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| 00:17.02 | LetterRip | must go find distraction.... i keep hitting refresh on melange :) |
| 00:17.26 | bretonium | code something for your project |
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| 00:17.56 | LetterRip | bretonium: we are supposed to know how to code? |
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| 00:18.19 | klocatelli | no, but if you don't know how I hope you have a ton of monkeys |
| 00:18.25 | bretonium | oh. |
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| 00:20.00 | LetterRip | klocatelli: well our fearless leader has been known to call some of our core team code monkeys :) |
| 00:20.38 | klocatelli | not the monkeys I was thinking of, but I suppose that works too :P |
| 00:20.53 | LetterRip | and our mascot is a monkey head |
| 00:21.25 | klocatelli | all hail the monkey head! |
| 00:21.38 | LetterRip | the problem with infinitie monkeys is that they never do test compiles |
| 00:21.38 | ajed | LetterRip, least it's not a death star right? |
| 00:22.19 | klocatelli | That's not a problem, you just have the monkeys hit out the raw binary |
| 00:22.38 | klocatelli | : |
| 00:22.41 | LetterRip | ohhhh limit them to two keeys |
| 00:22.43 | LetterRip | keys |
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| 00:48.43 | felipevieira | !next |
| 00:48.44 | gsocbot | felipevieira: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Orgs: Carol will announce slot allocations Wednesday, 11 April after the close of business Pacific time |
| 00:49.27 | tomprince | !forget next 2 |
| 00:49.27 | gsocbot | tomprince: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. |
| 00:50.25 | felipevieira | tomprince, was the slot allocation already announced? |
| 00:50.47 | tomprince | Initial slot allocations have been made, yes. |
| 00:51.03 | tomprince | They aren't public yet (and won't be until the 23. |
| 00:51.34 | felipevieira | i mean, do the orgs already know how many slots they have available? |
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| 00:52.37 | tomprince | !learn next as Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
| 00:52.37 | gsocbot | tomprince: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
| 00:52.44 | tomprince | felipevieira: Yes. |
| 00:54.35 | bretonium | is information about slots number public? Can organizations disclose it? |
| 00:54.44 | bretonium | oh |
| 00:54.49 | bretonium | never mind. |
| 00:55.51 | tomprince | I don't know if orgs are allowed to disclose it, but there are good reasons for not disclosing it, since it can change. |
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| 01:29.58 | afia | where will the slot of org be published? in the mailing list? |
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| 01:33.03 | chx | afia: read Carol's email ? |
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| 01:35.09 | chx | bretonium: while organizations could disclose tht number is meaningless to students because they cant know whether they are accepted or not |
| 01:35.38 | chx | bretonium: as an org admin i see how many slots i have and even i do not know yet who is in and who is not , there will be a bitter debate about , i think. |
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| 15:09.33 | *** topic/#gsoc is http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols | The student submission period has ended, good luck to everyone who applied! |
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| 15:11.36 | JordiGH | Can you show proposals to people not in your org? |
| 15:12.45 | |Kev| | If the student marks them as public and says yes. |
| 15:12.46 | gevaerts | Only if they're public |
| 15:12.59 | |Kev| | Even public ones I wouldn't give the URL out without the student's permission. |
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| 15:39.13 | dzhus | so slots were allocated already? |
| 15:39.29 | demosdemon | dzhus slot allocation isn't perminent |
| 15:39.42 | demosdemon | things may change between now and 4/20 |
| 15:39.48 | dzhus | oh |
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| 16:45.29 | mike | where can we know how many slots have been allotted by google to a particular organisation this year ? |
| 16:45.43 | |Kev| | Are you an admin/mentor, or a student? |
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| 16:46.09 | Guest93988 | I am a student. |
| 16:46.19 | |Kev| | The 23rd, then. |
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| 16:47.19 | Guest93988 | I was worried if no slots are alloted to a particular organisation ? I heard sumwhere that the number of slots have been allotted to all the organisations, just wanted to confirm |
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| 16:47.38 | |Kev| | There are initial allocations, but these aren't known publicly. |
