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| 00:03.51 | MatzeWilkes | Man, I am getting so pissed off with the lulzsec style DDoS of govt websites |
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| 00:04.39 | MatzeWilkes | people misunderstand it as serious intrusions and cause all sorts of trouble for those of us against politicians fiddling with the net |
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| 00:15.33 | ajed | MatzeWilkes, they're hurting their supposed cause even more... ironically |
| 00:15.39 | MatzeWilkes | ajed: No, they're not |
| 00:16.08 | MatzeWilkes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc |
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| 00:16.40 | ajed | lol |
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| 00:17.31 | pelotron | any articles I read about lulzsec have made the connection to the protest against gov't meddling with the internet |
| 00:17.51 | pelotron | of course this is on tech news websites; who knows what Fox News, etc, are saying about them |
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| 01:33.31 | ThomasWaldmann | can students still edit the TITLE of their submitted applications? |
| 01:34.36 | thgil | nope |
| 01:35.06 | ThomasWaldmann | "My proposal to MoinMoin organization" is not very usable. :) |
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| 02:11.07 | thgil | !next |
| 02:11.08 | gsocbot | thgil: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
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| 02:13.07 | thgil | Anyone apply to INCF? |
| 02:16.22 | konr | nope |
| 02:16.25 | konr | what is it? |
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| 02:23.12 | Fare_ | konr: incf.org |
| 02:24.36 | konr | oh wow |
| 02:24.47 | konr | serious business |
| 02:24.57 | Fare_ | thgil this is cool :) |
| 02:25.11 | Catfish_Man | why does their website redirect to a bare ip? O_o |
| 02:25.52 | thgil | Catfish_Man: No idea.. It didnt before |
| 02:27.11 | thgil | I sent them a proposal and haven't heard anything from them |
| 02:27.24 | thgil | No feedback/comment ect |
| 02:27.45 | thgil | Just wanted to know if anyone else has heard from them |
| 02:28.00 | Fare_ | Email address for informal inquiries: gsoc@incf.org |
| 02:28.08 | Fare_ | # INCF's public users list: http://lists.incf.org/mailman/listinfo/incf-users |
| 02:28.18 | Fare_ | INCF's public developers list: http://lists.incf.org/mailman/listinfo/incf-developers |
| 02:28.45 | thgil | Fare_: Thanks |
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| 02:28.55 | konr | that incf stuff is pretty interesting |
| 02:29.41 | thgil | Im hoping to do the "GPU-Based Neural Simulator" project |
| 02:29.46 | thgil | sounds fun :D |
| 02:29.52 | Fare_ | subscribe to mailing list and give some feedback |
| 02:31.17 | Fare_ | thgil http://www.incf.org/resources/research-tools/resources_listing_view?getResource_type=Software%20repository |
| 02:37.32 | thgil | Fare_: ty for the links |
| 02:37.46 | Fare_ | yw |
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| 04:28.21 | proteen | if my mentor asks me to elaborate on my proposal, what do I do ? submit another proposal or just add the relevant part in comments |
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| 04:29.45 | thgil | proteen: You cant submit another one so I guess just add to the comments |
| 04:30.02 | proteen | ok fine thank you |
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| 07:02.12 | wtachi | !logs |
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| 07:23.54 | sidsniper | hi |
| 07:23.58 | sidsniper | anyone here? |
| 07:24.09 | myth17 | yeah |
| 07:24.12 | myth17 | :) |
| 07:24.44 | sidsniper | what is the total amount a student will get? |
| 07:24.54 | myth17 | 5000 uSD |
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| 07:25.23 | sidsniper | not 6000 USD? |
| 07:25.30 | rohandalvi | anyone here applied for PhpBB? |
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| 07:25.46 | myth17 | I think it is 5000USD, not dead sure though |
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| 07:28.08 | brunoais | rohandalvi: ME *evil laugh* |
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| 07:28.44 | rohandalvi | which project brunoais? |
| 07:28.54 | brunoais | *big grin* |
| 07:28.59 | brunoais | private forum system |
| 07:29.11 | brunoais | I'm making a better one than anyone I've seen |
| 07:29.20 | brunoais | how about you? |
| 07:29.27 | rohandalvi | do you have previous work experience with any of the organizations? |
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| 07:30.06 | brunoais | yes |
| 07:30.54 | rohandalvi | which one? |
| 07:31.56 | brunoais | phpBB |
| 07:32.35 | rohandalvi | oh |
| 07:32.42 | rohandalvi | i have applied for website project |
| 07:33.12 | brunoais | what are you trying to do :)? |
| 07:33.59 | rohandalvi | frontend implementation of frequently visited pages |
| 07:34.11 | rohandalvi | and a generalized layout for other views |
| 07:34.21 | rohandalvi | covers Design and UI |
| 07:34.32 | rohandalvi | I have previously worked for Mozilla |
| 07:35.58 | brunoais | Mocilla website? |
| 07:36.05 | brunoais | *Mozilla website? |
| 07:36.47 | brunoais | I was thinking on working on firefox but then... I don't know much about how firefox's code really works |
| 07:37.05 | brunoais | so I didn't go into mozilla |
| 07:37.13 | brunoais | I went into something more fun |
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| 07:38.03 | rohandalvi | brunoais is there a mercurial link to download phpbb code? |
| 07:38.25 | brunoais | what's a mercurial link? |
| 07:38.44 | rohandalvi | have u used "hg clone"? |
| 07:38.54 | brunoais | what's hg? |
| 07:39.18 | brunoais | is that a version contrlo program (or what it's called)? |
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| 07:41.12 | skelet | hg = mercurial |
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| 07:42.06 | brunoais | this: http://mercurial.selenic.com/ |
