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| 02:09.57 | leeg_ | I mail to an project, but no reply.... |
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| 02:11.35 | gsocbot | leeg_: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 02:13.32 | rrix | What should I do if one of my students' application lacks their Real Name? |
| 02:16.31 | DarthGandalf | Ask him? |
| 02:17.37 | rrix | Right, where should that go, though? Doesn't Google need that information? |
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| 02:58.45 | mayanks43 | when will the welcome gifts be dispatched from google? I wanted to specify a different shipping address then my profile one. Just wanted to know if I wasn't late. |
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| 03:12.40 | DanKluev | mayanks43: payment card will be shipped to that address too, I believe, so you should resolve the issue if address you specified is incorrect |
| 03:15.59 | mayanks43 | it's not incorrect but I won't be there in my holidays |
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| 03:36.30 | luizribeiro | mayanks43: AFAIK welcome packages will be shipped by 16 may |
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| 03:39.19 | mayanks43 | ok |
| 03:39.42 | mayanks43 | I just updated my shipping address. It must be okay then. |
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| 09:01.35 | CCF|DavidJones | mercurial or subversion (for a new project)? |
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| 09:04.01 | |Kev| | Git! |
| 09:04.07 | aghisla | Bazaar! |
| 09:04.07 | |Kev| | Or, given those two choices, hg |
| 09:04.59 | Uli- | sourcesafe! |
| 09:05.11 | Uli- | (does that still exist?) |
| 09:11.27 | rrix | unfortunately, yes |
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| 09:18.58 | CCF|DavidJones | that was useful (just :) ) |
| 09:19.19 | CCF|DavidJones | So if I had a freer choice, why git? (this is one of my favourite questions at the moment) |
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| 09:20.33 | rrix | Because it only mostly sucks, it doesn't completely suck. :) |
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| 09:25.03 | CCF|DavidJones | rrix: can you be more specific about the only mostly sucking? |
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| 09:27.45 | rrix | i'm too tirred to give you a sane answer for that |
| 09:28.52 | CCF|DavidJones | rrix: duly noted. |
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| 09:30.07 | kai | !polls | CCF|DavidJones |
| 09:30.08 | gsocbot | CCF|DavidJones: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 09:30.10 | kai | ;) |
| 09:30.43 | kai | CCF|DavidJones: of course given how terribly busy the channel currently is, no biggie |
| 09:30.50 | CCF|DavidJones | kai: also duly noted. :) |
| 09:31.14 | CCF|DavidJones | It wass not a random poll, |
| 09:31.37 | kai | CCF|DavidJones: I mainly wanted to use that factoid again :) |
| 09:32.47 | CCF|DavidJones | [pressed enter too early. n00b] how svn, hg, git fit into the larger community is an important factor for the choices made by the students we're mentoring. |
| 09:33.00 | kai | given the choices you named, I take you're looking at a google code project hosting |
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| 09:33.40 | CCF|DavidJones | kai: yeah, mostly out of laziness. We already use it for one of our projects: http://code.google.com/p/ccc-gistemp/ |
| 09:33.51 | CCF|DavidJones | Starting fresh, I'd probably go with github. |
| 09:34.33 | CCF|DavidJones | is the command line tool for git called "git"? |
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| 09:34.38 | |Kev| | It is. |
| 09:34.45 | |Kev| | The package is generally called 'git-core' |
| 09:34.48 | CCF|DavidJones | Think I prefer "hg" then. :) |
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| 09:36.09 | kai | http://importantshock.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/git-vs-mercurial/ is a decent comparison ;) |
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| 09:37.42 | kai | for me it boils down to if you like the staging area or not |
| 09:38.08 | kai | I like it and severely miss it everytime something forces me to use mercurial |
| 09:38.35 | kai | most mercurial users I know find git's staging area confusing |
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| 09:39.12 | CCF|DavidJones | I have a tendency to think (not having researched "staging area" very thoroughly) that something like a "staging area" means that you didn't arrange things so that branches were insanely cheap. Because we all know that all development should take place on a branch. |
| 09:39.16 | gevaerts | will have that comparison reviewed by someone he knows :) |
| 09:39.27 | CCF|DavidJones | I'm reading the comparison now |
| 09:42.36 | gevaerts | I've heard people say that you can emulate any git workflow with mercurial, but doing the reverse is tricky because the git index (whatever that is, I'm not a specialist in either) tends to get in the way |
| 09:43.49 | kai | the git index is a great thing |
| 09:43.59 | kai | imho |
| 09:44.11 | kai | that's what I miss when I work with other DCVSes |
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| 09:45.29 | CCF|DavidJones | I think "git index" is what I would call "a branch". |
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| 09:46.25 | |Kev| | CCF|DavidJones: Git has branches, so are you sure? :) |
| 09:46.43 | |Kev| | (And branching in Git is essentially free) |
| 09:46.55 | CCF|DavidJones | |Kev| no, i'm not sure, because I don't know much about git. :) |
| 09:46.56 | gevaerts | Oh, I've also heard that a mercurial branch and a git branch aren't really the same thing at all (IIRC the mercurial equivalent of a git branch is a head?), which apparently is a great cause of misunderstandings |
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| 09:47.53 | CCF|DavidJones | But it seems to me that if you want an area to do development isolated from other changes going on, and then encapsulate that development so you can deliver it all as one sugary-coated bundle of code-love, then that's what I would use a branch for. |
| 09:47.57 | |Kev| | CCF|DavidJones: Git branches are the cheapest possible representation. They're just a pointer to a commit. As commits then themselves point to their parents knowing the HEAD of a branch is all you need to know to have the commit tree. |
