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| 02:04.12 | srimal_ | Hi all |
| 02:04.25 | thgil | Hi |
| 02:04.34 | srimal_ | I want to submit a student application to gsoc (for the opencv project) |
| 02:04.53 | srimal_ | I have registered and logged int at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 |
| 02:05.04 | srimal_ | but all I see is a mentors: apply now! button |
| 02:05.26 | srimal_ | even if I select OpenCV as an organisation I only see the mentor's apply button |
| 02:05.48 | srimal_ | how do I apply as a student (or submit a student application for gsoc .. ) |
| 02:05.53 | srimal_ | am I missing something here? |
| 02:05.55 | srimal_ | Thanks in advance |
| 02:06.12 | ojwb | !mentor-apply | srimal_ |
| 02:06.21 | ojwb | !apply-mentor | srimal_ |
| 02:06.21 | gsocbot | srimal_: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 02:06.48 | srimal_ | well thats the text I see on the web site |
| 02:06.49 | srimal_ | it goes |
| 02:07.03 | srimal_ | mentors: apply now! |
| 02:07.04 | ojwb | srimal_: you have mistakenly registered as a mentor in melange |
| 02:07.17 | ojwb | that's why you see that text, but not the student stuff |
| 02:07.37 | ojwb | you can't be both in the same year |
| 02:08.21 | srimal_ | cool thanks. |
| 02:08.44 | srimal_ | So I should tell mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com right. thnks |
| 02:10.02 | ojwb | yes |
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| 03:41.42 | edsiper | hello |
| 03:43.52 | NhanTDN | Hi! |
| 03:44.50 | klocatelli | boo! |
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| 04:20.58 | nischayn22 | can we make two or more proposals to the same org ? |
| 04:21.02 | thiago | yes |
| 04:21.10 | nischayn22 | thiago: thanks |
| 04:21.11 | thiago | not the same proposal, of course :-) |
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| 04:27.15 | ojwb | nischayn22: it's generally a good idea to talk to the org first |
| 04:27.28 | ojwb | they may be able to guide you towards one project over the other |
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| 04:28.28 | hemantkumar | HI |
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| 04:48.19 | brandles | Hi, I'm wanting to apply for GSOC but will be in school full-time until June 14. Am I SOL on being able to participate because my summer starts so late? |
| 04:48.52 | klocatelli | you need tot alk to your org about that |
| 04:49.06 | klocatelli | you might be able to work something out time-wise |
| 04:49.22 | hsr | brandles, school as in? |
| 04:49.35 | klocatelli | I recall that some students did GSoC while being full-time students... but afaik it's *strongly* discouraged... |
| 04:49.48 | klocatelli | but again, talk to the org to find out for sure ^_^ |
| 04:50.08 | brandles | school as in Spring Quarter at university |
| 04:50.26 | ojwb | you can probably work something out for that - june 14th is about 3 weeks in to coding |
| 04:50.57 | brandles | cool, thank you for the info |
| 04:51.17 | ojwb | especially if you can start coding early, doing fewer hours a week, for example |
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| 04:51.43 | ojwb | it's a fairly common issue for students outside the US |
| 04:52.43 | ojwb | having a full time commitment for all or most of the coding period isn't going to work well though |
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| 04:58.26 | edsiper | its amazing how students put their effort sending patches to increase their possibilities to join the project |
| 05:00.21 | Guest66393 | efsiper . yes offcource , when they r interested in developing they will !!!! |
| 05:01.39 | edsiper | yep |
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| 05:12.22 | NhanTDN | How can I send messages to #html channel? |
| 05:13.11 | dan33 | do anybody knows ,how many student applications will be accepted this year for the GSoC? |
| 05:13.56 | tomprince | !numapps | dan33 |
| 05:13.56 | gsocbot | dan33: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 05:14.30 | tomprince | ^ That is the numbers of previous years. I don't know if the number is fixed yet. |
| 05:14.30 | dan33 | thx |
| 05:15.53 | tomprince | I'd guess (based partly on the fact that none of the numers are round) that it depends partly on the number of slots requested by all the orgs. |
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| 05:17.53 | dan33 | is there any channel for GSoC india , |
| 05:18.12 | schock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:19.22 | schock | there are additional Berkman Center proejcts here: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/gsoc/Main_Page |
| 05:19.29 | ojwb | schock: it's frowned upon to pimp your project here |
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| 05:19.43 | schock | ojwb: ah, ok then |
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| 05:19.53 | ojwb | it wouldn't scale well if everyone did it |
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| 05:20.31 | schock | ojwb: sorry! |
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| 07:41.10 | Babak | Hey I couldn't find "submit proposal" link can any one help me? |
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| 07:42.44 | kai | Babak: did you sign up as a mentor by any chance? |
| 07:43.20 | Babak | no, i dont think so. |
| 07:43.30 | Babak | I did GSOC last year, and just updated my profile this year |
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| 07:43.56 | kai | well, then you should see a big orange button |
| 07:44.12 | kai | I'm signed up as a mentor, so I can't tell you how the student interface looks like |
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| 07:45.08 | Babak | all i see on all the org pages is "Mentors: apply!" then a request button |
| 07:45.12 | Babak | in orange |
| 07:46.48 | kai | then this sounds like you're signed up with a mentor account |
| 07:46.56 | Babak | @kai, do u know how i can change it to a student one? |
| 07:47.10 | kai | talk to the melange folks :) |
| 07:47.15 | kai | #melange |
| 07:47.20 | kai | or on their mailing list |
| 07:47.20 | Babak | ok |
| 07:47.27 | Babak | thanks |
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| 07:59.15 | thebolt | hi kai |
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| 08:01.08 | kai | hey thebolt |
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| 08:04.02 | hsr | hikai :p |
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| 08:06.55 | kai | hm, durnit |
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| 08:07.23 | kai | how hard can it be to get LEDs with a color in a specific wavelength range? |
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| 08:10.39 | |Kev| | Depends what the wavelength is, I guess. |
| 08:10.49 | |Kev| | I imagine ~1picometre would be fairly difficult. |
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| 08:12.17 | kai | I'd prefer 419nm |
| 08:12.32 | kai | but probably any shade of violett will be ok |
| 08:13.19 | kai | but none of the stores I checked gives a wavelength |
| 08:14.43 | kai | ah, finally a datasheet that does specify it |
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| 08:24.11 | Upthorn | I keep looking at my system calendar, and seeing that it is wednesday |
| 08:24.24 | |Kev| | Today is Wednesday. |
| 08:24.28 | Upthorn | and panicking because there's only thursday, and friday morning, left |
| 08:24.41 | Upthorn | but I just noticed |
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| 08:41.48 | tomprince | !apply-mentor | Babak |
| 08:41.48 | gsocbot | Babak: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
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| 08:42.04 | tomprince | !apply-mentor | kai |
| 08:42.05 | gsocbot | kai: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
| 08:42.26 | kai | I want to be a mentor, though |
| 08:43.09 | tomprince | Sure. I was just pointing out the factoid. |
| 08:43.17 | gevaerts | kai: you could send such a mail and find out if you can be admin+student :) |
| 08:45.29 | kai | gevaerts: I can. just not in gsoc in the same year |
| 08:46.00 | gevaerts | But surely that's not right! ;) |
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| 08:51.05 | kai | hm, fail |
| 08:51.16 | kai | only the UV leds specify the wavelength :/ |
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| 08:51.36 | thebolt | kai: what wavelength do you need? and how important is the exactness? |
| 08:52.29 | kai | I'm not exactly sure yet. We're looking new DNA dyes that tend to have a flourescence exitation in the violet-blue range |
| 08:52.43 | kai | but the maxima vary per dye used, and we didn't settle for one yet |
| 08:53.23 | kai | I'm just looking because most of the hardware we'd have to buy basically is just a piece of acrylic with a specific color filter, and a bunch of LEDs |
