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| 17:08.02 | binaryking | hey |
| 17:08.12 | binaryking | is there any particular time |
| 17:08.23 | binaryking | as to when the orgs will be anounced? |
| 17:09.00 | Arc | i was wondering the same |
| 17:09.20 | summatusmentis | orgs for what? |
| 17:09.24 | Arc | google code-in |
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| 17:09.32 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 17:09.38 | Arc | i wonder how many orgs applied this year.. |
| 17:09.54 | binaryking | i guess - more than 15 |
| 17:09.56 | binaryking | :) |
| 17:10.09 | Arc | why more than 15? |
| 17:10.30 | summatusmentis | you have to consider that it's barely 9am in Mountain View |
| 17:10.40 | binaryking | just a random guess :P |
| 17:10.58 | binaryking | hmmm |
| 17:11.08 | Arc | can we play it like "Price is Right", try to guess as close to the number as possible /without going over/ |
| 17:11.30 | summatusmentis | assuming Google employees start at 8, I would guess it won't happen for a few hours at the very least |
| 17:11.42 | summatusmentis | (not a Google employee, not actually familiar with the process) |
| 17:11.47 | binaryking | :( |
| 17:12.05 | Arc | they've had a week, I think they've made up their minds already, its just an issue of releasing the list |
| 17:12.20 | Arc | its not gsoc where they have hundreds of applications to go through |
| 17:12.42 | JordiGH | Google gives me the impression of starting at 9. |
| 17:13.11 | Arc | its also veterans day |
| 17:13.24 | binaryking | Arc: well, Google is a huge org, it has much gr8 work than just GCI :D |
| 17:13.25 | summatusmentis | well, even if they've decided, I expect they do a once-over and things before publishing it |
| 17:13.44 | summatusmentis | it's the Open Source Programs office that manages GCI |
| 17:13.58 | Arc | binaryking: but there's a small group within google focused on gsoc/gci. we've met them in person at the mentors summits |
| 17:14.20 | Arc | stephanie specifically manages gci, im assuming she alone makes the final org decision |
| 17:14.33 | binaryking | Arc: r u a mentor, too? |
| 17:14.58 | Arc | yes since 2005, and was org admin of Python for 5 years |
| 17:15.58 | binaryking | oh pysoy |
| 17:15.58 | binaryking | :D |
| 17:16.22 | Arc | yea im pysoy's maintainer |
| 17:16.37 | rajul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.06 | Arc | rajul: you generally need to be involved with a project that's under GCI |
| 17:18.03 | rajul | Arc: okay....but I think it is now too late to do that!! |
| 17:18.12 | Arc | yea pretty much |
| 17:18.12 | binaryking | yes |
| 17:18.53 | Arc | binaryking: who are you a mentor with? |
| 17:18.57 | rajul | Arc: binaryking : right...i participated in GSoC this year... |
| 17:19.10 | rajul | with the organisation Network Time... |
| 17:19.17 | Arc | we have two gsoc students from this last year as gci mentors |
| 17:19.26 | rajul | but i doubt they will apply for Code-in |
| 17:19.54 | Arc | GCI is a different animal for sure, I think it works better for some projects over others |
| 17:20.19 | rajul | Arc: right... |
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| 17:20.55 | Arc | especially now that gci doesnt include payments for students, the projects need to be "sexy" to attract students |
| 17:21.07 | Arc | media players, applications in general, games |
| 17:21.12 | rajul | Arc: is it possible i can try my hands on some project and maybe pick on it in like this remaining time of two weeks... |
| 17:21.22 | rajul | before the actual coding starts... |
| 17:21.48 | rajul | Arc: yeah right...and they are easier to hack into too... |
| 17:22.11 | rajul | like they have too many things....one can always find something worthy of him... |
| 17:22.17 | Arc | rajul: its possible, depends on your dedication and the project. we all have different policies |
| 17:22.48 | Arc | personally, we give hg push access to just about anyone, but i'd really want to know a developer for more than 2 weeks before entrusting them with mentoring |
| 17:23.14 | rajul | Arc: right....i understand!! |
| 17:24.05 | rajul | Arc: but if i start now..i can always apply next year!! |
| 17:24.37 | Arc | absolutely, or gsoc mentoring too |
| 17:25.18 | rajul | Arc: yeah...right!! |
| 17:25.58 | Arc | for us, GHOP/GCI has always been more valuable than gsoc. we've had some amazing gsoc students, don't get me wrong, and several have become core devs, and a lot of gci students just float through and we never see them again, but there's been quite a few amazing gci students. |
