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| 03:35.48 | tinkujiiya | anyone from worldforge |
| 03:36.29 | tinkujiiya | need help |
| 03:36.31 | tinkujiiya | reply |
| 03:36.38 | tinkujiiya | anyone from worldforge-ember |
| 03:36.41 | tinkujiiya | reply |
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| 03:37.32 | ojwb | !anyone | tinkujiiya |
| 03:37.32 | gsocbot | tinkujiiya: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 03:37.58 | tinkujiiya | user who are online |
| 03:38.17 | SinnerShanky_ | go on tinkujiiya. i've applied for worldforge. what do u need help with. i might be able to help u! |
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| 03:38.48 | tinkujiiya | @SinnerShanky : ember?? |
| 03:39.02 | SinnerShanky | nope. ryzom |
| 03:39.10 | SinnerShanky | u've applied for ember? |
| 03:39.29 | tinkujiiya | yea... i have applied for ember |
| 03:39.39 | SinnerShanky | for which project? |
| 03:39.48 | tinkujiiya | Integrate the google breakpad |
| 03:39.54 | SinnerShanky | and still what do u need help with? |
| 03:40.02 | SinnerShanky | i might be able to help |
| 03:40.28 | tinkujiiya | actually i forgot to submit the patch (ember prerequisites) |
| 03:40.40 | SinnerShanky | oh.. |
| 03:40.42 | tinkujiiya | and I formated my system few days back |
| 03:40.59 | SinnerShanky | well, you have the patch with u right now? |
| 03:41.12 | tinkujiiya | and now I am getting some error during compiling ember |
| 03:41.21 | SinnerShanky | oh.. |
| 03:41.22 | tinkujiiya | I don't have the patch |
| 03:41.27 | SinnerShanky | okk |
| 03:41.30 | tinkujiiya | I need it |
| 03:42.03 | SinnerShanky | the best thing would be to connect to their irc |
| 03:42.09 | tinkujiiya | I have figured out the compile time error problem, but not the run time error as the package is not compiling |
| 03:42.17 | SinnerShanky | and talk to them about it |
| 03:42.21 | SinnerShanky | directly |
| 03:42.49 | tinkujiiya | I hv talked to them, they said your application would only be considered if u submit the patch for both the errors |
| 03:43.07 | tinkujiiya | Do you have ember installed in your system |
| 03:43.07 | tinkujiiya | ?? |
| 03:43.16 | SinnerShanky | nope |
| 03:43.29 | tinkujiiya | means you cant help me |
| 03:43.32 | tinkujiiya | :'( |
| 03:43.44 | SinnerShanky | yeaa...i cant |
| 03:43.52 | MatthewWilkes | tinkujiiya: I'd guess they probably want you to figure it out yourself anyway |
| 03:44.20 | tinkujiiya | Yea, but I am getting some errors while compiling the package ember |
| 03:45.02 | MatthewWilkes | Students helping each other and learning from each other is certainly encouraged, but part of the point of a patch pre-requisite is proving that you can follow install documentation and meet the minimum standards for submitting a patch |
| 03:45.39 | MatthewWilkes | I don't know what Ember is, but I'd guess they have install docs? |
| 03:45.45 | tinkujiiya | Yea I understand, i ve figured out one of the problem |
| 03:46.00 | klocatelli | wasn't the task to fix a compile error? or was that a different one.... |
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| 03:46.48 | klocatelli | ... we require that any student submitting an application for Ember submits patches for the two errors in this special Ember code drop. There's one compilation time error, and one error which will be apparent during runtime |
| 03:47.01 | klocatelli | :/ |
| 03:47.22 | tinkujiiya | I have fixed the compile time error |
| 03:47.42 | klocatelli | but... you just said you have compile errors... |
| 03:48.54 | tinkujiiya | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libOgreMain.so.1.7.4, needed by /usr/local/lib/libCEGUIOgreRenderer.so, may conflict with libOgreMain.so.1.7.3 |
| 03:48.54 | tinkujiiya | /usr/bin/ld: ../../src/components/ogre/libEmberOgre.a(ColouredListItem.o): undefined reference to symbol 'CEGUI::ListboxTextItem::draw(CEGUI::GeometryBuffer&, CEGUI::Rect const&, float, CEGUI::Rect const*) const' |
| 03:48.54 | tinkujiiya | /usr/bin/ld: note: 'CEGUI::ListboxTextItem::draw(CEGUI::GeometryBuffer&, CEGUI::Rect const&, float, CEGUI::Rect const*) const' is defined in DSO /usr/local/lib/libCEGUIBase-0.7.6.so so try adding it to the linker command line |
| 03:48.54 | tinkujiiya | /usr/local/lib/libCEGUIBase-0.7.6.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 03:48.55 | tinkujiiya | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 03:48.57 | tinkujiiya | make[2]: *** [ember.bin] Error 1 |
| 03:48.59 | tinkujiiya | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/hah/TOOLS/ember-gsoc2012/src/main' |
| 03:49.01 | tinkujiiya | make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 03:49.08 | tinkujiiya | I am getting these errors |
| 03:49.25 | tinkujiiya | Hey Klocatelli, have you applied for ember?? |
| 03:49.30 | klocatelli | ok well this isn't the right channel for debugging help ^_^ |
| 03:49.54 | tinkujiiya | have you applied for ember |
| 03:49.56 | klocatelli | nah, I went with another project in the end |
| 03:50.06 | tinkujiiya | which project? |
| 03:50.16 | klocatelli | secret ^_^ |
| 03:50.43 | const | blames tinkujiiya |
| 03:50.56 | tinkujiiya | hmm, do you have ember installed on your system |
| 03:50.58 | tinkujiiya | ? |
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| 03:51.25 | klocatelli | I'm not going to help you debug that, go join the appropriate channel it's not on-topic for this one |
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| 03:51.45 | tinkujiiya | ohk |
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| 03:52.28 | ojwb | tinkujiiya: you're also asking us to do your qualifying task for you |
| 03:52.41 | tinkujiiya | no |
| 03:52.54 | tinkujiiya | I was just asking for help |
| 03:53.03 | ojwb | well, asking for help isn't a problem, but do it in the worldforge channel so they can see how you interact |
| 03:53.14 | tinkujiiya | ohk |
| 03:54.20 | ojwb | i can't speak for worldforge, but for me a large part of the purpose of asking for a patch is to see how the student approaches a problem |
| 03:55.14 | klocatelli | ojwb, if you don't mind me asking... how large of a patch do you expect on average for a qualifying patch |
| 03:55.41 | klocatelli | er |
| 03:55.45 | klocatelli | rather, difficulty |
| 03:56.08 | klocatelli | as in like.... 20 minutes (plus getting everything running), 3 hours, etc |
| 03:57.27 | ojwb | it needs to be non-trivial enough to get a useful idea of skills, etc, but i'd guess hours rather than days anyway - we realise most students have classes currently |
| 03:57.36 | ojwb | but orgs vary a lot |
| 03:58.07 | ojwb | some don't ask for a patch at all (though an unsolicited patch is still likely to look good) |
| 03:58.43 | klocatelli | yeah, the one I applied to didn't even request patches but I did anyway... just curious how it compared to other orgs that actually wanted patches |
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| 03:58.58 | tinkujiiya | hmm |
| 04:01.44 | ojwb | patch size often isn't a good reflection of difficulty - I've spent days on things which turned out to be a single line change, even a single character sometimes |
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| 04:03.28 | tinkujiiya | ojwb: you belong to which organisation |
| 04:03.59 | ojwb | xapian |
| 04:04.02 | klocatelli | yeah, that's why I tried to correct myself with "rather, difficulty" :P |
| 04:04.12 | ojwb | yeah |
| 04:04.44 | tinkujiiya | ok |
| 04:04.58 | ojwb | for these purposes, a single character change patch probably isn't very informative, unless we see the process leading to it (via public discussions on irc or lists) |
| 04:05.42 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: like adding a semicolon? |
| 04:05.43 | ojwb | though it does at least show you've managed to check out and build the code |
| 04:05.54 | ojwb | doesn't like adding a semicolon |
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| 04:39.37 | konr | !next |
| 04:39.38 | gsocbot | konr: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 04:42.04 | sainyam | hi |
| 04:42.21 | sainyam | can i apply for a project in gsoc now |
| 04:42.38 | sainyam | i was not able to apply till deadline |
| 04:42.42 | konr | unfortunately not, my friend |
| 04:43.14 | konr | the world is cruel |
| 04:43.21 | konr | cold is its gruel! |
| 04:43.48 | ojwb | or to put a positive spin on it, you're ahead of the pack for working on your GSoC 2013 application |
| 04:43.51 | sainyam | but i have a mentor which will surely volunteer for my project if i am able to apply |
| 04:44.20 | ojwb | sainyam: there are no deadline extensions, sorry |
| 04:44.29 | sainyam | also the first selection of projects is due this friday in my organization |
| 04:45.06 | ojwb | but the deadline for applying was 6th |
| 04:45.23 | ojwb | you're 1.5 weeks past that |
| 04:45.27 | konr | I fear you might not be totally aware of gsoc's rules, sainyam |