| 16:48.20 | Guest93988 | what is the possibility of any organisation getting no slots at all ? |
| 16:49.18 | thgil | Low |
| 16:49.20 | |Kev| | I do not believe that will happen. It might happen that an org takes no students, I suppose, if they have no good proposals that aren't accepted by other orgs, but I don't believe an org would have no slots allocated to it. |
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| 16:51.07 | Guest93988 | |Kev| : thnx :) have the mentors/admins of the organisation been notified of the number of slots ? |
| 16:51.24 | |Kev| | Preliminary allocations, yes. |
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| 17:05.53 | buffyg | Guest93988: Org admins may reasonably choose not to provide public notice of their slot allocations, as these are preliminary. |
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| 17:18.28 | nemo | omgomgomgomgomg |
| 17:18.34 | nemo | hugs gsoc |
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| 17:18.57 | nemo | btw. general question |
| 17:19.06 | nemo | in your opinions as mentors, many more seasoned than us |
| 17:19.19 | nemo | is it unusual to see a ratio of proposal to good proposal of about 10:1 ? |
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| 17:19.37 | nemo | (maybe a bit worse, I'm feeling a little generous here) |
| 17:19.47 | Stepan777 | nemo, why omg? |
| 17:19.58 | nemo | Stepan777: can't say :-p |
| 17:20.21 | Stepan777 | number of slots is omg? :) |
| 17:20.26 | nemo | um :-p |
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| 17:26.17 | sonney2k | nemo, you probably did not require patches for students to even get considered - did you? |
| 17:27.19 | |Kev| | nemo: There are different trains of thought on proposals. I try to encourage students to prescreen themselves with teasers and chatting to us. |
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| 17:28.01 | rohan | I have submitted patches of some previous work, will that help? |
| 17:28.50 | |Kev| | rohan: You mean you've worked on the project you're applying to previously? |
| 17:29.11 | rohan | no, i have worked for the company previously for which I've applied in gsoc |
| 17:29.26 | |Kev| | Isn't that what I just said? |
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| 17:29.33 | rohan | no |
| 17:29.39 | rohan | I have worked on some other project |
| 17:29.47 | rohan | but for the same organization |
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| 17:30.08 | |Kev| | Oh, you mean an umbrella org? Possibly, then. |
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| 17:30.16 | rohan | mozilla |
| 17:30.22 | rohan | worked for mozilla before on other project |
| 17:30.30 | rohan | and applied for the same org on some different project |
| 17:30.43 | |Kev| | I'd have thought it depended entirely on Mozilla. |
| 17:31.33 | |Kev| | I only want students for Swift who have submitted patches to Swift - even if they've previously submitted patches to other projects in the XSF, but every org's different. |
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| 17:31.46 | |Kev| | Some orgs don't require patches at all. |
| 17:31.50 | Stepan777 | nemo: it is Sturgeon's Law :) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law |
| 17:32.08 | |Kev| | Stepan777: Yes, but you can overcome that with some effort. |
| 17:32.24 | tomprince | I think there is confusion between org/project. With the latter used sometimes for the form, to the confusion of people discussing gsoc. |
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| 17:32.56 | |Kev| | Oh, right. I mean project == Software Project. Not GSoC idea/proposal. |
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| 17:39.07 | nemo | sonney2k: we've been pretty insistent that people need to send us patches |
| 17:39.15 | nemo | sonney2k: but, we didn't require that to submit a proposal, no |
| 17:39.34 | nemo | hm. |
| 17:39.39 | nemo | perhaps it would have been a good idea |
| 17:39.41 | nemo | oh well |
| 17:39.56 | perepujal | rohan: any previous work you have done "may" be considered, if the work has been for some open source org, then it is likely to be a plus, if the work you have done is for the same org you are applying now, and you keeped contributing, then surelly you have a plus. |
| 17:40.16 | nemo | |Kev|: we aren't absolutely requiring patches. for some tasks it is kinda hard to do one that fits the task well. we've been also suggesting proof of concept code |
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| 17:41.00 | nemo | |Kev|: but, I think at this point we have good patches for almost all the top candidates |
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| 17:44.29 | |Kev| | nemo: I don't think the patch has to fit the proposal well, FWIW. |
| 17:44.44 | |Kev| | None of ours did, they were just generic one-evening-or-less tasks aronud the codebase. |
