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| 04:12.09 | techstein | hello, i would like to know will gsoc be held this yr? |
| 04:18.20 | techstein | ican program in c,c++,python |
| 04:19.08 | techstein | which organisations could mentor me |
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| 04:51.16 | zamN | Any word on when GSoC 2012 will be announced? |
| 04:53.59 | bahaa | probably late march |
| 04:54.05 | bahaa | like last year |
| 04:54.43 | bahaa | are you fired up zamN? |
| 05:02.30 | techstein | where can i discuss ideas for potential projects? |
| 05:05.15 | techstein | or is it too early to do so.... |
| 05:05.34 | rodrigods | last year it was announced in January |
| 05:05.43 | bahaa | really? |
| 05:06.23 | rodrigods | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 |
| 05:11.16 | techstein | is it too early to discuss with the community, the ideas for projects |
| 05:14.09 | Catfish_Man | techstein: the best "early" thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor |
| 05:14.21 | Catfish_Man | techstein: that way, when gsoc rolls around, you'll already be known, and have an idea how the project works |
| 05:15.39 | techstein | okay.. but i had an idea for a software.. where can i discuss that |
| 05:17.05 | techstein | i just have an idea... i dont know whether or how can i implement it |
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| 05:21.12 | Catfish_Man | techstein: gsoc is more about improving existing software than doing new ideas, unless it's a new idea that fits into the scope of an existing OSS project |
| 05:22.39 | techstein | okay.. |
| 05:23.12 | techstein | thank you :) |
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| 05:24.11 | techstein | i am good in c/c++/python and know a bit of scheme |
| 05:24.34 | techstein | so ny leads as to which organisations should i look into |
| 05:26.05 | Catfish_Man | techstein: personally speaking, I find it hard to work on software I don't use myself. So I'd try to find something I'm excited about, then see what language they use |
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| 05:27.38 | techstein | bbl |
| 05:27.46 | techstein | g2g |
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| 06:15.49 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I'm trying to come up with a good keyword for gsocbot to remember what you just said, basically that's all the pre-gsoc advice we can give people in a nutshell |
| 06:16.09 | Catfish_Man | "before"? "pre-gsoc"? I dunno |
| 06:17.24 | kblin | !learn pre-gsoc as The best "early" thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor |
| 06:17.25 | gsocbot | kblin: "pre-gsoc" is The best early thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor |
| 06:17.38 | kblin | hey, how did the newline sneak in there? |
| 06:17.53 | kblin | !forget pre-gsoc |
| 06:17.53 | gsocbot | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:19.13 | kblin | !learn pre-gsoc as The best "early" thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor. Try to find something that you're excited about. |
| 06:19.13 | gsocbot | kblin: "pre-gsoc" is The best early thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor. Try to find something that you're excited about. |
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| 06:43.01 | zamN | Catfish_Man: do you work for google? |
| 06:43.08 | Catfish_Man | I don't |
| 06:43.13 | zamN | oh how do you have ops? |
| 06:43.39 | Catfish_Man | I've been helping out with gsoc since 2006; I got ops back on the old channel to help deal with spammers while Leslie was out |
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| 06:49.36 | kblin | actually not many of the ops are googlers |
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| 07:38.23 | harshvardhan | hii,, do i need to be associated with an organisation for past few months or do organisations also select totaly newbies?? |
| 07:40.04 | Catfish_Man | harshvardhan: organizations expect most students applying to not have previously been involved |
| 07:40.15 | Catfish_Man | one of the main goals of GSoC is to get new people involved in OSS |
| 07:42.35 | harshvardhan | Catfish_Man:thanx |
| 07:42.39 | Catfish_Man | no problem |
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| 15:40.07 | exat | hey everyone i just wanted to ask if its ok that i dont know anything abt the projects and wat to do but still wanna do gsoc |
| 15:40.12 | exat | :) |
| 15:40.28 | exat | i know its a vague questoin |
| 15:40.54 | weltall | well it's a goal of gsoc getting students to know projects |
| 15:41.03 | kblin | !pre-gsoc | exat |
| 15:41.04 | gsocbot | exat: "pre-gsoc" is The best early thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor. Try to find something that you're excited about. |
| 15:41.10 | exat | is it very late to start now |
| 15:41.20 | weltall | it's very early to start now |
| 15:41.21 | exat | ? |
| 15:41.27 | exat | ohh nice... |
| 15:41.36 | exat | that gives me a lil confidence |
| 15:41.47 | weltall | gsoc wasn't even announced so we don't know if there will be one |
| 15:41.51 | exat | so i am nil ryt now... will that be ok? |
| 15:42.32 | weltall | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 => even though the graphics makes it looks like there will be one :) |
| 15:42.42 | weltall | first time i see that heading ^^ |
| 15:43.23 | weltall | likes more this years artwork *hides* |
| 15:43.48 | weltall | nil ryt? i assume ryt is right but nil? |
| 15:44.47 | exat | i mean no knowledge abt the projects going on and the organisations |
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| 15:45.46 | MatthewWilkes | exat: Please try and spell the words you're using out fully, it's hard to understand you. |
| 15:45.54 | exat | ok... |
| 15:45.58 | exat | srry for that |
| 15:46.00 | weltall | taken for granted gsoc will happen this year... well organizations would first apply and google would show the list of accepted ones. |
| 15:46.04 | exat | sorry |
| 15:46.32 | weltall | the organizations would have to submit a list of ideas you can grow your proposal on them or try to ask the organization about your own idea |
| 15:46.56 | weltall | proposing it... |
| 15:47.28 | exat | yeah but there is no guarantee that an org i apply in will be definitely selected this year |
| 15:47.44 | weltall | you apply after they are selected |