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| 09:48.47 | CCF|DavidJones | |Kev| sure, I kinda get all that "it's just a cat of a load deltas" stuff. Didn't we all build our own Source Code tools when we were kids? |
| 09:50.19 | peeq | Do students of linux org, get to commit to linux core? If so that's cool. |
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| 09:51.25 | CCF|DavidJones | peeq: I have no idea, but in general an org is not obliged to use any code produced. Though one would wonder why they invested all the time if they're not intending to. |
| 09:51.32 | gevaerts | peeq: you mean the linux kernel? |
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| 09:52.06 | peeq | gevaerts, yes, but I guess none of the proposals talk about core modifications. |
| 09:52.11 | gevaerts | If so, no. As far as I know, only one person commits to that |
| 09:52.33 | peeq | yes linux, but students would get to submit there patches |
| 09:52.41 | peeq | s/linux/linux |
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| 09:52.53 | CCF|DavidJones | s/x$/s |
| 09:52.54 | peeq | oops sticky keys s/linux/linus |
| 09:53.18 | |Kev| | One of the great points of a dvcs is that the students don't need to commit to origin/master. |
| 09:53.22 | gevaerts | Submitting patches for linux is easy! |
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| 09:53.32 | |Kev| | I can just pull in their changes as and when I want from their repositories. |
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| 09:53.39 | gevaerts | No special powers needed at all for that :) |
| 09:54.12 | peeq | but getting it commited is the almost impossible part |
| 09:54.20 | gevaerts | Big ones, maybe |
| 09:54.40 | peeq | quickly leaves. |
| 09:55.06 | gevaerts | has one or two patches in there, and he didn't need to do anything special for that apart from replying to reviews |
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| 10:05.43 | yeskarthik | !next |
| 10:05.44 | gsocbot | yeskarthik: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 10:08.58 | yadudoc | gevaerts, from what I understood from a tiny kernel hacking workout somewhere, submitting a patch and getting it accepted is like dead-hard (for mere mortals :) ) |
| 10:09.37 | yadudoc | gevaerts, sorry, I was posting to what you said a couple of minutes back |
| 10:10.43 | gevaerts | yadudoc: I'm pretty sure it depends on the patch |
| 10:11.23 | gevaerts | "locking is wrong here in this driver, it causes an oops, this two-line change fixes that" will go in quickly if you don't make huge mistakes |
| 10:11.32 | gevaerts | "locking is wrong in driver type X, let |
| 10:11.32 | yadudoc | gevaerts, so what kind of patches are the ones newbies could try for ? |
| 10:11.46 | gevaerts | s overhaul the locking system", well, I don't know |
| 10:13.43 | gevaerts | yadudoc: from what I heard (from Greg Kroah-Hartman's talk at fosdem last year), checkstyle patches in the staging tree are very welcome and mostly easy to do |
| 10:14.43 | gevaerts | yadudoc: see http://video.fosdem.org/2010/maintracks/kernelpatch.xvid.avi or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBrBBImJt4 for the actual talk |
| 10:14.50 | yadudoc | gevaerts, ok. I guess once you really look into it, you are bound to find something. |
| 10:14.56 | yadudoc | gevaerts, oh, thanks :) |
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| 10:18.17 | CCF|DavidJones | yadudoc: why the fascination with the Linux kernel? Just for bragging rights? |
| 10:19.36 | gevaerts | kai: I got a reply saying that the things that that git/mercurial comparison complains about on mercurial are outdated |
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| 10:20.04 | yadudoc | CCF|DavidJones, when someone gives the idea that something is really hard to do... don't we all try to see if its really that hard ? |
| 10:20.26 | CCF|DavidJones | sure. It's a fun game. I write compilers and garbage collectors, but not entirely for that reason. ;) |
| 10:22.03 | gevaerts | yadudoc: as soon as you leave the core and the commonly used drivers and venture into the bits that are only used by the author and two friends, you'll find easy to fix bugs :) |
| 10:22.08 | yadudoc | CCF|DavidJones, bragging.. yes its a component... But having done something hard to do... well that feels special doesn't it ? |
| 10:22.36 | gevaerts | In other words, if you want to get started on the linux kernel with something more than style-like patches, find uncommon hardware :) |
| 10:22.42 | yadudoc | gevaerts, ohh that was the tip I was looking for :P |
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| 10:23.31 | CCF|DavidJones | yadudoc: absolutely it does. I don't have a problem with doing things for bragging rights. |
| 10:23.32 | gevaerts | 's patches were in the usb-serial driver for winCE devices, to fix issues when more than one winCE device was attached at the same time |
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| 10:25.33 | yadudoc | CCF|DavidJones, imho, all is fine, as long as something good gets done. |
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| 10:28.02 | CCF|DavidJones | right. but no committed patch is worth owning two winCE devices. |
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| 10:29.38 | gevaerts | CCF|DavidJones: *two*? We had 30 of them attached! |
| 10:30.02 | gevaerts | But *I* didn't own them :) |
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| 10:32.47 | random123_ | Hi, How can I use gsoc bot to return statistics regarding this year's Google Summer of Code? |
| 10:33.20 | DarthGandalf | !numapps | random123_ |
| 10:33.20 | gsocbot | random123_: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 10:33.39 | random123_ | DarthGandalf: Thanks :) |
| 10:33.51 | random123_ | !numapps |
| 10:33.51 | gsocbot | random123_: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 10:38.18 | nickon | !next |
| 10:38.19 | gsocbot | nickon: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 10:38.25 | nickon | !timeline |
| 10:38.25 | gsocbot | nickon: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 10:42.10 | abhinav- | is google-summer-of-code-students-list@.. the private mailing list for accepted students ? |
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| 10:46.26 | DarthGandalf | Hum... Seems that I joined students list... but how to read previous messages? |
| 10:47.05 | DarthGandalf | And I can't go to http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list |
