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| 00:51.22 | hybrid_ | _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
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| 00:59.39 | tierra | anyone have logs from the IRC meeting last night? |
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| 01:00.00 | gevaerts | !logs | tierra |
| 01:00.00 | gsocbot | tierra: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 01:00.10 | tierra | gevaerts: thanks |
| 01:03.36 | olly_ | tierra: oh, are wxwidgets not in this year? |
| 01:06.16 | tierra | olly_: nope, not this year, was asking for a friend in an org that is though |
| 01:06.43 | olly_ | oh, did you not apply? |
| 01:06.53 | tierra | our first year since 2006 not running in GSoC |
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| 01:07.25 | tierra | na, we applied, but rejected... it was a fair decision I think |
| 01:07.48 | tierra | time to give up the slot for another org |
| 01:08.14 | olly_ | and focus on releasing 3.0! |
| 01:08.21 | tierra | haha, yeah |
| 01:08.55 | tierra | it's pretty obvious we definitely missed the window for Debian with 3.0 there |
| 01:09.23 | tierra | but more time to lock down the API a little tighter and work out the bugs |
| 01:09.30 | olly_ | at least from what vadim was saying last time I asked |
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| 01:10.00 | olly_ | backports is a better route than jamming in a not ready 3.0 anyway |
| 01:10.18 | tierra | oh yeah, I forgot that's still a perfectly acceptable option |
| 01:11.57 | olly_ | ah, so this is why vadim is up for mentoring for swig |
| 01:13.23 | tierra | yeah |
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| 02:39.55 | joshTheStudent | hi, Im an undergrad trying to get involved with gsoc. I have a lot of experience with PHP jQuery and Unix (along with other web technologies and scripting languages), and have recently started teaching myself systems programming with C/C#. Can anyone recommend an organization that I could be the most helpful to based on my skill-set? |
| 02:40.10 | joshTheStudent | thanks |
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| 02:41.53 | Catfish_Man | C/C# is a curious set of things to group together (not sure what's out there for gsoc web-dev land, sorry) |
| 02:43.06 | joshTheStudent | C++ I mean |
| 02:43.16 | joshTheStudent | so not a lot of web development needed? |
| 02:44.00 | Catfish_Man | oh there may be, I just haven't gone looking |
| 02:44.13 | Catfish_Man | is drupal participating this year? |
| 02:44.23 | joshTheStudent | I believe so |
| 02:44.50 | Catfish_Man | they're PHP |
| 02:45.07 | joshTheStudent | I just was hoping maybe some organizations would be hanging out on here and I could appeal to someone |
| 02:45.37 | joshTheStudent | yeah, thanks @Catfish_Man Ill look at theyre proposals etc. |
| 02:45.43 | joshTheStudent | their* |
| 02:45.45 | Catfish_Man | yeah, good thought :) stick around and see who's here |
| 02:45.52 | Catfish_Man | it's been quiet tonight though |
| 02:46.00 | Catfish_Man | last thing said before you joined was 1.5 hours ago |
| 02:46.16 | joshTheStudent | its a saturday night after all |
| 02:46.21 | joshTheStudent | :) |
| 02:47.00 | Catfish_Man | aye. I'm just idling while I play skyrim |
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| 07:14.15 | kblin | why is it that dist-upgrades with ubuntu are always such a drama? :/ |
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| 07:29.24 | dfighter | kblin maybe now it works with mind control interface |
| 07:29.29 | dfighter | you just forgot to buy it :P |
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| 07:40.29 | _hsr | Its at the same time joyful and challenging to see so many Indian students at GSoC :D |
| 07:40.42 | _hsr | going to be tough race for me.. |
| 07:41.00 | kblin | dfighter: I guess so |
| 07:43.42 | hybrid_ | new mentors are allowed to join accepted orgs at any time? |
| 07:44.06 | kblin | well, ideally they join before the coding starts |
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| 07:44.22 | kblin | so they get to help with ranking the proposals |
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| 07:45.38 | hybrid_ | got it. |
| 07:46.19 | hybrid_ | each org has a fixed number of students it can accept? |
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| 07:47.46 | kblin | basically we rank the student proposals, and then ask for a number of slots, and google then decides how many slots they want to allocate to the specific org |
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| 07:48.12 | kblin | so it's basically min(org_requested, google_allocated) |
| 07:48.17 | hybrid_ | by "we" you mean a specific org |
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| 07:48.20 | hybrid_ | ? |
| 07:48.22 | kblin | yeah |
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| 07:50.36 | hybrid_ | kblin, ok, so you rank your proposals and say.. "we had this 8 student applications, we want this 3", they say ok or we give you 2 |
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| 07:53.32 | kblin | right |
| 07:53.45 | kblin | there's a FAQ entry explaining how this works, I think |
| 07:54.57 | hybrid_ | kblin, I'll look for it. |
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| 07:55.36 | gsocbot | stefane: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 07:58.35 | hybrid_ | is it common for a rejected org idea to be implemented and mentorized by a mentor registered afterwards in an accepted org? |
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| 08:17.07 | hybrid_ | i mean: i did not understand for sure if new mentors are allowed to join orgs until the end of the student application period |
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| 08:32.32 | kblin | I'm not sure I understand your question |
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| 08:36.29 | hybrid_ | kblin, there are lots of partnerships possible with the accepted orgs. That can involve getting new people in as mentors |
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| 08:38.32 | hybrid_ | i am a registered mentor and i see those "Mentors: Apply!" and i wonder if new mentors can apply to the orgs ate anytime or before X |
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| 08:41.33 | kblin | hybrid_: most orgs will not accept mentors they don't know |
| 08:42.00 | kblin | for samba, we require that mentors are committers, for example |
| 08:42.11 | hybrid_ | kblin, i understand that. |
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| 08:42.39 | hybrid_ | but by gsoc system, new mentors are allowed in at anytime? |
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| 08:45.34 | mlankhorst | Yeah. :) |
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| 08:48.00 | hybrid_ | mlankhorst, kblin thanks |
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| 09:01.09 | hybrid_ | can a mentor be a mentor in more than one org? |
| 09:03.57 | kblin | yes |
| 09:04.25 | kblin | but mentoring a single student already is a serious time commitment |
| 09:04.37 | kblin | mentoring two of them even more so |
| 09:04.50 | kblin | no matter if it's two for the same org or two different orgs |
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| 09:10.58 | hybrid_ | kblin, extreme cases fall in 4? reaches 5? |
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| 09:13.26 | mlankhorst | It's a lot of work, and some just need more mentoring than others. Just don't underestimate it.. |