| 08:53.39 | thebolt | but approximatively? 490-500 ? |
| 08:54.02 | thebolt | or lower? |
| 08:54.06 | kai | yeah, one dye is at 420, one is at 480, iirc |
| 08:54.25 | kai | we'd pick one of them, and stick with that for the time being |
| 08:54.54 | thebolt | liteon blue leds are speced to have their peak at 468 |
| 08:55.18 | kai | that's probably close enough |
| 08:55.46 | thebolt | with a relatively small spectrum around it.. not a power-led though |
| 08:56.03 | thebolt | (i had their LED product catalog on my computer) |
| 08:56.06 | thebolt | let me check power-leds |
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| 08:57.32 | thebolt | Cree xlamp blue peaing at 473nm |
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| 08:59.17 | thebolt | (they are speced for a 20nm wide band for their peak though) |
| 08:59.30 | kai | whatever :) |
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| 09:00.01 | thebolt | around 420 is harder to find, cannot find any power-leds at least |
| 09:00.02 | kai | I think once we've settled for a dye, I'll get a bunch of test LEDs and just check which of them give decent results |
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| 09:00.13 | thebolt | maybe there are non-power leds to use |
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| 09:06.38 | kai | oh well, I guess I really need to go to manufacturer's websites for that, thanks for the reminder :) |
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| 09:07.49 | kai | aha.. peak wavelength ' ' nm |
| 09:07.54 | kai | datasheet fail :) |
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| 09:08.42 | thebolt | haha |
| 09:08.50 | thebolt | digikey allows you to use peak wavelength as search parameter |
| 09:10.45 | kai | aha, it seems like digikey and me disagree where in the spectrum UV starts :) |
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| 09:13.38 | kai | oh well, I'll revisit this topic once we've settled on a dye |
| 09:15.57 | thebolt | i would say uv under 400? |
| 09:16.01 | thebolt | or thereabout |
| 09:16.13 | kai | yeah, digikey calls 420nm UV as well |
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| 10:09.51 | _dr | how do i view publicly visible proposals? |
| 10:10.50 | gevaerts | !public |
| 10:10.51 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "public" is If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
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| 10:11.08 | _dr | thanks |
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| 10:16.28 | guifre | _dr, http://www.google.com/#output=search&q=%22http:%2F%2Fwww.google-melange.com%2Fgsoc%2Fproposal%2Freview%2Fgoogle%2Fgsoc2012%22 |
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| 10:20.29 | _dr | guifre: even better, thanks :) |
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| 11:35.52 | daniel_52n | Hi all! I am wondering about the 6. step of the "7. How does the programme work*" item of the FAQ: "Google allocates a particular number of student slots to each organization." - is this essentially a black box to the organisations? |
| 11:36.18 | daniel_52n | Does the order of the ranking or the quality of the applications have an influence on the number for slots? |
| 11:36.53 | gevaerts | daniel_52n: the organisation says how many they would like |
| 11:37.14 | gevaerts | So yes, quality does have an impact |
| 11:38.39 | daniel_52n | well, an org can say how many they would like, but I assume that the org does not neccessarily going to get that many. Or am I wrong here? |
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| 11:38.56 | gevaerts | That's true |
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| 11:40.09 | gevaerts | Lots of other factors influence that number, including past performance, reasonableness of the number (you can ask for 25 slots, but if you only have two mentors I bet you won't get them...), experience of the org, ... |
| 11:40.44 | gevaerts | !slots | daniel_52n |
| 11:40.44 | gsocbot | daniel_52n: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 11:41.18 | daniel_52n | ah, thanks. that's helpful. |
| 11:41.56 | daniel_52n | bot always knows :-) |
| 11:42.50 | gevaerts | Yes, if only we always remembered what the bot knows about :) |
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| 11:46.06 | daniel_52n | right! Well, thanks gevaerts for translating my question to bot-speak. |
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| 11:48.06 | gevaerts | daniel_52n: I wouldn't assume that that wiki description is accurate though. The slot allocation is done by the google people, and while they may have documented last year how they usually handle things, that's not part of the actual rules |
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| 11:51.46 | daniel_52n | Duly noted. I'll learn to accept not knowing details sooner or later. |
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| 12:07.10 | m1k3y | hey, the Benetech page on the GSoC website mentions to apply via this form: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHpmM2hxbDROczNlTy16Y0t2NnFaQmc6MQ |
| 12:07.42 | m1k3y | I've submitted my proposal in this form, but i was wondering if I also need to apply via the regular melange website |
| 12:07.59 | m1k3y | because my proposal doesn't show up on my dashboard on the Melange website |
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| 12:08.59 | sfb | m1k3y: They cannot accept your proposal if it hasn't been submitted via Melange. |
| 12:09.16 | m1k3y | sfb: exactly what I was thinking |
| 12:09.26 | m1k3y | sfb: what do i do? |
| 12:11.37 | boom1992 | hey :) private comments can be seen by applying students as well? |
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| 12:13.55 | NhanTDN | boom1992: Only you can see the comments on your proposals. |
| 12:14.12 | NhanTDN | And also the org. |
| 12:14.41 | sfb | m1k3y: I'd apply on Melange. |
| 12:14.50 | boom1992 | ahh okay, NhanTDN, for communication with students there is no way? or just public comments? |
| 12:15.05 | sfb | m1k3y: You might also want to mention this to them on their group: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/accessible-fbreaderj |
| 12:15.26 | m1k3y | sfb: sure thing, will do |
| 12:15.28 | m1k3y | sfb: thanks |
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| 12:16.45 | sfb | That Google form is misleading and could lead to students thinking they applied when they haven't. )= |
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| 12:24.49 | NhanTDN | How can I find the Terms of Service? I want to read it again. |
| 12:25.00 | moriginal | what happens if someone end his project before early ? |
| 12:26.18 | |Kev| | moriginal: Do you mean "stops working" or "completes the milestones"? |
| 12:26.38 | moriginal | Complete the milestones |
| 12:27.19 | |Kev| | This isn't a common occurrence. They'd likely carry on with testing, documentation and enhancements. |
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| 12:27.23 | olly | would expect them to find something useful to do |
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| 12:27.43 | |Kev| | If they absolutely finished and couldn't find useful things to do with the original proposal, the mentor would probably suggest other stuff to work on. |
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| 12:30.18 | moriginal | |Kev|, i am currently writing my proposal. I think i will finish my project a few days before August. What do you think i should write that I will do after this ? |
| 12:30.39 | |Kev| | moriginal: Have you discussed this with your org? |
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| 12:32.38 | moriginal | |Kev|, they told me "You can then do something else useful for the rest of the summer". But I am not sure what to write in my proposal. |
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| 12:34.43 | |Kev| | moriginal: I guess you have an expectation, then. |
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| 12:35.11 | |Kev| | moriginal: Your choices range from not mentioning it, saying you'll "Do something useful", or suggesting things that you'll do. |
| 12:37.29 | moriginal | |Kev|, thank you. I have one more questions. Should I consider docs writing and testing as milestones ? |
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| 12:37.39 | moriginal | or milestones are just source commit ? |
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| 12:40.41 | |Kev| | moriginal: I consider these things students should be including in every milestone. |
| 12:40.55 | |Kev| | Testing, at least, isn't something you do at the end once a program's written. |
| 12:41.16 | baer | moriginal: how do you know you've reached that milestone without testing? |
| 12:41.18 | aghisla | neither documentation |
| 12:41.58 | moriginal | Ok i got it :) |
