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| 10:17.04 | YannP | Hi, I'm a french student and this is the first time that I'll try to participate to the gsoc but I don't really how it works. I know that the list of organizations will open March 16th but I don't know how to apply. Do I have to make a list or something that I'll send to Google or contact organizations each? |
| 10:19.01 | wolfb | YannP, the orgs will publish a list of projects that they would think are interesting, you can either apply to one of them, or propose your own idea |
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| 10:19.23 | wolfb | YannP, did you read the studen't guide? |
| 10:20.00 | wolfb | YannP, http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 10:20.58 | YannP | ok thanks a lot, I read this but I may be not understand everything |
| 10:21.06 | YannP | but I'll try again thanks |
| 10:21.41 | gevaerts | YannP: there's a student guide somewhere. Let me have a look |
| 10:21.55 | wolfb | gevaerts, here: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 10:22.10 | gevaerts | Ah, gsocbot knows! |
| 10:22.16 | gevaerts | !studentguide | YannP |
| 10:22.16 | gsocbot | YannP: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 10:22.20 | YannP | yes, wolfb already gave me the link but thanks |
| 10:22.31 | gevaerts | Oh |
| 10:22.34 | gevaerts | missed that |
| 10:22.43 | gevaerts | buys new glasses |
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| 10:38.34 | stefanct | YannP: what kind of stuff are you interested in? |
| 10:42.35 | YannP | I don't know exactly yet, my favorite languages are java and C but i'm also interested to web project |
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| 10:47.05 | YannP | but it depends on the subject |
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| 10:49.22 | stefanct | my question was meant to be targeted on subjects not languages ;) |
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| 10:54.10 | YannP | oh ok, but no I havn't got a specific subject yet, something around Linux but I'm waiting the list |
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| 10:58.16 | stefanct | "around Linux" would mean low-level stuff (or development/support/qa stuff like gitweb) to me |
| 10:59.29 | stefanct | because almost any GSoC project has some relation to linux, if you consider "around Linux" in a broader way :) |
| 11:00.31 | YannP | not low-level i'm not experimented enough to that but something on development for linux application |
| 11:01.13 | YannP | yes, that's what i thought when I wrote it :) |
| 11:01.25 | YannP | I don't know how to say that |
| 11:01.44 | gevaerts | apologises for not applying. We're not related to linux :) |
| 11:03.29 | stefanct | gevaerts: i did not write "all" :P |
| 11:03.50 | gevaerts | stefanct: well, we didn't apply, so maybe it is all this year :) |
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| 11:04.34 | stefanct | oh that was no joke then? why? |
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| 11:05.27 | stefanct | bbl |
| 11:05.38 | gevaerts | Not enough interest. We couldn't get a decent amount of ideas or enough mentors |
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| 11:21.40 | kai | gevaerts: no rocking the box this year? |
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| 13:32.59 | hybrid | !whatis poem |
| 13:32.59 | gsocbot | hybrid: "poem" is (#1) GSoC poem written directly to Google by Celio Turino as a homage to Cleodon Silva (1949-2011) who inspired LabMacambira.sf.net, or (#2) Try #poetry |
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| 13:37.00 | hybrid | !whatis poetry |
| 13:37.01 | gsocbot | hybrid: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
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| 14:24.43 | v1z_ | hybrid: I take it carols is swamped? best of luck to all this week! |
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| 14:26.04 | hybrid | !whatis poem |
| 14:26.05 | gsocbot | hybrid: "poem" is (#1) GSoC poem written directly to Google by Celio Turino as a homage to Cleodon Silva (1949-2011) who inspired LabMacambira.sf.net, or (#2) Try #poetry |
| 14:27.15 | hybrid | v1z_, the poem is kept on this link: http://ubuntuone.com/1Q20Hl7iqMBdPIqfZtYXiU as an official document towards google, from Celio Turino himself |
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| 14:39.22 | v1z_ | hybrid: very cool! something nice on its own. keep crossing your fingers, that the best interests of everyone must get done. G is not for government ;) good luck again |
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| 17:47.27 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:47.30 | carols | happy monday everyone |
| 17:47.36 | anth_x | mmm, good idea. |
| 17:47.39 | JordiGH | <-- Garfield |
| 17:48.23 | kblin | carols: hey there |
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| 17:48.28 | carols | hey kblin |
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| 17:48.58 | gevaerts | Yay, tea! |
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| 17:49.40 | kblin | carols: if I can bother you with an annoying policy question on a monday morning.. recently we've had two bots in here that started chatting every time someone posted an URL |
| 17:50.08 | carols | kblin: alright. should i talk to freenode? |
| 17:50.11 | kblin | after some other people complained, I kicked the first one, and silenced the second one earlier this moment |
| 17:50.17 | kblin | s/moment/morning/ |
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| 17:50.56 | kblin | well, I'd just like to suggest a channel policy of only accepting bots that only talk when asked, and that have a contact in their /whois output |
| 17:51.21 | JordiGH | I hope nobody asks me to fill out a captcha... |
| 17:51.58 | kblin | I think we've got enough ops to keep on top of any violating bots for now :) |
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| 17:52.33 | carols | inded :-) |
| 17:52.33 | kblin | and to lead by example, I've already fixed up gsocbot to tell people that it's run by me in it's /whois info |
| 17:53.34 | kblin | I think people in general are pretty reasonable, and I'm happy to discuss the benefit of adding more bots in here if people feel the need. but I'd like to know who to talk to if a bot starts annoying users |
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| 17:54.18 | JordiGH | A chatbot may not ignore a human or, through inaction, allow a human to have an unanswered query. |
| 17:54.31 | JordiGH | A chatbot must respond to any trigger from a human, except when the trigger conflicts the First Law. |
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| 17:55.42 | dfighter | uh oh back to the foundation serious, JordiGH? |
| 17:55.52 | dfighter | do you have a positronic brain too? |
| 17:56.14 | kblin | JordiGH: I've got an alias to +q people in here. it's usually for the time around the student deadlines when tempers are flaring, but it's useful on other occasions, too |
| 17:56.45 | JordiGH | kblin: Wait, are you saying you don't think I'm funny at all? |
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| 17:56.56 | JordiGH | kblin: Or is the +q for bots? |
| 17:57.15 | kblin | JordiGH: no, I'm just saying that bots that annoy users can be dealt with quickly |
| 17:57.27 | JordiGH | Ah, ok, I thought you were subtly telling me to stfu. :-) |
| 17:58.06 | kblin | JordiGH: I'm not that easily annoyed, and I usually am a bit less subtle if I really think people need to stfu :) |
| 17:58.19 | JordiGH | k |
| 18:00.00 | kblin | I'm pretty sure the channel log has some examples ;) |
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| 18:47.09 | platzhirsch | yay, just 4 days left until the organizations are announced *sweaty* |
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| 18:56.22 | carols | platzhirsch: what org are you with? |
| 18:56.56 | platzhirsch | carols: none, I am a would-be student |
| 18:57.03 | carols | ah, i see |
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| 18:57.19 | Nightrose | carols: am i right to assume that it is ok to have a mentor from one of the countries on the not-so-good list - just not students and orgs? |
| 18:57.48 | platzhirsch | I've started to look up some organizations who are collecting ideas, but I think I won't start diving into it until I know who is accepted |
| 18:57.57 | carols | Nightrose: um, i'll need to check our mentor agreement. i can't remember if our lawyers rules out embargoed countries for mentors as well or not. |
| 18:58.13 | Nightrose | carols: ok |
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| 19:01.39 | zzamboni | carols: is there a list somewhere of all the organization applications? |
| 19:01.53 | zzamboni | or at least org names |
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| 19:03.54 | carols | zzamboni: no. |