| 17:26.28 | Arc | we had a ghop student who came in, took up some easy tasks that he needed help with, and then suddenly started eating up the hard ones, and asking for more |
| 17:26.28 | JordiGH | I'm still sad one of my GSoC students got swallowed by MSFT. ;_; |
| 17:26.38 | JordiGH | We will never see him again. |
| 17:26.45 | JordiGH | He's been borged. |
| 17:26.53 | JordiGH | RESISTANCE IS FUTILE |
| 17:26.56 | Arc | within 2 weeks he finished one of our failed gsoc student's projects that was less than half done |
| 17:27.01 | rajul | Arc: hmm....sounds awesome!! |
| 17:27.07 | JordiGH | Arc Riley? |
| 17:27.14 | Arc | JordiGH: yea? |
| 17:27.21 | JordiGH | Ah, just wanted to know if that was you. |
| 17:27.34 | JordiGH | I don't think I've seen you around here before. |
| 17:27.40 | rajul | JordiGH: sorry for you man!! |
| 17:27.54 | Arc | ive been a lurker lol |
| 17:27.56 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 17:28.20 | Arc | how do you know me? the mentors summit? |
| 17:28.28 | JordiGH | No, we flamed over the Debian packaging, remember/ |
| 17:28.29 | JordiGH | ? |
| 17:28.35 | JordiGH | And then yeah, we met again at the summit. |
| 17:29.11 | Arc | i actually don't remember that, but i got a second degree concussion and could barely speak for a few weeks |
| 17:29.25 | Arc | im assuming this was about agplv3 on debian-legal? |
| 17:30.55 | JordiGH | Hey, good, you do remember! |
| 17:31.04 | JordiGH | My gf just got a concussion, no long term memory loss... |
| 17:31.17 | Arc | well I haven't had many discussions about debian.. |
| 17:31.50 | Arc | there's different degrees. ive had many concussions but this one, i couldn't form complete sentences or make a connection about even really simple words |
| 17:32.07 | JordiGH | Could you write but not speak? |
| 17:32.09 | JordiGH | Or neither? |
| 17:32.15 | denials | tries to imagine a positive flamewar: "Debian packaging is *awesome*" "No way dude, it's more awesome than awesome!" |
| 17:32.32 | Arc | i had a friend help me type |
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| 17:32.44 | JordiGH | At the time, Debian wasn't sure about AGPLv3, but it's now approved. \o/ |
| 17:32.48 | JordiGH | <3 AGPLv3. |
| 17:33.07 | Arc | as i remember a lot of my emails were "please take us out of this conversation" lol |
| 17:33.16 | denials | hah |
| 17:33.20 | Arc | that was a thread from hell, over 200 messages within days |
| 17:33.27 | JordiGH | lol Debian |
| 17:38.38 | Arc | im glad AGPLv3 did get accepted in the end. it doesn't affect us in the least |
| 17:39.38 | Arc | im actually working to get the first release for a project thats licensed under the agplv3 right now |
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| 17:54.30 | spectei | !next |
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| 17:54.55 | spectei | hey allman ! |
| 17:55.07 | allman | Morning all. |
| 17:55.16 | allman | ;0 |
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| 17:55.36 | spectei | :) |
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| 17:58.31 | Arc | allman: its gunna be a great winter :-) |
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| 17:59.48 | allman | Yes it is! |
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| 18:00.42 | spectei | aye |
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| 19:52.57 | conor_f | What is the deal with registration? |
| 19:53.08 | allman | for what? |
| 19:53.26 | conor_f | I have registered on the google-melange site, but I keep hearing things about parental consent forms and proof of enrollment or something? |
| 19:53.30 | conor_f | Google Code-In |
| 19:53.39 | allman | ah :) |
| 19:53.52 | allman | Did you read the FAQ? |
| 19:54.42 | conor_f | yers |
| 19:54.43 | conor_f | *yes |
| 19:54.48 | conor_f | And just double-checked there |
| 19:54.56 | conor_f | nothing about registration on the FAQ |
| 19:55.13 | allman | let me take a look. Back in a few. |
| 19:55.17 | conor_f | no |
| 19:55.18 | conor_f | never mind |
| 19:55.21 | spectei | ". You will need to attach your signed parental consent form and proof of enrollment in a pre-university program *before* your Melange Profile is complete." |
| 19:55.23 | conor_f | I spoke too soon :P |
| 19:55.43 | spectei | it suggests that you do this while filling out your profile |
| 19:55.43 | allman | ah - no worries! |
| 19:56.03 | spectei | conor_f, you're from Gaillimh ? |
| 19:56.28 | conor_f | spectei: sea, conaim i nGaillimh? agus tusa? :P |