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| 13:33.40 | vikash | !next |
| 13:33.42 | gsocbot | vikash: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 13:35.37 | gsocbot | arulmozhi: "tea" is Hot! |
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| 14:18.06 | jose_87 | hey everyone, what's up? |
| 14:18.43 | jose_87 | i have a few questions and i was wandering if there's someone in here that can help me out!!? |
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| 14:19.43 | Phitherek_ | jose_87: Yes, there is, just start asking specific questions :) |
| 14:20.41 | jose_87 | questions on how to choose a project and what do i do after that, 'cause i don't really have any idea on a new project but i'd love to join on someone else's and help as much as i can!! |
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| 14:21.29 | gevaerts | Have you read the FAQ and student guide? |
| 14:23.57 | jose_87 | well, yes but i didn't really find what i was looking for... maybe i didn't look correctly..who knows |
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| 14:24.55 | jose_87 | anyhow, my question is, can i join a team that has a project on mind or do I have to propose a project of my own?? |
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| 14:25.21 | aghisla | jose_87: you have to propose a project on your own. |
| 14:25.22 | JordiGitHate | jose_87: It's very rare to work on a project without an org's sponsorship. |
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| 14:25.30 | JordiGitHate | jose_87: So rare, that you shouldn't consider it a possibility. |
| 14:25.52 | hanshoi_ | look through the accepted mentor organizations and their idea pages. That should get you going |
| 14:26.03 | gevaerts | You have to make your own detailed proposal, but that's most commonly based on one of the ideas provided by the organisations |
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| 14:27.53 | jose_87 | oh ok, i'll start looking there then...thank you very much people!! c u around.. |
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| 14:46.31 | Neis_ | I am a last year high-school student. I'm going to university in September and I will be registered with that university in July. May I participate in GSoC? |
| 14:47.29 | thiago | there's a specific date that you need to be enrolled in, according to the FAQ |
| 14:47.34 | thiago | please check if that date matches |
| 14:47.57 | Neis_ | Ok |
| 14:47.59 | Neis_ | Thanks |
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| 14:49.07 | dadkins | !eligible | Neis_ |
| 14:49.08 | gsocbot | Neis_: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
| 14:49.16 | dadkins | !faq | Neis_ |
| 14:49.17 | gsocbot | Neis_: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 14:49.22 | dadkins | one of those should help :) |
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| 14:49.49 | Neis_ | As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of April 23, 2012, you are eligible to participate in the program. Accepted students will be asked by Google to provide proof of enrollment after acceptance. |
| 14:49.51 | Neis_ | mm |
| 14:50.04 | Neis_ | This means I can't participate :( |
| 14:50.10 | Neis_ | Thanks for your help! |
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| 14:52.47 | newhaskeller | hi.. sorry for such an elementary question, but I have talked to some mentors and they have asked me to apply. But where do I apply? |
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| 14:53.17 | newhaskeller | I haven't seen any submission links on the website |
| 14:53.44 | newhaskeller | nvm |
| 14:53.44 | zhulikas | newhaskeller, Haskell I assume, right? |
| 14:54.24 | zhulikas | there is a list of suggestions for gsoc projects |
| 14:54.53 | zhulikas | and you can write a proposal for one of them or you can think of one of your own |
| 14:55.08 | kai | Neis_: of course this doesn't mean you can't participate in open source |
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| 14:55.29 | zhulikas | kai, it's more fun when there is Google word in it |
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| 14:56.04 | kai | zhulikas: more money maybe, more fun, I don't know |
| 14:56.15 | zhulikas | sure, money also |
| 14:56.17 | Neis_ | kai: true, but with a mentor and a deadline it is easyier:) |
| 14:56.27 | zhulikas | yes, and deadlines/mentors |
| 14:56.41 | zhulikas | actually the whole mentoring thing is quite motivating |
| 14:56.42 | zhulikas | at least for me |
| 14:56.44 | kai | Neis_: well, if you find a project you're interested in, ask them if they feel like mentoring you next to gsoc |
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| 14:57.56 | kai | whoops, time to go pick up stuff before the store closes |
| 14:58.07 | Neis_ | kai: true, but the with an extra payment from google there is more motiviation to work 8 hours/day, even if the work is somethimes less interesting |
| 14:58.19 | Neis_ | kai: thanks for your help:) |
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| 15:09.34 | mobilegeek2011 | Do any GSoC projects require you to relocate for the summer? |
| 15:09.40 | JordiGH | No. |
| 15:09.45 | JordiGH | They're all remote. |
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| 15:10.45 | mobilegeek2011 | Tx did have spent SOOO much time and just noticed one are of overlooked text says "interested students who want to work in the lab..." You have calmed my nerves :)) tx |
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| 16:10.15 | sumanah | Can I report a particular email address to the Melange administrators as an inappropriate user so that his/her access gets shut down? |
| 16:10.22 | sumanah | This person keeps submitting empty proposals. |
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| 16:11.15 | meflin | have you contacted them? it sounds like a error |
| 16:11.46 | sumanah | meflin: I have done so. In case this person persists, I'd like a ban option. |
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| 16:13.28 | meflin | very very weird :) , I've no idea about that sort of case |
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| 16:16.45 | edsiper | Enhancement Request: every time the student update his proposal, get an entry in the "Comments Area" saying "Proposal updated. date..." |
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| 16:18.28 | downey | Probably should join #melange for your feedback :) |
| 16:19.08 | edsiper | thanks :) |
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| 16:23.23 | nemo | I wonder how Bruno Woltzenlogel Paleo would propose changing the contest. |
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| 16:23.28 | nemo | (from the mailing list) |
| 16:23.47 | nemo | I mean, really, we got like 50 applications last year, and a dozen of them were pretty good. |
| 16:24.15 | nemo | But, there was no way we could have even handled a dozen. We would have liked more than 2, but still. People are going to burn a lot of time preparing proposals then not get accepted |
| 16:24.26 | nemo | I don't see any way to avoid that. Supply and demand. |
| 16:24.28 | sumanah | Then they need to not think of that time as burnt. |
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| 16:25.01 | nemo | sumanah: eh. Not my time or my complaint. I was just more curious how 'sactly he thought it could be changed. It seems pretty much unalterable. |
| 16:25.05 | j4ke | hi all, how a student know if his application is accepted ? |
| 16:25.10 | sumanah | !faq |
| 16:25.10 | gsocbot | sumanah: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 16:25.13 | thiago | the studfent will receive an email |
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| 16:25.24 | sumanah | nemo: ah, gotcha. |
| 16:25.44 | nemo | sumanah: curious, but not curious enough to reply to him on the mailing list and kick up the noise level ;) |
| 16:25.56 | nemo | hm. guess I should reply off-list |
| 16:25.57 | nemo | yes... |
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| 16:27.43 | j4ke | thiago: thanks for your reply, does mail arrived before 6th April ? |
| 16:27.52 | sumanah | No. |
| 16:28.33 | armaan | j4ke: 23th April 19:00 UTC |
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| 16:46.17 | agliodbs | is it just me, or is the "ignore" functionality for spammy student applicaitons painfully awkward? |
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| 16:48.32 | roxy | can we edit the proposal after 6th april? |
| 16:48.51 | |Kev| | roxy: You should assume that you will not be able to. |
| 16:49.08 | |Kev| | The org may allow some changes, but usually not. |
| 16:50.29 | roxy | so thier can be chance of adding improvement to present proposal? |
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| 16:50.59 | |Kev| | There is a chance. It is a very small chance, and it requires that the org explicitly asks you to make the change. |
