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| 00:43.46 | pr0ggie | any non-eu (or bg/ro) student in the Netherlands around? |
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| 00:46.03 | ThomasWaldmann | pr0ggie: i guess you better ask on the mailing list |
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| 04:01.34 | jerry_in | can i submit my ideas as to participating org? if yes how? |
| 04:02.00 | ojwb | the orgs haven't been chosen yet |
| 04:02.16 | ojwb | but you can go and talk to potential orgs |
| 04:03.01 | jerry_in | where? on their home sites |
| 04:03.06 | jerry_in | or via google |
| 04:03.25 | ojwb | if they have an IRC channel, that's a good option |
| 04:03.32 | ojwb | or a mailing list |
| 04:03.45 | ojwb | it depends on the org how they communicate with each other |
| 04:03.47 | jerry_in | can i consider last year orgs as potential orgs? all of 'em? |
| 04:04.01 | ojwb | i suspect not all will reapply |
| 04:04.12 | ojwb | but you can ask if they plan to |
| 04:04.25 | jerry_in | thanx! |
| 04:04.27 | ojwb | or probably just look at their website |
| 04:05.01 | ojwb | we've added a note to it to say we are, because people kept asking |
| 04:05.37 | ojwb | so other orgs probably have too |
| 04:05.49 | jerry_in | kk i'll check out the orgs!! |
| 04:06.05 | jerry_in | ur org is? |
| 04:06.23 | ojwb | xapian |
| 04:06.36 | jerry_in | based in? |
| 04:06.49 | ojwb | ? |
| 04:07.02 | jerry_in | i mean nation? |
| 04:07.02 | ojwb | you mean physically? |
| 04:07.08 | ojwb | that's not really a meaningful question |
| 04:07.09 | jerry_in | yeah! |
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| 04:07.27 | ojwb | there's people involved from all sorts of places |
| 04:07.28 | jerry_in | why? |
| 04:08.21 | jerry_in | can i hv a list of ur org's contributions to open source!! i wud lyk to check them |
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| 04:09.59 | ojwb | thinks you may be misunderstanding what most orgs are |
| 04:10.17 | ojwb | they aren't generally companies (though some are) |
| 04:10.22 | jerry_in | may be! i'm quiet new |
| 04:10.37 | ojwb | in our case (which is pretty common) it's really just a community of people working on the same code |
| 04:11.00 | crimsonredmk | how big should an organization be to apply? |
| 04:11.03 | ojwb | so the code is the "contributions to open source" |
| 04:11.03 | jerry_in | how can i locate one of ur types |
| 04:11.26 | jerry_in | i mean a group of ur type? |
| 04:12.11 | ojwb | crimsonredmk: there was an initiative last year to encourage smaller orgs to apply |
| 04:12.51 | thebolt | jerry_in: there is no physical location |
| 04:13.41 | jerry_in | no not that, hw can i communicate to u? and be a part of it, even if i'm not participating in gsoc |
| 04:13.47 | ojwb | not sure if google have a particular criteria though |
| 04:14.13 | thebolt | jerry_in: most projects have mailing lists, irc channels, web forums etc.. but each org is different |
| 04:15.18 | jerry_in | most of the tym, i make a google search for orgs i get lost in the results. where i'm wrong? |
| 04:15.20 | ojwb | crimsonredmk: I'd guess at least 3 developers, as otherwise things go bad for the students if one has an accident or family emergency or similar |
| 04:15.35 | crimsonredmk | ah, then we're ok ojwb, thanks |
| 04:16.02 | crimsonredmk | maybe archlinuxarm will have a showing this summer in that case |
| 04:16.05 | ojwb | crimsonredmk: i certainly don't speak for google though |
| 04:17.00 | crimsonredmk | yeah, it all comes down to the application…just trying to get a general feel, thanks |
| 04:19.35 | ojwb | crimsonredmk: the ideas list is perhaps the most important thing to work on |
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| 05:55.10 | _chris | do i need to be a expert to participate in gsoc. i felt this while looking at most of the websites |
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| 06:45.17 | atri | Hi,I wanted to enquire |
| 06:45.51 | atri | can I upload my own idea? |
| 06:47.03 | atri | Please advise\ |
| 06:47.51 | araujo | what do you mean upload your own idea? |
| 06:47.56 | meem10291 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.07 | atri | i did,actually |
| 06:48.17 | atri | it was a bit confusing |
| 06:48.30 | atri | if i pick up an existing project, |
| 06:48.34 | meem10291 | Ya, find an organization that has things related to what you want to do and suggest it to them is what I'd say. |
