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| 16:44.53 | blerakoo | hello |
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| 16:47.48 | blerakoo | hello? |
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| 16:49.16 | downey | blerakoo: Hello |
| 16:49.28 | downey | is it me you're looking for? |
| 16:49.31 | downey | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 16:49.37 | blerakoo | hmm? |
| 16:49.59 | downey | welcome :) |
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| 16:51.37 | blerakoo | do people talk in this IRC or just idle? |
| 16:52.20 | MatthewWilkes | blerakoo: It's more active when there's a programme running |
| 16:52.30 | blerakoo | such as? |
| 16:53.05 | MatthewWilkes | Google Code In or Google Summer of Code |
| 16:53.38 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: |
| 16:53.41 | blerakoo | so not until march/april then |
| 16:53.42 | |Kev| | Yuck |
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| 16:53.51 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Did you just yuck me? |
| 16:53.52 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Many days ago you highlighted me and I have no idea what for. |
| 16:54.03 | MatthewWilkes | I was probably greeting you |
| 16:54.03 | |Kev| | No, I yucked my mis-placed CRLF |
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| 16:59.46 | blerakoo | guess i'll re-join in a month or too |
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| 17:02.35 | magma | the list of organizations is yet available? |
| 17:03.07 | downey | magma: No, organizations haven't applied yet. |
| 17:03.09 | paultag | magma: application for orgs hasn't even happened yet |
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| 17:03.30 | magma | thanks |
| 17:03.50 | magma | do people from orgs come here to this channel? |
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| 17:04.24 | paultag | yes. |
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| 17:04.57 | magma | ok, I have to hangout more here then |
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| 17:53.21 | dbs | carols: quick report on the GSoC info session I gave last night at https://plus.google.com/115803993493374365281/posts/DF6w79W28e1 but I'll try to post more on the list |
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| 17:57.02 | carols | dbs: great, could you please email that to stephanie so she can post to the blog? |
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| 17:58.42 | dbs | carols: I'll get to that, probably tonight :) |
| 17:58.48 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 18:15.24 | ace_striker | hello everyone .. |
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| 18:15.32 | carols | hello ace_striker |
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| 18:16.59 | ace_striker | @carols: hi...can anyone tell me if firefox can use device bluetooth for transferring data..for other browser on the device. or tell me the correct irc channel which is active for this stuff..thanks. |
| 18:17.13 | carols | ace_striker: i'm not sure that's a gsoc related question? |
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| 18:17.56 | ace_striker | it's gsoc redirected.. |
| 18:18.12 | ace_striker | @carols: it's gsoc redirected.. |
| 18:18.34 | carols | ace_striker: okay, so you're looking to make this for a gsoc project? |
| 18:18.58 | ace_striker | proposal...yes |
| 18:19.19 | carols | ace_striker: cool, then I think the organization you're interested in working with would be the best one to ask your question of. |
| 18:19.23 | scorche|sh | ace_striker: you would be much better off speaking to the org themselves (in this case, i am guessing the firefox people?) |
| 18:20.13 | ace_striker | is there #firefox there dev channel too. |
| 18:20.15 | ace_striker | ? |
| 18:20.29 | carols | ace_striker: i don't know, why don't you ask? |
| 18:20.38 | Singhabhinavds | it must be mentioned in the firefox sit |
| 18:20.41 | Singhabhinavds | site* |
| 18:21.21 | olasd | ace_striker: https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC has all the info for mozilla-related IRC channels |
| 18:22.33 | ace_striker | thanks ..for the reply.. |