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| 09:19.38 | qdb | "hello . i can make tatar and bashkir languages. about #gsoc . participant should all his time do that project? how is he controlled? i would program my own programs/sites , several hours per week, i do not want to use all my time to #gsoc / #apertium project." |
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| 09:22.58 | kblin | hybrid_: I think nmap's fyodor was mentoring 5 students at one point.. certainly a full-time job |
| 09:23.54 | kblin | qdb: well, I do expect my students to treat gsoc as a full-time job |
| 09:24.39 | kblin | that's how I do my calculations of "is this project doable in the time allotted" |
| 09:25.07 | dhaun | qdb: it's not "controlled", but if you don't spend enough time on it, you probably won't be able to complete your project |
| 09:25.26 | kblin | of course the student will pass/fail based on measurable performance |
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| 09:26.00 | kblin | but so far all the students I had to fail underestimated the time required for gsoc and took on other jobs |
| 09:26.11 | kblin | which didn't really work out in the end |
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| 09:33.35 | hybrid_ | kblin, best student projects rejected are due to funding limit or qualification of the proposals? |
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| 10:01.44 | hybrid_ | !poem |
| 10:01.45 | gsocbot | hybrid_: "poem" is (#1) GSoC poem written directly to Google by Celio Turino as a homage to Cleodon Silva (1949-2011) who inspired LabMacambira.sf.net, or (#2) Try #poetry |
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| 10:15.54 | xjffvb | are you people getting proper response from mentors ? |
| 10:16.14 | pokoko222 | I have written some code but I dont know how to make a pull request |
| 10:16.21 | pokoko222 | is it ok to ask on mailing list about this |
| 10:16.30 | pokoko222 | and be honest that this is my first time with github |
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| 10:19.31 | qdb | is apertium "mentor organisation"? |
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| 10:48.40 | chinmayd | Hi, if I"m interested in a project that involves adding to or modifying existing code, should I be already familiar with the codebase or am I expected to learn about it while working? |
| 10:51.48 | weltall | better to get to know the code base before |
| 10:52.34 | weltall | it's difficult to write a proposal without knownledge of what you are writing about |
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| 10:53.04 | elyas_bhy | Hello |
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| 10:54.14 | chinmayd | weltall: The problem I have is I don't have a lot of time this week because of college assignments. But I guess I can spend a day or two on it. |
| 10:54.35 | weltall | applications don't end this week they have still to start iirc |
| 10:55.42 | chinmayd | yes, I think they end April first week, but I'll still be pretty busy with my exams and assignments. |
| 10:55.58 | chinmayd | I'll try to do my best to get familiar with the projects I'm interested in though |
| 10:56.08 | weltall | 20 april seems |
| 10:56.22 | weltall | remember you've competitors who will do it |
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| 10:56.47 | weltall | ideas pages need to be reworked and expanded if you want a chance usually |
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| 10:56.59 | olly | april 6th is the student deadline |
| 10:57.23 | olly | 20th is the deadline for orgs to rank students by |
| 10:57.38 | chinmayd | olly: then I have a lot of work to do |
| 10:58.26 | olly | well, you have nearly 2 weeks |
| 10:58.32 | olly | just don't procrastinate |
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| 10:59.45 | chinmayd | yes, but I also have lots of college assignments with hard deadlines :( I'll give it my best though. I really want to get some real-world experience in coding. |
| 10:59.51 | weltall | right olly sorry |
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| 11:03.52 | kblin | meh |
| 11:04.15 | kblin | goes download a debian iso |
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| 11:09.21 | leetanizer | I want to send a proposal to ASCEND organization but they say that we must apply in the GSOC website and not in their own web site. and I can't find where should I send my proposal. could you please help me ? |
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| 11:10.23 | chinmayd | leetanizer: applications open tomorrow http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 11:10.48 | leetanizer | thanks a lot chinmayd |
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| 11:28.20 | platzhirsch | Can the mentoring organization view the student applications before the student application closes? |
| 11:29.16 | olly | yes |
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| 11:32.37 | platzhirsch | I hope it makes no bad impression if you submit your application near deadline ;) |
| 11:36.20 | Michitux | platzhirsch: well, you loose the possibility to change your application after receiving feedback on it, so I would submit the application as early as possible |
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| 11:37.18 | Michitux | platzhirsch: and if you should have any technical problems near the deadline you might not be able to solve them till the deadline |
| 11:39.08 | olly | most of the late applications are pretty poor tbh |
| 11:39.23 | timurf | hello, I am a mentor looking for advice. |
| 11:39.29 | olly | i wouldn't prejudge based on time of arrival though |
| 11:39.34 | olly | or at least I'd try not to |
| 11:39.47 | qdb | you always use word "student" , but in "Mentor Organization Participant Agreement" it is not said must be student |
| 11:40.19 | platzhirsch | Michitux: there will be feedback on the applications? |
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| 11:40.47 | pokoko222 | I forked the project a week ago |
| 11:40.54 | pokoko222 | what if it is updated |
| 11:40.58 | pokoko222 | how does my fork keeps itself updated |
| 11:41.39 | Michitux | platzhirsch: mentors can (and hopefully will) comment on your application, it is expected that you reply to these comments and when it is still before the application deadline you can also update your application based on that feedback |
| 11:41.48 | Michitux | platzhirsch: what kind of feedback you get depends on the organization of course |
| 11:42.03 | olly | timurf: just ask... |
| 11:42.39 | timurf | this is our ideas page: http://code.google.com/p/paris-traceroute/wiki/Ideas |
| 11:42.41 | Michitux | platzhirsch: and orgs can also allow you to modify the application after the deadline, but that's for special cases only, so don't rely on that |
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| 11:42.59 | timurf | so far, we've had just one student who has expressed interest in our work |
| 11:43.08 | platzhirsch | Michitux: Well thanks for these hints, that's really valuable |
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| 11:43.19 | timurf | i'm a bit concerned as student applications open tomorrow |
| 11:43.31 | Michitux | platzhirsch: I think something like that is also written in the student manual |
| 11:43.49 | timurf | and I'm wondering if you might have any suggestions on how one goes about drumming up more interest |