| 19:04.03 | zzamboni | ok |
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| 19:31.53 | hybrid_ | carols, because of GSoC, on the past days, there are two letter written to Google itself that are quite honorable. i've put them here: http://ln-s.net/9mfv . There is even a poem and an artistic text, from some of Brazil's most notorious people |
| 19:32.23 | carols | hybrid_: thanks for that. i'll look them over. |
| 19:32.39 | gevaerts | isn't sure if "notorious" is the word to use here :) |
| 19:32.53 | hybrid_ | more letters are to come today, it turned out as a wave for our inscription an cultura viva and social movements |
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| 19:33.25 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, what word would u use. help us :-) |
| 19:35.01 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, read some of the letters, i didn't write them. it is as strange and positive as it came |
| 19:35.52 | gevaerts | hybrid_: "notorious" does mean "well known", but it tends to imply one is well known for not so admirable reasons |
| 19:36.14 | denials | hybrid_: "notable" and/or "highly esteemed" probably fits better |
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| 19:39.02 | spectie | o/ hey all |
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| 19:40.03 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, denials tx alot. we usually see translation at the end of http://pontaopad.me/macambira and if u could please touch the wiki at the end of our GSoC page http://wiki.nosdigitais.teia.org.br/GSoC |
| 19:41.15 | spectie | there are some improvements you could make to the translation |
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| 19:41.21 | spectie | apelido -> surname |
| 19:41.41 | spectie | anonimous -> anonymous |
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| 19:42.11 | spectie | "que sigue em sua luta" -> "that keep up their struggle" |
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| 19:42.43 | spectie | softwares e códigos abertos -> software and open source (these are not plural in english) |
| 19:43.01 | spectie | "Uma vida que renasce" -> "A life that is reborn" |
| 19:45.02 | spectie | hybrid_, a question, the third person forms, e.g. "Vence a fome" is this supposed to be imperative or present indicative ? |
| 19:45.04 | JordiGH | Open source coadz. |
| 19:45.18 | spectie | JordiGH, o/ |
| 19:45.20 | spectie | sup |
| 19:45.21 | JordiGH | \o |
| 19:46.10 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, denials spectie i want to translate the letter from tainã now. If u guys help a little it will be our gift to Mocambos and Tainã. I will start to translate at the end of: http://pontaopad.me/macambira line 1003 |
| 19:46.33 | spectie | i don't really have much time, i just wanted to fix some obvious errors |
| 19:47.10 | spectie | i don't really speak portuguese either |
| 19:47.19 | spectie | but it's fairly similar to spanish |
| 19:47.40 | JordiGH | Heh, it's funny how everyone wants to pluralise softwares. :-/ |
| 19:47.52 | JordiGH | This is my funny face :-\ |
| 19:48.09 | spectie | hybrid_, "dureza" is better as "hardness", 'hardiness' means "resistencía/fuerza" |
| 19:48.30 | spectie | "fuerteza" if that is a word |
| 19:48.48 | JordiGH | Fortaleza? |
| 19:48.59 | spectie | yeah, fortaleza |
| 19:49.01 | spectie | that sounds more like it |
| 19:49.08 | spectie | :D |
| 19:49.22 | spectie | irregularity D: |
| 19:49.26 | JordiGH | That's Spanish, though. |
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| 19:49.29 | spectie | JordiGH, 'researches' is another frequent one |
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| 19:49.31 | hybrid_ | where is the log from this room? |
| 19:49.35 | JordiGH | Monophthingastion. |
| 19:49.38 | spectie | sure, but i bet the portuguese is similar |
| 19:49.50 | automata | hey hybrid_ |
| 19:50.08 | JordiGH | spectie: From Latin languages? Disquisitiones? |
| 19:50.27 | spectie | investigaciones |
| 19:50.36 | spectie | hybrid_, not sure if there is one |
| 19:51.00 | spectie | hybrid_, and you can translate "em defensa de" as "in defence of" |
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| 19:51.24 | JordiGH | Honourable documents written to Google? |
| 19:51.39 | spectie | that sounds like something out of an anime |
| 19:51.44 | hybrid_ | automata, we are on the way to translating the letter from taina. some friends here can better the English, like 'hoch deutsch' |
| 19:52.04 | JordiGH | Google-san, honourable documents for great glory are written to you! |
| 19:52.06 | automata | incredible |
| 19:52.16 | spectie | JordiGH, XD |
| 19:52.27 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, XD +! |
| 19:52.48 | hybrid_ | gsocbot, whatis poem |
| 19:52.48 | gsocbot | hybrid_: "poem" is (#1) GSoC poem written directly to Google by Celio Turino as a homage to Cleodon Silva (1949-2011) who inspired LabMacambira.sf.net, or (#2) Try #poetry |
| 19:53.02 | automata | lol |
| 19:53.04 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:53.52 | JordiGH | Make Paulo Coelho write a blogpost about why whatever should be a part of GSoC. |
| 19:54.45 | hybrid_ | automata, friends, there are lots of errors in the text surrounding these documents and in the lest section of this page http://ln-s.net/9mfv |
| 19:55.03 | JordiGH | hybrid_: Seriously, what did you mean to say with "honourable"? |
| 19:55.07 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, he might take it as cool |
| 19:55.15 | spectie | JordiGH, Respectful |
| 19:55.16 | spectie | perhaps |
| 19:55.19 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, where? |
| 19:55.26 | JordiGH | hybrid_: "Honourable documents". |
| 19:55.37 | JordiGH | I can't calque that back into Spanish. |
| 19:55.40 | hybrid_ | spectie, yes and highly esteemed |
| 19:55.46 | JordiGH | The documents are esteemed? |
| 19:55.54 | spectie | JordiGH, Documentos respectuosos |
| 19:55.56 | JordiGH | Shouldn't Google be highly esteemed, not the documents? |
| 19:55.57 | spectie | sounds _weird_ |
| 19:55.58 | hybrid_ | the represent it |
| 19:56.17 | automata | JordiGH, maybe documents written by esteemed persons |
| 19:56.36 | spectie | Se presenta respectuosamente, algunos documentos escritos por unos muy estimados redactores |
| 19:56.36 | JordiGH | spectie: If it was calqued, I don't think respeituosos or whatever was the source. |
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| 19:57.24 | hybrid_ | represent how our networks and 'do-ers' thank we're so cool. These documents are written by people that our social movements like, and by real leaders |
| 19:57.29 | JordiGH | hybrid_: If you're serious about this, you need to make the English sound *very* good. Humans immediately assume, subconsciously, that anyone who doesn't speak their language well must be stupid. |
| 19:58.12 | spectie | well, "most humans" |
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| 19:58.33 | gevaerts | Indeed. I only have that reflex if people *write* badly :) |
| 19:59.26 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, ok got u. this is a proposal for helping on it? this is quite cool and we are doing the best we can with it |
| 20:00.06 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I don't speak Portuguese, only Spanish, so I wouldn't attempt a translation into English. |
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| 20:00.14 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, the letter from 'puraque' is a really bad translation schlecht |
| 20:00.29 | gevaerts | points out that stuff to sell gsoc organisations to google should have been polished last week |
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| 20:00.48 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, ok, but u can correct formal language mistakes |
| 20:00.49 | spectie | gevaerts, sure, we all got our applications in on time |
| 20:01.04 | spectie | gevaerts, because we know about deadlines and stuff :P |
| 20:01.11 | JordiGH | gevaerts: This is a big production to get a late application in. |
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| 20:02.43 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I'm not feeling very hopeful for you. I have never heard of your organisation, can't recognise any of the software you're talking about, and writing poetry to Google doesn't sound very convincing. I don't know what to recommend, but at the very least get the English right. |
| 20:03.16 | spectie | a year is not a long time to wait |
| 20:03.17 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I can't correct your English because I don't know what the original intent is. |
| 20:03.21 | spectie | in the scheme of things |
| 20:04.12 | hybrid_ | spectie, for sure |