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| 18:49.05 | Singhabhinavds | !log |
| 18:49.06 | gsocbot | Singhabhinavds: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 18:49.17 | Singhabhinavds | whoami |
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| 18:52.16 | blast007 | Singhabhinavds: looking for this? http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:52.35 | Singhabhinavds | yup thanks |
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| 19:16.01 | Anid4u2c | hey! |
| 19:16.14 | Anid4u2c | What kind of project ideas are typical? |
| 19:16.26 | carols | Anid4u2c: it depends on the org. |
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| 19:16.43 | carols | they all post ideas pages to show you what kinds of projects they'd like to see. |
| 19:16.50 | Anid4u2c | I missed the info session yesterday at my university - Laurentian University |
| 19:16.59 | carols | oh well, it's ok. |
| 19:17.26 | Anid4u2c | Good to know... any links to the kinds of projects? posts? |
| 19:17.53 | carols | Anid4u2c: have you looked the org's home pages from last year? that would give you an idea. |
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| 19:18.39 | Anid4u2c | Our website has changed since last year - not fully functional, but I can check - brb |
| 19:19.03 | carols | ok |
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| 20:07.42 | woodpecker | how many of you have already started communicating with mentors |
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| 20:11.07 | woodpecker | anyone here who wants to chat |
| 20:11.09 | woodpecker | ??? |
| 20:11.14 | woodpecker | about gsoc |
| 20:11.32 | carols | woodpecker: sure, what would you like to chat about? |
| 20:11.32 | ashish | yaa we are here for that noly |
| 20:12.25 | woodpecker | carols : so you taking submitting ideas for this GSOC |
| 20:12.30 | carols | woodpecker: not yet. |
| 20:12.35 | carols | have you checked out the timeline? |
| 20:13.04 | woodpecker | yaa i have but don't you start contacting them early |
| 20:13.14 | paultag | not before there are mentors |
| 20:13.24 | woodpecker | so that mentors or the organisations get to kow you better |
| 20:13.27 | carols | woodpecker: sure, you're welcome to reach out generally to an open source organization you're interested in volunteering for. |
| 20:13.37 | carols | woodpecker: however, we haven't chosen orgs for this year's program |
| 20:14.18 | woodpecker | but some organisations will be chosen such as mozilla and kde |
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| 20:14.34 | carols | woodpecker: well, we don't know who's going to be chosen. |
| 20:14.38 | carols | no one's applied yet. |
| 20:15.49 | woodpecker | so can i assume that kde or any other prominent org will be chosen and start contacting them |
| 20:16.06 | woodpecker | coz i want to get in touch with them |
| 20:16.08 | paultag | sighs |
| 20:16.14 | paultag | woodpecker: dude, no one knows who's going to get in |
| 20:16.14 | carols | woodpecker: nope, you can't assume anyone will be chosen. however, you volunteering for open source is independent of all that. |
| 20:16.16 | paultag | not even carols |
| 20:16.21 | woodpecker | and know what they expect out of us |
| 20:16.31 | carols | woodpecker: you can go volunteer now for whomever you'd like. |
| 20:16.35 | carols | it would be a good experience. |
| 20:16.37 | carols | go do it :-) |
| 20:16.44 | carols | just do it independent of gsoc's structure |
| 20:17.14 | gevaerts | Some big names have missed out in the past, for various reasons |
| 20:17.30 | carols | no one's application is ever assured or not assured. |
| 20:17.40 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: Speaking as a prospective mentor, if you volunteer for an org, they don't get in, and I do, and you apply to us saying you've been working with KDE the FIRST thing I'd do is talk to the KDE mentors to see what you did. |
| 20:17.41 | carols | everyone has to apply and we review every app individually. |
| 20:17.42 | woodpecker | okay i get it |
| 20:18.04 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: Pick an org that you like, help them out. Either they get in or they can put in a good word for you elsewhere |