| 06:48.49 | araujo | projects have ideas, if you want to propose an idea, a project is the best place for it |
| 06:48.53 | atri | ok |
| 06:49.10 | araujo | project/organization |
| 06:49.11 | atri | so should i contact them directly right now? |
| 06:49.15 | araujo | yes |
| 06:49.22 | meem1029 | Go check out their irc channel/mailing list. |
| 06:49.48 | atri | how do i find organizations? |
| 06:50.27 | meem1029 | google 2011 gsoc accepted organizations |
| 06:50.36 | araujo | a list of accepted organizations will be published at some point, for now, you can search on google |
| 06:50.39 | meem1029 | And find one related to what your project idea is. |
| 06:50.53 | meem1029 | The 2011 ones will likely be very similar to 2012. |
| 06:51.16 | atri | ok |
| 06:51.21 | atri | thanks a ton |
| 06:51.53 | meem1029 | alternately, if you tell us what the idea is, we can probably help you find an org that it could fit with as well |
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| 07:05.05 | atri | I was actually thiking of combining intelligent chat with RPG |
| 07:05.19 | atri | I have experience with natural Language processing |
| 07:05.28 | atri | I was thinking of intelligent chat, |
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| 07:05.57 | atri | such as team members thinking similarily |
| 07:06.04 | atri | can work on the same missions |
| 07:06.30 | atri | predictions based on enemy's chat text |
| 07:06.35 | atri | abot his next move |
| 07:07.10 | atri | also,intelligent communication between characters of the game |
| 07:07.32 | atri | communicaion whch is decided dynamically |
| 07:07.53 | atri | please tell me is this can be worked |
| 07:08.00 | atri | especially in planeshift |
| 07:08.33 | meem1029 | I have no idea what project that would go with, but it sounds awesome. |
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| 07:09.54 | atri | Thank you meem1029 |
| 07:12.02 | atri | I believe it can go well with Planeshift |
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| 07:13.22 | atri | I think I can,with existing members help,design a complete chat system |
| 07:14.05 | meem1029 | That does look pretty cool and like it would fit. I would recommend finding their irc channel and talking with them about it. |
| 07:14.16 | meem1029 | Do you know if they are planning to apply for gsoc? |
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| 07:20.05 | kblin | atri: worldforge hase a natural language processing system we use for our knowledge-based scripting |
| 07:20.44 | kblin | I haven't dealt with it myself much, but it might be worth a look |
| 07:21.22 | atri | thank you <@kblin> |
| 07:21.41 | atri | Do you recommend me to go and try to join worldforge? |
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| 07:23.14 | kblin | sure, with a disclaimer that I've been doing WorldForge for a while, so my advice might be a bit biased ;) |
| 07:23.54 | atri | <@kblin> Can i give your reference in their irc? |
| 07:24.21 | thebolt | morning kblin |
| 07:24.22 | kblin | sure |
| 07:24.24 | thebolt | how's it going? |
| 07:25.25 | kblin | morning thebolt, doing fine, how's life on your side of the world? |
| 07:25.54 | kblin | atri: I'd recommend #lounge on irc.worldforge.org, btw |
| 07:26.16 | atri | sure |
| 07:26.22 | atri | i'll just go there |
| 07:27.06 | thebolt | kblin: pretty good.. been spending the day with something not so fun though, trying to figure out taxation laws.. which law applies etc :P not always easy being an expat ;) |
| 07:27.37 | kblin | thebolt: that sure sounds like not that much fun |
| 07:27.44 | thebolt | now i've sent away four emails to four different gov. departments/administrations in two different countries with different paperwork & taxation questions P |
| 07:28.05 | thebolt | kblin: no, its not.. but required unfortunately |
| 07:28.14 | thebolt | or well, fortunately maybe ;) |
| 07:28.17 | atri | kblin...There is nobody in lounge |
| 07:28.34 | kblin | atri: you're not on the right server then |
| 07:28.40 | thebolt | (the whole reason for the questions is that i will get married later on..) |
| 07:29.13 | atri | i went to webchat on freenode |
| 07:29.14 | kblin | thebolt: congratulations |
| 07:29.22 | atri | and went to #lounge |
| 07:29.33 | kblin | atri: right, but that's not what I recommended |
| 07:30.37 | atri | kblin:then? |
| 07:31.18 | kblin | atri: if you reread what I said like 5 minutes ago, you'll notice I didn't say irc.freenode.net |
