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| 00:39.44 | tomasp | hi all, could anybody help me with filling the midterm mentor reports (well, I can fill that myself, but I'm not able to find the form for it!) |
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| 00:40.22 | agliodbs | tomasp: go to your dashboard on Melange |
| 00:41.58 | tomasp | agliodbs: that's what I'm trying to do, but when I login, there is no dashboard... (and I'm almost sure I tried all my gmail accounts already) |
| 00:42.25 | agliodbs | and there's no link to a dashboard on the left-hand side? |
| 00:42.51 | agliodbs | wanna post a screenshot? |
| 00:45.28 | tomasp | agliodbs: screenshot is here http://tomasp.net/screen.png .. if I scroll down, it even shows "Register" button below "mentors: apply now" sign |
| 00:48.20 | agliodbs | yeah, so you're not logged in |
| 00:48.31 | Fatbag | He's logged in, since there's a "Log out" link |
| 00:48.42 | Fatbag | But it doesn't recognize that he has any projects. (Probably because it's the wrong account?) |
| 00:48.50 | agliodbs | likely |
| 00:49.23 | tomasp | yes, that's what I was thinking.. (wrong account) |
| 00:49.31 | tomasp | maybe I have another one.. hmm |
| 00:50.31 | tomasp | no, that's also not the right one |
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| 00:53.26 | tomasp | does GSoC have any tech support email address :-) ? |
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| 00:54.11 | SukhE | tomasp: #melange |
| 00:55.27 | ojwb | tomasp: did you change your gmail account from @googlemail.com to @gmail.com recently? |
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| 00:55.57 | ojwb | that confuses melange AIUI, but #melange should be able to fix it for you if that's the cause |
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| 00:57.12 | tomasp | ojwb: I don't think I had @googlemail address before... hm, I'll check in #melange, thanks |
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| 01:05.37 | tomasp | sorry for me being a complete irc noob, but how do I find who is the right person to ask on #melange? |
| 01:06.06 | Fatbag | Um, ask for Carol maybe |
| 01:06.06 | Catfish_Man | generally speaking you don't ask specific people on irc |
| 01:07.09 | tomasp | @Catfish_Man: Yes, I sent a message to the channel, but no reply so far... (and the welcome message says "Ask someone with op or voice" - so that confused me |
| 01:08.03 | Catfish_Man | ah ok. Sounds like they have different policies then |
| 01:08.24 | ojwb | tomasp: they are mostly in europe I think, so you may need to wait a few hours |
| 01:09.32 | tomasp | ojwb: that's a bad excuse! i'm in europe too... well, I'll try it in the morning then... (thanks for the help so far) |
| 01:10.17 | ojwb | you should be able to get your org admin to fill in the survey on your behalf if you can't resolve the login issue in time |
| 01:10.26 | ojwb | unless you are the only org admin... |
| 01:10.41 | tomasp | ojwb: no, luckily i'm not :-) thanks for the tip |
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| 06:11.24 | robertwb | Anyone here able to answer issues with the midterm evaluation? |
| 06:11.57 | ojwb | robertwb: depends on the issues... |
| 06:12.21 | robertwb | I'm trying to evaluate my student, and I'm getting "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." when I click on the link sent to me. |
| 06:12.59 | robertwb | I think there's some weirdness because I have a link_id robertwb0 and robertwb associated with this email address. |
| 06:13.34 | ojwb | you probably want to ask on #melange |
| 06:13.50 | robertwb | OK, I'll hop over there. |
| 06:14.00 | robertwb | What to do if I can't respond due to technical issues? |
| 06:14.14 | ojwb | your org admin(s) can also fill it in |
| 06:14.29 | ojwb | unless you're the sole admin for your org |
| 06:14.52 | robertwb | Nope, I'll do that. I assume it's the same survey that was emailed out, right? |
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| 06:15.10 | ojwb | you have a bit over 12 hours still at least |
| 06:15.25 | ojwb | I imagine so, but I didn't look at the email version |
| 06:15.39 | ojwb | it doesn't change much between years |
| 06:16.05 | robertwb | Yeah, this is my 4th or 5th year, I just don't want to fail the student on a technical glitch... |
| 06:17.15 | ojwb | orgs get penalised for late evals too this year |
| 06:17.33 | ojwb | i think that's always been sort of true, but it's a bit more formalised this year |
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| 06:18.34 | robertwb | That'll give motivation for my org admin to not dally if I have to file it through him :). |
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| 11:45.50 | Kiryx | Hi |
| 11:46.12 | Kiryx | Did anyone successfully purchased anything on Steam with the prepaid card ? |
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| 11:52.33 | Calcs88 | who can come to the gsoc summit? |
| 11:52.46 | Calcs88 | it says "Representatives from each successfully participating organization" |
| 11:52.53 | Calcs88 | can students come or just mentors? |
| 11:53.31 | ChrisOelmueller | if you refer to the mentor summit, it's for mentors |
| 11:54.38 | Calcs88 | eh ;( |
| 11:55.08 | Calcs88 | that is lame, so what if I as student wanted to go there? |
| 11:55.33 | Calcs88 | or maybe our mentor can't go and he wants me to go instead to represent the project? |
| 11:56.06 | gevaerts | The point of the mentor summit is to have mentors exchange experiences |
| 11:56.17 | gevaerts | If you're not a mentor, by definition you can't do that |
| 11:56.46 | Calcs88 | can I put a beard on and pretend I am a mentor :) ? |
| 11:57.01 | ChrisOelmueller | only gevaerts is allowed to do that! |
| 11:57.05 | aleek | xD |
| 11:57.13 | ChrisOelmueller | (and nobody noticed so far) |