| 20:18.36 | paultag | tends to give existing contributors the benefit of the doubt in most cases |
| 20:19.05 | meflin | there is also no assurance that even a big name org will apply |
| 20:19.13 | MatthewWilkes | indeed, it's a lot of work |
| 20:19.16 | paultag | quite |
| 20:19.24 | woodpecker | @matthewwilkes : you ask guys from an organisation to give feedback about any particular applicant |
| 20:19.29 | meflin | I know last year tired me out quite a bit :) |
| 20:19.42 | carols | meflin: last year tired me out quite a bit too :-) |
| 20:19.52 | paultag | carols: you looked pretty wiped by the mentor's summit :) |
| 20:19.59 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: If that applicant says they have been working with a specific org then sure, I would |
| 20:20.08 | meflin | I would say I bit off more then I could chew .. but I just managed to chew it |
| 20:20.12 | carols | paultag: yep. |
| 20:20.41 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: It's a lot of fun, though! |
| 20:20.58 | MatthewWilkes | If Plone doesn't get in this year I might see if there is something I can do with the PSF |
| 20:20.58 | meflin | one of the most rewarding thing's I've ever done |
| 20:21.05 | woodpecker | @matthewwilkes : are you in Gsoc team you sound like you select applications |
| 20:21.11 | meflin | I have no regrets I just got tired |
| 20:21.22 | carols | you're very helpful MatthewWilkes :-) |
| 20:21.28 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: Applications are selected by the organisations they apply to. I work with Plone, not GSoC |
| 20:21.29 | meflin | org's select aplicants |
| 20:21.47 | carols | shudders at the idea of reviewing all those student applications |
| 20:22.00 | paultag | isn't looking forward to the modest amount we get in Debian |
| 20:22.01 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Nah, I'm a troll. I'm just building up right now… |
| 20:22.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: riiight |
| 20:22.33 | meflin | woodpecker: and each org does it there own way ... so there is no silver bullet |
| 20:22.52 | woodpecker | @mahhhewwilkes : it may sound weird to you but are you guys online most of the time in this channel |
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| 20:23.19 | carols | woodpecker: most of us are around to help you out depending on the time zones we live in. |
| 20:23.39 | meflin | I realy have to get a timer for my tea |
| 20:23.43 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: I have my IRC client configured never to disconnect, if I'm not at the computer my name is mwilkes|away but I'm still here |
| 20:23.46 | meflin | 12 min steep .. blech |
| 20:23.59 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: Arrgh, whyyyy? WHY? |
| 20:24.07 | MatthewWilkes | That's… obscene. |
| 20:24.12 | meflin | my kde tea timer doesn't notify anymore |
| 20:24.19 | meflin | so I keep forgetting |
| 20:24.43 | woodpecker | @carols @matthews : that is so cool its amazing |
| 20:24.54 | meflin | the lowest circle of hell is full of high quality tea brewed to death :( |
| 20:25.07 | carols | i don't know if i'd call it "amazing," but it is nice i suppose.. |
| 20:25.55 | woodpecker | @carosl @mattew : i m also confused about how to select an idea |
| 20:26.16 | carols | woodpecker: i would suggest you speak to the org about what they're looking for and they can un-confuse you. |
| 20:26.18 | meflin | find an idea you want to work on |
| 20:26.19 | woodpecker | i use linux (ubuntu) i see apps are not perfect |
| 20:26.31 | woodpecker | so can i go for making changes in that |
| 20:26.43 | meflin | good start |
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| 20:27.57 | ashish | fgfg |
| 20:28.21 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: Yeah, definitely speak to organisations. They can tell you who is generally in charge of their GSoC applications and they will be able to talk to you about your interests and skills, and the kind of things that you could do with them |
| 20:28.42 | woodpecker | okay i get it |
| 20:30.02 | woodpecker | @matthew : and how am i supposed to contact them email or through irc |