| 07:42.07 | brunoais | ? |
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| 07:42.49 | skelet | yep |
| 07:43.18 | myth17 | I am wondering how many slots is my organization getting :) |
| 07:43.20 | brunoais | rohandalvi: I don't use mercurial. I use git |
| 07:43.47 | brunoais | myth17: don't oyu know already? |
| 07:44.02 | myth17 | brunoais: I am student. |
| 07:44.09 | skelet | brunoais: i think this mercurial is similar to git, but i haven't used it so... |
| 07:44.52 | brunoais | myth17: Oh... which organization are you gonna program to? |
| 07:45.13 | Catfish_Man | myth17, brunoais: nobody on earth knows how many slots any given organization will get, currently |
| 07:45.15 | brunoais | skelet: I think so too. The commands look similar, also |
| 07:45.40 | myth17 | brunoais: I am applying for Berkman Center at Harvard |
| 07:45.46 | brunoais | Catfish_Man: Not even google itself? |
| 07:45.50 | Catfish_Man | brunoais: correct |
| 07:45.51 | brunoais | myth17, niice |
| 07:45.59 | Catfish_Man | skelet, brunoais: hg and git were created in response to the same situation, at the same time, by people who knew each other |
| 07:46.07 | Catfish_Man | they make somewhat different tradeoffs, but are pretty similar |
| 07:46.14 | brunoais | I c... |
| 07:46.24 | brunoais | why 2 different, then? |
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| 07:46.46 | brunoais | there must be a reason behind why there are 2, right? |
| 07:46.51 | Catfish_Man | they were started independently |
| 07:47.12 | brunoais | but knowing the other existed, isn't that? |
| 07:47.21 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 07:47.27 | brunoais | oh |
| 07:47.33 | brunoais | ok, then athat makes sense |
| 07:47.45 | brunoais | does mercurial have also GUI's? |
| 07:47.52 | brunoais | which is more famous? |
| 07:48.20 | Catfish_Man | brunoais: git's initial release was only 4 days after work started on it, so it's not like there was a lot of time to discuss things ;) |
| 07:48.30 | Catfish_Man | and yes, there are guis for both, though I don't use a gui for either |
| 07:48.45 | brunoais | k |
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| 07:49.58 | brunoais | mercurial does seem not to have the repository system like git, though. In git I can access code in a main site with a tree structure... |
| 07:50.28 | Catfish_Man | brunoais: that indicates that you haven't actually read anything about mercurial :P |
| 07:50.46 | brunoais | I only read a little |
| 07:51.10 | brunoais | I didn't find the link to where the repositories are |
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| 07:51.37 | Catfish_Man | brunoais: …wherever the project decided to put them. Same as git |
| 07:51.51 | brunoais | are they all in the companies' servers? |
| 07:52.01 | Catfish_Man | what company? |
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| 07:52.46 | Catfish_Man | heck, what servers? |
| 07:52.49 | brunoais | dunno. I was thinking like svn. A company buyies it and then places online in their own servers |
| 07:52.51 | Catfish_Man | you don't need servers to use either of those |
| 07:53.04 | Catfish_Man | (though it's convenient) |
| 07:53.12 | brunoais | I'm trying to get a quick view about how it works |
| 07:53.13 | Catfish_Man | svn is free... |
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| 07:58.28 | Catfish_Man | brunoais: anyway, you get a mercurial repository with hg clone; for example to get the adium repository, you would use 'hg clone http://hg.adium.im/adium' |
| 07:58.51 | brunoais | and a git from git clone :) |
| 07:59.24 | Catfish_Man | hm. By "repository system" did you mean "web-based viewer"? |
| 07:59.47 | brunoais | yeah. (man! what a twist) |
| 07:59.58 | Catfish_Man | that was an *extremely* unclear way to phrase that :P |
| 08:00.12 | brunoais | agree |
| 08:00.18 | Catfish_Man | but, here's an example of a web-based viewer for an hg repository: http://hg.adium.im/adium/ |
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| 08:04.15 | Catfish_Man | g'night |
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| 08:35.08 | klocatelli | oop |
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| 09:01.29 | perepujal | Hi, any gsoc admin available right now? |
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| 09:02.41 | ajed | you should just ask your question, perepujal |
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| 09:03.45 | perepujal | What have we to do if the project admin disappears and the backup admin still has not rights to put things in place? |
| 09:04.48 | perepujal | mail carols? |
| 09:04.51 | |Kev| | Write a mail to Carol and Cat explaining the situation, and see what they say. |
| 09:05.11 | |Kev| | Normally I'd just say Carol, but given that she's not there at the moment, including Cat seems sane. |
| 09:05.51 | perepujal | Thanks :) |
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| 10:26.42 | raks437 | Now |
| 10:26.51 | Jibesh | now what ?? |
| 10:27.37 | raks437 | So silly of me..i was expecting something from the bot |
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| 10:29.54 | raks437 | Are u bot? |
| 10:30.18 | dzhus | Everyone is a bot. Resistance is futile. |
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| 10:30.54 | raks437 | :) |
| 10:32.23 | perepujal | !logs |
| 10:32.23 | gsocbot | perepujal: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 10:33.29 | raks437 | !now |
| 10:34.03 | raks437 | :-( |
| 10:34.52 | perepujal | gsocbot is on another spacetime ;) |
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| 10:36.52 | raks437 | :-(( |
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| 10:38.27 | brunoais | !next |
| 10:38.28 | gsocbot | brunoais: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
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| 10:39.19 | brunoais | !next | raks437 |
| 10:39.20 | gsocbot | raks437: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 10:41.07 | raks437 | brunoais: That makes me happy! |
