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| 00:06.20 | kotek | finally found a project that is 100% interesting for him. <3 |
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| 00:19.38 | qballer | anyone from JBoss around? |
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| 00:26.14 | ojwb | !anyone | qballer |
| 00:26.15 | gsocbot | qballer: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 00:26.44 | qballer | ojwb |
| 00:27.21 | qballer | I"m already there , I just want to read about there expectations from project participants |
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| 00:27.44 | qballer | I think everybody are sleeping/busy. |
| 00:29.13 | ojwb | if they aren't responding on their own channels, they're unlikely to here, if there's even anyone from jboss here |
| 00:29.34 | qballer | you are right. |
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| 00:46.55 | qballer | I Know application hasn't started but I wonder if a draft was published? |
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| 01:25.26 | Brift | Wow lots of people in here |
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| 01:27.13 | Brift | So I'm new to Irc am I even doing this right? |
| 01:27.47 | noy | yes |
| 01:27.49 | mburst | Looks like it |
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| 01:27.54 | Brift | Phew |
| 01:28.32 | Brift | thanks for the answers btw |
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| 01:28.45 | mburst | np |
| 01:28.52 | mburst | What projects are you thinking of working on? |
| 01:29.19 | Brift | Well I was hoping to learn something about game development |
| 01:29.56 | mburst | That's cool I think my roommate is looking at some of the game projects as well |
| 01:30.02 | Brift | Crystal Space looks interesting though I feel very intimidated |
| 01:30.41 | mburst | Is that the 3d engine or am I thinking of something else? |
| 01:30.55 | Brift | Yeah that is the 3d engine |
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| 01:31.36 | mburst | Sounded like a pretty cool project |
| 01:31.43 | Brift | The whole prosepct has been a little overwhelming as far as the amount of info to take in |
| 01:31.55 | Brift | Google summer of code I mean |
| 01:32.27 | mburst | Yea mad props to Google for setting it all up though |
| 01:32.33 | mburst | A lot of awesome opportunities out there |
| 01:32.36 | Brift | I agree |
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| 02:01.49 | Brift | This is a very quiet room for as many people that are in here |
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| 02:05.30 | desti | what do you want to talk about? |
| 02:05.47 | Brift | Well I am curious about the program |
| 02:06.10 | Brift | I realize it's 40 hours a week of programming over the summer if one is chosen |
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| 02:06.56 | Brift | I guess putting together a plan is the part I would like to know more about |
| 02:07.09 | Brift | Anyone have any experience with that? |
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| 02:09.51 | desti | don't take this time too serious... |
| 02:10.47 | Brift | Well my goal is to become a better programmer, and I think this program sounds like a great way to do that |
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| 02:17.57 | barrbrain | Brift: it is helpful if you can extrapolate from prior experience the complexity of projects that you can achieve in a summer |
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| 02:19.29 | barrbrain | this will help a lot with crafting a realistic roadmap for whichever ideas you apply to implement |
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| 02:20.59 | barrbrain | Brift: fwiw, I agree that this program is a great way to improve the quality of your work |
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| 02:22.34 | barrbrain | GSoC contributions tend receive a great deal of scrutiny and, at least for the git project, plenty of constructive feedback is given |
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| 02:31.47 | Brift | Sorry was afk a second there |
| 02:31.53 | Brift | Thanks for the feedback |
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| 07:05.04 | maxr_ | I love google |
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| 07:16.30 | armaan | hello everyone, is it possible to apply for more than one proposal to the same organisation |
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| 07:17.59 | SukhE | armaan: Yes, but ask the org. |
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| 07:57.38 | gsocbot | pallav: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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| 08:36.15 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 08:36.33 | kai | hey thebolt |
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| 08:40.46 | thebolt | kai: how's things going? |
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| 08:45.39 | kai | thebolt: playing with linux containers for a test setup and hacking on python code, can't complain |
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| 08:48.06 | thebolt | kai: nice |
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| 08:52.31 | chanvn | there are only 2 organizations need men-tee who know GWT (opennms and sigmah). Perhaps there are some other organization need GWT skills but didn't put it on the list? |
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| 09:15.07 | hm_ | @kai, yeah, it was a typo! |
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| 09:35.21 | kai | gah... users.... |
| 09:35.49 | kai | "I can't get it to work, and it doesn't work for my colleagues either. Is there anything I'm missing?" |
| 09:36.05 | kai | yes, you're missing a description of the problem you're seeing.... |
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| 09:38.45 | macobo | Damn users... designing software would be so much easier without having to worry about them! :) |
| 09:39.43 | zhulikas | :D |
| 09:40.25 | kai | I don't mind users that at least have enough clue to include the description of the problem |
| 09:41.02 | kai | how do people expect computer programs are fixed? if I perform magic, I should demand more money |
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| 09:41.47 | Jooles_ | kai: Users who can describe the problem are programmers aren't they :P |
| 09:42.01 | kai | no |
| 09:42.04 | macobo | kai: I understand your pain. However, the best thing you can do is send a polite(!) email back asking for more details. |
| 09:42.40 | kai | I've seen people being able to describe their problem who can't write code, and I've seen programmers not being able to provide useful bug reports |
| 09:42.46 | ecarre | HI o/ |
| 09:43.08 | Ko_lo | Hi \o |
| 09:43.21 | zhulikas | oh no! /o\ |
| 09:43.30 | ecarre | ^^ |
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| 09:43.58 | kai | macobo: to be honest, I'm tempted to let my co-worker deal with this. I don't care about the downloadable version, I'm happy with the web service I'm responsible for |
| 09:44.26 | gevaerts | Letting someone else deal with it is *always* the best solution for this sort of thing |
| 09:44.27 | kai | I don't care about providing free support for companies who won't trust us with their data |
| 09:44.32 | gevaerts | Except when you are the someone else |
| 09:44.51 | kai | I offer reasonable consulting fees |
| 09:45.07 | kai | or at least I think I would if anybody asked |
| 09:46.09 | macobo | :) |
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| 09:47.15 | pc_magas | Καλημέρα Κόσμε - Good Morning Universe |
| 09:49.02 | Ko_lo | Good Morning pc_magas |
| 09:49.12 | gevaerts | pc_magas: the universe doesn't know morning! |
| 09:49.29 | kai | gevaerts: sure, the universe is on UGT |
| 09:49.40 | gevaerts | Ah, right |
| 09:49.47 | gevaerts | Or UGST, starting from next week :) |
| 09:50.04 | Ko_lo | UGT is for Univers Getting Tired ? |
| 09:50.05 | kai | I don't think daylight saving applies for UGT |
| 09:50.17 | kai | Ko_lo: universal greeting time |
| 09:50.30 | Ko_lo | aah better one :) |
| 09:50.31 | kai | it's always morning when you join IRC, and always evening when you leave |
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| 10:01.36 | ecarre | Hoy someone know if there is a chan for XMBC ? |
| 10:03.01 | ecarre | XBMC* |
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| 10:08.42 | pc_magas | ecarre /list #XBMC |
| 10:10.06 | ecarre | thx |
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| 12:37.06 | pokoko222 | I sent my code for comments and review on mailing list, but the main guy on the project is on vacation until sunday |
| 12:37.32 | pokoko222 | so what happens if now someone copies my code, changes it a bit and sends that? and hey whoala we got two people interested for the same topic |
| 12:37.44 | pokoko222 | I am getting paranoid |
| 12:38.04 | gevaerts | Then *everyone* will decide not to look at the email headers, and they won't see you were first, and your dog will die |
| 12:38.05 | ecarre | If someone take your code you can show that you have send your mail before |
| 12:38.21 | SukhE | I really don't think you should worry about that. |
| 12:38.28 | pokoko222 | ok so not all is lost, I can react with the argument that I sent first |
| 12:38.36 | mpreisler | pokoko222: the org will swiftly deal with this if it happens, don't worry about it |
| 12:38.36 | Wizzup | Let the man enjoy his vacation ;-) |
| 12:38.45 | gevaerts | Look, if you don't want people to see your code, get out of gsoc *now* |
| 12:38.56 | pokoko222 | Wizzup: I know I dont bother him with mails, but I think I will die waiting till he comes sunday :D |
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| 12:39.08 | sfb | gevaerts: (= |
| 12:39.11 | ecarre | gevaerts: he just want to show it is own code |
| 12:39.13 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: no no that is not the problem |
| 12:39.26 | pokoko222 | I am just worried cause thing like that can happen lets be real |
| 12:39.39 | |Kev| | I'm fairly sure I'm real. |
| 12:39.55 | pokoko222 | hey |Kev| is here :), would like to hear opinion |
| 12:40.06 | mpreisler | |Kev|: I am complex :( |
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| 12:40.32 | gevaerts | pokoko222: ok, if you're worried about it, you probably have a scenario in mind. How exactly could something like this actually happen? |
| 12:40.35 | |Kev| | If the mentors you were talking to told you to send the code to the list, and you sent the code to the list, in what way can this possibly be wrong? |
| 12:41.04 | pokoko222 | |Kev| I send code to the list asking for comments and if I should submit to github |
| 12:41.16 | Ko_lo | does anyone got some information about the Google Open Source Programs Office's place on gsoc? |
| 12:41.18 | pokoko222 | no comments yet, I mean it is huge code 800 lines and the main guy is on vacation |
| 12:41.29 | mpreisler | pokoko222: if this happens the guy who copied your code will completely destroy his name and nobody will talk to him I think |
| 12:41.38 | mpreisler | 800 lines is "not much" :) |
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| 12:41.42 | gevaerts | It's basically impossible to take someone's code from a patch submission, put your own name on it, and submit it to the same project |
| 12:41.49 | SukhE | pokoko222: So you mean someone will 'steal' your code, submit it and the mentor(s) won't even notice it? I don't think so. |
| 12:41.51 | pokoko222 | mpreisler: that is algorithms, not just data stuff :D |
| 12:41.57 | pokoko222 | lot of math ... |
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| 12:42.27 | gevaerts | Well, it's possible to *try*, but it's definitely not possible to get away with it |
| 12:42.35 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: but I did not submit to github just on mail list |
| 12:42.39 | pokoko222 | that adds to the worry |
| 12:42.41 | gevaerts | So? |
| 12:42.52 | gevaerts | How exactly does that make this easier to do? |
| 12:43.14 | pokoko222 | first time trying for gsoc maybe I am just going nuts for nothing :D |
| 12:43.25 | mpreisler | yeah, you are |
| 12:43.27 | pokoko222 | oh sunday please come fast dear sunday |
| 12:43.27 | mpreisler | don't worry about this |
| 12:43.37 | mpreisler | mentors are usually not entirely blind ;-) |
| 12:43.42 | pokoko222 | I will just take sleeping pills and wake up in sunday |
| 12:43.44 | pokoko222 | :D |
| 12:44.04 | gevaerts | Also, if someone actually tries this sort of thing, his name will very probably be shared on the gsoc mentors mailing list, which basically means no gsoc for him, in any organisation |
| 12:44.35 | pokoko222 | remember when I asked you guys if I should use my real name on mailing list? well I decided to do so and boy I feel good about that now |
| 12:44.41 | pokoko222 | imagine if i used some nickname |
| 12:45.24 | ecarre | you can show it's your own mail with send/receive with it |
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| 12:46.11 | pokoko222 | so you guys say 800 lines is not much, I agree I did them in like 2-3 days |
| 12:46.19 | pokoko222 | I could reach 5000 maybe till 6 april |
| 12:46.28 | |Kev| | Oh, goodie. |
| 12:46.35 | pokoko222 | and that is just before actual gsoc, is it good? |
| 12:46.38 | pokoko222 | that is c++ by the way |
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| 12:46.43 | |Kev| | My time machine worked, we're back in 1980 and LoC is a good measure again! |
| 12:46.47 | pokoko222 | :D |
| 12:46.48 | mpreisler | less code is better if it does the same thing |
| 12:46.53 | mpreisler | :D |
| 12:47.05 | pokoko222 | |Kev| I was not even born then |
| 12:47.14 | sfb | |Kev|: I think it still is at Microsoft. (; |
| 12:47.59 | pokoko222 | ok but guys just give me some general overview of how much people code for application |
| 12:48.20 | |Kev| | pokoko222: As little as possible to solve the problems the mentors want solved. |
| 12:48.24 | pokoko222 | I hear people talking about applying with scripts 50 lines in php ... :D I give them the evil smile |
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| 12:48.50 | pokoko222 | for other projects, some friends... |
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| 12:49.59 | pokoko222 | I even gave up school for gsoc |
| 12:50.10 | |Kev| | And 50 lines of code done the way the project wants is vastly vastly better than 800 done in a different code style, or that's buggy, or doesn't have unit tests, or whatever. |
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| 12:50.24 | pokoko222 | I will be just gsoc till 6 april and code loooot |
| 12:50.30 | debar | is still searching for a proper security project for gsoc except nmap |
| 12:50.58 | sfb | debar: You could check out Tor or Umit. They're vaguely in that arena. |
| 12:50.58 | flaushy | debar is tor any good for you? |
| 12:51.15 | debar | i am more into hardware security stuff like tokens, pkcs11 and opensc |
| 12:51.28 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: anyways, they have project ideas for whole summer... And I basically implemented all the algorithms for that :D |
| 12:51.34 | debar | tor is nice but i am aware of its flaws towards proper security |
| 12:51.35 | pokoko222 | I wonder did they plan a student to work whole summer on that |
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| 12:51.55 | debar | well, i am in my last master degree's year in germany so i have plenty of time |
| 12:52.14 | |Kev| | pokoko222: What did they say when you asked them what was involved in the project that you hadn't yet realised? |
| 12:52.17 | flaushy | which university debar? |
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| 12:52.28 | debar | but besides tokens i adore embedded wireless sensor nodes |
| 12:52.31 | debar | at Fachhochschule Kiel |
| 12:52.38 | pokoko222 | |Kev|: no comments yet, as I said the main guy for that is on vacation |
| 12:52.42 | debar | University of Applied Science in Kiel, Northern Germany |
| 12:52.45 | pokoko222 | others cant comment much i guess |
| 12:52.46 | flaushy | debar: wiselib might be a choice then |
| 12:52.56 | debar | flaushy: will look it up |
| 12:52.58 | flaushy | they do c++ wsn stuff |
| 12:53.18 | debar | flaushy: you got me right :) |
| 12:53.31 | debar | thank you a lot as i am making a universal translator for wsn right now :) |
| 12:53.32 | sfb | debar: Freenet? You could still check Tor's site because it is EFF+Tor - there might be non-Tor project ideas available. Like this: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HTTPSEverywhere/GSOC-2012 |
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| 12:54.17 | debar | this wiselib suits me more as i am more hardware than security |
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| 12:54.26 | maxpagel | debar: happens I'm a wiselib mentor :-) and if you're interested in embedded wireless sensor nodes you should definitely check out the wiselib GSoC project page: www.wiselib.org/gsoc |
| 12:54.41 | debar | i was astonished when i saw the nuernberg node which was powered by a citron |
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| 12:54.59 | debar | https://github.com/Phialo/wsnserver maxpagel |
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| 12:55.11 | debar | this is my project i am on right now. can send you the current paper in pdf if you desire |
| 12:55.14 | flaushy | maxpagel: but you do not have anything for contiki, right? |
| 12:55.41 | maxpagel | everything in the wiselib can be compiled for contiki as well. |
| 12:55.50 | maxpagel | so we are also interested in contiki stuff |
| 12:56.13 | maxpagel | debar: yes please send me the paper. youÄll find my mail in the metor section on our HP |
| 12:56.17 | flaushy | debar: with coap support already? |
| 12:56.59 | flaushy | maxpagel: okie. I ll take a close look later again :) |
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| 12:57.22 | debar | maxpagel: http://debar.blinkenshell.org/wsnserver.pdf |
| 12:57.39 | debar | flaushy: no coap right now as we just started with the documentation |
| 12:57.50 | debar | we are pretty limited by our hardware choise as renesas is the only supplier |
| 12:57.53 | maxpagel | do that, especially if you have any new contiki related ideas for the wiselib we'd love to hear them |
| 12:58.47 | flaushy | debar: there is the beginning of a contiki port for them, tinyos i cant tell.. libcoap works on both ;) |
| 12:58.58 | debar | i will inform my fellow student about this. we have rather low contact as our coordinating professor is on holidays this semestre.... |
| 12:59.02 | maxpagel | debar: you mean for your wsnserver project? |
| 12:59.35 | debar | yes, we only did the middleware for renesas devices. another student needed it for his bachelor's thesis but we are keeping on developing it. |
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| 12:59.48 | debar | even as we have little public attention yet |
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| 13:01.54 | maxpagel | I see. So do I get it right that the renesas node executes Python code? I haven't heard of these nodes before. |
| 13:01.58 | debar | still we are one of the major researching facilities in germany about nodes but in different sections |
| 13:02.11 | debar | no, the nodes does not use python but the hostmachine do |
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| 13:02.39 | debar | we just did a layer which is tranlating our various gear which was programmed on low level by different students to create a university wide node network :) |
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| 13:03.03 | maxpagel | ah ok that makes sense |
| 13:03.26 | debar | we will try to port all stuff to an pandaboard so every machine will be using less than 5 watts |
| 13:03.32 | debar | as there is python for arm |
| 13:04.10 | |Kev| | Pythons don't have arms, silly :) |
| 13:04.28 | maxpagel | :-D |
| 13:04.30 | gevaerts | But arms might have pythons! |
| 13:04.50 | debar | arm will hard float pythons if you ask me |
| 13:04.59 | debar | aww, this will be my third application to gsoc and my last |
| 13:05.01 | flaushy | psoc ^^ |
| 13:05.32 | debar | then i will move to some jungle will my power autonomous panda board with included projector display and keyboard ;) |
| 13:06.07 | flaushy | ah python on a chip it was |
| 13:06.15 | debar | there is something out yet? |
| 13:06.33 | maxpagel | ok folks, need to get back to work debar: make sure you have a look at the wiselib and get in contact if you have any further ideas. we also have our own irc channel #wiselib |
| 13:06.33 | debar | i was dreaming of a python interpreter on a fpga/arm combined die |
| 13:06.48 | maxpagel | same to you flaushy |
| 13:06.51 | debar | maxpagel: will contact you soon |
| 13:06.57 | maxpagel | awesome |
| 13:07.30 | flaushy | debar: for arm7 there is one, mc1322x.devl.org has a link. you can prolly poke mar about it as well |
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| 13:09.31 | debar | aww, so much to read on weekend^Hfriday |
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| 13:20.28 | o0o0o | debar, read http://pontaopad.me/macambira for line 120 on |
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| 13:22.16 | debar | o0o0o: i am not a hacker |
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| 13:23.58 | debar | i think programming will be obsolete upon singularity when machines will understand all humand knowledge. this year will come probably in my lifetime. |
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| 13:35.31 | kai | hahaha, good one |
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| 13:40.34 | kai | debar: I'm not sure experts understand all knowledge in their area |
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| 13:41.34 | kai | and seeing how computers are glorified calculators who need to be taught every little detail, I don't see anything understanding all human knowledge anytime soon |
| 13:41.46 | kai | of course I have no ideas how long you're planning to live... ;) |
| 13:42.05 | kai | is going to live forever or die trying |
| 13:42.07 | debar | i believe in the calculus rationator |
| 13:42.25 | debar | i hope there wont be clinical immortality ever as society would stand still |
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| 13:44.00 | kai | but rational calculus only works if you understand the system you're looking at |
| 13:44.12 | kai | and nature is complex |
| 13:44.20 | kai | and the more we look, the more complex it gets |
| 13:44.24 | debar | science will solve that in finite time |
| 13:44.26 | JordiGH | Wow, interesting offtopic. |
| 13:44.35 | JordiGH | !logs |
| 13:44.35 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 13:44.38 | JordiGH | goes read. |
| 13:44.40 | debar | there is no stop for evolution as far as i can judge |
| 13:44.49 | |Kev| | I think solving something in infinite time isn't solving it at all :) |
| 13:44.53 | kai | debar: finite, maybe. before our sun runs out of fuel, I'm not sure |
| 13:45.04 | JordiGH | Aw, no logs for right now yet. |
| 13:45.19 | debar | haha, imagine what humanity will be able to solve just in comparision how fast we advanced in just 50 years |
| 13:45.54 | debar | so in 5 billion yrs we will surely be an intergalactical species, i hope |
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| 13:46.03 | ojwb | maybe we'll solve the halting problem |
| 13:46.12 | flaushy | ojwb: that would be a start ;) |
| 13:46.14 | thebolt | i'm pretty sure we won't ;) |
| 13:46.21 | JordiGH | Maybe we won't kill ourselves with war and overpopulation. |
| 13:46.27 | kai | JordiGH: I was responding to " < debar> i think programming will be obsolete upon singularity when machines will understand all humand knowledge. this year will come probably in my lifetime." |
| 13:46.28 | ojwb | has a solution, but it won't fit in the margin of this irc channel |
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| 13:46.59 | debar | JordiGH: even in the 5 century bc people write on walls in babylon: youth is destorying all mankind |
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| 13:47.12 | debar | so just dont hop on this though but belive in future progress |
| 13:47.26 | kai | debar: looking at my area of expertise, I believe our knowledge is chaotic, or at least behaves like a fractal |
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| 13:47.51 | ojwb | kai: that area of expertise being microsoft apis? |
| 13:48.01 | kai | it looks good, but a bit fuzzy at the edges, so we dive in deeper there, and when we solve it, we notice it's a bit fuzzy at the edges |
| 13:48.01 | debar | fractals are self repeating to a expanding sense so i agree :) |
| 13:48.07 | JordiGH | kai: Ah. Unfortunately, people already feel that way now. An iPad is something too complicated to understand, so you shouldn't try to worry your little head with it. It's too complicated for you. Don't ask for source, don't ask for freedom. Just be a happy consumer. It's sort of like this: http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/WhyYouDoNotUsuallyNeedToKnowAboutInternals.html |
| 13:48.25 | kai | ojwb: no, microbiology.. my day job |
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| 13:49.09 | kai | JordiGH: right, we don't need to understand how reproduction works to reproduce |
| 13:49.39 | JordiGH | Unless we want to pick our children's eye colour... or prevent genetic disease... |
| 13:49.40 | kai | JordiGH: in fact, I believe statistics show reproduction works better if people don't know too much about it |