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| 04:46.52 | sainyam | i knew of deadline but my mentor replied just recently |
| 04:47.11 | sainyam | and he is ready if anyhow i can apply |
| 04:47.43 | sainyam | meanwhile i think admins have power to allow late applications if they wish |
| 04:48.15 | ChrisOelmueller | they don't. |
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| 04:49.15 | ojwb | only google can do that and they firmly refuse |
| 04:49.28 | sainyam | I didnt have the enough technical facilities at that moment to apply (internet was one of them) |
| 04:49.59 | SinnerShanky | sainyam: that would make it biased. No one will have trust in them. So, its not possible |
| 04:50.08 | sainyam | Is there any way, I can talk to goole |
| 04:50.18 | sainyam | ? |
| 04:50.23 | ChrisOelmueller | no matter how many excuses you may bring up now, the deadline has passed weeks ago and there is no way to participate now. you are, however, very welcome to work with organizations outside of gsoc |
| 04:50.40 | SinnerShanky | u are in google's irc |
| 04:50.53 | SinnerShanky | had they agreed. they would have replied |
| 04:51.19 | ojwb | !extension | sainyam |
| 04:51.19 | gsocbot | sainyam: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 04:51.46 | SinnerShanky | however, if u still think something can be done goto #melange |
| 04:51.46 | ojwb | has seen people ask carols directly, and the answer is always a polite but firm no |
| 04:52.21 | SinnerShanky | !extension | sainyam |
| 04:52.21 | gsocbot | sainyam: "extension" is extension is not available, sorry. You can work on open source outside GSoC and submit earlier next year. If you want to work on Open Source projects, you can usually use the same contact details you would have used for applying to GSoC. |
| 04:52.25 | ojwb | as an admin, even if I had the power to accept a late application, I wouldn't this late on anyway |
| 04:52.58 | ojwb | if you can't manage to hit an 11 day application window and only speak up 1.5 weeks later, that's a very poor indicator for having a good summer mentoring you |
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| 04:55.25 | ojwb | is amazed how late people turn up expecting to get an extension or exception |
| 04:55.48 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: You think that's bad? sainyam is actually asking about GSoC 2010 |
| 04:56.09 | ojwb | hoho |
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| 04:56.40 | SinnerShanky | omg! 2010!! i sense some craziness. :D |
| 04:57.53 | ashfall_ | IIRC, Xorg had a GSoC-like program with flexible dates, maybe those who missed the deadline could try that out. I'm not sure on the details though. |
| 04:58.21 | myth17 | also there is ruby summer of code I believe |
| 04:58.31 | ojwb | and summer of kde |
| 04:58.39 | ojwb | and gnome has similar stuff I think |
| 04:58.53 | ojwb | and most open source org are happy to mentor newcomers |
| 04:59.09 | myth17 | I am still clueless on how many initial slots did my mentoring org received... |
| 04:59.51 | ojwb | myth17: does it matter? |
| 04:59.52 | ashfall_ | Yes, a little bit of googling about open source SoCs would help them find stuff to do, if they are really interested... |
| 04:59.53 | MatthewWilkes | myth17: Somewhere between 1 and 150, I'd guess ;) |
| 05:00.13 | myth17 | ojwb: MatthewWilkes just curious ;) |
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| 05:01.14 | klocatelli | really wishes he'd known about these SoC programs earlier :< |
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| 05:02.23 | myth17 | a twitter search on #gsoc gives some numbers :) |
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| 05:06.31 | ashfall_ | rubysoc website hasn't been updated since 2010. I wonder if it's still conducted... |
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| 07:28.43 | Prime | -When does the dedup starts? |
| 07:29.21 | klocatelli | isn't it the 20th? |
| 07:29.24 | klocatelli | !next |
| 07:29.25 | gsocbot | klocatelli: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
| 07:29.32 | klocatelli | yep |
| 07:29.36 | Prime | hmm.. |
| 07:29.41 | Prime | it ends on 20th |
| 07:30.03 | klocatelli | it says it starts on the 20th too |
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| 07:31.05 | Prime | Are you a mentor? |
| 07:31.16 | klocatelli | nope |
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| 07:41.15 | tinkujiiya | helo |
| 07:42.00 | klocatelli | hi again! |
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| 07:44.58 | tinkujiiya | hello again |
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| 07:45.25 | klocatelli | did you get ember working? |
| 07:46.30 | Prime | Any mentor here? |
| 07:47.01 | tinkujiiya | nope |
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| 07:47.03 | tinkujiiya | :( |
| 07:47.28 | olly | !anyone | Prime |
| 07:47.28 | gsocbot | Prime: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 07:47.45 | klocatelli | just ask your Q, if they're around they'll answer when they can ;) and if they're not around... well, they can't answer "any mentor here?" either :P |
| 07:48.21 | tinkujiiya | hmmm |
| 07:48.22 | olly | or that, if it's actually a generic question |
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| 07:52.46 | tinkujiiya | Klocatelli : you are from which country |
| 07:52.47 | tinkujiiya | ? |
| 07:52.55 | klocatelli | US |
| 07:53.04 | klocatelli | why? |
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| 07:55.21 | tinkujiiya | nothning |
| 07:55.27 | tinkujiiya | just wanted to know |
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| 07:56.33 | klocatelli | and it looks like you're from India :) |
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| 08:09.00 | tinkujiiya | yea, you are right, but how you guessed?? |
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| 08:15.17 | klocatelli | you can see most user IP or hostname apparently |
| 08:15.33 | klocatelli | yours was in india ^_^ |
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| 10:32.47 | LekS_By | Someone knows exactly that he will be accepted? |
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| 10:34.31 | kai | sure, by the time the accepted projects list is published |
| 10:34.53 | kai | everything before that is a delusion, not knowledge |
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| 10:41.04 | LekS_By | That caused by different opinions in orgs? |
| 10:41.10 | LekS_By | inside* |
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| 11:00.23 | ojwb | LekS_By: the main issue is that students may be accepted by more than one org, and resolving those conflicts has knock on effects |
| 11:00.41 | ojwb | though orgs aren't required to have finalised selections for a while yet |
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| 11:04.44 | LekS_By | ojwb: waiting results is a good motivating factor also) |
| 11:05.23 | ojwb | google do ask us (the orgs that is) not to discuss who we are accepting before the announcement |
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| 11:17.27 | LekS_By | yesterday I eventually come across good proposal of student from my univer (prev GSoC). It was rather canonical, was very proud of him)) |
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| 12:57.58 | ayush_ | Hi, did anyone apply to geogebra? |
| 12:59.49 | |Kev| | !poll | ayush_ |
| 12:59.49 | gsocbot | ayush_: "poll" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
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| 13:46.28 | pokoko222 | what are the statistics for gsoc students? |
| 13:46.37 | pokoko222 | the experience helps them get good jobs? |
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| 13:51.22 | sfb | pokoko222: One of my students last year used his work for our game to get an internship at a video game studio. |
| 13:51.33 | sfb | OK. |
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| 13:52.13 | flaushy | sfb: which project are you from? wesnoth? |
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| 13:55.56 | sfb | flaushy: Ryzom Core under the umbrella of the vastly generous WorldForge |
| 13:56.24 | flaushy | ah thx :) |
| 13:57.31 | sfb | np |
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| 13:59.15 | robjo | Is there anyway for a student to submit a late proposal? |
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| 13:59.42 | sfb | No. |
| 13:59.44 | thgil | robjo: Way to late to consider that now |
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| 13:59.55 | robjo | Thanks |
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| 14:00.45 | sfb | flaushy: Are you a student who applied on a games project? |
| 14:01.48 | flaushy | sfb: nope. I just find it great that there are several games in gsoc |
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| 14:04.19 | sfb | flaushy: http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2012/03/summer-of-code-earn-money-developing.html |