| 07:31.33 | atri | ohh...sorry |
| 07:31.39 | atri | irc.worldforge.org |
| 07:31.57 | atri | kblin:Sorry,so sorry |
| 07:32.09 | kblin | no worries |
| 07:32.20 | atri | btw,i needed some help |
| 07:33.07 | kblin | thebolt: btw, while I still think about this. I know you're probably using gps for location tracking on the stuff that you build, but do you have any suggestions on something that'd work indoors? |
| 07:33.44 | thebolt | kblin: vision based systems (and yes, we are working on that too) |
| 07:33.57 | kblin | thebolt: my current idea is to blink IR LEDs at different patterns/frequences in different rooms to pinpoint the room |
| 07:34.00 | thebolt | kblin: it is (afaik) the only way to get really good accuracy, indoor or outdoor |
| 07:34.16 | thebolt | if you just need room-level you can use radio localization |
| 07:34.19 | kblin | hm, therere's that |
| 07:34.21 | thebolt | or yea, IR works too |
| 07:34.47 | kblin | you can do radio localization exact enough for that? |
| 07:34.56 | thebolt | check out qubulus |
| 07:35.01 | thebolt | for specific rooms, sure |
| 07:35.22 | thebolt | (for us we want sub 10, or even better single cm positioning when indoors) |
| 07:35.26 | atri | kblin:i did not find irc client on irc.worldforge.org |
| 07:36.10 | Catfish_Man | atri: irc is not normally web-based |
| 07:36.17 | Catfish_Man | freenode is an exception, not the norm |
| 07:36.28 | atri | ok |
| 07:37.22 | kblin | ah, passive signal sampling |
| 07:37.33 | kblin | I didn't actually think of that one |
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| 07:38.02 | kblin | but of course a vision-based approach would be even more fun |
| 07:38.26 | kblin | I'm still working on a smart vacuum cleaner solution |
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| 07:50.05 | meem1029 | hola |
| 07:51.20 | atri | meem1029:you think it is a good idea,right? |
| 07:51.45 | meem1029 | I think it sounds pretty sweet. My opinion isn't what matters though, it's the devs of the projects that decide. |
| 07:52.00 | atri | I was thinking, |
| 07:52.10 | atri | should i float it independently, |
| 07:52.19 | atri | so that it can be implemented in any RPG? |
| 07:52.32 | atri | not just specefic to one project? |
| 07:53.32 | meem1029 | While developing you can try to make it as independent as possible, but gsoc is based around open source organizations, so you need a project that it is based on. |
| 07:54.04 | atri | ok |
| 07:54.20 | atri | as kblin said,i'll try out on worldforge |
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| 07:56.16 | meem1029 | kblin, I'm glad you mentioned worldforge. I hadn't heard of it before and am now looking at it and it looks really sweet. Whether or not I end up doing gsoc at all I am going to think about trying to get involved in that project. |
| 07:57.21 | kblin | oh dear. I hope this email is artificial stupidity, not human stupidity. apart from having one buzzword in common with my question, that tech support answer might be to another customer all together |
| 07:58.01 | thebolt | haha |
| 07:58.31 | meem1029 | ya, that is really frustrating |
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| 07:59.58 | kblin | "dear telefonica, how do I make your router stop bocking ICMPv6 on the internal network? I can't get IPv6 to work from wireless to wired devices on your router" "dear user, telefonica is already routing IPv6 on our network. we are focusing on the market requirements and will be rolling out IPv6 to customers very soon" |
| 08:00.16 | kblin | thanks, but not what I asked |
| 08:00.20 | meem1029 | facepalms. |
| 08:01.19 | kblin | I'll try again asking for the data to set up the second dsl account they use to run VoIP over |
| 08:02.19 | kblin | then maybe I can replace their router with one that's less dumbed down |
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| 08:04.50 | atri | Thanks a ton guys |
| 08:05.09 | atri | if anybody has anymore community suggestions for my idea,please,do let me know |
| 08:05.46 | ojwb | not wanting to put too much of a downer on it, but thinking of an idea and then trying to find an org to "sell" it to tends to work less well |
| 08:06.13 | atri | actually,no |
| 08:06.27 | meem1029 | Very true. Looking at things, his idea does seem like it should fit into worldforge quite well though. |
| 08:06.37 | atri | I believe my idea can be implemented on any RPG community |
