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| 22:00.50 | dberkholz | lh: we should skype/hangout/something next week |
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| 22:01.40 | lh | dberkholz, yes, yes we should. when looks good for you? |
| 22:01.59 | dberkholz | monday, tuesday afternoon, wednesday |
| 22:02.48 | dberkholz | also i will be at CLS so we could meet up in person |
| 22:02.52 | dberkholz | arrive at PDX 4pm friday |
| 22:03.57 | dberkholz | lh: ^ |
| 22:04.22 | lh | thinks we should meet up at cls and also hang out next week |
| 22:04.29 | lh | dberkholz, checking calendar, please enjoy the hold music |
| 22:04.32 | Catfish_Man | hello lh :) |
| 22:05.01 | lh | Catfish_Man, hello m'dear. |
| 22:05.04 | lh | oh wait! |
| 22:05.21 | dberkholz | lh: i will be at parties, doing a keynote thingy that's a shortened and me-only preview version of our talk, and probably sleeping in late =) |
| 22:05.21 | lh | Catfish_Man, a friend of mine needs webkit devs if you know anyone looking, please send them my way. |
| 22:05.31 | lh | Catfish_Man, and hug shiobanv for me too |
| 22:05.37 | Catfish_Man | lh: I'll keep my ears and eyes open :) |
| 22:05.42 | lh | dberkholz, i am free on tuesday after 10 AM pacific time, what works well for you |
| 22:05.42 | Catfish_Man | and arms of course |
| 22:05.44 | lh | Catfish_Man, thankin ye |
| 22:05.47 | lh | win! |
| 22:06.08 | dberkholz | lh: let's go after your lunch so we can talk as long as needed |
| 22:06.09 | lh | dberkholz, i remember this whole sleeping late thing. it is a joy |
| 22:06.16 | dberkholz | unless you eat absurdly late. |
| 22:06.18 | lh | dberkholz, done will send calendar invite - redmonk addy or gmail |
| 22:06.24 | lh | dberkholz, i do but that's fine, i forget to eat all the time |
| 22:06.28 | dberkholz | redmonk is the calendar i use |
| 22:06.57 | dberkholz | somewhere between 11am and 1pm pacific would be good start times |
| 22:07.04 | dberkholz | block 2 hours, hopefully only use 1 |
| 22:07.40 | dberkholz | (for the rest of you, we're giving a talk together at oscon that was incubated partially at a gsoc summit a few years back) |
| 22:10.05 | lh | 1 pm pacific it is |
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| 22:12.48 | dberkholz | lemme dig up a recent slide deck and send it over |
| 22:13.37 | dberkholz | oh no, they cut your email off at 8 letters! |
| 22:13.47 | dberkholz | lh: what email do you want a slide deck in? |
| 22:14.34 | lh | dberkholz, mebelh@gmail.com plz |
| 22:14.53 | lh | dberkholz, tell me about it. at least i have hawthorn@redhat.com as an alias, which i think is pretty nifty |
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| 22:18.58 | dberkholz | lh: sent |
| 22:19.04 | lh | dberkholz, dnake |
| 22:19.06 | lh | er danke even |
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| 22:21.41 | dberkholz | lh: also sent a video over on a 15-minute version |
| 22:21.45 | dberkholz | missing some stuff but has the key points |
| 22:22.10 | lh | dberkholz, perfect, thank you |
| 22:22.47 | dberkholz | lh: but i am hoping we can not just have both of us giving mine, rather come up with something cool combining our ideas and styles |
| 22:23.10 | dberkholz | lh: so i'm hoping you have lots of input based on your experience. not just tweaks, major changes |
| 22:23.56 | lh | dberkholz, that's pretty much what i was planning to propose. also, i think my new employer may be a bit unthriled with me giving a talk with "assholes" in the title. can we change it or will this make you less thrilled? |
| 22:24.30 | dberkholz | if you have a suggestion i'm open to consideration, but i think catching people's attention is important, especially on the last day. |