| 10:41.16 | param | p@r@m |
| 10:41.34 | brunoais | ^ ? |
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| 10:42.09 | raks437 | I guess !now can be |
| 10:42.33 | raks437 | Keep you fingers crossed |
| 10:42.44 | brunoais | lol |
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| 10:43.42 | raks437 | ;) |
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| 10:47.48 | spacetime | perepujal: gsocbot will be back in a minute. His warp drive broke :P |
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| 10:49.58 | brunoais | !list |
| 10:49.59 | gsocbot | brunoais: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Gsoc, Misc, Owner, Services, and User |
| 10:50.10 | brunoais | gscbot is here ans working |
| 10:50.21 | brunoais | *gscbot is here and working |
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| 13:00.31 | mmadia | !numstats |
| 13:00.31 | gsocbot | mmadia: "numstats" is There are 12 statistics in !numapps. |
| 13:00.39 | mmadia | !numapps |
| 13:00.39 | gsocbot | mmadia: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 13:17.00 | d34th4ck3r | !gsoc |
| 13:17.00 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "gsoc" is Something that allows you to program for the summer in an open source project and win some cash and reputation |
| 13:17.16 | d34th4ck3r | !gsocstats |
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| 13:18.33 | mmadia | !numapps |
| 13:18.33 | gsocbot | mmadia: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 13:19.07 | d34th4ck3r | what about stats for 2012 |
| 13:19.08 | d34th4ck3r | ? |
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| 13:19.39 | mmadia | i'd imagine once the accepted students get announced, they'll be calculated |
| 13:19.47 | Gentlecat | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/04/record-number-of-student-applications.html |
| 13:21.17 | d34th4ck3r | :) |
| 13:21.49 | zhulikas | cool |
| 13:21.54 | zhulikas | 20-30% acceptance rate |
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| 13:22.37 | mmadia | !forget numapps |
| 13:22.38 | gsocbot | mmadia: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:22.45 | mmadia | !learn numapps as "In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted." |
| 13:22.46 | gsocbot | mmadia: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 13:23.22 | d34th4ck3r | !learn life as 42 |
| 13:23.22 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "life" is 42 |
| 13:23.30 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: please explain |
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| 13:23.39 | mmadia | !botabuse|d34th4ck3r |
| 13:23.44 | gevaerts | gets annoyed by people claiming that |
| 13:23.49 | ChrisOelmueller | true |
| 13:24.01 | zhulikas | !life |
| 13:24.01 | gsocbot | zhulikas: "life" is 42 |
| 13:24.11 | zhulikas | makes so much more sense now! |
| 13:24.14 | gevaerts | "the ultimate question about life, the universe and everything" is the same as "the meaning of life", or "life" |
| 13:24.17 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_from_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe.2C_and_Everything_.2842.29 |
| 13:24.53 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: yes, "the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything" is *not* "life". That's the entire point of that part! |
| 13:25.45 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: but it says "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is 42. |
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| 13:26.45 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: it also says "The Ultimate Question itself is unknown." |
| 13:26.49 | gevaerts | d34th4ck3r: yes, and simplifying that to "life" or "the meaning of life" is *exactly* what that sequence is making fun of. |
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| 13:27.40 | gevaerts | So in my view, "life = 42" is missing the point by several lightyears |
| 13:28.04 | d34th4ck3r | !forget life |
| 13:28.04 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: Error: There is no such factoid. |
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| 13:28.43 | d34th4ck3r | !learn 42 as Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything |
| 13:28.43 | gsocbot | d34th4ck3r: "42" is Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything |
| 13:28.53 | d34th4ck3r | gevaerts: better? |
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| 13:29.16 | d34th4ck3r | !life |
| 13:29.30 | mmadia | !botabuse |
| 13:29.30 | gsocbot | mmadia: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
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| 13:31.28 | gevaerts | is one of those people who looks down on those people who look down on those who encounterd thhgttg through the movie first because they first encountered the books. The radio series is the only authentic experience! (although the TV series has some excellent bits too) |
| 13:32.27 | gevaerts | ojwb: nice graph! |
| 13:32.56 | ojwb | you like my evil plot? |
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| 13:33.07 | pc_magas | Good evening |
| 13:33.09 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 13:34.25 | pc_magas | Is there any Dupli9cate acceptance of my submission? |
| 13:34.26 | ojwb | for anyone wonder what we're on about: http://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2012.html |
| 13:34.29 | Raylton | i'm a mentor, I can put stars in student applications? |
| 13:34.38 | Raylton | now |
| 13:34.41 | ojwb | Raylton: probably |
| 13:34.48 | ojwb | unless your admin has scoring disabled |
| 13:35.18 | ojwb | gevaerts: what about the stage play? |
| 13:35.35 | ojwb | or the albums? |
| 13:36.12 | pc_magas | 1 week & 5 days to acceptance.... |
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| 13:36.19 | pc_magas | Crossing fingers |
| 13:36.19 | gevaerts | ojwb: I have to admit that I never experienced those, and that I'm not good enough at adventure games to get very far in the infocom game |