| 13:49.45 | JordiGH | OR BREED SUPERSOLDIERS |
| 13:49.53 | kai | right.... |
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| 13:50.41 | debar | the problem is current slow down of society mental growth according to scientific advance |
| 13:50.59 | debar | there is no place for concepts as corruption in an advances society |
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| 13:52.10 | JordiGH | kai: I really don't like the ignorance argument. That too much knowledge is harmful or will make you go mad. It sounds like some Cthulhu fantasy. |
| 13:52.15 | thebolt | kai: at leaast, those who are experts at how it works are not the most vivid performers of it ;) |
| 13:53.11 | flaushy | JordiGH: i would agree with kai there, they try to optimizise without realising the sideeffects. evolution did a good job already on reproduction |
| 13:53.32 | kai | thebolt: I've recently seen a statistic on teen pregnancies per US state, and which of these states have sex-ed in school, there's an interesting correlation there |
| 13:53.51 | JordiGH | Evolution gave me an appendix, a misshapen eye, and an inability to produce my own vitamin C. |
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| 13:54.10 | kai | JordiGH: no. that's mutations |
| 13:54.25 | kai | JordiGH: apart from the appendix, which actually is a useful thing |
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| 13:54.54 | JordiGH | Why is my eye inside out, kai? |
| 13:54.55 | kai | as far as evolution goes, it still hasn't realized that we're no longer foraging in steppes |
| 13:55.09 | kai | JordiGH: because it works that way |
| 13:55.35 | debar | our future is still not decided and a living in a small comunity in steppes is still an option right now |
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| 13:56.22 | kai | JordiGH: it's not as evolution "decides" anything |
| 13:56.28 | JordiGH | The most interesting that's going to happen to us is how are we going to feed ~7e9 humans when we no longer have a cheap way to transport massive quantities of food. |
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| 13:56.47 | JordiGH | Not that we're doing a good job of feeding most of them right now... |
| 13:56.50 | kai | you mutate stuff like crazy, and the things that happen to work eventually turn up in more individuals |
| 13:57.18 | debar | population always changed in numbers over time. just look to south american highly advanced societies in the amazonas near 0ac. |
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| 13:58.11 | kai | focuses on smaller things |
| 13:58.15 | kai | like microbes |
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| 13:58.18 | kai | less complicated |
| 13:58.53 | o0o0o | JordiGH, you can flush gsocbot if you have owner capabilities; like this: gsocbot flush |
| 13:59.15 | JordiGH | o0o0o: Eh? |
| 13:59.30 | kai | but gsocbot doesn't log |
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| 13:59.45 | o0o0o | kai, ow ok |
| 13:59.48 | kai | ibot does |
| 13:59.48 | ibot | [does] the present third singular of do |
| 14:00.14 | kai | there's an interesting correlation between the bot's name and the url of the logs |
| 14:00.14 | o0o0o | ibot, log |
| 14:00.14 | ibot | well, log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt |
| 14:00.28 | kai | ibot just logs, afaik |
| 14:00.42 | kai | !logs | o0o0o |
| 14:00.42 | gsocbot | o0o0o: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 14:00.44 | JordiGH | ubot? |
| 14:00.46 | JordiGH | No. hebot. |
| 14:00.55 | JordiGH | Or itbot, I guess. |
| 14:01.05 | gevaerts | Yes, and trying to get an ithing to do something it wasn't designed for is madness |
| 14:01.19 | kai | hehehe |
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| 14:03.59 | o0o0o | gsocbot, whatis ibot |
| 14:03.59 | gsocbot | o0o0o: "ibot" is an impetuous bot that just logs and does nothing else |
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| 14:04.56 | JordiGH | Did D apply for GSoC? |
| 14:05.06 | JordiGH | ... is D free? |
| 14:05.11 | kai | I think I've seen them on the list |
| 14:05.21 | downey | !orgs |
| 14:05.21 | gsocbot | downey: "orgs" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 14:05.37 | JordiGH | downey: Yeah, that's the ones who got accepted. I want to know if D applied. I didn't think I saw it there. |
| 14:05.40 | gevaerts | JordiGH: yes |
| 14:05.42 | gevaerts | digitalmars |
| 14:05.55 | JordiGH | Oh, cool. |
| 14:06.07 | downey | JordiGH: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/dlang |
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| 14:06.35 | o0o0o | anything particularly related to direct democracy? |
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| 14:07.01 | o0o0o | ddd == digital direct democracy |
| 14:07.20 | JordiGH | No, data display debugger! |
| 14:07.35 | kai | if only the list of orgs had a way to filter by tags |
| 14:08.10 | JordiGH | Is D free nowadays? I haven't followed up on what happened between the lead dev and the community and its stdlib fork. |
| 14:08.34 | JordiGH | I thought there was a non-free early version of it, although I see that gcc now does D. |
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| 14:10.17 | gevaerts | JordiGH: I have very vague similar memories, but I really don't remember |
| 14:10.40 | JordiGH | I would love a replacement for C++. I really would. |
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| 14:12.17 | JordiGH | Huh, wow, just in February looks like they managed to fix the stdlib fork (unfork it?) |
| 14:12.25 | gevaerts | JordiGH: http://dlang.org/faq.html#q5 |
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| 14:12.55 | gevaerts | So in general it seems to be "there are both free and non-free compilers" |
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| 14:13.17 | atagar | debar: 'tor is nice but i am aware of its flaws towards proper security' -> Not sure what you mean. If you have real concerns about security around tor then #tor-dev on oftc would love to know. |
| 14:13.20 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 14:13.22 | atagar | is an admin for tor, but mostly works on the python infrastructure around it so he wouldn't be a good person to ask |
| 14:13.25 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Thanks. |
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| 14:15.56 | JordiGH | gets back to writing moar coadz. |
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| 14:30.51 | kai | carols: you were looking for me yesterday? |
| 14:31.07 | carols | kai: i was. i wanted to know what i should instruct people to do to be queued this year. |
| 14:32.55 | kai | oh, gsocbot takes care of that, let me load the plugin again |
| 14:33.45 | kai | so basically they can "/msg gsocbot queue <orgname> <org url>" |
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| 14:34.03 | kai | actually, the part behind the queue is free text |
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| 14:34.15 | kai | so tell them to use whatever is most useful for you |
| 14:35.04 | kai | and when they're called, it'll look like this: |
| 14:35.05 | carols | i would like them to just queue themselves without me having to worry about it :-) |
| 14:35.31 | kai | right, do we have a channel for this or do we do this in here |
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| 14:35.51 | kai | !nextinline |
| 14:35.52 | gsocbot | kai: Next in line is kai with notice 'WorldForge http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code' |
| 14:36.38 | Annaa | Hey..Sorry to interrupt..I wanted to know:-The date for student interaction with organisations ends on 25th of March..However,students can send applications till 6th of April . I wanted to know if there's somethin we want to ask/discuss with the organisation from 26th march to 5th April i.e in the mean-time, will they not entertain us..?Or is it not allowed? |
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| 14:37.15 | kai | Annaa: I'd sure hope your interactions with the org doesn't end the day after tomorrow |
| 14:37.15 | ries | carols: kai queue works .. |
| 14:37.29 | downey | Annaa: There's no deadline for interacting with orgs. :) |
| 14:37.39 | sfb | Annaa: No, I fully expect students to continue meeting orgs and asking questions. After you submit your proposal you'll probably get additional feedback, questions, etc. |
| 14:37.47 | sfb | Annaa: So basically we'll always talk to you. (; |
| 14:38.44 | kai | carols: sure, everybody who wants to get into queue can msg the bot on their own |
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| 14:39.15 | kai | the only thing I didn't figure out yet was how to get the bot to allow every op in this channel to call the next in line |
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| 14:39.46 | Annaa | Oh..K..Thanks..!Also,even after the application is submitted,will the orgs suggest amendments and expect a better and a modified proposal before 6th april..Is that also possible..? |
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| 14:41.14 | aliq | carols: Stupid question (sorry…) - can we assigned more than one mentor to a student project? |
| 14:41.27 | aliq | [edit: can we *assign*] |
| 14:41.57 | JordiGH | aliq: Yeah. Ideally, you should always have some backup mentors anyways. |
| 14:43.26 | gevaerts | Annaa: some of them do, some don't |
| 14:43.38 | aliq | JordiGH: we do - i'm thinking about the "official connection" (mentors mailing list etc) |
| 14:44.02 | Annaa | Okay..Thank-you. |
| 14:44.38 | kai | aliq: all signed up mentors get to be on the mailing list |
| 14:44.57 | kai | but I generally pre-filter and forward important stuff to my mentors manually |
| 14:45.08 | kai | the mentors list can get noisy at times |
| 14:45.31 | kai | no comparison to the students list |
| 14:45.45 | kai | but still pretty noisy :) |
| 14:46.01 | aliq | kai: thanks! now i can stop worrying about getting them *on* the list. instead will worry about how to keep the noise from them. :D |
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| 14:46.34 | kai | aliq: tell them to filter all mails to that list sent from @google.com to somewhere they'll find them |
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| 14:51.30 | zhulikas | panics |
| 14:51.53 | JordiGH | zhulikas: What's up, mate? |
| 14:52.17 | zhulikas | not much |
| 14:52.21 | zhulikas | taking a break |
| 14:52.28 | JordiGH | A break from panicking? |
| 14:52.38 | zhulikas | yeah... |
| 14:52.47 | JordiGH | Wise move. |
| 14:52.55 | zhulikas | do I know you? :D |
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| 14:55.41 | zhulikas | should I start worrying if I didn't get any responses yet for a project proposal? |
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| 14:56.31 | Michitux | zhulikas: depends on when you sent it |
| 14:56.50 | zhulikas | I see... |
| 14:56.55 | zhulikas | a few days ago |
| 14:56.55 | gevaerts | And if you sent it to the right place :) |
| 14:57.03 | zhulikas | and I didn't send a complete proposal |
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| 14:57.18 | zhulikas | it's more like a suggestion inside a trac (where all the proposals are made) |
| 14:57.28 | zhulikas | I should probably make a full proposal and put it ther |
| 14:57.37 | downey | zhulikas: Did you ask for feedback? |
| 14:57.40 | zhulikas | yes |
| 14:57.43 | zhulikas | it was like |
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| 14:57.57 | zhulikas | I was giving an idea for a project and asked what do people think about that |
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| 14:58.12 | zhulikas | and if it was positive, I was going to make a serious proposal and go for it |
| 14:58.24 | zhulikas | actually it's a Haskell support for Visual Studio 11 and up |
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| 14:58.46 | zhulikas | ok, need to go, will be there later :| |
| 14:58.47 | downey | zhulikas: Some orgs like unsolicited project ideas, and some don't. When and how you get feedback may depend on which they prefer. |
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| 14:59.44 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 14:59.52 | gevaerts | gets some coffee |
| 14:59.57 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 14:59.57 | downey | 2 lumps please |
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| 15:00.16 | JordiGH | already had a très grande vanille française. |
| 15:00.22 | busycoder | hey carols |
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| 15:00.27 | gevaerts | carols: good morning! It must still be early over there... |
| 15:00.33 | mlankhorst | Sounds very frenchy. :) |
| 15:00.43 | carols | hi busycoder |
| 15:00.47 | carols | it is early :-) |
| 15:00.50 | |Kev| | It's the Carol. |
| 15:00.52 | carols | but it's a special day today |
| 15:01.00 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 15:01.01 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
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| 15:01.08 | gevaerts | can't ever say ":-)" after saying it's early... |
| 15:01.25 | busycoder | I am trying volunteer Openflood in gsoc but honestly I don't have any idea about the project they have mentioned on their website |
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| 15:01.40 | ndp_opendap | carols: I am here for the "rejects" meeting. How do we get queued for feedback? |
| 15:01.46 | busycoder | but I meet their requirement like Java and Networking. |
| 15:01.50 | mlankhorst | busycoder: so ask them? :X |
| 15:01.55 | |Kev| | ndp_opendap: I think you're an hour early :) |
| 15:01.58 | kai | carols: so, meeting in here? |
| 15:02.00 | carols | ndp_opendap: "/msg gsocbot queue <orgname> <org url>" |
| 15:02.03 | carols | kai: yes |
| 15:02.16 | kai | /topichttp://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
| 15:02.21 | kai | er, sorry |
| 15:02.30 | mlankhorst | !queue |
| 15:02.30 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: I queued you at position 2 in the queue |
| 15:02.32 | busycoder | they don't reply very quickly |
| 15:02.34 | aswin | I am a beginner and would like to know how to know about all projects accepted under gsoc |
| 15:02.36 | mlankhorst | oh.. |
| 15:02.39 | mlankhorst | !unqueue |
| 15:02.42 | kai | dequeue |
| 15:02.46 | mlankhorst | !dequeue |
| 15:02.46 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: Removed you from the queue as requested |
| 15:02.52 | busycoder | they reply my messages once a day |
| 15:02.56 | carols | aswin: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 15:03.14 | ndp_opendap | carols: Thanks. Queued. |
| 15:03.18 | carols | yw |
| 15:03.18 | stefanha | luiz___: I have queued QEMU |
| 15:03.29 | mlankhorst | Good luck! I have to run for a bit. |
| 15:03.36 | aswin | @carols thanks |
| 15:03.38 | busycoder | they don't have irc too |
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| 15:03.52 | busycoder | can anyone guide me |
| 15:03.53 | *** topic/#gsoc by kai -> /msg gsocbot queue <orgname> <org idea page url> to queue for the rejected orgs session | http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
| 15:03.57 | |Kev| | busycoder: A day's turn around seems entirely reasonable to me. |
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| 15:04.21 | carols | kai: how do i pull off the queue one by one? |
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| 15:05.00 | busycoder | kev: I have a lot of queries but when I ask them all they just answer one of them . |
| 15:05.05 | kai | carols: I'll do that for you, I couldn't figure out how to let ops do that without giving them more access than I'd like on the bot, sorry |
| 15:05.13 | kai | carols: I'll work that out for next year |
| 15:05.14 | carols | kai: no worries. thank you |
| 15:05.19 | carols | baby steps :-) |
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| 15:06.02 | |Kev| | It'll beat manual queuing in any case. |
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| 15:06.13 | saste | hi carols, hi all |
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| 15:06.20 | carols | hi saste |
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| 15:09.01 | carols | serves some more coffee |
| 15:09.37 | JordiGH | mlankhorst: Yeah, I'm in Mtl. It's kinda Frenchy here. |
| 15:09.54 | JordiGH | !queue |
| 15:09.54 | gsocbot | JordiGH: I queued you at position 8 in the queue |
| 15:10.04 | jitsi_emcho | !queue |
| 15:10.05 | gsocbot | jitsi_emcho: I queued you at position 9 in the queue |
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| 15:11.28 | ries | !queue |
| 15:11.28 | gsocbot | ries: You're queued at position 1 already, I've updated notice to 'None' |
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| 15:12.17 | marcj | are we queuing for the rejection feedback meeting? |
| 15:12.25 | stefanha_qemu | marcj: see /topic |
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| 15:12.36 | stefanha_qemu | !queue |
| 15:12.36 | gsocbot | stefanha_qemu: I queued you at position 11 in the queue |
| 15:12.40 | Compn | for the meeting, say an organization has a few members who wish to ask questions, should they queue as well or just connect with whomever queued up first ? |
| 15:12.58 | JordiGH | !queue octave http://octave.org/wiki/index.php?title=GSoC_Project_Ideas |
| 15:12.58 | gsocbot | JordiGH: You're queued at position 8 already, I've updated notice to 'octave http://octave.org/wiki/index.php?title=GSoC_Project_Ideas' |
| 15:12.59 | kai_andy | ries, not what you wanted, i guess |
| 15:13.16 | Compn | is this going to go +m and only +v each org person ? i'm curious ... |
| 15:13.18 | ries | kai_andy: hahaha… del… somebody needs to be first, right? |
| 15:13.46 | snc | carols: can we have the backup admin join in today's org meetings? |
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| 15:13.51 | |Kev| | Compn: Usually. |
| 15:13.56 | kai_andy | No, I meant that you deleted your URL |
| 15:14.09 | carols | snc: of course. |
| 15:14.13 | snc | carols: awesome, thanks |
| 15:14.16 | jitsi_emcho | !queue jitsi http://jitsi.org/index.php/Development/GSoC |
| 15:14.16 | gsocbot | jitsi_emcho: You're queued at position 9 already, I've updated notice to 'jitsi http://jitsi.org/index.php/Development/GSoC' |
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| 15:14.32 | carols | kai: is there a way to get two people from an org into the queue at the same time? |
| 15:14.41 | carols | or am i just asking for random features at this point? :-) |
| 15:14.48 | |Kev| | carols: Do the Nick thing? |
| 15:14.51 | |Kev| | *nick thing. |
| 15:15.13 | carols | sure, i can do that. |
| 15:15.14 | Compn | all projects change to project|nickname ? |
| 15:15.21 | Compn | hehe |
| 15:15.29 | carols | yeah |
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| 15:15.41 | kai_andy | The bot doesn't voice people anyway |
| 15:15.48 | carols | if you're here from an org, could you please change your nick to project|nickname ? |
| 15:15.56 | carols | very helpful for me. |
| 15:16.02 | Compn | carols : put it in topic ;) |
| 15:16.03 | |Kev| | That's presumably here from an org that wants feedback. |
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| 15:16.08 | ries | kai_andy: When did I update? I thought !queue meant to see your queue status? |
| 15:16.18 | carols | Compn: patience :-) |
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| 15:16.40 | deshantm | carols: can both lars_kurth and I represent our org at the meeting? |
| 15:16.43 | jitsi_emcho | is project_nickname ok? I am asking in case gsocbot does not handle renaming :) |
| 15:16.45 | kai_andy | Ries: no |
| 15:16.46 | Jane__ | !queue WordPress http://codex.wordpress.org/GSoC2012 |
| 15:16.46 | gsocbot | Jane__: I queued you at position 15 in the queue |
| 15:16.54 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> /msg gsocbot queue <orgname> <org idea page url> to queue for the rejected orgs session | Please use project|nick as your nickname for the rejected orgs session| http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
| 15:16.58 | ries | kai_andy: Ooo… ic… I have re-updated then |
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| 15:17.02 | lars_kurth | nick xen|lars_kurth |
| 15:17.11 | ndp_opendap | carols said: "if you're here from an org, could you please change your nick to project|nickname ?" I say: How??" |
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| 15:17.35 | kai_andy | Ries: that's !showqueue |
| 15:17.42 | MacPorts|snc | ndp_opendap: /nick NewName|Here |
| 15:18.04 | carols | thanks MacPorts|snc |
| 15:18.07 | MacPorts|snc | np ;-) |
| 15:18.09 | jitsi_emcho | carols: is project_nickname ok? I am asking in case gsocbot does not handle renaming … since we're already queued |
| 15:18.10 | ries | kai_andy: I see it! thanks |
| 15:18.19 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Thanks |
| 15:18.23 | carols | jitsi_emcho: that's fine. we'll survive :-) |
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| 15:19.09 | opennms|sfb | Oh. I'm not here for that meeting. |
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| 15:19.48 | kai_andy | Also note gsocbot doesn't track name changes |
| 15:19.52 | ffmpeg|ubitux | is it necessary to queue to participate? |
| 15:20.16 | DokuWiki|Michitu | kai_andy: does that mean I need to dequeue with the old nick + queue again with the new? |
| 15:20.20 | kai_andy | You'll not loose your space in queue, though |
| 15:20.27 | MacPorts|snc | ffmpeg|ubitux: yes, as she has a bot to pull you into private chat to discuss things |
| 15:20.47 | MacPorts|snc | it's by org though, if i'm reading everything correctly |
| 15:20.52 | X_Org|tstellar | What time will the rejected orgs session begin? |
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| 15:21.03 | carols | X_Org|tstellar: in 40 minutes. |
| 15:21.04 | |Kev| | X_Org|tstellar: 1600 GMT |
| 15:21.05 | kai_andy | Not quite, but you'll have to queue up |
| 15:21.38 | OPeNDAP|ndp | kai_nady: You didn't answer this: "does that mean I need to dequeue with the old nick + queue again with the new?" And I would like to know... |
| 15:21.44 | astrometry|stumm | carols: do you know know roughly how long the avg session will be? trying to gauge when i should come back |
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| 15:22.18 | Compn | OPeNDAP|ndp : they'll find you , dont worry :) |
| 15:22.26 | OPeNDAP|ndp | ok |
| 15:22.29 | kai_andy | Hang on |
| 15:22.38 | kai_andy | Typing on the phone in a moving bus is slow |
| 15:23.06 | carols | astrometry|stumm: about 2-5 minutes. |
| 15:23.09 | carols | depending. |
| 15:23.12 | Dolibarr|eldy10 | What's next after changing nickname to project|nick to be queued for rejected orgs session ? |
| 15:23.16 | carols | somehow this meeting stakes about 4 hours, though. |
| 15:23.19 | therealmarv | Hello, does somebody from Google know if it's still possible to edit the "tag list" for this site? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 15:23.24 | carols | Dolibarr|eldy10: did you queue? |
| 15:23.33 | Dolibarr|eldy10 | no. How ? |
| 15:23.36 | carols | therealmarv: each org can change its own tags |
| 15:23.37 | kai_andy | You won't need to re queue |
| 15:23.37 | |Kev| | See /topic |
| 15:23.42 | carols | Dolibarr|eldy10: did you look at the topic? |
| 15:23.46 | qemu|stefanha | kai_andy: Good to hear |
| 15:23.57 | therealmarv | carols: thanks. |
| 15:24.01 | carols | yw |
| 15:24.10 | OpenMRS|downey | therealmarv: I'm not from Google but each org can simply edit their org profile page to update the tags. |
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| 15:24.18 | wordpress|jane | maybe worth putting the prompt to check /topic in the chanserv message so people see when they join |
| 15:24.33 | astrometry|stumm | thanks carols |
| 15:24.37 | carols | yw |
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| 15:24.54 | mikhas | the feedback session for rejected orgs will happen in this channel in roughly 30min right? |
| 15:25.00 | carols | mikhas: correct |
| 15:25.03 | kai_andy | We'll manually voice people who are on |
| 15:25.20 | mikhas | good, thanks |
| 15:25.43 | kai_andy | And we'll hopefully be smart enough to figure out the nick |
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| 15:26.06 | carols | and by "we" we mean you, kai_andy :-) |
| 15:26.07 | ffmpeg|compn | well, if they regged an org name, then changed to org|name , should be easy ;) |
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| 15:27.01 | |Kev| | kai_andy: I expect I'll be here for the duration, so I don't mind helping out again if you want to step out at some point. |
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| 15:27.09 | kai_andy | I'll also be at a real keyboard by that time :-) |
| 15:27.28 | carols | hey, i'm doing this from my laptop :-) so no complaining |
| 15:27.39 | MacPorts|snc | applauds carols |
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| 15:27.50 | carols | yeah, my carpal tunnel doesn't applaud, though. |
| 15:27.55 | |Kev| | Dvorak? |
| 15:28.19 | carols | right, i need another difficult skill to learn to add to do in all my free time. |
| 15:28.30 | Dolibarr|eldy10 | Note for people using empathy as chat client. The topic is not visible (and topic explain how to be queued). Try another chat client (i tested with webchat, it's ok, i have answer) |
| 15:28.30 | kai_andy | Kev: the thing is that you currently need owner privileges to call the next in line |
| 15:28.48 | |Kev| | Yes, I didn't find switching convenient either, but it did significantly help my hand/wrist pain, and that was something I wanted. |
