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| 00:41.56 | wkoszek | So do other coordinators do something before the end of GCIN? Official summary etc.. ? |
| 00:42.19 | wkoszek | I wonder how much time do I have to allocate for GCIN this weekend. |
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| 00:53.32 | vperic | whoszek: I'm not a coordinator, just a mentor, but I did intend to write some kind of unofficial summary and my thoughts on the process: how much it helped us etc. |
| 00:53.46 | vperic | wkoszek, sorry. ^^ |
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| 04:11.39 | dberkholz | lh: gonna be at oscon? |
| 04:11.59 | lh | dberkholz: absolutely. |
| 04:13.13 | dberkholz | lh: i was thinking of proposing a few sessions, wondering if you were interested in co-proposing 1-2 sessions with me |
| 04:13.41 | dberkholz | just gotta remember my o'reilly password... |
| 04:14.03 | lh | dberkholz: yes with a but, which is I am editing another panel proposal right now and a blog post for work. I have to work on those first. |
| 04:14.08 | lh | dberkholz: what did you have in mind? |
| 04:14.41 | dberkholz | lh: the main one that made me think of you was something like "Where are the developers? Recruiting new contributors" |
| 04:14.46 | dberkholz | (draft title) |
| 04:14.59 | lh | dberkholz: Ok, I like. |
| 04:15.40 | dberkholz | lh: other ideas are "Leading a leaderless project" and the assholes one, if you're interested/qualified for either of those, you're also welcome |
| 04:15.57 | lh | dberkholz: tell me more about the leaderless project one |
| 04:16.09 | lh | you know, there's something in me that really just wants to give the assholes talk. |
| 04:16.13 | lh | like really badly. |
| 04:16.16 | lh | :) |
| 04:16.47 | dberkholz | it would be nice to see it evolve, i've been giving too similar a version for a while now |
| 04:16.56 | Catfish_Man | give in to the dark side, lh ;D |
| 04:17.31 | dberkholz | lh: oscon's looking for talks about 'Leadership in the changing Open Source culture' whatever that means. so just thinking they might like something about how to get stuff done when there's no single person in charge. e.g. gentoo |
| 04:17.37 | lh | Catfish_Man: done |
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| 04:17.57 | lh | dberkholz: i am bad at no single person in charge. i'll take assholes for $1000 |
| 04:18.01 | dberkholz | lh: how long will you be around tonight? proposals are due in 4 hrs |
| 04:18.09 | lh | dberkholz: until midnight at least :) |
| 04:18.19 | dberkholz | ok, it's 8 there, so i guess we're good. |
| 04:18.29 | lh | also, i have now sworn up a storm in #gsoc. i am ashamed of myself. |
| 04:18.43 | lh | Catfish_Man: apparently, i have given into the dark side indeed. |
| 04:18.53 | dberkholz | just pretend you're british, then it would be a different word. |
| 04:18.59 | Catfish_Man | lh: good times. We have home made buffalo wings here :D |
| 04:19.15 | lh | dberkholz: i love this plan! |
| 04:19.26 | scorche | lh! \o/ |
| 04:19.47 | lh | Catfish_Man: I am so jealous. Please hug siobahnv for me |
| 04:19.48 | dberkholz | lh: alright i'll toss a couple abstracts together for the recruitment and a-holes and shoot 'em your way |
| 04:19.49 | lh | scorche: greets! |
| 04:19.56 | lh | dberkholz: rock thank you. |
| 04:19.59 | Catfish_Man | lh: roger that, one moment |
| 04:20.02 | lh | wanders off in search of coffee |
| 04:20.15 | lh | Catfish_Man: your prompt attention to this request is greatly appreciated. |
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| 04:20.38 | summatusmentis | lh! |
| 04:20.41 | summatusmentis | hi |
| 04:20.44 | Catfish_Man | lh: hug delivered, and she approves of giving a talk on assholes |
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| 04:23.51 | lh | summatusmentis: Jake! hi |
| 04:23.53 | lh | Catfish_Man: rock |
| 04:23.57 | lh | i missed you guys |
| 04:23.59 | lh | hi! |
| 04:24.08 | summatusmentis | what are the haps? |
| 04:24.11 | lh | focus, blog post. |
| 04:24.12 | lh | brb |