| 13:36.30 | pc_magas | or not Acceptance |
| 13:36.38 | ojwb | ah yes, the infocom game |
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| 13:37.36 | Raylton | ojwb: not disabled, I can put how many stars I want or is there some rule? |
| 13:37.54 | ojwb | Raylton: you should talk to your org admin |
| 13:38.12 | ojwb | there aren't any global rules about it, but your org may have a plan |
| 13:38.59 | |Kev| | ojwb: That's an amusing graph. |
| 13:39.18 | koda | nice graph ojwb |
| 13:39.19 | |Kev| | Of course, what it really needs is to have the final score plotted against submission time :) |
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| 13:39.51 | ojwb | if you plot just the ones we'd consider accepting if we had unlimited mentors and slots against time, it's much flatter at the end |
| 13:40.14 | ojwb | which isn't a big surprise |
| 13:40.48 | |Kev| | I don't know, I find it vaguely surprising. |
| 13:41.04 | |Kev| | I'd have expected it to tail off a bit. |
| 13:41.17 | gevaerts | ojwb: have you tried to find a formula that predicts the numbers yet? |
| 13:41.20 | ojwb | you do get some who have been polishing hard all the time |
| 13:41.36 | |Kev| | ojwb: You do. Although we didn't seem to really, this year. |
| 13:41.36 | ojwb | |Kev|: that's a graph of the cumulative total |
| 13:41.57 | ojwb | we encouraged them to submit earlier and get feedback |
| 13:41.58 | |Kev| | ojwb: Right, that was me being excessively stupid. |
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| 13:45.05 | lak_ | can the students view their scores on april 23rd |
| 13:45.13 | |Kev| | No. |
| 13:45.20 | |Kev| | The scores are never revealed to the students. |
| 13:45.39 | ojwb | the scores are really pretty meaningless, just a tool for the org to use to decide which proposals to accept |
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| 13:47.03 | raylton | ojwb: sorry, did not read your reply, my internet went down, can you repeat that? |
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| 13:47.29 | ojwb | Raylton: you should talk to your org admin - there aren't any global rules about it, but your org may have a plan |
| 13:47.34 | gevaerts | I wonder if any org uses high scores to indicate unsuitability of a proposal |
| 13:47.44 | lak_ | on what aspects is a proposal selected or rejected |
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| 13:47.53 | ojwb | lak_: that's up to the org |
| 13:48.08 | raylton | ojwb: thanks =D |
| 13:48.51 | gevaerts | lak_: technically an org is allowed to select all proposals where the number of words is divisible by seven if they want to |
| 13:49.35 | gevaerts | That's *probably* not a good way to select the best proposals, but someone should go through the numbers :) |
| 13:49.37 | |Kev| | gevaerts: That's old school. We select proposals where the accompanying patch consists of a number of bytes divisible by seven. |
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| 13:50.12 | gevaerts | |Kev|: what if there are two patches? |
| 13:50.27 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Multiply the bytecount and see if the result is divisible by seven. |
| 13:50.52 | gevaerts | So it's enough that one of them is divisible by seven :) |
| 13:51.11 | |Kev| | Ssssh, don't give the game away. |
| 13:51.23 | ojwb | the more patches the better! |
| 13:51.30 | ashfall_ | |Kev|: Multiply the bytecount or add? |
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| 13:51.42 | ojwb | ashfall_: that depends on the org... |
| 13:51.49 | gevaerts | Some actually subtract |
| 13:51.57 | ojwb | that's crazy talk |
| 13:52.04 | ashfall_ | ojwb: oic. Makes sense. |
| 13:52.26 | |Kev| | Right. I think I might take this opportunity to double-check and push through some of the patches students submitted :) |
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| 13:52.49 | ashfall_ | |Kev|: And make sure you count the bytes right! ;) |
| 13:53.36 | |Kev| | ojwb: As far as I can tell, our packaging stuff now works and is ready to go when we make a release. So I'll probably get in touch with you again around July. I'm assuming I shouldn't submit packages for a beta release :) |
| 13:54.06 | |Kev| | ashfall_: Well, the source is UTF-8, so it's a valid concern. |
| 13:54.15 | ojwb | if it's a beta which is solid and useful, that's OK |
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| 13:54.22 | ashfall_ | ojwb: But then if you make 2 patch submissions of 3 bytes each, instead of oone 6 byte patch, you're at an advanage (if the org multiplies) |
| 13:54.30 | ojwb | if it's likely to eat the user's children, not so much |
| 13:55.00 | ojwb | |Kev|: if you want to make the next debian release, that's likely to freeze in june I think |
| 13:55.07 | |Kev| | ojwb: Our trunk always aims to be stable, but... |
| 13:55.08 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 13:55.24 | |Kev| | So maybe if we push hard to have an RC ready by then, we could slip that in? |
| 13:55.40 | lak_ | are the slots given for org different |
| 13:55.42 | |Kev| | Or is it better to include a beta now, and replace it with an RC when that comes about? |
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| 13:55.48 | |Kev| | lak_: Wildly different, yes. |
| 13:56.02 | ojwb | i'd probably get a beta in soonish |
| 13:56.10 | |Kev| | OK, thanks. |
| 13:56.21 | ojwb | that way you'll get a bit more testing, and shake out any issues from the packaging |
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| 13:56.37 | |Kev| | We're going to arrange a hackathon bug splatting week, probably week after next. I'll try to cut a beta at the end of that :) |
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| 13:57.08 | ojwb | if it turns out the version there at freeze time isn't something you'd want in a release, you can get it dropped from the release easily if there are no packages which depend on it |