| 15:29.08 | |Kev| | kai_andy: Ah, right. Previously I've just needed a croissant temporarily, I'd forgotten the bot would change things. |
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| 15:30.04 | carols | i temporarily need a croissant quite often. |
| 15:30.06 | kai_andy | I couldn't figure out how to allow that command got all ops |
| 15:30.10 | |Kev| | carols: It's about a week, from my experience, of typing painfully slowly, and another week to feel you're up to speed. Which is a not inconsiderable investment. |
| 15:30.17 | DonDiego | hands carols a croissant |
| 15:30.25 | |Kev| | But painfully slowly is better than slowly and painfully :) |
| 15:30.36 | carols | |Kev|: and all the people who email me are relying on me typing quickly :-) |
| 15:30.38 | carols | thanks DonDiego |
| 15:31.03 | |Kev| | carols: Early weeks of GSoC probably wouldn't be an ideal time. But I've no idea if it ever gets quieter for you. |
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| 15:31.18 | carols | |Kev|: um, december is usually somewhat reasonable. |
| 15:31.18 | |Kev| | I hope so, I can't believe this is sustainable... |
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| 15:31.25 | kai_andy | Doesn't google have a nice speech recognition system |
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| 15:32.06 | carols | kai_andy: actually, yeah. but i'd have to specifically request it, have it installed, and then i'd have to slowly train and work with that just like Dvorak. |
| 15:32.32 | kai_andy | I'd expect they need that for their killer drones... |
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| 15:32.59 | kai_andy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.03 | carols | i can neither confirm nor deny the existence of killer drones. |
| 15:33.15 | ffmpeg|compn | if only the speech recognition worked better for e.g. youtube auto captions feature... :) |
| 15:33.37 | ffmpeg|compn | a speech recognition that doesnt require training... one can dream |
| 15:33.52 | LimeSurvey|ajs | carols: what about augmented reality glasses? |
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| 15:34.03 | carols | LimeSurvey|ajs: i want a teleporter first. |
| 15:34.04 | carols | . |
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| 15:34.31 | |Kev| | ffmpeg|compn: Well, the interesting thing there is that accents usually aren't that unique. |
| 15:34.40 | kai_andy | Well, you need to focus on the important things first |
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| 15:34.49 | carols | kai_andy: i think we should turn off everyone's voice in about 15 minutes. what do you think? |
| 15:34.50 | kai_andy | Like more fuel efficient black helicopters |
| 15:35.05 | |Kev| | So I wonder to what extent you could have a body of trained voices and then a classification system to try and recognise an accent from a short user exceprt. |
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| 15:35.39 | ffmpeg|compn | |Kev| : dont forget audio filters to clean up background noise |
| 15:35.43 | |Kev| | carols: Should we have a back channel again? I don't know if it's worth it or not. |
| 15:35.48 | mlankhorst | carols: depends on how much noise :) |
| 15:35.59 | carols | |Kev|: i wasn't in the back channel last year, i had enough going on as it was :-) |
| 15:36.01 | carols | was it used? |
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| 15:36.06 | mikhas | wait what? someone wants to work on free speech recognition? where, who? |
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| 15:36.25 | wordpress|jane | carols: just remembered we changed our ideas page after not getting accepted, so the link i gave in queue isn't tho original. do i need to requeue or can i just paste the link to the historical wiki page |
| 15:36.25 | kai_andy | I think |
| 15:36.27 | kai_andy | Err |
| 15:36.36 | |Kev| | carols: I don't remember one year to the next. Did I help out last year? |
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| 15:36.50 | kai_andy | I think +m will work |
| 15:36.56 | ReactOS|Amine | hello folks |
| 15:36.59 | luiz___ | qemu|stefanha: ack |
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| 15:37.08 | carols | wordpress|jane: i need to reference the one that was in your application. so whichever that is :-) since that's the one that was reviewed during our review process |
| 15:37.16 | carols | |Kev|: i think so... |
| 15:37.23 | |Kev| | Yes, then. |
| 15:37.38 | carols | great. |
| 15:37.38 | |Kev| | It's usually used for queuing, but now we have the SuperBot to manage that... |
| 15:37.55 | carols | SuperBot to the rescue! |
| 15:38.09 | wordpress|jane | carols: can you try this link? not sure if history views require login. if so i can revert until end of meeting http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=GSoC2012&oldid=114656 |
| 15:38.19 | |Kev| | wordpress|jane: Works for me. |
| 15:38.22 | carols | wordpress|jane: sure, just a sec |
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| 15:38.41 | kai_andy | Carols: will do |
| 15:38.59 | carols | wordpress|jane: yeah, that works for me. |
| 15:39.03 | wordpress|jane | |Kev|: thanks |
| 15:39.05 | kai_andy | I'm almost back at a real computer |
| 15:39.08 | wordpress|jane | carols: great |
| 15:39.16 | Dolibarr|eldy | OK. I'm queued now for rejected orgs session. What's next ? Just wait 16:00 UTC ? Do I have to continue to ask question on the channel gsocbot ? |
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| 15:39.25 | mlankhorst | just wait :) |
| 15:39.28 | |Kev| | Dolibarr|eldy: If you're queued you're ready. |
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| 15:39.38 | mikhas | why wasn't the feedback session not simply announced in the rejection mails? |
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| 15:39.45 | mikhas | wasn't it clear the session would take place? |
| 15:40.02 | OPeNDAP|ndp | I did not use our ideas page URL when I entered the queue. CAn I change that without dropping from the queue. |
| 15:40.05 | mikhas | wasn't it clear that people would ask for feedback? |
| 15:40.07 | hiddenpearls | carols, are u there ? |
| 15:40.10 | carols | mikhas: because the automated emails are the same every year and i hadn't scheduled the feedback session yet. |
| 15:40.13 | carols | hiddenpearls: yes. |
| 15:40.17 | |Kev| | OPeNDAP|ndp: Yes, if you requeue you'll keep your place (I think!) |
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| 15:40.25 | AmineKhaldi | queue ? |
| 15:40.28 | mikhas | carols, the info that one feedback session will soon take place would have sufficed |
| 15:40.41 | OPeNDAP|ndp | And do I requeue by just running the queue command again? |
| 15:40.42 | carols | mikhas: indeed. something to keep in mind for next year. |
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| 15:40.50 | carols | always improving. |
| 15:40.52 | |Kev| | OPeNDAP|ndp: You may want to check with kai_andy, but yes. |
| 15:40.59 | mikhas | understood |
| 15:41.13 | hiddenpearls | carols, I had sent u direct emails about goodies for GSoC meetup. but I didn't get any further response from u :( |
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| 15:41.21 | hiddenpearls | carols, is everything ok ? |
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| 15:41.29 | carols | hiddenpearls: yeah, i've had all of this going on :-) haven't really had time for much else. |
| 15:41.38 | carols | hiddenpearls: ok? yes, but i'm busy :-) |
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| 15:42.04 | mlankhorst | hiddenpearls: every year there will be many more emails than she can reply to directly, so just as long as you read announce mails you should have most of the info you need |
| 15:42.05 | carols | hiddenpearls: you're welcome to run your info session withou schwa, of course. |
| 15:42.07 | opentreemap|deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.17 | carols | it's not a requirement that you have schwag in order to talk about gsoc. |
| 15:42.26 | prism | Hi, can I queue for the feedback session ? |
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| 15:42.33 | carols | prism: check out the topic. |
| 15:42.35 | |Kev| | prism: See /topic |
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| 15:42.37 | OPeNDAP|ndp | kai_andy: How do I requeue w/out dropping my position? |
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| 15:43.19 | hiddenpearls | carols, its ok but |
| 15:43.34 | AmineKhaldi | carols: sorry, I queued ros twice by accident (one from here and one from my other nick) |
| 15:43.45 | AmineKhaldi | how can I correct this ? |
| 15:43.47 | carols | AmineKhaldi: alright, well, we'll talk to you the first time and not the second. |
| 15:43.49 | carols | how's that? |
| 15:43.54 | AmineKhaldi | :) |
| 15:44.07 | carols | we'll sit in silence for one minute the second time around. |
| 15:44.10 | Lennie | carols, is there a meeting going on? |
| 15:44.17 | carols | Lennie: there will be in about 15 minutes. |
| 15:44.20 | Lennie | (Just dropped in) |
| 15:44.23 | carols | right now we're just chatting. |
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| 15:44.29 | ffmpeg|compn | carols : good way to get in a break or two :) |
| 15:44.32 | hiddenpearls | carols, I had said the administration that there will be goodies and then we will run infosession/meetup |
| 15:44.34 | Lennie | carols, is this the one for orgs that got declined? |
| 15:44.35 | racket|samth | carols: is it possible for more than one person to participate in the rejected orgs session for a project? |
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| 15:45.00 | carols | hiddenpearls: well, i am the administration and i haven't had the time for it. so you can wait or you can do it without schwag. up to you, really :-) |
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| 15:45.22 | carols | racket|samth: yes, we'll just need to give voice to both people, so please ask kai_andy for it when your place in the queue comes up |
| 15:45.24 | carols | Lennie: yes |
| 15:45.33 | racket|samth | carols: thanks |
| 15:45.35 | Lennie | carols, thanks and good luck |
| 15:45.45 | carols | you're welcome. |
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| 15:46.00 | mlankhorst | or any op reallly |
| 15:46.03 | hiddenpearls | carols, ok thanks |
| 15:46.19 | AmineKhaldi | ah, mlankhorst ! :) |
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| 15:46.41 | kblin | ok, there we are |
| 15:46.59 | carols | kblin: i think we should quiet this room up in a couple minutes :-) |
| 15:46.59 | kblin | OPeNDAP|ndp: just run queue again with your updated info |
| 15:47.04 | |Kev| | kblin: Congratulations. I hope you and your keyboard will be very happy together :) |
| 15:47.36 | kblin | wordpress|jane: if you rerun the queue command, you can update the description and won't lose your place in the queue |
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| 15:47.51 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Please excuse me repeating this question but I have not received answer. I understand it is required that I requeue with the project ideas URL for our rejected organizational bid. How do I do that? Can I do it without loosing my position in the queue? |
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| 15:48.10 | carols | OPeNDAP|ndp: if you rerun the queue command, you can update the description and won't lose your place in the queue |
| 15:48.12 | |Kev| | OPeNDAP|ndp: Kai's just answered that twice. Just run the same queue command. |
| 15:48.42 | kblin | of course if you changed nicks in the meantime, you'll get a new entry |
| 15:48.44 | carols | besides, i will speak to every one of you who wants feedback. |
| 15:48.48 | carols | i plan to be here all day. |
| 15:48.54 | kblin | gsocbot doesn't track nick changes |
| 15:48.57 | carols | so it's really no matter if you're int he queue later. |
| 15:49.01 | aliq | will this be public? i hope so, guess one can learn a lot from that... |
| 15:49.02 | allman | Yay Carol! |
| 15:49.03 | wordpress|jane | !queue WordPress http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=GSoC2012&oldid=114656 |
| 15:49.03 | gsocbot | wordpress|jane: I queued you at position 31 in the queue |
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| 15:49.08 | kblin | in that case, we'll just figure it out later |
| 15:49.08 | |Kev| | Although you could change nick back, requeue, and then change to the right nick. |
| 15:49.11 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Sorry for the repost. 1) Answers came while typing. 2) This is a very chatty environment - hard to parse |
| 15:49.16 | AmineKhaldi | carols: thank you very much for that |
| 15:49.19 | wordpress|jane | gah! i was 15 before, now i am 31 |
| 15:49.23 | mikhas | aliq, it will also be a bit awkward |
| 15:49.24 | carols | allman: this channel is logged, is that what you mean? |
| 15:49.28 | kblin | wordpress|jane: did you change nicks? |
| 15:49.35 | mikhas | cant be brutally honest on a public, logged channel |
| 15:49.42 | wordpress|jane | sigh, yes, to adhere to org name first |
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| 15:49.46 | tcl_aku | !queue tcl http://wiki.tcl.tk/28789 |
| 15:49.46 | gsocbot | tcl_aku: I queued you at position 32 in the queue |
| 15:49.56 | allman | carols - no, just applauding you being on IRC all day - you rule! |
| 15:50.02 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 15:50.14 | |Kev| | wordpress|jane: You can always just say "Real URL should be.." when your time comes. |
| 15:50.15 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | ?queue |
| 15:50.20 | kblin | wordpress|jane: ok, so you can either change back the nick quickly, or we'll just figure it out |
| 15:50.32 | wordpress|jane | |Kev|: that's what i was going to do originally |
| 15:50.39 | kblin | you can list the whole queue using !showqueue |
| 15:50.44 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Just for the record - I got bumped from #3 in the queue to #33 when I tried to requeue with the new URL |
| 15:50.56 | carols | OPeNDAP|ndp: you'll still get feedback, don't worry. |
| 15:50.59 | TYPO3|etobi | !showqueue |
| 15:51.00 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by kblin |
| 15:51.02 | carols | everyone will get feedback who asks for it. |
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| 15:51.10 | mlankhorst | :) |
| 15:51.14 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v gsocbot] by kblin |
| 15:51.24 | carols | ok, this room is now moderated |
| 15:51.28 | carols | and a lot less noisy :-) |
| 15:51.39 | carols | if you are here for the rejected orgs session, please check out the topic. |
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| 15:51.45 | carols | we'll start in about 10 minutes. |
| 15:51.50 | carols | thanks everyone for coming. |
| 15:52.04 | carols | and don't worry about your place in the queue, i will be here as long as it takes to get through everyone. |
| 15:52.15 | carols | you will get feedback if you asked for it. |
| 15:52.24 | carols | serves some tea while we wait |
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| 15:54.24 | kblin | note that if you want to send commands to the bot, you can always do so in a query |
| 15:54.33 | kblin | just leave out the ! on the commands |
| 15:55.21 | carols | 5 minutes to go |
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| 15:59.07 | carols | thanks again to everyone for coming. we'll be starting in about 2 minutes with the rejected orgs session. |
| 15:59.20 | carols | if you're not here for that session, you might want to come back to this channel in a few hours :-) |
| 15:59.33 | carols | please check out the topic if you are here for that session. |
| 16:00.02 | carols | please speak to kblin for getting your voice and about bot or queue questions. |
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| 16:00.40 | carols | okay, i'm going to start in about 1 minute. |
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| 16:02.11 | carols | ======Begin IRC Feedback Session for Rejected GSoC Organizations 2012======= |
| 16:02.13 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 16:02.13 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is ries with notice 'librecad http://librecad.org' |
| 16:02.17 | carols | thank you everyone for coming. |
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| 16:02.31 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v ries] by kblin |
| 16:02.43 | carols | firstly, if you're here for the rejected orgs session and have no idea what's going on, please check the topic or speak to kblin. |
| 16:03.06 | carols | secondly, i'm sorry we couldn't accept all of you. as with every year, we had a limited number of spaces and more orgs than we could accept. |
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| 16:03.15 | kblin | I'll be replying to your queries momentarily |
| 16:03.27 | carols | thirdly, we worked again very hard this year at accepting a lot of new organizations. |
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| 16:03.51 | carols | unfortunately this meant we had to reject some orgs that had participated in years past. in some cases organizations that have participated in many years in the past. |
| 16:04.24 | carols | we encourage you all to try again next year and to understand that this is just the way gsoc works sometimes: we're always trying to get new people into the community and new experiences for the students. |
| 16:04.50 | carols | so with that, please make sure you know where your ideas page is for when you're called on and i will reference your application in melange myself. |
| 16:04.57 | carols | kblin: can we have the first contestant? |
| 16:04.59 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v librecad|showard] by kblin |
| 16:05.04 | librecad|showard | thanks |
| 16:05.09 | carols | hi librecad|showard |
| 16:05.11 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v ries] by kblin |
| 16:05.18 | carols | let me pull up your app. |
| 16:05.49 | librecad|showard | idea page: http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/GSoC_2012 |
| 16:05.53 | carols | librecad|showard: thank you. |
| 16:06.10 | carols | alright, so i'm looking at our feedback on your org. we *loved* your ideas page. |
| 16:06.21 | carols | thought it was really well done and organized. |
| 16:07.05 | carols | looks like we liked the application as a whole, as well. unfortunately this was a tough decision for us. |
| 16:07.15 | carols | looks like you made it to the final round, but we were constrained on space. |
| 16:07.43 | carols | i would really encourage you to apply again next year. we had to make a tough call here, unfortunately. |
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| 16:07.59 | librecad|showard | ah, understood - we appreciate we got that far. hopefully next year tehn |
| 16:08.00 | carols | please keep the ideas page in a similar format :-) |
| 16:08.06 | carols | yeah, i'm sorry. :-( |
| 16:08.27 | librecad|showard | thanks for consideration and for the gsoc program |
| 16:08.35 | carols | of course. |
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| 16:08.52 | carols | kblin: our next contestant? |
| 16:08.56 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 16:08.56 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is stefanha with notice 'qemu http://wiki.qemu.org/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012' |
| 16:09.04 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v qemu|stefanha] by kblin |
| 16:09.09 | carols | hi qemu|stefanha |
| 16:09.11 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v librecad|showard] by kblin |
| 16:09.13 | qemu|stefanha | hi carols |
| 16:09.23 | carols | let me check out your application. |
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| 16:10.28 | carols | so it looks like you guys have done well in the past and had a strong application this year. |
| 16:10.43 | carols | unfortunately this was a case of us making some space for some new orgs this year. |
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| 16:10.56 | qemu|stefanha | carols: What are you looking for in the orgs that do make the final cut? |
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| 16:11.50 | carols | qemu|stefanha: we didn't set out with specific criteria, we were mixing it up some. we accepted 41 new orgs, and unfortunately that meant that some orgs that had participated in the past didn't make it this year. |
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| 16:12.09 | qemu|stefanha | carols: I understand. Were the orgs that got cut out this year random? |
| 16:12.15 | qemu|stefanha | Or is there something we can do to improve? |
| 16:12.56 | carols | qemu|stefanha: I'm looking at your ideas page, and in some cases i would suggest improvement there , but in your case i actually think you did a good job with it. |
| 16:13.17 | carols | i would say again this was simply a matter of making some space for other orgs, and i think your application as a whole was strong. |
| 16:13.38 | carols | i'm sorry my answer probably isn't very satisfying. |
| 16:13.47 | carols | please do try again next year. |
| 16:13.52 | qemu|stefanha | carols: We'll definitely try again next year because past gsocs have been great :) |
| 16:13.57 | qemu|stefanha | Thanks for considering QEMU.org |
| 16:13.58 | carols | thanks so much :-) |
| 16:14.00 | carols | of course. |
| 16:14.11 | carols | kblin: next please? |
| 16:14.11 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 16:14.12 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is ndp_opendap with notice 'OPeNDAP http://www.opendap.org' |
| 16:14.17 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v OPeNDAP|ndp] by kblin |
| 16:14.20 | carols | hello OPeNDAP|ndp |
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| 16:14.24 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Greetings: http://docs.opendap.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012_Ideas |
| 16:14.26 | *** mode/#gsoc [-v qemu|stefanha] by kblin |
| 16:14.32 | OPeNDAP|ndp | There's the ideas page |
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| 16:14.50 | carols | hi OPeNDAP|ndp |
| 16:14.55 | carols | already said that :-P |
| 16:14.58 | carols | looking over your ideas page now |
| 16:14.59 | OPeNDAP|ndp | :) |
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| 16:15.22 | carols | alright, so in this case we would have liked a bit more "meat" on the ideas page. |
| 16:15.30 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Ok... |
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| 16:15.52 | OPeNDAP|ndp | The ideas are links to their own pages. Is that a formatting problem? Or are the details pages too light also? |
| 16:16.03 | carols | it's really a matter of the quantity. |
| 16:16.08 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Ahhh |
| 16:16.10 | OPeNDAP|ndp | ok |
| 16:16.13 | OPeNDAP|ndp | more ideas. |
| 16:16.17 | carols | i realize it may be the case that you only have a few things that students can work on |
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| 16:16.25 | carols | but we're expecting a bit more from your community and your mentors. |
| 16:16.40 | carols | the detail on the ideas themselves is fine. |
| 16:16.58 | carols | it's a variety of ideas for a bunch of students that we want to be available :-) |
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| 16:17.10 | carols | let me take a quick look at the application as well to see if i have anything else. |
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| 16:17.41 | carols | ah, i see you also didn't really answer how you planned to deal with disappearing mentors |
| 16:17.47 | OPeNDAP|ndp | So you're looking for a broader spread of possible activities for the students? Like ten ideas? 20? |
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| 16:18.03 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Dissappearing Mentors? |
| 16:18.13 | carols | OPeNDAP|ndp: 10 would be fine if you're a small community. 20 is fine too. it's really the fact that we want a lot of variety available to the students. |
| 16:18.29 | carols | OPeNDAP|ndp: yes, on your application. the question about how you plan to deal with disappearing mentors. |
| 16:18.37 | carols | you said it was very unlikely. |
| 16:18.56 | carols | unfortunately we really want you to have a plan in place regardless of how likely it is. |
| 16:19.06 | carols | so those are the two things for next year/ |
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| 16:19.14 | carols | hope that helps. |
| 16:19.17 | OPeNDAP|ndp | I'm sorry I I guess I missed that question. The fact is that in our Org the Mentors we have are all working for OPenDAP so we won't disappear unless the group goes under. |
| 16:19.38 | carols | OPeNDAP|ndp: yes, but what if someone gets hit by a bus, as terrible as it sounds. |
| 16:19.39 | OPeNDAP|ndp | Which means we're all looking for new work at that point... |
| 16:19.44 | OPeNDAP|ndp | right |
| 16:19.50 | carols | we want to know what will happen to the student being mentored by that mentor. |
| 16:19.52 | carols | that sort of thing. |
| 16:20.04 | OPeNDAP|ndp | I did not answer the question? Like I said - I must have missed it. |
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| 16:20.16 | OPeNDAP|ndp | thanks. |
| 16:20.20 | carols | "This is very unlikely. Most of our mentors are funded by soft-money grants to work for us!" |