| 11:57.33 | gevaerts | ChrisOelmueller: I can categorically deny that |
| 11:57.40 | gevaerts | *many* people have noticed my beard |
| 11:57.41 | |Kev| | Who said that? |
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| 12:23.11 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Nobody noticed that it's fake and you're actually an 18 year old engineering student |
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| 12:30.41 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: ah, yes, that could be possible |
| 12:31.02 | thebolt | being a mentor does not neccesarily imply age :P |
| 12:31.03 | gevaerts | And the worst part is, I've been getting away with it for fifteen years! |
| 12:31.37 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Nope, that was a specific to this case |
| 12:32.00 | thebolt | all four years i mentored (and went to the summit) i was younger or same age as my student.. and the year(s) dimitrti (sp?) mentored he definitley was :P |
| 12:32.14 | thebolt | however, yea, its for mentors and admins, not general people :P |
| 12:33.09 | thebolt | wish i could go again though, it is an awesome meeting :P |
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| 15:14.03 | rihen | hello |
| 15:14.27 | carols | hi rihen |
| 15:15.06 | rihen | folk :) can i register for gsoc now |
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| 15:15.49 | rihen | i know the registration for 2012 is finished |
| 15:15.55 | rihen | i am a newbiee |
| 15:15.58 | rihen | ? |
| 15:16.09 | carols | rihen: no, you can't. as you said, registration is finished. |
| 15:16.48 | rihen | so now i hav to wait for 2013 |
| 15:17.10 | rihen | which will start on feb 2013 |
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| 15:17.42 | carols | rihen: we haven't decided if we'll be doing gsoc for 2013 yet. |
| 15:17.49 | carols | you'll just have to wait and see. |
| 15:18.24 | rihen | ohh why is it so doubtfull about gsoc 2013 |
| 15:18.30 | carols | rihen: it always is. |
| 15:18.33 | carols | every year. |
| 15:18.47 | carols | we never know if we'll be doing it until we know. |
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| 15:21.21 | rihen | thank you :) may i know the students starting from age 18 to what age are eligible ? |
| 15:21.30 | rihen | i mean what is the range |
| 15:21.32 | rihen | ? |
| 15:21.37 | carols | rihen: 28 to whatever |
| 15:21.40 | carols | 18 |
| 15:21.41 | |Kev| | There's no upper limit, as long as they're students and meet the other criteria. |
| 15:21.43 | carols | sorry, typo |
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| 15:24.50 | rihen | what if the project ..suppose for a particular reason ..doesnt get completed with reviews and final code ? |
| 15:25.19 | rihen | before or on the deadline date |
| 15:25.24 | rihen | ! |
| 15:25.25 | rihen | then ? |
| 15:25.31 | dfighter | then you don't get paid! |
| 15:25.40 | dfighter | depending on your mentor's judgment that is |
| 15:25.54 | dfighter | because they need to know if it failed because of you |
| 15:26.02 | dfighter | or because of unforeseen events |
| 15:26.04 | dfighter | complications |
| 15:26.05 | dfighter | etc |
| 15:26.28 | dfighter | so if it fails because you slack instead of working, then you don't get paid |
| 15:26.35 | dfighter | and gl getting a chance again |
| 15:27.11 | rihen | dfighter: but what about the staring stipend paid from google on midterm evaluations |
| 15:27.21 | rihen | basis |
| 15:27.23 | rihen | ? |
| 15:27.34 | rihen | to students |
| 15:27.36 | dfighter | well |
| 15:27.41 | carols | rihen: you're confusing two things. there's a starting stipend and theres a midterm stipend. if you don't pass the midterm you don't get the midterm stipend. |
| 15:27.44 | dfighter | as the Ferengi rules of acquisition say |
| 15:27.45 | carols | same with the final. |
| 15:27.51 | dfighter | once you have their money, never give it back! |
| 15:27.52 | dfighter | :) |
| 15:29.17 | rihen | but you know guys its a great exposure you get to real world programming |
| 15:29.38 | rihen | :) |
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| 15:29.39 | carols | rihen: indeed, so is volunteering for an open source project on your own. |
| 15:30.13 | dfighter | +1 to carols |
| 15:30.34 | dfighter | I've been working in the open source world for almost 4 years now |
| 15:30.46 | dfighter | and this is the first year I am participating in GSOC |
| 15:30.52 | dfighter | so the two are totally independent |
| 15:31.13 | rihen | @dfighter i waiting for year 2013 |
| 15:31.25 | rihen | same here m a newbiee too |
| 15:31.25 | carols | rihen: why? why not start working with your favorite OS project now? |
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| 15:31.51 | carols | rihen: not only will it be good for you, it'll make your chances of getting accepted into GSOC better if we decide to run it again. |
| 15:32.04 | dfighter | rihen if you start contributing to a regular org now, you will have better chances to get into GSOC next year |
| 15:32.13 | dfighter | if and when Google managers decide it's worth the money |
| 15:32.28 | rihen | carols:i completely agree with you mann |
| 15:32.30 | rihen | ! |
| 15:32.30 | dfighter | I tried to get in last year too, but failed, however I stuck around and got in this year |
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| 15:32.40 | carols | rihen: i'm not a man, but i'm glad you agree. |
| 15:32.48 | sfb | haha |
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| 15:33.17 | dfighter | but |
| 15:33.25 | dfighter | there are no women on the internet! |
| 15:33.27 | dfighter | hides |
| 15:33.51 | JordiGH | xkcd 322 |
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| 15:34.25 | sfb | dfighter: It's like when the girl who does the 'overly attached girlfriend' videos did like an interview video |