| 16:51.07 | agliodbs | and WTH are we getting so many completely inappropriate applications this year? |
| 16:51.24 | solardiz | roxy: it varies by org. we (openwall) intend to discuss and adjust timelines for some proposals after the april 6 submission deadline. |
| 16:51.28 | agliodbs | I haven't seen such a flood of instant-reject apps since the second year of GSOC |
| 16:51.30 | |Kev| | agliodbs: We're getting fewer this year than in previous years, I guess it's pot luck. |
| 16:51.52 | agliodbs | Kev: I'd love to be getting more legit applications |
| 16:52.07 | agliodbs | but these are like: someone wants to build a shopping cart app using MySQL |
| 16:52.23 | |Kev| | Our applications haven't looked this good for as long as I can remember, I think we're being very lucky this year. |
| 16:52.46 | solardiz | we're getting relatively few relatively good apps |
| 16:52.50 | |Kev| | After some relatively dry years, so I wouldn't get too jealous :) |
| 16:53.09 | agliodbs | kev: the number of legit apps we have is about the same as last year |
| 16:53.12 | solardiz | which may be related to us not advertising our participation in gsoc very widely. also our app template is slightly more complicated now. |
| 16:53.40 | agliodbs | solardiz: ours is long. the inappropriate students just ignore it |
| 16:53.41 | |Kev| | agliodbs: Ah, ok. Could be worse, then. |
| 16:53.48 | solardiz | i mean, relatively few total. the ratio of good ones is thus better than last year's. |
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| 16:53.57 | |Kev| | agliodbs: On the other hand, I think the *really* inappropriate ones are easier to deal with. |
| 16:54.02 | agliodbs | kev: yeah, we're fine with students. we already have as many legit apps we want to accept |
| 16:54.09 | |Kev| | It's the ones at the bottom end of the scale, but still on the scale, that I find time consuming. |
| 16:54.14 | agliodbs | kev: sure, but melange makes it really annoying |
| 16:54.31 | |Kev| | You probably have far more applications, both legit and otherwise, than we have. |
| 16:54.43 | |Kev| | Despite being an umbrella we have a fairly small footprint in GSoC. |
| 16:56.22 | agliodbs | kev: org? |
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| 16:56.46 | agliodbs | kev: what chews up my time are the really good apps I don't have a mentor for |
| 16:57.17 | arvinder_ | anyone tell me about the GSoC |
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| 16:58.00 | nemo | |Kev|: I liked our apps last year a bit better I think :-/ |
| 16:58.28 | nemo | |Kev|: unfortunately we were a noob org last year. |
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| 16:59.08 | lupsyn | hi all |
| 16:59.39 | |Kev| | agliodbs: Sorry, looked away. XMPP Standards Foundation (aka Jabber). |
| 17:00.06 | |Kev| | agliodbs: The thing that chews up my time most are the students capable enough to submit patches to me, but not capable enough for the reviews to be straightforward. |
| 17:00.46 | agliodbs | arvinder_: do you have a specific question? |
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| 17:14.42 | arvinder_ | which organisation do i choose? |
| 17:14.59 | brlcad | one or two that interest you the most |
| 17:15.11 | brlcad | and technically you don't choose, you apply :) |
| 17:15.22 | lupsyn | :) |
| 17:15.40 | lupsyn | the first time i hear about google summer code |
| 17:15.44 | lupsyn | it is an amazing project |
| 17:15.48 | JordiGH | And hurry up, because you have two days to choose. :P |
| 17:15.52 | JordiGH | Tick-tock. |
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| 17:17.22 | LetterRip | !next |
| 17:17.22 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 17:17.47 | lupsyn | yep yep...i apply today... |
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| 17:19.07 | kneczaj | hey |
| 17:19.25 | juspogi | Hey there, I was wondering if someone could answer an application question for me. |
| 17:19.47 | kneczaj | what is the procedure of proposal acceptance, when more than a one organization accepts me? |
| 17:20.08 | LetterRip | kneczaj: the organizations discuss it and decide which one gets you |
| 17:20.12 | kneczaj | which application will I allocated to? |
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| 17:20.19 | LetterRip | some will request your input, some won't |
| 17:20.21 | |Kev| | kneczaj: Usually they'll ask you in that situation. |
| 17:20.46 | |Kev| | kneczaj: This isn't something you should worry about when you're applying. Apply to those orgs with which you want to work, and go from there. |
| 17:20.49 | LetterRip | !countdown |
| 17:20.50 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "countdown" is Countdown for accepted organization list: http://goo.gl/WWIAU |
| 17:21.02 | juspogi | I'm currently a highschool senior and I was wondering if I should submit my highschool name in the school name field or the college I'm most likely to apply to? |
| 17:21.26 | |Kev| | juspogi: How old are you? |
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| 17:21.32 | juspogi | 18 |
| 17:21.42 | LetterRip | juspogi: will you be enroled by the april 18 (i think?) date? |
| 17:22.07 | |Kev| | Then it's down to whether you're accepted at an accredited Uni by the necessary date. |
| 17:22.10 | |Kev| | Right, what LetterRip says. |
| 17:22.22 | juspogi | why April 18th? |
| 17:22.27 | LetterRip | |Kev|: is it accepted or accredited? |
| 17:22.42 | LetterRip | juspogi: not certain on the date - my recollection could be wrong |
| 17:22.45 | |Kev| | LetterRip: The student must be accepted, the institution must be accedited. |
| 17:22.49 | juspogi | and I have already been accepted, it's just a matter of which college I submit my deposit too |
| 17:22.55 | |Kev| | If I remember the FAQ correctly. I confess to not reading it this year. |
| 17:22.57 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 17:22.57 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#age_restrictions |
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| 17:23.52 | juspogi | So, I am 18, I have been accepted to multiple accredited colleges, but I have not chosen which I am attending |
| 17:24.10 | juspogi | So do I submit my highschool name for now? |
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| 17:24.18 | LetterRip | juspogi: i think you need to be able to provide a letter of acceptance |
| 17:24.26 | juspogi | I can do that as well |
| 17:24.29 | LetterRip | you will have to ask carols |
| 17:24.34 | LetterRip | to clarify |
| 17:24.37 | juspogi | carols? |
| 17:24.47 | LetterRip | she is the almight gsoc ruler |
| 17:24.50 | LetterRip | almighty |
| 17:24.54 | juspogi | ahhh |
| 17:24.55 | juspogi | well |
| 17:25.13 | juspogi | I hope I could contact her before friday |
| 17:25.19 | juspogi | since that is the deadline date |
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| 17:26.55 | juspogi | I will be on again later |
| 17:27.02 | juspogi | hopefully she will be as well |
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| 17:30.41 | Shidash | Hello, I am interested in working on my own project for GSoC and have found two orgs that allow me to do this, PSU and umit. Does anyone know of others? |
| 17:31.02 | JordiGH | No org really should let you do whatever you want. |
| 17:31.23 | JordiGH | If those orgs *liked* your project and think it's relevant to their interests, they'll let you do it. |
| 17:32.08 | Shidash | PSU seems to specialize in individual projects. http://summer.cs.pdx.edu/about Am I wrong on this? |
| 17:32.41 | JordiGH | Looks right there that they sponsor things that look promising. |
| 17:32.55 | JordiGH | So not whatever you want. Whatever *they* want. |
| 17:33.09 | JordiGH | "We also do well with students whose coding projects have an academic bent." |
| 17:34.34 | andrei_ | Hi I am a newbie in OSS but I have some experience in working in a team (subversion, bug tracking etc) and have a bit of programming experience (a web application, a Chrome extension, a couple of cool uni software projects). Can you recommend some orgs that would consider a newbie? I ask this because I know most orgs are looking for people that had some contact with their technologies/software. |
| 17:34.57 | LetterRip | andrei_: almost all projects will consider a newbie |
| 17:35.10 | nemo | yep |
| 17:35.16 | andrei_ | LetterRip, Thank you. :) Any particular recommendations? |
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| 17:35.30 | andrei_ | I'm a bit insecure I guess. |
| 17:35.34 | |Kev| | Although you're leaving it very late to apply - most orgs will want to have had significant contact with students. |
| 17:35.36 | LetterRip | andrei_: not really - for blender usually about half of the folks are new coders |
| 17:35.47 | |Kev| | So find someone who looks appealing and get in touch ASAP. |