| 16:20.30 | OPeNDAP|ndp | So Should we bother to return i the future? |
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| 16:20.42 | carols | i would absolutely encourage you to apply again next year. |
| 16:20.54 | carols | just take those two items into stronger consideration :-) |
| 16:20.55 | OPeNDAP|ndp | ok |
| 16:21.02 | carols | thanks for your previous participation. |
| 16:21.06 | carols | we appreciate it. |
| 16:21.20 | OPeNDAP|ndp | thanks Carols |
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| 16:21.24 | carols | yw. |
| 16:21.29 | carols | kblin: next? |
| 16:21.30 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 16:21.30 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is neverpanic with notice 'macports http://trac.macports.org/wiki/SummerOfCode' |
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| 16:21.54 | macports|nvrpnc | Hi carols, thanks for having us. |
| 16:21.55 | carols | hi macports|snc and macports folks |
| 16:22.00 | carols | let me check out your app. |
| 16:22.02 | macports|snc | hi |
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| 16:23.00 | carols | man, i have to give out this feedback a lot today, it seems: we really liked your ideas page and your application. |
| 16:23.11 | carols | this again was a matter of having to make some room for new orgs this year. |
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| 16:23.24 | carols | we really appreciate your work with gsoc in the past. |
| 16:23.44 | macports|snc | cool, thanks carols |
| 16:23.46 | macports|snc | we enjoy participating—thanks for keeping the program going |
| 16:23.48 | carols | you did a great job with your ideas page in particular. |
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| 16:23.59 | carols | i'm sorry it isn't really helpful feedback :-/ |
| 16:24.04 | carols | please do try again next year. |
| 16:24.09 | macports|snc | definitely. see you then! |
| 16:24.10 | macports|nvrpnc | Is there anything we could improve? Always looking for places to work on... |
| 16:24.28 | carols | this looks like a really strong application to me. |
| 16:24.37 | carols | please keep the quality the same and try again next year |
| 16:24.44 | carols | we are just making way for new orgs. |
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| 16:25.08 | carols | sorry it's not a more satisfying answer. |
| 16:25.11 | macports|nvrpnc | ok, thanks for the possibilty to participate in the last years then (I myself had the chance to take part :)) |
| 16:25.17 | carols | of course. |
| 16:25.19 | carols | have a great summer :-) |
| 16:25.22 | macports|nvrpnc | and good luck with this year's GSoC |
| 16:25.26 | carols | thank you. |
| 16:25.28 | carols | ill need it ;-) |
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| 16:25.36 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 16:25.36 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is deshantm_ with notice 'Xen.org http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Archived/GSoC_2012_Ideas' |
| 16:25.41 | carols | thanks kblin |
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| 16:25.56 | xen|deshantm | thanks kblin |
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| 16:26.04 | xen|lars_kurth | thanks kblin |
| 16:26.10 | xen|deshantm | hi carols |
| 16:26.11 | carols | hey xen|deshantm and xen folks |
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| 16:26.29 | carols | so firstly, your ideas page could have used a little work this year. |
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| 16:27.01 | xen|deshantm | carols: quanity or quality issues? |
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| 16:27.12 | carols | the amount of ideas is nice, but i would have liked more information on each of them. |
| 16:27.12 | xen|lars_kurth | We were a little late: so the message is to have the ideas page ready when we apply |
| 16:27.21 | carols | yeah, definitely. |
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| 16:28.02 | xen|lars_kurth | We had a lot of stuff prepared, just not agreed it and decided to not yet publish |
| 16:28.14 | carols | alright, well, maybe that was part of the problem this year :-( |
| 16:28.16 | xen|lars_kurth | In future the advice is to do all this before the application of the mentor org? |
| 16:28.25 | carols | yeah, i would highly recommend it. |
| 16:28.30 | xen|deshantm | carols: we can put up more ideas and more details for next year |
| 16:28.47 | carols | especially for a returning org that we don't focus so much on your answers to each question on the application, the ideas page really stands out to us. |
| 16:28.55 | carols | and if it's not very fleshed out... |
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| 16:28.59 | xen|lars_kurth | OK! |
| 16:29.15 | carols | i would encourage you to try again next year for sure. |
| 16:29.19 | xen|lars_kurth | Any other stuff on the application? |
| 16:29.28 | xen|lars_kurth | feedback I meant |
| 16:29.28 | carols | let me take another look. |
| 16:30.11 | carols | no, i'm ok with the rest of the application as a whole. it's really the ideas page that kind of turned it for you. |
| 16:30.20 | carols | i hope you'll try again. |
| 16:30.28 | xen|lars_kurth | OK: we will definitely do better next year! |
| 16:30.32 | carols | and thank you for your participation in the past |
| 16:30.33 | xen|deshantm | thanks for considering xen.org |
| 16:30.36 | carols | of course. |
| 16:30.39 | xen|deshantm | thanks carols |
| 16:30.39 | xen|lars_kurth | Good luck with the program |
| 16:30.40 | carols | have a great summer. |
| 16:30.43 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 16:31.23 | carols | kblin: next? :-) |
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| 16:31.40 | carols | hey typo3 folks |
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| 16:31.43 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | Hi Carol |
| 16:31.44 | TYPO3|etobi | Hej carols |
| 16:31.46 | TYPO3|foertel | hey |
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| 16:31.54 | carols | let me pull up your application. |
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| 16:32.42 | carols | this one is again one that turned on the ideas page. |
| 16:33.03 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | anything in particular? |
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| 16:33.05 | TYPO3|etobi | hmm.. okay.. what do you think we could improve? |
| 16:33.14 | carols | i think we were expecting a wider range of ideas to start. more overall. |
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| 16:33.28 | carols | and a couple of the ideas didn't really seem fleshed-out enough. |
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| 16:33.41 | carols | they sort of seemed like notes that would get filled in later |
| 16:34.00 | carols | i would like to see the languages for all the ideas, possible mentors, and an extensive description of the idea for each one. |
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| 16:34.22 | carols | i know your org has participated in the past, but we expect high quality ideas pages every year :-) |
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| 16:34.48 | carols | I'm looking at the application, and your answers to the questions are strong. |
| 16:35.03 | carols | so really, please firm up the ideas page for next year and i encourage you to try again. |
| 16:35.06 | TYPO3|etobi | we tried to keep some ideas rough and open for student's suggestions |
| 16:35.14 | carols | i understand. |
| 16:35.15 | TYPO3|etobi | We'll definitely apply again next year |
| 16:35.20 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | +1 |
| 16:35.30 | carols | what i would recommend is you have a separate "your idea here" idea |
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| 16:35.36 | carols | and then the rest are very well-defined ones |
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| 16:35.57 | carols | yes, please do try again next year. |
| 16:36.07 | carols | we appreciate your participation in the past, for sure |
| 16:36.27 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | we had a form down there for the student ideas |
| 16:36.33 | TYPO3|etobi | we definitly need to start to collect our ideas earlier for the next year to have more time |
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| 16:36.40 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | we're planning to do a summer on our own though |
| 16:36.49 | carols | right, so i would say just make the ones that you've defined stronger and have more of them :-) |
| 16:36.52 | carols | oh great! |
| 16:36.55 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | is there a way we can get this out through GSoC some way maybe? |
| 16:36.55 | carols | I'm glad to hear it. |
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| 16:37.09 | carols | TYPO3|IngoRenner: please email me directly and we'll discuss. |
| 16:37.13 | carols | maybe. |
| 16:37.15 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | will do! |
| 16:37.18 | carols | no promises |
| 16:37.20 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 16:37.26 | TYPO3|IngoRenner | thanks Carol! |
| 16:37.26 | carols | have a good summer! |
| 16:37.29 | TYPO3|etobi | Thanks for your feedback. Appreciate that a lot. |
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| 16:37.34 | carols | of course. |
| 16:37.37 | carols | thanks for coming. |
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| 16:38.00 | carols | hi ffmpeg folks |
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| 16:38.27 | ffmpeg|ubitux | hi :) |
| 16:38.29 | ffmpeg|beastd | hi carols |
| 16:38.32 | ffmpeg|saste | hi carols, hi all, thanks for organizing this session |
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| 16:38.40 | carols | of course. let me check out your app, just a sec. |
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| 16:39.44 | carols | so the ideas page looks ok to me, although some of the ideas could have been a little more fleshed out. |
| 16:39.48 | carols | but it's alright. |
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| 16:40.24 | carols | i would have liked a more thought-out answer about disappearing mentors on your app, actually. |
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| 16:40.44 | ffmpeg|saste | we were tight with time, and i believe we should suit the task to each student, so some tasks were deliberately not very well specified |
| 16:41.08 | carols | yeah, i understand. mostly this was a matter of making some room for new orgs. |
| 16:41.44 | carols | i think you could slightly improve a couple things for next year, but overall, this was just not enough space |
| 16:42.04 | ffmpeg|ubitux | kblin: i think you forgot to voice the maintainer of the project |
| 16:42.17 | kblin | whoops, who is that? |
| 16:42.22 | ffmpeg|ubitux | ffmpeg|michaelni |
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| 16:42.36 | ffmpeg|ubitux | thank you :) |
| 16:42.36 | kblin | sorry, there's so many of you folks |
| 16:42.40 | ffmpeg|saste | nothing more specific? |
| 16:42.48 | carols | yeah, i know it's not very satisfying. |
| 16:42.51 | ffmpeg|saste | is just something related to the application? |
| 16:43.01 | carols | we really are just trying to make space for new orgs this year. |
| 16:43.01 | ffmpeg|saste | what can we do to improve our chances the next year? |
| 16:43.22 | carols | spend even more time fleshing out ideas on your ideas page and try again :-) |
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| 16:43.29 | carols | everyone has even chances every year. |
| 16:43.34 | carols | no one any more than anyone else. |
| 16:43.43 | ffmpeg|ubitux | may i ask why libav got in but not ffmpeg? |
| 16:43.49 | ffmpeg|ubitux | what are we lacking here? |
| 16:44.12 | carols | libav probably got in on the strength of their ideas page and application. |
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| 16:44.31 | ffmpeg|beastd | i don't think they differ in quality |
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| 16:44.53 | carols | alright, well, i'm sorry you weren't accepted this year. |
| 16:44.58 | carols | please try again next year. |
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| 16:45.05 | carols | and thank you for your participation in the past! |
| 16:45.12 | carols | we really appreciate it. |
| 16:45.27 | ffmpeg|beastd | so nothing we did wrong particular? |
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| 16:46.03 | carols | ffmpeg|beastd: well, as i said, i would have liked the ideas page slightly more fleshed out. but mostly this was a matter of us wanting to accept a lot of new orgs and only having space for so many. |
| 16:46.11 | carols | so a lot of returning orgs were rejected this year. |
| 16:46.23 | carols | it's the way gsoc works, unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it. |
| 16:46.52 | carols | i hope you will try again next year. |
| 16:46.53 | ffmpeg|beastd | well it is hard to look at. but we will try again ;) |
| 16:46.57 | carols | grea :-) |
| 16:46.59 | ffmpeg|saste | carols: we'll try next year, we'll try to do better with task definition and appllication |
| 16:47.00 | carols | great, even |
| 16:47.04 | carols | thank you. |
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| 16:47.25 | Octave|JordiGH | :-) |
| 16:47.26 | carols | hi octave folks |
| 16:47.39 | Octave|KaKila | Hi there |
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| 16:47.44 | Octave|JordiGH | Our lead dev isn't here. He's got family business. |
| 16:47.47 | Octave|JordiGH | We'll show him the log later. |
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| 16:48.08 | carols | ah, ok. so i spoke to the gnu project folks and they said they'd be able to take you on in an umbrella situation. |
| 16:48.10 | carols | is that the case? |
| 16:48.13 | carols | i hope so :-) |
| 16:48.20 | Octave|JordiGH | Yeah, GNU and us are tight. |
| 16:48.25 | Octave|JordiGH | Is that mostly the reason? |
| 16:48.30 | carols | since we only had a certain number of slots, yes |
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| 16:48.42 | carols | we want you to be part of the gnu project umbrella |
| 16:48.55 | Octave|JordiGH | Did our application look good otherwise? We might try to declare independence again next year. |
| 16:49.02 | carols | let me take a look |
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| 16:49.59 | carols | yes, i like your ideas page and how it's organized. |
| 16:50.06 | carols | and i like the application. |
| 16:50.16 | carols | we had a lot of space discussions this year for all of our orgs. |
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| 16:50.38 | carols | and this was one of the discussions where we didn't have room for each individual org but still wanted to give you the opportunity to mentor students. |
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| 16:51.03 | Octave|JordiGH | I see. So in the future, should we try again to submit an application or keep working under GNU? |
| 16:51.20 | carols | i think you can apply again individually next year with a similarly strong application. |
| 16:51.30 | carols | every year is a different organization juggling act. |
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| 16:51.53 | carols | this year it went to you all participating under gnu project, next year who knows. |
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| 16:52.00 | Octave|JordiGH | There's one more thing. One of our former lead devs, 3rd guy historically most active, now works for Google. I should have mentioned him in the part where a Googler vouches for us, right? |
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| 16:52.42 | carols | Octave|JordiGH: in your case it wouldn't have made much difference with the googled vouching as this was a space issue, not a matter of us not being sure about your organization as a whole. |
| 16:52.49 | carols | googler, not googled |
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| 16:53.07 | carols | we use the vouching system for those orgs we don't know that well. |
| 16:53.22 | carols | this was a case of us just having to make tough calls about numbers. |
| 16:53.36 | carols | so i encourage you to try again next year. |
| 16:53.37 | Octave|JordiGH | Alright. Now I take this a lot less personally than I did when I first got the rejection notice. Kidding, I know it's not personal, but R supposedly is also GNU and they're independent... I know it's not really a competition, but... y'know... :-) |
| 16:53.53 | carols | it's not a competition and it's not personal, i assure you. |
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| 16:54.04 | carols | every rejection breaks my heart every year. |
| 16:54.07 | Octave|JordiGH | Okay, thanks. Octave|KaKila, want to add anything? |
| 16:54.35 | Octave|KaKila | Octave|JordiGH: carols, no it is fine. Thank carols for your time. |
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| 16:54.41 | carols | thank you all for coming. |
| 16:54.47 | carols | hi jitsi folks |
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| 16:54.52 | jitsi_emcho | hey carols |
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| 16:54.56 | jitsi_emcho | thanks for the info session! |
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| 16:55.31 | jitsi_yana | hey carols |
| 16:55.40 | carols | boy, i am doing this a lot today. |
| 16:55.44 | carols | we loved your ideas page |
| 16:55.47 | carols | and your application. |
| 16:55.52 | jitsi_emcho | thanks! |
| 16:55.58 | carols | and you have been great in the past. |
| 16:56.41 | carols | i'm sorry, this really isn't going to be helpful, but we really just needed space for new orgs this year |
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| 16:56.53 | jitsi_emcho | we understand :). |
| 16:56.54 | carols | we really appreciate your participation in the past. |
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| 16:57.10 | jitsi_emcho | should we maybe wait one extra year or is it ok to apply again next year? |
| 16:57.11 | carols | please do try again next year with the same strong ideas page and application. |
| 16:57.25 | carols | it's fine to try again next year. |
| 16:57.29 | jitsi_emcho | ok will definitely do! |
| 16:57.32 | carols | this was a tough call. |
| 16:57.47 | carols | as i said, every rejection breaks my heart. |
| 16:57.52 | jitsi_emcho | thanks a lot for the feedback then! it feels better to know we didn't do anything wrong! :) |
| 16:58.03 | carols | please have a great summer anyway :-) |
| 16:58.07 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 16:58.07 | jitsi_emcho | Have a great summer! and good luck with the project! |
| 16:58.07 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is Michitux with notice 'dokuwiki http://www.dokuwiki.org/devel:gsoc?rev=1331246245#ideas' |
| 16:58.14 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 16:58.25 | carols | hi dokuwiki folks |
| 16:58.26 | jitsi_emcho | (meant program sorry) |
| 16:58.27 | DokuWiki|Michitu | hi carols |
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| 16:58.36 | DokuWiki|Anika | smiles and waves silently at carols |
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| 16:58.45 | carols | let me check out your app, just a sec. |
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| 16:59.33 | carols | so i appreciated your ideas page, but would have liked a few more ideas and information on each idea for the students. |
| 16:59.52 | carols | i know you can drill down on them, but overall more info would have been helpful. |
| 17:00.06 | carols | and more possible ideas overall. |
| 17:00.14 | DokuWiki|Michitu | okay, anything else we could improve? |
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| 17:01.03 | carols | i know you participated last year, but i would have liked a more extensive, thought out answer about disappearing mentors too. |
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| 17:01.22 | carols | i'm sure you could handle it if it happened, but it's really something important to us to see you've got a plan for. |
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| 17:01.55 | carols | those are the two main things i see. |
| 17:02.17 | carols | so even though neither one was a deal breaker, in tandem with our space issues this year, unfortunately the choosing didn't go in your favor. :-/ |
| 17:02.31 | DokuWiki|Michitu | okay, I think we answered just the same as last year but we will make a better plan for it next time |
| 17:02.49 | carols | thank you. please do try again next year. |
| 17:02.57 | carols | every year we reassess every org. |
| 17:03.12 | carols | and thank you for participating last year! |
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| 17:03.25 | DokuWiki|Michitu | okay, thank you for the feedback and also for the possibility to participate last year |
| 17:03.35 | carols | of course. |
| 17:03.37 | carols | thanks again |
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| 17:03.39 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is stefanha_qemu |
| 17:03.49 | kblin | ah, had that one already |
| 17:03.49 | mlankhorst | we already did qemu right? |
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| 17:03.55 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is stumm with notice 'astrometry.net http://trac.astrometry.net/wiki/GSOC2012' |
| 17:04.03 | carols | hi astrometry folks |
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| 17:04.16 | astrometry|stumm | hi |
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| 17:04.26 | astrometry|stumm | i'm filling in for the others who couldn't make it today |
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| 17:04.51 | carols | astrometry|stumm: so your ideas page was really disappointing this year. :-( |
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| 17:05.23 | carols | i know you have a bunch listed under "coding projects", but they're not organized with skill level, language, mentors, anything like that. |
| 17:05.26 | astrometry|stumm | (I wasn't involved with the application this year) but i saw that as well :( |
| 17:05.35 | carols | and the landing page for the ideas page is really sparce. |
| 17:05.41 | carols | students would probably struggle with it. |
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| 17:06.22 | carols | the application questions were also a little sparse too, not very well fleshed out. |
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| 17:07.00 | carols | i know you participated last year, but every org has to work hard at their application every year. |
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| 17:07.14 | carols | i hope that helps. |
| 17:07.16 | astrometry|stumm | i understand. i'll pass that feedback along |
| 17:07.20 | carols | i encourage you to try again next year! |
| 17:07.23 | astrometry|stumm | it's very helpful |
| 17:07.28 | astrometry|stumm | and i expect we'll apply again |
| 17:07.34 | carols | great, glad to hear it :-) |
| 17:07.35 | astrometry|stumm | thanks again for the opportunity last year :) |
| 17:07.42 | kblin | for anybody here wondering about the current state of the queue (I get asked alot), /msg gsocbot showqueue to see the next 10 positions |
| 17:07.46 | carols | of course. |
| 17:07.54 | carols | have a great summer. |
| 17:07.58 | kblin | !nextinline |
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| 17:08.09 | astrometry|stumm | you too |
| 17:08.11 | astrometry|stumm | thanks again |
| 17:08.13 | carols | :-) |
| 17:08.15 | kblin | hmm |
| 17:08.16 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 17:08.24 | carols | kblin: queue out of order? |
| 17:08.29 | Lennie | kblin, it's being overrun with showqueue commands |
| 17:08.35 | Lennie | just to keep it from spamming it's throttling replies |
| 17:08.39 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is marcj with notice 'coreboot http://www.coreboot.org/Project_Ideas' |
| 17:08.39 | kblin | I think a lot of people DDoSing it with showqueue |
| 17:08.41 | Lennie | :) |
| 17:08.46 | Lennie | there we go |
| 17:08.50 | carols | hi coreboot folks |
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| 17:09.27 | coreboot|marcj | Hi carols |
| 17:09.33 | coreboot|Stepan | Thanks! Hi Carol |
| 17:09.34 | coreboot|marcj | Our project ideas page: http://www.coreboot.org/Project_Ideas there is also a page dedicated to flashrom ideas: http://www.flashrom.org/GSoC Both are linked on our GSoC landing page: http://www.coreboot.org/index.php?title=GSoC&oldid=11056 |
| 17:09.57 | carols | yeah, i think the ideas page was an issue here for you. |
| 17:10.23 | carols | you have ideas on there with a space for a mentor and no one listed, ideas that are just one sentence and not really described, etc. |
| 17:10.37 | carols | one idea with question marks for links and a mentor. |
| 17:10.54 | carols | i actually liked your application overall |
| 17:10.56 | coreboot|marcj | ok, I agree that we hadn't completed cleanup of it by application time. |
| 17:11.00 | carols | but the ideas page kind of did you in. |
| 17:11.21 | carols | we really want the ideas page to be in top working order for the students. |
| 17:11.40 | carols | we want them to have a good experience when they first come see your org. |
| 17:11.46 | carols | and the ideas page is how they do that. |
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| 17:12.01 | carols | we really appreciate your participation in the past! |