| 17:45.10 | |Kev| | Proves the students can compile, do some trivialish coding, submit a patch and cope with patch review. |
| 17:46.33 | nemo | ah |
| 17:46.37 | nemo | hm |
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| 17:46.52 | nemo | |Kev|: well, for the AI task we wanted at least some basic competency w/ the existing AI code |
| 17:47.18 | rohan | perepujal: yea, thanks :) |
| 17:47.21 | nemo | oh well. p'raps being a bit too strict |
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| 17:49.46 | |Kev| | nemo: I wasn't saying being specific was bad, by any means. The better your teasers the...well, better, IMO. I was just saying that if you don't have specific teasers, I think any teaser that shows they can do /something/ is good. |
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| 18:09.13 | andralex | Hi everyone |
| 18:09.19 | sonney2k | nemo, well we only briefly scanned proposals that didn't mention the contributed patches and none of the ones w/o a patch got considered - so it was rather easy by SNR was also higher in our case... |
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| 18:10.03 | nemo | sonney2k: oh. we've been letting them submit the patches up to a few days before the 20th |
| 18:10.09 | nemo | sonney2k: seems kinder |
| 18:10.13 | andralex | Our organization would need to turn 2 good candidates away. I recall there is a process whereby organizations may return some slots to the pool to be then reassigned. How do we participate to that secondary market? :D |
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| 18:14.42 | tomprince | andralex: Look at the email carol sent. I believe it says to send a seperate email with details. |
| 18:14.52 | |Kev| | andralex: There's a button in the dashboard, I think. |
| 18:15.02 | |Kev| | andralex: Ah, no, you want to get slots, not give them away. |
| 18:15.05 | |Kev| | What tomprince said :) |
| 18:15.22 | andralex | tomprince, |Kev|: thanks, I'll peruse carol's past emails |
| 18:17.00 | sonney2k | nemo, ahh I see. that explains it. Last year we had lots of noise too but this year with the patches upfront approach we are pretty sure who the candidates might be |
| 18:17.13 | nemo | sonney2k: mm. I think we would have lost a couple then |
| 18:17.35 | sonney2k | we went down from ~70 -> ~50 |
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| 18:17.46 | nemo | sonney2k: but. it could be that they were allocating more time to exams etc just because we were not requiring as much up front :) |
| 18:17.52 | sonney2k | and from the 50 maybe a dozen didn't submit patches |
| 18:18.09 | sonney2k | nemo, you wish :) |
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| 18:20.10 | sonney2k | checks the procedure how to return a slot |
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| 18:22.54 | andralex | tomprince: What I see here is that the deduplication meeting on april 20 19:00 UTC is the one place where slots may be reallocated, is that correct? |
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| 18:24.30 | asaldhan | has been allocated 20% of what he asked for as minimum. :) Is this normal? |
| 18:24.42 | ChrisOelmueller | that meeting is not meant for shifting slot allocations. it rather resolves the last situations where a student is accepted for more than one org |
| 18:24.56 | ChrisOelmueller | and the orgs haven't managed to find solutions to this in time (before the meeting) |
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| 18:25.50 | meflin | asaldhan: depends .. are you a first year org? |
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| 18:26.15 | asaldhan | meflin: first year as independent. We were part of another initiative all these years |
| 18:26.32 | meflin | complicated spot to be in |
| 18:27.13 | asaldhan | meflin: I have sent an email to carols about it. I do not know how else I can communicate that we have experience |
| 18:27.25 | meflin | well that would be the best place to ask |
| 18:27.56 | asaldhan | meflin: not sure how the inbox of carol looks like currently. :) |
| 18:28.13 | meflin | probably very very full :) |
| 18:28.33 | asaldhan | meflin: how else can I get the slots raised apart from emailing? any other means? |
| 18:29.13 | meflin | well the return pool stuff .. not sure how that works .. it should have been in the email .. but I didn't read that part close since I will not be asking for any extra slots |
| 18:29.32 | JordiGH | Anybody got any slots to donate? :-) |
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| 18:29.52 | JordiGH | Brother, can you spare a slot? |
| 18:29.57 | meflin | our selection process isn't done yet ... but I sure hope not :D |
| 18:30.35 | ajed | lol JordiGH! |
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| 18:30.59 | JordiGH | I'm half serious. Another org has already said that they might have one more slot than necessary. :-) |