| 17:35.55 | LetterRip | er 'new to blender' coders |
| 17:36.01 | LetterRip | not brand new coders :) |
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| 17:36.09 | andrei_ | Of course haha |
| 17:36.29 | andrei_ | |Kev|, Thanks for the advice |
| 17:36.41 | LetterRip | but the less experience you have with an org, the higher quality the proposal and better you have to look on paper |
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| 17:37.36 | Shidash | JordiGH: It still seems like PSU focuses on individual projects. |
| 17:37.40 | LetterRip | ie students that have submitted a patch before - we actually know that they have adequate coding skills to get involved |
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| 17:37.55 | LetterRip | Shidash: yes it does, sound like they are willing to mentor projects that a student brings to them |
| 17:38.02 | andrei_ | LetterRip, blender looks nice; can't believe I haven't heard of it before |
| 17:38.10 | JordiGH | Shidash: Everyone focusses on individual projects. You still have to convince PSU that your project is interesting to them. |
| 17:38.11 | LetterRip | andrei_: blender is awesome :) |
| 17:38.15 | nemo | LetterRip: he can still get a patch in now, if he hurries :) |
| 17:38.19 | nemo | LetterRip: he has 2 days to learn the code |
| 17:38.33 | Shidash | Yes, fair, I meant projects independent of an existing open source project. |
| 17:38.35 | JordiGH | Speaking of Blender, did they ever de-GIMPifiy their UI? |
| 17:38.40 | LetterRip | nemo: well if students submit patches after the deadline - as long as before final acceptance we look also |
| 17:38.52 | nemo | LetterRip: yeah. we had one guy who did it juuust before final submission |
| 17:38.59 | LetterRip | JordiGH: heh - the 2.5x series was about rewritting the ui |
| 17:39.05 | nemo | LetterRip: I had to nag several of them to get the patches in |
| 17:39.12 | nemo | they were like. why? final deadline is weeks away... |
| 17:39.19 | LetterRip | nemo - heheh |
| 17:39.39 | andrei_ | Are you serious about sending a patch now? |
| 17:39.42 | LetterRip | yeah - i've been poking students to get their applications in early so we can give feedback before the deadline |
| 17:39.52 | JordiGH | LetterRip: Aw, you gave in? |
| 17:39.52 | andrei_ | I mean I wouldn't mind doing it |
| 17:39.53 | LetterRip | andrei_: you can do a patch after the proposal |
| 17:40.00 | JordiGH | liked the old UI, the little he saw of it. |
| 17:40.18 | LetterRip | andrei_: it is recommended - you want to be sure you can compile our project and understand our code |
| 17:40.37 | andrei_ | LetterRip, sounds exciting actually; what language do you use? |
| 17:41.00 | andrei_ | Nevermind |
| 17:41.03 | LetterRip | andrei_: C is our 'core language', Python for defining UI layout and scripting; C++ for our game engine, and some libraries |
| 17:41.18 | andrei_ | Sorry for the 'lazy' question; thanks |
| 17:41.22 | JordiGH | also likes Gimp's UI. |
| 17:41.34 | LetterRip | heh no problem - i do lazy questions occassionaly too ;) |
| 17:42.05 | andrei_ | Are you a mentor at this year's gsoc? |
| 17:42.27 | LetterRip | mentor and org admin |
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| 17:43.11 | andrei_ | I'm really really interested in this; before going and digging in myself, could you give me a tip about what kind of patch I should make? |
| 17:43.40 | andrei_ | I mean do you already have something that needs working on? |
| 17:43.50 | nemo | LetterRip: game engine? |
| 17:43.53 | nemo | LetterRip: what project are you on? |
| 17:43.58 | sfb | Blender |
| 17:44.06 | LetterRip | andrei_: it doesn't matter too much - we have a small feature list that you can pick from |
| 17:44.09 | LetterRip | nemo: blender |
| 17:44.16 | nemo | huh. I didn't know blender had a game engine |
| 17:44.17 | nemo | nifty. |
| 17:44.20 | LetterRip | a 'easy hacks list' |
| 17:44.21 | nemo | anything using it? |
| 17:44.21 | sfb | BGE |
| 17:44.36 | LetterRip | nemo: nothing really uses it - but it is great for rapid prototyping |
| 17:44.43 | metalfinger | any mentor or admin of nuigroup here ? |
| 17:44.47 | LetterRip | we will probably get it ported to android this summer |
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| 17:45.10 | LetterRip | andrei_: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Quick_Hacks |
| 17:45.21 | LetterRip | andrei_: also see the new developer guide |
| 17:46.04 | andrei_ | LetterRip, Thanks. Should I make the application to gsoc after I do the patch? |
| 17:46.12 | andrei_ | Or the sooner the better? |
| 17:46.15 | LetterRip | doesn't matter the order |
| 17:46.41 | agliodbs | arvinder_: what open source project are you *already* involved with? |
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| 17:47.05 | andrei_ | LetterRip, Okay, thanks for your help and sorry for bugging you like that. :-) |
| 17:47.19 | LetterRip | heh not bugging me - always enjoy trying to get new students invovled |
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| 17:48.30 | arvinder_ | no previous experienced of any project................just done some of the scripts in gcc or in bash shell |
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| 17:49.37 | madalina | Hi... I want to participate in GSoC :) |
| 17:50.08 | madalina | Choosing a project, do I have to come up with an idea or is there a list? |
| 17:50.15 | LetterRip | madalina: a bit of a late start :) |
| 17:50.22 | LetterRip | madalina: most projects have ideas lists |
| 17:50.25 | madalina | i know... |
| 17:50.41 | madalina | and how do i know which ones are taken? |
| 17:50.43 | LetterRip | madalina: linked to from their org |
| 17:50.49 | LetterRip | madalina: ideas aren't 'taken' |
| 17:50.52 | madalina | or their IRC channels |
| 17:50.55 | LetterRip | it is a competitive process |
| 17:51.15 | LetterRip | so multiple students can pick the same idea and then they will pick the best student |
| 17:51.29 | madalina | so they choose based on what? |
| 17:51.30 | LetterRip | madalina: you can ask for recommendations in their irc channel yes |
| 17:51.33 | agliodbs | for some definition of "best" |
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| 17:51.50 | LetterRip | madalina: quality of the proposal, match of student experience and project requirements, etc. |
| 17:52.02 | agliodbs | madalina: proposal quality, skills, existing involvement with the communtiny, match with one or more mentors, etc/ |
| 17:52.03 | madalina | got it thanks :) |
| 17:52.05 | LetterRip | also other intangibles |
| 17:52.08 | agliodbs | each organization has its own criteria |
| 17:52.33 | LetterRip | madalina: which application flew the furthest down the stairs when thrown :) random number generator... |
| 17:52.34 | LetterRip | heheh |
| 17:52.56 | LetterRip | madalina: what is your coding background - perhaps can point you in the right direction |
| 17:52.59 | sfb | LetterRip: If you have any potential students whom can't find a home (subjects are too complex) we need someone to help write an exporter plugin... |
| 17:53.14 | LetterRip | sfb - exporter for and to ? |
| 17:53.17 | LetterRip | er from and to |
| 17:53.30 | sfb | LetterRip: From Blender to Ryzom Core. |
| 17:53.42 | sfb | LetterRip: We're painfully dependent on 3DSMAX. |
| 17:53.44 | LetterRip | sfb ah ok - did you mention it in our python forums? |
| 17:53.47 | madalina | LetterRip, I participated in many programming contests, mostly algorithmic, Google Code-in too... |
| 17:53.55 | sfb | LetterRip: I mentioned it on IRC once. |
| 17:54.09 | LetterRip | sfb - heh |
| 17:54.14 | LetterRip | will mail to our list |
| 17:54.35 | sfb | LetterRip: Which list should I mail? |
| 17:54.36 | madalina | LetterRip It'd be great if I could find something algorithmic highschool-like |
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| 17:55.11 | madalina | but at a higher level of course |
| 17:55.42 | madalina | like ACM or national olympiad |
| 17:56.00 | LetterRip | madalina: what languages are you familiar with |
| 17:56.20 | LetterRip | sfb - bf-committers |
| 17:56.20 | madalina | C++ javascript python octave... |
| 17:56.25 | madalina | many |
| 17:56.28 | LetterRip | ok |
| 17:56.38 | madalina | not a problem, i am a fast learner |
| 17:57.04 | LetterRip | well my default recommendation is always blender - heheheh but that is because that is the org i'm with |
| 17:57.20 | LetterRip | blender is 3d animation tools, video editing, game engine, visual effects, etc |
| 17:57.29 | madalina | nice |
| 17:57.30 | LetterRip | but that might be a bit too challenging |
| 17:57.39 | madalina | I made a 3D game in highschool |
| 17:57.40 | LetterRip | it is fairly competitive for slots |
| 17:57.44 | LetterRip | madalina: ah cool |
| 17:57.57 | Al_Da_Best | Blender is great. Now if only I could find the time to be half decent using it ^_^ |