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| 14:05.22 | flaushy | nice |
| 14:05.40 | flaushy | we need more games to apply for next year |
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| 14:05.56 | sfb | The acceptance of games I think is a little limited. |
| 14:06.09 | sfb | It's not that games don't apply. |
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| 14:08.55 | flaushy | well sure. I think that very limited orgs get accepted anyhow. |
| 14:09.26 | flaushy | but it would be a great way to find young devs and encouraging for them, if they succeed |
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| 14:11.11 | |Kev| | sfb: Do you think it's disproportionately few game orgs that get accepted? |
| 14:12.17 | sfb | |Kev|: I know that the only way Ryzom Core gets student slots is to piggy back another org. |
| 14:12.52 | sfb | |Kev|: Which I think is a better solution for many open source games. Some go through Mozilla (JS and HTML5 based games) and some go through Python. |
| 14:13.54 | sfb | |Kev|: Some others go through KDE. So its hard to really say how many are getting slots but given that on the list only 3 games were directly selected... |
| 14:14.01 | sfb | |Kev|: But 4 engines were selected. |
| 14:14.06 | sfb | |Kev|: So I don't know. |
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| 14:14.24 | sfb | |Kev|: Weigh the importance of Ryzom Core against an org like, say OpenMRS. |
| 14:14.26 | tomprince | Well, I know that a number of people were told, go with an umbrella, because of limited number of org slots available. |
| 14:15.27 | |Kev| | sfb: Interesting, I hadn't considered it. |
| 14:16.06 | sfb | tomprince: I was chatting with one of the WF people and joked that there should be a FOSS Games umbrella org. |
| 14:16.22 | sfb | tomprince: The joke came up because WF hosts CEGUI and Ryzom Core now. |
| 14:16.31 | |Kev| | See that doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. |
| 14:16.39 | |Kev| | In fact, that sounds like a bloody great idea if someone arranged it. |
| 14:16.49 | flaushy | yeah |
| 14:16.55 | sfb | There in lies the rub! |
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| 14:18.14 | JordiGH | Btw, I'll whoop y'all's asses in Wesnoth. Any day, any time. |
| 14:18.32 | sfb | haha |
| 14:18.34 | |Kev| | I won't. I largely suck at Wesnoth. |
| 14:18.56 | sfb | I haven't played it in... well it had a different name when I played it last I think. |
| 14:19.03 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 14:19.20 | sfb | So when I was sitting with the Wesnoth guys at the Mentor Summit I was blown away at how far its come. (= |
| 14:19.31 | flaushy | yeah it is amazing :) |
| 14:19.47 | blast007 | I've only played it on a 4" screen. (Nokia N800) ;) |
| 14:21.24 | gevaerts | sfb: I don't think it was ever renamed |
| 14:21.35 | gevaerts | remembers playing wesnoth 0.4 |
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| 14:21.50 | kai | Ivanovic should know |
| 14:21.55 | sfb | gevaerts: You're right. |
| 14:22.02 | JordiGH | Wouldn't sirp know? |
| 14:22.04 | sfb | gevaerts: A brief Google corrected me. |
| 14:22.08 | JordiGH | sirp predates Ivanovic. |
| 14:22.22 | sfb | gevaerts: I was thinking of FreeCraft, Stratagus, et al |
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| 14:22.46 | gevaerts | JordiGH: people in this channel are more likely to answer :) |
| 14:23.24 | kai | also I like to blame Ivanovic for stuff |
| 14:24.04 | JordiGH | I was so disappointed when I found out he isn't Slavic. |
| 14:24.14 | sfb | hahah |
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| 14:26.39 | yashshah_ | !next |
| 14:26.40 | gsocbot | yashshah_: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
| 14:27.56 | JordiGH | Hm, we have general/ and miscellaneous/ category for scripts in our repo. Maybe we should add various/ etc/ and others/. |
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| 15:19.28 | ChrisOelmueller | JordiGH: oh! and stuff/! |
| 15:19.48 | JordiGH | ChrisOelmueller: Capital idea, old chap1 |
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| 15:45.11 | bretonium | !deduplication |
| 15:45.17 | gsocbot | bretonium: "deduplication" is on April 20th: 19:00 UTC in #gsoc for people who can take deduplication decisions on behalf of the orgs. Usually this means an admin, but a mentor can represent the org as well. |
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| 15:46.48 | bretonium | will the students be asked what organization do they want to go to or it will be decided by someone else? |
| 15:47.42 | |Kev| | bretonium: They might be asked. |
| 15:47.56 | gevaerts | Also, most deduplication will be done before that |
| 15:48.18 | |Kev| | bretonium: Oh, you mean during the meeting? No, students aren't likely to be asked if they're still a duplicate then. |
| 15:48.36 | |Kev| | They're only likely to be asked in earlier rounds of dedup - the meeting is the last chance to get things sorted. |
| 15:49.36 | JordiGH | I'll be damned: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/tmp/dedup.jpg |
| 15:50.59 | JordiGH | I think that's why I think it's such a weird word. The "de-" doesn't sound like negation. The botanical meaning of deduplication means to split or separate into two or more things... |
| 15:51.27 | gevaerts | JordiGH: but can students be thought of as organs? |
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| 15:52.45 | JordiGH | I think I still prefer the word "consolidation". |
| 15:52.51 | JordiGH | Uniquify? |
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| 15:55.07 | JordiGH | Unplicate! |
| 15:55.09 | JordiGH | I like that. |
| 15:55.12 | JordiGH | Unplication. |
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| 16:07.21 | sumit786raj | hey ! how many students applied for gsoc 2012 and how many are expected to be selected ??? |
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| 16:07.30 | JordiGH | !stats |
| 16:07.30 | gsocbot | JordiGH: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 16:07.34 | JordiGH | !statistics |
| 16:07.34 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "statistics" is see !numapps |
| 16:07.37 | JordiGH | !numapps |
| 16:07.37 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 16:07.38 | thgil | !numapps |
| 16:07.39 | gsocbot | thgil: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 16:12.00 | sumit786raj | being a newbie do I have chances of getting accepted in gsoc 2012 ? |
| 16:12.17 | dzhus | yes |
| 16:12.17 | JordiGH | Yes, your probability of being accepted is nonzero. |
| 16:12.49 | sumit786raj | oh...thanks |
| 16:12.57 | JordiGH | Since, in 2005 the newbie acceptance rate was 100%. |
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| 16:13.10 | JordiGH | sumit786raj: Also: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 16:16.11 | vytas | sumit786raj, being a newbie doesn't mean no efforts :P in case you would get it wrongly |
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| 16:25.29 | JordiGH | sumit786raj: Please keep the discussion here. I prefer to speak in public. |
| 16:25.56 | JordiGH | sumit786raj: I mentored last year for Octave, I am hoping to do so again this year, and Octave is under GNU. |
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| 17:00.02 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:00.44 | sonney2k | !next |
| 17:00.46 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 17:01.22 | sonney2k | carols, when are you running the dedup checks? |
| 17:01.29 | carols | sonney2k: funny you ask. |
| 17:01.31 | carols | right now. |
| 17:01.43 | JordiGH | is nervous. |
| 17:01.49 | JordiGH | Give us slots, give us slots... |
| 17:01.57 | sonney2k | enjoys the tea and relaxes |
| 17:02.02 | ashfall_ | is nervous too. |
| 17:02.26 | sonney2k | JordiGH, at least the one slot I 'donated' is gone - so hope for the best :) |
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| 17:02.34 | gevaerts | JordiGH: can I have some of your extra slots? |
| 17:02.40 | JordiGH | No! My slots! Mine! |
| 17:02.45 | JordiGH | My precious! |
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| 17:03.39 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 17:06.59 | JordiGH | I'm actually reading The Two Towers these days. |
| 17:07.15 | sonney2k | checks melange |
| 17:07.18 | sonney2k | yay! |
| 17:07.21 | sonney2k | all green |
| 17:07.22 | JordiGH | What? |
| 17:07.34 | sonney2k | no conflicts |
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| 17:07.38 | sonney2k | dups |
| 17:07.40 | sonney2k | you name it |
| 17:07.53 | JordiGH | Is that only for admins? |
| 17:08.24 | JordiGH | Ah, one red here. |
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| 17:08.38 | sonney2k | not too bad |
| 17:08.41 | meflin | so green good, red bad? |
| 17:08.50 | sonney2k | green == pending accept |
