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| 07:18.45 | kai | yo, lennie. up late? |
| 07:21.42 | Lennie | kai, in Europe :) |
| 07:21.58 | Lennie | Working from my home country for a week or so :D |
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| 07:24.07 | Ivanovic | kai: got a day off or working today? |
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| 07:25.35 | kai | Lennie: ah, ok :) |
| 07:25.44 | kai | Ivanovic: I'm at work |
| 07:26.04 | Ivanovic | lazy me is enjoying a long weekend |
| 07:26.47 | kai | a couple of friends of mine will be moving to SF in the summer, and I'm planning to visit them before or after the mentor summit, so I need to hold on to my vacation days :) |
| 07:27.01 | Ivanovic | hui |
| 07:27.03 | Ivanovic | yeah, makes sense |
| 07:27.12 | kai | that, and I might need to go to australia again some time in november |
| 07:27.58 | Lennie | Australia is win |
| 07:28.43 | Lennie | I want to go back some day for holiday ^^ |
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| 07:29.25 | kai | I enjoyed going there for LCA, but didn't have much time around the conference |
| 07:30.36 | kai | and my girlfriend has applied for a semester at swinburne university in melbourne, if she gets accepted I'll go visit her after her semester is over |
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| 07:32.39 | kai | Lennie: you still didn't push the melange update for additional mentors, did you? |
| 07:33.07 | kai | no hurry, just going through my gsoc todo list |
| 07:33.27 | Lennie | kai, new release was yesterday |
| 07:33.40 | Lennie | kai, so it should be pushed |
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| 07:34.45 | Lennie | kai, works here :) |
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| 07:37.48 | madrazr | kai: it should! :D |
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| 07:44.47 | kai | ah, right, I was looking for an extra drop-down, but just saw the "add new" link, thanks folks |
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| 08:10.07 | Lennie | madrazr, thanks! |
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| 08:45.19 | vipulnsward | !logs |
| 08:45.19 | gsocbot | vipulnsward: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 08:46.26 | rohandalvi | i need some help with css any css expert here? |
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| 08:48.49 | kai | !gsoc | rohandalvi |
| 08:48.49 | gsocbot | rohandalvi: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation |
| 08:48.56 | kai | hm |
| 08:48.57 | kai | dammit |
| 08:49.04 | kai | someone broke my factoid |
| 08:49.30 | kai | and also not quite accurate... |
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| 08:58.20 | matasbbb | hey, any one from uk and can help with taxes? |
| 08:59.21 | matasbbb | Really need help, as I am not UK nationality, but prefer pay taxes in UK. |
| 08:59.34 | thiago | realises he needs to do his taxes today |
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| 09:00.25 | kai | oh, durn |
| 09:00.31 | kai | :) |
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| 09:11.59 | olly | matasbbb: it's unlikely anyone here would be comfortable giving you tax advice |
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| 09:12.32 | olly | matasbbb: I'd suggest you give HMRC a ring |
| 09:12.35 | matasbbb | Why? if they are they are paying UK taxes, why is hard to explain how system is working? |
| 09:13.00 | matasbbb | (As i can pay taxes in UK, because i study there) |
| 09:13.16 | olly | what is the problem then? |
| 09:15.20 | matasbbb | I do not know what documentation is needed (and where to get tax form) etc. I just need simple explanaition, where and how obtain documents |
| 09:16.18 | olly | you mean the "tax forms" google talk about? |
| 09:16.27 | bretonium | matasbbb: because the information can be false and no one will take such kind of responsibility |
| 09:16.50 | matasbbb | Yes |
| 09:17.22 | olly | matasbbb: if you aren't a US tax payer, then you fill in the foreign certification form |
| 09:17.46 | olly | if you're a US tax payer studying in the UK, I've no idea |
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| 09:19.44 | matasbbb | I am EU citizen, and study in UK. As in website student info: "All students are required to submit a tax form to Google", what document it means in UK? |
| 09:20.44 | olly | the foregoign certication form |
| 09:20.46 | olly | as I said |
| 09:20.52 | olly | *foreign |
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| 09:21.54 | aliq | I guess it's a W8-BEN, olly |