| 20:05.00 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, if the intention is not clear, these representatives can be contacted by phone or in person |
| 20:05.19 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I'm not making long distance calls to fix your English. |
| 20:05.55 | JordiGH | But if you fly me to Brazil to meet the people who wrote this, I might consider it. |
| 20:06.28 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, yeah! :-) thats about it |
| 20:07.32 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, keep in touch in #labmacambira room, many things are to come. This letters are autonomous social behavior about us and about Brazil |
| 20:08.13 | gevaerts | You get into gsoc by technical merit (and meeting deadlines), not by letter-writing campaigns |
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| 20:08.39 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I don't want to sound cruel, but I'm not personally interested in your organisation. |
| 20:08.57 | hybrid_ | i am just doing my best as these are important stuff, kinda historic moment in Brazil |
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| 20:09.41 | hybrid_ | the cultura viva is suffering funding cuts and was a very prolific pres. Lula's action |
| 20:10.03 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, it reaches 8,4 million people, 5% of Brazil |
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| 20:10.30 | hybrid_ | simply doesnt interests you? ok, but it is important for us |
| 20:10.30 | JordiGH | Your IRC channel is smaller than my org's. |
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| 20:10.57 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, thats cool! congrats, where is the org |
| 20:11.22 | JordiGH | #octave |
| 20:12.08 | JordiGH | And we're fairly small, in the grand scheme of things. |
| 20:12.23 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, WoW cool |
| 20:12.40 | JordiGH | We're not as big as KDE or Gnome or the Apache Software Foundation. |
| 20:13.19 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, for sure. We develop Scilab and use lost of numpy family libs in python |
| 20:13.35 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, i will be hanging in your room as a while |
| 20:13.36 | JordiGH | Scilab has already applied. |
| 20:13.52 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, for sure ;-) |
| 20:14.01 | JordiGH | Sylvestre Ledru is in charge of that, I think. He's a pal. |
| 20:14.11 | JordiGH | Numpy is also applying independently, I think. |
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| 20:14.26 | v1z_ | hybrid_: not to mention labmacambira.sf.net contributes and authors to several projects each of them with their own irc channels |
| 20:14.58 | v1z_ | e.g. #dataflow |
| 20:15.11 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, i personally prefer numpy, v1z_ is the scipy guru |
| 20:15.35 | kblin | if I was you, I'd get in touch with related orgs that might have applied and see if you can get project proposals you care about in via those orgs |
| 20:15.48 | hybrid_ | I will be there so we can chat about their developments |
| 20:15.48 | JordiGH | Yeah, sage advice from kblin. |
| 20:15.59 | JordiGH | And next year, get the application in time! |
| 20:16.05 | JordiGH | Don't bother writing poetry. |
| 20:16.21 | hybrid_ | kblin, JordiGH this is a fantastic Idea we should link with AA http://wiki.nosdigitais.teia.org.br/AA |
| 20:16.43 | ubuntu_love | i second you kblin |
| 20:17.13 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Third, you mean. I already seconded. |
| 20:17.15 | hybrid_ | kblin, JordiGH who wrote poetry was a famous politician, not LabMacambira.sf.net |
| 20:18.01 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I'm sure even if Nelson Mandela wrote some poetry for Google to accept Lab Macambira into GSoC, it wouldn't do much. |
| 20:18.32 | hybrid_ | kblin, JordiGH anyway with using other org's mentorings, we can use it through AA to keep trac of hacking hours and paying them per hour for whom wants to hack |
| 20:18.45 | JordiGH | What? |
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| 20:19.17 | JordiGH | Google pays students individually, regardless of how much time they spend working. |
| 20:19.22 | ubuntu_love | is there anyone here participating for the first time in gsoc? |
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| 20:19.31 | JordiGH | They don't give the money directly to the org, at least, not most of it. |
| 20:19.45 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: I think so. |
| 20:20.00 | ubuntu_love | what about you?? first time?? |
| 20:20.12 | JordiGH | Me?? I'm not sure!! |
| 20:20.15 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, directly to the person u mean, no org hacks for hours, ppl do |
| 20:20.28 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
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| 20:21.49 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: am actually new to this. can you give me a quick guide? |
| 20:21.52 | hybrid_ | with the use of AA, hacking sessions are documented resulting in videos and written timed logs: 700 AA videos , the logs: http://hera.ethymos.com.br:1080/paainel/casca/ |
| 20:22.06 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: A quick guide for what? |
| 20:22.28 | v1z_ | kblin's idea was a good one to consider. it's all good, guys. relax |
| 20:22.29 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: How to participate in GSoC as a student? |
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| 20:23.07 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: yeah.. and i havent chatted in irc before.. this is the first time. so i need the desciplines to be followed in the chat.. |
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| 20:23.43 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: and also about the gsoc |
| 20:24.07 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: You're doing fine in chat. As to how to participate as a student, does the FAQ help? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 20:24.21 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: did you read the FAQ yet? and the student guide? |
| 20:24.31 | dhaun | !studentguide | ubuntu_love |
| 20:24.31 | gsocbot | ubuntu_love: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 20:24.44 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: i was actually scared in the beginning of the conversation. |
| 20:24.54 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, with the use of AA, hacking sessions are documented resulting in videos and written timed logs: 700 AA videos , the logs: http://hera.ethymos.com.br:1080/paainel/casca/ |
| 20:24.58 | dhaun | hmm, that's the old location, isn't it? |
| 20:25.08 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I'm not interested, thanks. |
| 20:25.17 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: i thought i would be interrupting your conversation |
| 20:25.24 | dhaun | gsocbot learn studentguide as http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:25.25 | gsocbot | dhaun: "studentguide" is (#1) http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/, or (#2) http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:25.30 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Concurrent conversations are fine in IRC. |
| 20:25.42 | dhaun | gsocbot forget studentguide 1 |
| 20:25.42 | gsocbot | dhaun: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 20:26.32 | v1z_ | JordiGH: hybrid_ meant scilab not scipy above; nothing gainst octave, to the countrary |
| 20:26.35 | v1z_ | ;) |
| 20:26.59 | JordiGH | The Scilab guys are friends. |
| 20:27.05 | JordiGH | They're our distant French cousins. |
| 20:27.11 | JordiGH | Good people. Funny accents. |
| 20:27.15 | v1z_ | ;) |
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| 20:27.29 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: fine. have you already participated in gsoc before? |
| 20:27.46 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Yes, last year I mentored for Octave. |
| 20:28.25 | v1z_ | That's a fsf high priority project, must win. period. ;) |
| 20:29.44 | JordiGH | Well, Scilab's commitment to Matlab compatibility doesn't seem to be as strong as Octave's. If you don't need Matlab compatibility, Scilab is great. I personally prefer Scipy. However, if you want someone who is actually chasing after the horrible, horrible Matlab language, that is Octave. :-) |
| 20:30.21 | v1z_ | JordiGH: horrible languages are excellent for quick n dirty scientific prototyping of ideas |
| 20:30.31 | v1z_ | that's why I hesitate on scipy .. |
| 20:30.39 | JordiGH | No, they're not. You don't need a horrible language: http://abandonmatlab.wordpress.com/ |