| 17:08.53 | sonney2k | red == conflict |
| 17:09.01 | carols | meflin: as with most things in life, yes. |
| 17:09.04 | sonney2k | JordiGH, but not for octave or? |
| 17:09.10 | JordiGH | sonney2k: No, for Gnash. |
| 17:09.29 | meflin | life is good then :) |
| 17:09.32 | JordiGH | I care a little about Gnash... I hope they can fix this. |
| 17:09.55 | JordiGH | "Should accept" is only for the amazing projects, right? I think that's how the GNU admins used this field. |
| 17:10.32 | JordiGH | Because we have far less "should accept" than preliminary slot allocation. |
| 17:10.49 | |Kev| | No. |
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| 17:11.01 | |Kev| | Should accept is the ones you're expecting to accept |
| 17:11.04 | JordiGH | :O |
| 17:11.11 | JordiGH | Why so few? |
| 17:12.01 | sonney2k | JordiGH, there should be as many should accept as you have #slots |
| 17:12.10 | JordiGH | There are far less! |
| 17:12.27 | JordiGH | 8 slots that haven't been allocated yet. |
| 17:12.41 | sonney2k | wtf? |
| 17:12.57 | JordiGH | Did the GNU admins drop the ball? |
| 17:12.58 | sonney2k | better ask the admins whats going on |
| 17:13.18 | |Kev| | JordiGH: You complain about everyone's use of words and then use 'less' when you should use 'fewer'? Shame on you :p |
| 17:13.46 | JordiGH | |Kev|: Now *that* is silly prescriptivism. I only complain when I don't understand at first what people are saying. |
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| 17:15.21 | |Kev| | Hmm. One conflict. That could be worse, I guess. |
| 17:15.41 | tzbob | do students have to wait until the 23rd to find out if they're accepted? |
| 17:15.49 | JordiGH | tzbob: Yes. |
| 17:16.25 | mcb30 | Does that mean that we can't talk to the student concerned when resolving duplicates? |
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| 17:16.28 | gevaerts | Technically no. Until the 23rd nobody is accepted at all |
| 17:16.35 | carols | tzbob: yes |
| 17:16.36 | JordiGH | There's still time to allocate slots, right? |
| 17:16.41 | agliodbs | carols: to give up a slot, I just use the melange widget, correct? |
| 17:16.47 | carols | agliodbs: correct. |
| 17:17.05 | tzbob | eep can a student find out how many slots an org gets? |
| 17:17.14 | carols | tzbob: you're welcome to ask them. |
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| 17:17.19 | carols | but it's their choice if they tell you. |
| 17:17.31 | LetterRip | carols - how do we go about giving you back slots? |
| 17:17.39 | agliodbs | LetterRip: there's a widget in melange |
| 17:17.42 | carols | LetterRip: use the melange tool as instructed in my email. |
| 17:17.45 | LetterRip | ah ok |
| 17:17.56 | agliodbs | Dashboard --> Organization --> Transfer Slots |
| 17:17.56 | LetterRip | doh - overlooked it - will reread :) |
| 17:18.01 | LetterRip | thanks |
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| 17:19.07 | |Kev| | carols: I've never had a conflict before. How should we resolve it if we want the student to have a choice? Anything we say makes it obvious they're accepted, I think. |
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| 17:19.36 | carols | |Kev|: you're welcome to reach out to the student if you want to give him or her the choice. but please don't say he/she was accepted. |
| 17:19.55 | carols | no one has been accepted yet :-) |
| 17:20.05 | |Kev| | "Hi, did you apply to other orgs. If you did, do you have preferences between them?" |
| 17:20.14 | carols | sure, that's fine with me. |
| 17:20.18 | tzbob | *starts hoping for questions like that* |
| 17:20.35 | carols | also, it's our policy that if the student applied to multiple orgs we can assume he/she would be willing to work for any of them. |
| 17:20.44 | carols | otherwise, why would they have applied to those orgs? |
| 17:20.49 | carols | but again, you're welcome to ask. |
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| 17:22.14 | agliodbs | carols: ok, one slot transferred back into the pool |
| 17:22.18 | carols | thanks agliodbs |
| 17:22.22 | agliodbs | you might get another one by Friday |
| 17:22.30 | carols | great, thanks again |
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| 17:22.39 | agliodbs | I have one more project I want to take, but am having issues finding the right mentor for it |
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| 17:23.20 | tzbob | how many slots are available in total? I'm just curious to compare it to the total amount of proposals |
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| 17:24.46 | carols | tzbob: you'll know that when we announce accepted students. |
| 17:25.10 | tzbob | haha okay, guess I'm just impatient :P |
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| 17:25.13 | Prime | Carols: dedup done? |
| 17:25.23 | carols | Prime: as per my email to the mentors list? |
| 17:25.37 | Prime | Hmm.. yes |
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| 17:25.49 | carols | Prime: then what question can i answer? :-) |
| 17:26.11 | Prime | haha |
| 17:26.11 | Prime | Nevermind... |
| 17:26.17 | carols | ok :-) |
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| 17:30.53 | Ivanovic | kai: it is so unfair of you to blame me especially while i am on a business trip or just back from it with a bad jetlag... |
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| 17:32.46 | |Kev| | reaches out to conflicting orgs. |
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| 17:35.16 | |Kev| | carols: Have you just re-run the script? Someone who was marked as a dupe has just changed to not a dupe. |
| 17:35.27 | carols | |Kev|: i rerun it about once an hour. |
| 17:35.31 | carols | so give it a sec. |
| 17:36.11 | |Kev| | We had a three-way conflict. I always assumed the odds of that were vanishingly small, but there we go :) |
| 17:36.19 | Lennie | It should automatically rerun every hour iirc |
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| 17:37.09 | |Kev| | OK, thanks. |
| 17:37.44 | |Kev| | Well, unless the status is incorrect while the script's running, I guess that means the other two orgs have replaced $STUDENT. Cool. |
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| 17:38.44 | LetterRip | |Kev|: is it periodically rerunning? |
| 17:38.59 | |Kev| | LetterRip: See above :) |
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| 17:39.07 | |Kev| | Ah, no. |
| 17:39.23 | |Kev| | I gather from this that all students are marked not conflicting when the run starts, and then marked as conflicting during the run. |
| 17:39.31 | |Kev| | So it was a false negative. |
| 17:40.13 | Fridrich | I saw a conflicting and I refreshed and it is not conflicting anymore, is it better to wait some hours before one takes action? |
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| 17:40.52 | Fridrich | and conflicting again |
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| 17:41.07 | LetterRip | Fridrich: depends on the action you were going to take :) |
| 17:41.38 | Fridrich | LetterRip: trying to discuss with the other administrators |
| 17:41.56 | LetterRip | I'd go ahead and contact the other admin |
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| 17:42.08 | LetterRip | but that is just me :) |
| 17:42.19 | masquerade | Fridrich: the script is likely still running, so I would maybe wait another hour or two |
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| 17:45.55 | Lennie | carols, do you press the recalculate button manually? |
| 17:46.06 | carols | Lennie: i did the first time... |
| 17:46.11 | Lennie | k, np |
| 17:46.14 | Lennie | carols, just like last year it reruns every hour automatically :) |
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| 17:46.21 | carols | right, i'm aware, thanks :-) |
| 17:46.35 | Lennie | just less for you to think about :D |
| 17:46.38 | JordiGH | I'm pretty sure the GNU admins didn't allocate some slots they intended to allocate... there's still time to fix this, right? |
| 17:47.00 | tomprince | Yes. |
| 17:47.23 | Fridrich | given our time-zone, I cannot get concensus of our mentors before ~10 hours :( |
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| 17:47.44 | tomprince | JordiGH: I think the deadline for that is 7 UTC the day dedupe. (But check the timeline. |
| 17:48.39 | LetterRip | Fridrich: hmm we tend to have the admin have executive decision making authority |
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| 17:48.53 | JordiGH | Okay, so the thing carols just ran is preliminary? |
| 17:49.24 | carols | JordiGH: i don't think i understand what you mean by preliminary, unless you mean it will change? it will, of course, as orgs resolve their duplicates |
| 17:49.25 | Fridrich | LetterRip: yup, I will have to do it anyway, but I prefer to lose in the process as few friends as possible |
| 17:49.29 | LetterRip | JordiGH: yes - but good to mark them asap - so dups detected |