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| 13:57.28 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
| 13:57.48 | |Kev| | I was going to cut a beta this weekend, but noticed a couple of code cleanliness issues I'd rather see fixed first. |
| 13:58.06 | |Kev| | I'm not terribly comfortable with compiler warnings. |
| 13:58.34 | |Kev| | Shall we take this to a PM and avoid me polluting the channel too much? |
| 13:58.39 | ojwb | sure |
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| 14:46.30 | Mayank | didi bhi eegores |
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| 15:12.01 | tomprince | That is twice I've lost a comment to tinymce. |
| 15:12.05 | tomprince | :( |
| 15:12.21 | tomprince | !bugs |
| 15:12.21 | gsocbot | tomprince: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 15:12.48 | ThomasWaldmann | tomprince: do you mean you posted a comment but did not see it afterwards? |
| 15:14.17 | tomprince | No, it means that I was typing a comment, and accidently navigated away, and lost the comment, since it doesn't appear that the edit field isn't actually a text field. |
| 15:14.47 | ThomasWaldmann | ah |
| 15:14.58 | ThomasWaldmann | well, then don't navigate away :) |
| 15:15.11 | tomprince | I use pentadactyl, and i need to activate pass-through to get tinymce to accept my input, and that mode isn't preserved when switching tabs. |
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| 15:15.42 | tomprince | And, so when I go to keep typing my keys instead trigger navigation (or closing of the tab, or something else) |
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| 16:16.37 | Steves | Hello, i was would-be Mono GSoC participant-student. Although i got in touch with community, did research about my project etc., i postponed submission of my application until very last time on Friday, which i admit was not responsible. I submitted the application at 18:58UTC, but the response was server error and then i didn't have enough time to fill in the form again. I know it's my fault... |
| 16:16.39 | Steves | ...in the end and i learnt my lesson, however, later on i thought at least i could ask you if you could check the server log (or any other log you might have) if my application is not there with a correct timestamp. |
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| 16:17.19 | David_Honeynet | Steves: you are best speaking to Mono's org admins directly, as they can check for you |
| 16:17.35 | David_Honeynet | you should also be able to view it and see comments in Melange if it was successfully submitted |
| 16:17.44 | rohandalvi | how many project mentors are here today? |
| 16:18.17 | David_Honeynet | rohandalvi: probably lots of people online but busy reviewing and scoring thousands of student applications! ;-) |
| 16:19.00 | rohandalvi | ohk, do we need to submit a patch before getting shortlisted for any proposal? |
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| 16:19.34 | David_Honeynet | rohandalvi: that depends upon each mentoring org, you'll need to ask them in their irc channel/mailing list |
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| 16:19.59 | rohandalvi | ohk thanks |
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| 16:22.10 | edeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.30 | Steves | Thanks David, i thing is that it was not submitted, because the server responded with error page, but i thought maybe it could be in some server/application/etc. log. Do Mono orgs have access to these? |
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| 16:24.27 | Steves | *it should read: the thing is that .... |
| 16:24.34 | tomprince | No, they wouldn't. |
| 16:24.56 | thgil | Steves: You can still try to apply to them outside of GSOC |
| 16:26.09 | Steves | Is it possible? Can i still send them my application now with possibility that they would accept me for GSoC? |
| 16:26.33 | |Kev| | If your application isn't in Melange, you cannot be accepted to GSoC. |
| 16:26.50 | |Kev| | The org may be happy for you to contribute to them outside GSoC (without the stipend). |
| 16:26.52 | tomprince | But, I'm sure most orgs would still be willing to mentor. |
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| 16:27.22 | Steves | Alright, yes, I understand :) |
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| 17:52.14 | dontula_kapil | hello |
| 17:52.25 | thgil | hi |
| 17:52.50 | dontula_kapil | what is the responsibility of applicant |
| 17:52.55 | dontula_kapil | upto 23 |
| 17:53.04 | dontula_kapil | upto 23rd of april |
| 17:53.50 | thgil | I think its encouraged to get involved with the org your applying to |
| 17:54.00 | thgil | like bug fixes and patches ect |
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| 17:55.14 | v1z_ | dontula_kapil: I'd say you must show how you can stand out from the pack |
| 17:55.41 | v1z_ | do extras |
| 17:55.52 | dontula_kapil | how can i show them now i mean i have wirtten my proposal |
| 17:55.54 | v1z_ | update your proposal through comments and/or asking for edit permission |
| 17:56.13 | v1z_ | dontula_kapil: thgil gave a good answer |
| 17:56.15 | dontula_kapil | ohk :) |
| 17:56.51 | v1z_ | patches and proof of concepts will be decisive.. |
| 17:56.53 | v1z_ | it seems |
| 17:57.29 | dontula_kapil | is it a better idea to build a prototype of idea |
| 17:57.46 | j2shar | can we update proposal |
| 17:58.24 | ChrisOelmueller | !edit | j2shar |
| 17:58.24 | gsocbot | j2shar: "edit" is Students can edit proposals up until the application deadline. Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline. Note that comments on proposals can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 17:59.28 | j2shar | I just have to add my irc screen name to proposal |
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| 18:00.52 | dontula_kapil | i have mailed the mentor organisation and am also trying to contact them on irc , but iam not getting any feedback till now please give a way to interact with mentors |