| 18:31.37 | masquerade | JordiGH: I think my org is likely going to give up at least a couple slots |
| 18:31.49 | masquerade | If that makes you feel any better :) |
| 18:32.12 | andralex | masquerade: we wanna pliz pliz |
| 18:32.14 | andralex | will work for slots |
| 18:32.36 | JordiGH | I saw them first! |
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| 18:32.46 | meflin | isn't the going rate for slots at least 10 pounds of chocolate? |
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| 18:33.05 | JordiGH | I'm so buying ten pounds of chocolate for another slot. |
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| 18:41.37 | asaldhan | Do we have slot allocation for organizations in past gsoc programs? |
| 18:41.54 | asaldhan | Just want to know what to expect. :) |
| 18:42.10 | Triskelios | most new orgs got 1 or 2 last year |
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| 18:42.46 | meflin | if you new-but returning from an umbrella you could have been viewed as "old" ( this has been covered on the email list ) |
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| 18:55.35 | |Kev| | carols: Thank you. |
| 18:55.50 | carols | |Kev|: you're welcome. |
| 18:55.54 | carols | for what? |
| 18:56.08 | |Kev| | Our slots. |
| 18:56.14 | carols | oh |
| 18:56.17 | carols | you're welcome :-) |
| 18:56.18 | meflin | all hail the slot giver! :) |
| 18:56.18 | gevaerts | And the cookies! |
| 18:56.22 | meflin | and the tea |
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| 19:12.34 | meflin | meh? spam?? |
| 19:12.35 | d34th4ck3r | iit status read "Iranian institute of terrorism" |
| 19:12.35 | ajed | lol |
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| 19:15.32 | dzhus | okay.jpg |
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| 19:17.08 | asaldhan | carols: wonder if you got to my email in the ever increasing inbox. :) |
| 19:17.28 | carols | asaldhan: i'm sure i received it, but it's likely i haven't had a chance to respond. what is it regarding? |
| 19:17.45 | asaldhan | carols: surprise. slots. :) |
| 19:18.24 | carols | asaldhan: well, seeing as no slots have been put back into the pool yet, i'm not sure what i would have responded to your email with :-) |
| 19:19.28 | asaldhan | carols: we are being independent for first time this year at gsoc. Previously we were clubbed with Fedora program all the past years. I hope we were not counted as new org. |
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| 19:19.46 | asaldhan | carols: as long as that was not the case, I will rest in peace. :) |
| 19:20.15 | carols | i assure you you were allocated the slots we felt were appropriate weighed against the total slots we had available :-) |
| 19:20.37 | ajed | what was the total number of slots btw? |
| 19:20.52 | dzhus | less than 9000 |
| 19:20.54 | ajed | bribes carols with coffee for info :) |
| 19:20.59 | gevaerts | prefers the cookie allocation system where more cookies can always be added if people want them :) |
| 19:21.02 | carols | ajed: that's not public. it will be public when we announce accepted students. |
| 19:21.06 | asaldhan | rests in peace. Moves to placate his community. :) |
| 19:21.21 | ajed | ah fair enough then |
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| 19:22.35 | d34th4ck3r | carols: so, slot allocation is complete ? |
| 19:22.51 | carols | d34th4ck3r: complete in that we've published the first set of allocations? yes. |
| 19:23.07 | carols | i sent email about it yesterday. |
| 19:23.21 | |Kev| | Yes, but d34th4ck3r is a student, I believe. |
| 19:23.29 | carols | that's fine. :-) |
| 19:23.38 | |Kev| | That mail was to mentors, I think? |
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| 19:23.44 | carols | right. |
| 19:23.53 | carols | the students don't need that spam in their inboxes :-) |
| 19:23.56 | dzhus | there's helpful FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentallocations |
| 19:23.58 | gevaerts | |Kev|: being a student is allowed in gsoc |
| 19:24.07 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Allowed but discouraged, I think :) |
| 19:24.12 | asaldhan | carols: but students are not very benevolent on new orgs. :) |
| 19:24.20 | iKoda | Is it possible to return slots "slowly"? |
| 19:24.29 | meflin | benevolent ??? |
| 19:24.30 | carols | iKoda: i'm not sure what you mean. |
| 19:24.38 | asaldhan | carols: they do ask: "why should I put a proposal when I know u r a new org?" |
| 19:24.55 | carols | asaldhan: then they are asking the wrong question. |
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| 19:25.03 | carols | unfortunately, some people do that. |
| 19:25.05 | iKoda | Like 1 slot every 2 day |
| 19:25.08 | meflin | this tells you more about them , then it does about you :) |
| 19:25.11 | carols | iKoda: sure, if you like. |