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| 17:49.39 | LetterRip | Fridrich: hehe |
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| 17:50.08 | LetterRip | Fridrich: hmm if that would happen, probably need to work on org communication issues :) |
| 17:50.15 | JordiGH | carols: Well, if we still have a bunch of slots to assign, we can still do so? And they will be automatically marked as conflicting if necessary? |
| 17:50.25 | carols | JordiGH: yes. |
| 17:50.26 | Lennie | JordiGH, they'll within the hour |
| 17:50.40 | Fridrich | ah, communication issues are overhead steeling from precious coding time |
| 17:50.53 | LetterRip | heh |
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| 18:02.14 | dzhus | what are the conflicts everyone is worried about? multiple acceptions? |
| 18:02.15 | dzhus | (slowpoke.jpg) |
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| 18:02.27 | carols | dzhus: you've read my email, yes? |
| 18:02.28 | JordiGH | dzhus: Yeah. |
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| 18:02.53 | JordiGH | dzhus: Students who got accepted for more than one org. |
| 18:03.55 | dzhus | carols: I haven't received any emails from you but I think this is because I'm not org admin. |
| 18:04.09 | carols | dzhus: are you on the mentors list or did you unsubscribe? |
| 18:04.26 | vikash | !next |
| 18:04.27 | gsocbot | vikash: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
| 18:04.58 | dzhus | carols: I'm a student, just asking |
| 18:04.59 | dzhus | :) |
| 18:05.05 | ChrisOelmueller | |Kev|: wow, a triple conflict is Quite Interesting |
| 18:05.11 | carols | dzhus: oh, you're a student. i see |
| 18:05.23 | |Kev| | ChrisOelmueller: Good innit? |
| 18:05.55 | dzhus | would be interesting to see the «original number of students» stats and compare it to roughly 30% acceptance rate for the program. sort of 80/20 here? |
| 18:05.59 | JordiGH | ChrisOelmueller: Detriplication! |
| 18:06.11 | dzhus | oops, «original number of conflicts» I mean |
| 18:06.13 | ChrisOelmueller | :-) |
| 18:06.50 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I believe the "limit number of applications?" thread on the ML has been a bit dead recently. Maybe you should revive it |
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| 18:08.46 | JLuc | !next |
| 18:08.47 | gsocbot | JLuc: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 18:28.33 | agliodbs | I'm an admin and I need to add one more mentor. I can't seem to find the melange link for adding a mentor. Can someone remind me where in the UI it is? |
| 18:28.50 | waldi | the mentor need to apply themself |
| 18:29.20 | agliodbs | well, there was a way for me to invite them |
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| 18:29.33 | agliodbs | I just don't remember where that is |
| 18:29.41 | ChrisOelmueller | in the header of your organization profile |
| 18:29.49 | SukhE | agliodbs: My organizations > (Your org) > Invite Mentor |
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| 18:30.29 | agliodbs | SukhE, ChrisOelmueller thanks! |
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| 18:43.05 | kscottz | Hi, I am a mentor and I have quick questions about acceptance / slots. |
| 18:43.52 | thgil | kscottz: Go ahead |
| 18:44.31 | kscottz | So we have four slots. I have narrowed it down to four students. One student may have an application to another org, so we have an alternate selected just in case. |
| 18:45.07 | kscottz | I want to know how I go about relating that to google through Melange? I was thinking to accept all five, but then assign mentors to the four that are the first choices. |
| 18:45.57 | gevaerts | kscottz: you accept four, and if there are duplicates you'll see them |
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| 18:46.13 | Fridrich | kscottz: what we normally do is to discuss with the admins of the other orga and then just set to "should accept" false that one you handed to the other organization |
| 18:46.21 | Fridrich | kscottz: still will be some time to do that |
| 18:46.48 | kscottz | Okay. I am not sure if it will be an issue or not. I just wanted to keep an alternate student around if any issues came up with the other four. |
| 18:47.00 | gevaerts | The duplicate detection is run once an hour I believe |
| 18:47.24 | kscottz | So just go ahead and make our selections and we can manage that if anything comes. |
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| 18:47.47 | kscottz | I am super busy moving cross country this week, but I will check up on Friday to make sure nothing has happened. |
| 18:47.50 | kscottz | Thanks for the help! |
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| 18:49.36 | ChrisOelmueller | kscottz: note that *all* proposals you may want to accept at some later point need to have a mentor assigned as of april 20th, 07.00 UTC |
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| 18:51.01 | gevaerts | Someone from your organisation should really be here on Friday during the deduplication meeting. New duplicates can appear when people select other students to resolve duplicates |
| 18:51.01 | gevaerts | And if that happens to your org, and nobody is there to decide, and the other org *is* represented, the decision tends to be in favour of the org that's there |
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| 18:53.41 | agliodbs | 17:00 UTC, no? |
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| 18:57.51 | gevaerts | agliodbs: slots should be assigned by 7:00 UTC IIRC. It's always 12 hours or so before the deduplication meeting |
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| 18:59.15 | ChrisOelmueller | 17.00 is the deadline to accept proposals |
| 18:59.30 | ChrisOelmueller | mentors can't sign up or be assigned after 7.00 i think. |
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| 19:19.30 | downey | carols: Was there another deduce run made in the last hour? Or am I losing my mind? (I suppose both are equally possible.) |
| 19:19.37 | downey | s/deduce/dedupe/ |
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| 19:21.41 | dhaun | downey: according to Carol, it's run every hour |
| 19:21.47 | downey | dhaun: Thanks. :) |
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| 19:22.06 | downey | puts an hourly reminder on his calendar for the next 36 hours |
| 19:26.08 | jcalvinowens | !log |
| 19:26.08 | gsocbot | jcalvinowens: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 19:26.17 | jcalvinowens | oops, sorry |
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| 19:26.35 | gevaerts | !logs | jcalvinowens |
| 19:26.35 | gsocbot | jcalvinowens: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:27.02 | jcalvinowens | gevaerts: Thanks. |
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| 20:01.29 | nickbarnesccf | question: for the dedupe meeting, does our org's attendee have to be registered as an org admin on melange? |
| 20:02.33 | nickbarnesccf | or can we delegate that meeting to some other trusted org member? |
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| 20:03.48 | ChrisOelmueller | you can delegate to anybody who you trust in speaking for your org |
| 20:03.59 | Lennie | nickbarnesccf, as long as that person is an org admin (since you need to make changes in melange to whom you are accepting) |
| 20:04.17 | ChrisOelmueller | Lennie: oh? |
| 20:04.50 | Lennie | resolving one duplicate might cause others so changes need to happen :) |
| 20:04.57 | nickbarnesccf | Right, that was the question, really. Is the person going to have to do org admin stuff in melange during the meeting? Sounds as if they are, so I'll make sure that whoever we get to do it is made an admin before the meeting. |
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| 20:05.06 | carols | ChrisOelmueller: i'm happy to make the change for that person if they're not an org admin as long as your org agrees that's the person who makes the decision |
| 20:05.12 | carols | oh, that was for nickbarnesccf |
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| 20:05.18 | nickbarnesccf | Thanks, Carol. |
| 20:05.32 | ChrisOelmueller | thanks for clarifying as well :) |
| 20:05.49 | nickbarnesccf | it'll probably be me anyway, but I need to make a contingency plan in case I'm not available. |
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| 20:08.11 | downey | carols: Do you need to know our proxy in advance or will you trust there to be no shenanigans? |
| 20:08.33 | Lennie | nickbarnesccf, just promote a mentor to org admin if you leave :P |
| 20:08.45 | carols | downey: i'm trusting there will be no shenanigans. if you have someone in your org who *says* they're allowed to proxy for you and can't actually, you need to speak to your community, not me. |
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| 20:09.12 | downey | carols: Hehe, ok. |