| 11:43.58 | timurf | we're not a well known outfit |
| 11:44.06 | timurf | this is our first time participating in gsoc |
| 11:44.11 | olly | timurf: you'll see a surge of interest tomorrow I bet |
| 11:44.32 | timurf | ah, that's good to know, olly |
| 11:44.39 | olly | if you're a first time org, you'll probably get 2 student slots |
| 11:44.46 | gevaerts | timurf: do you have some decent tags in your melange profile? |
| 11:44.55 | platzhirsch | Michitux: and I've thought I have read everything, I wouldn't be suprised if I have forgot it again, I will read it over |
| 11:44.59 | olly | that's true, i noticed some orgs had none at all |
| 11:45.02 | timurf | gevaerts: no, this is not something i had thought of |
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| 11:45.30 | timurf | where might i go to see some good examples? |
| 11:45.44 | gevaerts | timurf: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 has all organisations and their tags |
| 11:46.03 | platzhirsch | one is still missing, I wonder who the misterious 180th organization is |
| 11:46.06 | gevaerts | Students tend to use that (I expect...) to filter on things they're interested in |
| 11:46.38 | timurf | and indeed, we (we're participating under the umbrella of Measurement Lab) do not have any tags |
| 11:46.56 | olly | i suspect students interested in writing traceroute tools is a fairly niche market |
| 11:47.12 | timurf | yes, indeed olly, I think it is! |
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| 11:47.45 | olly | but tagging with the languages and things like "networking" and "system" would probably help |
| 11:47.45 | timurf | but i do hope we'll find some who think it is a nifty idea |
| 11:47.55 | Michitux | platzhirsch: hm, might indeed be that it isn't really documented |
| 11:47.58 | gevaerts | timurf: that's probably worth fixing quickly |
| 11:48.08 | timurf | very good -- i'll get on it |
| 11:48.25 | timurf | i don't control this directly, but i'll alert the person who does |
| 11:48.39 | timurf | thank you, olly, gevaerts! |
| 11:48.45 | gevaerts | Oh, and if I were you, I'd try to get your ideas on hat first ideas page too. Right now students have to click *twice*! |
| 11:48.55 | timurf | :) |
| 11:48.57 | timurf | good point |
| 11:48.59 | gevaerts | And given the questions we tend to get here, that might be too much |
| 11:49.06 | timurf | ha |
| 11:49.25 | gevaerts | Of course possibly you don't want the students who ask those questions anyway :) |
| 11:49.33 | olly | clicking once seems to be a big ask |
| 11:49.52 | timurf | true enough, but still, we want it to be convenient for students to figure out what's on offer |
| 11:49.59 | olly | i wonder if first time umbrella orgs get 2 slots too |
| 11:50.04 | aliq_ | speaking of which - what is the expected ratio of total applications to studnets who talk to us before applying? Any idea? |
| 11:51.11 | olly | aliq_: most of the good ones |
| 11:52.09 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure that again depends on the organisation |
| 11:52.10 | aliq_ | :) |
| 11:52.13 | olly | i suspect it varies a lot by org, but very roughly half for us last year I'd guestiremember |
| 11:52.41 | gevaerts | I do remember some eventually accepted students who talked to us before applying, but many didn't |
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| 11:53.17 | olly | we did say on the ideas page we'd be unlikely to accept anyone who didn't, which might encourage them |
| 11:53.32 | aliq_ | Ok, so the conclusion is (like with everything gsoc apparently) "it depends". :D love it |
| 11:54.12 | platzhirsch | That is also my experience, every mailing list has its own characteristic atmosphere |
| 11:54.22 | Ivanovic | aliq_: gsoc does completely depend on the organizations |
| 11:54.22 | gevaerts | !itdepends |
| 11:54.22 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "itdepends" is That depends on the organisation. Ask them. |
| 11:54.28 | gevaerts | :) |
| 11:54.45 | Ivanovic | and yeah, at least with wesnoth we make communication with us mandatory |
| 11:55.02 | gevaerts | You're popular. You can afford to :) |
| 11:55.04 | olly | Ivanovic: but that doesn't mean everyone who applies does... |
| 11:55.06 | Ivanovic | clearly stating that those who don't communicate with us in irc got zero chance to be accepted no matter how good the student and the proposal |
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| 11:55.41 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: i think every org can afford this |
| 11:56.03 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: that is: a student who does not communicate with the org can't be a "great" student |
| 11:56.25 | Ivanovic | so the org should clearly say "okay, we have not gotten as many great proposals so we won't go for as many slots as we could in theory mentor" |
| 11:56.57 | aliq_ | Seems to me it depends on the students? We're a firsttimer, and we have some studnets who already contribute code & bugreports while prepping their app - obviously a successful method to move to the head of the queue :) |
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| 11:58.36 | Ivanovic | aliq_: make sure to state what you as org expect from your students |
| 11:58.59 | Ivanovic | aliq_: what i learned is that those students who don't communicate are significantly more likely to fail |
| 11:59.14 | Ivanovic | since if they have a problem they are often hesitant to tell you about it |
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| 12:00.02 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: I agree about no communication at all, but not everyone can filter at the same level |
| 12:00.14 | olly | the thing is that mentoring uses up several hours of developer time a week, and if you get a student who won't communicate, it's demoralising to boot |
| 12:00.40 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: if you make sure to tell the students as early as possible that they should talk to you those that are interested in getting in will do so |
| 12:00.40 | olly | so perhaps it's better to just take one student fewer |
| 12:00.52 | Ivanovic | how this can and should be done: |
| 12:00.56 | infinity0 | student applications open tomorrow, does this mean no new mentors can apply? |
| 12:01.11 | olly | infinity0: mentors can join whenever |
| 12:01.16 | infinity0 | ah ok cool |
| 12:01.18 | Ivanovic | 1) place a *huge* marker on the ideas page directing the students to comunicating with you (stating the how and that it is explicitly wanted and required) |
| 12:01.23 | olly | well, it's up to the org admin |
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| 12:01.40 | Ivanovic | 2) make sure to leave a comment in the application pages of each student who was not as active as you'd expect |
| 12:02.08 | Ivanovic | telling them that they should communicate more and how to do so |
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| 12:04.45 | Ivanovic | and everything after the feedback in the application is a case of "does the student take my advice into account?" |
| 12:05.03 | gevaerts | nods |
| 12:05.06 | Ivanovic | and i think those things apply for basically all organizations, not only the popular ones |
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| 12:05.35 | Ivanovic | so if after *that* point the communication does not improve personally i think that the student can't be ranked in the group of "great students" |