| 09:22.24 | waldi | matasbbb: you have to read _all_ of it |
| 09:23.04 | olly | aliq: I'm not the one asking... |
| 09:23.19 | waldi | aliq: what is W8-BEN? |
| 09:23.22 | aliq | args missed a line |
| 09:23.30 | aliq | matasbbb was meant |
| 09:24.02 | aliq | waldi a form you have to submit to your US employer if you are an alien |
| 09:24.03 | matasbbb | I know how to read information page. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentinfo |
| 09:24.05 | matasbbb | There are "Tax Forms", and then separate "Students Based outside the United States" |
| 09:24.07 | matasbbb | So from that i found that - i need "Tax form" and "Foreign Certification Form" or i am missing the point? |
| 09:25.14 | olly | the tax form is for US, the foreign certification form for non-us |
| 09:25.25 | matasbbb | Thanks. |
| 09:25.26 | olly | you aren't the first to be confused by the wording |
| 09:26.03 | matasbbb | Yes- they should cleary state that in first line. Not say all students need tax form, and then say they dont |
| 09:26.44 | matasbbb | Thanks - sorry for spam ;) |
| 09:27.00 | waldi | matasbbb: its a tax form, the form to specify you won't pay taxes in the US |
| 09:27.15 | waldi | aliq: gsoc students are not employed by an US firm |
| 09:28.55 | olly | the confusing part is that one of the "tax forms" is the "tax form" and the other is the "foreign certification form" |
| 09:30.04 | kai | aliq: I don't think you need a w8-ben |
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| 09:32.03 | kai | aliq: I seem to understand that non-resident aliens contracting while not in the US don't have US income |
| 09:32.35 | kai | at least in the last years, google never required students to fill out a w8-ben |
| 09:32.50 | aliq | i'm no expert, just guessing. prolly google will point to the forms they need in time. :) |
| 09:33.06 | kai | which would be hard to do without an ITIN, and the IRS doesn't give you an ITIN if you don't have US income |
| 09:33.26 | kai | at least that's what I remember from the 2005 google summer of tax |
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| 10:55.21 | raaj | any one from india who knows anything about tax forms ..??? |
| 10:55.28 | raaj | or who have tax forms |
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| 10:57.01 | kai | raaj: did you get an email about this already? |
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| 11:00.31 | MatthewWilkes | kai: I think most students didn't get an email, that's the only reason I can think of that so many of them come here and ask about tax forms instead of just following the instructions |
| 11:01.02 | kai | yeah |
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| 11:04.24 | raaj | @kai .. yeah i got email ..but i am thinking that if any indian student got the tax form from any tax agent then i should take tax from from him because for a country tax forms will be the same .. and i have less contacts with tax agents .. so i am thinking to take this from some indian .. |
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| 11:06.06 | MatthewWilkes | raaj: I'd recommend reading the email again. Google doesn't want any indian forms. |
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| 11:06.51 | raaj | @kai .. 1 thing more that i wants to ask from you .. is their neccessary to have our colleges name in the autosearch ..?? beacause my college name doesn't appear in autosearch |
| 11:08.04 | ojwb | raaj: just type it in if it isn't in the list |
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| 11:08.42 | raaj | ok ojsb .. |
| 11:08.48 | raaj | ok ojwb .. |
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| 11:36.26 | gsocbot | barrbrain: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 15:18.30 | armaan | Quiz: What is the difference in using '#' and '##' during writing macros in "C" programming. |
| 15:19.21 | kai | armaan: example? |
| 15:19.46 | kai | oh, woops, got to catch my bus to get to my bike.. |
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| 15:21.28 | dadkins | example: https://opticks.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/opticks/trunk/future/Code/application/Interfaces/ConfigurationSettings.h |
| 15:22.18 | dadkins | First '#' sign is for the preprocessor (e.g.: #define), using two in a row uses the argument used for the macro, e.g., as a variable name, or, in that example, to generate function names |
| 15:23.09 | dadkins | the formal name is "token concatenation" (ref.: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Concatenation.html) |