| 20:09.21 | carols | besides, we've been doing this for 8 years and never had a problem so... |
| 20:10.31 | Coapp | who all got selected |
| 20:10.46 | carols | Coapp: you mean students? |
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| 20:10.56 | Coapp | yes, till now |
| 20:10.57 | Coapp | ? |
| 20:11.04 | sfb | No news until April 23rd... |
| 20:11.06 | carols | Coapp: that's announced on the 23rd. |
| 20:11.08 | Coapp | are the slots decided ? |
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| 20:11.20 | carols | Coapp: they've been out to the orgs, yes |
| 20:11.26 | Coapp | how many slots does CoApp have any idea ? |
| 20:11.37 | Coapp | Coapp == The outercurve foundation |
| 20:11.38 | carols | Coapp: you should ask the org admin |
| 20:11.51 | carols | and they have the choice of whether they want to tell you or not. |
| 20:12.07 | Coapp | hmmm thanks |
| 20:12.16 | carols | you're welcome. |
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| 20:20.35 | aghisla | carols: on the Status column in the proposals page, there is both Valid and Duplicate. Are duplicates showing also when Valid is selected? |
| 20:20.55 | carols | aghisla: i believe so. a duplicate proposal is still valid. |
| 20:21.03 | aghisla | I see. Thanks :) |
| 20:21.06 | carols | :-) |
| 20:21.26 | carols | in fact it's super-duper valid. it's validated by more than one org. |
| 20:21.33 | carols | well, the student is, at least. |
| 20:21.35 | aghisla | Right! |
| 20:21.38 | carols | anyway. |
| 20:21.40 | carols | serves some tea |
| 20:21.52 | aghisla | adds biscuits |
| 20:21.59 | carols | thanks aghisla :-) |
| 20:22.57 | SinnerShanky | !next |
| 20:22.58 | gsocbot | SinnerShanky: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 20:49.42 | sharvey | what does student duplication mean? |
| 20:50.36 | JordiGH | It means the student exists in an ambiguous state in more than one org. |
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| 20:50.47 | JordiGH | i.e. accepted by more than one org. |
| 20:50.56 | sharvey | oh ok |
| 20:51.24 | JordiGH | And org admins with the student have to collapse its wavefunction and pick just one org. |
| 20:51.36 | sharvey | yeah |
| 20:51.51 | sharvey | I can imagine doing two is probably not good on the student's part |
| 20:52.07 | JordiGH | It's also simply not allowed. |
| 20:52.16 | sharvey | yeah |
| 20:52.17 | sharvey | ok |
| 20:52.41 | JordiGH | Each student will work on at most 1 (one) project for the duration of GSoC. |
| 20:52.56 | sharvey | ok |
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| 20:58.07 | gsocbot | dreimark: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 21:06.04 | tinkujiiya | hello |
| 21:06.15 | carols | hi tin |
| 21:06.18 | carols | tinkujiiya: |
| 21:06.22 | tinkujiiya | are you student |
| 21:06.23 | carols | needs more coffee |
| 21:06.27 | carols | tinkujiiya: no, i'm not. |
| 21:06.31 | tinkujiiya | mentor?? |
| 21:06.49 | carols | tinkujiiya: no, i'm sorry. |
| 21:06.54 | tinkujiiya | ohk |
| 21:06.55 | carols | do you have a question? |
| 21:06.58 | tinkujiiya | yes |
| 21:07.01 | wtachi | superhero?? |
| 21:07.03 | carols | what is it? |
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| 21:07.10 | tinkujiiya | do you know about ember(worldforge) |
| 21:07.11 | carols | maybe someone in the channel can help you. |
| 21:07.34 | meflin | I think super hero is about right |
| 21:07.35 | carols | tinkujiiya: i don't. but kblin might? |
| 21:07.47 | tinkujiiya | what? |
| 21:08.21 | tinkujiiya | hello... anyone who applied for ember?? |
| 21:08.21 | carols | tinkujiiya: you probably want someone involved in the project, yes? |
| 21:08.21 | tinkujiiya | here |
| 21:08.21 | tinkujiiya | yes |
| 21:08.21 | carols | yeah, ok. |
| 21:08.25 | carols | so kblin might be able to help you. |
| 21:08.30 | carols | maybe. |
| 21:08.48 | tinkujiiya | is he student or mentor?? |
| 21:09.09 | carols | tinkujiiya: he's a mentor/org admin. |
| 21:09.27 | tinkujiiya | ohk |
| 21:09.28 | carols | who knows, maybe he can't help you. you could also try world forge's irc channel or mailing list too |
| 21:09.32 | carols | might be faster |
| 21:09.46 | tinkujiiya | hmm... i tried no 1 is replying there |
| 21:09.59 | carols | tinkujiiya: they might be in a different time zone, too. |
| 21:10.09 | carols | so you can give it some time and see. |
| 21:10.20 | tinkujiiya | ohk |
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| 21:13.15 | ChrisCTX | whats the PST time when students will be announced? |
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| 21:13.56 | klocatelli | I think 12 |
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| 21:14.04 | carols | ChrisCTX: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?month=4&day=23&year=2012&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&p2=224 |
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| 21:14.20 | klocatelli | \o/ 12 |
| 21:14.22 | ChrisCTX | gotcha |
| 21:14.24 | ChrisCTX | thanks |
| 21:14.29 | carols | yw |
| 21:14.41 | ChrisCTX | was confused by the whole Daylight Savings :P |
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| 21:15.02 | agliodbs | ChrisCTX: you and everyone else in the world |
| 21:15.02 | gevaerts | That's why you should only look at the UTC times :) |
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| 21:16.06 | tinkujiiya | hi saurabhsood91 |
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| 21:19.44 | klocatelli | tinkujiiya, are you still having trouble compiling? |
| 21:22.37 | saurabhsood91 | hi tinkujiiya |
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| 21:24.26 | tinkujiiya | Klocatelli : yes |
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| 21:31.55 | agliodbs | if we had duplicate conflicts, where would I, as org admin, see them? |
| 21:32.12 | carols | agliodbs: on the list of proposals submitted to your org and on the proposal itself |
| 21:32.25 | agliodbs | carols: what would it look like on the list? |
| 21:32.34 | carols | "duplicate" in red |
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| 21:33.20 | agliodbs | carols: in the Status column? |
| 21:33.25 | carols | agliodbs: correct |
| 21:33.29 | agliodbs | ok |
| 21:33.33 | agliodbs | no duplicates, then |
| 21:34.22 | agliodbs | carols: if I'm still showing no duplicates as of friday at 17:00 UTC, do I need to attend the deduplication session? |
| 21:34.28 | carols | agliodbs: yes. |
| 21:34.36 | carols | as per my email. |
| 21:34.44 | carols | is beginning to think she shouldn't send emails anymore |
| 21:34.53 | meflin | situation is still fluid and changeable till the last moment of the close of de-dupe |
| 21:35.15 | |Kev| | I'm not sure that "I said this in an email, and people don't know because they didn't read it" necessarily means "If I don't send an email, everyone will know what would have been in it". |
| 21:35.25 | agliodbs | oh, wait, 19:00 UTC. somehow I thought it was 17:00 UTC |
| 21:35.29 | meflin | as a first year admin I've found _your_ emails carols to be invaluable :) |
| 21:35.36 | carols | meflin: thank you. |
| 21:35.44 | carols | i'm glad. |
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| 21:37.04 | agliodbs | carols: yeah, if we're showing no dupes though, I'll send my co-admin if I can get him to go |
| 21:37.14 | carols | agliodbs: sure |
| 21:38.44 | gevaerts | agliodbs: don't forget to re-check every now and then. New dupes may appear, and from what I understand dupes may not show up for a minute or so when the detection is actually running |
| 21:40.27 | meflin | also let us praise $WORK who gave us time off to attend :) ( and a free hosted server to run summer development on ) |
| 21:41.32 | agliodbs | gevaerts: yeah, given the pool of students we have, though, a conflict is fairly unlikely |
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| 21:43.41 | |Kev| | agliodbs: I thought a conflict was unlikely for us...we ended up with a three-way conflict! |
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| 21:44.35 | agliodbs | of course, now that I gave up a slot, one of our students finally got around to fixing his application |
| 21:44.51 | agliodbs | ah, well, snooze == lose! |
| 21:44.54 | meflin | we ask all out students about conflicts .. just to prevent surprises |
| 21:45.12 | ChadWindnagle | It would be nice if Melange allowed students to rank their org preference |
| 21:45.15 | agliodbs | personally I'm looking forward to having less students this summer than last year |
| 21:45.20 | ChadWindnagle | I feel that it would take a lot of the pain out of this |
| 21:45.38 | meflin | that isn't the only factor tho |
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| 21:46.05 | |Kev| | Assuming you don't mean that Melange would automatically resolve conflicts, I agree - they would be useful data to have. |
| 21:46.06 | agliodbs | yeah, when we've done conflict resolution in the past, it's been more about what the orgs wanted and less about what the student preferred |