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| 20:31.26 | v1z_ | u develop a solution, u throw it away, u write your final system in C++. |
| 20:31.35 | v1z_ | freedom. |
| 20:31.39 | LetterRip | heh |
| 20:31.57 | JordiGH | But a lot of people don't throw it away. |
| 20:32.01 | JordiGH | There's tons of Matlab code out there. |
| 20:32.06 | JordiGH | There needs to be a way free to run it. |
| 20:32.15 | JordiGH | Free code needs a free platform. |
| 20:32.25 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: and this year? |
| 20:32.27 | v1z_ | JordiGH: like scilab, octave, and python |
| 20:32.44 | v1z_ | the first two being fairly quick n dirty langs. |
| 20:32.56 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Applying again, wish us luck. |
| 20:32.58 | downey | !next |
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| 20:33.00 | gsocbot | downey: "next" is Mar 16 - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site. |
| 20:33.27 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: good luck for gsoc 2012.. |
| 20:33.35 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Thanks. |
| 20:33.47 | LetterRip | JordiGH i think thGH is octave api compatible with matlab? |
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| 20:34.28 | JordiGH | LetterRip: There's an implementation of mex in Octave, but our own API is nothing like Matlab's. |
| 20:34.45 | v1z_ | JordiGH: best of luck again, octave deserves it, we need an end to matlab, even big companies can't take it |
| 20:34.48 | v1z_ | no more |
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| 20:34.55 | LetterRip | ah |
| 20:35.03 | JordiGH | I don't have anything against big companies. Scilab gets a lot of corporate sponsorship. |
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| 20:35.39 | v1z_ | JordiGH: me neither, I meant that big companies can't afford to keep using Matlab. it sucks and is expensive. |
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| 20:36.11 | JordiGH | I got nothing against software being expensive either. We want to charge money for Octave too. |
| 20:36.45 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: if you dont mind, can you please tell me, how to start contributing to open source projects? i am really interested in that. |
| 20:36.55 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Which one do you like? |
| 20:37.02 | v1z_ | JordiGH: Matlab is way too exxpensive. |
| 20:37.14 | JordiGH | v1z_: So don't buy it. |
| 20:37.14 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: which one in sense? |
| 20:37.41 | v1z_ | JordiGH: right. therefore octave must win gsoc, period ;) |
| 20:38.03 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: You have to work on what you like, since most of the time you'll be working as a volunteer. You have to absolutely think that working on a project is the best thing you can do with your free time, and you have to believe that the project you're working on is worth your free time. |
| 20:39.09 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Once you find something you like, start using it. Find something you *don't* like about it. |
| 20:39.17 | JordiGH | Then start to investigate how to fix that. |
| 20:39.41 | JordiGH | That involves talking to the people who made it, reading the bug tracker, reading its source code, trying to modify the source code... |
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| 20:41.04 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: i came across lots of stuffs. the gnome-love was my first one. but the advise i found was to start as a bug reporter. but am interested in coding. |
| 20:41.29 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Okay, have you started looking at the code? |
| 20:41.39 | JordiGH | marinaz: Someone for you, perhaps. |
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| 20:42.56 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: nope. i came across the source control management. the git. we need to check in and out the codes right? |
| 20:43.19 | JordiGH | Heh |
| 20:43.20 | JordiGH | The git. |
| 20:43.26 | ubuntu_love | but am not having a firm hold of how to start and what i must do in order to start |
| 20:43.49 | v1z_ | ubuntu_love: JordiGitHates, got it? |
| 20:44.10 | Catfish_Man | v1z_: you missed what he said entirely |
| 20:44.25 | ubuntu_love | oops! |
| 20:44.47 | Catfish_Man | ubuntu_love: is your problem with getting the code or working on it? |
| 20:44.59 | Catfish_Man | finding git tutorials online is not hard if it's the former |
| 20:45.14 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: If you need to use git, there's (sadly) a lot of documentation out there for how to do it. But for now it should be enough to do "git clone git://some.git.url" and you can start reading the code there. There are probably also instructions for how to build the code so you can test locally. |
| 20:45.52 | v1z_ | ubuntu_love: I recommend Linus' Tech Talk for the motivation part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8&feature=player_embedded |
| 20:45.53 | Gentlecat | why sadly? |
| 20:46.35 | Catfish_Man | Gentlecat: a tool that doesn't require tons of documentation would be nicer :) |
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| 20:47.25 | summatusmentis | git's UI is... pretty awful |
| 20:47.36 | ubuntu_love | vlz |
| 20:47.47 | ubuntu_love | vlz: so tell me about you.. |
| 20:48.23 | v1z_ | ubuntu_love: ok. well, my nick could be git_love ... |
| 20:48.38 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: have you contributed to such projects? |
| 20:49.14 | ubuntu_love | vlz_: hope this is not your first time in gsoc. rt? |
| 20:50.13 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: are you a studnet looking to participate in gsoc? |
| 20:51.20 | ubuntu_love | LetterRip_:yep, you?? |
| 20:51.27 | LetterRip_ | mentor for Blender |
| 20:51.29 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Yes. Have scattered patches all over the place. I mostly work on Octave nowadays, though. |
| 20:51.48 | hybrid_ | automata, the link for the TC'letter of the African tradition was wrong. It opened the native-americans one, can u check them pls? http://ln-s.net/9mfv |
| 20:52.35 | JordiGH | LetterRip_: Is Blender still very much a Dutch thing? |
| 20:52.39 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: in general all of the projects want to see the same thing - 1) the studnet can compile their project 2) the studnet can understand the code without a lot of hand holding 3) the studnet can generate good quality patches that implement useful fixes and features |
| 20:52.47 | automata | hybrid_, wich one? the last? |
| 20:52.49 | JordiGH | LetterRip_: Also, I want a feature-length version of Sintel! |
| 20:52.54 | automata | which* |
| 20:53.06 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: is there offers like working on a project and getting an internship in that company? |
| 20:53.22 | hybrid_ | yeah, check all five letters pls |
| 20:53.26 | LetterRip_ | best way to demonstrate the above is to create a patch which fixes a bug or two or three and submit it to their patch tracker |
| 20:53.45 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Most free software orgs are not a commercial company and have no employees or only enough to do some administrative non-programming tasks. |
| 20:54.29 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: However, a lot of commercial work does get done on free software. I'm currently employed by someone unrelated to Octave who nevertheless wants Octave to work, so my current employer allows me to work on Octave. |
| 20:54.35 | ubuntu_love | LetterRip_: that was a good piece of info. how do the mentoring organization expect us to give the project proposals? should it be only innovative? |
| 20:54.56 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: for getting hired by those open source projects that do do hiring - you generally need to demonstrate rock star coding skills for a reasonable period of time |
| 20:55.12 | JordiGH | "Rock star" is starting to get overused. |
| 20:55.21 | Catfish_Man | it was starting to get overused the day it was first used |
| 20:55.29 | ubuntu_love | LetterRip_: and whats the criteria for selecting the student's application? |
| 20:55.49 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: the orgs have idea pages - you can usually just pick one of the proposed ideas |
| 20:56.09 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: what about companies like the hp? they have open source projects na? |
| 20:56.28 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Hewlet-Packard? I think some of their employees submit Linux patches. |
| 20:57.00 | dhaun | HP now has WebOS as open source - I guess that would be a fun project :) |
| 20:57.30 | JordiGH | can't pronounce the name of that OS without snickering. |