| 22:24.47 | dberkholz | is this an independent thought or did someone tell you that? |
| 22:26.10 | lh | dberkholz, this is based on the vocal inflection of "hmmm" as uttered by my manager who was super enthusiastic to hear talk accepted at oscon |
| 22:26.36 | lh | dberkholz, no one has asked me to change it, to be clear. |
| 22:26.44 | lh | will try to think of something as cool |
| 22:26.58 | Catfish_Man | could change it to "managers" |
| 22:27.00 | Catfish_Man | runs |
| 22:27.06 | scorche|sh | lh! |
| 22:27.10 | dberkholz | the main concern i'd expect people to have with the title, from your POV, is that they might think it applies to RH. |
| 22:27.21 | dberkholz | which frankly it does, given the (now-fixed) drepper situation. |
| 22:27.45 | lh | scorche|sh, !! how are you m'dear? |
| 22:27.48 | lh | Catfish_Man, wow. |
| 22:27.50 | lh | just wow. |
| 22:28.01 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: also true but an entirely different talk |
| 22:28.13 | scorche|sh | lh: well - just crazy busy - yourself? |
| 22:28.15 | lh | dberkholz, i think it is more that red hat does enterprise sales and sells to uncle sam so we're a bit more ... erm ... east coast and buttoned up |
| 22:28.22 | lh | scorche|sh, exactly the same. :) |
| 22:28.27 | lh | wanders off in search of a coffee brb |
| 22:28.56 | dberkholz | lh: i'm a little surprised that the program folks let it fly as-is. my POV is that if it's acceptable to oscon, then it's ok |
| 22:29.12 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: yeah - that would be my thought too |
| 22:29.30 | scorche|sh | but, i have interacted with "corporate communications" folks before... |
| 22:29.53 | scorche|sh | lh: we need to find a conference where we will overlap one of these days =) |
| 22:30.08 | dberkholz | there's not one person in an audience i've had who has come to me and said, your title is offensive to me |
| 22:30.36 | dberkholz | it's mostly composed to people nodding their heads and shouting "you said it, brother" |
| 22:30.51 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: shame i wont be able to make it to oscon, or i would love to be your first - just for kicks ;) |
| 22:31.14 | dberkholz | i could reprise it at the gsoc summit, if we're invited. |
| 22:31.24 | scorche|sh | i wont be invited, so... |
| 22:31.33 | dberkholz | it's one of those things that's worth re-doing every few years as new generations of orgs join up |
| 22:31.46 | scorche|sh | yeah - definitely |
| 22:31.49 | dberkholz | scorche|sh: that's because you don't work for google yet |
| 22:32.17 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: eh - i am not good enough for Google, so i dont bother applying |
| 22:33.52 | lh | scorche|sh, oscon? open world forum? grace hopper? linuxcon europe? |
| 22:34.00 | lh | forgets where else she is going this year |
| 22:34.10 | scorche|sh | fails to find an overlap =/ |
| 22:34.34 | lh | dberkholz, it's not that i am worried the audience will be offended. i am more worried that my khaki & button up shirt and tie wearing boss will think i am being childish. |
| 22:34.43 | lh | which, hey, why break the habit of a lifetime ..... |
| 22:35.28 | scorche|sh | lh: well, what sort of role are you in now? |
| 22:35.53 | lh | scorche|sh, near as i can tell, university relations |
| 22:36.17 | lh | scorche|sh, lessee ... i am currently organizing 15 events worldwide, doing speaking gigs, ordering swag and making universities feel the RH love |
| 22:38.22 | dberkholz | lh: will he be at oscon? introduce us regardless, and it will soon become clear whose title it was |
| 22:39.03 | dberkholz | lh: or just tell him the evidence supports it. i've given this talk before, and it's hugely popular and top-rated. people love the blunt honesty of it. |