| 21:46.14 | meflin | if I have 2 awesome apps for 1 job and the more awesome is the only awesome for org#2? |
| 21:46.33 | ChadWindnagle | Yeah it would just be useful decision-making data |
| 21:46.41 | gevaerts | meflin: you'd still avoid having to ask the students questions that imply things you don't want to say |
| 21:46.49 | agliodbs | or, if we have several good students who weren't selected, whereas org #2 doesn't have enough solid applications and really needs another student |
| 21:47.03 | meflin | gevaerts: doesn't parse for me |
| 21:47.05 | |Kev| | agliodbs: Right, we understand how conflict resolution works :) |
| 21:47.28 | gevaerts | meflin: asking the students at application time which they prefer means you don't have to ask now in case of conflict |
| 21:47.59 | meflin | gevaerts: I just mentioned I ask all students about all apps |
| 21:48.03 | agliodbs | gevaerts: yeah, but many students would be afraid that that would jeapordize their acceptance by org #2, no? |
| 21:48.45 | gevaerts | agliodbs: melange doesn't have to tell you about this unless there actually is a conflict |
| 21:49.01 | meflin | that way I always know the lay of the land and never have to tip my hand |
| 21:49.29 | gevaerts | meflin: yes. I understand ChadWindnagle's suggestion as having melange ask that so you don't have to any more |
| 21:49.46 | ChadWindnagle | Precisely |
| 21:49.51 | meflin | hmm well with how our process works I want to ask :) |
| 21:50.36 | meflin | our process is unusual tho :) |
| 21:51.17 | gevaerts | But yes, I do understand students being a bit worried about not being chosen if they reveal a project to not be their favourite. I do believe it's silly for an org to reject a student for not having picked them first, but I also do believe that proposals are impossible to rank 100% objectively, so it might actually happen... |
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| 21:51.39 | agliodbs | gevaerts: I think students would be more afraid of it than it would actually happen |
| 21:51.47 | agliodbs | but that would still be an issue |
| 21:51.49 | meflin | altho there could be some signs ... like 7 apps |
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| 21:52.04 | agliodbs | anyway, last I checked Melange has a TODO list three screens long |
| 21:52.10 | agliodbs | so don't hold your breath .... |
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| 21:52.59 | gevaerts | meflin: if you only see "seven apps", sure, the numbers say it's not going to be good. But you also see one of the proposals... |
| 21:53.19 | meflin | this is true ... |
| 21:53.56 | gevaerts | For rockbox we used to ask students about other applications near the end of the irc interview |
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| 21:55.09 | meflin | same :) |
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| 21:55.28 | meflin | more of a heads up .. because its kinda clear most the time by then |
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| 21:57.09 | gevaerts | This rule about not tellin students anything can be tricky with interviews too. If students find out you're scheduling irc interviews (because other students mention this), and they were not invited, they will figure things out rather quickly |
| 21:57.59 | agliodbs | gevaerts: shrug. comments on applications etc. indicate pretty clearly the current thinking on the acceptableness of proposals |
| 21:58.04 | agliodbs | often |
| 21:58.13 | gevaerts | That's true |
| 21:58.40 | gevaerts | But with the right sort of mind it's entirely possible to misinterpret that and still remain optimistic |
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| 22:00.51 | schumaml | we used to do it like this: if a student asked about it, and it was obvious that they won't be accepted - either if the application was not good enough, or if there were too many better applications, we told them |
| 22:01.33 | meflin | this year was the first year we didn't interview 100% |
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| 22:02.07 | schumaml | we required patches |
| 22:02.19 | meflin | we dont always have the luxury |
| 22:02.21 | schumaml | no patch, no interview |
| 22:02.37 | schumaml | and so far this seems to work |
| 22:04.26 | meflin | due to the weird stuff we do its not that uncommon for there to be no code to patch |
| 22:05.40 | schumaml | not even for a "patch for the sake of demonstrating that they know how to change *anything*, compile to test it and use a diff command"? |
| 22:05.57 | meflin | umbrella :) |
| 22:06.28 | Arjun05 | the org I applied to had a decent though simple enough test to see if we could compile, and diff |
| 22:06.29 | meflin | an example once apon a time we received and idea ... so all we had was an idea |
| 22:06.41 | gevaerts | meflin: have them write a script that finds umbrella pictures using google :) |
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| 22:06.56 | agliodbs | we just make them propose their feature on the appropriate -hackers list |
| 22:07.04 | meflin | heh well we could .. and perhaps we should do some make work |
| 22:07.13 | agliodbs | while that's generally confusing for the students, it sorts them out fairly well |
| 22:07.19 | meflin | well we have this idea .. no code at all |
| 22:07.29 | |Kev| | meflin: Personally, I think there's value in them submitting a patch, even if it's for the wrong thing :) |
| 22:07.54 | |Kev| | Or the wrong org, for that matter, at a push :) |
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| 22:08.18 | meflin | we love student code dont get me wrong :) |
| 22:08.27 | gevaerts | A few years ago we set tasks after looking at the proposals, so we could adjust them to what the student was supposed to do later |
| 22:08.38 | |Kev| | Although the main benefit of patches isn't to prove they can build the stuff, that's usually evident anyway, but the interaction during review. |
| 22:08.45 | meflin | if you come with your own idea .. some code realy helps get the stink eye off you |
| 22:09.05 | gevaerts | The problem is that that adds a lot of pressure to our side ("ok, we now have to think of seven tasks by tomorrow afternoon") |
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| 22:09.42 | meflin | thats a big issue |
| 22:09.46 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I find the whole 'sort out teaser ideas' and 'do patch review in a reasonable time' stuff horrendously draining. |
| 22:09.59 | gevaerts | nods |
| 22:10.21 | |Kev| | Especially for the students that mean well and are enthusiastic but not up there. |
| 22:10.35 | meflin | enrollment period is soul sucking :D |
| 22:10.48 | |Kev| | Absolutely. |
| 22:10.50 | gevaerts | Of course the advantage is that you can be extra nasty if an existing contributor applies and you think his proposal is on the late side :) |
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| 22:13.25 | |Kev| | gevaerts: At this point I don't even have the energy to take pleasure in the discomfort and suffering of others. Which is saying something :) |
| 22:15.14 | gevaerts | |Kev|: it was something like "the rockbox simulator now uses sdl threads with lots of locking to implement cooperative threading. Change this to real cooperative threading". He did need a few days (but on the other hand his project also needed that code, so it definitely wasn't lost) |
| 22:17.25 | tinkujiiya | anyone who applied for ember?? |
| 22:17.26 | |Kev| | Not asking much, then. |
| 22:17.29 | tinkujiiya | here?? |
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| 22:19.01 | Arjun05 | I did, tinkujiiya |
| 22:19.05 | gevaerts | !anyone | tinkujiiya |
| 22:19.05 | gsocbot | tinkujiiya: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 22:19.18 | tinkujiiya | hi arjun05 |
| 22:20.28 | gevaerts | |Kev|: the fun thing is that glibc has an API for this, but it's (a) deprecated (why do you want cooperative threading, you fool?), and (b) not implemented on several of the architectures we needed it on |
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| 22:37.43 | Andrew_ | newbie admin question here -- is this the right place for the deduplication meeting on Friday? |
| 22:38.56 | sumanah | I could use a bit of help figuring out whether something is a bug in Melange |
| 22:38.56 | sumanah | Andrew_: yes |
| 22:38.56 | Andrew_ | super, thanks... |
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| 22:38.56 | sumanah | Specifically: I mark a proposal as accepted, but in my dashboard it's "pending" instead of "pending acceptance" (on the individual proposal page it is marked as accepted) |
| 22:38.56 | sumanah | (I am an org admin) |
| 22:38.56 | sumanah | All the other proposals that I marked Accepted are listed as "pending acceptance" in the dashboard |
| 22:39.20 | agliodbs | sumanah: try reloading the page, and then accepting the proposal again |