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| 17:12.11 | carols | i hope you'll try again next year with a stronger ideas page. |
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| 17:12.29 | coreboot|Stepan | we will. :) |
| 17:12.32 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 17:12.37 | carols | hope you have a great summer |
| 17:12.42 | coreboot|marcj | yes, we will work on that for next year. |
| 17:12.46 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 17:12.47 | coreboot|marcj | thanks. |
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| 17:12.55 | carols | thank you. |
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| 17:13.02 | kblin | aw, the poor bot :) |
| 17:13.11 | carols | it's tired. |
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| 17:13.26 | kblin | but looking at my log of the queue... |
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| 17:13.32 | carols | serves the bot some coffee |
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| 17:13.44 | Jane__ | hi carols. here's the ideas page as it stood when app deadline hit: http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=GSoC2012&oldid=114656 |
| 17:13.53 | carols | thanks Jane__ |
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| 17:13.59 | carols | let me go look at your app. |
| 17:14.01 | carols | just a sec. |
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| 17:14.25 | Jane__ | no rush. to keep things moving along, i pre-typed anything i could think of that i might want to say. :) |
| 17:14.26 | kblin | ok, I've changed my mind. everybody please stop hitting gsocbot with showqueue commadns now.. :) |
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| 17:15.29 | carols | so the ideas page looks ok for your org, although i would have liked it to have some info on language for each project, possible mentors, and difficulty level. |
| 17:15.42 | carols | and some of the ideas are a little sparse. |
| 17:15.46 | carols | but overall, it's ok. |
| 17:15.50 | Jane__ | based on our email correspondence, i had just gotten the entire dev/contributor group to agree to do an entire summer release cycle around gsoc projects, so no contributing dev would have had to split time between mentoring and separate feature development, and everyone would be a mentor. (I think that would have been really cool.) |
| 17:15.56 | Jane__ | Had removed some of our less interesting projects from the ideas page and the previous mentor list, but not yet added the dev cycle projects/tickets/contribs list since we just got the okay right at deadline, so Ideas page was still just showing the remaining standalone projects. oh well. |
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| 17:16.17 | carols | mostly this was another numbers issue, overall. combined with a less than ideal ideas page, well... |
| 17:16.26 | carols | we had to make a lot of tough call.s |
| 17:16.28 | carols | calls |
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| 17:16.43 | carols | i hope you'll try again next year. |
| 17:16.51 | Jane__ | it's actually the same one from last year, jut with some things removed bc i was about to replace with new info based on the emails |
| 17:16.53 | Jane__ | We might try to do a summer mentorship program on our own so the students aren't disappointed. Wish us luck! |
| 17:16.59 | carols | good luck! |
| 17:17.01 | carols | i think that's great. |
| 17:17.06 | carols | i hope it goes well. |
| 17:17.09 | carols | I'm sure it will. |
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| 17:17.13 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is Jane__ with notice 'WordPress http://codex.wordpress.org/GSoC2012' |
| 17:17.15 | Jane__ | talking to Leah from Ruby to see how it went for them |
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| 17:17.22 | carols | awesome! |
| 17:17.31 | Jane__ | thanks for the feedback |
| 17:17.32 | carols | have a great summer! |
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| 17:17.36 | Jane__ | you too! |
| 17:17.36 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 17:17.52 | carols | kblin: that sure is a slow bot :-) |
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| 17:18.20 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 17:18.30 | carols | has some tea while she waits |
| 17:18.38 | kblin | for everybody who's interested, there's a snapshot of the queue at http://kblin.org/gsoc_queue.txt |
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| 17:18.43 | Catfish_Man | kblin: I think your bot could use some more inlining |
| 17:18.43 | kblin | I'll update it regularly |
| 17:19.02 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is ffmpeg|ubitux with notice 'ffmpeg http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Summer_Of_Code' |
| 17:19.10 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 17:19.10 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is Dolibarr|eldy with notice 'Dolibarr http://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_Ideas_2012' |
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| 17:19.19 | carols | hi Dolibarr folks |
| 17:20.40 | kblin | hm, hang on |
| 17:20.49 | carols | sure. |
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| 17:21.09 | kblin | eldy10: please try again |
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| 17:22.04 | kblin | ah, two nicks, missed that one |
| 17:22.14 | kblin | eldy10: try with the eldy10 nick, please |
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| 17:22.31 | kblin | the one that's voiced now, in any case :) |
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| 17:22.49 | Dolibarr|eldy | Hi carols |
| 17:22.54 | carols | hi Dolibarr|eldy |
| 17:22.56 | carols | there we go |
| 17:23.10 | Dolibarr|eldy | sorry for problem with my chat client |
| 17:23.16 | carols | no worries. |
| 17:23.24 | Dolibarr|eldy | Idea page: http://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_Ideas_2012 |
| 17:23.40 | carols | so looking at your application it looks like the ideas page was our main issue. i like that you have information about each idea, but we really need more quantity there. |
| 17:23.54 | carols | i realize you're probably a small org, but we want a wide variety of things available to the students. |
| 17:24.03 | Dolibarr|eldy | It's what i understood from previous feeedback with other project. |
| 17:24.08 | carols | yeah. |
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| 17:24.22 | carols | your application looks good. i appreciate that you'll have a backup mentor for every project |
| 17:24.24 | carols | that's good. |
| 17:24.35 | carols | its really about the number of ideas available to the students. |
| 17:24.48 | Dolibarr|eldy | It was our first participation, and we did not provide a lot of idea because we would like "good" idea only and limit things on purpose |
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| 17:24.57 | carols | i would encourage you to find more possible projects for your ideas page and try again next year. |
| 17:25.00 | Dolibarr|eldy | now i know it was not a good idea. |
| 17:25.07 | carols | keep the ideas formatting the same, just add more :-) |
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| 17:25.38 | Dolibarr|eldy | we have tons of idea. It was just on purpose we limit them. So it will be easy to fix this next year |
| 17:25.38 | carols | great :-) |
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| 17:25.38 | carols | glad to hear it |
| 17:25.41 | carols | please do try again next year. |
| 17:25.57 | Dolibarr|eldy | is there something else (feedback) or only the number of idea ? |
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| 17:26.17 | carols | that was really all of it. unfortunately these gsoc applications can turn on just one thing. |
| 17:26.22 | carols | and in your case, it was that. |
| 17:26.27 | carols | the rest of your application looks good. |
| 17:26.34 | Dolibarr|eldy | I understand. |
| 17:26.37 | carols | please keep the quality up for next year. |
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| 17:26.45 | Dolibarr|eldy | Thanks very much. And see you ... next year |
| 17:26.56 | carols | see you next year. have a great summer :-) |
| 17:26.58 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 17:26.58 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is languagetool|dna with notice 'languagetool http://languagetool.wikidot.com/missing-features' |
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| 17:27.05 | carols | hi languagetool folks |
| 17:27.07 | languagetool|dna | hi carols |
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| 17:27.59 | carols | aw man. again i get to say: we loved your application and your ideas page. |
| 17:28.04 | carols | and you made it to the final round. |
| 17:28.06 | languagetool|dna | thanks :-) |
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| 17:28.11 | carols | but we just didn't have space for you this year. |
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| 17:28.31 | languagetool|dna | i see. we'll try again next year |
| 17:28.39 | carols | i'm sorry. i know it's frustrating. |
| 17:28.51 | carols | you did a great job. |
| 17:28.55 | carols | please keep the quality up |
| 17:28.59 | carols | and try again next year |
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| 17:29.07 | languagetool|dna | we'll do, thanks |
| 17:29.07 | carols | we made a lot of tough calls and you were one of them. |
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| 17:29.12 | carols | thank you. |
| 17:29.30 | carols | have a great summer :-) |
| 17:29.31 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 17:29.35 | languagetool|dna | see you next year hopefully |
| 17:29.42 | carols | indeed |
| 17:29.44 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is edcable with notice 'cosm http://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/RES/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+Ideas' |
| 17:29.55 | carols | hi cosm folks |
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| 17:30.03 | cosm-mifos|edcab | hello carols |
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| 17:30.09 | carols | ah, mifos |
| 17:30.13 | cosm-mifos|edcab | http://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/RES/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+Ideas in case you need it. |
| 17:30.18 | carols | great, thanks. |
| 17:30.22 | carols | just a sec |
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| 17:31.44 | carols | another one. we loved your ideas page, loved your application, and didn't have the space for you this year. |
| 17:32.18 | cosm-mifos|edcab | that is good to hear :) Could we have used a little more meat behind some of our ideas. It was a bit skeletal... |
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| 17:32.28 | carols | well, yeah. but overall we quite liked it. |
| 17:32.39 | carols | it can always be more in depth, of course :-) |
| 17:32.48 | carols | but this was another numbers issue. |
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| 17:32.53 | cosm-mifos|edcab | Okay and on the app - not too verbose? it ended up being a bit longer than past years´ applications |
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| 17:33.02 | carols | verbose on the app is good. |
| 17:33.10 | carols | you have clearly thought about the issues. |
| 17:33.13 | carols | so i appreciate that. |
| 17:33.21 | carols | we had so many hard calls this year. |
| 17:33.24 | cosm-mifos|edcab | good, good. well thanks for the feedback and we will definitely apply again next year. |
| 17:33.30 | carols | yes, please do. |
| 17:33.34 | cosm-mifos|edcab | we are going to try to mentor some students on our own so wishing good luck with that |
| 17:33.37 | carols | thanks again for your participation in the past. |
| 17:33.41 | cosm-mifos|edcab | one question code-in . is that taking place? |
| 17:33.41 | carols | oh yes, good luck! |
| 17:33.47 | carols | i'm not sure. |
| 17:33.50 | cosm-mifos|edcab | and is it only open to SOC participants again? |
| 17:33.59 | cosm-mifos|edcab | okay - thanks again for your time and feedback. |
| 17:34.01 | carols | i don't run that program. you'll want to speak to stephanie about that. |
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| 17:34.17 | cosm-mifos|edcab | perfect. our community will be happy to hear quality of our app was good. take care. |
| 17:34.22 | carols | thanks again for coming. |
| 17:34.23 | carols | you too. |
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| 17:34.37 | carols | hi racket folks |
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| 17:34.46 | racket|asumu | Hello |
| 17:34.47 | racket|samth | hi carols |
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| 17:35.58 | carols | so the ideas page is certainly lengthy enough for your org, but i would have liked to see more "meat" for each of the ideas. |
| 17:36.10 | carols | so quantity is fine, but quality could use a little improvement. |
| 17:36.20 | racket|asumu | I see, so more technical details? |
| 17:36.31 | racket|samth | carols: or organizational details? |
| 17:36.40 | carols | technical details |
| 17:36.48 | carols | i think organizational details are fine here. |
| 17:37.13 | racket|asumu | Okay, thanks. Did the application form itself have enough details? |
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| 17:37.56 | carols | yeah, i think so. since you have participated in the past we trust that you can handle disappearing students and mentors, which you seemed to address in the app. |
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| 17:38.09 | racket|samth | carols: we haven't actually participated in the past |
| 17:38.17 | carols | oh? it says you did in 2006. |
| 17:38.27 | carols | i wasn't here, so i don't know for sure. |
| 17:38.29 | racket|samth | carols: we applied but were rejected in 2006 |
| 17:38.34 | carols | oh, i see. |
| 17:38.47 | carols | well, regardless. |
| 17:39.06 | carols | the ideas page was a B+ and we were making cuts to A+ ideas pages for orgs this year. |
| 17:39.23 | racket|samth | do you have any examples of organizations with A+ ideas pages that you recommend we look at? |
| 17:39.32 | carols | sure, just a sec. |
| 17:39.58 | carols | http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas |
| 17:40.01 | carols | that's one. |
| 17:40.09 | carols | we list that one in the FAQs. |
| 17:40.24 | racket|samth | ok, thanks |
| 17:40.26 | carols | or you can look at the ideas pages for any of the orgs that were accepted this year. |
| 17:40.31 | racket|samth | any other feedback? |
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| 17:40.38 | carols | please try again next year? |
| 17:40.43 | racket|samth | ok |
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| 17:40.49 | carols | we did really like your app, it was just another tough call. |
| 17:40.56 | racket|asumu | Okay, thanks. We'll apply again next year. :) |
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| 17:41.00 | racket|samth | it would have been very helpful for us to know about this feedback session in the rejection email |
| 17:41.01 | carols | thank you :-0 |
| 17:41.03 | carols | :-) |
| 17:41.13 | racket|samth | i only learned about it from reading blog posts by other rejected orgs |
| 17:41.17 | carols | yep, something for us to improve for next year |
| 17:41.24 | carols | there's always something we can be doing better. |
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| 17:41.48 | carols | have a great summer! |
| 17:41.51 | racket|samth | you might also encourage orgs to subscribe to the gsoc list |
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| 17:42.18 | opentreemap|deb | hello |
| 17:42.20 | carols | hi opentreemap folks |
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| 17:42.43 | opentreemap|deb | hi |
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| 17:42.55 | carols | just a sec, let me look at your app. |
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| 17:44.07 | carols | so it looks like your ideas page has a nice number of ideas, but overall each one could use more depth and information. |
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| 17:44.25 | opentreemap|deb | okay - we were concerned it was too few ideas |
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| 17:44.38 | opentreemap|deb | but perhaps a good number but we should have expounded on them? |
| 17:44.50 | carols | quantity is fine on this, but yes, i would like more information for the students on each one. |
| 17:44.56 | carols | for example the "generic skin" idea. |
| 17:45.11 | carols | needs a lot more info for the students to get a flavor of what you want them to do there. |
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| 17:45.28 | opentreemap|deb | so more detail on the task rather than on the specific mentor or knowledge requirements, etc |
| 17:45.44 | carols | well, i want you to keep the mentor and knowledge required too :-) |
| 17:45.49 | carols | and i want more info on each idea. |
| 17:45.53 | carols | all of the above :-) |
| 17:45.54 | opentreemap|deb | of course! :) |
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| 17:46.22 | opentreemap|deb | anything else we should change? this is our first time submitting so we appreciate any feedback |
| 17:46.24 | carols | just keep in mind this is the first way a student will interact with your community and they need as much info about the projects as possible. |
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| 17:46.35 | carols | the application overall looks good. |
| 17:46.51 | carols | sounds like you've thought through the scenarios for disappearing students and mentors, so that's good. |
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| 17:47.05 | carols | just spend some more time on your ideas page next year and try again :-) |
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| 17:47.13 | opentreemap|deb | one last question |
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| 17:47.18 | carols | sure |
| 17:47.46 | opentreemap|deb | as a small, relatively new project, should we wait a bit to reapply or do those things not factor in as much? |
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| 17:48.23 | carols | they don't factor in as much. we actually try very hard to make sure we get small, new projects in every year. which is actually one of the painful parts of the process for us because it means some of our returning orgs get rejected. |
| 17:48.29 | carols | we want new orgs :-) |
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| 17:48.39 | carols | but we also want a really quality application. |
| 17:48.44 | opentreemap|deb | makes sense |
| 17:48.46 | carols | so try again next year, for sure. |
| 17:48.52 | opentreemap|deb | great - thank you for the feedback |
| 17:48.57 | carols | you're welcome |
| 17:49.00 | carols | have a great summer |
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| 17:49.10 | carols | hi reactos folks |
| 17:49.14 | ReactOS|Amine | hey |
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| 17:50.11 | carols | this was another difficult decision. |
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| 17:50.28 | carols | we really liked your ideas page and your application. |
| 17:50.39 | carols | and we really appreciate your participation in the past. |
| 17:50.47 | ReactOS|Amine | we did our best to build up on last year's participation |
| 17:51.04 | carols | we just needed to make some room for some new orgs this year. it's not really a more satisfying answer than that :-( |
| 17:51.05 | ReactOS|Amine | it was great, helped the project a lot, and the recent release reflected that clearly |
| 17:51.11 | carols | i'm glad to hear that. |
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| 17:51.16 | ReactOS|Amine | yeah, we understand |
| 17:51.23 | carols | i think you did a great job with your application. |
| 17:51.25 | ReactOS|Amine | hopefully next year we'll get lucky |
| 17:51.30 | carols | please do try again next year. |
| 17:51.47 | carols | we appreciated having you before. |
| 17:52.19 | ReactOS|Amine | admittedly, I had high hopes for this year |
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| 17:52.41 | carols | i know it must be difficult, and unfortunately i don't have much more feedback to offer than we made a hard decision |
| 17:52.42 | ReactOS|Amine | but I understand how things work |
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| 17:53.11 | ReactOS|Amine | thank you for having us on gsoc, and I'm looking forward to next year application |
| 17:53.13 | carols | yes, this is just kind of gsoc goes sometimes. |
| 17:53.17 | carols | of course. thank you. |
| 17:53.19 | ReactOS|Amine | ;) |
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| 17:53.26 | carols | have a good summer :-) |
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| 17:53.45 | carols | hi maliit folks |
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| 17:54.08 | maliit|mikhas | hi |
| 17:54.33 | carols | hi |
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| 17:54.49 | carols | so overall, it looks like your ideas page was good but could have some more information for some of the ideas. |
| 17:55.05 | carols | i definitely appreciate the was it's organized. |
| 17:55.09 | maliit|mikhas | understood |
| 17:55.13 | carols | way, not was |
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| 17:55.18 | maliit|mikhas | well, it is our organic ideas page |
| 17:55.27 | carols | but the students could use more info for each idea. |
| 17:55.28 | maliit|mikhas | it feels actually wrong to have GSoC-only ideas page |
| 17:55.36 | maliit|mikhas | maybe |
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| 17:55.48 | carols | sure, that's actually fine to have it not just be a gsoc ideas page. |
| 17:55.58 | carols | but we'd like to see more info on each idea. |
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| 17:56.13 | carols | some are great, actually |
| 17:56.18 | carols | but others are a little sparse. |
| 17:56.42 | maliit|mikhas | ok |
| 17:56.56 | carols | your application as a whole looks good. |
| 17:57.01 | maliit|mikhas | ok |
| 17:57.03 | carols | this decision was mostly based on the ideas page. |
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| 17:57.25 | maliit|mikhas | "mostly"? |
| 17:57.36 | maliit|mikhas | what other factors contributed? |
| 17:57.38 | carols | as i think i said to someone before, this was a B+ ideas page in a year where A+ orgs were getting rejected. |
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| 17:57.57 | carols | yeah, as i said, we need more info for each idea. some were good but some weren't. |
| 17:58.14 | maliit|mikhas | will you follow up on how A+ orgs got rejected over others? was it by random? |
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| 17:58.26 | carols | yep, just numbers at that point. |
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| 17:58.32 | maliit|mikhas | ok |
| 17:58.33 | maliit|mikhas | thanks |
| 17:58.37 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 17:58.41 | carols | please do try again next year. |
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| 17:59.12 | carols | and have a nice summer :-) |
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| 17:59.29 | prism_ | Hi carols, thanks for running GSoC !! |
| 17:59.29 | carols | hi prism folks |
| 17:59.35 | carols | you're welcome :-) |
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| 18:00.03 | carols | alright, so on this ideas page i'd like a few more things. |
| 18:00.28 | prism_ | More projects or more description for each of them ? |
| 18:00.35 | carols | 1) possible mentors. 2) difficulty level for each one. 3) languages and/or skills needed for the idea and 4) more information overall on each one. |
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| 18:00.47 | prism_ | ok |
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| 18:00.51 | carols | i like the links within the ideas to get more information. |
| 18:00.54 | carols | keep that. |
| 18:01.00 | carols | and flesh out each one a lot more. |
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| 18:01.12 | prism_ | How did we answered questions ? |
| 18:01.14 | carols | let me look at the app as well. |
| 18:01.16 | carols | just a sec |
| 18:02.08 | carols | i actually would have liked some more thought in response to the question about getting and keeping the students involved in the community |
| 18:02.37 | carols | it's important to us that you think of gsoc as a venue through which to get long-term contributors, so it's not just about how to get them to interact with you, but how to stay involved. |
| 18:03.02 | prism_ | ok, we will keep that in mind for next year |
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| 18:03.10 | carols | the question is about "before, during and after" the program, and it's important to address all three. |
| 18:03.18 | carols | your other answers look good. |
| 18:03.32 | carols | i hope that helps. |
| 18:03.36 | prism_ | What about vouching did it help in our case ? |
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| 18:03.59 | carols | yes, it certainly added weight. but overall the ideas page was the problem. |
| 18:04.31 | carols | i do hope you'll try again next year! |
| 18:04.35 | prism_ | thats what I was thinking, last question: Do academic/research projects have strictly less chance to get in ? |
| 18:04.46 | carols | nope. everyone has equal chances every year. |