| 22:39.09 | lh | dberkholz, he won't be at oscon, but will do |
| 22:39.20 | lh | dberkholz, he'd have to object before i tell him evidence supports it. that's not his way. |
| 22:39.30 | lh | will just deal with fall out if there is any |
| 22:39.48 | dberkholz | if i'm ever on the phone/skype/whatever with him, i will bring it up then |
| 22:39.51 | lh | which there likely will not be, other than peeps thinking i am being childish. that's fine, that's not like a barrier to promotion or whatever |
| 22:39.53 | lh | dberkholz, poifect |
| 22:40.07 | scorche|sh | lh: university relations? - "childish" sounds perfect =) |
| 22:40.19 | dberkholz | the childish part is being afraid to mention and be honest about a real problem. elephants in the room, anyone? |
| 22:41.02 | lh | scorche|sh, to the chilluns, yes. to the administrators? no. i think the dude who cracked the human genome isn't going to be all "wow, I <3 your assholes talk" |
| 22:41.11 | lh | then again, he's too busy cracking human genome to care i would think |
| 22:41.16 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: has legal approved your statements yet? ;) |
| 22:41.23 | lh | sees many many elephants, none of them pink |
| 22:41.26 | lh | is it beer o'clock yet? |
| 22:41.36 | scorche|sh | lh: i dunno - i wouldnt be surprised, to be honest ;) |
| 22:41.45 | dberkholz | scorche|sh: you should hear my colleague james. |
| 22:41.58 | dberkholz | that guy could light a wet log on fire with his language |
| 22:42.15 | scorche|sh | that sounds like an entertaining test |
| 22:42.29 | dberkholz | lh: it was 2 hours ago. how do you think i managed to write that blog post so quickly? =) |
| 22:42.31 | scorche|sh | can the log be wet with gasoline? |
| 22:42.55 | lh | dberkholz, at last, all becomes clear |
| 22:43.01 | lh | wants champagne |
| 22:43.14 | lh | fortunately the nice people at http://piepdx.com are about to provide her with some :) |
| 22:45.21 | scorche|sh | lh: welp, we will meet up again one of these days - let me know if you are ever in Phoenix =) |
| 22:45.41 | lh | scorche|sh, i was just in your airport. the food is terrible. |
| 22:46.03 | dberkholz | oh, you fly that airline. i'm sorry. |
| 22:46.10 | lh | scorche|sh, and yes, we shall meet up one of these days. just come to portland. we have bikes and beer and awesome and *delicious* airport cuisine |
| 22:46.14 | lh | like bratwurst. |
| 22:46.17 | scorche|sh | lh: the airport is quite massive, but yes - the food isnt that amazing |
| 22:46.23 | dberkholz | yeah i love gustav's |
| 22:46.33 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: yeah - us airways is one of my least favorite airlines... |
| 22:46.46 | dberkholz | at least southwest will fix some of the terribleness now |
| 22:46.54 | scorche|sh | lh: i have been meaning to take a trip to Portland for a while now - so much awesome food i hear about... |
| 22:47.31 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: eh? |
| 22:47.52 | dberkholz | oh sorry, that was airtran. |
| 22:47.53 | lh | scorche|sh, you totally need to turn up. you can sleep on my couch. |
| 22:47.59 | lh | dberkholz, and yes gustav's is awesome |
| 22:48.08 | dberkholz | scorche|sh: you could get up to oscon for $350 flight. |
| 22:48.20 | scorche|sh | lh: one of these days... =) |
| 22:48.30 | dberkholz | free expo hall pass, free parties, hallway track is golden |
| 22:48.51 | scorche|sh | dberkholz: the issue isnt so much money as a lack of a cloning machine |
| 22:49.18 | lh | scorche|sh, just turn up. it's nice here now. no rain. noms aplenty. |
| 22:49.28 | dberkholz | bbl, gotta get home |
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