| 20:57.33 | JordiGH | speaks Spanish. |
| 20:57.44 | dhaun | doesn't |
| 20:57.50 | summatusmentis | dhaun: "now" is a little bit premature |
| 20:58.15 | dhaun | summatusmentis: right, only parts right now, IIRC |
| 20:58.19 | summatusmentis | indeed |
| 20:58.23 | ubuntu_love | dhaun: so is there any opportunity of working on that and getting an internship? |
| 20:58.24 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: criteria are generally a well written proposal that follows the guidelines provided; that demonstrates you understand the task you propose to do and have realistic goals and expectations of what you can accomplish |
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| 20:58.41 | summatusmentis | also, "webos" rhymes with "huevos" which has alternative colloquial meaning in spanish |
| 20:59.01 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: GSoC is not an internship |
| 20:59.11 | JordiGH | summatusmentis: With Spanish phonology, it's a homophone. |
| 20:59.42 | summatusmentis | JordiGH: yes, ok, that's true |
| 20:59.48 | ubuntu_love | dhaun: i know that. i asked that question in general. not with respect to gsoc |
| 21:00.14 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: well, I'm not HP nor do I work for them, so I can't answer that question |
| 21:00.21 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: You'll have to submit your CV to HP if you want to work directly with them. |
| 21:00.28 | summatusmentis | I'd be very, very surprised if HP was hiring webOS interns |
| 21:00.42 | summatusmentis | given that they just got rid of a bunch of webOS jobs |
| 21:01.05 | ubuntu_love | what are the other companies which allows open source contribution? |
| 21:01.31 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: There's many, many companies who work on free software. |
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| 21:01.43 | ubuntu_love | dhaun: are you a mentor? |
| 21:01.46 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Even Microsoft make free code nowadays. |
| 21:02.05 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: If you want to work *only* on free software, well, that's more difficult. :-) |
| 21:02.06 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: no microsoft!!! |
| 21:02.09 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: if we're accepted, I will be :) |
| 21:02.41 | v1z | feeling nauseous |
| 21:03.45 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: i have to idea of contributing something to a company and getting an internship as a reward. that why i asked about it. |
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| 21:04.21 | ubuntu_love | dhaun: mentor for? |
| 21:04.30 | summatusmentis | ubuntu_love: if you can demonstrate success at GSoC, companies like to see that |
| 21:04.32 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: Geeklog |
| 21:05.02 | stefanct | ubuntu_love: usually you dont get an internship directly as an award but if someone sees that you are doing good work, then there may be offers for internships or job offers... |
| 21:05.03 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Most companies do not accept code like that. I know Facebook has several competitions and similar things where they will consider to hire you if you perform well in them. They also maintain a list of programming tasks that you can submit to be considered. |
| 21:05.47 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: is there any other way of getting a summer intern? |
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| 21:06.09 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Send your CV to the company. |
| 21:06.40 | LetterRip_ | this is a little funny/strange - a project i've never heard of has submitted an application to gsoc - and would like us to be their umbrella organiation' but as far as i know - never even asked us - |
| 21:06.41 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Attend college fairs, if you're enrolled in a university that has them. |
| 21:07.00 | JordiGH | LetterRip_: How did you learn about this? |
| 21:07.18 | automata | hybrid_, the last one is in pt-br |
| 21:07.22 | v1z | ubuntu_love: I second JordiGH |
| 21:07.42 | automata | hybrid_, the letter is unbelievable! |
| 21:07.57 | LetterRip_ | was googling for our wiki page related to gsoc and they were one of hte results |
| 21:08.17 | v1z | of course good gsoc students, and any programmers, will be much coveted |
| 21:08.38 | v1z | (any good ones) |
| 21:08.43 | LetterRip_ | i think i recognize the name now - perhaps they contacted our other org admin |
| 21:09.21 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: will the participation in gsoc add a credit in the CV in getting an intern? |
| 21:09.49 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Participation in GSoC definitely looks good in a CV. |
| 21:11.08 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: hope i ll be successful in gsoc 2012 |
| 21:11.53 | chrisoelmueller | you can do better preparation than hoping :) |
| 21:12.15 | Gentlecat | is it too late to think about participation in 2012 or not? |
| 21:12.23 | ubuntu_love | chrisoelmueller: what sort of preparations did you mean? |
| 21:12.47 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: what i suggested earlier - download; build; make patches; participate in the community |
| 21:12.49 | dhaun | Gentlecat: as a student, you're right on time. as an org, you would be too late |
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| 21:13.04 | Gentlecat | no, i'm just a student |
| 21:13.37 | marinaz | ubuntu_love: why did you think gnome-love only gives advice to start as a bug reporter? there is a lot of information about how to find a bug to work on and get help from a mentor here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove |
| 21:13.52 | chrisoelmueller | ubuntu_love: basically what you were up to already, get familiar with open source stuff like git, talk to orgs you would like to work with, report bugs, etc. |
| 21:14.09 | Gentlecat | i'm not sure though my knowledge would be enough |
| 21:14.21 | ubuntu_love | chrisoelmueller: you a mentor? |
| 21:14.48 | LetterRip_ | Gentlecat: try building the software you are interested and see if you can make a patch that fixes a bug in their bug tracker |
| 21:14.54 | marinaz | ubuntu_love: this page also has some advice and links to mentors in different organizations: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/Mentors |
| 21:15.00 | LetterRip_ | if so that is often enough basic knowledge |
| 21:15.01 | chrisoelmueller | ubuntu_love: if we're accepted, i might be |
| 21:15.08 | Catfish_Man | Gentlecat: my usual advice on that subject is to look at past projects done for gsoc for organizations you're interested in, and consider (maybe try prototyping even!) whether that's something you might be able to do |
| 21:15.27 | dhaun | Gentlecat: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ :) |
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| 21:15.40 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: of course orgs aren't accepted yet - no one knows for sure till 16th which orgs will be accepted |
| 21:16.00 | LetterRip_ | Catfish_Man: good advice |
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| 21:16.28 | Gentlecat | i haven't really used any open-source software before |
| 21:16.42 | Catfish_Man | Gentlecat: not even say, Firefox or Chrome? |
| 21:16.46 | LetterRip_ | Gentlecat: well find a project that interests you :) |
| 21:16.49 | stefanct | Gentlecat: i dont believe that :) |
| 21:17.01 | JordiGH | Gentlecat: Have you ever used Wikipedia? |
| 21:17.03 | Gentlecat | well, yeah, chrome |
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| 21:17.31 | Gentlecat | most of the time i'm in visual studio on windows :) |
| 21:17.34 | LetterRip_ | openoffice/libreoffice; blender; gimp; gcc |
| 21:17.55 | LetterRip_ | java :) |
| 21:18.20 | Gentlecat | android |
| 21:18.27 | JordiGH | Android is a mixed bag. |
| 21:18.33 | JordiGH | Some of it is free, some isn't. |
| 21:18.47 | ubuntu_love | LetterRip_:if a student's proposal is not accepted, is that the end of the student in gsoc 2010 |
| 21:18.51 | ubuntu_love | i mean 2012 |
| 21:18.58 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Yes. |
| 21:19.36 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: as far as gsoc participation yes; but you can work on the project independently of gsoc |
| 21:19.37 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: so which means, in addition to coding skills, we need to suggest a good proposal |
| 21:19.43 | dhaun | ubuntu_love: well, you can submit more than one |
| 21:19.44 | LetterRip_ | it just lacks the nice stipend from google |
| 21:19.49 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Of course. |