| 18:05.04 | carols | we assess every app individually every year. |
| 18:05.27 | prism_ | Good :) Thanks for considering us for GSoC |
| 18:05.32 | carols | of course. thanks for applying! |
| 18:05.41 | carols | hope you'll try again next year |
| 18:05.46 | prism_ | (from 4+ years participant) ;) |
| 18:05.52 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 18:05.59 | carols | have a good summer |
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| 18:06.13 | carols | hi ogsadai folks |
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| 18:06.20 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | hi carols |
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| 18:06.25 | ogsadai|npch | hi carols :) |
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| 18:06.31 | carols | ogsadai|Pradeeba: what name is your application under? |
| 18:06.31 | ogsadai|marioant | hi carols |
| 18:06.37 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | ogsadai |
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| 18:06.51 | carols | ah, ogsa-dai |
| 18:06.56 | carols | there's a dash i missed :-) |
| 18:07.03 | ogsadai|npch | :) |
| 18:07.06 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.16 | carols | just a sec |
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| 18:07.19 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | sure |
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| 18:07.44 | carols | so the application looks great. |
| 18:07.47 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | thanks |
| 18:07.58 | carols | but i would have taken some more time to have a wider variety and more ideas overall on your ideas page. |
| 18:08.11 | ogsadai|npch | okay |
| 18:08.21 | carols | i like the organization of the page |
| 18:08.23 | carols | definitely keep that |
| 18:08.26 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | carols, How was our application scored? |
| 18:08.34 | carols | scored? |
| 18:08.38 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | I noticed, A+s and B+s |
| 18:08.40 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | :) |
| 18:08.43 | carols | oh, i see |
| 18:08.50 | carols | i was kind of using that as a figure of speech :-) |
| 18:08.58 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | oh.. :) |
| 18:09.02 | carols | we didn't actually give everyone a grade, sorry if i gave you that impression |
| 18:09.09 | carols | i was just using it as an analogy |
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| 18:09.20 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | carols, thanks for the clarification. |
| 18:09.24 | ogsadai|npch | carols - do you think the number of mentors in our pool was about right for the size of our community? |
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| 18:09.33 | carols | primarily, for next year i would focus on more ideas and more variety of ideas. |
| 18:09.36 | carols | let me check on the mentors. |
| 18:09.38 | carols | just a sec |
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| 18:09.57 | carols | yeah, i think that's a fair number of mentors. |
| 18:10.07 | ogsadai|npch | it was 7 mentors, trying to ensure we had two good mentors for each idea |
| 18:10.11 | ogsadai|npch | ok |
| 18:10.15 | carols | you should have more ideas and assume they're not all going to become full projects for the summer. |
| 18:10.32 | carols | and the mentors can take the ones that are assigned to students. |
| 18:10.47 | ogsadai|npch | thanks |
| 18:10.58 | carols | i am mostly aiming at giving the students a large range of possible projects within each org. |
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| 18:11.22 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | carols, thanks. Will focus on that next year more. Is there anything else to add or improve in the application or the ideas page? |
| 18:11.22 | carols | so please do try again next year. |
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| 18:11.33 | carols | let me take a second look at the app |
| 18:12.16 | carols | actually, i do really think the rest of your app looks great. |
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| 18:12.26 | carols | you've obviously considered the issues quite well. |
| 18:12.29 | ogsadai|charaka | any weakness in the app? |
| 18:12.35 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | thanks. nice to hear that. |
| 18:12.41 | carols | no, it was really the ideas page primarily. |
| 18:12.43 | carols | and you were close. |
| 18:12.54 | carols | we just made a lot of tough decisions, and you weren't close enough :-/ |
| 18:13.03 | ogsadai|npch | okay, thanks for the feedback, and thanks for running GSoC :) we'll try again next year! |
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| 18:13.18 | ogsadai|Pradeeba | thanks a lot for the feedbacks too. :) |
| 18:13.19 | carols | you're welcome. thanks for applying! |
| 18:13.24 | carols | have a great summer! |
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| 18:13.26 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is Andrew__ with notice 'boost https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/wiki/SoC2012' |
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| 18:13.45 | carols | hi boost folks |
| 18:13.45 | kblin | I take that's the right person |
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| 18:14.46 | carols | boost_: are you the person to speak to? |
| 18:15.10 | mlankhorst | 19:15 [freenode] -!- idle : 0 days 1 hours 28 mins 32 secs [signon: Fri Mar 23 17:38:00 2012] |
| 18:15.15 | carols | hm. |
| 18:15.27 | carols | anyone from boost want to PM kblin and ask for voice? |
| 18:15.39 | carols | i can wait a minute. |
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| 18:16.12 | carols | sips some tea |
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| 18:16.29 | carols | kblin: anyone yet? |
| 18:16.39 | kblin | nope, I guess we'll move on |
| 18:16.51 | carols | ok, if anyone from boost shows up please pm kblin :-) |
| 18:16.52 | kblin | there's another queue slot for boost, so they'll have another chance |
| 18:16.55 | carols | moving on. |
| 18:16.59 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 18:17.07 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is plan9|anth with notice 'plan9 http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gsoc-2012-ideas/index.html' |
| 18:17.14 | carols | hi plan9 folks |
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| 18:17.22 | plan9|anth | Howdy! |
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| 18:18.01 | carols | hi plan9|anth. this was another one of those really tough decisions. :-( |
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| 18:18.14 | carols | your application and your ideas page are great, as always. |
| 18:18.21 | plan9|anth | Good to hear. :-) |
| 18:18.23 | carols | we were just making some space for new organizations this year. |
| 18:18.38 | plan9|anth | Understood; it happens. Nice number of new orgs this year. |
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| 18:18.43 | carols | yes, 41. |
| 18:18.47 | carols | we're happy about it |
| 18:18.52 | plan9|anth | Anything in particular we could work on improving for next time? |
| 18:18.54 | carols | but unhappy that i means rejecting some older orgs. |
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| 18:19.10 | carols | honestly, not that i can see. things look great from what i'm looking at. |
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| 18:19.20 | carols | this was really a decision about making some space. |
| 18:19.34 | carols | i'm sorry about that. |
| 18:19.40 | carols | i hope you guys will apply again next year. |
| 18:19.48 | carols | we really appreciate your past participation. |
| 18:19.53 | plan9|anth | that seems quite likely. :-) |
| 18:20.04 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 18:20.06 | plan9|anth | we appreciate the opportunity to participate. y'all do a very nice job. good luck. |
| 18:20.08 | plan9|anth | (aside: you should've added one more new org. because, y'know: 42.) |
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| 18:20.20 | carols | i'll keep that in mind :-) |
| 18:20.25 | carols | the answer to everything. |
| 18:20.38 | carols | hope you have a great summer. |
| 18:20.43 | plan9|anth | thanks. you too. |
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| 18:20.47 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is plone|kevin7kal with notice 'plone http://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2012/' |
| 18:20.47 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 18:21.04 | kblin | oh, sorry |
| 18:21.14 | carols | we're trying to squeeze boost in, yes? |
| 18:21.22 | kblin | I promised to let the boot person first |
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| 18:21.37 | boost_ | hi |
| 18:21.42 | carols | hi there boost_ |
| 18:21.42 | kblin | sorry plone|kevin7kal |
| 18:21.50 | carols | we'll get to plane next. |
| 18:21.53 | carols | plone. |
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| 18:22.00 | carols | long morning. |
| 18:22.02 | carols | anyway, hi boost_ |
| 18:22.06 | boost_ | hello |
| 18:22.23 | carols | so we unfortunately were a little disappointed with your ideas page this year. |
| 18:22.28 | boost_ | yup. me too |
| 18:22.34 | carols | some of the ideas were pretty sparse |
| 18:22.43 | carols | i really wants to see skills required, possible mentors, etc. |
| 18:22.49 | carols | i'm sure you know the drill. |
| 18:22.50 | boost_ | they tend to be. we like to have the students flesh them out on the list. |
| 18:22.56 | carols | i understand. |
| 18:22.58 | boost_ | I do. |
| 18:23.17 | carols | unfortunately in tandem with all the difficult decisions this year, this was kind of a deal breaker for us. |
| 18:23.34 | boost_ | understandable. |
| 18:23.43 | carols | i really appreciate your participation in the past. |
| 18:23.53 | boost_ | it can be hard for our community to pin down specific mentors for suggested projects at the time of proposals. |
| 18:23.53 | carols | and i hope you'll flesh out the ideas page and try again next year. |
| 18:24.10 | carols | yeah, that's ok. really, more than one sentence about some of these ideas would have helped. :-/ |
| 18:24.11 | boost_ | how important are potential mentors to the ideas page? in your evaluation, that is. |
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| 18:24.36 | carols | potential mentors? not nearly as important as, say, language, and a detailed description of difficulty level and what the idea is. |
| 18:24.45 | carols | but we do take it into account. |
| 18:24.50 | boost_ | ok |
| 18:24.51 | boost_ | thx |
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| 18:25.07 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 18:25.13 | carols | i hope you'll apply again next year |
| 18:25.19 | carols | it was a year of tough calls. |
| 18:25.31 | boost_ | hopefully, i'll be more successful at getting people to develop project ideas. |
| 18:25.41 | carols | good luck. i know it can be like herding cats. |
| 18:25.52 | boost_ | that's exactly how i've described it offline :) |
| 18:25.57 | carols | i hear ya :-) |
| 18:26.05 | carols | hope you have a great summer |
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| 18:26.09 | boost_ | you too. |
| 18:26.12 | carols | cheers |
| 18:26.13 | kblin | ok, really plone this time |
| 18:26.19 | carols | hi plone folks |
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| 18:26.21 | plone|mwilkes | carols: Hey, so, ironically as a CMS, turns out we messed up the workflow settings on our ideas list. When we put the url into the queue bot we noticed it wasn't visible to the public, so wasn't available when you looked at the applications. Our bad. |
| 18:26.50 | carols | plone|mwilkes: yep, and we were already making a lot of tough calls this year. and not having access to your ideas page, well... |
| 18:26.57 | plone|mwilkes | carols: And, we know the drill, no ideas list, no entrance. That said, is there anything else that would have hindered us that we can improve on next year? |
| 18:27.07 | carols | let me look at your app just a sec. |
| 18:27.10 | plone|mwilkes | thanks |
| 18:27.34 | carols | i'm actually quite happy with your application as a whole. |
| 18:27.46 | carols | so keep that :-) |
| 18:27.53 | carols | but make sure i can access your ideas page next year :-) |
| 18:28.12 | plone|mwilkes | carols: :) I think we've settled into a pattern for our application questions |
| 18:28.15 | plone|kevin7kal | Thanks ... distracted by work |
| 18:28.25 | plone|mwilkes | How about the ideas page? It's visible now |
| 18:28.30 | carols | great. yeah, everything else looks good to me. |
| 18:28.33 | carols | let me take a quick look |
| 18:28.42 | plone|mwilkes | http://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2012/ideas-list |
| 18:29.05 | plone|mwilkes | I'd have liked to add more new ideas, the vast majority were ones from last year we didn't get a good application for |
| 18:29.09 | carols | oh, this is a great ideas list! |
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| 18:29.21 | carols | i would have been much more likely to accept you had i seen this two weeks ago :-) |
| 18:29.39 | carols | well organized, lots of info. |
| 18:29.54 | carols | but if i can't get to it and students can't get to it, no go. |
| 18:29.56 | plone|mwilkes | carols: Shush, don't tell us that. We're more than happy to be left out for a year to make room for our fellow orgs, us two screwing up is more sad ;) |
| 18:30.33 | plone|kevin7kal | Agreed with mwilkes :-) |
| 18:30.34 | carols | I'm just trying to be honest with you :-) |
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| 18:30.45 | carols | please do apply again next year |
| 18:30.46 | plone|mwilkes | carols: Okay, so 'learn how to use your own software' |
| 18:30.50 | carols | yep. |
| 18:30.52 | plone|mwilkes | carols: You know we will! |
| 18:30.53 | carols | that's the message. |
| 18:31.00 | carols | thanks for your participation in the past |
| 18:31.08 | carols | we like you guys :-) |
| 18:31.21 | plone|mwilkes | we're looking forward to seeing what comes out of the other projects this summer |
| 18:31.29 | carols | good luck! please let me know how it goes. |
| 18:31.31 | plone|kevin7kal | We very much appreciate the program and the work that you and others put in |
| 18:31.42 | carols | of course. |
| 18:31.46 | carols | thank you. |
| 18:32.04 | carols | have a great summer regardless :-) |
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| 18:32.09 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is tcl_aku with notice 'tcl http://wiki.tcl.tk/28789' |
| 18:32.14 | carols | hi tcl folks |
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| 18:32.18 | tcl_aku | hi |
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| 18:32.49 | tcl_aku | hi |
| 18:33.00 | mlankhorst | evening |
| 18:33.04 | carols | so looks like your ideas page has well fleshed-out ideas, but maybe a little light on quantity of ideas. |
| 18:33.11 | carols | but overall, it's ok. |
| 18:33.20 | tcl_aku | Yeah, I suspected |
| 18:33.25 | carols | reading over the feedback notes, this looks like another bought call for new orgs. |
| 18:33.30 | tcl_aku | Should have rolled more ideas from last years over |
| 18:33.32 | carols | tough |
| 18:33.37 | carols | yeah, i would have liked that. |
| 18:33.47 | tcl_aku | Will work on that next year |
| 18:33.53 | carols | unfortunately a lot of orgs that would have otherwise been fine didn't make the cut simply so we would have space for new ones. |
| 18:34.05 | tcl_aku | What about the application itself? |
| 18:34.11 | carols | just a sec. |
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| 18:35.05 | carols | application looks good. you've participated in the past, so we we ok with your answers to the questions. |
| 18:35.10 | tcl_aku | ok. |
| 18:35.23 | carols | this was another your ideas page was on a razor's edge and we had to make difficult decisions. |
| 18:35.25 | tcl_aku | For others, which do not see the need for backup mentors ... |
| 18:35.45 | tcl_aku | We had one project last year wehere the mentor had a death in the family, so had to deal with that |
| 18:35.52 | tcl_aku | The backupmentor took over for the time. |
| 18:35.59 | carols | yeah, we're fine with that. |
| 18:36.12 | carols | this was a tough call which got turned by a not-quite-amazing ideas page. |
| 18:36.13 | tcl_aku | I just wanted to say that in general, for others |
| 18:36.21 | carols | thank you :-) |
| 18:36.28 | tcl_aku | Yeah. Well, thanks for the consideration |
| 18:36.42 | carols | you're welcome. |
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| 18:36.48 | carols | i hope you'll try again next year. |
| 18:36.56 | tcl_aku | Have a good sumer then, and good luck |
| 18:36.59 | tcl_aku | Yes, we will |
| 18:37.00 | carols | thank you |
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| 18:37.01 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is pjcj with notice 'The Perl Foundation http://wiki.enlightenedperl.org/gsoc2012/ideas' |
| 18:37.02 | carols | same to you |
| 18:37.06 | carols | hi perl folks |
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| 18:37.17 | TPF|pjcj | hello carols |
| 18:37.17 | TPF|rafl | hello |
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| 18:37.44 | carols | hey there. |
| 18:37.44 | mlankhorst | if she's silent, she's looking up the application and related things :) |
| 18:37.58 | TPF|rafl | isn't in a hurry :) |
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| 18:38.23 | carols | so many of these this year! you're another org with a great ideas page and a great application. |
| 18:38.41 | carols | we really did just have to reject some of our returning orgs to make space for new ones. |
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| 18:38.51 | carols | this was the case for you too. |
| 18:38.55 | TPF|rafl | really? no criticism of our ideas page? that's not quite what i've been expecting |
| 18:39.04 | TPF|rafl | fair enough, though :) |
| 18:39.23 | carols | i think a few of them could be more fleshed out, but i like that there's a wide variety. |
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| 18:39.31 | TPF|rafl | so, this year we had a couple of smaller perl projects approach us, asking whether or not they should apply for gsoc individually |
| 18:39.50 | carols | alright... |
| 18:39.57 | TPF|rafl | we, regrettably, told them to not do that, as we assumed chances of them getting a slot or two might be higher under an umbrella |
| 18:40.14 | TPF|rafl | would you recommend we'd stop doing that for next year? |
| 18:40.27 | TPF|rafl | i don't want you guys to be flooded with even more org applications |
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| 18:40.41 | TPF|rafl | but also i feel rather bad for the small projects i basically robbed of their chance to get in this time around |
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| 18:41.35 | carols | well, maybe they can find another org to take them under their wing this summer. |
| 18:41.44 | carols | or, if they don't, they can try again on their own next year |
| 18:41.48 | carols | and you should try again as well. |
| 18:41.56 | TPF|rafl | we're working on that |
| 18:42.00 | carols | every year some decisions are tough, this was one of them. |
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| 18:42.10 | TPF|rafl | putting some of our prospective students in touch with other related orgs, that is |
| 18:42.18 | carols | great, thank you for that. |
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| 18:42.31 | TPF|rafl | and also we're currently planning to run our own summer program for students |
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| 18:42.43 | carols | we have more orgs participating this year than ever before and it still wasn't enough space for all the quality applications we got. |
| 18:42.51 | carols | oh awesome! glad to hear it. |
| 18:42.53 | TPF|rafl | is the latter something google and the gsoc organisers encourage, or would you rather not see something that could be construed as "competition" for gsoc? |
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| 18:43.10 | carols | no, it's not competition to run your own summer of code-like program. |
| 18:43.15 | carols | we encourage it. |
| 18:43.24 | carols | it's an open source model :-) |
| 18:43.29 | TPF|rafl | duly noted - thank you :) |
| 18:43.32 | carols | use it and modify it however you like. |
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| 18:43.49 | TPF|pjcj | thanks for the feedback |
| 18:43.53 | carols | you're welcome. again, i hope you'll apply again next year. |
| 18:44.00 | TPF|rafl | we will. thanks. |
| 18:44.00 | carols | thanks for your participation in the past! |
| 18:44.12 | carols | have a nice summer :-) |
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| 18:44.49 | carols | hi x.org folks |
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| 18:44.59 | X_Org|tstellar_ | hi carols |
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| 18:45.57 | dberkholz | hi |
| 18:46.00 | carols | so looking over your ideas page, it looks like we wanted it a bit more fleshed out than it was. |
| 18:46.04 | dberkholz | having weird issues with my other nick |
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| 18:46.26 | carols | i would have liked more ideas overall. |
| 18:46.28 | carols | as well. |
| 18:46.59 | carols | difficulty level and skills/languages required, too. |
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| 18:47.30 | carols | i know you have participated in the past and some of this is old hat, but we were making tough calls and your org was another one on a razor's edge that we had to cut. |
| 18:47.53 | dberkholz | sure |
| 18:48.21 | carols | as i'm sure you've seen from this meeting, we had a lot of returning orgs that didn't make it this year. |
| 18:48.37 | carols | let me look at your application as well again to see if there's anything else. |
| 18:49.09 | carols | rest of the application looks pretty strong to me. |
| 18:49.41 | carols | this one really hinged on the ideas page and making space for new orgs |
| 18:50.15 | carols | hope that helps. |
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| 18:50.26 | carols | i would encourage you to try again next year, of course :-) |
| 18:50.27 | X_Org|tstellar_ | It does, thanks for the feedback. |
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| 18:50.36 | carols | and we appreciate all your participation in the past, of course. |
| 18:51.11 | carols | hope you have a great summer :-) |
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| 18:51.17 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is k9|cketti with notice 'k9 https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/wiki/GSoC-Project-Ideas' |
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| 18:51.24 | mlankhorst | sad to see xorg not participating :( |
| 18:51.24 | dberkholz | you too, thanks |
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| 18:51.30 | k9|cketti | hi |
| 18:51.35 | carols | hi k9 folks |
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| 18:51.41 | k9|cketti | org id is 'k9mail' |
| 18:51.42 | carols | just a sec as i look at your app |
| 18:52.53 | carols | so i like the quantity of ideas on your ideas page, but overall i think some of these could be more fleshed out. |
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| 18:53.42 | carols | we'd really like a student who has no experience with your community to still have a good idea of what each project idea on here looks like |
| 18:53.55 | carols | some of them are ok, others could use a little work. |
| 18:54.19 | carols | i would also have liked a more in depth answer about keeping the students involved in the community before, during and after the program |
| 18:54.33 | carols | i realize you have a vibrant community, but more in depth thought on that would have helped :-) |
| 18:54.44 | carols | the rest of the app looks good to me. |
| 18:54.59 | carols | so again, this was a tough call in a year of tough calls. |
| 18:55.15 | carols | please do flesh out your ideas page and try again next year. |
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| 18:55.20 | k9|cketti | ok, thanks for the feedback. we'll definitely take that into account for next year |
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| 18:55.39 | carols | thank you for your participation last year |
| 18:55.42 | carols | it was great having you |
| 18:55.50 | k9|achen | thanks |
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| 18:55.53 | carols | and have a great summer :-) |
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| 18:56.03 | AB|Talad | waves |
| 18:56.09 | AB|Talad | Hi |
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| 18:56.10 | carols | hi atomicblue folks |
| 18:56.12 | carols | just a sec |
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| 18:57.09 | carols | looks like the ideas on your ideas page needed more information like potential mentors, difficulty level, and skills required. |
| 18:57.39 | carols | information level overall is ok, actually. just needs more organization with all those other things |
| 18:57.41 | AB|Talad | it's linked in the wiki |
| 18:57.53 | AB|Talad | every idea has a link to the wiki, where you can see the skills required and difficulty level |