| 19:25.49 | asaldhan | meflin: its the readers of the public email lists where the student asks those Qs, that worries me |
| 19:26.03 | iKoda | Yeah it would simplify management slightly while mentors finish sorting out the proposals |
| 19:26.15 | asaldhan | meflin: wish I could just go to every good student's home and knock and say - can u apply? |
| 19:26.27 | asaldhan | meflin: we get proposals and from that, we get the best students. |
| 19:27.08 | meflin | you can never have to many CBofA's (complete balls of awesomeness ) for students |
| 19:27.11 | iKoda | And I want to keep unused slots as little as possible |
| 19:27.23 | edsiper | asaldhan, two of our potential applicants did that... i think thats more valuable someone who stayed that who leaves.. |
| 19:27.24 | iKoda | For as little as possible* |
| 19:27.35 | d34th4ck3r | asaldhan: Brand of Google does that for you, every time they open their homepage. ;) |
| 19:28.36 | edsiper | whos really interested into your org, will apply anyways.. |
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| 19:29.42 | asaldhan | edsiper: let me point to the discussion where it was asked. http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/gsoc/2012-April/thread.html#9 Funnily a couple of students chimed in and I had to placate. |
| 19:29.48 | meflin | those always actually want to build the project they apply for tho, not just get a check |
| 19:30.34 | asaldhan | ideally the best students continue in open source after gsoc is done and checks are cut. :) |
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| 19:32.55 | meflin | i've somewhat moved to the point of view .. that sticking around is what I am looking for most of all |
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| 19:35.27 | asaldhan | meflin: wonder how many proposals for an idea called "Create the next Instagram" ;) |
| 19:35.48 | asaldhan | would reject all of them. |
| 19:35.55 | meflin | not sure what that means :) |
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| 19:37.13 | meflin | hmm some iphone type app ... well not out kind of stuff :) |
| 19:38.02 | ChrisOelmueller | we really appreciate applications with own ideas, but the students need to contact us before they actually apply with that idea so that we can check whether we think it is useful, fits our schedule and there's enough mentors for that field |
| 19:39.24 | hsr | google/melange should be in the next list of orgs |
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| 19:39.38 | hsr | they have *many* things to be fixed |
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| 19:40.01 | ChrisOelmueller | hsr: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/melange |
| 19:40.25 | hsr | :p |
| 19:40.29 | asaldhan | hsr: u seem to be pretty unhappy with melange |
| 19:40.41 | hsr | not unhappy |
| 19:40.50 | hsr | not fully satisfied :p |
| 19:40.51 | meflin | I try not to complain much about melange when I am not willing to put in the work to improve what I think isn't done the best :) |
| 19:40.55 | sumit786raj | hey !!! students selection is done or is it still in the process ??? |
| 19:41.07 | meflin | in process |
| 19:41.17 | ChrisOelmueller | !bug | hsr |
| 19:41.17 | gsocbot | hsr: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 19:41.33 | asaldhan | filing bugs is good |
| 19:41.42 | ChrisOelmueller | for any interface issues you may want to report, this is a good place to do |
| 19:41.47 | asaldhan | although one bug I filed got an instant "will not fix". :) |
| 19:41.58 | meflin | well most the "bugs" would involve figuring out "right behavior" |
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| 19:42.04 | hsr | see |
| 19:42.31 | meflin | on my non-gsoc project I get lots of those types of reports : this is bad! .. then I wonder .. ok what is good? |
| 19:42.32 | asaldhan | hsr: melange is still usable. thankful it exists in the first place. :) |
| 19:42.34 | hsr | a simple mention of fixes and everyone frightens you with links and comments :p |
| 19:42.47 | ChrisOelmueller | heh |
| 19:43.02 | asaldhan | hsr: welcome to open source, where you "take" but dont "give" (bug reports/feedback) |
| 19:43.42 | hsr | I would have worked something out if I knew the melange source |
| 19:43.44 | meflin | so far I've not seen much that is just to bad to use |
| 19:43.59 | hsr | no one said 'bad' |
| 19:43.59 | meflin | meh what I am talking about isn't even code |
| 19:44.07 | hsr | the framework is just superb |
| 19:44.16 | hsr | the UI is meh |
| 19:44.32 | Lennie | asaldhan, doesn't mean it wasn't appreciated :P |
| 19:44.33 | meflin | if something is bad in the UI .. figure out how it good would work |
| 19:44.35 | Lennie | we can't just cater to everyone |
| 19:44.39 | Lennie | someone will complain |
| 19:44.41 | hsr | and as a student, I can't know what goes behind |