| 10:47.11 | abhinav- | DarthGandalf: I did not join the list, but I have started to receive emails :-o |
| 10:47.29 | DarthGandalf | Yeah, I started too, so I guessed that I'm there |
| 10:49.19 | houbsi | yeaah :D i got rid of all Libreofficemailinglists :D and now i'm on a new one… =D |
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| 10:51.32 | ankitdaf | Hey, seems like we were added to the list |
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| 10:51.36 | ankitdaf | but they forgot to tell us |
| 10:51.39 | ankitdaf | :P |
| 10:52.47 | houbsi | ankitdaf: i think receiving mails from a mailinglist is enough :D |
| 10:53.00 | Gabor_Bernat | the amount of mail you get should be a direct telling :)) |
| 10:53.09 | ankitdaf | haha..yeah..'You have mail' |
| 10:54.13 | houbsi | grate, now my iphone, macbook and server makes a noise -.- you have mail…. this gonna be a lot of fun |
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| 10:54.53 | ankitdaf | Three emails in 5-10 minutes..If we keep it up, you bet ;) |
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| 10:55.29 | DarthGandalf | 10 emails in 15 minutes here :P |
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| 11:02.53 | stas | hey guys, anyone knows where can be downloaded the tax form pdfs? |
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| 11:05.26 | nazg-gul | hi everybody |
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| 11:05.48 | ankitdaf | anyone in India gotten any communication about the id or tax forms? |
| 11:06.43 | yeskarthik | ankitdaf, No I ve not got yet |
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| 11:07.42 | akashm1990 | mail volume on the Students list is HIGH |
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| 11:08.35 | nazg-gul | is there somebody from russia with experience in enrollment proff and tax? |
| 11:08.46 | kai | akashm1990: that's what the "digest mode" is good for |
| 11:09.08 | akashm1990 | Have set a filter to archive and label the messages.. |
| 11:09.46 | kai | until google contacts you about the proof of enrollment and the other documents, I wouldn't worry about it |
| 11:10.04 | kai | when you get that email, it should be pretty clear on what they need |
| 11:10.18 | stas | kai: so we gonna get an email, right |
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| 11:15.38 | kai | wth? |
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| 11:18.18 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Modules need to be reloaded… |
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| 11:19.01 | kai | right, that's what it claimed, but it's not using the current version of said modules |
| 11:19.44 | kai | bad bot, no cookie |
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| 11:20.50 | kai | ah, there we go |
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| 11:21.51 | DarthGandalf | Does anyone at Google know Russian? :) |
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| 11:22.07 | kai | !cookie |
| 11:22.07 | gsocbot | kai: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 11:23.11 | gevaerts | DarthGandalf: probably! |
| 11:23.13 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I've pushed some changes to the Queue module so people can have the features they clamoured about on the last meeting |
| 11:23.36 | gevaerts | kai: can we have a coolkie queue? |
| 11:23.40 | gevaerts | *cookie |
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| 11:24.23 | kai | MatthewWilkes: like you can't queue twice, you can remove yourself from the queue again, and while I was at it, you can even update your notice that you added while queueing |
| 11:24.36 | MatthewWilkes | kai: there's a queue now? |
| 11:25.27 | kai | yeah, I did that manually for the "figure out why your org wasn't accepted" meeting and thought that this task is easily handled by a bot |
| 11:25.38 | kai | so you can queue up... |
| 11:25.55 | MatthewWilkes | indeedy |
| 11:25.58 | kai | !queue Worldforge, http://worldforge.org |
| 11:25.58 | gsocbot | kai: I queued you at position 1 in the queue |
| 11:26.12 | MatthewWilkes | !queue | kai\ |
| 11:26.13 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: I queued you at position 2 in the queue |
| 11:26.13 | gevaerts | !queue Cookies! |
| 11:26.14 | gsocbot | gevaerts: I queued you at position 3 in the queue |
| 11:26.16 | MatthewWilkes | aw |
| 11:26.38 | kai | you can realize that nobody's interested in your web page and that carol wants to see your ideas page, so you can change that... |
| 11:26.54 | kai | !queue Worldforge, http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code |
| 11:26.54 | gsocbot | kai: You're queued at position 1 already, I've updated notice to 'Worldforge, http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code' |
| 11:27.14 | kai | you can decide that you want to be removed from the queue.. |
| 11:27.18 | kai | !dequeue |
| 11:27.18 | gsocbot | kai: Removed you from the queue as requested |
| 11:27.28 | gevaerts | !queue |
| 11:27.28 | gsocbot | gevaerts: You're queued at position 2 already, I've updated notice to 'None' |
| 11:27.59 | kai | and as the bot's owner, I can also call the next in line |
| 11:28.03 | kai | !nextinline |
| 11:28.03 | gsocbot | kai: Next in line is MatthewWilkes with notice '| kai\' |
| 11:28.35 | kai | until the next meeting, I want to change that so any channel op can do this |
| 11:29.26 | kai | you can even get gsocbot to query you with the current queue |
| 11:29.31 | kai | !showqueue |
| 11:29.42 | gevaerts | !showqueue |
| 11:29.57 | gevaerts | !queue Cookies! |
| 11:29.57 | gsocbot | gevaerts: You're queued at position 1 already, I've updated notice to 'Cookies!' |
| 11:30.11 | gevaerts | Ah, nextinline also does a dequeue? |
| 11:30.15 | kai | yeah |
| 11:30.19 | kai | obviously :) |
| 11:30.24 | DarthGandalf | !queue Milk :) |
| 11:30.24 | gsocbot | DarthGandalf: I queued you at position 2 in the queue |
| 11:32.50 | kai | the queue still doesn't survive a plugin reload, but currently I like that design |
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| 11:46.52 | ankit_frenz | !cookie |
| 11:46.53 | gsocbot | ankit_frenz: "cookie" is omnomnom |
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| 11:49.14 | houbsi | 3% exchange fee…. this sucks :( |
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| 11:50.47 | vikash | !vikash |
| 11:50.48 | gsocbot | vikash: "vikash" is a GSoC'er |
| 11:51.58 | kai | houbsi: in 2005, the IRS kept 30% of the money |