| 12:06.05 | gevaerts | OK, I can agree with that |
| 12:06.26 | olly | yeah, it doesn't seem "coming to talk to us when told that's a requirement to be considered" is a hard requirement to fulfil |
| 12:06.32 | aliq_ | How does this "feedback in the app" work? They submit early, we give them feedback via melange, and they improve before app closes? |
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| 12:06.38 | olly | yes |
| 12:06.45 | Ivanovic | of course you have to make sure that the students know that communication is important |
| 12:06.52 | olly | or they can email a draft if you prefer |
| 12:07.01 | Ivanovic | but after that is the case those lacking there have been warned |
| 12:07.16 | Ivanovic | aliq_: it works many ways |
| 12:07.27 | Ivanovic | aliq_: you can always leave a comment in the application |
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| 12:07.41 | Ivanovic | aliq_: and of course those starting early also can get early feedback |
| 12:07.46 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: I think I did misunderstand you a bit at first, or I confused what you said with what some other people have said at some point. This makes much more sense now :) |
| 12:08.02 | Ivanovic | but even after the deadline for submission starts a student can still comment on their proposal |
| 12:08.18 | Ivanovic | so you can still ask for a comment with more details |
| 12:08.30 | Ivanovic | and yes, IMO it is good to encourage students to start submissions early |
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| 12:08.47 | olly | every year a number miss the deadline by seconds |
| 12:09.23 | Ivanovic | jepp |
| 12:09.39 | Ivanovic | and all i personally can say to them is: bad luck, start earlier next time! |
| 12:09.42 | aliq_ | olly: That also applies to orgs :) (the lacamabriawhatever guys didnt get in in the end, right?) |
| 12:09.54 | olly | i sincerely hope not |
| 12:10.30 | aliq_ | So many poems wasted |
| 12:10.40 | olly | and so much channel log |
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| 12:11.51 | olly | even more so for orgs really, as the applications there don't get looked at until the deadline |
| 12:12.12 | ofan_ | I saw some posted their proposals to maillists directly, is it the right way to do it? |
| 12:12.37 | olly | ofan_: it's fine to do that |
| 12:12.55 | olly | some orgs insist on public proposals (debian for example) |
| 12:14.50 | ofan_ | olly: I thought proposals must be sent to mentors. |
| 12:14.59 | olly | no |
| 12:15.11 | olly | they MUST be submitted in melange ultimately |
| 12:15.25 | olly | otherwise you can't possibly get selected |
| 12:16.06 | olly | other than that, it is up to the org and you |
| 12:16.27 | ofan_ | olly: got it. Thanks! |
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| 12:18.24 | qballer | Well Submitting hasn't started yet, right ? |
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| 12:19.13 | ofan_ | qballer: yeah |
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| 12:20.39 | qballer | I'm wondering what is the level of understanding I need to have regarding the project while submitting. I've been reading a lot. But in order to test how I really want to do it. I need to compile and write some code |
| 12:21.48 | Ivanovic | qballer: what i can recommend is to get in touch with the org |
| 12:21.58 | Ivanovic | and talk to them how to best approach the subject |
| 12:22.30 | Ivanovic | as in: to get started, which areas of code should i get familiar with? are there possibly some easy to fix bugs or easy to add features to get familiar with the code? |
| 12:22.41 | qballer | Already am. I have 3 orgs inline and writing a (JBoss, Mono, Apache). Writing a decent proposal for all work takes up some hard work. |
| 12:22.50 | Ivanovic | actually submitting patches will not hurt your proposal |
| 12:22.59 | Ivanovic | since the orgs see that you can deal with their code basis |
| 12:23.14 | Ivanovic | qballer: yes, *decent* proposals are hard work |
| 12:23.37 | Ivanovic | in fact: personally i don't think it possible to create more than 2 really good proposals unless you stopp studying in parallel |
| 12:23.45 | Ivanovic | (personal opinion here!) |
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| 12:24.23 | qballer | You might be right. ASF is my real gold (the Whirr project) I just want to have one backup. |
| 12:24.30 | qballer | or two |
| 12:24.35 | Ivanovic | as a sample what a *really* great proposal can look like (don't get shocked, this proposal and student were outstanding!): http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab |
| 12:24.41 | qballer | But it just takes a lot of time and efford |
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| 12:27.12 | prny | hi i want hekp on gsoc 2012 |
| 12:27.14 | ofan_ | Ivanovic: This proposal is really a good one. |
| 12:27.36 | prny | i want a talk with mentors |
| 12:27.39 | Ivanovic | ofan_: and crab was an outstanding student, even with the huge scope he was shortly done after mid term |
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| 12:28.06 | Ivanovic | ofan_: that is: he has now been mentor in gsoc for the last two years and is one of our core devs |
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| 12:29.24 | ofan_ | Ivanovic: That's nice. |
| 12:29.52 | Ivanovic | and yeah, this is a really outstanding proposal which is why i like to show this one around as a "great example" |
| 12:30.32 | Ivanovic | though i honestly have to say that we get many great proposals every year on similar levels (that is among those we take there tend to be at least one or two proposals with a similar quality level) |
| 12:31.04 | Ivanovic | that is: those proposals can only be created when communicating with us and incorporating out feedback |
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| 12:32.50 | ofan_ | Ivanovic: emm.. I just wonder that are all gsoc projects must be code based? I mean there are many ways to contribute, like designing textures for games. |
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| 12:33.05 | Ivanovic | ofan_: it is summer of *code* |
| 12:33.08 | gevaerts | ofan_: GSoCode |
| 12:33.13 | Ivanovic | not summer of contributions |
| 12:33.18 | ofan_ | ohh.. |
| 12:33.24 | gevaerts | That's the rules |
| 12:33.29 | pokoko222 | I have made a commit to my repo ... how can the mentors see the lines I changed |
| 12:33.35 | pokoko222 | the lines are all green for some reason |
| 12:33.39 | Ivanovic | ofan_: that is: from wesnoth we have also made some artwork related program spending our mentoring money to fund some artists |
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| 12:33.42 | pokoko222 | arent the changed ones suposed to be red |
| 12:34.17 | Ivanovic | ofan_: but that is basically all you can do, gsoc is about code and just about code |
| 12:35.23 | gevaerts | ofan_: you can write a texture generator :) |
| 12:36.19 | ofan_ | yeah. The question just popped up in my brain, I'd better think twice before asking. :) |
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| 12:42.48 | Gentlecat | Should I propose only things that I'll be able to do myself or it's okay to expect some help from mentors? |
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| 12:43.37 | gevaerts | Gentlecat: you should be able to do everything yourself, but you don't have to be able to do everything yourself *today*. Learning is allowed :) |