| 15:34.35 | sfb | dfighter: One guy posts a question "do a porn" |
| 15:34.48 | sfb | dfighter: And another guy responds with, "see, this is why we can't have nice things on the internet." |
| 15:35.00 | dfighter | heh |
| 15:35.11 | rihen | @carols:examples about regular org's you were saying about? |
| 15:35.23 | sfb | rihen: Go look at the accept organization list |
| 15:35.26 | carols | rihen: you could start with the list of all the orgs that are participating in gsoc this year. |
| 15:35.28 | sfb | rihen: Find one that you're interested in. |
| 15:35.36 | sfb | rihen: Join their forums or IRC channels, participate. |
| 15:35.40 | sfb | rihen: Maybe even start coding. |
| 15:36.24 | dfighter | sfb I also remember a vid where some dude was playing, and then started the rant about no women playing, and then it turned out all of the other players were actually girls, and then they ganged up on him, and told him all the usual stuff like "make me sammich", "what are you doing outside of the kitchen", etc :D |
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| 15:37.58 | rihen | you mean just for practice i start a project |
| 15:39.00 | dfighter | no rihen, you contribute to existing projects |
| 15:39.05 | carols | rihen: for practice, for community, for coding experience, for work experience, for friends. |
| 15:39.18 | JordiGH | ... for love? |
| 15:39.24 | carols | indeed. |
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| 15:40.19 | rihen | hey but i am not registered as a applicant |
| 15:40.46 | carols | rihen: separate gsoc and working for an open source project in your mind. you do not need gsoc to work in open source. |
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| 15:41.36 | rihen | got it carols!:) |
| 15:41.42 | carols | i'm so glad :-) |
| 15:42.42 | rihen | carols u are a regular contestant for gsoc |
| 15:42.44 | rihen | ? |
| 15:43.01 | JordiGH | Heh, contestant. |
| 15:43.05 | JordiGH | Code deathmatch! |
| 15:43.26 | simonl | M-M-M-MonsterBug! |
| 15:43.29 | JordiGH | Or like in the Facebook movie. With tequila shots and a roaring crowd. |
| 15:43.37 | carols | rihen: no, i'm not. |
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| 15:44.27 | sfb | hahahah |
| 15:44.31 | sfb | TWO STUDENTS ENTER |
| 15:44.33 | sfb | ONE STUDENT LEAVES |
| 15:44.33 | luite | if you want a contest, the ICFP contest started today :) |
| 15:45.09 | rihen | guys but google also gives credit for quality code |
| 15:45.15 | JordiGH | Credit? |
| 15:45.28 | rihen | i mean it adds to the performance |
| 15:45.32 | JordiGH | It's all about the Benjamins, rihen. |
| 15:46.16 | dfighter | rihen GSOC is not a contest |
| 15:46.25 | JordiGH | rihen: Google isn't going to be doing any code review on the GSoC submissions. The mentors do that. |
| 15:46.28 | dfighter | and Google only organizes and finances it |
| 15:46.36 | JordiGH | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos |
| 15:46.59 | dfighter | rihen if you want a Google organized contest try Google code jam |
| 15:47.08 | dfighter | altough you might need some math for that :P |
| 15:48.13 | rihen | really @dfighter:i studied triple integration but hav never applied |
| 15:48.51 | JordiGH | rihen: The @twitter @syntax looks a little gauche in IRC. |
| 15:49.15 | rihen | wat do u want me to use |
| 15:49.20 | rihen | :) |
| 15:49.28 | JordiGH | rihen: Most people's IRC clients highlight any string that contains their username and you can tab-complete, so you can do "df<TAB>" to tab-complete. |
| 15:49.54 | dfighter | rihen think cs theory and algorithmic problems, for code jam, not integration |
| 15:50.11 | JordiGH | rihen: Huh, that's a weird version of xchat. But it should do tab-completion. |
| 15:50.58 | JordiGH | dfighter: I once had an interview question where they asked me to implement sqrt(), heh. I was happy to see someone who codes also cared about mathematics. |
| 15:51.00 | rihen | yeah will do jordight |
| 15:51.32 | JordiGH | rihen: You didn't do it. :-( |
| 15:51.51 | rihen | next message |
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| 15:53.47 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 15:54.58 | meflin | mmm tea |
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| 15:55.24 | aghisla | adds cinnamon over a few cappuccinos |
| 15:55.45 | carols | thanks aghisla :-) |
| 15:55.49 | dfighter | JordiGH I do care about it, I'm just not too good in the theoretical part, but I intend to work on it once I have some more free time :P |
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| 15:56.37 | aghisla | suggestion from a Czech friend! enjoy :) |
| 15:58.23 | |Kev| | JordiGH: For my next film... |
| 16:00.08 | JordiGH | |Kev|? |
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| 16:00.15 | |Kev| | 22:36 #gsoc: < JordiGH> I get so weirdly excited to see Kevin Smith posting in the mentors list. |
| 16:00.24 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 16:00.28 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 16:02.40 | sfb | JordiGH: So did you end up mentoring this year? |
| 16:02.55 | JordiGH | sfb: Yeah. |
| 16:02.57 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 16:03.01 | JordiGH | It actually worked out really well. |
| 16:03.04 | sfb | JordiGH: Thinking you'll be able to go to the Mentor Summit? |
| 16:03.07 | JordiGH | We got three students, but they're all really good. |
| 16:03.19 | JordiGH | sfb: That's still uncertain. I'd like to go, but who knows how it will work out. |
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| 16:04.19 | sfb | JordiGH: If you do end up going it'd be great if we could meet up for lunch the day we arrive. Maybe see if we can get Andreas too. |
| 16:05.05 | JordiGH | Like last time, eh? |
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| 16:05.24 | sfb | Yeah. |
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| 16:06.34 | rihen | you guys are from 1 country? |