| 20:30.19 | woodpecker | and you are also from an organisation |
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| 20:30.38 | carols | woodpecker: whatever their preferred method of communication is. it's probably listed on their homepage/community page. |
| 20:30.52 | woodpecker | what kind of skills you would expect out of us |
| 20:31.26 | carols | woodpecker: i don't expect anything, but the organization will. so speak to them about it. |
| 20:31.59 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: It depends on the idea and the org. Here's the first draft of our ideas page: https://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2013/ideas-list |
| 20:32.17 | MatthewWilkes | woodpecker: Notice each idea has some skills listed that the applicant will need to be successful |
| 20:32.22 | carols | MatthewWilkes: it's accessible to the public this year, that's great :-P |
| 20:32.36 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Shussh! |
| 20:32.38 | paultag | different projects sometimes require different lagnuages |
| 20:32.39 | carols | :-D |
| 20:32.49 | MatthewWilkes | carols: No looking! It's not for the likes of you yet! |
| 20:33.00 | carols | hides eyes |
| 20:33.44 | woodpecker | okay it was nice talking to you all i come back soon |
| 20:34.00 | carols | woodpecker: it was nice talking to you as well. good luck! |
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| 20:54.07 | d3f3kt | hey |
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| 20:59.53 | d3f3kt | everybody afk? |
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| 21:00.17 | meflin | nope |
| 21:00.19 | meflin | just ask |
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| 21:01.14 | d3f3kt | i only wanted to ask if you had to study @university to participate in gosc |
| 21:01.38 | meflin | yea ... see the faq |
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| 21:02.10 | d3f3kt | yes i read it, but watch this picture http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tzCXEGOCsMQ/UQgflJP5WgI/AAAAAAAAAIE/paIoEpSDAcE/s1600/GCI+2012+Age.png |
| 21:02.35 | d3f3kt | i cant imagine that you are study with 13 |
| 21:02.55 | meflin | code-in is a different project |
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| 21:03.16 | meflin | code-in=high school, gsoc = university |
| 21:03.21 | Singhabhinavds | i think code-in for ppl less than 18 |
| 21:03.39 | Singhabhinavds | Gsoc for above 18 |
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| 21:04.05 | d3f3kt | ah oke, thanks for your help |
| 21:04.17 | Singhabhinavds | Though i will have to confirm about code-in |
| 21:04.21 | Singhabhinavds | Np |
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| 21:05.15 | d3f3kt | argh code in ran from nov 2012 to jan 2013 :/ |
| 21:05.50 | Singhabhinavds | Yup timings are different |
| 21:08.23 | d3f3kt | such easy asks .. |
| 21:08.31 | d3f3kt | s/asks/tasks |
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| 21:09.29 | meflin | GSOC is a lot harder |
| 21:10.55 | d3f3kt | but its quite impossible that google would make an exception. that a high school student can participate |
| 21:11.26 | meflin | I can't speek for the google .... but I think they will not |
| 21:11.46 | paultag | (I know a few Debian contributors who I'd gladly mentor for GSoC who were in High school with @debian.org addresses) |
| 21:11.48 | meflin | the rules are quite clear |
| 21:11.52 | paultag | but yes, this is not the norm. |
| 21:11.55 | d3f3kt | have the every made an exception? |
| 21:12.11 | meflin | not to my knowledge |
| 21:13.04 | Singhabhinavds | It is not easy to make exceptions for anyone :/ |
| 21:13.04 | gary_b | if your 18 and in hs arnt you eligible? |
| 21:13.26 | d3f3kt | im still 17 ;) |
| 21:13.29 | Singhabhinavds | U are i think |
| 21:13.57 | gary_b | when will you be 18? |
| 21:14.00 | Singhabhinavds | Bah i will have to read thr FAQ thoroughly! |
| 21:14.08 | gary_b | indeed |
| 21:14.16 | d3f3kt | next year |
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| 21:16.05 | d3f3kt | but next year i'm still in hs |
| 21:16.13 | d3f3kt | so i have to wait 2 years |
| 21:17.23 | meflin | so watch for code-in |