| 11:52.33 | houbsi | 30% to exchange money into another currency? O_O |
| 11:52.45 | kai | no, income tax |
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| 11:53.00 | zfe | hi |
| 11:53.05 | kai | lo |
| 11:54.02 | houbsi | hahaha this card is VISA :D so i'm finally having a VISA =D nice |
| 11:54.19 | brik | guess it depends on how much you earn outside gsoc, at least here gsoc alone still puts you under the limit |
| 11:55.05 | gevaerts | houbsi: I know last year some people managed to find better deals, but really, 3% overhead on international multi-currency transfers isn't huge |
| 11:55.18 | gevaerts | International money stuff sucks |
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| 11:55.55 | houbsi | brik, i'm a little bit on not so bride site :( parents divorced. Dad announced that he will stop paying allowance -.- so if he does this it's a win-loss situation for me |
| 11:56.26 | brik | (I was talking about income tax) |
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| 11:56.46 | kai | brik: 2005 was pretty different, you didn't get money during the program, but all in the end |
| 11:56.52 | DarthGandalf | kai: what taxes were in later years? |
| 11:56.54 | ankit_frenz | !ankit |
| 11:56.56 | houbsi | brik this money will normally counted as "studentjob". I think... |
| 11:57.29 | DarthGandalf | houbsi: our uni gave us all a visa :) They give stipend to it |
| 11:57.30 | brik | ah yeah I guess that might trigger monthly limits |
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| 11:57.59 | kai | DarthGandalf: that largely depends on where you're living |
| 11:58.07 | houbsi | DarthGandalf: woooot O_O sounds cool :D |
| 11:58.20 | ankit_frenz | housbsi: as per the docs you are hired as a "Contract Developer" during the three months period :) |
| 11:58.36 | houbsi | whooot O_O |
| 11:58.40 | piyushmishra | !piyushmishra |
| 11:58.41 | gsocbot | piyushmishra: "piyushmishra" is Piyush Mishra is a noob! |
| 11:58.47 | piyushmishra | :P |
| 11:58.53 | houbsi | ankit_frenz: you're kidding me... |
| 11:59.07 | kai | !faq | houbsi |
| 11:59.07 | gsocbot | houbsi: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 11:59.34 | kai | ankit_frenz: technically if you're contracted, you're not hired |
| 11:59.47 | DarthGandalf | houbsi: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo#tax |
| 12:00.03 | piyushmishra | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo |
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| 12:00.25 | ankit_frenz | "You are considered a contract developer doing work for hire for Google. Your dates of employment will be 23 May - 22 August, 2011. " |
| 12:00.45 | kai | work for hire != hired |
| 12:00.48 | houbsi | contracted != hired? |
| 12:01.36 | piyushmishra | you hire an employee and you hire a cab |
| 12:01.43 | vikash | !last |
| 12:01.44 | gsocbot | vikash: [14:01:36] <piyushmishra> you hire an employee and you hire a cab |
| 12:01.44 | brik | hired for a set period, I guess |
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| 12:01.54 | vikash | !last | vikash |
| 12:01.55 | gsocbot | vikash: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns all (1 more message) |
| 12:02.31 | houbsi | so we work as Interims?! |
| 12:02.35 | piyushmishra | !last | ankit_frenz |
| 12:02.35 | gsocbot | piyushmishra: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message) |
| 12:02.44 | kai | !botabuse | vikash |
| 12:02.45 | gsocbot | vikash: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 12:02.45 | piyushmishra | !last |
| 12:02.46 | gsocbot | piyushmishra: [14:02:44] <kai> !botabuse | vikash |
| 12:02.50 | kai | er, sorry |
| 12:03.06 | kai | !botabuse | piyushmishra |
| 12:03.06 | gsocbot | piyushmishra: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 12:03.21 | houbsi | so we are interims for google? |
| 12:03.34 | piyushmishra | we are cabs :) |
| 12:03.39 | kai | houbsi: not sure how you define an interim |
| 12:03.53 | kai | you're doing independent contract work for google |
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| 12:04.11 | DarthGandalf | Independent from whom? |
| 12:04.17 | kai | you're not google employees |
| 12:04.18 | ankit_frenz | houbsi: What exactly you think an interims mean? |
| 12:04.36 | kai | DarthGandalf: me, unless you're my student, which you aren't |
| 12:04.46 | kai | heads off for a meeting |
| 12:04.48 | DarthGandalf | Huh |
| 12:05.08 | piyushmishra | DarthGandalf: I guess independent as in independent from anything |
| 12:05.12 | piyushmishra | google in this case |
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| 12:06.14 | houbsi | ankit_frenz: temprary worker to "replace" or help |
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| 12:06.39 | DarthGandalf | houbsi: we don't replace other google employes ;) |
| 12:07.15 | ankit_frenz | Neither do we help them technically :P |
| 12:07.29 | houbsi | i know :D but it's the explanaiton |
| 12:08.13 | ankit_frenz | so if thats what interims are than we are not :P |
| 12:08.15 | DarthGandalf | ankit_frenz: who knows... Maybe they want to do projects for OSS :D |
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| 12:09.46 | piyushmishra | people spam so bad in the students list :( |
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| 12:10.31 | ankit_frenz | piyushmishra: ah and I was wondereing why my email filter is stocking all those mails in the spam folder? :P |
| 12:10.50 | DarthGandalf | And don't seem to know netetiquet(?) very much :( |
| 12:11.20 | piyushmishra | ankit_frenz: :( |
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| 12:21.24 | littlehorse1880 | !logs |
| 12:21.24 | gsocbot | littlehorse1880: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:23.34 | ankit_frenz | 50 mails in less than a hour at the mailing lists :( |
| 12:23.44 | sri13 | !next |
| 12:23.45 | gsocbot | sri13: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 12:27.45 | DarthGandalf | I hope it won't be so spammy in future... |
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| 12:29.21 | ankit_frenz | Yeah hope so |
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| 12:42.22 | zfe | is there anyway to stop the spam? |
| 12:42.25 | zfe | i received like 100mails |
| 12:42.27 | zfe | in 1h |
| 12:42.50 | brik | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/subscribe |
| 12:43.08 | brik | change your settings there |
| 12:44.43 | krvoje | when does approximately google contact students for proof of enrollment and tax forms? |
