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| 07:58.14 | redheadphones | just curious, but what's the deal with the cool t-shirts? are they coming in another package at some point? |
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| 08:01.06 | akshayagr | tshirts will come after we have successfully completed the GSOC program |
| 08:01.31 | redheadphones | oh, i see |
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| 08:44.15 | Gabor_Bernat | Hello, I try to register my Citi Card, however I get the following error message: The Prefix of the Primary Phone number is invalid. Please re-enter. |
| 08:44.39 | Gabor_Bernat | Given that this is: 165 - 0253300 ... I don't get it what's the problem :-? |
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| 08:53.15 | Gekz | Gabor_Bernat: apparently a lot of people are having that problem. |
| 08:53.17 | Gekz | from what i've seen on the mailing list |
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| 09:03.24 | Gabor_Bernat | well the official California phone number prefixes are (California 209 213 310 323 408 415 424 442 510 530 559 562 619 626 650 657 661 707 714 747 760 805 818 831 858 909 916 925 949 951).... so no wonder the 165 jumps out as invalid. |
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| 09:04.22 | jrabbit | Gabor_Bernat: maybe it was mispritned? |
| 09:04.27 | jrabbit | whats the citi website say |
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| 09:05.38 | Gabor_Bernat | the city website says the 165 - 0253300 is invalid... literally: : The Prefix of the Primary Phone number is invalid. Please re-enter. |
| 09:06.23 | Gabor_Bernat | so now either the City website is outdated (perhapsh the 165 is a new California prefix) or they introduced a wrong prefix number... |
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| 09:09.05 | Gabor_Bernat | the fact that the City phone number given is always busy doesn't helps either.... well in any case, :) time will fix the issues |
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| 09:13.26 | baer | Gabor_Bernat: citi does not care about non-californian area codes |
| 09:14.14 | baer | are you sure you entered the correct number? |
| 09:14.46 | baer | because 650 is iirc the area code for mountain view so 1650 could be country code + area code ;) |
| 09:16.40 | Gabor_Bernat | oh my, ;)) my bad. the value there was the default one... now I see that on the paper sent there exist the correct one "D |
| 09:18.06 | Ivanovic | the americans are a little strange in regards to country codes |
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| 09:18.15 | Ivanovic | they do *not* use some 00 or + to show them |
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| 09:20.38 | jrabbit | Other countries? :P |
| 09:23.26 | MatthewWilkes | jrabbit: Yeah, like Europe, and Iraq |
| 09:23.58 | Ivanovic | don't forget taliban country |
| 09:24.06 | Ivanovic | also known as afghanistan |
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| 10:08.12 | Waren | yo |
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| 10:55.13 | saksham | any IRC room for C programming general doubts? |
| 10:55.32 | shm | #C? |
| 10:56.01 | Ivanovic | probably more like ##C |
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| 10:56.29 | Ivanovic | (since 'C' in itself is not a project, so following the freenode conventions it should be ##) |
| 10:56.43 | ojwb | wonders if there's a ##C# |
| 10:56.49 | ojwb | if only there was a way to find out |
| 10:57.27 | saksham | cant join it says (##C) |
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| 11:00.42 | abhinav- | saksham: you need to identify your nick |
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| 11:41.50 | alinrus | hm anyone figured out how to use your last year account on prepaid.citi.com with the new card? |
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| 12:34.19 | kuxv | what is that postal code in citibank card registration? |
| 12:34.29 | dennda | google's |
| 12:34.31 | dennda | i guess |
| 12:34.35 | dennda | at least it was last year |
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| 12:36.39 | kuxv | yes, that's it, thanx |
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| 12:39.47 | kuxv | when filling my username |
| 12:40.02 | kuxv | this user pops out: "The Prefix of the Primary Phone number is invalid. Please re-enter." |
| 12:40.20 | kuxv | although I didn't change anything in google's address |
| 12:47.39 | ojwb | kuxv: apparently it should start 650 not 1650 |
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| 12:52.40 | kuxv | oh, ok |
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| 14:53.30 | tish | !next |
| 14:53.31 | gsocbot | tish: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
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| 14:54.36 | codeon | hello |
| 14:54.39 | codeon | anyone here? |
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| 14:55.30 | kai | only us chickens |