| 21:17.56 | d3f3kt | i will ;) |
| 21:17.56 | meflin | altho its never to early to join a continuity and work on a project for GSOC :D |
| 21:18.27 | d3f3kt | i think i will try to become a debian contributor |
| 21:19.17 | meflin | I like that attitude |
| 21:19.43 | d3f3kt | the first steps will be the hardest :D |
| 21:20.36 | meflin | remember 2 things , communities are(often) large and diverse, and dont give up keep helping |
| 21:21.27 | d3f3kt | the big question is which project is the best for you |
| 21:21.38 | meflin | it is |
| 21:21.51 | d3f3kt | and im not sure if i should chose debian, php or what ever |
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| 22:13.05 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 22:13.52 | meflin | I hope thats better then my bad tea |
| 22:13.55 | downey | mmm, tea |
| 22:13.56 | meflin | slurp |
| 22:13.58 | meflin | yep |
| 22:14.05 | downey | passes the crumpets |
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| 22:18.05 | Munchor | backup admins need to be >= 18? |
| 22:18.19 | paultag | mentors and admins have to be >= this year |
| 22:18.22 | paultag | I think |
| 22:18.29 | paultag | someone feel free to correct me here |
| 22:18.39 | carols | yes, mentors and org admins must be at least 18 years old. |
| 22:19.33 | meflin | I understand this new rule .. but I wonder when I will grow up |
| 22:19.46 | carols | if it's like me, then never |
| 22:19.55 | meflin | I hope not ::) |
| 22:19.59 | meflin | 40+ |
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| 22:21.28 | meflin | so I assume next year there will not be a new rule "must be a grown up" |
| 22:21.38 | paultag | couldn't participate |
| 22:22.16 | meflin | it would be hard to watch my hair whiten and pout about how I'm not old enough |
| 22:25.05 | Munchor | Is there some place I can go to write in a long long post that I'm againts mentors and admins having to be over 18? |
| 22:25.17 | Munchor | I undertsand why you'd recommend them to be over 18 |
| 22:25.25 | Munchor | But not force |
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| 22:25.34 | meflin | your blog? // web sight |
| 22:25.40 | Munchor | heh |
| 22:25.49 | Munchor | I'm afraid my blog won't really reach the audience I need |
| 22:26.05 | meflin | mentors email list? |
| 22:26.16 | Munchor | oh yeah email list, I'll try that meflin |
| 22:26.20 | Munchor | thanks |
| 22:26.29 | meflin | I'm interested |
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| 22:27.14 | meflin | I've hearded cats of in uni mentors and those all went well |
| 22:27.50 | meflin | admin is a lot harder ... but possible |
| 22:28.02 | ChrisOelmueller | i've been doing that for two years now |
| 22:28.18 | meflin | define "that" |
| 22:28.40 | ChrisOelmueller | org admin while in university |
| 22:29.02 | meflin | while under 18? |
| 22:29.35 | ChrisOelmueller | not both times, no. first year only |
| 22:30.17 | Munchor | I'm 17 years old and I'm an elementary OS developer, I'm in last year of high school and we're planning for GSoC this year. I was actually the one who said "I'm gonna be the admin, no problem", but it then turned out I couldn't be the admin, because I'm not 18 years old and I was like "Fine, no problem, I can be backup admin or mentor, and somebody else will rise up for admin." But now it seems I can't eit |
| 22:30.17 | Munchor | her be mentor or backup admin, so I'm left with having to help without any "title", which is just fine, the problem is lack of people to be mentors for our project and even a backup admin. As a 17 year old, I consider myself mature enough for the challenge, read all the FAQs, ran some investigation and I think that other under 18s could be perfectly fit for the job, even if not the majority of them. From m |
| 22:30.17 | Munchor | y point of view, it's a bit frustrating and surprising too. |
| 22:30.26 | meflin | my past students who became mentors .... I can see |
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| 22:30.33 | Munchor | And I will be 18, but only in October |
| 22:32.09 | meflin | Munchor: has your project previous done gsoc? |
| 22:32.29 | Munchor | nopes, it's a first timer |