| 19:44.51 | Lennie | *will always complain :0 |
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| 19:45.16 | Lennie | hsr, you should have seen the UI 2 years ago or even longer :P |
| 19:45.27 | hsr | I can imagine hehe |
| 19:45.31 | gevaerts | Ah, the good old days! |
| 19:45.35 | asaldhan | Lennie: hsr: things will get better. :) |
| 19:45.42 | meflin | for certain values of good :D |
| 19:45.44 | Lennie | in fact |
| 19:45.45 | Lennie | http://code.google.com/soc/2006/ |
| 19:45.47 | Lennie | 2006 UI :P |
| 19:45.55 | schumaml | hm... if it was worse two years ago, was it better last year? |
| 19:46.14 | Lennie | schumaml, yes it was this UI last year (except during org apps) |
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| 19:46.21 | asaldhan | Lennie: yeah, the iphone was released in 2007. ;) |
| 19:46.23 | Lennie | well minus the dashboardness :P |
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| 19:46.45 | Lennie | this is the first year that the backend is actually ready way before something has to happen :) |
| 19:46.48 | hsr | tbh, the bashboard seems to be a one night work |
| 19:46.53 | schumaml | well, the dashboard of a SSN |
| 19:47.09 | Lennie | good time to reflect and figure out what doesn't work well for some people :) |
| 19:47.18 | asaldhan | hsr: can I give you the urls of my OSS projects? u r a great critic. |
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| 19:47.25 | Lennie | hsr, you better not tell that to our student :P |
| 19:47.27 | hsr | hehe |
| 19:47.30 | meflin | well and to give good examples of workflow and how it could work better |
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| 19:47.59 | schumaml | IMO a good approach would be questions like "you have 30 seconds to do $task in melange" ;) |
| 19:48.00 | hsr | asaldhan, sure I'm more than willing to help ;) |
| 19:48.19 | asaldhan | hsr: unless that is your full time job |
| 19:48.25 | Lennie | Anyway for the 10 that complain there are lucky also a few that understand our situation :) |
| 19:48.25 | schumaml | nd check how many of the current developers manage to do that |
| 19:48.29 | Lennie | and are happy that we do it |
| 19:48.32 | hsr | lol no |
| 19:48.39 | hsr | got better things in life |
| 19:48.42 | asaldhan | Lennie: I like the melange site |
| 19:48.46 | hsr | eating food |
| 19:48.49 | hsr | and beer |
| 19:48.51 | hsr | :p |
| 19:48.58 | asaldhan | Lennie: it is just enough to get things done |
| 19:49.12 | Lennie | asaldhan, I hope to have a smoother process next year :) |
| 19:49.32 | asaldhan | Lennie: next year, I wont fight for slots. promise. :) |
| 19:49.34 | Lennie | a lot of work also goes into making it easy for carols :P |
| 19:49.36 | schumaml | one change I didn't quite understand was the move from wrapped text in the applications list to clipped |
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| 19:50.06 | Lennie | I don't think that was a conscious move |
| 19:50.36 | Lennie | Maybe one day we can get rid of the JQGrids ^_^ |
| 19:50.37 | asaldhan | Lennie: is hsr coming to the oct mentor meeting? |
| 19:50.41 | Lennie | When AppEngine has some more support |
| 19:50.59 | Lennie | asaldhan, ... how should I know :P? I don't know who hsr is :D |
| 19:51.15 | asaldhan | Lennie: because we can then make him code a rapidfire melange alternative. ;) |
| 19:51.22 | arthursribeiro | !next |
| 19:51.23 | gsocbot | arthursribeiro: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
| 19:51.52 | Lennie | asaldhan, good luck on that :P |
| 19:52.06 | asaldhan | sees hsr afk already. |
| 19:52.08 | budili | Why orgas get only a limited number of slots?? |
| 19:52.15 | Lennie | lol |
| 19:52.24 | Lennie | budili, imagine not having a limited number |
| 19:52.33 | Lennie | I |
| 19:52.39 | Lennie | I'd like unlimited cash from Google ^^ |
| 19:52.54 | Lennie | Also otherwise one can accept just any riff-raff :P |
| 19:52.54 | hsr | :O |
| 19:53.05 | hsr | I'm not a mentor lol |
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| 19:53.16 | hsr | just an irc addict :p |
| 19:53.17 | asaldhan | Lennie: we need unlimited cash to eat in oslo restaurants. ha ha! |
| 19:53.24 | carols | budili: because there's a limited budget for the program. |
| 19:53.28 | budili | hm okay, you are right, but if an orga have good ideas and students would be do it ... ? |
| 19:53.38 | MatthewWilkes | asaldhan: Try Tønsberg |
| 19:53.42 | carols | budili: they're welcome to work with the orgs outside the boundaries of gsoc. |
| 19:53.55 | budili | carols: okay, I understand |
| 19:53.59 | carols | great |
| 19:54.27 | Lennie | you are welcome to make the website better :P |
| 19:54.30 | Lennie | code.google.com/p/soc ^^ |
| 19:54.35 | budili | I dont know, that the budget is limited |
| 19:54.46 | MatthewWilkes | asaldhan: 600 NOK for a barely edible steak… still in shock years later |