| 16:06.44 | rihen | sfb,jordigh |
| 16:06.53 | sfb | rihen: Nope. |
| 16:06.59 | JordiGH | The Country of Humanity. |
| 16:07.02 | rihen | how do u meetup then |
| 16:07.13 | rihen | ok i see |
| 16:07.20 | sfb | rihen: Google has an annual conference that it invites a bunch of mentors too. |
| 16:07.42 | sfb | rihen: JordiGH and I hitched a ride from the airport with a third mentor. |
| 16:07.52 | sfb | rihen: Just worked out nice, three people from different projects, etc |
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| 16:08.28 | |Kev| | People from different projects...in the same vehicle? DOOM. |
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| 16:16.37 | rihen | hey anyone of you worked or just given a try to qualify on existinf social networking sites |
| 16:16.51 | rihen | existinf=existing |
| 16:17.00 | carols | rihen: twitter is a participant in gsoc this year. |
| 16:17.06 | carols | maybe someone on here is working with them. |
| 16:17.52 | JordiGH | I found that really weird. |
| 16:17.58 | JordiGH | Did Facebook also apply? |
| 16:18.04 | |Kev| | BuddyCloud are also participating through the XSF. |
| 16:18.12 | |Kev| | Sorry, 'buddycloud'. They have a thing about caps. |
| 16:18.17 | carols | JordiGH: whether they applied is confidential, but they did participate two years ago. |
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| 16:18.40 | rihen | it also depends on requirements i guess |
| 16:18.41 | JordiGH | carols: I find it odd that they can't pay for their own students. |
| 16:18.57 | carols | JordiGH: i don't know much about their financials one way or the other. |
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| 16:20.26 | rihen | hey you all guys are mentors here so you must be experienced or a mastreo in ypur field |
| 16:20.39 | carols | rihen: not everyone here is a mentor. |
| 16:20.40 | JordiGH | We're not all mentors. |
| 16:21.05 | carols | also, humility is an appreciated trait, so I don't know that most of us would call ourselves maestros. |
| 16:21.20 | JordiGH | I'm not very humble at all. |
| 16:21.32 | carols | JordiGH: well, it doesn't stand across the board, obviously. |
| 16:21.41 | JordiGH | ;-) |
| 16:21.59 | |Kev| | Oh, I'm very humble. It's one of my best traits. I'm famous for it. Probably the most humble person here. I'm /that/ good. |
| 16:22.14 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: As long as you don't call yourself a rockstar. |
| 16:22.32 | MatthewWilkes | Hah! |Kev| really brightens this channel up! :) |
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| 16:25.15 | sharvey | rihen: I'm a student with gsoc this year :) |
| 16:25.54 | rihen | yeah!gud to know |
| 16:26.44 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: We aim to please. |
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| 16:50.52 | carols | refreshes lists again |
| 16:51.24 | sharvey | carols: any stragglers? |
| 16:51.30 | carols | sharvey: oh yeah, a ton. |
| 16:51.46 | carols | which baffles me. |
| 16:51.46 | MatthewWilkes | carols: What percentage will be indignant? |
| 16:51.56 | MatthewWilkes | (rather than apologetic) |
| 16:52.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: oh, a good portion. |
| 16:52.14 | carols | i'm sure a bunch of them will blame it on me and the way i run the program. |
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| 16:52.24 | sharvey | carols: the deadline is 17:00 utc? |
| 16:52.29 | carols | sharvey: 19:00 |
| 16:52.32 | sharvey | oh |
| 16:52.34 | sharvey | ok |
| 16:53.43 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Well, you do re-try every year. ;) |
| 16:53.56 | carols | MatthewWilkes: indeed. |
| 16:54.49 | sharvey | carols: haters be hatin' and slackers be slackin' |
| 16:54.57 | carols | sharvey: ain't that the truth. |
| 16:55.36 | agliodbs | carols: it's all your fault! |
| 16:55.40 | agliodbs | (what is it?) |
| 16:55.52 | sharvey | you should ship the hundreds of slackers a giant sadface sticker |
| 16:55.59 | carols | agliodbs: people not submitting evaluations on time. |
| 16:56.28 | JordiGH | I did mine on Wednesday. |
| 16:56.36 | sharvey | or get melange to, after the deadline post up a giant sadface |
| 16:57.17 | carols | sharvey: i've already done enough work trying to cat herd these people to fulfill their responsibility; i'm not doing more work for them. |
| 16:57.22 | carols | but i appreciate the idea. |
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| 16:58.02 | sharvey | understandable |
| 16:58.16 | sharvey | there should be a gsoc position where the student gets to be carols' helper |
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| 16:59.50 | ChrisOelmueller | gevaerts: [beard] yes, that's why i picked you as example. :) |
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| 17:12.09 | dzhus | how do I know if I did everything alright with evaluations? will be any mails sent out when it's settled that we pass? |
| 17:12.33 | carols | dzhus: yes, after the deadline you'll receive an email letting you know if you passed or failed. |
| 17:13.52 | dzhus | two hours left yay :3 |
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| 17:15.00 | agliodbs | carols: we *are* talking about students and OSS geeks here |
| 17:15.23 | JordiGH | politely refuses the "OSS" monicker but will accept "FS". |
| 17:15.24 | carols | agliodbs: well, yes, but if you sign up for a responsibility, you fulfill it. if you don't want the responsibility, don't take it in the first place. |
| 17:16.06 | agliodbs | carols: I think you'll be repeating that many times in the next week |
| 17:16.14 | carols | agliodbs: indeed. which is sad. |
| 17:16.18 | carols | why should i have to? |
| 17:16.27 | JordiGH | Well, there are always tears after the first midterm, aren't there? |