| 04:25.09 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: they're one of the most prominent historical royal houses of europe, but that's not important right now |
| 04:25.31 | summatusmentis | best answer I've received to that question, ever |
| 04:25.33 | summatusmentis | hands down. |
| 04:25.37 | summatusmentis | +5 internets |
| 04:25.42 | Catfish_Man | takes a bow |
| 04:29.12 | Catfish_Man | yay wings are done! back later everyone |
| 04:31.03 | dberkholz | lh: here's the first one: http://pastebin.com/c8RcZaxL |
| 04:32.11 | lh | dberkholz: i dig it ship it |
| 04:32.23 | dberkholz | gotta write the other from scratch, so it'll take a bit longer |
| 04:35.00 | lh | dberkholz: k |
| 04:35.01 | lh | thanks :) |
| 04:41.25 | dberkholz | lh: what's your email in the oreilly conference system? need it to add you as a speaker |
| 04:41.31 | lh | mebelh@gmail.com |
| 04:41.52 | dberkholz | lh: url to high-res photo? |
| 04:42.23 | lh | dberkholz: app fog headshot not ready yet. please use http://www.flickr.com/photos/johndbritton/3370745222/ as a placeholder. |
| 04:42.29 | lh | will make arrangements to get it updated as needed |
| 04:43.06 | dberkholz | alright, one in, two to go. |
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| 04:47.43 | dberkholz | hmm, i think i basically did this talk at the gsoc summit this year. just need to remember what i claimed the important points were. |
| 04:47.49 | dberkholz | maybe it's on the wiki |
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| 05:03.19 | dberkholz | lh: here's a draft for the next talk: http://pastebin.com/rFAiJjqq |
| 05:03.54 | lh | dberkholz: i'm in |
| 05:04.00 | lh | leslie managed the summer of code program for four years |
| 05:04.09 | lh | :) |
| 05:04.14 | lh | other than that, lgtm |
| 05:04.41 | dberkholz | got it |
| 05:05.05 | summatusmentis | "leslie ruled the summer of code program with an iron fist for four years" |
| 05:05.11 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 05:07.20 | lh | summatusmentis: i thought it was through free couch, tea, coffee, cookies and virtual hugs. and cucumber sandwiches for Catfish_Man and fruit and cheese plate for scorche |
| 05:07.37 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 05:07.48 | lh | and cocoa for pygi, but he's not here |
| 05:07.50 | lh | :) |
| 05:07.57 | summatusmentis | "iron fist" isn't code for "free couch and virtual hugs"? |
| 05:08.02 | summatusmentis | nevermind then |
| 05:08.05 | lh | summatusmentis: an excellent point you make. |
| 05:08.17 | lh | not sure iron fist really encompasses the cocoa though. |
| 05:08.32 | summatusmentis | noted :) |
| 05:09.26 | dberkholz | it was more like an iron pinky finger |
| 05:10.54 | summatusmentis | oh! lh. My (tentative) PhD advisor seems completely open to, and interested in, technology as a mechanism for social justice |
| 05:10.57 | summatusmentis | fyi |
| 05:11.19 | summatusmentis | might be a year or so before I get anywhere meaningful, being a first-year and things |
| 05:11.26 | dberkholz | like the benetech stuff? |
| 05:11.27 | summatusmentis | but yeah |
| 05:11.29 | lh | summatusmentis: Oh hellz yeah |
| 05:11.34 | lh | oh hells yeah |
| 05:11.39 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: benetech? I've never heard of that |
| 05:11.39 | lh | dberkholz: nice |
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| 05:11.58 | dberkholz | look it up, then |
| 05:12.00 | lh | summatusmentis: http://www.benetech.org/ - cool dudes |
| 05:13.10 | summatusmentis | yeah, this looks neat |
| 05:13.34 | summatusmentis | I need to figure out how to get a dissertation out of the concept, but yeah, conceptually very similar |
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| 05:14.54 | dberkholz | summatusmentis: would be super cool to collaborate with them instead of making some standalone thing on your own |
| 05:15.10 | dberkholz | doctoral projects have a tendency to die after the candidate moves on |
| 05:15.43 | dberkholz | and if you really care about social justice, you should want your code to live on and to get in the hands of as many people as possible |