| 14:55.47 | hiemanshu | kai: and no bacon ? |
| 14:56.12 | kai | bacon? on chicken? |
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| 14:56.40 | redache | chicken and bacon is nice |
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| 14:57.50 | hiemanshu | kai: bacon goes with everything :P |
| 14:57.55 | hiemanshu | esp with chicken sausages |
| 14:58.39 | codeon | how do i prepare for next gsoc |
| 14:58.45 | codeon | ? |
| 14:58.54 | codeon | i am a noob |
| 14:59.33 | codeon | help meeeee |
| 15:00.53 | ThomasWaldmann | codeon: find a nice FOSS project that interests you and start contributing :) |
| 15:01.01 | redache | You need to interact with any of the communities you want to work with and start contributing |
| 15:01.09 | redache | and hope that they get selected as a mentoring org and then apply |
| 15:01.26 | codeon | that much i know |
| 15:01.33 | codeon | but the problem is how |
| 15:01.40 | codeon | i download source code |
| 15:01.54 | codeon | where to start? |
| 15:02.04 | ThomasWaldmann | fix a bug |
| 15:02.26 | ThomasWaldmann | or just ask the main devs if they have some easy todo to work on |
| 15:02.48 | ThomasWaldmann | or just use the software, find some imperfection and fix it |
| 15:03.21 | ThomasWaldmann | in general, such stuff is most interesting for you long term if you personally use and like the software |
| 15:05.18 | codeon | i know c,c++ and Data structures but had never worked on any project.once i download the code of a FOSS where do i start |
| 15:05.25 | codeon | there are so many files in it |
| 15:05.42 | darkjames | codeon: from main() |
| 15:05.46 | darkjames | ;-P |
| 15:06.12 | codeon | which IDE should i use? |
| 15:06.39 | redache | That's up to personal preference |
| 15:06.51 | redache | and it really depends on what the project itself recommends |
| 15:07.31 | codeon | how did you people started? |
| 15:08.27 | ojwb | was young and drunk |
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| 15:09.05 | codeon | my ques are silly,i know.but you may answer it |
| 15:09.47 | ojwb | that's pretty much it |
| 15:10.06 | ojwb | i wrote some software and gave it to people who wanted it |
| 15:10.31 | redache | I started by starting a Comp Sci degree and wanting to give something back |
| 15:10.38 | ojwb | these days you're probably better off starting with an existing project |
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| 15:12.31 | lfzawacki | codeon: a nice tip is to actually chose a project that you use a lot and sincerely think is useful then join the community, report bugs and stuff like that |
| 15:13.10 | lfzawacki | codeon: that will help you get started and build a feeling of how it works |
| 15:15.19 | codeon | thanku |
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| 15:20.44 | dsathe | hey wats in the packages ? |
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| 15:24.25 | houbsi | dsathe, wait and see ;) |
| 15:31.50 | vperic | For those interested, I received my package today (Prague, Czech Republic), so I think it's fair to say they'll be all around Europle today/tomorrow. :) |
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| 16:30.35 | kuxv | so google's phone number should be 65-0253300 ? |
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| 16:33.44 | kuxv | or is it 650-253000? |
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| 16:44.26 | zfe | any indian around? |
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| 16:52.19 | hiemanshu | zfe: yeah? |
| 16:52.42 | zfe | hiemanshu: did you receive your welcome package alread |
| 16:52.55 | hiemanshu | zfe: nope, but I suspect it will be here in a day or two |
| 16:53.09 | zfe | ah ok, i'm in turkey and i didn't receive anything yet |
| 16:53.22 | zfe | but in europe it seems they already got it |
| 16:53.34 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 16:53.55 | zfe | so i was wondering about other asians |
| 16:54.13 | hiemanshu | yeah, most of us haven't got it |
| 16:54.59 | zfe | and since i changed my address in the meanwhile it would be kinda disappointing if the package will be delivered to Italy (my old address) and not to turkey |
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| 16:55.45 | hiemanshu | well if you know the landlord there, call him up |
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| 17:09.31 | cemycc | I am trying to call at the phone number for non-US students but I get a busy sound . They are in break at that office or I am calling the wrong phone number ? xD |
| 17:10.15 | tian2992 | cemycc, some countries need a "dial out number", for example +00 to start an international call |
| 17:10.38 | gantu | !next |
| 17:10.40 | gsocbot | gantu: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
| 17:10.42 | wtachi | cemycc: some others have the same problem |
| 17:11.00 | wtachi | has anyone with that problem managed to get through? |