| 21:20.22 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: most of hte projects are looking for long term contributors |
| 21:20.28 | ubuntu_love | JordiGH: on what basis do the companies accept the proposal? |
| 21:20.41 | v1z | LetterRip_: I think funding can be found somewhere else. what students will miss the most is G's name. specially for someone looking for internships later on |
| 21:20.41 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: most of htese are not companies |
| 21:20.44 | LetterRip_ | but non profits |
| 21:20.58 | ubuntu_love | organizations.. right? |
| 21:21.18 | JordiGH | ubuntu_love: Organisations will accept a proposal if you convince them you have a good idea and you can accomplish it. |
| 21:21.38 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: - mentioned above - quality of the proposal; is it something the org can mentor adequately; previous skill demonstrated by the student (ie patches; community participation) |
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| 21:22.12 | ubuntu_love | LetterRip: so they expect us to have contributed already? |
| 21:22.22 | Catfish_Man | some will |
| 21:22.24 | Catfish_Man | some won't |
| 21:22.26 | Catfish_Man | it's up to them |
| 21:22.28 | LetterRip_ | many orgs have a requirement of a patch |
| 21:22.38 | LetterRip_ | at a minimum |
| 21:22.59 | LetterRip_ | since if a student can't create a patch, they probably won't be able to succeed in gsoc |
| 21:23.15 | JordiGH | Last year we accepted a student because he had already had a successful GSoC run working for gcc. |
| 21:23.16 | meflin | even in a the same org different projects can be different ( for example a project we did 2 years ago had no code to patch ) |
| 21:23.21 | JordiGH | If you can do gcc, you can do Octave. :-) |
| 21:23.36 | LetterRip_ | JordiGH: heh yeah |
| 21:23.37 | JordiGH | And we didn't ask him to submit a patch before accepting him. |
| 21:23.45 | v1z | one of the pest starter projects is to create a patch which is accepted into an official project. |
| 21:23.51 | v1z | *best |
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| 21:24.14 | ubuntu_love | oh. so during the selection period, the org asks the students to submit a patch. to check his skills. am i right? |
| 21:24.24 | LetterRip_ | ubuntu_love: usually apatch for the project or explain some signficiant piece of code you are produc of |
| 21:24.28 | meflin | not being able to see cod those the interview including lots of code grilling |
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| 21:24.34 | LetterRip_ | proud |
| 21:25.28 | Catfish_Man | ok, folks. We're approaching 50% of content in #gsoc being spelling corrections |
| 21:25.35 | Catfish_Man | everyone sloooooow down a little |
| 21:26.24 | JordiGH | NO U |
| 21:26.54 | meflin | change your spell check to "bad english" .. its only 13% that way ;) |
| 21:27.56 | LetterRip_ | i have lysdexia, fat fingers, and a keyboard that is being unresponsive :) |
| 21:28.47 | meflin | ubuntu_love: each or has its own way of choosing students |
| 21:29.21 | meflin | my org interviews every submission ( slog slog ) on irc |
| 21:29.26 | LetterRip_ | yes - some print out all the applications, toss them in the air at the top of a staircase, and whichever makes it furthest down are the winners |
| 21:29.31 | LetterRip_ | <just kidding> |
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| 21:30.30 | aleek | !next |
| 21:30.32 | gsocbot | aleek: "next" is Mar 16 - List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2012 site. |
| 21:31.16 | JordiGH | LetterRip_: I would never print them. Assign them an id and use Octave's randperm(m,k) function. |
| 21:31.22 | JordiGH | Which does a truncated Knuth shuffle. |
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| 21:32.00 | gevaerts | JordiGH: that's rather different from a down the stais shuffle |
| 21:32.25 | JordiGH | O RLY |
| 21:33.16 | meflin | more ink/pages makes submissions less aerodynamic and they fall faster ;) |
| 21:33.20 | gevaerts | A proper staircase shuffle is very sensitive to the kind of staple you use for the applications |
| 21:33.24 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: much better latency for one thing |
| 21:33.33 | mang0 | Hey all, I need an answer asap for this, a friend is ringing the # to activate my citibank card pin atm, couple of questions. (He has free US calls, I don't from UK). So, question one: The ZIP code I have to provide is the one for Stephanie Taylor, correct? Listed in the account details, under the address. However, what do I put in when it asks for "account number"? |
| 21:34.19 | JordiGH | Is that for GCI? |
| 21:34.26 | mang0 | Yes, sorry. |
| 21:35.22 | meflin | hmm I would have thought that would a faq item |
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| 21:35.51 | mang0 | I'll double check, didn't spot it. |
| 21:36.15 | meflin | I've never looked .. never done GCI |
| 21:36.47 | meflin | not there |
| 21:38.38 | mang0 | aha fond it! |
| 21:38.40 | Lennie_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.47 | Lennie_2 | I'm confident it is covered |
| 21:39.06 | mang0 | found* It was in the letter, but covered up with stickyness that the card is stuck with |
| 21:39.19 | mang0 | Lennie_2, meflin: thanks for your help, I think I've got everything I need now :) |
| 21:39.38 | meflin | the most important information is always covered in glue |
| 21:39.48 | Lennie_2 | is opening a shadow session to get rid of his alter ego |
| 21:39.51 | mang0 | I know, I can't read the last digit :/ |
| 21:39.57 | mang0 | It might be 3 or 8 |
| 21:40.11 | Lennie_2 | zipcode? |
| 21:40.18 | Lennie_2 | the bank is happy to retry :) |
| 21:40.19 | mang0 | Account number |
| 21:40.21 | Lennie_2 | it's not a one-shot deal |
| 21:40.32 | mang0 | the Zip is 94043 |
| 21:40.36 | mang0 | that's easy to see |
| 21:40.37 | mang0 | :) |
| 21:40.57 | gevaerts | Can you also tell us all the other details? We could try to activate it too then! |
| 21:40.59 | gevaerts | runs |
| 21:41.07 | meflin | heh |
| 21:41.14 | mang0 | snipes gevaerts down |
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| 21:42.57 | Lennie | mang0, I'm not that mad :) |
| 21:42.59 | Lennie | Just crazy |
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| 21:44.01 | mang0 | Lennie: Argh! Now speaking through two channels! *mind explodes* |
| 21:45.01 | meflin | if you irc long enough you tend to end up with multiple personalities .. its listed in the MOTD when you joined |
| 21:45.02 | JordiGH | Two channels? |
| 21:45.10 | JordiGH | Amateur. I'm on six. ;-) |
| 21:48.04 | summatusmentis | you're probably not talking to Lennie in all 6 though |
| 21:48.27 | Lennie | That would be weird |
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| 21:56.53 | hybrid_ | automata, v1z_ another letter sent from FCD http://ubuntuone.com/3nthjkuuvcZskpsb1yjmP7 this getting is way beyond unbelievable |
| 21:57.58 | aliq | what's with this LabMacambira stuff? is this some kind of spam? |
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| 21:59.45 | JordiGH | Jesus, guys, even if you get the king of Brazil to write a letter to Google, why didn't you apply on time? |
| 21:59.46 | hybrid_ | aliq, it is a kind of spontaneous mobilization from Brazilian key initiatives in 'Digital Culture', kinda weird but cool and strong |
| 22:00.13 | aliq | hybrid_: and you missed the deadline? |
| 22:00.49 | spectie | aliq, yeah |
| 22:01.01 | spectie | that's the long and short of it |
| 22:01.19 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, because the deadline isn't our greatest concern or talent |
| 22:01.52 | spectie | well, evidently |
| 22:01.59 | spectie | otherwise you would have got the application in on time |
| 22:02.33 | hybrid_ | aliq, indeed! and these key Brazilian entities are like all wanting to write promoting LM to Google |
| 22:02.46 | aliq | i see. good luck then. (instead of consistently rattling at the gates - aren't you wasting manpower that you could use for a super-strong application next year? as in, application in time *with* a billion support letters?) |
| 22:03.20 | hybrid_ | more than that they seem to have chosen to register a special moment or 'things status' |
| 22:03.22 | spectie | i wonder if the support letters are from people who know you missed the application deadline |
| 22:03.36 | hybrid_ | aliq, we did not write the letters |
| 22:03.39 | aliq | :D |
| 22:03.59 | spectie | i would feel a bit embarrassed to be honest |
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| 22:04.09 | hybrid_ | they are coming and started with Celio Turino's poem, a leader |
| 22:04.10 | spectie | "hey, can you write a letter because we missed a deadline" |
| 22:04.20 | meflin | making it on time takes like what 1 hour? |
| 22:04.23 | spectie | it's like "my dog ate my homework" |