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| 12:48.07 | houbsi | yeah if I'm right about this…. I'm screwed with GSoC -.- the payment will eject me nearly everywhere for taxes and I have to pay taxes and money to my mum… and have nothing left. something isn't right. |
| 12:49.08 | DarthGandalf | Are taxes bigger for you than for others? |
| 12:49.13 | brik | what taxes? |
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| 12:50.30 | care | spam morning ppl |
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| 12:51.02 | ankit_frenz | houbsi: well you can still have money left for a cookie ? :P |
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| 12:52.19 | houbsi | I hope so… but parents divorced - living only with mum - dad pays money to mum. I can only work 23 days in july/august/september and 23 days in the rest of the year. And can't earn more then a specific amount, if i earn to much, I have to do my own taxes and pay nearly 40-50% |
| 12:52.45 | ankit_frenz | 40-50% |
| 12:52.46 | ankit_frenz | >? |
| 12:52.49 | houbsi | and have to pay my mum some money, because I earn to much she doesn't get money from the government for me and my dad. |
| 12:52.55 | ankit_frenz | where do you live? |
| 12:53.14 | houbsi | Belgium |
| 12:53.26 | |Kev| | houbsi: If you're not eligible to work full-time, and you've been accepted as a student to GSoC, you should tell Carol immediately. |
| 12:53.39 | ankit_frenz | Ahh..no idea..than but must of the countries donot have taxes higher than 30% |
| 12:53.59 | houbsi | ankit_frenz: i could be wrong…. like I said I never got to much money xD |
| 12:54.12 | houbsi | |Kev|: carol to do what? :/ |
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| 12:54.33 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 12:54.33 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 12:54.52 | |Kev| | See the "Are you eligible to work" step. |
| 12:55.02 | ankit_frenz | houbsi: As per google terms (as far as I remeber) you must be eligible to work full time in your country of residence |
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| 12:57.10 | houbsi | |Kev|: so if this is right… I can work, but i have to many rules from my government, so i can't participate?? but i'm not the only student….. crap |
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| 12:57.30 | houbsi | ehm carol, where can I talk to her? is tehre anywhere a mail adress? |
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| 12:57.43 | gevaerts | houbsi: is that 23 days in july, august and september *each*, or *total*? |
| 12:57.55 | houbsi | gevaerts: total! |
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| 12:58.04 | houbsi | next year this will be changed |
| 12:58.10 | |Kev| | Carol is carols@google.com |
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| 12:58.44 | houbsi | 50 days / year. no its 2x (23days/period) period1:july-septembre - period2: Novembre-June |
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| 13:04.49 | zfe | folks |
| 13:04.53 | zfe | did you get already |
| 13:04.59 | zfe | prrof of enrollment request? |
| 13:05.09 | houbsi | NO |
| 13:05.13 | gevaerts | doesn't think this is a simple "eligible to work full time" thing. It's more of "Work more than this and you're not exempt from all sorts of things" |
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| 13:05.34 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Ah, ok then. |
| 13:05.47 | |Kev| | If it's just "Work full time and you have to pay tax" that's obviously no problem. |
| 13:05.52 | zfe | i wonder how google gets around "patriot act" |
| 13:05.56 | houbsi | i think to. |
| 13:06.00 | zfe | i always have problems when i have to get paid from the USA |
| 13:06.03 | |Kev| | I thought houbsi was saying they're not eligible to work full time. |
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| 13:06.46 | houbsi | but If I'm right, in the end, i realy hope to have at least money to buy a cookie. (have to pay my mum, for what she doesn't get) |
| 13:07.21 | houbsi | it's really shit, you work and you get punched into your face by the government (even for the moment I doesn't have one) |
| 13:07.33 | |Kev| | houbsi: Right, if this is 'just' a tax situation, my comment about letting Carol know doesn't apply. |
| 13:07.51 | houbsi | |Kev|: already to late…. |
| 13:08.05 | houbsi | I wrote a mail to explain and asking some more informations |
| 13:08.06 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I don't know the details, but if you work more than a certain number of hours or earn more than a certain amount of money, you stop being counted as dependent on your parents fiscally which may have all sorts of effects |
| 13:08.30 | houbsi | gevaerts: EXACTLY :D |
| 13:08.40 | |Kev| | Gotcha, understood (now). |
| 13:08.46 | houbsi | that was that what I tried to find in my head =D |
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| 13:09.32 | houbsi | graaaah, because i'm subscribed with my normal mail adress, i can't "edit" my subscrtions to the mailing list to only receive a digested version |
| 13:10.02 | ThFabba | Hehe, yes. Make €N and get €1800 from the gov, make €N+1 and get €0 from the gov. Those things suck. |
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| 13:11.38 | houbsi | ThFabba: yeah, and if your parents depends on this money, you have to pay the "difference" to them. |
| 13:12.00 | dsathe | has anyone received an official mail from the Gsoc team asking for documents , or any other instructions ? |
| 13:12.35 | dsathe | the mailing list was full of it |
| 13:12.38 | gevaerts | houbsi: I seriously doubt the 40-50% bit though |
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| 13:13.07 | krvoje | i haven't recieved anything yet |
| 13:13.14 | houbsi | gevaerts: yeah me to. I hope i don't reach the € level and can work something out with google for this workday limit. |
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| 13:13.37 | dsathe | cool cool |
| 13:13.40 | dsathe | same here |
| 13:13.46 | ThFabba | gevaerts: my €1800 example is a real number. That's around 50% of GSoC |
| 13:13.52 | dsathe | then chill we'll get it eventually |
| 13:14.01 | Prasath | Hi i accidently clicked unsubscribe for the private students lists how can i subscribe again? |
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| 13:14.21 | gevaerts | ThFabba: Those things are there, yes |
| 13:14.24 | dsathe | gmail's filters are brilliant just use them |