| 19:56.39 | spectei | conor_f, :D |
| 19:56.42 | conor_f | Thank you allman for looking though :P |
| 19:56.44 | spectei | conor_f, unfortuntely i don't speak irish |
| 19:56.46 | spectei | but ! |
| 19:56.54 | spectei | conor_f, we are looking for irish speakers in our organisation |
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| 20:45.34 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com/ Google Code-In announced. Check the timeline: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/events/google/gci2012 and the FAQs: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2012/help_page |
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| 21:34.20 | MegaAlexch0 | any GCI staff here? |
| 21:35.09 | allman | hi |
| 21:35.34 | MegaAlexch0 | heya |
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| 21:38.39 | allman | did you have a question? |
| 21:39.29 | MegaAlexch0 | I do, yeah, but cannot find a contact email |
| 21:40.07 | allman | you could ask me the question here, or email sttaylor@google.com. |
| 21:44.20 | MegaAlexch0 | ok, thanks :) |
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| 21:56.53 | theDrumm | allman, We have someone new running it this year hmm? |
| 21:57.01 | theDrumm | It was er.. carols last year. |
| 21:59.55 | allman | yes. Stephanie Taylor is managing the program this year. |
| 22:00.18 | allman | She's terrific and will do her usual great job :) |
| 22:01.15 | theDrumm | Awesome. What's your involvement allman? |
| 22:02.00 | allman | Carol, Stephanie and I all work together here at Google. I help out with GCI as needed. |
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| 22:03.12 | theDrumm | Awesome. What's it like to work at Google? |
| 22:03.37 | JordiGH | Sunshines and rainbows and chocolate ALL DAY LONG |
| 22:03.40 | JordiGH | and hacking and stuff |
| 22:04.42 | allman | It's AWESOME! I love my job :) I get to work with super smart people in support of FOSS. I spend most of my time working on grants to projects, sponsoring 100+ community-led events every year, managing the team budget, plus other stuff. |
| 22:04.58 | JordiGH | See? |
| 22:04.59 | JordiGH | Told ya. |
| 22:05.06 | JordiGH | Except I guess allman doesn't actually hack. |
| 22:05.32 | JordiGH | Well, she might hack non-software things. |
| 22:05.33 | theDrumm | JordiGH, He can't admit to it in a public channel like that! Don't be silly ;P |
| 22:05.46 | JordiGH | Eh? I admit I hack. I love hacking. :-) |
| 22:05.50 | JordiGH | is a happy hacker. |
| 22:05.51 | theDrumm | allman, Sounds awesome. Always been a big fan of Google, would be very cool to work my way up eventually. |
| 22:06.02 | allman | true. I'm an example of getting stuff done without coding. |
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| 22:06.17 | theDrumm | How's that allman? |
| 22:06.40 | JordiGH | theDrumm: "Hacking" doesn't mean "breaking security". |
| 22:06.54 | allman | Though I used to be an IT manager in a former life, can fix damaged Postscript code, do minor hardware repairs - stuff like that :) |
| 22:07.03 | Darriel | Hey y'all :) |
| 22:07.06 | JordiGH | theDrumm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28programmer_subculture%29 |
| 22:07.32 | theDrumm | I know of the programmer subculture. :P |
| 22:07.55 | JordiGH | Do you? You seem to think hacking something to be ashamed of. |
| 22:08.01 | allman | theDrumm: Google is a very fun place to work. |
| 22:08.08 | zfe | yep |
| 22:08.13 | zfe | they have colorful bicycles |
| 22:08.19 | zfe | even though security forbid me to take one :( |
| 22:08.43 | theDrumm | I do. But generally speaking, "Hacking" is security related. Whether or not it's breaking security :p |
| 22:08.46 | allman | And JordiGH is correct - "hacking" is much more that "just" code. |
| 22:09.09 | JordiGH | theDrumm: No, it's not generally related. "Hacker news" doesn't mean "security breaking news". |
| 22:09.16 | JordiGH | http://news.ycombinator.com/ |
| 22:09.21 | allman | Thank you for not stealing a Google bike! There are never enough and the MTV campus is huge now, so we need them. |
| 22:09.33 | theDrumm | Hacker news is news that is relevant to hackers, as I see it anyways. |
| 22:09.34 | zfe | i never wanted to steal one |
| 22:09.39 | zfe | i wanted to ride one for a few minutes :( |
| 22:10.02 | allman | ah - sorry I jumped to the wrong conclusion! |
| 22:10.07 | JordiGH | theDrumm: Yeah, hackers are not security breakers. The media deformed the word in the 80's to mean "security breaker", but the hackers are much older than that. |