| 12:43.50 | Gentlecat | If I haven't got a chance to implement some feature but have an idea how to do it |
| 12:44.39 | Gentlecat | Like search in android apps... It souldn't be difficult, but I need some time to figure out how to do such thing |
| 12:44.41 | Ivanovic | Gentlecat: make sure that your proposal is realistic |
| 12:44.59 | Ivanovic | otherwise the orgs will tell you that the proposal is unrealistic and you'd have to adjust it anyway |
| 12:45.26 | Gentlecat | There is a chance to reapply? |
| 12:45.56 | kreol | Application template we hav to send when register will start? |
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| 13:36.55 | |Kev| | giggles a little bit as, for yet another year in a row, every student says they want to work on the first idea in the list. |
| 13:37.19 | gevaerts | :) |
| 13:37.20 | |Kev| | I don't really understand this phenomenon, but there we go. |
| 13:37.56 | gevaerts | I wonder if any organisations have a first idea that says "Don't pick me. I suck at reading idea descriptions" |
| 13:38.10 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 13:38.25 | ChrisOelmueller | could list "Your own idea" as first one |
| 13:38.47 | |Kev| | I *suspect*, but have no evidence, that students would skip over that and list the first concrete idea. |
| 13:39.48 | ThomasWaldmann | gevaerts: we offer a "students interested: ..." line on our ideas wiki page, where students can (voluntarily) show interest, for their mutual information |
| 13:40.54 | ThomasWaldmann | i guess if our first idea had a lot of students listed in that line, interest would drop (as chances somehow get worse, at least in students' minds) |
| 13:41.40 | |Kev| | Oh, that's a very interesting idea. |
| 13:41.47 | |Kev| | Thanks for sharing that. |
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| 14:03.25 | koda | |Kev|: the same happened to us as well D: |
| 14:03.41 | koda | we should add a randomizer that changes the order of the ideas |
| 14:03.48 | gevaerts | koda: it happens to everyone |
| 14:03.52 | |Kev| | It happens to everyone, I think. |
| 14:03.54 | |Kev| | Right :) |
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| 14:20.11 | koda | last year i didn't quite get how the slot assignment worked |
| 14:20.34 | koda | basically you specify a desired number of slots in the application field |
| 14:20.54 | koda | and google decides how many of them to assign you |
| 14:21.15 | koda | this happens when? at the end of the students application right? |
| 14:21.28 | gevaerts | No, later than that |
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| 14:22.50 | gevaerts | It's actually a gradual process. The final allocation is done at around the deduplication time, but you get preliminary allocations soon after the application deadline IIRC |
| 14:23.17 | koda | at the end of the students application the #amazing and #desired must be filled in |
| 14:24.45 | gevaerts | Yes, but I believe you can still adjust those later, e.g. in case a student doesn't seem as amazing after you actually talk to him |
| 14:24.58 | gevaerts | So the numbers still vary |
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| 14:27.01 | gevaerts | Also, you can still trade slots with other organisations if you ask nicely (I don't know if melange supports that directly) |
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| 14:33.36 | qballer | Anyone from ASF is here? |
| 14:34.26 | gevaerts | !anyone | qballer |
| 14:34.27 | gsocbot | qballer: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 14:35.07 | qballer | I'm already there gevaerts |
| 14:36.04 | qballer | I'm guessing it's to early foe them |
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| 14:42.59 | qballer | Is it possible when you apply to a proposal the org will say something like: We want you but not on this project/idea? |
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| 14:43.11 | qballer | how about doing this.. . |
| 14:44.08 | |Kev| | Yes, the org might do that. |
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| 14:58.36 | platzhirsch | qballer: and maybe they take your proposed idea, thank you, but say you are no fit for this |
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| 15:04.46 | qballer | I'm more oriented to developing a basic ideas which is given in the idea list. |
| 15:05.02 | qballer | so they probably know it. |
| 15:05.04 | qballer | :) |
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| 15:59.30 | Gentlecat | Are there any special requirements for proposal file format? |
| 16:00.02 | Gentlecat | Should I create HTML doc or PDF? Does it matter? |
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| 16:00.55 | dhaun | Gentlecat: you're going to have to type it into a text input field on the website anyway |
| 16:01.13 | dhaun | well, it uses TinyMCE, so some formatting will work, but I'd keep it simple |
| 16:01.52 | Gentlecat | Oh, TinyMCE. That's great. |
| 16:02.02 | Gentlecat | Thanks dhaun |
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| 16:07.17 | hiddenpearls | how much time left for applications open ? |
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| 16:07.59 | MatthewWilkes | !next | hiddenpearls |
| 16:08.00 | gsocbot | hiddenpearls: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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| 16:57.48 | busycoder | hi there |
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| 16:58.18 | busycoder | can anyone help me in writing proposal |
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| 17:08.14 | jrabbit | busycoder: the organization you want to apply to is generally good to ask |
| 17:08.29 | jrabbit | they also know what a good plan and a bad plan look like |
| 17:08.38 | jrabbit | wrote a *bad* plan last year |
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| 17:08.58 | busycoder | I'm asking them but they are pretty much ignorant |
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| 17:09.23 | platzhirsch | busycoder: ignorant? |
| 17:09.23 | busycoder | and they are saying, they will only help once someone is selected for the project |
| 17:09.38 | platzhirsch | survival of the fittest |
| 17:09.39 | busycoder | yep .. not helping |
| 17:09.42 | jrabbit | Is it their first year? |
| 17:09.51 | busycoder | I think so |
| 17:09.56 | jrabbit | That might be why. |
| 17:10.05 | jrabbit | Asking here is probably a better idea then :) |
| 17:10.23 | busycoder | can u help me bro ? |
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| 17:12.00 | jrabbit | I think theres a good guide in the topic |
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| 17:12.09 | jrabbit | and read up on proposal writing in general |
| 17:12.55 | os_ | AbdFakhouri: or not? |
| 17:13.07 | AbdFakhouri | ?? |
| 17:13.23 | os_ | (you has joined .. or not? |
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| 17:14.23 | AbdFakhouri | yup, but I'm about to leave |
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| 17:14.29 | AbdFakhouri | see you soon |
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| 17:27.20 | pokoko222 | i wrote lot of code and one of the mentors asked me to sign CLA license for the code |
| 17:27.31 | pokoko222 | how do I do that, can you guys give me some info |
| 17:27.43 | pokoko222 | and what does it mean anyways |
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| 17:27.51 | pokoko222 | this is my first time in open source and gsoc |