| 17:12.03 | thiago | +00 is wrong. + already means "international access code", which in most countries is 00. |
| 17:12.07 | thiago | notable exception is the US |
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| 17:12.42 | Hexxeh | I got through just fine, took a few attempts though |
| 17:12.51 | Hexxeh | Used Skype and the inside-US number on the sticker on the card |
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| 17:17.01 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: what are you doing this year? |
| 17:17.19 | Hexxeh | VM builder for the Gentoo project |
| 17:18.42 | jrabbit | Fun. I messed with a bit of buildbot last month, it wasn't much fun on fbsd, still have to file bugs on that |
| 17:19.54 | Hexxeh | :) |
| 17:20.02 | dbs | kisses buildbot |
| 17:20.03 | Hexxeh | People in the UK, what's the cheapest way to get the funds off of the card? |
| 17:20.16 | Hexxeh | I've looked at PayPal, but they charge 3.4% + £0.20 |
| 17:20.28 | Hexxeh | ie about $18 in fees on $505 |
| 17:20.32 | jrabbit | Does citi not allow wire transfer? |
| 17:20.38 | Hexxeh | Only to US accounts |
| 17:20.42 | jrabbit | ah |
| 17:21.04 | hiemanshu | Hexxeh: xoom.com ? |
| 17:21.15 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: you could try and get a US account and then transfer the funds via a normal bank |
| 17:21.45 | Hexxeh | jrabbit: Getting a US account would require a US address, no? |
| 17:22.12 | jrabbit | I'm not sure how that works, most banks require in person registration I'd assume but maybe not. |
| 17:22.44 | Hexxeh | For a UK account you need to send proof of ID and proof of address, and my proof of address wouldn't be US-based |
| 17:23.09 | jrabbit | i don't think you need to be a US Citizen to have an account |
| 17:23.16 | hiemanshu | jrabbit: you need to |
| 17:23.23 | hiemanshu | well atleast AFAIK |
| 17:23.45 | Hexxeh | Xoom charge $26 in fees |
| 17:24.10 | jrabbit | hiemanshu: he might be able to open an account in a ban kthat has branches in both nations |
| 17:24.39 | jrabbit | well they'd be two seperate accounts but it'd be cheaper to transfer that way probably |
| 17:24.44 | hiemanshu | Hexxeh: why not just use the card as a debit card? |
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| 17:24.55 | tian2992 | there is a citibank in my country |
| 17:25.05 | hiemanshu | or use something like Western Union or someting |
| 17:25.06 | tian2992 | and the do have accounts in dollars |
| 17:25.11 | tian2992 | would that work? |
| 17:25.29 | hiemanshu | tian2992: ask them |
| 17:25.38 | Hexxeh | Someone mentioned xe.com |
| 17:25.41 | jrabbit | has never tried the wire transfer to even a US account |
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| 17:26.04 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: could try to 'launder' them via bitcoin if you're desprate >_< |
| 17:26.20 | hiemanshu | xe is just a currency site |
| 17:26.23 | hiemanshu | they dont do transfers |
| 17:26.28 | Hexxeh | Speaking of BitCoin, someone told me about that in class the other day |
| 17:26.37 | Hexxeh | hiemanshu: You can buy/sell currency using Xe.com too |
| 17:26.57 | Hexxeh | BitCoin relies on generating hashes, right? Where the nonce is less than or equal to a given value |
| 17:26.59 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: you'd be able to sell them for gbp in theory |
| 17:27.16 | jrabbit | I don't know how liquid the gbp market is though |
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| 17:27.22 | Hexxeh | What's stopping you calculating hashes in a browser in the background and uploading valid hashes via AJAX to a server you control? |
| 17:27.28 | hiemanshu | Hexxeh: not so sure about it |
| 17:27.35 | Hexxeh | ie harness CPU cycles from visitors to your site |
| 17:27.38 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: nothing |
| 17:27.45 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: you can't compete thoguh |
| 17:28.02 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: the onlything thats competitive at this point is GPU stuff |
| 17:28.18 | Hexxeh | How many hashes you think you can get from your average client in a JS implementation? |
| 17:28.24 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: not many |
| 17:28.31 | Hexxeh | If your site is large enough it could scale to a level where you're competing with GPU clients |
| 17:28.31 | jrabbit | some people have tried it |
| 17:28.55 | jrabbit | its possible |
| 17:29.01 | jrabbit | people tolerate flash |
| 17:29.02 | Hexxeh | I guess it depends heavily on the browser distribution across your visitors |
| 17:29.24 | Hexxeh | If they're all using a modern browser that uses V8/Nitro or whatever, they'll crank out hashes a plenty |
| 17:30.07 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: someone in ##proggit did that but its really slow |
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| 17:30.36 | Hexxeh | How many hashes per second did they get from a modern machine in a modern browser? |