| 05:16.25 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: that's an interesting concept, actually |
| 05:16.26 | dberkholz | it doesn't say a lot about it on their website, but their stuff is open source (all of it, afaik) |
| 05:17.16 | summatusmentis | the research group I'm working with tends to keep projects going, because the projects are designed to be longer term (the actual research is HCI stuff, motivation, social computing, etc.) |
| 05:17.38 | dberkholz | i see that their volunteer page even specifically lists engineers for research projects |
| 05:17.45 | summatusmentis | so I'm relatively confident that if I was able to get something started, they'd keep it going for a while |
| 05:17.56 | summatusmentis | but collaboration is an interesting idea |
| 05:18.10 | dberkholz | right. problem with academic groups is that the focus is publication/conferences, not actually getting the software used |
| 05:18.27 | dberkholz | at least not by people who won't be citing it |
| 05:18.37 | summatusmentis | getting our software used is how we make publications |
| 05:18.48 | summatusmentis | but yes, I agree, the motivation is different |
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| 05:19.46 | summatusmentis | theyir Martus project sounds really cool |
| 05:19.53 | summatusmentis | spelling is hard |
| 05:21.27 | dberkholz | hmm. this third proposal is pretty tricky to write. not sure i could give a good enough talk on it. |
| 05:23.27 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: this looks like a cool resource, thanks |
| 05:25.39 | dberkholz | np |
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| 05:27.12 | AndChat | Hi :-) |
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| 05:41.12 | lh | dberkholz: do you want to bounce ideas for leaderless projects? |
| 05:41.41 | dberkholz | lh: trying to sort out who exactly my audience is and how that ties in with the people at oscon |
| 05:41.51 | lh | for example, i would want to talk about some of the observations made by david eaves http://www.csedev.com/lets-talk-with-david-eaves-part-iii/ |
| 05:41.57 | dberkholz | leading an open-source project isn't exactly something you come in and do as an OSS amateur |
| 05:42.11 | lh | dberkholz: no, no you do not. |
| 05:43.24 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: is it about establishing a leader, or dealing with the absence of one? If the latter, I need to send the current adium team to it |
| 05:44.10 | dberkholz | absent leaders (cough, Catfish_Man) need to stop abdicating their responsibilities and appoint successors |
| 05:44.31 | Catfish_Man | heh. I think I was the Adium lead dev for like 3 months :P |
| 05:44.42 | dberkholz | that's the final duty of the person in charge before leaving |
| 05:45.03 | dberkholz | otherwise it might as well be a hit-by-a-bus scenario |
| 05:46.41 | Catfish_Man | zac was my successor I think, it was a strange period. We were also the only two developers |
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| 14:36.21 | SeySayux | When will registrations for GSOC 2012 be available? |
| 14:37.02 | vperic | SeySayux, if the program gets officially announced again (but there's really no reason it won't), it'll be around end of March, beginning of April. |
| 14:37.52 | SeySayux | vperic: Okay, thanks, I don't want to be late :) |
| 14:38.10 | vperic | SeySayux, you can follow the Google Open Source Blog, it'll be announced there. |
| 14:38.46 | SeySayux | How much time do I have to register once it gets announced? |
| 14:39.40 | vperic | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline |
| 14:40.02 | vperic | That's a best guess. :) |
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| 14:43.19 | SeySayux | Okay, I'll check again begin February for a timeline, thanks |
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| 15:50.34 | wkoszek | Will we have a central page with uploaded results once GCIN is finished? |
| 15:51.27 | wkoszek | I wonder if I have to copy it under my home page and make a page and provide links in my 'here is what we got from GCIN' letter, or something like that already exists in Melange? |