| 18:01.29 | MatthewWilkes | dontula_kapil: Follow their documentation on how to get in contact. There's nothing we can add. |
| 18:01.42 | dontula_kapil | ok thank you |
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| 18:26.54 | mmh | how many submitted proposals this time? |
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| 18:27.59 | thgil | mmh: "We had a record 6,685 student proposals from 4,258 students submitted to this year’s 180 participating mentoring organizations." |
| 18:28.33 | thgil | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/04/record-number-of-student-applications.html |
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| 18:29.04 | mmh | nice thanks |
| 18:29.30 | rohandalvi | omg, so many applications |
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| 18:32.18 | j2shar | what was last year statastics |
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| 18:32.31 | X-tonic | how many projects can a mentor take? |
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| 19:04.14 | MatthewWilkes | !numapps | carlasouza |
| 19:04.14 | gsocbot | carlasouza: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 19:08.46 | LetterRip | hi all had an idea and curious what other project admins/mentors think - an idea i had for the 'accept proposal' is make it a tri state - Yes/Maybe/No instead of binary |
| 19:08.56 | LetterRip | the reason is that we have strong proposals that we almost certainly will accept, maybe proposals that need clarification from the student on the proposal and more knowledge of the students capabilities - so will depend of further feedback; and no proposals which are so weak as to not merit further consideration |
| 19:09.08 | LetterRip | the maybes must be currently listed as either Yeses or Noes - so we have to either sort through to seperate them from Yeses, or sort through and seperate them from Noes. And since the Maybes are where most of our mentor effort needs to be focused |
| 19:09.23 | LetterRip | it is a bit of a pain. |
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| 19:12.15 | carlasouza | MatthewWilkes: thanks |
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| 19:16.07 | j2shar | where to get list of gsocbot commands |
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| 19:19.18 | MatthewWilkes | !botabuse | j2shar |
| 19:19.18 | gsocbot | j2shar: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 19:19.28 | MatthewWilkes | hm |
| 19:19.31 | MatthewWilkes | it used to be in there |
| 19:19.39 | wtachi | there's no way to get a list of factoids, unfortunately |
| 19:19.54 | MatthewWilkes | it's /msg gsocbot factoids search #gsoc * |
| 19:19.58 | MatthewWilkes | but there are too many atm |
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| 19:20.08 | MatthewWilkes | so you need to do it in a few batches, like factoids search #gsoc a |
| 19:20.18 | j2shar | MatthewWilkes:Thanks:) |
| 19:20.19 | wtachi | (no good way, at least) |
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| 19:21.18 | thgil | !tea |
| 19:21.18 | gsocbot | thgil: "tea" is Hot! |
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| 19:21.28 | ChrisOelmueller | LetterRip: from what i got off ML postings, the suggested workflow is to mark the "maybe" ones accepted and rank them lower. not sure whether it's easy to filter for that |
| 19:21.42 | LetterRip | ChrisOelmueller: yeah that is what we do now |
| 19:21.53 | LetterRip | but i think my idea is a workflow improvement |
| 19:21.56 | gevaerts | wtachi: participating again? |
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| 19:22.53 | ChrisOelmueller | yes i can see that (especially since Ignore is visible to students, so using that as No and 'not accept' as maybe also doesn't work) |
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| 19:24.39 | gevaerts | Hm, can't custom columns handle this? IIRC we used those last year to mark "colours" (red,green,orange, with actual html styles to make them come up properly) |
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| 19:27.12 | wtachi | gevaerts: yes, I'm hoping to |
| 19:27.42 | LetterRip | hmm i've been unable to do even regular columns, let alone custom :) |
| 19:28.42 | gevaerts | wtachi: good luck! I hope you end up with an organisation that doesn't decide to take part next year due to not caring enough about gsoc internally... |
| 19:28.52 | gevaerts | *not to take part |
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| 19:29.08 | wtachi | thanks! I hope so too |
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| 19:31.39 | LetterRip | can we do custom columns this year? |
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| 19:32.19 | LetterRip | also am i doing regular 'adding' of columns wrong in some way? i press the + button it adds to the columns, then press the x to close the popup and then it reverts |
| 19:32.45 | |Kev| | X-tonic: Except in exceptional circumstances, a maximum of one. |
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| 19:33.48 | X-tonic | |Kev|: Thanks. Actually the reason i asked was cern sft had 2 mentor doing 2 projects each. |
| 19:34.33 | ChrisOelmueller | LetterRip: there's an OK somewhere |
| 19:34.41 | ChrisOelmueller | i also failed at that X first |
| 19:35.26 | |Kev| | X-tonic: That's ok if they do the mentoring as their day job. |
| 19:35.29 | LetterRip | ChrisOelmueller: ah the ok and cancel didn't appear till after i clicked the header of it a bunch of times |
| 19:35.52 | ChrisOelmueller | yep it's a bit .. shaky to say the least |
| 19:36.18 | LetterRip | X-tonic: if the org has folks on its payroll doing mentoring then those folks can tend to mentor more |
| 19:36.23 | LetterRip | since it is part of their job |
| 19:36.40 | LetterRip | however for most volunteers mentoring is competing with their job and other stuff |
| 19:37.42 | X-tonic | right.. Thanks. :) |