| 17:30.53 | jrabbit | I don't recall |
| 17:31.17 | jrabbit | probably not very many since it used CPU time and not GPU parallelization |
| 17:31.43 | Hexxeh | I know that per client you won't get anywhere near as many as you would with a single GPU client |
| 17:31.56 | Hexxeh | It's the collective power of tens of thousands of visitors I think might be interesting. |
| 17:31.58 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: maybe you should go to your favorite British bank anyways they mgiht know what to do |
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| 17:32.15 | Hexxeh | Asked my bank, they won't transfer from a debit/credit card |
| 17:32.30 | Hexxeh | I think this just comes down to the fact that there are fees in these transactions you can't avoid. |
| 17:32.34 | Hexxeh | That's how cards work, right? |
| 17:32.53 | jrabbit | yeah you're going to pay some fees |
| 17:33.00 | jrabbit | Hexxeh: no I mean about the wire transfer |
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| 17:45.50 | gsocbot | lj8175: "next" is May 23rd - Students start coding |
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| 17:59.25 | Hexxeh | Oops, emptying my card via PayPal, accidentally tried to withdraw more than is on the card (missed out the decimal place), was obviously declined, do they charge a fee for this? |
| 18:00.22 | hiemanshu | Hexxeh: no I dont think so |
| 18:00.26 | Hexxeh | Phew. |
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| 18:09.36 | TyronX | Hexxeh: What fee to you pay for transfering it to paypal? |
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| 18:15.05 | Hexxeh | TyronX: I just got £292.30 from my $505 via PayPal |
| 18:15.10 | Hexxeh | Around $17 in fees |
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| 18:17.42 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 18:17.43 | gsocbot | Ivanovic: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 18:24.29 | TyronX | Hexxeh: Google tells me "292.30 British pounds = 475.51364 U.S. dollars" |
| 18:24.43 | TyronX | so that would be $30 fee, i guess? |
| 18:24.48 | Hexxeh | Apparently so |
| 18:24.56 | TyronX | thats a lot :( |
| 18:25.00 | TyronX | thanks for the info |
| 18:25.04 | Hexxeh | It uses PayPal's terrible exchange rate |
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| 18:25.48 | Ivanovic | TyronX: paypal is freaking expensive |
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| 18:26.03 | Ivanovic | they charge a high fee for receiving money *and* they have bad exchange rates |
| 18:26.26 | Ivanovic | stuff that is quite well known, but it remains that it is among the easiest to use payment providers |
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| 18:28.49 | dberkholz | the fee's fine for non-CC transactions on personal accounts |
| 18:28.53 | blacktooth | anybody tried taking moeny from citibank atm? |
| 18:29.03 | dberkholz | zero here, anyway |
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| 18:30.08 | TyronX | non-CC? |
| 18:30.15 | Hexxeh | dberkholz: Fine for personal accounts, absolutely terrible for Premier accounts though, but once you "upgrade" you can't go back |
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| 18:31.11 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: but their exchange rate really sucks when currency conversion is involved |
| 18:31.49 | Ivanovic | on my creditcard i got a fee of 1.75% when a currency exchange is required, but with this fee included it is still cheaper than using the paypal exchange rate instead of the visa rate |
| 18:32.15 | Ivanovic | (i tend to buy stuff in £ every now and than, even though my normal currency is â¬, long live the internet!) |
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| 18:57.34 | TobiasFar | hi..anybody having problems reaching citi's customer service; for non-us students? |
| 18:58.29 | redache | yes |
| 18:58.36 | redache | the number just sounds like call busy |
| 18:59.08 | TobiasFar | k..then it's not just me..thanks...will try again in a couple of days |
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| 19:37.36 | dberkholz | Hexxeh: sure you can, i just did it. you can't do it *automatically* but you can contact their support team and they'll do a one-time downgrade |
| 19:37.59 | Hexxeh | dberkholz: I asked a few months ago and they refused :( |
| 19:38.16 | dberkholz | there's even a special place on their website support area to fill in that request |
| 19:39.21 | dberkholz | this gives a rough guide â http://blog.itgossips.com/tech/how-to-downgrade-paypal-premierbusiness-to-personal/ â but i found some slight changes to their website since that was written |
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| 19:40.29 | Hexxeh | I have to receive credit card payments, so I guess I need Premier anyway. Maybe they didn't let me because of my account history of receiving large volumes of CC payments, who knows. |
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| 20:13.07 | jrabbit | paypal is so evil >_> |