| 17:16.45 | JordiGH | It's kinda unavoidable. Bad things will happen. |
| 17:16.51 | JordiGH | Students will fail, mentors will flake out. |
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| 17:18.00 | dfighter | sounds like a college midterm |
| 17:18.35 | JordiGH | When I was teaching, it was painful to have to have to fail students. |
| 17:18.57 | JordiGH | I could never figure out another way, sadly. |
| 17:19.32 | dzhus | if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger |
| 17:19.52 | Catfish_Man | or cripples you |
| 17:19.55 | Catfish_Man | either way :) |
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| 17:22.27 | agliodbs | carols: well, I don't know about the rest of the world, but school in the USA doesn't really teach you deadline-orientation |
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| 17:22.40 | agliodbs | there's always second and third chances, and excuses |
| 17:22.58 | dfighter | agliodbs same here |
| 17:23.01 | dfighter | ( Hungary ) |
| 17:23.18 | carols | agliodbs: really? i never got that in university. then again, i never tried. so maybe if i had, i would have gotten it. |
| 17:23.20 | dfighter | and I am particularly horrible with deadlines, but even I can make the GSOC deadlines |
| 17:23.29 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: apparently there are some records left from ancient rome indicating they hadn't figured that out either, btw ;) |
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| 17:27.20 | carols | serves some cookies |
| 17:27.26 | carols | refreshes the lists again |
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| 17:28.28 | JordiGH | Are you hoping to attract more evaluations with cookies? |
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| 17:29.32 | carols | JordiGH: at this point, i'd try almost anything. |
| 17:29.51 | JordiGH | How many are missing? |
| 17:29.54 | JordiGH | Like, 10%? |
| 17:30.18 | carols | JordiGH: 25 mentor evaluations and 26 student evaluations. and, actually, only overlap on one of them. which is interesting. |
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| 17:33.39 | dzhus | double slowpoke combo |
| 17:33.58 | carols | dzhus: yeah, kinda makes you wonder what happened there. like, they both agreed to slack? |
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| 17:37.42 | JordiGH | Coincidence? |
| 17:38.07 | carols | JordiGH: maybe so. |
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| 17:41.02 | scr4ve | 2,15% is fairly good, isn't it? |
| 17:42.21 | carols | scr4ve: not if you consider that every student who has a mentor who didn't submit an evaluation 1) gets an email saying their midterm is "undecided" and 2) doesn't get their midterm payment. |
| 17:43.15 | scr4ve | ah right. I just thought about this out of a mentors position. |
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| 17:44.19 | scr4ve | carols: Of the 26 students who still haven't submitted their evaluations - how many will fail either way? |
| 17:44.37 | carols | scr4ve: if a student doesn't submit an evaluation he/she automatically fails. |
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| 17:45.11 | scr4ve | even if they fill out the evaluation form until the deadline* |
| 17:45.17 | dmiles_afk | i have a HG clone/fork onm googlecode.. can i add another user? |
| 17:45.39 | carols | dmiles_afk: this is just a channel for gsoc, not other google products. |
| 17:46.56 | scr4ve | I mean there might be a pretty good correlation. E.g. if I know that my mentor failed me, why should I submit an evaluation? |
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| 17:48.16 | dzhus | Actually this is like black box in flight failures |
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| 17:55.11 | vikash | carols, in my TODO's I have "chool name selected from autocomplete - No" And "Set 'additional info' for 'Examples for HTML and CSS on MDN - No", so it wont affect my evaluation, right? |
| 17:56.02 | vikash | carols, the other two are submitted! and will we get a mail at 1700 UTC about the result? |
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| 17:57.28 | carols | vikash: no, it won't affect your evaluation. |
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| 17:57.56 | vikash | carols, cool :-) and .... |
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| 17:59.50 | sharvey | carols: is it immediately announced whether you're accepted or not? |
| 17:59.58 | sharvey | carols: or is the announcement only made on monday? |
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| 18:00.37 | vikash | remembers GSoC midterm result is coming on Friday, the 13th as per UTC :) |
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| 18:01.49 | sharvey | oh it does start today |
| 18:01.50 | sharvey | neat |
| 18:02.18 | carols | sharvey: accepted? |
| 18:02.37 | sharvey | carols: err midterm evaluations |
| 18:02.48 | carols | sharvey: emails will be sent out in about an hour. |
| 18:02.53 | sharvey | sorry, I'm reading through old mailing list e-mails about gsoc acceptance for some reason |
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| 18:17.25 | rihen | which is the most widely used language in the world? |
| 18:17.47 | nischayn22 | English?? |
| 18:17.50 | carols | rihen: i know you're exploring open source, but this is a channel that's for gsoc-specific topics. |
| 18:18.10 | rihen | yeah nischayn uare riht |
| 18:18.16 | rihen | right |
| 18:18.21 | rihen | sorry carols |
| 18:18.24 | carols | np. |
| 18:18.37 | rihen | sometimes it happens |
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| 18:21.28 | AmberJ | carols: I already submittedmy midterm evaluation a few days ago but students can still edit it (before 13 July 2012 at 19:00 UTC)? |
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| 18:21.39 | carols | AmberJ: yes, for about another half hour. |