| 08:06.56 | atri | yup,worldforge seems to be good with my iedea |
| 08:07.01 | atri | *idea |
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| 08:09.29 | spacetime | what percentage of gsoc projects survive after the term? |
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| 08:17.44 | kblin | spacetime: define survive? |
| 08:19.03 | spacetime | I saw this interesting project for kde. But the guy seems to have abandoned it after pencils down. This sort of survival |
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| 08:19.50 | kblin | I'm not sure if anyone has numbers for that |
| 08:20.34 | spacetime | but is it common? or did I come across an anomaly? |
| 08:21.52 | kblin | I'm afraid it's rather common |
| 08:22.26 | kblin | a lot of students need to focus on their coursework again once summer break is over |
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| 08:22.38 | thiago | we're happy if 20% of the students stick around after pencils down |
| 08:23.03 | thiago | some of the students have become good contributors later, even if not on the project they had been working on |
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| 08:25.35 | spacetime | hmm.. is it a good idea for other students to continue with that abandoned project in gsoc? |
| 08:26.22 | thiago | sure |
| 08:26.30 | thiago | if the project will take it, definitely |
| 08:27.19 | thiago | taking a perfect example of this: in GSoC 2006, there was a project called "kamion" which was a way for users to save their settings and transfer to another machine (or backup) |
| 08:27.29 | thiago | ivan became a good KDE contributor afterwards |
| 08:27.45 | thiago | but if someone were to continue kamion and make it even better, ready for release, why not? |
| 08:28.05 | spacetime | I've heard about Ivan :) |
| 08:28.42 | thiago | I'm not going to try and spell his surname |
| 08:29.30 | spacetime | you'll probably crash irc |
| 08:29.47 | thiago | or I'll butcher his family name in the process... |
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| 08:30.41 | spacetime | whatever happens won't end well |
| 08:31.09 | spacetime | I'll get going now. Exams soon. Thanks thiago! |
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| 08:31.26 | spacetime | and kblin ! |
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| 15:53.48 | pc_magas | Hello does anyone participated in older sessions of google summer of code? |
| 15:55.58 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 15:56.01 | vytas | pc_magas: I believe there are nothing stopping you to do that |
| 15:56.30 | pc_magas | <vytas>Except from Exams |
| 15:57.53 | pc_magas | That start in june and it ends on 6 th of july |
| 15:58.27 | pc_magas | How did they manage to pussh thrhough exams and make in time to google summer of code? |
| 15:59.21 | pc_magas | Is anyohe here frem greece? |
| 15:59.24 | pc_magas | from* |
| 15:59.30 | pc_magas | Greece* |
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| 16:02.09 | kai | pc_magas: talk to your potential mentors |
| 16:03.10 | pc_magas | In FAQ is said you will need a Foreighn Certification Form. What kinfd of form is this? |
| 16:03.14 | pc_magas | kand* |
| 16:03.16 | pc_magas | kind* |
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| 16:03.19 | alse_ | students can start applying only in march right?? |
| 16:03.42 | vytas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.12 | pc_magas | Where can I find mentors? |
| 16:05.23 | vytas | pc_magas: there are no official mentors yet, but you can google and find some who are thinking to apply |
| 16:06.10 | pc_magas | But what is foreighn Certification Form where can I find it in Greece? |
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| 16:07.17 | pc_magas | Is it a language Certification? |
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| 16:18.44 | vytas | pc_magas: I believe this is a form from GSoC 2011 http://google-summer-of-code.googlecode.com/files/GSOC2011ForeignCertificationForm.pdf for more information refer to: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo please double check these links, as I didn't participate in GSoC 2011 |
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| 16:26.43 | pc_magas | The money will be giver with prepaid card? |
| 16:27.01 | pc_magas | As I read here http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentpaymentcards |
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| 16:32.15 | pc_magas | About non US students what type of tax documentation is needed 9Especially from Greece) |
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| 16:36.14 | pc_magas | Fopr students that arlready been participated into Free software project if it resister into google summer of code do they hat to built it from scrach? |
| 16:36.17 | pc_magas | again |
| 16:36.38 | pc_magas | Or make a huge evolution in it? |
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| 16:37.41 | |Kev| | I'm not sure I understand the question, but projects are intended to be roughly the amount of work that would be done by an FTE over the course of the summer. |
| 16:38.03 | |Kev| | Or my projects are, anyway. |
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| 17:34.14 | cfoch3 | hi |
| 17:35.49 | cfoch3 | could somebody tell me what organizations are going to participate in the GSoC 2012? |
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| 17:36.24 | gevaerts | No |
| 17:36.44 | gevaerts | Organisations haven't even started applying yet |
| 17:37.56 | cfoch3 | when is the list of organizations going to be published? |
| 17:38.20 | gevaerts | !timeline | cfoch3 |
| 17:38.20 | gsocbot | cfoch3: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 17:39.04 | gevaerts | You can of course look at last year's list to get some idea, but there *will* be changes |
| 17:39.08 | cfoch3 | 'cause i thought it was on february 14th |
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| 18:12.21 | gaurav_sood91 | hi al |
| 18:12.49 | gaurav_sood91 | am looking for a project to undertake for this years gsoc. gnome or gnome subprojects seem to be my choice. any ideas? |
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| 18:14.53 | JordiGH | gaurav_sood91: Well, Gnome will probably get accepted. So you should look into doing something for Gnome. |
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| 18:16.51 | gaurav_sood91 | JordiGH: yeah. am looking to contribute in gnome only. any ideas on some projects? having a look at the 2011 ones. |
| 18:17.19 | JordiGH | Possibly some of those are still good for 2012. There's a #gnome channel (and I think #gnome-dev). Go ask them. |
| 18:18.12 | gaurav_sood91 | JordiGH: i guess i'll do that then and await a reply there. thanks..:) |
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| 19:17.43 | DrewFitz | Hey |
| 19:21.38 | DrewFitz | I had a question that isn't really in the FAQ about eligibility. |
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| 19:23.33 | ThomasWaldmann | DrewFitz: but now you've lost it? |
| 19:24.00 | DrewFitz | Yeah |
| 19:24.34 | DrewFitz | But seriously: |
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| 19:25.13 | DrewFitz | I'm not currently enrolled at my university, but am going to be in the fall, so am I elligible for the 2012 GSOC? |
| 19:26.27 | ThomasWaldmann | that should be clearly defined in the rules |
| 19:26.40 | dhaun | DrewFitz: there's a cutoff date mentioned in the FAQ - sometime in April, IIRC - when you need to be enrolled to be eligible for this GSoC |
| 19:27.09 | DrewFitz | I did see that. |
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| 19:28.19 | DrewFitz | I've essentially taken 2 semesters off, and am coming back to the same school, so I was wondering if that made any difference. |
| 19:28.58 | dhaun | you need to provide something in writing that your university considers you a student at that date - doesn't matter which uni ;-) |
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| 19:29.53 | DrewFitz | ok thanks |
| 19:30.07 | ThomasWaldmann | DrewFitz: 23. april 2012 |
| 19:30.37 | ThomasWaldmann | i guess that state of things at that date counts, see http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/student_agreement |
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| 19:31.24 | ThomasWaldmann | 1.3 does NOT clearly state that, though. |
| 19:31.45 | DrewFitz | That was the bit that confused me. |
| 19:31.54 | DrewFitz | I'm accepted there, but not enrolled. |
| 19:32.38 | DrewFitz | Or am enrolled, but not signed up for classes. |
| 19:32.52 | DrewFitz | Crap, I just need to check with my university. |
| 19:33.40 | dhaun | 1.8(b) asks for a "proof of enrollment status" |
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| 19:45.31 | DrewFitz | well thanks for the info |
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