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| 15:23.35 | armaan | cool dadkins :) |
| 15:23.42 | sfb | Sadly we use double hashes in Ryzom a bit. |
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| 16:37.51 | asteig | For the past week I haven't been able to log into my dashboard on melange to fill out any of the forms. I get a generic Server Error every time I try to log in. Is there another way I can get to the things I have to fill out? |
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| 16:41.25 | asteig | Nevermind, it finally let me in. :) The forms that I'm supposed to upload, are they being snail mailed to me or do I download them from somewhere? |
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| 16:41.51 | sharvey | asteig: you download them from somewhere |
| 16:42.06 | sharvey | asteig: did you get the initial acceptance e-mail? |
| 16:42.15 | sharvey | asteig: it should have had links to forms |
| 16:42.18 | asteig | Yes, I will dig it out. Thanks. :D |
| 16:42.30 | sharvey | np |
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| 18:26.43 | atermenji | .сдуфк |
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| 18:33.10 | KL-7 | Hi everyone. Am I supposed to print, fill in by hand and scan Foreign Certification Form or there is a better way to "complete and return" it to Google? |
| 18:33.38 | roccivic | KL-7: that's what i did... |
| 18:34.55 | KL-7 | roccivic, and 'printed name' means your name written in printed letters? |
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| 18:37.21 | carols | KL-7: you upload it to melange. |
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| 18:37.50 | nulltin | carols: ping |
| 18:37.54 | carols | nulltin: pong |
| 18:38.08 | nulltin | I have a query about work permit for being a Google contractor, can I please PM you? |
| 18:38.09 | nulltin | (Promise to keep it sort) :) |
| 18:38.18 | carols | sure |
| 18:38.19 | nulltin | *short |
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| 19:06.14 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 19:06.40 | roccivic | well, thanks carols, I'll have some coffee |
| 19:06.47 | carols | great :-) |
| 19:08.23 | brlcad | sips some earl grey while preparing a gsoc announcement |
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| 19:13.15 | kblin | heyas carols |
| 19:13.19 | carols | hey kblin |
| 19:13.21 | carols | how you doing |
| 19:13.22 | carols | ? |
| 19:13.23 | carols | oh! |
| 19:13.27 | carols | i needed something from you |
| 19:13.29 | carols | i'll email you |
| 19:13.36 | kblin | great, looking forward to a holiday tomorrow |
| 19:13.39 | kblin | sure |
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| 19:14.07 | carols | :-) |
| 19:14.19 | carols | gotta go now though |
| 19:14.20 | carols | ttys |
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| 19:18.12 | kblin | see ya :) |
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| 20:11.14 | Soliduser | yay, my IRC Client works :P |
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| 22:24.30 | chemhack | !next |
| 22:24.31 | gsocbot | chemhack: "next" is Community Bonding Period (until May 21): Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. |
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| 23:23.09 | chemhack | has anyone got the package already? |
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| 23:23.34 | roccivic | !patience | chemhack |
| 23:23.35 | gsocbot | chemhack: "patience" is very important for GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
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| 23:56.46 | Calcs88 | any accepted students here? |
| 23:56.51 | Calcs88 | you guys started coding? |
| 23:57.03 | Calcs88 | my org said they are fine if I study now and begin coding may 21 |
| 23:57.54 | ChrisOelmueller | two questions then, are there reasons to assume they weren't honest when saying that? |
| 23:58.19 | ChrisOelmueller | and did they tell you to not code now even if you feel like it? |
| 23:58.41 | ChrisOelmueller | i don't see much else to worry about (hoping those are two "no") :-) |
| 23:58.54 | Calcs88 | eh what? |
| 23:59.12 | Calcs88 | no actually i really need to study |
| 23:59.15 | Calcs88 | to keep good grades |
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| 23:59.33 | Calcs88 | I promised to go full time 8 hours per day after 21 may though |
| 23:59.33 | klocatelli | well right now is community bonding, and then the coding period starts may 21st... |
| 23:59.38 | mmadia | May 21 is the official start of the coding period. |