| 22:04.36 | hybrid_ | spectie, for sure, that is ridiculous |
| 22:04.43 | hybrid_ | and that is not what is happening |
| 22:04.50 | spectie | and then |
| 22:04.52 | spectie | you get your mum |
| 22:04.54 | spectie | and your aunt |
| 22:05.11 | spectie | and that guy that owns the greengrocers |
| 22:05.24 | spectie | to write letters saying "no, but the homework really was great... before the dog ate it" |
| 22:05.31 | hybrid_ | spectie, this last letter is from people who organize and write most of what is considered 'Digital Culture' in Brazil |
| 22:05.37 | hybrid_ | spectie, kkkkkkk |
| 22:05.39 | spectie | "i can honestly say that his homework was astounding stuff, just a shame the dog ate it" |
| 22:05.40 | spectie | XD |
| 22:05.44 | hybrid_ | lol |
| 22:05.47 | v1z_ | guys... is this the kind of attitude our community deserves? take it easy |
| 22:05.54 | hybrid_ | gotta eat, brb |
| 22:06.07 | spectie | v1z_, vamos a ver, no sé como funciona allí |
| 22:06.16 | aliq | spectie: no need to make fun of them, hm? |
| 22:06.21 | spectie | pero aquí, se entregas algo después de la fecha de límite |
| 22:06.28 | spectie | es eso, no te lo van a aceptar |
| 22:06.38 | spectie | es fuera de la convocatoría |
| 22:06.51 | v1z_ | spectie: we don't speak spanish, thats funny sounding |
| 22:06.52 | spectie | aliq, apologies |
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| 22:07.13 | spectie | v1z_, if someone writes in portuguese i understand |
| 22:07.17 | spectie | i guess you can understand spanish |
| 22:07.27 | spectie | XD |
| 22:07.53 | v1z_ | spectie: like half-ass... |
| 22:08.04 | v1z_ | sorry for the term |
| 22:08.07 | meflin | I do agree the community should usually be helpful |
| 22:08.22 | spectie | i've been helpful |
| 22:08.24 | spectie | :P |
| 22:08.39 | spectie | i spent some time correcting the portuguese->english translations of their letters earlier |
| 22:09.05 | v1z_ | of course. its clear there is a team. and a member lost the deadline details. we all know that. and we're cool w that, really |
| 22:09.16 | v1z_ | spectie: we haven't written those letters fyi |
| 22:09.21 | v1z_ | but tks anyhow |
| 22:10.48 | ojwb | can't see a letter writing campaign helping |
| 22:10.52 | spectie | v1z_, "não sê como funciona ali" -- "mas aqui, se envias algo após a data de limite" -- "não to vão a aceptar" -- "é fora da convocação" |
| 22:10.59 | spectie | v1z_, can i say this in portuguese ? |
| 22:11.04 | chrisoelmueller | the community has been spammed with this stuff for days now, most of which did the job of making the efforts look a bit ridiculous on its own. i do believe that we endured this quite well so far, given the circumstances. |
| 22:11.08 | ojwb | otherwise every deadline would be accompanied by google getting bombarded with letters |
| 22:11.17 | spectie | i'm afraid i am more familiar with spanish and catalan |
| 22:11.17 | v1z_ | spectie: that's like valid for bureaucratic govermnts ;P |
| 22:11.26 | hybrid_ | spectie, yes, i will find the log of this room and take a look on the corrections. Things got crazy here, this are serious stuff the letters |
| 22:11.38 | spectie | but i can make an effort at portuguese if necessary |
| 22:11.41 | hybrid_ | spectie, where is 'there' and 'here' for u? |
| 22:11.49 | spectie | hybrid_, i live in spain |
| 22:11.57 | spectie | you guys live in brazil i guess ? |
| 22:11.58 | meflin | just for "todays" stuff its got a bit anoying |
| 22:13.01 | ojwb | meflin: it's not even like anybody who gets to make the relevant decisions is in the channel |
| 22:13.52 | meflin | not claiming its so just saying that frustration happens |
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| 22:16.58 | v1z_ | the guys' been pretty responsive and respectful. just keep being polite, they'll not go overboard. we appreciate it. tks. |
| 22:18.15 | meflin | hmm I hope I have been polite |
| 22:20.03 | JordiGH | hybrid_: I'll be impressed when the king of Brazil also writes a letter. |
| 22:20.32 | v1z_ | meflin: yes, and I hope you'll accept my kindest apologies on behalf of this org. |
| 22:21.37 | JordiGH | v1z_: you're also part of Lab Macarena? |
| 22:21.49 | v1z_ | Macarena hahahaha |
| 22:21.55 | meflin | not needing an apologies has been spoken |
| 22:22.06 | meflin | err s/not/nothing/ |
| 22:22.25 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, me too, but there is no king.. Macarena haha |
| 22:22.31 | gevaerts | hybrid_: exactly |
| 22:22.43 | JordiGH | hybrid_: That's why such a letter would be very impressive. |
| 22:22.58 | JordiGH | Sorry, Macambira. It was an honest mistake. |
| 22:23.23 | Lennie | You know that making a deadline is sort of the first test for being allowed into GSoC if you are a new Org |
| 22:23.42 | gevaerts | Lennie: only for new orgs? |
| 22:23.45 | meflin | or even if you are an old org :D |
| 22:23.46 | gevaerts | quickly applies |
| 22:23.48 | Lennie | If you can't make it, why would we expect you to be able to get your students to do so ^^ |
| 22:24.06 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, this are really cool guys who wrote them. Representantives of oral cultures and tech activism |
| 22:24.09 | Lennie | gevaerts, It's a first test for new orgs :P. It's a resit of an old exam for old ones :) |
| 22:24.12 | JordiGH | Lennie: Maybe the students write awesome letters too. |
| 22:24.15 | gevaerts | Ah, ok :) |
| 22:24.17 | v1z_ | Lennie: agreed, but you can't judge an entire org by one deadline missed by one member |
| 22:24.26 | v1z_ | Lennie: perhaps you can handicap it |
| 22:24.27 | meflin | old org-admin wanted my submission ready 2 weeks before open |
| 22:24.28 | Lennie | v1z_, sometimes that's life |
| 22:24.31 | v1z_ | which has been done enough |
| 22:24.40 | hybrid_ | Lennie, r u perfect? than why should one expect..? |
| 22:25.05 | Lennie | hybrid_, really that is just not a good question to ask. No I'm not perfect but I get punished too if I miss deadlines |
| 22:25.08 | Lennie | that's the way the world works |
| 22:25.15 | gevaerts | hybrid_, v1z_: you seem to be forgetting that the application period lasted a lot longer than one hour |
| 22:25.20 | meflin | wll there is admin and backup admin so its not 1 person its 2 at the very least |
| 22:25.20 | Lennie | If I handed in my thesis too late I wouldn't be getting my degree :) |
| 22:25.56 | Lennie | Not sure if making a deadline is considered perfectionism :) |
| 22:26.28 | Lennie | Anyway, also not sure if OSPO team can read Portugese(?) |
| 22:26.30 | meflin | more like "bothering to show up" |
| 22:26.45 | Lennie | hybrid_, do you have an ideas page? |
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| 22:27.09 | v1z_ | Lennie: http://wiki.nosdigitais.teia.org.br/GSoC |
| 22:28.25 | v1z_ | Lennie: read portuguese? |
| 22:30.21 | Lennie | wolfb, what happens to mentors who miss the bus at the summit :P |
| 22:30.24 | ojwb | maybe one member is responsible for missing the deadline, but it's the member you picked to represent you |
| 22:30.46 | Lennie | v1z_, I like the ideas list ^^ |
| 22:30.54 | Lennie | v1z_, did you contact anyone at Google about this? |
| 22:31.26 | Lennie | No one here can make these decisions, so arguing about the right or wrong will not really do you any good :D |
| 22:31.31 | hybrid_ | ojwb, was it? |
| 22:32.03 | ojwb | yes, the org admin represents the org |
| 22:32.04 | v1z_ | Lennie: I am glad. Not about GSoC specifically, but some projects do have links to G. |
| 22:34.02 | hybrid_ | ojwb, yes but if duty to do the application was other members stuff |
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| 22:34.26 | ojwb | the org admin is the one who has to submit the org application |
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| 22:35.00 | meflin | basic management is stay on top of your subordinates |
| 22:35.05 | Lennie | haha :) |
| 22:35.25 | Lennie | Anyway, we can argue both ways. The question remains whether you have actually contacted OSPO? |
| 22:35.31 | v1z_ | Lennie: I'm glad you enjoyed the ideas list. thanks to GSoC we put this ideas list in place, and they've been useful for the org already. We're just glad gsoc exists. thank you. |
| 22:35.54 | Lennie | !logs |
| 22:35.55 | gsocbot | Lennie: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 22:36.06 | JordiGH | hybrid_: "Sorry to hear you missed the deadline. Unfortunately we don't accept late applications for any reason. Better luck next year! Cheers, Carol" |
| 22:36.53 | Lennie | Nm, we chatted about this last friday/saturday didn't we? |
| 22:37.15 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, Lennie, i went for a look, yeah a pity |
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| 22:37.21 | gevaerts | "We"'ve been chatting about this almost without interruption since the deadline |
| 22:37.41 | hybrid_ | but the mobilization is real and spontaneous |