| 22:10.17 | theDrumm | Thinking badly of us allman :/ I'm hurt :p |
| 22:10.19 | JordiGH | Facebook's decor isn't about security breaking either: http://jonsteinberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/hack.jpeg |
| 22:10.38 | theDrumm | JordiGH, I know the history. Hacking came from the people who stayed up on computers all night "hacking" at the keyboard :) |
| 22:10.49 | allman | I spent the weekend at the 28th annual " Hackers Conference" |
| 22:11.06 | allman | don't be hurt :( |
| 22:11.07 | theDrumm | Though there's a hobby train company which claims responsibility for coining the term "Hacking" |
| 22:11.13 | theDrumm | allman, was sarcasm d/w :) |
| 22:11.35 | theDrumm | allman, I've always wanted to visit DefCon if I ever make it to the states. |
| 22:11.38 | allman | sarcasm on IRC - I'm astonished! ;-) |
| 22:12.15 | denials | allman++ |
| 22:12.32 | allman | I've never been to DefCon - security has never been my area, and I'm not a fan of huge cons. Too hard to find the people you want to talk with. |
| 22:12.50 | theDrumm | Is "Hackers Conference" not a Con? |
| 22:13.05 | theDrumm | I'm a programmer, as a result of security. |
| 22:13.38 | theDrumm | I'd love to work as a Pentester tbh. Play some hackathons. Would be awesome. |
| 22:13.40 | JordiGH | theDrumm: Actually, hackers probably started doing non-software. The MIT/Harvard university pranks were called "hacks", and they were unrelated to computers. |
| 22:13.50 | Catfish_Man | defcon always struck me as a place you bring a physical pen and paper notebook to, and leave the computers behind... (or get a disposable netbook and bring that, then throw it away, but I'd still be suspicious) |
| 22:13.50 | allman | It's more of an "un-con". 250 people tops, invite-only, all sorts of computer people, lots of hands-on "maker" demos. |
| 22:14.23 | theDrumm | JordiGH, Never hard of the pranks? |
| 22:14.38 | allman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hackers_Conference |
| 22:14.44 | JordiGH | Looks like they document the MIT hacks: http://hacks.mit.edu/ |
| 22:15.01 | theDrumm | Catfish_Man, I've heard of the Hak5 crew having coding sessions there. |
| 22:15.30 | Catfish_Man | theDrumm: I'm sure many people are doing programming at defcon, I just don't trust my security enough to be at all comfortable using a machine I used there for anything sensitive later |
| 22:16.47 | allman | I got to hang out with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Felsenstein, Bill Cheswick, Matt Blaze, people like that. |
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| 22:17.46 | theDrumm | Catfish_Man, If you're careful, I wouldn't worry too much :p |
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| 22:56.55 | Nightrose | anyone from the melange team around? |
| 22:57.15 | Nightrose | i am trying to accept my admin invite but i get an error message |
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| 23:02.35 | JainAmber | Nightrose, you might also want to try #melange |
| 23:02.49 | Nightrose | JainAmber: jep - thx |
| 23:03.40 | kblin | Nightrose: GCI on? |
| 23:03.45 | Nightrose | kblin: on! |
| 23:03.52 | kblin | sweet, have fun |
| 23:03.58 | Nightrose | kblin: or rather on as soon as melange loves me again |
| 23:04.00 | Nightrose | :) thx |
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| 23:24.38 | DrJoel | hi.. everyone's asleep over on #melange.. hoping someone can answer a quick question |
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| 23:25.20 | DrJoel | I completed the RTEMS profile about 2 hours ago and it isn't showing up yet as an org. But it isn't asking me to fill it in any longer. Any ideas? |
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| 23:36.27 | allman | DrJoel - email Stephanie directly. |
| 23:37.54 | DrJoel | Thanks Cat .. CS woke up and is checking into it. Maybe he went to dinner or something :) |
| 23:37.57 | allman | please :) |
| 23:37.58 | DrJoel | Great book! |
| 23:38.15 | allman | oh - glad you like it! |
| 23:38.27 | allman | took me a minute ;-0 |
| 23:39.15 | madrazr | DrJoel: I haven't had the time for lunch yet ;-) |
| 23:40.14 | madrazr | says Hi to allman :) |
| 23:40.31 | allman | hi back :) |
| 23:40.36 | madrazr | :) |
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| 23:42.25 | DrJoel | madrazr, needs to eat.. not good :( |
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| 23:43.43 | madrazr | DrJoel: thanks for the concern! will go soon :) |
| 23:46.29 | allman | ttfn. |