| 19:55.00 | hsr | carols, I wanted to say this for a long time |
| 19:55.11 | asaldhan | MatthewWilkes: I think I went to Burger King and was $50 poorer in oslo |
| 19:55.13 | hsr | you are the only female irc user I've ever seen |
| 19:55.18 | hsr | :p |
| 19:55.26 | meflin | you dont look very hard then |
| 19:55.28 | MatthewWilkes | headdesks |
| 19:55.47 | ChrisOelmueller | only thing worse than oslo is trondheim, really |
| 19:55.53 | asaldhan | hsr: are u a bot? |
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| 19:56.04 | hsr | not sure |
| 19:56.10 | hsr | I eat stuff |
| 19:56.12 | Lennie | asaldhan, boten anna :P/ |
| 19:56.29 | Lennie | Google it if you need to :) |
| 19:56.46 | Lennie | hsr, you are already wrong btw |
| 19:56.48 | MatthewWilkes | hsr: I recommend http://storify.com/selenamarie/today-for-the-first-time-i-got-harrassed-on-irc |
| 19:56.51 | Lennie | I see at least one other femal here :) |
| 19:56.58 | Lennie | female* |
| 19:57.29 | budili | Google is great, I think the whole idea about GSoC is really fantastic !! |
| 19:57.51 | hsr | MatthewWilkes, hehe, not a first time irc user |
| 19:57.53 | hsr | ;) |
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| 19:59.01 | Lennie | budili, don't forget GCI :P |
| 19:59.06 | Lennie | !gci | budili |
| 19:59.06 | gsocbot | budili: "gci" is gci is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See http://code.google.com/gci |
| 19:59.09 | Lennie | ^^ |
| 19:59.11 | JordiGH | asaldhan: What currency is "$"? There are at least 10 currencies that use that symbol. |
| 19:59.21 | hsr | lol |
| 19:59.23 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:59.41 | Lennie | Canadian $ for sure :P |
| 19:59.48 | JordiGH | The peso symbol is very widespread. |
| 19:59.53 | asaldhan | JordiGH: it stands for a currency that is losing value |
| 19:59.54 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: 💵 |
| 20:00.01 | hsr | ^ that |
| 20:00.14 | asaldhan | JordiGH: today I exchanged $301 for a full 220 euros |
| 20:00.19 | budili | Lennie: ohh cool (GCI), that sound cool |
| 20:00.23 | JordiGH | They are all losing value. |
| 20:00.39 | dzhus | Down with paper! |
| 20:00.42 | JordiGH | asaldhan: Are you talking about MXN, USD, CAD, AUD...? |
| 20:00.54 | hsr | nice time to buy some domains, when $ is down |
| 20:00.55 | asaldhan | JordiGH: ahhh. |
| 20:00.56 | hsr | :p |
| 20:01.03 | asaldhan | JordiGH: USD |
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| 20:01.20 | asaldhan | JordiGH: u must be the google finance calculator |
| 20:01.30 | JordiGH | No, I'm just used to using ISO currency codes. |
| 20:01.41 | JordiGH | I frequently deal in three currencies that use the $ sign. |
| 20:01.49 | JordiGH | So I just got tired of it and started using ISO currency codes. |
| 20:02.06 | asaldhan | JordiGH: where I live (Chicago), we use $ for USD. |
| 20:02.16 | JordiGH | The world is bigger than Chicago. |
| 20:02.31 | asaldhan | JordiGH: sure Sweden is not Steig Larsson's house. |
| 20:02.51 | asaldhan | :) |
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| 20:04.20 | hsr | MatthewWilkes, lol nice article :) |
| 20:05.30 | meflin | I dont see anything to laff about |
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| 20:08.12 | monadist | hey i got an alert on my proposal page... |
| 20:08.23 | monadist | ALERT: This proposal has been flagged as ignored by the organization administrators. You will NOT be allowed to update or withdraw the proposal now. If you think this is incorrect, contact your organization administrators to resolve this situation. |
| 20:08.34 | monadist | so does this mean its already been rejected"? |
| 20:08.35 | meflin | so contact your org |
| 20:08.55 | carols | monadist: you should ask the org admin, as directed. |
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| 21:02.33 | ggeeorge | !next |
| 21:02.34 | gsocbot | ggeeorge: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 21:06.06 | JordiGH | When are the slots finalised? |
| 21:06.26 | carols | JordiGH: you mean when are the slots in cement, no more transfers or changes? |
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| 21:06.57 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 21:07.20 | carols | JordiGH: 18:00 on Friday, april 20 |
| 21:07.25 | carols | 18:00 utc i should say |
| 21:08.01 | JordiGH | I see, so is that what "all slot assignments must have been made" means? |
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| 21:08.18 | JordiGH | That each org has finalised the number of slots it gets? |
| 21:08.23 | carols | JordiGH: all slots for any given org need to have a student and mentor allocated to them. |
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| 21:11.12 | JordiGH | carols: Uhm, I thought the red colour for the number of slots in melange means that this number can still change. Is that number not going to change by April 20? |