| 22:37.49 | meflin | the thing to do is look for like orgs that +might+ also like your stuff .. but even more prepare NOW for next year |
| 22:37.53 | hybrid_ | there are more letters to come in the next hours |
| 22:37.59 | gevaerts | hybrid_: and *very* irrelevant |
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| 22:38.10 | chrisoelmueller | oh please :/ |
| 22:38.12 | hybrid_ | i have to wiki one more of them from FDC |
| 22:38.17 | JordiGH | hybrid_: Yes, very irrelevant. Also, how did you ask for these letters? |
| 22:38.32 | JordiGH | hybrid_: Did you tell everyone, "please write letters because we're not organised to apply on time?" :-/ |
| 22:38.44 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, i did not really, the national commission of the pontos de cultura did |
| 22:39.06 | ojwb | if carols has spoken then bombarding her/google with letters pleading your case can only serve to annoy |
| 22:39.12 | Lennie | ojwb, ++ |
| 22:39.14 | JordiGH | Why did the national commission do this? Are the letter writers aware that these letters are being sent because you missed the deadline? |
| 22:39.26 | Lennie | If you want a chance to get in next year you better not annoy them :) |
| 22:39.52 | Lennie | Oh man, I can't wait for the mentor summit ^_^ |
| 22:40.01 | JordiGH | hopes to go again. |
| 22:40.10 | JordiGH | But let's not count our unhatched chicks, Lennie. |
| 22:40.17 | Lennie | JordiGH, :)? |
| 22:40.31 | Lennie | I'll be there, whether or not you like it :P |
| 22:40.37 | meflin | I thought my sumit topic was hosed this good be a new low |
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| 22:41.12 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, and it was not like that, it was more in a 'lets take write about LM because we like them' |
| 22:41.35 | hybrid_ | JordiGH, Lennie strange u guys though it was only for a deadline, a true pity |
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| 22:41.48 | hybrid_ | this are national subjects |
| 22:41.58 | Lennie | hybrid_, sorry I don't think I can parse that |
| 22:42.18 | meflin | this is not a national subject |
| 22:42.22 | hybrid_ | they are doing their best to pass the word on |
| 22:42.25 | Lennie | You know what happens when we make one exception? Everyone else will think it is okay to be late :D |
| 22:42.42 | hybrid_ | Lennie, yes, no problem about GSoC applications |
| 22:42.49 | gevaerts | hybrid_: if I were you, I'd stop this discussion now. You're appearing more and more pathetic with every line you type |
| 22:42.54 | hybrid_ | these letters are very important by itself |
| 22:42.55 | Lennie | hybrid_, the only option I see is that you partner up with an org that gets accepted |
| 22:43.09 | v1z_ | gevaerts: I don't think this is appreciated. |
| 22:43.17 | v1z_ | Lennie: right. |
| 22:43.47 | meflin | free code doesn't know nations |
| 22:43.53 | hybrid_ | Cultura Viva is in a unique moment living somewhat a crisis, and Brazilian people just got into the ide |
| 22:44.04 | Lennie | meflin, you haven't read the US export laws :P |
| 22:44.26 | meflin | Lennie: I have :D free sometimes requires creativity :D |
| 22:45.07 | gevaerts | v1z_: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 22:45.08 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, go talk to them if u wish. I apologize only for me but this is a real issue |
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| 22:45.54 | v1z_ | GSoC has gotten the community mobilized towards free software. Our community. Everyone's. Thank you so much, gsoc, and please, people: don't judge others based on one mistake. |
| 22:46.14 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, not gsoc application acceptance, but the mobilization created. New relations are coming to be with this |
| 22:46.28 | gevaerts | We're *not* judging anyone based on missing a deadline. Mistakes happen. We're judging based on childish reactions to missing a deadline |
| 22:46.33 | meflin | that may be importent to you your location |
| 22:46.35 | Lennie | gevaerts, there are so many philosopical things I can say about stuff right now :P |
| 22:46.44 | gevaerts | Lennie: please do! |
| 22:46.49 | meflin | it is not importent to the world wide comiunity itself |
| 22:46.53 | hybrid_ | gevaerts, i think its cool that happened in relation to GSoC and Google, but it transcends that better |
| 22:47.00 | Lennie | gevaerts, nono. I'd rather have this play stopped today :) |
| 22:47.14 | gevaerts | hybrid_: are you actually talking about something, or just putting words in random order? |
| 22:47.26 | Lennie | I think it might be a Translator? |
| 22:47.33 | v1z_ | hybrid_: don't speak to gevaerts pls |
| 22:47.35 | ojwb | gevaerts: I think they're all just bots |
| 22:48.12 | hybrid_ | Lennie, it transcends that subject |
| 22:48.32 | Lennie | btw gevaerts , belgium -> Flemish? |
| 22:48.33 | meflin | I am liking my .uy student and now mentor all the more ::) |
| 22:48.40 | gevaerts | Lennie: yes |
| 22:48.43 | Lennie | I think I might have asked that before |
| 22:48.51 | Lennie | We kunnen dus ook gewoon in geheimtaal spreken :) |
| 22:49.22 | Lennie | I guess that means it is no good for me to bring Stroopwafels to the mentor summit for you :P |
| 22:49.28 | Lennie | Since you live so close to NL |
| 22:49.32 | gevaerts | Ik weet niet of dat mag! Is #gsoc niet alleen Engels? |
| 22:49.45 | gevaerts | I won't be there anyway, so no :) |
| 22:49.48 | Lennie | gevaerts, yeah it was just a jist :P |
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| 22:50.16 | gevaerts | Lennie: better start talking English again before carols complains :) |
| 22:50.23 | Lennie | hides |
| 22:50.30 | meflin | mmm Stroopwafels .. no idea what else it means but I know those |
| 22:50.49 | carols | serves some tea and coffee and cookies |
| 22:51.02 | Catfish_Man | hey carols |
| 22:51.04 | Lennie | comes out of hiding and brings some stroopwafels to the party |
| 22:51.08 | carols | hi Catfish_Man |
| 22:51.28 | gevaerts | gets some tea. Too late for coffee here! |
| 22:51.35 | mlankhorst | carolssss |
| 22:51.38 | v1z_ | thanks for the encouragement, all! long live the true free software culture! |
| 22:51.49 | meflin | its to late for tea there and 1/2 past beer |
| 22:52.07 | carols | hey mlankhorsttttt |
| 22:52.13 | v1z_ | takes some coffee anyways |
| 22:52.18 | mlankhorst | heya! |
| 22:53.06 | Lennie | carols, how's the application handling going? :) |
| 22:53.19 | carols | Lennie: fine, thanks :-) |
| 22:54.05 | meflin | I can't imagine how you slog through so many after 3-4 hours I would just gaze over and wonder off for a week of tea |
| 22:54.33 | carols | we spent 5 hours reviewing today and have 5 more hours tomorrow :-) |
| 22:54.40 | hybrid_ | v1z_, they waked me up to know about the letters, FCD just wrote that one, and the letter from Cleodon Silva (Pedro Macambira)'s daughter . family and activist parties is still to come. How did things got this way so fast? |
| 22:54.41 | carols | and another 5 on wednesday if we're not done |
| 22:55.35 | meflin | a lot faster then I would have thought |
| 22:56.15 | meflin | altho its probably not that much different when I was in the mix for resume reading |
| 22:57.00 | v1z_ | hybrid_: its the good side efect of GSoC's action towards FLOSS; it sparkles the great potential in these communities. I'm sure we got heard by good people. |
| 22:57.15 | meflin | most make no sence vs that posted job |
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| 22:58.11 | ojwb | meflin: it's probably not so different to wading through student proposals |
| 22:58.32 | meflin | most make no sence vs that posted job ? ;) |
| 22:58.45 | ojwb | sadly rather too close to the truth |
| 22:58.54 | ojwb | not "most", but depressingly many |
| 22:59.36 | meflin | you have to keep an eye open tho |
| 23:00.19 | meflin | last year we got a free-from ( not on the idea list ) us/or related project idea sounded like that .. interview when gangbusters |
| 23:00.35 | meflin | did the job and more |
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| 23:00.52 | v1z_ | carols: thanks again for at least taking a look at our org, even though we were late. we completely understand you don't accept late applications. best wishes ;) wiki.nosdigitais.teia.org.br/GSoC |
| 23:01.02 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 23:01.08 | hybrid_ | v1z_, yes, it is one of the most rapidly spontaneous action of key social characters i've seen. They are willing to open a bitcoin exchange house in sao paulo |
| 23:02.09 | hybrid_ | carols, and all, thanks for GSoC and everything, what is happening here in Brazil is unique. |
| 23:02.36 | AlexP | That's one word for it |
| 23:03.11 | Lennie | AlexP, ++ :) |
| 23:03.14 | Lennie | dinner time |
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