| 13:14.34 | dsathe | dont unsubscribe or digest it |
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| 13:14.42 | houbsi | ThFabba: from where are you? |
| 13:14.45 | dsathe | something imp might come upp on it |
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| 13:15.03 | ThFabba | houbsi: Germany |
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| 13:15.23 | dsathe | houbsi: u ? |
| 13:15.30 | houbsi | Belgium (german speaking part) |
| 13:15.36 | dsathe | hmm |
| 13:16.30 | houbsi | dsathe: what? |
| 13:16.36 | dsathe | nthin |
| 13:16.46 | dsathe | was jus askin were u from ;) |
| 13:16.56 | gevaerts | gives dsathe a keyboard that has all letters on it |
| 13:17.01 | dsathe | got the ans so dint continue |
| 13:17.09 | Prasath | Hi i accidently clicked unsubscribe for the private students lists how can i subscribe again? |
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| 13:21.39 | ankit_frenz | To all : Almost no one has recived the request to submit proofs yet..please dont spam the list :( |
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| 13:23.10 | houbsi | Appearently the payment from google is a "Comensation" and not salary |
| 13:23.36 | dsathe | good point |
| 13:23.41 | lolfrenz | you're not planning on reporting it are you? |
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| 13:24.12 | gevaerts | The safe way is to see a tax accountant, but that does cost money of course... |
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| 13:25.23 | dsathe | you can file a tax return with 0 tax declaring it , depending on country tax laws in some it may not be considered as a source of permanent income, hence no tax |
| 13:25.56 | downeym | Better for each to do his or her own research - tax laws vary greatly in every country. |
| 13:26.17 | dsathe | cunt agree more |
| 13:26.34 | lolfrenz | mind your language heh |
| 13:27.02 | dsathe | Omg :/ |
| 13:27.07 | sfb | hahah |
| 13:27.17 | dsathe | hahaha my bad |
| 13:27.18 | ankit_frenz | rofl |
| 13:27.19 | ankit_frenz | :D |
| 13:27.41 | lolfrenz | you were missing a comma anyway |
| 13:27.47 | lolfrenz | it's: cunt, agree more! |
| 13:27.55 | ankit_frenz | :P |
| 13:27.58 | dsathe | lol |
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| 13:29.10 | dsathe | this is gettin like bash.org |
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| 13:29.43 | Prasath | Hi i accidently clicked unsubscribe for the private students lists how can i subscribe again? |
| 13:30.23 | ankit_frenz | Prasath: request carol |
| 13:30.53 | Prasath | ankit_frenz: whats her email id? |
| 13:31.16 | ankit_frenz | carols@google.com |
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| 13:32.03 | Prasath | ankit_frenz: Thanks |
| 13:32.41 | aghisla | I see lots of mails coming into carol's inbox. |
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| 13:32.55 | ankit_frenz | :) |
| 13:33.32 | lolfrenz | sure takes a lot of patience |
| 13:33.50 | lolfrenz | I'd probably lose it very quickly |
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| 13:36.41 | yuvipanda | !faq |
| 13:36.41 | gsocbot | yuvipanda: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 13:41.45 | houbsi | is there another belgium student here?! |
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| 13:47.05 | peeq | ghosh! Carols was so true when she told we would get spammed after entering students list. |
| 13:48.11 | kai | it's the same every year |
| 13:48.12 | akashm1990 | btw, did anyone get a welcome mail when they were added? I just started getting the mails, didnt get any notification that I was added |
| 13:48.24 | kai | that's normal iirc |
| 13:48.28 | Ivanovic | is glad that the other list(s) have finally quieted down... |
| 13:48.33 | alinrus | it's better than last year, which was better than two years ago, which was better than 3 years ago .. |
| 13:49.05 | dsathe | kai : when will we get the mails ? |
| 13:49.13 | dsathe | approx |
| 13:49.28 | kai | !when | dsathe |
| 13:49.28 | gsocbot | dsathe: "when" is later |
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| 13:49.41 | kai | you'll know when you're totally flooded in them |
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| 13:49.50 | dsathe | :D k |
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| 13:51.07 | peeq | akashm1990, No I too didn't, it doesnt' matter I guess. |
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| 14:02.40 | care | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.40 | care | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.40 | care | /_/ /___/ / /_/ / /___ |
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| 14:04.06 | care | so much excitement, but no need to email every question, ppl please chill out |
| 14:04.22 | blumus | hello |
| 14:04.31 | care | hi |
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| 14:05.09 | |Kev| | care: You say that after spamming a six-line banner, and are, among others, addressing a group of people who neither see nor could possibly generate the spam. |
| 14:05.10 | kai | care: please don't do that again |
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| 14:05.17 | care | k |
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| 14:08.02 | threesn | hello? |
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| 14:08.39 | threesn | i got a question regarding the google summer of code students mailing list |
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| 14:31.45 | houbsi | did we sign something with the inscription?! are we legaly bound to GSoC?! |
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| 14:32.50 | alinrus | did you? |
| 14:33.02 | houbsi | i don't remember... |
| 14:33.16 | houbsi | "signing" = "clicking a button" |
| 14:33.24 | Ivanovic | when submitting your application you have most likely agreed to some terms |
| 14:33.37 | alinrus | signing != clicking a button |
| 14:33.54 | houbsi | if it is a button under some terms, it's signing. |
| 14:34.07 | topfs2 | There was a checkbox IIRC |
| 14:34.08 | alinrus | I'm pretty sure it's agreeing |
| 14:34.23 | houbsi | so we agree, but not "signed" |
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| 14:35.39 | gsocbot | lj8175: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 14:36.07 | gsocbot | pong |
| 14:36.39 | cmn | !ping | lj8175 |
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| 14:36.42 | cmn | ah |