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| 16:33.04 | manugupt1 | Just a question, if a task remains unclosed by the mentor by the end of the GCI period.. What will be the status of the task.. Will it be treated as Done or Not Done by the student? |
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| 16:35.30 | Nightrose | manugupt1: iirc last year there were a few days where these tasks could be closed still |
| 16:35.35 | Nightrose | but no longer worked on |
| 16:36.29 | manugupt1 | Nightrose: Thanks a lot.. that may help some students because of the weekend |
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| 17:00.58 | m4tx | ho all |
| 17:01.01 | m4tx | hi* |
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| 17:36.12 | cbosdonnat | Hello people |
| 17:37.18 | cbosdonnat | are there people who handled the GSoc payments through SPI? |
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| 18:27.48 | passstab | anyone have a last minute task for me? |
| 18:28.11 | passstab | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/student_tasks/google/gci2011/passstab |
| 18:28.57 | passstab | i'll finish my current task soon and then i'll need one more |
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| 18:31.52 | SeySayux | What? I can actually enlist not only univerisity, but also high-school students to do jobs I don't like! Woohoo! |
| 18:32.31 | passstab | do you has one for me? |
| 18:33.45 | SeySayux | Unfortunately, my project does not participate in code-in. |
| 18:33.59 | passstab | whats that? |
| 18:34.36 | SeySayux | code-in, you know, http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2011 |
| 18:34.58 | passstab | no your project |
| 18:35.03 | passstab | :P |
| 18:35.06 | SeySayux | http://libsylph.sf.net/ |
| 18:36.17 | passstab | sees alot of word he don't get |
| 18:36.22 | passstab | :P |
| 18:37.22 | passstab | any mentors here with a quick task? |
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| 18:53.43 | Nightrose | xstyle: hey :) you want sven423 for the amarok task |
| 18:54.15 | xstyle | Thanks! :) |
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| 18:58.58 | sven423 | xstyle: you are the student who just claimed the "Amazon store context view" task? |
| 19:00.57 | xstyle | Yes |
| 19:01.07 | sven423 | perfect ^^ |
| 19:06.37 | passstab | SUPER easy task for anyone who knows html |
| 19:06.59 | passstab | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7224212 |
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| 20:57.23 | Alex11223 | what happened with melange? headers (timer, title etc.) disapeared :( |
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| 20:59.48 | jacktheripper | Alex11223, ? |
| 20:59.54 | jacktheripper | main page you mean ? |
| 21:00.19 | Alex11223 | task pages |
| 21:01.02 | jacktheripper | oh you're right |
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| 21:09.43 | xstyle | It seems to work if you're not logged in... |
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| 21:26.45 | laurion_ | what are you doing, the header of the task page dissappeared |
| 21:27.08 | laurion_ | (with title, difficulty, status, clock) |
| 21:27.24 | laurion_ | for all the tasks |
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| 21:34.10 | ojwb | laurion_: someone else mentioned it earlier too |
| 21:34.22 | ojwb | laurion_: report it on #melange I'd suggest |
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| 21:59.10 | thomas888 | Something is weird with the google code in site(google-melange.com). It doesnt show the description of any task |
| 22:00.20 | ojwb | thomas888: tell them on #melange |
| 22:00.52 | thomas888 | k didnt know that |
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| 23:08.21 | koda | umh melange is broken right now, right? |
| 23:08.53 | gevaerts | koda: #melange is full of unhappy people right now, yes |
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| 23:12.13 | xstyle | You can see description and timer if you're not logged in. Just use a different browser |
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