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| 17:29.26 | dhaun | pokoko222: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributor_License_Agreement |
| 17:29.31 | wtachi | pokoko222: it basically means you give the copyright to the organization, so they own the code instead of you |
| 17:29.41 | wtachi | pokoko222: you should ask the mentor |
| 17:30.06 | pokoko222 | so after that the code is not mine anymore |
| 17:30.56 | wtachi | legally, no, but you should still get credit |
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| 17:31.48 | pokoko222 | is it a good sign a mentor to ask CLA from you? :) |
| 17:31.59 | ThomasWaldmann | wtachi: if it is a FOSS project, ownership doesn't mean much. it's free, everybody can use it (see license). |
| 17:32.04 | pokoko222 | maybe I have good change to be accepted for gsoc |
| 17:32.36 | wtachi | pokoko222: it means they want to use your code, yes |
| 17:33.23 | wtachi | ThomasWaldmann: right, it only matters from a legal perspective |
| 17:34.02 | ThomasWaldmann | and from the organisations perspective, owning the code makes things a bit simpler. e.g. if they want to change the license, like e.g. from gpl2 to gpl3 or so. if there is no copyright assignment, you have to ask every contributor and that might be impracticable. |
| 17:34.23 | gevaerts | pokoko222: read what you sign, and if you don't agree with it, don't sign and find another organisation |
| 17:34.51 | gevaerts | Oh, and a CLA is not the same as a copyright assignment. The differences can be real |
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| 17:37.09 | pokoko222 | I don't really care I just want to be accepted for gsoc :D |
| 17:38.11 | gevaerts | Well, at least read it so you know what you're agreeing to then... |
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| 17:38.42 | pokoko222 | but in general guys, this is good sign of me getting accepted right? |
| 17:38.57 | gevaerts | I don't think it says anything about that, really |
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| 17:39.27 | pokoko222 | oh how come :( |
| 17:39.50 | pokoko222 | i have like 1000+ lines of code, should be a good thing they want me to sign cla |
| 17:39.59 | gevaerts | Some organisations want all contributors to sign a CLA, which means they won't even consider patches if that's not done |
| 17:40.19 | gevaerts | That means it might be the case they won't even look at your patch before you signed it |
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| 17:41.18 | pokoko222 | oh, so I guess I should not get too excited |
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| 17:41.49 | wtachi | the quality of your proposal is very important, no matter how much code you submit |
| 17:41.52 | gevaerts | Also, gsoc doesn't really have to be anything special as far as accepting patches is concerned. |
| 17:42.51 | pokoko222 | ok and the process of signing CLA is it complicated |
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| 17:42.56 | pokoko222 | I mean how much work is in that |
| 17:43.00 | pokoko222 | someone has done it? |
| 17:43.13 | gevaerts | !itdepends |
| 17:43.13 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "itdepends" is That depends on the organisation. Ask them. |
| 17:43.30 | Michitux | look on their websites, it's likely that it is explained somewhere how it works |
| 17:43.55 | gevaerts | It's probably printing out a file, signing it, and sending it to them in some form |
| 17:44.02 | gevaerts | Oh, and *reading* it |
| 17:44.21 | pokoko222 | heh ok guys |
| 17:44.23 | pokoko222 | thanks |
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| 17:45.09 | gevaerts | is serious about that. There's nothing more annoying than open source developers who don't understand the license they're using |
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| 17:46.40 | pokoko222 | I will agree to anything they want me to sign i just want to get in gsoc |
| 17:47.24 | gevaerts | Again, I'm not saying you should take a principled stance here. I'm just saying you should *know* what you sign |
| 17:47.59 | pokoko222 | how bad can it be |
| 17:48.05 | pokoko222 | it is not like I sign, here is my heart |
| 17:48.27 | gevaerts | I'm assuming it's not horrible here |
| 17:48.41 | gevaerts | But that's not the point |
| 17:48.54 | pokoko222 | ok thanks ;) |
| 17:48.59 | pokoko222 | gotta go and code some more |
| 17:49.01 | pokoko222 | cya guys |
| 17:49.21 | pokoko222 | oh and one thing |
| 17:49.36 | pokoko222 | what if the mentor does not believe that you wrote the code |
| 17:49.45 | ChrisOelmueller | why would they? |
| 17:49.52 | pokoko222 | for example I had experience a mentor telling me I wrote a lot of code in few days |
| 17:49.54 | gevaerts | Does he have a reason to? |
| 17:50.00 | pokoko222 | I wrote 1000 lines in 5 days |
| 17:50.18 | pokoko222 | I told him I had already implemented those algorithms a year ago, so I knew them |
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| 17:50.31 | pokoko222 | and also told him if needed a professor can confirm that |
| 17:51.19 | pokoko222 | I mean he can ask me anything about the code, you can easily determine if the code is mine |
| 17:51.25 | pokoko222 | I guess he was just checking ... |
| 17:51.50 | ChrisOelmueller | well if you don't know what your code does, that's bad even if you wrote it. if you know what the code does, there's no reason to suspect it's not yours imho |
| 17:51.58 | gevaerts | GSoC rule 1: don't be paranoid |
| 17:52.05 | pokoko222 | I know every single bit in there |
| 17:52.16 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: hehe :) |
| 17:52.19 | ChrisOelmueller | sounds like they just wanted to check how you perceive criticism though |
| 17:52.28 | ChrisOelmueller | hint: what gevaerts said, really |
| 17:52.35 | pokoko222 | I mean the man asked politely I understand him, it was indeed fast... but I already knew the algos so... |
| 17:52.38 | gevaerts | Saying something like that is *not* proof of suspicion. It can just as easily be a sign of surprise at how much time you put into this |
| 17:53.08 | pokoko222 | indeed |
| 17:53.13 | pokoko222 | i worked morning to evening those days |
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| 18:03.12 | akshat | hi i am trying for bloomington organization http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/bloomington but i am not getting any response from last few days. |
| 18:03.35 | akshat | even i am not seeing any discussion on its mailing list |
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| 18:04.42 | akshat | there is no irc channel for it. can any buddy tell me if there is any discussion page for bloomington organization |
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| 18:06.13 | akshat | please reply if any buddy has any information about bloomington ?? |
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| 18:08.06 | andrewalker | umashankar: your proposal should be ready by april 6. you can't change after that. |
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| 18:17.33 | Michitux | akshat: look at http://lists.open311.org/groups/discuss/messages/topic/5pHHpj4cMraC0uEdZ1gFSd |
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| 18:26.11 | akshat | Michitux: thanx |
| 18:26.42 | akshat | Michitux: are u mentor of bloomington ?? |