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| 14:36.53 | houbsi | ahhhhh mailserver is down ….. =D i think GSoC just crashed my mailserver |
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| 15:16.26 | Mussious | Hello. Maybe it's not proper channel to ask, but is googe going to organise GCI this year? |
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| 15:17.05 | hiemanshu | piyushmishra: it doesn't record what it says |
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| 15:18.00 | gevaerts | Mussious: this is the right channel, but nobody knows yet, at least outside of google |
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| 16:15.57 | kinga | i have a question...monday after the proposals were accepted, there were 1116 total students accepted |
| 16:16.12 | kinga | 2 days later, 1117 |
| 16:16.17 | kinga | now it's 1119 |
| 16:16.20 | kinga | what is going on? |
| 16:16.40 | kinga | can i still have some hope xD ? |
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| 16:18.26 | serras | hello |
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| 16:21.30 | akashm1990 | carols, Once everyone is on the google group, I was wondering if you could send out a mail asking people to keep discussions in English (If appropriate) |
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| 16:21.40 | carols | akashm1990: yes, i plan to. |
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| 16:22.00 | akashm1990 | ok,thanks |
| 16:22.24 | piyushmishra | carols: there is a lot of spam on the list. I asked a question and there was a huge list of people with no relevant answers :( |
| 16:22.26 | roccivic | ... and finally quit spamming with meetups ... |
| 16:22.35 | carols | piyushmishra: yep, it happens every year. |
| 16:22.46 | piyushmishra | sad :( |
| 16:22.53 | carols | i agree. |
| 16:22.59 | akashm1990 | I think the group just got its 1st relevant question |
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| 16:23.21 | piyushmishra | carols: will this work as a proof of enrollment? http://piyushmishra.com/i-card.jpg |
| 16:23.41 | carols | piyushmishra: please mail me if you need help. besides, i haven't even sent out the email requesting proof of enrollment yet. |
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| 16:23.43 | Ivanovic | piyushmishra: it is missing the date |
| 16:23.58 | lolfrenz | those glasses don't work for you |
| 16:24.22 | lolfrenz | Valid Till: 2011 |
| 16:24.31 | lolfrenz | but who writes Till on a formal paper |
| 16:24.41 | Ivanovic | lolfrenz: yeah, it does not explicitly tell that the student was enrolled on april 25th |
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| 16:24.59 | Ivanovic | (meaning: "till 2011" is also till eg "end of febuary" |
| 16:25.07 | akashm1990 | carols, By when will you be sending out the requirements? I'll need to put in the request with my college for the letter in the next 7-8 days to get it before vacations end. |
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| 16:25.18 | lolfrenz | akashm1990, privacy fail btw |
| 16:25.20 | akashm1990 | *begin |
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| 16:25.25 | piyushmishra | carols: my problem is that I need to get any document before 2nd of may coz then our theory papers will end and then the administration probably will cause a huge fuss for documents |
| 16:25.26 | carols | akashm1990: when everyone is subscribed to the students list. |
| 16:25.29 | Ivanovic | in general those dates on the cards are not accepted over here as proof of enrollment (since just general years are often printed, thats it) |
| 16:25.34 | akashm1990 | lolfrenz, why? |
| 16:25.45 | peeq | piyushmishra, why are so kneen on giving out your address on a publicly logged channel? |
| 16:25.53 | Ivanovic | piyushmishra: go to your university and ask for a "proof of enrollment" |
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| 16:25.55 | lolfrenz | akashm1990, because you've shown a pic of your ID to 373 people |
| 16:26.15 | akashm1990 | lolfrenz, thats not me,its piyushmishra |
| 16:26.21 | lolfrenz | oh, ok |
| 16:26.42 | jperichon | 374, my mom was watching the screen when I cliked on the link :D |
| 16:26.43 | piyushmishra | its ok |
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| 16:26.56 | piyushmishra | anyone who wants to findout about me can do it very easily |
| 16:27.01 | piyushmishra | so no point hiding |
| 16:28.21 | piyushmishra | carols: so I need to know exactly what is acceptable |
| 16:28.44 | lolfrenz | /query carols |
| 16:29.03 | piyushmishra | I'll mail her |
| 16:29.08 | carols | piyushmishra: as i said before, please mail me. |
| 16:29.15 | akashm1990 | piyushmishra, ask your college for a bonafide letter, dated 25th April. Probably I'll do |
| 16:29.20 | piyushmishra | yes, I will |
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| 16:29.41 | akashm1990 | *It'll |
| 16:30.10 | kinga | Is some in position to tell me why the number of accepted students had risen by 3 since the list was announced this monday? |
| 16:30.23 | kinga | someone* |
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| 16:32.56 | carols | kinga: because we had students drop out and accepted some in their place. |
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| 16:35.44 | dberkholz | so the dropouts didn't subtract from the total, i guess |
| 16:36.35 | DarthGandalf | carols: hi, is there a way to remove google account? I seem to have 2 of them by accident... |
| 16:36.51 | carols | DarthGandalf: remove a google account? i dont know what you mean. |
| 16:38.28 | DarthGandalf | So that the name is able to be registered again |
| 16:39.43 | kinga | carols, thanks for clearing that up |
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| 16:54.28 | DarthGandalf | carols: I can't access google group of student list, and tried to add email to google account, as was stated at one of emails in studentlist. It's added now to my google account, but I still don't have access to google group... |
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| 16:55.00 | zfe | everytime you send an unnecessary mail to gsoc ML |
| 16:55.04 | zfe | god kills a cat |
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| 16:56.07 | gevaerts | zfe: there are enough people around who don't like cats that that sort of statement is likely to make things worse |
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| 16:56.42 | zfe | right :( |
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| 17:00.00 | jrabbit | lolcats? |