| 18:58.19 | AB|Talad | We tried for 3 years to get into GSoC and finally managed to get in last year, has been a great experience for us! |
| 18:58.31 | AB|Talad | Awesome program and event in Mountainview, we learned a lot. A second year would have been important for us, as we are a small org. |
| 18:58.40 | carols | i understand. |
| 18:58.54 | carols | this was also a matter of turning away a lot of orgs we already had a relationship with this year. |
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| 18:59.07 | carols | not an easy choice. |
| 18:59.25 | carols | i've looked at your app, and it looks good to me. it is clear you learned a lot from your participation last year. |
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| 19:00.03 | AB|Talad | yes, we also did our best to participate to the events, and help the community |
| 19:00.07 | carols | i would suggest you consolidate the ideas page and the wiki down so there's one canonical resource for the students. |
| 19:00.15 | AB|Talad | ok |
| 19:00.18 | carols | and please do try again next year :-) |
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| 19:00.31 | AB|Talad | we will surely re-apply |
| 19:00.39 | carols | awesome. |
| 19:00.43 | carols | thank you. |
| 19:00.48 | AB|Talad | thanks |
| 19:01.01 | carols | you'r welcome. |
| 19:01.04 | carols | have a great summer |
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| 19:01.09 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is LimeSurvey|c_sch with notice 'LimeSurvey http://docs.limesurvey.org/Project+Ideas+for+GSoC+2012' |
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| 19:01.23 | carols | hi LimeSurvey folks |
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| 19:01.32 | LimeSurvey|c_sch | hi Carol :) |
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| 19:02.35 | carols | looks like your ideas page overall is pretty extensive. there's a couple things on here that could use some more work, but overall it's pretty strong. |
| 19:02.41 | carols | LimeSurvey|c_sch: pm? |
| 19:02.48 | LimeSurvey|c_sch | carols: sure |
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| 19:07.02 | carols | alright kblin. our next participant? |
| 19:07.04 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 19:07.04 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is s_a_m with notice 'comunes https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YD86A1ZQgyIJC7S7C0UAkIHt6D7Jn_dRWx7H3g3w0Fw/edit' |
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| 19:07.15 | carols | hi comunes folks |
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| 19:07.20 | comunes|s_a_m | hi there |
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| 19:07.50 | carols | just a sec while i look at your app :-) |
| 19:07.56 | comunes|s_a_m | sure |
| 19:08.45 | carols | this was quite a difficult decision. |
| 19:08.53 | carols | we really liked your ideas page and your application. |
| 19:08.59 | comunes|s_a_m | aha |
| 19:09.14 | carols | i think you did a really good job with both. |
| 19:09.43 | carols | unfortunately we just had so many space issues and other new orgs we were accepting this year, we couldn't take everyone we wanted to :-( |
| 19:09.51 | carols | i'm sorry i don't have a more satisfying answer. |
| 19:10.06 | carols | please try again next year! |
| 19:10.06 | comunes|s_a_m | did we reach an A+ for the ideas? |
| 19:10.22 | carols | yes, definitely. i'm quite happy with the quality and the quantity. |
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| 19:10.45 | comunes|s_a_m | another issue was the supporting org, CreativeCommons, which didnt make it either... |
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| 19:10.58 | comunes|s_a_m | maybe we should find another supporting org for next year? |
| 19:11.11 | carols | yes, please do. if there's another org that can vouch for you that definitely helps. |
| 19:11.20 | carols | for new orgs the vouching system is particularly helpful |
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| 19:11.51 | comunes|s_a_m | another doubt we had was if being AGPL was not helpful, or if it didnt really matter |
| 19:12.03 | carols | oh, that wasn't a factor. |
| 19:12.06 | carols | don't worry about that. |
| 19:12.24 | comunes|s_a_m | ok cool |
| 19:12.28 | carols | this was just another tough call for us. |
| 19:12.34 | carols | so please try again next year :-) |
| 19:12.39 | comunes|s_a_m | sure we will |
| 19:12.45 | carols | and thanks for applying! |
| 19:13.04 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 19:13.05 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is duraspace|bbrana with notice 'DuraSpace https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/GSOC/Google+Summer+of+Code+(GSOC)' |
| 19:13.05 | carols | have a great summer :-) |
| 19:13.10 | carols | hi duraspace folks |
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| 19:13.18 | duraspace|bbrana | hello Carol |
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| 19:13.32 | duraspace|cwilpe | hi carols |
| 19:14.25 | carols | aw man. another unsatisfying answer. |
| 19:14.35 | carols | we really like your application and your ideas page |
| 19:14.44 | carols | and we really wanted to give new orgs a chance to participate this year. |
| 19:15.06 | duraspace|cwilpe | anything you noticed that we could improve on for next year? |
| 19:15.25 | carols | i'll take a more in depth look, but my notes say this was basically just for space. |
| 19:15.27 | carols | but let me see. |
| 19:16.32 | carols | i do wish the fedora commons ideas page had a few more mentor possibilities, and i would like the duracloud page to have more ideas overall. |
| 19:16.38 | carols | so you could improve that for next year. |
| 19:16.48 | carols | but the decision we made this year was primarily because of space. |
| 19:17.13 | duraspace|cwilpe | thanks carols, we'll be back next year :) |
| 19:17.16 | carols | awesome |
| 19:17.20 | carols | please do apply again next year |
| 19:17.25 | duraspace|bbrana | should we consider combining the ideas pages for the projects, or is it acceptable to have them split apart |
| 19:17.43 | carols | it's acceptable to split them apart, although it does make less work for me if its all on one page :-) |
| 19:17.53 | duraspace|bbrana | sure |
| 19:17.56 | carols | just a nice thing, not required :-) |
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| 19:18.04 | carols | thanks for your participation in the past! |
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| 19:18.22 | duraspace|bbrana | we have enjoyed our past summers, thanks for hosting the program |
| 19:18.26 | carols | i hope you have a good summer. |
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| 19:18.27 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is jMonkeyEngine|sb with notice 'jMonkeyEngine http://jmonkeyengine.org/gsoc-2012/ideas/' |
| 19:18.30 | carols | of course. |
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| 19:18.42 | carols | hi jmonkeyengine folks |
| 19:18.43 | *** mode/#gsoc [-vv duraspace|bbrana duraspace|bbrana] by kblin |
| 19:19.24 | carols | so this decision was primarily because of the ideas page. |
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| 19:19.40 | carols | some of these ideas when i drill down don't have any details at all. |
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| 19:20.11 | carols | we want to see difficulty level, possible mentors, skills and languages required, and more information about the idea itself. |
| 19:20.50 | carols | jMonkeyEngine|sb: you there? |
| 19:21.09 | kblin | I was just wondering the same, but there's backlog :) |
| 19:21.29 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | hi there |
| 19:21.32 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | i'm sorry :) |
| 19:21.41 | carols | ah ok |
| 19:21.42 | carols | no problem |
| 19:21.46 | carols | did you get that feedback? |
| 19:22.00 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | yes, that's very much appreciated |
| 19:22.03 | carols | great. |
| 19:22.06 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | actually, mentors were in there though |
| 19:22.11 | carols | let me look at your application as well |
| 19:23.02 | carols | i also would have liked to see more information about getting the student involved and keeping them involved in the community. |
| 19:23.19 | carols | i would like to see you've thought about how you'll keep them as long-term developers outside of gsoc. |
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| 19:23.27 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | ah ok |
| 19:23.36 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | would it be helpful to put prior evidence in there? |
| 19:23.43 | carols | yes, certainly. |
| 19:23.48 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | we've got a history of turning small time contributors into core members |
| 19:24.00 | carols | that's great. you should tell us about how you did that in your application :-) |
| 19:24.09 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | trickery and candy ;) |
| 19:24.13 | carols | haha |
| 19:24.20 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | thanks, that's helpful though |
| 19:24.24 | carols | well, there's something to be said for chocolate at least. |
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| 19:24.29 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | I was worried about sounding too mushy and cute in the app |
| 19:24.32 | carols | thank you for your application. |
| 19:24.38 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | thanks for your review |
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| 19:24.48 | carols | no, not too mushy. just want to see a lot of thought for each scenario/question |
| 19:24.50 | carols | of course. |
| 19:24.55 | carols | please try again next year! |
| 19:25.00 | jMonkeyEngine|sb | definitely, cheers |
| 19:25.03 | carols | cheers |
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| 19:25.09 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is josh050 with notice 'azavea https://github.com/azavea/geotrellis/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2012' |
| 19:25.19 | carols | hi azavea folks |
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| 19:27.06 | carols | josh050: are you the azavea representative? |
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| 19:27.32 | carols | hm. |
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| 19:27.58 | carols | can anyone from azalea make yourself known to kblin? |
| 19:28.01 | carols | i'll wait |
| 19:28.04 | carols | azavea |
| 19:28.09 | carols | sigh, too much typing. |
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| 19:28.49 | carols | kblin: let's come back to them. |
| 19:28.51 | opentreemap|deb | hi - the person for geotrellis unexpectedly had to leave |
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| 19:28.56 | carols | ah, ok |
| 19:29.01 | opentreemap|deb | I can speak for him though - he's two desks over from me |
| 19:29.10 | carols | cool, thanks. |
| 19:29.11 | opentreemap|deb | sorry about that |
| 19:29.15 | carols | no problem. |
| 19:29.21 | carols | just a sec while i look over the app |
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| 19:30.10 | carols | so it looks like a couple things were the issue here: 1) the ideas on the ideas page could have used more detail in some cases. |
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| 19:30.23 | opentreemap|deb | okay |
| 19:30.28 | carols | for example "web-based operation builder" could use a lot more detail. |
| 19:30.42 | carols | there's a couple others. |
| 19:31.01 | opentreemap|deb | okay I can see that |
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| 19:31.20 | opentreemap|deb | in general, would you prefer that we explain technical details or assume some student knowledge? |
| 19:31.31 | opentreemap|deb | for example, raster analysis, map algebra, etc |
| 19:31.54 | carols | well, you're welcome to include details and assume student knowledge, but lay all of that out. |
| 19:32.01 | carols | easy, medium or hard difficulty level. |
| 19:32.09 | carols | what's expected for the project outcome. |
| 19:32.14 | carols | what languages the student will need. |
| 19:32.15 | carols | etc. |
| 19:32.17 | carols | also, on the application itself i would have appreciated a more extensive answer about how you'll keep students in involved in the community. simply providing a good experience for the student unfortunately doesn't cut it :-) |
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| 19:32.41 | opentreemap|deb | absolutely - I guess my question was whether we should state things like "map algebra is...." |
| 19:32.49 | carols | ah, i see. |
| 19:33.04 | carols | how about we split the difference and say just link to the wikipedia entry on it? :-) |
| 19:33.08 | opentreemap|deb | ha! |
| 19:33.16 | opentreemap|deb | we can do that :) |
| 19:33.22 | carols | great. |
| 19:33.26 | opentreemap|deb | and noted on the suggestion about keeping students involved |
| 19:33.30 | carols | that's what sticks out to me. |
| 19:33.32 | carols | great. |
| 19:33.36 | carols | hope that's helpful. |
| 19:33.38 | opentreemap|deb | it is |
| 19:33.39 | opentreemap|deb | thank you |
| 19:33.43 | carols | you're welcome |
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| 19:33.51 | carols | please try again next year, of course :-) |
| 19:33.55 | opentreemap|deb | we will! |
| 19:33.59 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 19:34.03 | carols | have a great summer |
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| 19:34.09 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is eadventure|angel with notice 'eucm http://gsoc2012.e-ucm.es/' |
| 19:34.19 | carols | hi eucm folks |
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| 19:34.27 | eadventure|angel | hi carols! |
| 19:34.40 | carols | hi :-) |
| 19:34.43 | eadventure|angel | eadventure|eugen is also of my tem |
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| 19:35.00 | eadventure|angel | would you mind give him access? |
| 19:35.13 | eadventure|angel | sorry, he already is :) |
| 19:35.48 | eadventure|angel | ok, let's start |
| 19:35.49 | carols | so, i like the organization of your ideas page, for sure. |
| 19:35.59 | carols | but some of these are a little sparse and could use more info. |
| 19:36.05 | eadventure|angel | nice to hear that |
| 19:36.14 | carols | the quantity is great. |
| 19:36.14 | eadventure|angel | ok |
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| 19:36.35 | carols | but i think students need a bit more to go on, particularly if they're not familiar with your project at first. |
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| 19:36.58 | eadventure|angel | like deeper explanations? |
| 19:37.01 | carols | i'm glad you used the vouching system, that definitely helped you and will help you in the future if you decide to apply again. |
| 19:37.05 | carols | eadventure|angel: yes. |
| 19:37.13 | eadventure|angel | ok |
| 19:37.26 | carols | also, i was sort of unclear how you'd have students working on site with you? |
| 19:37.35 | carols | that was mostly just confusion, since this is an online program. |
| 19:37.47 | carols | it wasn't a deal breaker for the app, just something i didn't quite grok. |
| 19:37.55 | eadventure|angel | ok, we will try to make that clearer in the future |
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| 19:38.11 | carols | great, thank you. |
| 19:38.31 | carols | the rest of the app looks good to me. i'm glad you have backup mentors in place who can help you if one disappears |
| 19:38.34 | carols | that's helpful. |
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| 19:38.53 | eadventure|angel | good |
| 19:38.59 | carols | hope that helps. please try again next year :-) |
| 19:39.20 | eadventure|angel | anything else you noticed that we could improve on for next year? |
| 19:39.29 | carols | ill take another look, just a sec. |
| 19:39.41 | eadventure|eugen | hi, sorry to cut in |
| 19:39.45 | eadventure|angel | (and we definitely apply again) |
| 19:40.02 | eadventure|eugen | we were worried that that size of our community (quite small) could be a problem |
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| 19:40.51 | carols | um, somewhat. we're ok with small communities as long as you're confident you can support the students. and you seemed to make that clear. |
| 19:40.58 | carols | I'm actually ok with the rest of the app. |
| 19:41.06 | carols | its the ideas page i'd like to see most improved. |
| 19:41.32 | carols | please do try again next year :-) |
| 19:41.39 | eadventure|eugen | great, thanks! |
| 19:41.53 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 19:41.53 | eadventure|angel | we will, thank you so much for your feedback! |
| 19:41.55 | carols | have a nice summer. |
| 19:42.00 | carols | :-) |
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| 19:42.12 | carols | hi rivertrail folks |
| 19:42.21 | kblin | hmm |
| 19:42.39 | kblin | anybody from rivertrail please query me? |
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| 19:43.12 | carols | i need to take a quick break anyway. |
| 19:43.16 | carols | i will be right back |
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| 19:44.28 | kblin | please hold the line... your attendance at the feedback meeting is important for us... the next free carols will be with you shortly.... |
| 19:44.49 | carols | thank kblin :-) |
| 19:44.51 | carols | i'm back. |
| 19:45.04 | kblin | ok, still nobody for rivertrail |
| 19:45.09 | kblin | so let's take the next one |
| 19:45.13 | carols | alright, let's check again for them in the end |
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| 19:45.14 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is gnuradio|bistrom with notice 'gnuradio http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/GSoC' |
| 19:45.19 | carols | hi gnuradio folks |
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| 19:45.36 | gnuradio|bistrom | hi there |
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| 19:46.00 | carols | so i have similar feedback to the feedback i had for octave. |
| 19:46.10 | carols | I'm hoping that you can participate under the gnu project umbrella. |
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| 19:46.44 | carols | we were making a lot of tough calls on space and this was one i put into the category of that we'd like you to participate under their umbrella. |
| 19:46.55 | carols | i really love your ideas page. |
| 19:46.59 | carols | and the application. |
| 19:47.07 | carols | we just didn't have enough space for everyone. |
| 19:47.20 | gnuradio|bistrom | thanks, glad to hear it! glad to hear we're on the right track with the app. |
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| 19:47.37 | carols | yes, definitely. |
| 19:47.46 | gnuradio|bistrom | we'll update & reapply next yr then. thanks! |
| 19:47.54 | carols | you're welcome. thank you! |
| 19:48.22 | carols | hope you have a good summer and get some students through gnu project. |
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| 19:48.41 | carols | hi geeklog folks |
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| 19:48.46 | geeklog|dhaun | Hi Carol :) |
| 19:50.05 | carols | so i like the ideas page overall. i think a couple more ideas would have been nice, so something to keep in mind for next year. |
| 19:50.12 | carols | but mostly this was another space issue. |
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| 19:50.23 | geeklog|dhaun | okay |
| 19:50.39 | carols | you were in it until the final round when we had to start "cutting to bone" |
| 19:50.53 | geeklog|dhaun | we weren't planning to have more than maybe 4 slots anyway - you still think we should have more ideas? |
| 19:51.17 | geeklog|dhaun | that's good to hear, thanks |
| 19:51.19 | carols | a couple, yeah. but that really wasn't what determined it for us this year. it was really about the space. |
| 19:51.53 | carols | yeah, i'm quite happy with the rest of the application. |
| 19:52.02 | geeklog|dhaun | okay. I've only just realized that we only had medium and high difficulty ideas this year, so maybe we should have added an easy one as well? |
| 19:52.19 | carols | yes, that certainly would have been helpful. |
| 19:52.26 | carols | we just had so many orgs that have been great with us in the pas that we had to reject this year. |
| 19:52.45 | carols | please do apply again next year. |
| 19:52.52 | geeklog|dhaun | okay, that's what I was "hoping" to hear, if that's the right word ... |
| 19:53.02 | carols | understood :-) |
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| 19:53.10 | geeklog|dhaun | sounds like we didn't do too bad and will certainly try again next year |
| 19:53.14 | carols | thank you for your past participation. |
| 19:53.16 | carols | yes, indeed. |
| 19:53.29 | geeklog|dhaun | and thanks for having us and for doing this feedback session |
| 19:53.35 | carols | of course. |
| 19:53.41 | carols | have a great summer :-) |
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| 19:53.48 | geeklog|dhaun | will do, thanks |
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| 19:54.02 | Nimbus|buzz | hello |
| 19:54.03 | carols | hi nimbus folks |
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| 19:54.36 | Nimbus|buzz | What was the general feeling about our application? |
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| 19:55.31 | carols | so, overall i really liked your ideas page. i like how fleshed out the ideas are and the organization. |
| 19:55.56 | carols | i would have liked to see more info on keeping students involved in the community from your application. |
| 19:56.15 | carols | but we got your vouch from globus, and we definitely wanted to accept you. |
| 19:56.26 | carols | again, this was another hard choice. |
| 19:56.39 | Nimbus|buzz | keeping them involved during the summer or beyond? |
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| 19:57.07 | carols | beyond. |
| 19:57.21 | Nimbus|buzz | Did we have enough ideas in the list? |
| 19:57.29 | carols | yes, that i was happy with. |
| 19:57.31 | Nimbus|buzz | I had a concern there |
| 19:57.33 | Nimbus|buzz | ok great |
| 19:57.39 | carols | they've got lots of information. |
| 19:57.50 | carols | keep the strength of your ideas page, for sure :-) |
| 19:57.57 | Nimbus|buzz | so mainly it was due to a plan to involve students beyond the program? |
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| 19:58.12 | carols | well, yes, and the fact that we only had 180 slots and had 406 applications. |
| 19:58.18 | carols | and we made hard decisions across the board. |
| 19:58.23 | carols | and your org was one of them. |
| 19:58.33 | Nimbus|buzz | i understand |
| 19:58.35 | carols | so i encourage you to try again next year. |
| 19:58.41 | Nimbus|buzz | great! |
| 19:58.51 | carols | it was a strong application, for sure :-) |
| 19:58.53 | Nimbus|buzz | was our past involvement a plus ore a minus? |
| 19:58.59 | carols | definitely a plus. |
| 19:59.04 | carols | and globes emailed me directly about you. |
| 19:59.07 | carols | globus |
| 19:59.31 | Nimbus|buzz | Borja is wonderful like that |
| 19:59.37 | carols | so again, please try again next year |
| 19:59.48 | Nimbus|buzz | ok thank you for the feedback |
| 19:59.50 | Nimbus|buzz | anything else? |
| 19:59.57 | carols | let me take one more look. |
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| 20:01.08 | carols | rest of the app looks good to me. just that one question about students and the community sticks out. but again, this wasn't the deal breaker for you. the number of slots we had for orgs was. |
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| 20:01.26 | Nimbus|buzz | ok, i appreciate it. |
| 20:01.29 | carols | of course. |
| 20:01.32 | Nimbus|buzz | see you next year ;-) |
| 20:01.37 | carols | have a great summer. see you next year :-) |
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| 20:01.41 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is annegentle with notice 'OpenStack http://wiki.openstack.org/GSoC2012/Ideas' |
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| 20:01.49 | carols | hi openstack folks |
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| 20:02.05 | annegentle | hi carols - impressive IRC work here :) |
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| 20:02.13 | carols | thanks very much :-) |
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| 20:02.53 | carols | alright, so looking at your ideas page, i like the number of ideas overall but i would really appreciate more depth on some of them. |
| 20:02.56 | annegentle | so, this was our first year applying after hemming and hawing a year prior about applying, and I am sure it showed |
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| 20:03.25 | carols | well, you'll get feedback and try again next year :-) |
| 20:04.19 | carols | the ideas definitely need some more "meat." i'd like the students to have an idea of who might be mentoring them, what skills are required, how difficult the idea is, and what the expected results are for every idea on the page. |
| 20:04.54 | annegentle | was the depth okay on some of the ideas? We had the mentors assigned to ideas, more or less, but the template fell flat (wasn't filled in all the way). |
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| 20:05.14 | carols | yes, some of them are fine. |