| 19:37.46 | LetterRip | ie blender foundation has four coders on its payrolls that will be mentoring, and while we tend to not have them double up since we have a lot of mentoring capacity, they could safely do so without risk of undue burden |
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| 19:40.28 | LetterRip | X-tonic: also it depends on the particular students - ie some students are extremely familiar with the code base already, have already made a significant contribution, etc. and thus will need almost no mentoring time |
| 19:41.09 | LetterRip | and thus the mentor can safely mentor a second student without much risk |
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| 20:11.00 | justinh_ | Hello all! Happy easter/passover/weekend! |
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| 20:12.11 | justinh_ | That it is indeed ;D |
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| 20:35.22 | stepmuel | wow, this is full! |
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| 20:36.28 | Triskelios | thousands of people are involved in the GSoC program, stepmuel |
| 20:37.03 | thgil | !numapps | stepmuel |
| 20:37.03 | gsocbot | stepmuel: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 20:37.53 | stepmuel | bua :-) |
| 20:38.09 | stepmuel | I'm going to do an unpaid internship for two months at a university (not GSoC) and was wondering if anyone here can tell me what kind of visa I will be needing… |
| 20:38.20 | stepmuel | thought the situations are kind of similar… |
| 20:38.36 | stepmuel | I'm Swiss and the internship will be in the US. |
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| 20:39.43 | thgil | stepmuel: J1 visa perhaps? |
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| 20:41.39 | Stepan7777 | stepmuel: situations are not similar |
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| 20:41.54 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: Just call your embassy, they'll be happy to help you |
| 20:42.03 | MatthewWilkes | and they know a hell of a lot more about it than we do |
| 20:42.13 | stepmuel | ok, thanks! |
| 20:42.38 | gevaerts | Of course we can offer misleading advice if you want :) |
| 20:42.51 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: Plus, it means you get to call an embassy, feels cool ;) |
| 20:43.10 | stepmuel | the problem is, they are closed until Tuesday and I will be in England for two weeks starting Friday :S |
| 20:44.08 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: So call them wednesday? :) Honestly, should only take a few minutes on the phone |
| 20:44.27 | thgil | stepmuel: The university you applied to should help you get one |
| 20:46.41 | stepmuel | does anyone know how long it takes to get a visa? assuming I have all the papers… |
| 20:47.29 | stepmuel | my contact person at the university seems to not really know how it works either and I'm afraid I will run out of time… |
| 20:48.26 | thgil | http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/wait_4638.html |
| 20:48.27 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: The embassy will be best, my old university didn't know much about visas either. And it really does differ a lot, you will probably get a decent deal as .ch often gets lumped in with .eu for visa applications, but I don't know the subtlety |
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| 20:55.01 | stepmuel | ok. so it is probably best to just wait until they have office hours. |
| 20:55.07 | stepmuel | thanks for your help! |
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| 20:56.13 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: No problem |
| 20:56.21 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: But, why aren't you doing GSoC? ;) |
| 20:56.45 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: Is it just because the CHF forex rates make the stipend look small? |
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| 20:57.43 | stepmuel | I don't get paid at all… even have to pay for the flight myself. |
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| 20:58.54 | stepmuel | initially I just wanted to get a job for a couple of weeks to get some work experiences… but then I found out about the project and it sounded interesting. |
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| 21:00.26 | stepmuel | its a C++ simulation for network-on-chip… with evolutionary algorithms. |
| 21:01.10 | stepmuel | honestly, CSoC didn't even come to mind. |
| 21:01.15 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 21:01.27 | MatthewWilkes | it sounds fun though, where in the US do you get to go? |
| 21:01.50 | stepmuel | but I imagine it would be kind of hard to be accepted and would probably take more than two months. |
| 21:02.36 | stepmuel | the internship will be in portland or |
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| 21:02.45 | MatthewWilkes | beercoutnry |
| 21:02.51 | MatthewWilkes | country, even |
| 21:02.57 | MatthewWilkes | cool, good luck! |
| 21:03.01 | |Kev| | I've only been to Portland once, and I didn't have any beer :p |
| 21:03.03 | Catfish_Man | stepmuel: oh, that should be nice. I grew up in Portland and lived there until 3 years ago |
| 21:03.21 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: You're doing it wrong |
| 21:03.31 | stepmuel | yes, I'm really looking forward. the city looks really nice! |
| 21:03.33 | |Kev| | So I have frequently been told. |
| 21:03.33 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: They have a decent gin distillery, too |
| 21:03.37 | Catfish_Man | MatthewWilkes: pbbhbthbtt not everyone likes beer :P |
| 21:03.53 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: They have a decent gin distillery, too ;) |
| 21:03.58 | Catfish_Man | fair |
| 21:04.14 | Catfish_Man | at the moment I'm attempting to get my hands on a particular local california limoncello |
| 21:04.27 | |Kev| | I'm trying to think what I would have been drinking at the time. I think I was still in my coke phase. |