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| 22:34.01 | meflin | running gsocis hard |
| 22:34.31 | Munchor | yeah, like I said I understand why admins can't be over 18 |
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| 22:34.58 | Munchor | And we have a native-English American leader up for it, which would probably do the job much better than me |
| 22:35.05 | Munchor | But from all I read about being a mentor |
| 22:35.14 | Munchor | I find it odd |
| 22:35.20 | meflin | odd? |
| 22:35.30 | meflin | have you ever mentored a person |
| 22:36.18 | Munchor | Never formally and in such a way, but I have helped people through a long period of time with programming, I taught many people to program. |
| 22:36.39 | Munchor | And I mentored many newcomer developers on elementary OS. |
| 22:36.54 | meflin | that sounds like yess to me |
| 22:37.18 | MatthewWilkes | Lots of things have age limits, like driving for example. Lots of people under the age would be able to drive and lots above wouldn't. It's a pareto rule situation. I imagine something similar happened here, perhaps with some intervention from the legal department as the students are technically working for google and having a line manager under 18 might cause them to get antsy |
| 22:37.36 | Munchor | Everybody is just telling me to say that I am 18 years old, that as a mentor nobody would really care |
| 22:37.56 | meflin | age limits are arbitrary , I would have blow chunks at this in 30's |
| 22:37.59 | Munchor | But I would rather try and help other people in the same situation as mine |
| 22:38.27 | meflin | you dont need officialese if you can help people tho |
| 22:38.40 | MatthewWilkes | Munchor: At this stage it's too late to change the rules, I bet. That's never happened in the past. |
| 22:39.19 | meflin | MatthewWilkes: is right chill and do what you can for your org |
| 22:39.47 | meflin | also look for who else you can help |
| 22:40.38 | gevaerts | I bet the channel is full of people who wouldn't mind mentoring for you, especially if you promise them the mentor summit ticket :) |
| 22:40.50 | ChrisOelmueller | heh, indeed |
| 22:41.03 | meflin | hey hey no bribees |
| 22:41.10 | Munchor | hahah |
| 22:41.17 | ChrisOelmueller | as first-time org you do want several mentors (and folks suitable as admin) around in any case, so if one of them takes on two students officially while you're the actual mentor, that should be fine for all parties involved |
| 22:41.17 | gevaerts | starts chanting "Me! Me!" |
| 22:41.44 | ChrisOelmueller | that's not an official statement of course |
| 22:42.15 | gevaerts | decides to clarify that he's not really trying to get into orgs just for the mentor summit ticket |
| 22:42.22 | Munchor | The whole reason we're going to apply for GSoC is because we need manpower. We're like 6 or 7 developers (only a couple of us are willing to mentor, though) making an OS that's being used by dozens of thousands of people. |
| 22:42.48 | MatthewWilkes | Munchor: I hope you realise that mentoring GSoC will probably *decrease* your productivity during the programme |
| 22:43.14 | MatthewWilkes | Munchor: You might get new contributors after, but as a a new org you'd be limited to max 2 students anyway (if it's like last year) |
| 22:43.18 | Munchor | That's alright, the plan is to encourage the developers to stay with us |
| 22:44.16 | meflin | good plan IMO |
| 22:46.29 | Munchor | The only problem with me mentoring and being under 18 is that I'll obviously be inactive for like 2 straight weeks in August or something, but I guess that happens with >18s too. |
| 22:47.13 | meflin | mentors are all call every day |
| 22:47.44 | meflin | being a mentor means you are "the man" ( even if you are a woman ) |
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| 22:49.10 | mmadia | though, some projects encourage the students to engage a public mailing list, instead of privately emailing one or two mentors. One benefit, is that this allows other mentors (or knowledgable people) to help mentor as needed. |
| 22:50.54 | summatusmentis | when I was a GSoC student, the other members of the community were very helpful |
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