| 20:05.24 | carols | they seem to get a little sparser as you get farther down the page :-) |
| 20:05.30 | annegentle | carols: yep :) |
| 20:05.41 | annegentle | carols: what you scroll? j/k |
| 20:05.47 | carols | hehe :-) |
| 20:06.04 | annegentle | for an org our size, would you say the number of ideas/mentors was ok? |
| 20:06.18 | carols | unfortunately with the gsoc org apps, much like i'm sure college applications are, we nitpick on everything because there are so many applicant.s |
| 20:06.28 | carols | number of ideas and mentors is good, yes. |
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| 20:06.57 | carols | but basically for each idea you should assume the student knows nothing about the projects or your org, so they need a strong ideas page to get started. |
| 20:07.07 | annegentle | when we have students come to us, do you have suggestions for our mentors to help on other projects that did get accepted, does that help our chances for next year? |
| 20:07.30 | annegentle | sorry that's a meandering question :) |
| 20:08.01 | annegentle | I'm wondering how to best handle the high interest in ways that help us for next year |
| 20:08.32 | carols | well, i certainly encourage you to encourage those students to stay involved in the community regardless of gsoc if that's what you mean :-) |
| 20:08.45 | annegentle | oh absolutely |
| 20:08.54 | carols | but in terms of your application for next year, i would say that the strength of your ideas page will help you a lot. |
| 20:09.03 | carols | the rest of your application looks good. |
| 20:09.32 | carols | just take some more time with your ideas page and make sure it's fleshed out. |
| 20:09.40 | carols | the quantity of ideas is great if you can get meat on each of those |
| 20:09.51 | annegentle | carols: ok, great, thanks |
| 20:09.56 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 20:10.01 | carols | please do try again next year. |
| 20:10.21 | annegentle | will do, thanks for the input |
| 20:10.25 | carols | :-) |
| 20:10.27 | carols | have a nice summer |
| 20:10.39 | annegentle | you too! |
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| 20:10.40 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is fraggle_ with notice 'grenouille.com http://wiki.grenouille.com/index.php/2012_ideas_list' |
| 20:10.49 | carols | hi grenouille folks |
| 20:10.54 | mlankhorst | yikes its still going on? |
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| 20:11.01 | mlankhorst | brb shoprun |
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| 20:11.12 | fraggle_ | hello GSoC people :p |
| 20:11.25 | mlankhorst | heya :) |
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| 20:11.50 | carols | so this was another one that hinged on the ideas page. |
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| 20:12.35 | fraggle_ | we made it in the hurry |
| 20:12.38 | carols | i like the organization of your ideas page, but i really want to see more information and expected results for each idea. |
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| 20:12.56 | carols | i know you have some information on there, which is a good start, but really you need more |
| 20:13.14 | carols | also, i think having 4 mentors for all those ideas is a bit ambitious :-) |
| 20:13.15 | fraggle_ | we're part of a research project that already sponsor us |
| 20:13.22 | carols | ah, that's great. |
| 20:14.16 | carols | yeah, this one was definitely the ideas page. |
| 20:14.22 | fraggle_ | we have more mentors than that :) |
| 20:14.23 | carols | i would recommend you flesh it out much more for next year. |
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| 20:14.31 | carols | then please list them :-) |
| 20:14.48 | fraggle_ | we will do |
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| 20:14.54 | carols | great. |
| 20:14.58 | carols | thank you for applying! |
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| 20:15.11 | carols | i hope you have a great summer. |
| 20:15.16 | fraggle_ | thks |
| 20:15.24 | carols | cheers :-) |
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| 20:15.26 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is SCL|proxy with notice 'https://github.com/mpictor/StepClassLibrary/wiki/GSoCIdeasforstudents' |
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| 20:15.38 | SCL|proxy | howdy carols, happy long friday! :) |
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| 20:15.44 | SCL|proxy | disclosure: I'm sitting in as a feedback proxy for them since they couldn't make the meeting today |
| 20:15.47 | carols | hi scl proxy folks :-) |
| 20:15.51 | carols | hehe |
| 20:15.51 | carols | ok |
| 20:16.01 | SCL|proxy | i mentored them on their application |
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| 20:16.35 | SCL|proxy | know some of the flaws, but still would like to help them with feedback |
| 20:16.40 | carols | ah, well, that's good. i really like their ideas page and their application. |
| 20:16.47 | carols | let me find some specifics. |
| 20:17.28 | SCL|proxy | I'd e-mailed earlier in the week regarding BRL-CAD if that jogs memory ;) |
| 20:17.43 | carols | indeed it does. |
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| 20:18.08 | carols | so for example, on the application it has "need to establish one" for the irc channel field. |
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| 20:19.12 | carols | and the number of ideas on the ideas page overall is good. |
| 20:19.33 | carols | i would maybe like a little more information about each one, but i *am* really glad that expected results are listed out. |
| 20:20.00 | carols | for example "database persistence" really needs a description if it's going to be on there. |
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| 20:20.27 | SCL|proxy | nods |
| 20:20.56 | carols | the answer to the question on the application about "why are you applying to participate" could have been a bit more concise. |
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| 20:21.08 | carols | i don't feel it really answered the question. |
| 20:21.21 | carols | even though it was quite long. |
| 20:21.26 | SCL|proxy | :) |
| 20:21.37 | carols | that's what sticks out to me |
| 20:21.48 | SCL|proxy | excellent, thank you |
| 20:21.53 | carols | also, again, the same thing I say for most orgs: we had a numbers issue this year. |
| 20:22.00 | carols | so please try again next year :-) |
| 20:22.10 | SCL|proxy | any feedback on involvement under an umbrella? |
| 20:22.21 | carols | whether it's ok or not, you mean? |
| 20:22.24 | SCL|proxy | yes |
| 20:22.44 | SCL|proxy | wait to give it a go next year, or go under wing |
| 20:22.46 | carols | sure, if there's an org participating this year that would like to take scl under their wing, that's just fine with me. |
| 20:23.02 | carols | let me know for when i do slot allocations. |
| 20:23.10 | SCL|proxy | nods, will certainly do |
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| 20:23.29 | carols | awesome. |
| 20:23.34 | carols | thanks for being proxy :-) |
| 20:23.40 | carols | have a nice summer |
| 20:23.41 | SCL|proxy | thank you, as always :) hard day |
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| 20:23.47 | gsocbot | kblin: Next in line is gnucash|jralls with notice 'gnucash http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GSoC2012' |
| 20:23.54 | carols | hi gnucash folks |
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| 20:24.01 | SCL|proxy | waves g'bye |
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| 20:24.11 | mlankhorst | bb |
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| 20:24.24 | gnucash|jralls | Hi, Carol |
| 20:24.49 | gnucash|jralls | Guess I'm bringing up the rear! |
| 20:24.51 | carols | so, a couple things on your app. |
| 20:25.02 | carols | firstly, i would have liked more ideas on your ideas page. |
| 20:25.11 | carols | the ones that are on there are definitely well fleshed out. |
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| 20:25.19 | carols | but there really isn't a great variety or number. |
| 20:25.34 | carols | i would have liked to see more of that. |
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| 20:25.40 | gnucash|jralls | Roger. We don't have very many mentor candidates this year and decided to apply at the last minute. |
| 20:25.51 | carols | alright |
| 20:26.05 | carols | also, I'm hoping you might be ok with being under the gnu project umbrella as well. |
| 20:26.45 | gnucash|jralls | I suppose we could ask, but aside from having "Gnu" in the name and using the GPL we don't have anything to do with them. |
| 20:27.05 | carols | yeah, i know. it's a bit awkward. |
| 20:27.10 | gnucash|jralls | Gnome would actually be a better fit. |
| 20:27.15 | carols | i find myself in awkward positions with all the orgs we have to reject. |
| 20:27.20 | carols | well, gnome would be fine for me too. |
| 20:27.30 | carols | if you decide to go under them just let me know for slot allocations. |
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| 20:27.59 | carols | but in terms of the application, it was mostly your ideas page. |
| 20:28.08 | gnucash|jralls | OK. I'll have to find out who's running things and if they feel they have room. |
| 20:28.16 | carols | alright, we can talk offline about it. |
| 20:28.24 | gnucash|jralls | OK. |
| 20:28.34 | carols | thanks for the application! |
| 20:28.53 | gnucash|jralls | Did you think the student retention statement was OK? Or did we get a pass on that because we participated last year? |
| 20:29.00 | carols | let me check. |
| 20:29.47 | carols | i think it was ok, actually. my notes are mainly about the ideas page. |
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| 20:30.04 | gnucash|jralls | OK, thanks. I kind of expected that. |
| 20:30.15 | carols | i hope you'll try again next year :-) |
| 20:30.15 | gnucash|jralls | Have a good summer. Thanks for the hard work! |
| 20:30.19 | carols | thank you |
| 20:30.22 | kblin | !nextinline |
| 20:30.22 | gsocbot | kblin: There's nobody queued up right now. |
| 20:30.23 | carols | have a good summer yourself |
| 20:30.25 | kblin | yay |
| 20:30.25 | carols | oh wow |
| 20:30.28 | carols | is that it? |
| 20:30.33 | *** mode/#gsoc [-mc] by kblin |
| 20:30.33 | *** mode/#gsoc [+c] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.38 | kblin | apparently |
| 20:30.43 | carols | anyone else can ping kblin now if they want feedback and haven't gotten it. |
| 20:30.49 | carols | oh, or you could just speak. |
| 20:30.52 | mikhas | only took 4.5h |
| 20:30.56 | allman | Congratulations on a marathon meeting! |
| 20:30.59 | carols | indeed. |
| 20:31.06 | |Kev| | carols: Thanks for doing that. We've got a bunch of the Jitsi ideas up on our ideas page now, so they've got a chance to participate anyway. |
| 20:31.12 | carols | =========End of IRC Feedback Session for Reject Organizations============ |
| 20:31.12 | gevaerts | gives a carols a glass of water to recover from the talking |
| 20:31.13 | gnucash|jralls | I said I was bringing up the rear. |
| 20:31.18 | carols | |Kev|: you're welcome. |
| 20:31.19 | mikhas | I am not convinced that this is the most efficient way of providing feedback, TBH. |
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| 20:31.28 | carols | ill stay in here a while longer for anyone else who wants feedback. |
| 20:31.41 | carols | has some tea |
| 20:31.45 | kblin | carols: I hope that wasn't too rash, but I thought the remaining people could just speak up themselves :) |
| 20:31.50 | gnucash|jralls | mikhas, I agree. |
| 20:31.53 | openbts|Crofton | can you give me feedback for openbts? |
| 20:31.54 | carols | kblin: it's just fine. |
| 20:31.56 | mikhas | Often enough, the feedback was very similar and not as specific as some may have hopped. |
| 20:32.02 | carols | openbts|Crofton: yes, just a sec. |
| 20:32.18 | mikhas | I mean, I tried to read through most of the questions and answers here … |
| 20:32.28 | openbts|Crofton | I am not directly associated with the app, bu toffered to forward to the admin, who coudn't be here |
| 20:32.36 | carols | openbts|Crofton: what is the name the org applied under? |
| 20:32.44 | carols | I'm probably just typing it wrong. |
| 20:32.45 | openbts|Crofton | openbts? |
| 20:32.46 | dhaun | mikhas: if they wanted more specific feedback, they could have asked (and some did) |
| 20:32.52 | openbts|Crofton | let me check |
| 20:32.59 | carols | that's the full name, not an acronym? |
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| 20:33.14 | roxy | what is the difference btw possible mentors and potentail mentors? |
| 20:33.19 | brlcad | Open Base Transceiver Station |
| 20:33.24 | carols | brlcad: thanks |
| 20:33.27 | brlcad | np |
| 20:33.34 | openbts|Crofton | ah thanks :) |
| 20:33.46 | Lennie | roxy, they are one and the same |
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| 20:34.41 | carols | Crofton: I'm sorry, i'm sure i'm just being dense, but could you send me a direct link to the app? |
| 20:34.45 | carols | it's been a long morning. |
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| 20:35.17 | Crofton | give me a couple of minutes :) |
| 20:35.20 | carols | thanks |
| 20:35.33 | md_reddy | suppose i like an idea in the ideas page how do i contact the mentors or what should i do next? |
| 20:35.40 | brlcad | hopes someone brought carols lunch |
| 20:36.00 | |Kev| | md_reddy: The ideas page should provide contact details for the mentors. |
| 20:36.04 | carols | md_reddy: the contact info should be on the orgs ideas page or their homepage on melange. |
| 20:36.08 | carols | thanks brlcad |
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| 20:37.10 | carols | has some lunch |
| 20:38.21 | brlcad | carols: so who's the last org that still hasn't filled out a profile? |
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| 20:38.57 | md_reddy | do you guys know how many students generally apply and out of them how many hav been selected ? |
| 20:38.58 | openbts|Crofton | carols, all I can find quickly is https://wush.net/trac/rangepublic/wiki/GSoCIdeasPage |
| 20:39.13 | dhaun | !numapps | md_reddy |
| 20:39.13 | gsocbot | md_reddy: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 20:39.15 | carols | openbts|Crofton: let me look into it. |
| 20:39.16 | openbts|Crofton | do not worry if it is too much trobule, I just offered to help them |
| 20:39.19 | openbts|Crofton | thanks |
| 20:39.44 | DokuWiki|Michitu | I have a more general question: concerning the number of (org) applications I have little hope that will change, so I wonder if it would make sense to find other orgs (for example other wiki projects in our case) and apply together? |
| 20:39.46 | OpenMRS|downey | hmm, someone should update the bot :) |
| 20:39.58 | carols | openbts|Crofton: i have an application for range networks. i assume that's it? |
| 20:40.06 | mlankhorst | OpenMRS|downey: whats wrong with it then? |
| 20:40.09 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 20:40.10 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 20:40.14 | kblin | if only people could make the bot learn new factoids |
| 20:40.14 | openbts|Crofton | that would be it |
| 20:40.37 | carols | openbts|Crofton: ok. this one was about the ideas page as well. i would expect quite a few more ideas on the list as a whole, firstly. |
| 20:40.51 | openbts|Crofton | ok |
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| 20:41.12 | carols | also, on the application, simply subscribing a student to a mailing list and announcing your participation in gsoc is not a way to get them to stay a long-term contributor. |
| 20:41.39 | carols | and the answer about disappearing students was also disappointing. |
| 20:42.06 | carols | so those were the things that we had problems with. |
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| 20:42.25 | openbts|Crofton | thanks, I will post that to the openbts list |
| 20:42.51 | openbts|Crofton | I did work on the gnuradio app, and you mentioned you hoped we would work through the gnu project |
| 20:43.03 | carols | yep |
| 20:43.03 | openbts|Crofton | does anyone know how that process would work? |
| 20:43.08 | carols | contact them :-) |
| 20:43.14 | md_reddy | So according to the stats 1/3 of the students applied were selected approx. Am i right ? |
| 20:43.53 | openbts|Crofton | I believe the GNU contact emailed them and did not get an naswer :( |
| 20:44.02 | openbts|Crofton | I'll ping him again |
| 20:44.05 | carols | well, we've all been busy. |
| 20:44.07 | carols | try again. |
| 20:44.11 | carols | needs a break |
| 20:44.20 | carols | is anyone shows up wanting feedback, please ask them to email me. |
| 20:44.24 | |Kev| | carols: Please take one. |
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| 20:44.31 | carols | ill be back later. |
| 20:44.31 | |Kev| | I'm tired just watching. |
| 20:44.34 | stefanct | md_reddy: basically, but dont take those data points too serious. there are many bogus applications |
| 20:44.34 | carols | cheers everyone. |
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| 20:45.26 | stefanct | hm. i had one late feedback question too... damn :) |
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| 20:45.42 | kblin | stefanct: email :) |
| 20:46.42 | |Kev| | kblin: Thank you too :) |
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| 20:47.04 | md_reddy | I am a total new bue to gsoc and open source , i know languages like c,c++,java but havent done any open source projects on them. so do i stand a chance when i apply to any project ? |
| 20:47.11 | md_reddy | *newbie |
| 20:47.29 | |Kev| | From that description, probably. |
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| 20:48.11 | therealmarv | md_reddy: I was the same as you last year. And this year I'm even a mentor. Yes you have a chance! |
| 20:48.37 | denials | md_reddy: dive into the project, fix a bug or two to show what you know, and that will increase your chances |
| 20:49.27 | Michitux | md_reddy: the idea of gsoc is to get people into opensource, if only people who are already involved in opensource had a chance, that would somehow contradict the goal |
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| 20:50.47 | md_reddy | Thanks :-) |
| 20:51.24 | Michitux | md_reddy: and orgs are also looking for new (long-term) developers, if you are already active in the org you aren't new and if you are already active in another project chances are that you will rather stick to that other project |
| 20:52.14 | Michitux | md_reddy: so if you can demonstrate them that you can interact with their community and understand their code and can meet their expectations in terms of knowledge, code quality etc. I think being new to opensource is no disadvantage |
| 20:52.50 | kblin | |Kev|: whatever's needed to make things more smooth for carol :) |
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| 20:53.30 | Michitux | maybe somebody could change the topic in order to not to confuse orgs looking for feedback? |
| 20:53.50 | md_reddy | Thanks Michitux :) it was really helful |
| 20:53.52 | kblin | ah, right |
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| 20:54.09 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. |
| 20:54.19 | kblin | hmm |
| 20:54.24 | kblin | actually... |
| 20:54.54 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> http://www.google-melange.com Google Summer of Code 2012 has started! Accepted organizations have been announced. You can check out the timeline: http://goo.gl/FQb2b and the FAQs: http://goo.gl/Lh4R8 for more information. | If your org was rejected and you want to find out why, email carols |
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| 21:01.08 | kblin | hmm |
| 21:01.17 | kblin | ~queue |
| 21:01.17 | ibot | Innovative load-balancing/batch-processing system and rsh replacement. URL: http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu/~wkrebs/queue.html |
| 21:01.17 | gsocbot|test | kblin: Error: "queue" is not a valid command. |
| 21:01.25 | kblin | pff |
| 21:02.21 | kblin | ~queue |
| 21:02.21 | ibot | Innovative load-balancing/batch-processing system and rsh replacement. URL: http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu/~wkrebs/queue.html |
| 21:02.21 | gsocbot|test | kblin: I queued you at position 1 in the queue |
| 21:02.31 | kblin | ~showqueue |
| 21:02.31 | gsocbot|test | kblin: You're currently at queue position 0 |
| 21:02.37 | kblin | hm, almost |
| 21:03.24 | cemycc | :) |
| 21:06.43 | kblin | ~nextinline |
| 21:06.43 | gsocbot|test | kblin: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
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| 21:06.47 | kblin | great... |
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| 21:14.01 | kblin | .names |
| 21:14.03 | kblin | er |
| 21:14.28 | kblin | can some op who isn't me try ~nextinline, please? |
| 21:14.55 | allman | ~nextinline |
| 21:14.55 | gsocbot|test | allman: Error: You don't have the #gsoc,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 21:15.23 | allman | ~nextinline |
| 21:15.23 | gsocbot|test | allman: Error: You don't have the #gsoc,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 21:15.28 | kblin | durn |
| 21:15.33 | kblin | that's what I thought |
| 21:15.35 | allman | exactly |
| 21:15.47 | kblin | back to the drawing book on that one |
| 21:15.47 | allman | :( |
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| 21:16.26 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: as sweet and childlike as drawing book sounds, it's drawing board |
| 21:16.43 | |Kev| | I brought crayons! |
| 21:17.10 | MatthewWilkes | aww, I don't get to go to casablanca this year! The realisation just hit me! |
| 21:17.19 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: whatever |
| 21:17.32 | kblin | I'm a bit space constrained though |
| 21:17.39 | kblin | so I'll still take the book |
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| 21:17.59 | |Kev| | hands kblin a colouring-in book. |
| 21:18.02 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: :) Just trying to help, idioms can be hard to get right, I know |
| 21:18.02 | |Kev| | Try to stay between the lines! |
| 21:18.04 | kblin | yay |
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| 21:18.13 | kblin | nibbles on the crayons |
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| 21:19.59 | |Kev| | My wife has just glanced over at my irssi window and announced "You've all regressed back to childhood, haven't you?". |
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| 21:20.34 | allman | which is bad why? ;) |
| 21:20.45 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: I assert that I never left it, and as evidence, submit my choice in ice cream |
| 21:20.55 | gevaerts | |Kev|: "regressed" seems to imply having left it at some point |
| 21:21.15 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Has she seen last year's chocolate table? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wo1_ATcqEMU/Tsvk4M0QG4I/AAAAAAAAAZg/yLMqkaEt15I/s1600/image00.jpg |
| 21:21.43 | meflin | is childish and snafs more chocolate |
| 21:21.44 | kblin | man, I forgor how much the supybot documentation sucks |
| 21:21.51 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: <wife> Wow. |
| 21:22.13 | |Kev| | She's now standing over me staring at my monitor. |
| 21:22.17 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 21:22.22 | |Kev| | I *think* she's salivating on my shoulder. |
| 21:22.24 | meflin | I would wave chocolate at wife but I finaly ate the last peice yesterday for my b-day |
| 21:23.21 | meflin | I flew home with quite a few bars of more then excelent :D |
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| 21:29.49 | downey | kblin: this one? http://supybook.fealdia.org/latest/ |
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| 21:30.50 | downey | kblin: ah, yeah. +1 |
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| 21:35.05 | allman | ttfn |
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| 21:46.28 | [steve] | I was just informed that I have to create a profile so that I can be invited to be an alternate Org Admin. The individual who instructed me to do this does not know how. And I see nothing helpful at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012. Help would be appreciated. |
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| 21:46.59 | schumaml | ah, the Ritter collection |
| 21:47.25 | schumaml | lives 8km from Waldenbuch, their HQ |
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| 21:49.00 | kblin | schumaml: oh? |
| 21:49.16 | kblin | it's a bit further from here, like 25km :) |
| 21:50.03 | |Kev| | [steve]: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 "Mentors: apply now! [Login] or [Register]". I'd start there. |
| 21:52.00 | [steve] | |Kev|: even though I'm not a mentor? |
| 21:52.13 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 21:52.19 | [steve] | |Kev|: thanks |
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| 22:02.40 | hybrid__ | !log |
| 22:02.40 | gsocbot | hybrid__: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 22:02.55 | kblin | !logs | hybrid__ |
| 22:02.55 | gsocbot | hybrid__: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 22:03.02 | hybrid__ | kblin, tx |
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| 22:30.42 | sumanah | Time to respond to a bunch of GSoC aspirants who wrote privately to me instead of talking in IRC/mailing lists. |
| 22:31.19 | allman | sumanah: Good luck! |
| 22:31.26 | sumanah | allman: Thanks! |
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