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| 18:27.42 | Michitux | akshat: no, I just looked and wondered and then I saw open311 and found their discussion group |
| 18:29.02 | akshat | Michitux: anyway thanx |
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| 19:48.44 | aried3r | Is it possible to rate student proposals during the proposal phase or will this only be unlocked in the rating phase on April 26th? |
| 19:49.09 | aried3r | April 20th* |
| 19:51.38 | MatthewWilkes | aried3r: You can rate during the proposals phase as long as rating has been enabled by your org admin |
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| 19:52.07 | dhaun | but does it make sense to start rating when you don't have all the proposals yet? |
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| 19:52.19 | MatthewWilkes | aried3r: Often it's left disabled as having the rating skewed by when the proposal came in makes the ratings system utterly useless |
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| 19:52.38 | agliodbs | that's really a matter of organizational dynamics |
| 19:52.50 | MatthewWilkes | tbh, when we (Plone) did it last year we left it disabled entirely. |
| 19:52.50 | agliodbs | if you have a small number of mentors, then rating them immediately makes sense |
| 19:53.00 | agliodbs | if you have large number, it's problematic |
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| 19:53.12 | agliodbs | we started raiting on the first day of applications |
| 19:53.23 | ChrisOelmueller | yeah we also don't use the rating system (we're small enough so this can work) |
| 19:53.43 | agliodbs | since otherwise it's difficult to have time to rate them all. plus we wanted mentors to *read* them all, so that we would give the students a chance to fix applications |
| 19:53.46 | aried3r | Ok, thank you. |
| 19:54.28 | aried3r | We use the rating system for easier filtering. We got almost 180 proposals last year and want to start filtering sooner. But we also have measures to get less, higher quality ones this year. |
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| 20:00.29 | agliodbs | aried3r: so the answer is: It's up to your org. the system is flexible |
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| 21:07.49 | b152341 | anyone able to answer questions about gsoc? |
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| 21:09.17 | prateekp | yes |
| 21:09.19 | Lorehead | Well, you didnt specify that the answers had to be correct. |
| 21:09.21 | prateekp | please ask |
| 21:09.24 | b152341 | :P |
| 21:09.28 | prateekp | hehehe |
| 21:09.46 | b152341 | I was looking at the list of programs and requirements/relevant skills |
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| 21:09.58 | b152341 | for instance |
| 21:10.21 | b152341 | privacy, security, anti-censorship, c, python, c++, java is the list for one of them |
| 21:10.34 | flaushy | freenet? |
| 21:11.10 | b152341 | EFF; i have a solid foundation in c, python, c++ and java, but the other 3 im not so sure about |
| 21:11.27 | flaushy | then go to their page :) talk to the org |
| 21:11.35 | gevaerts | b152341: you mean the tags on the organisation list? |
| 21:11.39 | b152341 | yea |
| 21:11.48 | flaushy | every project and every idea they offer has different requirements |
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| 21:12.10 | Lorehead | Id look for a project that matches your skills, and not worry if they do different things, too. |
| 21:12.12 | flaushy | so you don't have to have all the skills for every idea :) |
| 21:12.14 | gevaerts | Those aren't meant to be required skills |
| 21:12.21 | b152341 | okay cool |
| 21:12.28 | gevaerts | They're more to help you find things that interest you |
| 21:12.33 | b152341 | so where should i go from here? |
| 21:12.46 | flaushy | talk to them on irc :) they are quite responsive |
| 21:12.55 | gevaerts | If you go on to the ideas pages, you should find skills there |
| 21:13.43 | b152341 | so EFF and the other orgs have different 'ideas' |
| 21:13.44 | b152341 | ? |
| 21:13.45 | Jooles | Even if you don't have all the required skills, as long as you've got a credible plan for obtaining them and it won't take too long I'm pretty sure that's ok too |
| 21:14.04 | gevaerts | b152341: have you read the FAQ and the student guide? |
| 21:14.11 | Jooles | b152341: Yeah. On the org page there's a link to the ideas page just below the description |
| 21:15.26 | b152341 | I'll get on that FAQ. thanks all. |
| 21:15.46 | gevaerts | !studentguide | b152341 |
| 21:15.46 | gsocbot | b152341: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 21:15.52 | gevaerts | Also have a look at that |
| 21:15.55 | b152341 | k |
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| 21:17.42 | atagar | b152341: Those tags are for Tor and the EFF. I listed those because we have lots of projects. Some use C, some use python, etc. You certainly don't need to know *all* of them. |
| 21:17.46 | atagar | none of us do :) |
| 21:18.16 | arpitgyl | i am very much interested in moodle but i am new to it |
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| 21:18.57 | arpitgyl | and they require atleast a bug resolved if i wanna think about my application being accepted |
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| 21:19.34 | prateekp | yes there are some organiations which require atleast one hack |
| 21:19.58 | prateekp | but some times they consider u if u have really a nice proposal |
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| 21:21.20 | ChrisOelmueller | usually there's tickets in their tracker that you can start working on without knowing the entire codebase |
| 21:21.37 | ChrisOelmueller | try to look for such tickets (or ask if there is no such list/query) |
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| 21:22.40 | Applify | clear |
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| 21:37.26 | bannana_man | Who's able to awnser gsoc questions? |
| 21:37.38 | prateekp | yes |
| 21:37.51 | arpitgyl | @banana_man |
| 21:38.01 | arpitgyl | you sholu question direclty |
| 21:38.13 | arpitgyl | no need to ask for permissio |
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| 21:38.22 | bannana_man | who? |
| 21:38.28 | arpitgyl | everyone here is for gsoc |
| 21:38.43 | bannana_man | sorry makes sense. |
| 21:39.08 | arpitgyl | so ask your question |
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| 21:39.16 | arpitgyl | what are you waiting for |
| 21:39.30 | gevaerts | arpitgyl: no need to rush people either... |
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| 21:50.47 | bannana_man | Sorry for the delay, QUESTION: If you finish your project before the midterm evaluation do you get the whole $5500.00 ? |
| 21:51.12 | b152341 | looks like 500 of it is sent to the mentor either way |
| 21:51.31 | b152341 | so most you can get is 5k |
| 21:51.40 | Catfish_Man | bannana_man: typically what would happen then is that you'd work with your mentor to increase the scope of the project |
| 21:52.03 | Catfish_Man | (similarly, if your project ends up being too big, it's good to work with the mentor to figure out a smaller version of it that will fit in gsoc) |
| 21:52.24 | MatthewWilkes | bannana_man: Indeed, if you've finished your project by midterm it was either not a suitably large project for GSoC, or it was rushed, in which case it'll have some serious quality issues |
| 21:52.24 | bannana_man | but what if the mentor doesn't want to extend the project? |
| 21:52.30 | MatthewWilkes | bannana_man: They will |