| 17:58.22 | LetterRip | madalina: well first thing would be to check out blender and see if you can build it |
| 17:58.38 | LetterRip | then try and do a small patch to prove to yourself that you can understand our code |
| 17:58.38 | madalina | LetterRip, i know about blender but not too familiar with it, only played with it a couple of minutes |
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| 18:00.17 | LetterRip | madalina: actually sfbs proposal might be a good one for you |
| 18:00.25 | LetterRip | to do a blender exporter for ryzome |
| 18:00.40 | LetterRip | exporters are pretty easy to write |
| 18:00.55 | LetterRip | and you can use existing blender scripts to see what the relvenant function calls are |
| 18:01.42 | LetterRip | actually that is about a perfectly suited task |
| 18:01.52 | madalina | ryzome like ryzome core? |
| 18:01.59 | LetterRip | madalina: yeppers |
| 18:02.10 | LetterRip | the mmorpg software |
| 18:02.25 | madalina | LetterRip i actually did a task in gci 2010 for them |
| 18:02.49 | madalina | and wesnoth |
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| 18:05.27 | LetterRip | madalina: excellent |
| 18:05.43 | LetterRip | that means you have a little bit of pre exposure with them |
| 18:05.55 | LetterRip | so that will increase your odds a bit |
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| 18:06.34 | ssavi | hi |
| 18:06.51 | LetterRip | hi ssavi |
| 18:06.54 | ssavi | I have problem while submitting the application |
| 18:07.01 | LetterRip | ah - what seems to be the problem? |
| 18:07.15 | LetterRip | aren't you glad you tried it early instead of last minute :) |
| 18:07.16 | ssavi | It says dynamic tag script bot allowed |
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| 18:07.25 | ssavi | Yeah I am |
| 18:07.35 | LetterRip | ssavi: ask in #melange |
| 18:07.36 | LetterRip | probably |
| 18:07.46 | ssavi | Oh .k Thans a lot.. |
| 18:07.47 | ssavi | :) |
| 18:08.22 | madalina | LetterRip, where is that proposal? |
| 18:08.34 | LetterRip | madalina: for ryzome? |
| 18:08.53 | sfb | LetterRip: Thanks for the tip. |
| 18:09.18 | madalina | LetterRip yep |
| 18:09.36 | LetterRip | madalina: non obvious place - http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code |
| 18:09.46 | LetterRip | they are doing gsoc under the worldforge project |
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| 18:11.59 | sfb | Oh, yes, sorry. Us and CEGUI are under WorldForge. |
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| 18:39.56 | djadmin | Hey Could anyone heko me to set my role as student as i am not able to post any project |
| 18:39.57 | djadmin | ? |
| 18:40.51 | klocatelli | what do you mean you can't post a project? |
| 18:41.07 | klocatelli | did you look up your org in the org list and hit the orange submit proposal button? |
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| 18:41.54 | djadmin | Actually when i went to link It says:This page is inaccessible because you do not have a student role in the program. |
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| 18:43.14 | klocatelli | did you set up a student account and log in? |
| 18:43.45 | djadmin | Ya i have set up the student account onyl |
| 18:44.29 | klocatelli | I don't know then, that's exactly what I did and it worked :S |
| 18:44.40 | LetterRip | djadmin: try asking in #melange |
| 18:44.47 | LetterRip | if all else fails :) |
| 18:45.03 | djadmin | thnks buddy |
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| 19:21.04 | juspogi | Hi there, I was here early too. I was asking about the summer program application. I was wondering what should I enter within the School name field if I am currently a high school senior, I am 18, I have been accepted into multiple colleges and can prove my acceptance. Should I put my current highschool or should I enter the college I am most likely to enter(although I am not sure as of yet) |
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| 19:21.30 | klocatelli | I think it's enrollment that matters, not acceptance |
| 19:21.54 | juspogi | Also what is the contact e-mail for the camp since the one posted did not seem to work for me |
| 19:22.05 | djadmin | Ohh Actually i have registed for Organization Admin or Mentor |
| 19:22.21 | djadmin | How to change the role to Student.. Please Urgent Help needed |
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| 19:22.52 | gevaerts | !as-mentor | djadmin |
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| 19:22.55 | gevaerts | hm |
| 19:23.11 | dhaun | !apply-mentor | djadmin |
| 19:23.11 | gsocbot | djadmin: "apply-mentor" is mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) and tell them you are mistakenly registered as a mentor |
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| 19:23.27 | gevaerts | juspogi: the camp? |
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| 19:24.01 | dhaun | juspogi: sounds like something that was just discussed here: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/5e7ee81452d2a2a5 |
| 19:25.17 | gevaerts | juspogi: and in case you're in doubt who to believe in that thread, |
| 19:25.42 | gevaerts | juspogi: and in case you're in doubt who to believe in that thread, Stephanie Taylor works for Google OSPO, so she's the one who's right |
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| 19:27.46 | juspogi | So I may just enter the school I am most likely to enter at this moment and change that decision when needed? |
| 19:28.11 | dhaun | that's how I read it |
| 19:28.15 | |Kev| | I have just been through and commented on/scored every application to our org. I really don't know how bigger orgs cope. |
| 19:29.04 | sttaylor | juspogi: yes, just enter the school you intend to enter at this point and if you are accepted into Google Summer of Code and you change your intended university you can change the profile. |
| 19:29.24 | juspogi | Thank you! |
| 19:29.28 | juspogi | I will do that right now |
| 19:29.33 | juspogi | thank you for the help |
| 19:30.22 | gevaerts | |Kev|: a lot more delegation I guess |
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| 19:30.41 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Yeah. |
| 19:31.04 | |Kev| | We've had more very good proposals this year than in the past, which is skewing things a bit. |
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| 19:31.14 | gevaerts | |Kev|: if you ever make it to the mentor summit, you'll notice that the people from big orgs all have wild looks in their eyes |
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| 19:33.09 | downey | hehe |
| 19:33.24 | |Kev| | I'm probably going to make it to the UK meetup. |
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| 19:33.55 | downey | gevaerts: sunglasses++ |
| 19:34.43 | gevaerts | downey: oh, is that what they are for? I just assumed it was because of the California setting... |
| 19:35.40 | |Kev| | Anyone know the quickest way to wake someone Melangeish up to delete (or make private) a comment please? |
| 19:36.14 | |Kev| | Although I guess the email's already gone out to the student saying "we're currently thinking of accepting this person", so this is a little bit of bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted. |
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| 19:38.41 | |Kev| | grumbles. |
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| 19:42.28 | |Kev| | And this, boys and girls, is why you shouldn't drive [Melange] tired. |
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| 19:49.34 | klocatelli | when submitting a proposal, there's the option to make it public or private |
| 19:49.46 | klocatelli | so I assume there's a link to the proposal somewhere that I can share with people? |
| 19:49.59 | gevaerts | !public | klocatelli |
| 19:49.59 | gsocbot | klocatelli: "public" is If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
| 19:50.00 | klocatelli | if so, where can I find it? If not... what exactly is public/private supposed to do? |
| 19:50.18 | klocatelli | yes, where can I find the url? |
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| 19:50.27 | klocatelli | NEVER MIND! |
| 19:50.30 | gevaerts | In the URL bar of your web browser :) |
| 19:50.37 | klocatelli | ha the most obvious place, I didn't check >_< |
| 19:51.39 | metalfinger | If I submited a proposal .. can I see other;s proposals, even if they are private ? |
| 19:52.01 | gevaerts | no |
| 19:52.43 | metalfinger | Okay, and can I see public ones, even I dont have url ? :P |
| 19:52.55 | gevaerts | !public | metalfinger |
| 19:52.56 | gsocbot | metalfinger: "public" is If a proposal is public anyone can see it if they have the url. Non-public proposals are visible by the student and the mentors for the organization they applied to. There is no list of all public proposals. |
| 19:53.14 | metalfinger | okay, got it , thanx :) |