| 20:13.34 | Haseeb_ | What happen? |
| 20:13.50 | jrabbit | Haseeb_: they were talking about it before |
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| 20:15.40 | kblin | show me a bank that isn't evil and |
| 20:15.47 | kblin | I'll show you it's not a bank |
| 20:17.15 | gevaerts | points to the left bank of the local river |
| 20:17.21 | Guest38764 | we should keep a list of kblin's quotes from this IRC channel. call it "kblin's words of wisdom" |
| 20:17.21 | jrabbit | heh |
| 20:17.45 | jrabbit | Brecht's quotes reformulated ** :P |
| 20:19.20 | kblin | gevaerts: that's decidedly evil, you can run on ground with your canoe |
| 20:19.31 | gevaerts | True :) |
| 20:20.05 | kblin | there goes stealth_carols |
| 20:21.00 | vegard | lo |
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| 20:22.32 | gevaerts | starts the "rename carols" timer :) |
| 20:23.03 | carols | gevaerts: yeah, i'm not surprised you have one. seems like IRC hates me. |
| 20:23.23 | gevaerts | carols: have some cookies, maybe that helps :) |
| 20:23.28 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 20:23.32 | carols | munches cookies |
| 20:23.37 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 20:25.52 | gevaerts | drinks tea |
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| 20:29.28 | kblin | jrabbit: personally I'd rather have a list of aphorisms to my name.. Lichtenberg trumps Brecht in that |
| 20:30.11 | kblin | though the english wikiquotes seem to be missing one of my favourites |
| 20:31.40 | kblin | possibly because it's too critical of religion |
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| 22:58.42 | jperichon | carols: Hello Carol! I have a question for you. Are you available or you prefer I email you? |
| 22:59.09 | carols | jperichon: im available |
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| 23:01.57 | jperichon | carols: ok, nice. It's concerning the payment card. In fact, I'm a french student but I will be in the US in september for an internship. So my question is: is it better for me to wait until this to get the money, without international exchance fees? If yes, should I follow the guide for US or non US students on this page: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentpaymentcards ? |
| 23:03.02 | carols | jperichon: you're not planning to exchange the money into local currency? if so, then sure, get the money while you're here and you'll get dollars. |
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| 23:05.45 | jperichon | carols: ok, I was planning to do that. But if I get dollars in the US, should I follow the checklist for US students or for non US students? |
| 23:06.25 | carols | jperichon: non-us students. |
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| 23:06.54 | jperichon | carols: Ok, thank you. That's all I needed to know :) |
| 23:06.58 | carols | yw |
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| 23:13.47 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
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| 23:17.24 | carols | MatthewWilkes! |
| 23:17.42 | MatthewWilkes | How's it going? |
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| 23:18.05 | carols | it's good, thanks. finally got a breather after getting all the students' welcome packages finished. how are you? |
| 23:18.31 | mlankhorst | ;) |
| 23:18.43 | mlankhorst | carols: silence before the storm more like it |
| 23:18.59 | carols | mlankhorst: always. now i have conference season to look forward to :-) |
| 23:19.41 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I am in London for some client work, so good. The coolness of being back home is balancing out the long hours |
| 23:19.52 | MatthewWilkes | Well, not long hours, but longer than I got used to in Germany |
| 23:20.10 | carols | MatthewWilkes: how's the weather? :-) |
| 23:20.26 | MatthewWilkes | Not rained yet |
| 23:20.38 | MatthewWilkes | 5 to 10ºc colder than berlin |
| 23:20.48 | MatthewWilkes | but it's home, I don't mind |
| 23:21.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i'm sure its wonderful. :-) i <3 london. |
| 23:21.06 | carols | i'm such an anglophile. |
| 23:21.36 | MatthewWilkes | swing by next time you go somewhere in europe |
| 23:21.55 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i would love to. |
| 23:22.12 | MatthewWilkes | one of my friends is a noogler from monday in the london office, you have any idea what the cafe's like there? Need to decide how soon to bug him for an invite |
| 23:22.31 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i've heard that office is nice. i would say soon :-P |
| 23:22.53 | carols | ok, heading back to my house. cheers all! |
| 23:22.54 | MatthewWilkes | I'm working at the deloitte offices at the moment, and⦠wow⦠their cafeteria is amazing |
| 23:23.01 | carols | trundles off |
| 23:23.11 | MatthewWilkes | waves |
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