| 18:22.01 | AmberJ | I want to add an answer to optional question "one example of a very good interaction". |
| 18:22.05 | AmberJ | Thanks carols :) |
| 18:22.08 | carols | yw |
| 18:22.10 | stefanneculai | will students get an email about the midterm evaluation when it ends? |
| 18:22.16 | carols | stefanneculai: yes |
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| 18:22.28 | stefanneculai | thanks |
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| 18:47.06 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 18:48.10 | sharvey | 12 mins!! |
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| 18:50.51 | AmberJ_ | sharvey, We need an irc bot for that! ;) |
| 18:52.06 | AmberJ_ | An countdown IRC bot that tells you how many seconds are remaining :D |
| 18:52.22 | sharvey | freenode would probably ban it |
| 18:52.22 | vikash | lol |
| 18:52.36 | sharvey | well only if it posted every second |
| 18:53.33 | AmberJ_ | starts a campaign against freenode policies |
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| 18:58.33 | bretonium | ping |
| 18:58.36 | bretonium | oh, alive. |
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| 18:59.20 | ashwini | !logs |
| 18:59.21 | gsocbot | ashwini: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:59.21 | sharvey | hi bretonium |
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| 19:00.38 | vikash | Times up |
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| 19:01.23 | sharvey | and now to wait for the e-mails |
| 19:01.49 | PioneerAxon | starts refreshing mail inbox.. |
| 19:01.59 | nischayn22 | and complains about Melange :P |
| 19:03.05 | stefanneculai | are we going to get the email in the next couple of minutes? |
| 19:03.10 | carols | stefanneculai: yes |
| 19:03.27 | carols | be patient, there's 1200 of you and only one melange :-) |
| 19:03.27 | Lennie | I got my first one :) |
| 19:03.30 | Lennie | out of 3 students :p |
| 19:03.59 | AmberJ_ | Stop DDoSing google-melange.com... It's my turn now :P |
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| 19:04.21 | Lennie | AmberJ, we've seen way worse QPS :p |
| 19:04.45 | ChrisOelmueller | Lennie: we noticed. :-) |
| 19:05.08 | Lennie | ChrisOelmueller, that won't happen again :P |
| 19:05.52 | Lennie | Lesson learned, don't trust a dial that says Auto |
| 19:05.56 | Lennie | Just fill in a value :p |
| 19:06.17 | AmberJ_ | Got mine. I passed! :) |
| 19:06.33 | PioneerAxon | AmberJ_: Do you need to DDoS google-melange.com?? I got my mail already.. :D Passed. |
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| 19:06.55 | Lennie | oh and before we throw in conspiracy theories |
| 19:06.56 | PioneerAxon | AmberJ_: Bah!! wrong timing.. :P |
| 19:07.00 | AmberJ_ | heh |
| 19:07.06 | edsiper | wondering why people have doubts if they passed or not... |
| 19:07.06 | Lennie | I believe this is in a per-org order |
| 19:07.21 | sharvey | Lennie: define per-org? |
| 19:07.22 | Lennie | so it's not like everyone who's passed will get theirs first : |
| 19:07.37 | Lennie | the order in which the emails are put into the system :p |
| 19:07.50 | AmberJ_ | PioneerAxon, I thought it might take some time before I get my email. So, I thought of checking if melange shows the results. But when I tried, I noticed a DDoS in action :D |
| 19:07.55 | sharvey | for some org in list of orgs, for some student in student list in org, e-mail student? |
| 19:08.10 | sharvey | I dunno if melange shows the results |
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| 19:08.18 | sharvey | I can't find where it would be |
| 19:08.18 | Lennie | sharvey, somewhat more complicated :P |
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| 19:09.03 | Lennie | sharvey, if your project is still visible from the organization home page you are good :P |
| 19:09.07 | agliodbs | odd, I got notices for 3 of our 4 students, but not the 4th. wonder if it's lost in the ether? |
| 19:09.14 | Lennie | agliodbs, give it some time :)? |
| 19:09.29 | Lennie | agliodbs, still sending emails |
| 19:09.38 | gevaerts | Lennie: you shouldn't do that! Conspiracy theories are where all the fun is! |
| 19:09.51 | PioneerAxon | AmberJ_: Okay.. It happens. Consider 1212 students refreshing their page every 5 second. It is still 606 hits per second.. :P |
| 19:09.58 | Lennie | agliodbs, also can you pm me your mail address in case you are worried? |
| 19:09.58 | agliodbs | Lennie: I'm assuming it's stuck in a mail router somewhere in Argentina |
| 19:09.59 | dzhus | Yay! |
| 19:10.22 | agliodbs | Lennie: I'm not worried, I can always send a notice to the student myself if it comes to that |
| 19:10.48 | Lennie | carols, all mail has left our building :) |
| 19:10.55 | carols | Lennie: awesome, thanks Lennie :-) |
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| 19:12.55 | Lennie | carols, how many projects did we start with/ |
| 19:13.05 | carols | Lennie: 1212 |
| 19:13.17 | Lennie | 1132 now according to the homepage |
| 19:13.37 | sharvey | that's a significant drop |
| 19:14.45 | PioneerAxon | calculates 1212-1132=80.. |
| 19:15.07 | PioneerAxon | sharvey: indeed.. :/ |
| 19:15.43 | dzhus | would be nice to see midterm rejection stats over last years in google blog! |
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| 19:17.45 | cpolymeris | or reasons for rejection: were the students completely inactive? not up to the org's standards? did they or their mentors just forget to fill out the form? |
| 19:18.17 | sharvey | one or more of those probably |
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| 19:20.26 | vikash | carols, ping |
| 19:20.32 | carols | vikash: pong |
| 19:20.48 | vikash | carols, Can I pm you for 5 min |
| 19:21.07 | carols | vikash: sure |
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| 19:21.22 | carols | i'm only processing payments for the gsoc students, i can multitask. |