| 22:39.29 | agliodbs | I ran into that earlier |
| 22:39.30 | sumanah | agliodbs: ok, will try, thanks |
| 22:41.09 | ojwb | maybe there's a difference depending if the hourly duplication check has run? |
| 22:41.18 | sumanah | agliodbs: I tried reloading the dashboard, and using the checkbox to accept the proposal; when the dashboard refreshed, it's still simply "pending" |
| 22:41.24 | sumanah | hmm, maybe it's a slots issue |
| 22:41.50 | sumanah | yes, I think that's it |
| 22:42.04 | agliodbs | yeah? you're over your slot accloation? |
| 22:42.23 | sumanah | when I UNaccepted a different proposal, then the one that I had been trying to mark as accepted switched to Pending acceptance |
| 22:42.26 | sumanah | yes |
| 22:42.30 | sumanah | I was over my slot allocation |
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| 22:42.59 | agliodbs | sumanah: did you put in for free slots? I know several orgs have given slots away |
| 22:43.34 | sumanah | agliodbs: would you mind quickly reminding me how to request a free additional slot? |
| 22:44.29 | solardiz | sumanah: e-mail Carol |
| 22:44.55 | sumanah | agliodbs: I didn't want to do that because it seemed like other organizations were really *needing* slots and my org has 9, so I think I would be greedy to ask for an additional one. |
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| 22:46.41 | agliodbs | sumanah: probably true. which org? |
| 22:46.52 | sumanah | agliodbs: I am with Wikimedia Foundation. |
| 22:47.03 | sumanah | And you? |
| 22:47.03 | agliodbs | PostgreSQL |
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| 22:47.35 | lolfrenz | you guys have something to discuss. |
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| 22:48.16 | sumanah | agliodbs: I'm Sumana Harihareswara, in case you've heard that name before (I am attempting to encourage the PostgreSQL community to help us improve and maintain MediaWiki's Postgres support) |
| 22:48.31 | agliodbs | sumanah: we've met |
| 22:48.42 | agliodbs | sumanah: yeah, I was only able to forward one person to you |
| 22:49.04 | sumanah | oh hi Josh! |
| 22:49.18 | sumanah | Josh, I really enjoyed your recent blog entry on evening entertainment |
| 22:49.36 | agliodbs | thanks |
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| 22:50.36 | meflin | agliodbs: out of curiosity did you drive a bunch of mentor summit ppl around SF last summit? |
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| 22:53.16 | agliodbs | yes |
| 22:53.30 | meflin | nice sunset ;) I was the first drop off :) |
| 22:53.37 | meflin | thanks |
| 22:53.54 | agliodbs | you're welcome |
| 22:54.04 | agliodbs | I love my city, so I like showing it off |
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| 22:54.31 | Eli__ | San francisco is awesome, I'll be living there for the summer |
| 22:54.37 | meflin | the food was very good there ( its a org thing ) |
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| 22:55.34 | sumanah | Thanks Josh, see you at the dedupe meeting. |
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| 22:55.52 | meflin | and by food I mostly mean SF :D |
| 22:55.54 | agliodbs | Eli__: oh? where? |
| 22:56.00 | dzan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.20 | Eli__ | agliodbs, I'm not sure yet, Google corporate housing |
| 22:56.33 | meflin | not sure what the last is .. but its way late for that sort of thing so do it now |
| 22:56.34 | ojwb | dzan: it's not unheard of for them to drop out even after acceptance, though it's really annoying |
| 22:56.37 | ChrisOelmueller | dzan: as soon as possible (just about now) else the slot is most probably lost |
| 22:56.59 | dzan | well that's what I want to prevent at all cost! |
| 22:57.12 | ojwb | yeah, if it looks likely, get them to make a decision and get on to carol to see if you can refill the slot |
| 22:57.58 | dzan | could it wait for about 10 more hours? |
| 22:58.22 | dzan | the melange site states: 20 april 17:00 UTC no? |
| 22:58.50 | ojwb | it's 7:00 utc for finalising the students |
| 22:58.50 | ojwb | the meeting is 19:00 utc IIRC |
| 22:59.24 | ojwb | ah, there's a 17:00utc deadline too |
| 23:00.16 | ojwb | i'd aim for 7:00 or before, but it sounds like it could be 17:00 and still be ok |
| 23:00.18 | dzan | which one would be the latest before a slot is lost? 17:00 or 07:00? |
| 23:00.20 | agliodbs | Eli__: you'll probably be down in Mountain View then |
| 23:00.22 | agliodbs | not in SF |
| 23:00.45 | agliodbs | it's about 35mi away |
| 23:00.45 | ojwb | the problem is that any change can potentially introduce a new conflict, and everyone will hate you |
| 23:00.45 | Eli__ | No, I'll be in San Fran. I'm going to be working in the San Bruno office |
| 23:01.13 | ojwb | dzan: you'd have to ask carol to get the true answer on that |
| 23:01.32 | Eli__ | agliodbs, where abouts in San Fran are you? |
| 23:01.43 | agliodbs | Upper Haight |
| 23:01.50 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: heh. You're probably less than two miles from me at the moment |
| 23:02.04 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: yeah, where? |
| 23:02.07 | dzan | ojwb, ok |
| 23:02.11 | Catfish_Man | right next to buena vista park |
| 23:02.20 | Eli__ | Heh, I was staying at the stanyan park hotel (right next to the mcdonalds) a month ago |
| 23:02.55 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: less than 2 miles then. One mile from my office (St. Mary's hospital) and half a mile from my apt. |
| 23:03.03 | ojwb | dzan: but i'd try to sort it out as soon as you can |
| 23:03.16 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: project? |
| 23:03.42 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: mentored for Adium from '06-'08, not doing gsoc this year other than helping out here |
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| 23:04.12 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: you developed Adium? Thanks! |
| 23:04.15 | kodaws | do you suggest to cc Carol when reaching out orgs to resolve duplicates? |
| 23:04.31 | ojwb | kodaws: i wouldn't, she gets enough mail as it is |
| 23:04.35 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: me and like 30-50 other people over the years :) glad you like it |
| 23:04.50 | ojwb | unless you hit a stalemate and need someone to resolve it |
| 23:05.13 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: I wonder how many OSS developers live in central SF |
| 23:05.14 | kodaws | well the meeting is tomorrow, so there won't be much stalemate that can be solved then :) |
| 23:05.48 | Catfish_Man | agliodbs: well, I know quite a few other Adium developers here, let alone OSS in general |
| 23:05.49 | Catfish_Man | so... "lots" |
| 23:06.29 | agliodbs | Catfish_Man: we should have an OSS night at Coffee To The People or something |
| 23:06.31 | Eli__ | OSS is interesting that way, getting paid to work on it (let alone enough to live in san francisco) |
| 23:06.49 | Catfish_Man | Eli__: the stuff I get paid for is only technically open source, not particularly usefully so |
| 23:07.05 | Catfish_Man | Adium is volunteers |
| 23:07.25 | Eli__ | Our project started that way, we are pushing to be more of a community and collaboration |
| 23:07.43 | Eli__ | Microsoft is moving towards a significant amount of open source stuff as well |
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| 23:12.23 | klocatelli | when are proposal rankings "locked in"? |
| 23:14.32 | agliodbs | klocatelli: rankings are just for internal use |
| 23:14.34 | agliodbs | in your org |
| 23:14.46 | agliodbs | Google only cares about the "accepted" flag |
| 23:15.17 | klocatelli | but isn't the proposal with the highest ranking selected if accepted > slots? |
| 23:15.27 | meflin | some of our accepted has scores of 0 .. one that wasn't is a 4 |
| 23:15.33 | ojwb | apparently, though by total score |
| 23:15.37 | klocatelli | hm |
| 23:15.40 | ojwb | at least from what the melange guy said on the list |
| 23:16.10 | ojwb | I'd carefully make sure you mark the right number and avoid surprises |
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| 23:16.10 | meflin | if there are more accepted .. then rank comes into play |
| 23:16.10 | agliodbs | klocatelli: Melange shouldn't let you accept more proposals than you have slots |
| 23:16.21 | meflin | but at least for orgs like mine .. that never happens |
| 23:16.30 | agliodbs | anyway, deadline is Friday, 17:00 UTC |
| 23:17.14 | klocatelli | well I'm just a student :P just debating whether or not I should work on something now... |
| 23:17.34 | klocatelli | but thanks, that solved it for me ^_^ |
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| 23:53.53 | klocatelli | mmm short bread cookies |
| 23:54.44 | meflin | with lots of butter |
| 23:58.18 | meflin | that bringss to mind what so sprinkle on those |
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