| 15:48.02 | weltall | first there is the application period for orgs then the application period for students |
| 15:48.31 | exat | i mean preparation for getting into an organisation ... that i will have to see now isnt it? |
| 15:48.34 | weltall | you might look at last year orgs to have an head ups but it ends there. you cannot be sure they will be there this year http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 15:49.17 | exat | ya i saw that and i have made up my mind about some organisations as well |
| 15:49.23 | weltall | as for gsoc you don't get in an organization you put proposals then the organization chooses you |
| 15:49.34 | exat | yea..i get it |
| 15:49.50 | weltall | different organizations could put additional restrains but you've to talk with their rappresentatives |
| 15:50.13 | exat | i mean getting into working for organisation |
| 15:50.19 | exat | not really getting into it |
| 15:50.36 | weltall | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.25 | weltall | well if you want to help in an organization regardless of gsoc usually you start by helping them directly: proposing a patch, helping in the bugtracker, documentation etc. again this depends on the nature of the organization and opensource project |
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| 16:21.08 | techstein | weltall: thanks for the link to the book. it answers many of my queries :) |
| 16:22.41 | weltall | :) |
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| 16:37.17 | exat | is there a project which requries basic knowledge in c? |
| 16:40.28 | exat | was pidgin accepted this year? |
| 16:40.31 | exat | 2011? |
| 16:52.35 | MatthewWilkes | exat: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 16:52.55 | exat | ok... |
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| 19:01.49 | exat | hello eveyone |
| 19:02.24 | exat | is there any org in gsoc last yr which deals with network prog in c? |
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| 19:32.12 | exatron | hello everyone |
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| 20:23.25 | exatron | how do i start to gather knowledge for fixing bugs |
| 20:23.30 | exatron | is it very difficult? |
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| 20:26.46 | ojwb | exatron: I'd suggest starting by trying to reproduce the bug in the latest version of the software |
| 20:27.14 | ojwb | even if you don't get any further, that's a useful thing to note in the report if it was reported against an older version |
| 20:28.06 | exatron | ok |
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| 20:34.33 | ojwb | if there's something to reproduce it with (input file, steps to follow, etc) you can try cutting out bits and see if you can find a simpler one |
| 20:35.49 | ojwb | and ultimately work out where in the code the cause is - usually you can narrow down fairly quickly |
| 20:37.10 | dfighter | there is a magical tool, called a debugger, with such wonderious things as breakpoints to help your endavours in bugland! |
| 20:38.26 | exatron | i asked this as someone suggested me to do this so as to get knowabout of the org and the projects they work on |
| 20:38.32 | exatron | to apply in gsoc basically |
| 20:39.24 | dfighter | if there will be GSOC this year that is |
| 20:40.06 | dfighter | Google might have to spend all their moniez on Motorola Mobility in the patent wars >;-D |
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| 21:11.50 | ojwb | dfighter: there is, but picking where to set a breakpoint is something of an art |
| 21:12.11 | ojwb | it's hard to talk usefully in detail about generalities though |
| 21:13.06 | gevaerts | thinks that learning to debug is best done with a bug that annoys you personally |
| 21:13.30 | ojwb | debugging - this time it's personal |
| 21:13.40 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:14.13 | gevaerts | Oh, and it helps if the bug isn't of the stack corrupting type the first time around |
| 21:15.15 | dfighter | or heap |
| 21:15.25 | dfighter | but then you can just use valgrind |
| 21:16.18 | gevaerts | Yes, heap is better than stack |
| 21:16.27 | gevaerts | Well, it depends |
| 21:16.34 | thiago | use the heap and valgrind |
| 21:16.40 | gevaerts | If the stack is in the right state, finding out where you are is fun |
| 21:20.54 | ojwb | fwiw, the asker left some time ago |
| 21:21.17 | gevaerts | Who cares? :) |
| 21:21.19 | ojwb | this is of wider interest of course |
| 21:21.20 | scorche|sh | when did that ever matter? ;) |
| 21:21.38 | thiago | it's even better |
| 21:21.42 | ojwb | i didn't mean to imply it did |
| 21:21.48 | thiago | we can continue discussing without ever knowing which solution would solve the problem |
| 21:21.53 | ojwb | i just noticed |
| 21:24.34 | weltall | and debugging in an environent without breakpoints? :P |
| 21:24.42 | thiago | watchpoints |
| 21:24.47 | thiago | you can watch the stack |
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| 21:25.01 | weltall | and without a debugger too |
| 21:25.18 | weltall | the art of printf debugging XD |
| 21:25.35 | abhinav- | "The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. ~B. W. Kernighan |
| 21:25.36 | thiago | but then you have the problem of the Uncertainty Principle |
| 21:25.59 | thiago | adding a printf changes the program being debugged. The problem might go away. |
| 21:26.10 | thiago | a heisenbug |
| 21:28.42 | weltall | yeah noticed that with allignment issues in some platforms |
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| 21:29.23 | gevaerts | Those can be fun, yes |
| 21:30.51 | ojwb | applying a debugger can also change program behaviour |
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| 21:32.46 | ojwb | in my youth, I debugged something by adding code to toggle a keyboard LED and just moved that code around and reran to narrow down where it crashed |
| 21:33.00 | ojwb | even a single bit of info is enough |
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| 21:34.56 | dfighter | steals carols' tea since he cannot drink coffee |
| 21:35.05 | carols | enjoy dfighter :-) |
| 21:35.10 | dfighter | ty |
| 21:35.29 | gevaerts | brings in more tea so everyone can have some |
| 21:35.51 | dfighter | sounds good, let's go to Boston and have another tea party! |
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