| 21:11.31 | carols | JordiGH: it might. some orgs might give up or take slots from the pool. it also might now. |
| 21:11.36 | carols | not |
| 21:11.42 | carols | depends :-) |
| 21:11.48 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Great typo. Looked like a threat ;) |
| 21:11.48 | JordiGH | I mean, "after April 20"? |
| 21:12.16 | carols | JordiGH: after the deduplication meeting all allocations are final. |
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| 21:12.39 | JordiGH | !deduplication |
| 21:12.39 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "deduplication" is on April 22nd: 19:00 UTC in #gsoc for people who can take deduplication decisions on behalf of the orgs. Usually this means an admin, but a mentor could represent the org as well. |
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| 21:12.51 | carols | is there a specific question for your org you're trying to answer? maybe it would help me better if i tried to answer that for you. |
| 21:12.52 | JordiGH | I see. |
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| 21:14.01 | JordiGH | carols: I'm trying to see what are the chances of getting the slots I want for Octave under GNU. There are four projects I really want to accept, and GNU has already automatically accepted one of them. Someone from another org offered me a slot, so that's two that I'm sure of. GNU has yet to decide on 7 slots, and I still want to get two projects in. |
| 21:14.25 | carols | JordiGH: well, you have a week and a day to try to get them. |
| 21:14.38 | meflin | that also involves gnu |
| 21:14.39 | carols | so have the conversations now if you want to with the orgs you're hoping will give up slots. |
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| 21:17.37 | buffyg | Dear relative, the reason I'd like your kidney is... |
| 21:18.03 | meflin | butter and rosemary |
| 21:18.43 | buffyg | Donates only accepted with a nice bottle of chianti. |
| 21:18.49 | buffyg | er, Donations |
| 21:18.51 | meflin | heh ::) |
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| 21:29.13 | downey | Does anyone know *for sure* in the current Melange UI, if we switch mentor for a proposal, can the student see the value/change? |
| 21:29.43 | meflin | why would you hide that ? |
| 21:29.59 | meflin | the student and mentor need all the bonding they can get |
| 21:30.17 | aghisla | do you mean before 23rd April, or afterwards? |
| 21:30.33 | downey | I mean right now, before acceptance/rejection :) |
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| 21:30.48 | JLuc | !next |
| 21:30.49 | gsocbot | JLuc: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Deduplication meeting April 20, 19:00 UTC. All slot assingments must have been made by 07:00 UTC. |
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| 21:32.42 | meflin | why would you hide that ? |
| 21:32.43 | aghisla | downey: I don't know for sure, but I assume that students don't see assigned mentors before acceptation. |
| 21:33.47 | downey | aghisla: that's my assumption too but i'd rather work based on something more that that :) |
| 21:35.22 | meflin | scratches head |
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| 21:38.50 | Michitux | I haven't been student yet, but assigning students is usually something you only do for proposals that are likely to be accepted, so it would be really strange if melange showed that to students |
| 21:39.00 | Michitux | I mean: assigning mentors |
| 21:39.26 | ChrisOelmueller | agreed |
| 21:39.42 | downey | Michitux: Actually, that's how we sort our proposals to be reviewed by specific mentors/projects. |
| 21:40.18 | Michitux | downey: you could also use an extra column for that ;) |
| 21:40.19 | downey | Michitux: But I agree that it *shouldn't* be showed until they are accepted (or not). But I'd rather not cause concern/rumors/etc. if I change a value here or there. |
| 21:40.34 | downey | Michitux: Seems a bit redundant. :) |
| 21:40.50 | Michitux | you are supposed to assign mentors for proposals you want to accept |
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| 21:41.24 | Michitux | and assigning mentors is as "bad" as changing them concerning the affect on students |
| 21:43.20 | Lennie | TL;DR -> No it doesn't show at all go ahead and flip bits |
| 21:43.29 | downey | Lennie: Thanks. :) |
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| 21:45.00 | downey | carols: free for a quick pm? |
| 21:45.07 | carols | downey: sure |
| 21:45.47 | Lennie | back to writing tests ^^ |
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| 21:59.25 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
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| 21:59.56 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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