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| 19:54.18 | justinh_ | Hello all! |
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| 20:10.30 | justinh_ | I love how everyone in here is lurking xD |
| 20:12.12 | brlcad | actually, we're just taking a nap, but then you had to go ahead and say something and wake folks up |
| 20:12.31 | justinh_ | whoops! D: |
| 20:12.49 | gevaerts | yawns |
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| 20:12.58 | zfendi | Google Melange is blocked in turkey |
| 20:13.04 | zfendi | is there any work around which is not a proxy |
| 20:13.13 | zfendi | as it is illegal in turkey to use a proxy to get around website bans? |
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| 20:14.02 | dhaun | zfendi: does http://google-melange.appspot.com work for you? |
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| 20:22.13 | zfendi | ok, the other website works |
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| 20:22.18 | zfendi | thanks dhaun |
| 20:22.30 | rhema | I'm having trouble applying to be a mentor |
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| 20:23.02 | rhema | I withdrew an application and it will not let me apply again. |
| 20:23.12 | rhema | Who should I contact about this? |
| 20:23.47 | gevaerts | rhema: ask in #melange. I do seem to remember though that someone else solved that by having the admin send out an invite |
| 20:25.30 | |Kev| | Yes, someone reported that working the other (yester?) day. |
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| 21:04.03 | agliodbs | is it just me, or are new orgs this year having more difficulty with the "limited slots" concept? |
| 21:04.13 | agliodbs | did we go through this last year? |
| 21:05.05 | schumaml | are there more new orgs this year (iirc this was one of google's goals)? |
| 21:06.03 | JordiGH | Hm, only 41 proposals_ |
| 21:06.05 | JordiGH | ? |
| 21:06.08 | JordiGH | is disappoint |
| 21:06.18 | JordiGH | I hope we get like 200 on the last minute. |
| 21:06.46 | schumaml | 8 so far |
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| 21:07.31 | schumaml | mostly from students who showed up on our irc channel and are active there |
| 21:08.01 | zimba12 | JordiGH: what org? |
| 21:08.09 | JordiGH | zimba12: GNU. |
| 21:08.19 | justinh_ | So, really how many slots are there for applications, and how many applications have you guys received so far? |
| 21:08.22 | JordiGH | zimba12: how many do you have? |
| 21:08.37 | zimba12 | JordiGH: I am a student, I was just curious :) |
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| 21:11.52 | mgN | is applying for a single project ill advisable |
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| 21:12.59 | agliodbs | mgN: not sure I quite follow you? |
| 21:13.29 | JordiGH | mgN: "Quality, not quantity," is the usual advice. |
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| 21:14.32 | mgN | okay, i just was wondering if it would have a substantial negative impact on the likelihood of finding a project |
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| 21:15.35 | downey | JordiGH: Fewer good proposals is much better than many poor ones. |
| 21:15.39 | downey | (IMHO) |
| 21:16.03 | d34th4ck3r | agrees with downey |
| 21:16.23 | justinh_ | I was kind of wondering what the chances of a proposal getting accepted were. When I say proposal, I mean a very well thought out, and quality proposal. |
| 21:16.26 | agliodbs | mgN: that depends on how many different kinds of projects you actually *can* do |
| 21:16.35 | agliodbs | justinh_: not possible to estimate |
| 21:16.50 | agliodbs | justinh_: too many independant variables |
| 21:16.54 | klocatelli | !chance |
| 21:16.54 | gsocbot | klocatelli: "chance" is p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 21:17.02 | klocatelli | :< not that one! |
| 21:17.05 | tomprince | !chances | justinh_ |
| 21:17.05 | gsocbot | justinh_: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 21:17.30 | justinh_ | Hehe, thanks guys :) |
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| 21:21.29 | agliodbs | justinh_: in terms of planning your summer, though, I wouldn't *assume* it's in the can |
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| 21:22.11 | klocatelli | is there a list of slots awarded to orgs in the last? |
| 21:23.03 | agliodbs | klocatelli: I don't think so. search around melange, though |
| 21:23.50 | klocatelli | alright, thanks! |
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| 21:24.36 | agliodbs | we seem to be getting a lot of students wanting to "game the system". inevitable, I suppose |
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| 21:27.43 | klocatelli | game the system? o_O |
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| 22:15.45 | agliodbs | feh, two fairly promising students just contacted me for the first time *today* |
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| 22:17.21 | David_Honeynet | agliodbs: better than not getting in contact at all ;-) |
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| 22:19.13 | Phitherek_ | ehh, I am also just *beginning* to contact some orgs because I was concentrated on one, but I *just* found another projects that would better suit me... |
| 22:19.39 | agliodbs | David_Honeynet: yeah, these students are completely unfamiliar with GSOC though |
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| 22:19.47 | agliodbs | I doubt they can figure it out in time |
| 22:19.51 | agliodbs | even with hints |
| 22:21.06 | nemo | You know, for a lot of students, spring break just started |
| 22:21.17 | nemo | so they might just now be pouring their entire day into this |
| 22:21.58 | justinh_ | agliodbs, what org do you represent? |
| 22:22.00 | klocatelli | started on a wednesday? |
| 22:22.14 | Phitherek_ | nemo: Yeah, and some students have spring break in two days, so they are left with one day to do it... ;) |
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| 22:23.03 | vivek_h | and there are some students who are having their semester exams right now and spring break starts in a fortnight |
| 22:23.52 | Phitherek_ | vivek_h: You have your exam period now? Ouch... |
| 22:24.05 | nemo | well, I was just trying to come up w/ an explanation for why people might suddenly be jumping in at the last minute |
| 22:24.14 | agliodbs | justinh_: PostgreSQL |
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| 22:24.24 | klocatelli | they could just be procrastinators :P |
| 22:24.30 | vivek_h | Phitherek_: Yeah :P |
| 22:24.35 | agliodbs | I think their professor is at fault, actually |
| 22:24.43 | agliodbs | I told her about GSOC a month ago |
| 22:24.45 | allman | Or they may just have heard about the program.... |
| 22:24.56 | allman | or not :( |
| 22:24.57 | agliodbs | I think she just forwarded it to her students yesterday |
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| 22:25.30 | Phitherek_ | allman: yeah, I heard from a friend just about... last weekend |
| 22:25.30 | klocatelli | hm |
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| 22:25.45 | klocatelli | ya know what, I don't think I've heard or seen *anything* about GSoC on my campus at all |
| 22:25.53 | klocatelli | :S |
| 22:25.55 | Phitherek_ | On my university there is nothing about it, sadly |
| 22:26.19 | Phitherek_ | klocatelli: just like you |
| 22:26.33 | allman | It's a bit late but maybe next year, if we do the program again, you could put some flyers up. |
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| 22:27.08 | klocatelli | yeah, I'm definitely going to do that. It seems like a great way to meet interesting people on campus, even if no one actually gets in |
| 22:27.14 | allman | :) |
| 22:27.18 | Phitherek_ | allman: That is a good idea. I thought about it, but it is now a bit late for it |
| 22:27.37 | flaushy | are there posters you could get from google? |
| 22:27.46 | Phitherek_ | flaushy: Yeah |
| 22:27.49 | mmadia | !flyers |
| 22:27.50 | allman | Yes indeed - on the wiki. |
| 22:28.06 | Phitherek_ | translated to many languages ;) |
| 22:28.12 | mmadia | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 22:28.14 | flaushy | okie, i hope i remember next year in January :) |
| 22:28.19 | Phitherek_ | hmmm |
| 22:28.33 | allman | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list |
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| 22:28.39 | flaushy | thx |
| 22:28.40 | allman | oops.... |
| 22:28.50 | klocatelli | that's a very text-dense flyer :S |
| 22:29.00 | Phitherek_ | !learn flyers as http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 22:29.01 | gsocbot | Phitherek_: "flyers" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 22:29.11 | Phitherek_ | done :P |
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| 22:29.32 | Phitherek_ | !flyers |