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| 21:53.42 | b152341 | so when im looking at the ideas page for an organization, am i looking for one to add my ideas to, or help with, or am i just looking at other people's proposals? |
| 21:53.57 | bannana_man | Ok because I was thinking about submitting two project to the same organization tomorrow |
| 21:54.15 | schumaml | b152341: depends on the organization |
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| 21:54.32 | gevaerts | bannana_man: the ideas list is just that, a list of ideas |
| 21:54.39 | schumaml | it would be uncommon to list of students' ideas there, though |
| 21:55.22 | b152341 | so how would i go about looking for something i could propose my project on? |
| 21:55.40 | Catfish_Man | b152341: the ideas list is the usual place to look |
| 21:55.44 | Catfish_Man | or you can come up with your own |
| 21:56.10 | Catfish_Man | the advantage of the latter is that is shows creativity and reduces competition, the disadvantage is that then you not only have to have a top proposal, you also have to come up with a top idea |
| 21:56.13 | bannana_man | @b152341 try one that you know you would be a shoe in for stuff you've done before or stuff you know the project needs if you don't fit in with their ideas list. |
| 21:56.32 | b152341 | it seems like i would have to look through and learn the program first to come up wth my own ideas |
| 21:56.59 | b152341 | so other peoples listed ideas are ones that i could propose to complete myself? |
| 21:57.24 | Catfish_Man | b152341: the ideas list is created by the mentoring organization, for use by the students when applying |
| 21:57.34 | gevaerts | They're not "other people's ideas", they're the ideas the organisations came up with for you to use |
| 21:57.44 | b152341 | great okay, that clears things up |
| 21:58.18 | Catfish_Man | that said, getting involved early and learning your way around the project is always a good idea :) |
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| 21:58.35 | schumaml | just a hint: talk to the org about the ideas they listed, otherwise you may be in for a disappointment |
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| 21:59.22 | b152341 | okay, do they have the program's code available so i could see how to implement my piece? |
| 21:59.31 | Catfish_Man | b152341: that's what open source means |
| 21:59.34 | b152341 | okay. |
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| 22:01.07 | macobo | sighs - the idea that he liked the most was from the previous year ideas page and has already been implemented. |
| 22:02.03 | gevaerts | !studentguide | b152341 |
| 22:02.03 | gsocbot | b152341: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 22:02.20 | gevaerts | unless you've already read that of course... |
| 22:08.45 | b152341 | yea i read it. |
| 22:10.50 | prateekp | if one is not able to finish his project in time |
| 22:11.02 | prateekp | is there any date extension allowed |
| 22:11.09 | agliodbs | prateekp: no |
| 22:11.22 | agliodbs | if you can't finish it in time, choose a different project |
| 22:12.06 | prateekp | no i mean suppose i am selected for a project |
| 22:12.17 | prateekp | but is not able to finsh in time |
| 22:12.27 | prateekp | i need 2 more weeks suppose |
| 22:12.43 | Catfish_Man | not all students succeed at their projects |
| 22:12.51 | gevaerts | Then you talk to your mentor as soon as you start suspecting you're not going as fast as you hoped |
| 22:13.05 | prateekp | ok |
| 22:13.23 | gevaerts | If there are good reasons for this, you can agree on a revised project |
| 22:13.33 | prateekp | is there more time given to the student' |
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| 22:14.17 | gevaerts | There is no way to move the evaluation dates |
| 22:14.17 | Catfish_Man | no there is not |
| 22:15.32 | prateekp | ok fine |
| 22:15.33 | schumaml | has only ever seen two types of gsoc projects: those that were successful, some with a reduced or extended task, and those which weren't because the students stopped to do anything |
| 22:16.16 | schumaml | none wuld have benefitted from an extension of the final deadline |
| 22:16.27 | prateekp | yes sure |
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| 22:21.31 | Lorehead | If you care about the project rather than the evaluation, theres no reason you couldnt continue to maintain it after the summer is over. |
| 22:23.14 | gevaerts | Lorehead: true, but just a promise to finish things later is no reason to pass a student |
| 22:23.18 | bannana_man | gimp lets people finish |
| 22:23.36 | bannana_man | after gsoc |
| 22:23.38 | Catfish_Man | bannana_man: nobody is going to stop you from working on things later |
| 22:23.44 | Catfish_Man | they just won't pay you for it :P |
| 22:23.53 | bannana_man | right |
| 22:28.32 | Lorehead | As I said, if you dont care about the evaluation. :) |
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| 22:29.43 | MatthewWilkes | note, a possible evaluation result is "Student is behind schedule, pass" |
| 22:29.55 | gevaerts | Lorehead: I don't mind hypothetical questions, but *this* hypothetical? :) |
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| 22:30.35 | MatthewWilkes | Not discussing problems is the worst thing you can do, but if the project is taking longer than you expect and the mentor is aware of that and the two of you are working together to make sure that you concentrate on what's important that's not usually grounds for failing |
| 22:30.53 | Lorehead | Wasnt my question. |
| 22:31.06 | MatthewWilkes | If you're making a best effort and staying in communication you can adjust goals |
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| 22:33.08 | MatthewWilkes | huh… the clocks changed last night? |
| 22:33.18 | schumaml | yes |
| 22:33.38 | MatthewWilkes | goodo, my gadgets updated silently |
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| 22:40.09 | MatthewWilkes | man, contiki. If I have download your dev environment virtual machine and spend 6gb of HD space to use your precompiled versions of tools because you haven't updated them to currently popular versions, I will, fine |
| 22:40.18 | MatthewWilkes | but why oh WHY do you include LibreOffice? |
| 22:40.24 | MatthewWilkes | I can use that anyway! |
| 22:40.42 | MatthewWilkes | I don't need a copy in my *embedded operating systems dev box* |
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| 22:47.32 | summatusmentis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiki this contiki? |
| 22:48.26 | summatusmentis | the one intended for memory-constrained networked systems, including 8-bit computers, microcontrollers and sensory network motes? |
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| 23:15.20 | kamalbanga | i have doubts regarding the project i wanna choose, while no-one on it's irc channel seems to be active... |
| 23:16.20 | MatthewWilkes | kamalbanga: Then try sending an email |
| 23:16.35 | kamalbanga | ok, i would try that, thanx |
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| 23:36.46 | b152341 | is there an example proposal/application I can look at to get an idea for formatting my own? |
| 23:37.34 | agliodbs | b152341: each org generally has a "form" they want you to fill out |
| 23:37.56 | agliodbs | b152341: which should be on the org's information page, or their ideas page |
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