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| 19:21.32 | AmberJ_ | Do we have something like #gsoc-party ? :D |
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| 19:23.48 | bretonium | it's /join gsoc-party |
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| 19:24.59 | AmberJ_ | bretonium, you forgot the # :) |
| 19:25.12 | carols | i need to get on a plane, folks |
| 19:25.15 | carols | i hope you all have a good day |
| 19:25.18 | carols | i'll talk to you soon |
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| 19:35.09 | ksuzee | Lennie: on what homepage is such data? |
| 19:35.38 | Lennie | !projects |
| 19:35.43 | Lennie | hmm lame :D |
| 19:35.52 | Lennie | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 |
| 19:36.27 | ksuzee | hah))) Thanks)) |
| 19:36.58 | ksuzee | I expected some kind of statistic=))) |
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| 19:40.41 | argonel | !learn projects as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 |
| 19:40.41 | gsocbot | argonel: "projects" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 19:41.43 | fabfab1 | hi, I apssed the deadline for evaluation, what can I do |
| 19:41.50 | fabfab1 | *passed |
| 19:42.01 | somaen | as in "didnt submit in time" |
| 19:42.02 | somaen | ? |
| 19:42.03 | rajul | fabfab1: i suppose...cry out loud... |
| 19:42.20 | rajul | COL...is it a thing :) |
| 19:42.27 | somaen | It's quite specifically specified that you will be dropped from the GSoC if you don't submit in time |
| 19:42.30 | fabfab1 | yes i missed the dealine (assumed it was 19h in US..) |
| 19:42.53 | somaen | Ouch, well I guess that is the downside of living over there |
| 19:43.01 | somaen | the other way around is quite a lot safer |
| 19:43.11 | JordiGH | fabfab1: What deadline did you miss? You're a mentor? |
| 19:43.24 | JordiGH | Wait, if students don't submit an evaluation for their mentors, do they also forfeit their money? |
| 19:43.30 | rajul | fabfab1: well...getting serious...talk to carols!! |
| 19:43.49 | ChrisOelmueller | JordiGH: students are removed from the program (just as with a fail grade otherwise) |
| 19:44.02 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 19:44.03 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 19:44.05 | AmberJ_ | lol at COL comment. I'm gonna use this one regularly now! |
| 19:44.07 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:44.08 | JordiGH | I hope none of mine did that... |
| 19:44.19 | fabfab1 | yes i'm a mentor |
| 19:44.23 | rajul | JordiGH: now you are a mentor....you dont get money :) |
| 19:44.26 | somaen | There were mails sent out telling them to do it |
| 19:44.29 | ChrisOelmueller | fabfab1: contact carols as soon as possible |
| 19:44.36 | fabfab1 | yes thx |
| 19:44.40 | somaen | Ah, mentors are safer there |
| 19:44.43 | JordiGH | fabfab1: Sigh, you didn't get reminder emails all week? |
| 19:45.01 | rajul | fabfab1: okay i read it in evaluations FAQs... |
| 19:45.08 | ChrisOelmueller | somaen: mentor failure should not be the reason to fail students, that's all |
| 19:45.11 | somaen | I mean, a student shouldn't fail just because a mentor forgot to fill in |
| 19:45.14 | rajul | that if mentor dont submit it then there is ome provision... |
| 19:45.23 | rajul | i'll check... |
| 19:45.41 | somaen | I seem to remember some detail about "just get it in as fast as possible" being the case for mentors |
| 19:45.50 | somaen | and "tough luck" being the case for students that didnt deliver |
| 19:46.01 | rajul | yeah its there |
| 19:46.03 | rajul | Finally, any mentor who misses a deadline for an evaluation of his/her student without notifying the program administrators beforehand will not be allowed to attend the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. Timely evaluations of Google Summer of Code students are crucial to us. |
| 19:46.10 | rajul | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#evaluations |
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| 19:46.35 | rajul | so still something can be done i suppose...just seek and you will find :) |
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| 19:47.23 | rajul | fabfab1: you get it?? |
| 19:48.48 | AmberJ_ | fabfab1, also: "If a student submits his or her evaluation on time but the mentor does not, then the student is in an undecided state until the program administrators can speak to the mentor and determine the students grade. " |
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| 19:49.13 | fabfab1 | yes thanks guy |
| 19:49.14 | AmberJ_ | fabfab1, in short, contact carols! :) |
| 19:49.26 | fabfab1 | I just send emergency emails etc.. |
| 19:49.57 | prateekp | one email is enough i guess :P ... 'emails' |
| 19:50.05 | fabfab1 | dammit.. they could let us a week end, I mean we mentors are not students.. we work in the week |
| 19:50.08 | JordiGH | fabfab1: Why did this happen? |
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| 19:50.27 | JordiGH | fabfab1: You were unable to dedicate any time to GSoC during the week? |
| 19:50.34 | fabfab1 | because I was busy like crazy this week, and though i's do it quitely on friday evening |
| 19:51.09 | rajul | fabfab1: well....all the best!!! |
| 19:51.26 | prateekp | all the best from my side as well |
| 19:51.49 | fabfab1 | merci |
| 19:52.02 | prateekp | just chill |
| 19:52.08 | JordiGH | Hm, how much are you expected to put in as a mentor? I thought about one hour per day was the expectation. |
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| 19:59.29 | simonl | Things seem to have quited down, so here's an offtopic inquiry: I have a nexus s phone that won't locate any of the music files I've loaded on there, any tips on things I can try? |
| 20:01.12 | JordiGH | !gsoc |
| 20:01.13 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation |
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| 20:01.19 | JordiGH | Hm. |
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| 20:05.27 | AmberJ_ | JordiGH, I think !gsoc should say "Flip bits, not burgers!" instead :D |
| 20:05.47 | JordiGH | It used to say "not General savoir-faire of open-source conundrums". |
| 20:05.52 | JordiGH | It was for topic policing. |
| 20:06.01 | ChrisOelmueller | it should certainly not say what it says now i'd think |
| 20:06.11 | ChrisOelmueller | the great thing is that we can all edit it. :) |
| 20:06.12 | JordiGH | But I'm for laissez-faire topic economics and disbanding the topic militia. |
| 20:07.54 | simonl | so, this is all a reaction to me posting off-topic? If so, I apologize :/ |
| 20:08.42 | nathanielmanista | I think so. There's just too many of us to allow for such a diversion. |
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| 20:09.32 | nathanielmanista | In one of my other channels it's a totally different place, there are only ten of us and we go off-topic all the time. |
| 20:09.59 | nathanielmanista | This needs to stay a little more formal, or at least on-track, in order to provide the value that's the reason for its being in the first place. |
| 20:12.13 | simonl | nathanielmanista: fair enough. |
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| 21:20.09 | Calcs88 | what if you want to get a job where your mentor works? I would say the right time to ask is after gsoc is done, not now |
| 21:20.32 | Calcs88 | I mean, I should get things done well and make him happy, and after all is done I can ask if there is a job at his place |
| 21:20.38 | Calcs88 | it is more appropriate |
| 21:20.45 | Calcs88 | what you guys think? |
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| 21:35.43 | bretonium | you sure he works? |
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| 21:56.21 | dzhus | or you could write to the company directly but specify your mentor as reference |
| 22:00.32 | agliodbs | ... and there's the last one |
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| 22:01.02 | agliodbs | weird |
| 22:01.18 | agliodbs | 3 of 4 "pass" messages showed up between 12:05 and 12:08 |
| 22:01.26 | agliodbs | and the 4th at 2:56 |
| 22:01.35 | agliodbs | ah, the vagueries of email delivery |
| 22:01.49 | agliodbs | looks like it was sent at 12:11, too |
| 22:02.03 | dzhus | TCP/IP packet was manually checked by state security |
| 22:02.08 | dzhus | perhaps |
| 22:02.35 | agliodbs | dzhus: ha! |
| 22:02.55 | agliodbs | "please fil out this form in triplicate for each TCP/IP packet you wish to send |
| 22:02.58 | agliodbs | " |
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| 22:04.31 | linas | mid-term evals .. it seems I missed the deadline. Now what? |
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| 22:05.39 | agliodbs | linas: time to beg carols for forgiveness |
| 22:05.58 | agliodbs | and submit an eval by email |
| 22:06.03 | agliodbs | you a mentor or student? |
| 22:06.44 | linas | mentor. I went to do the eval on monday, but it hadn't opened yet. So I figured I had till friday or sunday or next mnday to do it. |
| 22:07.37 | agliodbs | linas: the deadlines have been pretty clearly broadcast |
| 22:07.48 | ChrisOelmueller | you just deprived yourself of attending the mentor summit, then. i hope for your student that you take them more serious than melange deadlines, and yes, mail carols as soon as possible |
| 22:07.59 | linas | where? I pretty much go no notifications at all... |
| 22:08.03 | ChrisOelmueller | right now your student has no clude about pass or fail and that's not great, as you may imagine |
| 22:08.11 | linas | like real no notification at all. |
| 22:08.15 | agliodbs | linas: so, (1) send a very apologetic email to carols with an email evaluation |
| 22:08.28 | linas | who is carols? |
| 22:08.30 | agliodbs | linas: if you're a mentor, you're automatically signed up for the mentors google group |
| 22:08.47 | agliodbs | linas: Carol Smith, GSOC Autocrat |
| 22:09.06 | linas | I get digests from the mailing list, but that's all, they tend to be 100% idle chatter. |
| 22:09.19 | ChrisOelmueller | the mentor ML. |
| 22:09.30 | agliodbs | (2) send an apology to your student with a comment about whether they passed or failed |
| 22:10.06 | agliodbs | also, the mid-term deadline has been on the GSOC calendar since before GSOC started |
| 22:10.17 | agliodbs | and your Org admin should have been reminding you of it |
| 22:10.40 | linas | argh |
| 22:10.51 | linas | browbeating me is not particularly heklpful, you know |
| 22:11.05 | linas | unless you want to pick a fight |
| 22:11.19 | ChrisOelmueller | yes, but just telling you "oh well deadlines have no reason to exist anyways" won't solve this either |
| 22:12.07 | agliodbs | linas: I don't work for Google. I'm an org admin. |
| 22:12.12 | ChrisOelmueller | my honest suggestion is that you might want to adjust your notification pipeline somehow (either ML, calendar, org admin or something else) to prevent this from happening again |
| 22:12.15 | ChrisOelmueller | same. |
| 22:12.40 | agliodbs | you asked for advice, I gave it. |
| 22:14.14 | agliodbs | you're entirely free to ignore my advice, for that matter. just like anywhere else on Freenode |
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| 22:55.01 | crdueck | !next |
| 22:55.02 | gsocbot | crdueck: "next" is Mid-term evaluations from mentors and students are due July 13th, 19:00 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=evaluations+due&iso=20120713T19 |
| 22:55.41 | sharvey | hi crdueck |
| 22:56.24 | crdueck | hello sharvey |
| 22:56.37 | sharvey | crdueck: are you doing a gsoc project this year? |
| 22:56.56 | crdueck | yes, I'm working with BRL-CAD |
| 22:57.16 | sharvey | oh cool |
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