| 21:04.32 | Catfish_Man | but apparently running a liquor store is not sufficient to be expected to even know what limoncello is, let alone stock it |
| 21:04.38 | MatthewWilkes | nobody told me limoncello was a sipping drink, it wiped out a whole night of PloneConf Naples |
| 21:04.44 | Catfish_Man | haha |
| 21:05.02 | MatthewWilkes | my last memory was going up to the open bar and being told "Vino Finito" |
| 21:05.05 | MatthewWilkes | so I had a limoncello |
| 21:05.14 | gevaerts | ouch |
| 21:05.21 | gevaerts | That's a bit stronger than wine |
| 21:05.36 | MatthewWilkes | I'd brought a flask of nice whisky with me too |
| 21:05.44 | MatthewWilkes | Plone Conference parties are always dangerous that way |
| 21:05.58 | Catfish_Man | anyway, lunch time, then beach. Bye folks |
| 21:06.06 | |Kev| | Bibi. |
| 21:06.08 | MatthewWilkes | if anyone fancies finding out for themselves http://www.ploneconf.org/ - arnhem 2012 |
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| 21:06.55 | stepmuel | I was at a nerd-party this weekend (actual name!) |
| 21:07.09 | stepmuel | had to pay less because they thought I was dressed up :-( |
| 21:07.15 | stepmuel | the rest of the evening is very foggy. |
| 21:08.05 | MatthewWilkes | stepmuel: Brilliant! |
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| 21:21.50 | SukhE | Hi. Should org mentors be able to see the 'Accept proposal' switch on the applications or is that for org admins only? |
| 21:22.08 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure that's admin-only |
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| 21:22.57 | SukhE | So how does a mentor convey which proposal s/he wants to accept? (new org admin here). |
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| 21:23.18 | waldi | SukhE: he got a "want mentor" switch |
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| 21:24.21 | MatthewWilkes | SukhE: For the admin it shows up as a list of potential mentors, you have to select one and hit accept. |
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| 21:25.51 | SukhE | I see. So after a mentor has stated his/her willingess to mentor a project, we (org admins) accept it ourselves? |
| 21:27.25 | SukhE | By accept, I mean accept the proposal, not the mentor (assuming mentor has already been assigned). |
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| 21:48.59 | SukhE | Ok, thanks. I found the answer in the mailing list. |
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| 22:10.59 | jps | !next |
| 22:11.01 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary |
| 22:11.16 | jps | what? When are slot allocation requests due? Today or Tuesday? |
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| 22:12.56 | jps | " By 19:00UTC on 10 April, please make sure your slot allocation request is accurate." -- Carol Smith |
| 22:12.57 | jps | eek |
| 22:13.27 | jps | that's less than an hour, right? |
| 22:13.37 | |Kev| | Today is the 8th, is it not? |
| 22:13.37 | meflin | its only april 8 |
| 22:13.43 | jps | oh good grief |
| 22:13.45 | jps | thank you |
| 22:13.58 | meflin | would have been to have that on the calander tho :) |
| 22:14.01 | jps | breathes a giant sigh of relief |
| 22:14.34 | jps | I set my stupid calendar to June and it was telling me Sunday is the 10th. Duh! |
| 22:15.15 | jps | can someone who knows how to teach gsocbot put that in !next? |
| 22:15.35 | jps | not as a replacement, but as a "or #2" thing? |
| 22:16.24 | |Kev| | !learn next And do make sure you look at the right month. |
| 22:16.24 | gsocbot | |Kev|: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 22:16.34 | |Kev| | !learn next as And do make sure you look at the right month. |
| 22:16.35 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "next" is (#1) Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary, or (#2) And do make sure you look at the right month. |
| 22:16.46 | |Kev| | jps: Something like that? :P |
| 22:16.49 | jps | :p |
| 22:17.03 | jps | something XD |
| 22:17.14 | |Kev| | Really, what did you mean? |
| 22:17.50 | jps | !learn next as Also, "By 19:00UTC on 10 April, please make sure your slot allocation request is accurate." -- Carol Smith |
| 22:17.51 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is (#1) Until Apr 20 - Mentoring organizations review and rank proposals, contacting students if necessary, or (#2) Also, By 19:00UTC on 10 April, please make sure your slot allocation request is accurate. -- Carol Smith |
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| 22:18.04 | |Kev| | Ah, that makes more sense :) |
| 22:18.16 | jps | ty |
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| 23:51.42 | aericson | Hello, does my University needs to register itself on the program? |
| 23:52.07 | jps | aericson: no |
| 23:52.19 | aericson | jps thank you |
| 23:52.51 | jps | aericson: you may be asked to provide proof of enrollment which you should obtain from them |
| 23:53.15 | jps | (is it "may be" or "will be" this year?) |
| 23:53.49 | aericson | may be |
| 23:54.24 | jps | well, it's a good idea to have proof of enrollment (or acceptance if you haven't enrolled yet) on hand |
| 23:54.42 | jps | I have no idea how that actually works, I'm a mentor not a student |
| 23:54.46 | aericson | Do I need a certified translator to translate it? |
| 23:54.49 | aericson | I see |
| 23:55.13 | jps | I.... better check the FAQ |
| 23:55.34 | jps | !proof |
| 23:55.35 | gsocbot | jps: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/studentinfo |
| 23:56.08 | aericson | nice, very useful |
| 23:56.12 | jps | ("will be" per that) "It is highly preferable for your proof of enrollment documentation to be submitted to us in English" |
| 23:57.42 | thiago | to google |
| 23:57.59 | aericson | thanks |
| 23:58.25 | jps | note that's a 2010 document.... |
| 23:58.51 | MatthewWilkes | 2011 version is here: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo |
| 23:59.01 | MatthewWilkes | 2012 version will be around when there are accepted students to send it to |