| 22:29.32 | gsocbot | Phitherek_: "flyers" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 22:29.34 | Phitherek_ | :) |
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| 22:58.22 | allman | FYI: The recording of the Google+ Hangout on Air about GSOC is up on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/v/XUCGR3hpg_I&hl=en&fs=1&autoplay=1 |
| 22:59.31 | ojwb | struggles to parse that |
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| 23:00.27 | ojwb | ah, a "hangout on air" is a thing |
| 23:00.28 | allman | sorry - Chris DiBona and I did a Google+ "Hangout on Air" about GSoC. It was recorded and you can view iton YouTube. |
| 23:00.36 | ojwb | cool |
| 23:00.45 | allman | :) |
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| 23:05.48 | agliodbs | ojwb: thank you for asking |
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| 23:07.42 | ojwb | agliodbs: ah, it wasn't just me then... |
| 23:08.18 | Phitherek_ | you do not use Google+, right? ;) |
| 23:08.38 | agliodbs | only to echo my blog |
| 23:09.04 | schumaml | Phitherek_: if found it quite easy to not use hangouts |
| 23:09.21 | schumaml | a) no cam b) the plug-in can be tricky to install |
| 23:09.40 | agliodbs | doesn't see the point |
| 23:10.41 | schumaml | I would be happy to have hangouts without the focus on the "cam" thing and more on application sharing :) |
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| 23:11.38 | Phitherek_ | schumaml: I see your point, maybe Google would do something about it some day ;) |
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| 23:15.50 | Phitherek_ | but in my opinion, Hangouts with its free Video Conferences are better than e.g. Skype :P |
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| 23:30.47 | ojwb | hmm, 3 proposals from the same person in less than 2 minutes |
| 23:30.58 | ojwb | want to place your bets on how good they'll be? |
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| 23:31.28 | flaushy | maybe just updates? |
| 23:31.37 | flaushy | like fixing typos |
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| 23:31.48 | klocatelli | or slow internet and accidentally submit-spammed? |
| 23:32.10 | ojwb | no, new proposals with different titles |
| 23:32.20 | ojwb | and that's where the differences between them end... |
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| 23:32.52 | ojwb | klocatelli: I think the melange forms have a unique token in to prevent that |
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| 23:33.19 | Phitherek_ | maybe someone uses tool like Lazarus plugin |
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| 23:33.29 | klocatelli | maybe loading the submit success page timed out, so they went back and tried again? |
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| 23:33.45 | ojwb | these have *different titles* |
| 23:33.51 | ojwb | oh, i give up |
| 23:34.06 | klocatelli | alright then they're submit spamming :D |
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| 23:34.55 | ojwb | at least my worry that proposals had started arriving faster than I can read isn't yet true |
| 23:35.10 | flaushy | well he tried ^^ |
| 23:38.17 | Shidash | How many people apply to GSoC usually? |
| 23:38.52 | Shidash | or, how many people apply per slot? |
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| 23:41.01 | agliodbs | !Odds | Shidash |
| 23:41.02 | gsocbot | Shidash: "Odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 23:41.22 | Shidash | well, yes |
| 23:41.33 | ojwb | !numapps | Shidash |
| 23:41.33 | gsocbot | Shidash: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 23:41.45 | ojwb | but dividing those numbers isn't a useful exercise |
| 23:41.50 | Shidash | Thanks! |
| 23:41.51 | Shidash | yeah |
| 23:42.00 | klocatelli | I wonder what the median proposals per student is |
| 23:42.18 | ojwb | there's a thick seam of junk at the bottom in particular |
| 23:42.21 | klocatelli | looks like quite a few submit more than one proposal |
| 23:42.31 | ojwb | some take 20 as a target |
| 23:42.33 | klocatelli | but yeah, not sure if that's like... one guy spamming everyone and dragging up the mean |
| 23:42.38 | ojwb | rather than a hard limit |
| 23:42.52 | thgil | why aren't more orgs accepted? |
| 23:42.56 | ojwb | even the mean is less than 2 |
| 23:43.09 | Shidash | GSoC isn't a lottery so the numbers don't mean much but it is still interesting to know. |
| 23:43.25 | ojwb | thgil: because on google's side, there's a very small team running things, and more orgs means more work |
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| 23:43.57 | ojwb | the number creeps up with time as it is |
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| 23:48.35 | Shidash | So I have read that one proposal gets accepted per student at most. How does that work if a student gets accepted to multiple projects. Do the projects all communicate and decide which the student will work on? Or does the student pick? |
| 23:48.48 | agliodbs | the former |
| 23:49.29 | X-tonic | the application deadline is 6th april. But can i edit my proposals after that? |
| 23:49.39 | olasd | !next |
| 23:49.40 | gsocbot | olasd: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 23:49.41 | ojwb | student's preference may be taken into account, but don't assume it will be |
| 23:49.56 | ojwb | X-tonic: it wouldn't be much of a deadline if you could, would it? |
| 23:50.14 | ojwb | you can comment after that, but the application itself can't be modified |
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| 23:50.24 | X-tonic | ohk.. thanks. |
| 23:50.37 | Shidash | So should I mention it in my proposals if I have a preference? |
| 23:50.49 | ojwb | Shidash: it's probably a good idea to |
| 23:51.01 | Shidash | Thanks! |
| 23:51.10 | ojwb | but don't apply for projects you wouldn't be happy to do |
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| 23:51.38 | Shidash | well of course |
| 23:52.28 | sttaylor | This is a very competitive program and very rarely are there students who have their proposals accepted by multiple organizations. This is not something people should be too worried about. |
| 23:52.47 | Shidash | fair |
| 23:53.04 | re588 | i dont get how one is supposed to present a proposal where s/he knows exactly the answer to the problem and exactly how s/he will code it and is familiar with the code already ... |
| 23:53.10 | agliodbs | yah, usually there's a handful of superstar students who get multiple acceptabces |
| 23:53.15 | agliodbs | but nobody else |
| 23:53.17 | ojwb | re588: you aren't |
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| 23:53.39 | agliodbs | re588: but you should have a clear idea how you're going to *find* the answer |
| 23:53.43 | ojwb | but you are expected to research and investigate the project to find out more |
| 23:53.57 | agliodbs | and whether it's a good problem to work on in the first place |
| 23:54.02 | re588 | But most of the proposal requirements entail that |
| 23:54.07 | ojwb | i'd be concerned if a student applied for a project where they did already know everything |
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| 23:54.42 | agliodbs | ojwb: well, we get that. usually because the student has already started work |
| 23:54.59 | re588 | I mean i possess the technical skills to work on half the projects out there lets say, yet I am unable to produce a single proposal due to the lack of time to familirise myself with the project in a depth that would satisfy them |
| 23:55.04 | ojwb | agliodbs: ok, I guess that's not quite the situation I was thinking of |
| 23:55.07 | re588 | *facepalm* |
| 23:55.10 | sttaylor | X-tonic: The deadline is April 6th at 19:00 UTC, we highly recommend people do not wait until the last hour to submit their proposals. There are no extensions so if you push submit seconds after the 19:00 UTC deadline your proposal will not be considered. Please do not wait until the last minute. |
| 23:55.27 | ojwb | sttaylor: X-tonic's gone... |
| 23:56.14 | ojwb | but it's good general advice still |
| 23:56.30 | agliodbs | re588: well, then you're unlikely to be accepted to most projects. the org needs to evaluate your likelihood of succcess, and if you know nothing about the project, then your likelihood of success is poor |
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| 23:56.51 | agliodbs | in general, most of the successful students are at least already users of the project involved |
| 23:56.56 | ojwb | re588: have you talked to the org about this, or are you just assuming what they're wnating? |
| 23:57.05 | agliodbs | if not already involved in development |
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| 23:58.35 | re588 | Assuming, I've seen a couple of proposals and they're just insane.. |
| 23:59.07 | ojwb | i have plenty that are insane in the opposite direction |