| 17:00.17 | ankit_frenz | :P |
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| 17:01.05 | ankit_frenz | zfe: am having peace finally after converting to email digest..do the same :) |
| 17:02.27 | zfe | i have problems |
| 17:02.33 | zfe | i can't access settings |
| 17:02.36 | zfe | for some weird reason |
| 17:03.10 | ankit_frenz | zfe: Than I guess your inbox will die a horrible death :P |
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| 17:03.36 | zfe | what i can't understand is this path |
| 17:03.39 | zfe | 1st mail: meetup |
| 17:03.46 | zfe | answer: hey this is not the right ml |
| 17:03.57 | zfe | 2nd answer: YES I WILL COME |
| 17:04.00 | ankit_frenz | lol |
| 17:04.12 | ankit_frenz | why the hell are you reading those emails? |
| 17:04.14 | ankit_frenz | :P |
| 17:04.20 | zfe | to study human habits |
| 17:04.51 | |Kev| | These are people who want to become programmers. |
| 17:04.57 | |Kev| | Hardly a good study for human habits :) |
| 17:04.58 | ankit_frenz | lol..pshycologist? (hope i spelled it right) |
| 17:04.59 | ankit_frenz | :P |
| 17:05.15 | zfe | |Kev|: i'm sure there are a lot of not-CS students |
| 17:05.16 | gevaerts | You didn't |
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| 17:05.24 | ankit_frenz | lol |
| 17:05.30 | zfe | i'm from law dept |
| 17:05.33 | zfe | for example |
| 17:05.34 | mlankhorst | was studying physics |
| 17:05.37 | mlankhorst | but that's cheating ;p |
| 17:06.02 | ankit_frenz | damn I need a pidgin spell checker plugin..lol |
| 17:06.23 | |Kev| | zfe: I didn't say CS. I said programmers. People who write code. Like, for example, people in the Google Summer of Code. |
| 17:06.26 | |Kev| | My point stands :p |
| 17:06.40 | zfe | i don't want to be a programmer |
| 17:06.41 | zfe | but i'm in the program |
| 17:06.42 | zfe | haha |
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| 17:07.08 | jackinthebox | Hello everyone |
| 17:07.18 | ankit_frenz | jackinthebox: Hi :) |
| 17:07.49 | |Kev| | zfe: If you spend the summer programming, you're a programmer. If you don't want to be spending the summer doing that, you shouldn't be taking up a slot from someone who would. |
| 17:07.53 | jackinthebox | There are an awful lot of people in here, I want to learn a couple of programming languages. |
| 17:08.44 | zfe | NO |
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| 17:08.57 | jackinthebox | I have a couple of questions. |
| 17:09.01 | ankit_frenz | jackinthebox: Am pretty sure all people here would be doing there own gsoc projects :P |
| 17:09.21 | ankit_frenz | anyways shoot in :) Hope somone can answer them :) |
| 17:09.51 | jackinthebox | I dont understand which programming lanuage I should be learning, c or lisp? |
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| 17:10.04 | ankit_frenz | C |
| 17:10.15 | ankit_frenz | my opinion :P |
| 17:10.27 | |Kev| | jackinthebox: If you're a GSoC student, speak to your mentor. |
| 17:10.33 | |Kev| | and/or community. |
| 17:10.34 | jackinthebox | Could you explain why you choose C? |
| 17:10.34 | ankit_frenz | :) |
| 17:10.41 | vegard | jackinthebox: idealist or realist? |
| 17:10.59 | |Kev| | jackinthebox: Anyway, those are both languages it's good to have learnt. |
| 17:11.11 | mlankhorst | idealistic is learning lisp ;) |
| 17:11.11 | jackinthebox | I am not a GSoC student, just curious as I do want to make programming my career. |
| 17:11.14 | jackinthebox | I am a realist |
| 17:11.52 | zfe | cause C makes you less human |
| 17:11.58 | zfe | line after line of code |
| 17:12.07 | zfe | the beast grows inside you |
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| 17:12.40 | ankit_frenz | zfe: wooo :) nice reasoning :P |
| 17:13.13 | |Kev| | jackinthebox: If you want to make programming your career, you'll be wanting to learn far more than just the one language anyway. I'm not convinced that either C or lisp is a great first choice, but just pick a language and get coding :) |
| 17:13.27 | jackinthebox | Any resources for C programming, especially for a beginner? |
| 17:13.38 | zfe | K&R |
| 17:13.39 | zfe | i think |
| 17:13.39 | SukhE | jackinthebox: K & R. |
| 17:13.55 | khrm | jackinthebox: KN king c programming a modern approach and then you can keep kr as reference |
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| 17:14.05 | khrm | KR is not for beginner |
| 17:14.30 | zfe | khrm: it starts from hello word = it is for beginners |
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| 17:14.52 | ankit_frenz | I read some stupid xerox of god knows which book, when I first learnt C :P |
| 17:15.04 | jackinthebox | :) |
| 17:15.33 | ankit_frenz | Now excuse me have sems tomorrow.. |
| 17:15.34 | ankit_frenz | lol |
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| 17:16.48 | jackinthebox | thank you khrm |
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| 17:18.32 | khrm | zfe It is for beginner in C not programming. |
| 17:18.33 | jackinthebox | I have one more question before I leave, No matter which BSD or UNIX like Distro I choose, Does it matter if I pick up any Unix/Linux textbook and apply that to any Distro? |
| 17:19.17 | khrm | Also k&R skip many of the things.Fine things. |
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| 17:23.35 | jackinthebox | I'm out of here, thanks for ref. |
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| 17:23.48 | jackinthebox | Bye bye. :) |
| 17:24.07 | EClaesson | Hi, if i've understand correctly all payments are done as stipends. Are these really stipends or are they just called so? |
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| 17:25.44 | downeym | EClaesson: Have you read http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#administrivia ? |
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| 17:28.59 | EClaesson | downeym: Yes. And as i'm understanding it is a stipend. The reason i'm asking is that here in Sweden stipends are fully tax-free from both the sender and the receiver and i wanted to know how that affects me |
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| 17:30.35 | downeym | EClaesson: It's possible, but you should probably try to check with someone who's an expert in Sweden's tax laws first. :) |
| 17:31.03 | EClaesson | downeym: Probably should. Stipends doens't seem to be taxfree in the US, right? |
| 17:32.08 | |Kev| | EClaesson: It's called a stipend, but I believe it is payment for contract work. |
| 17:32.09 | downeym | EClaesson: I heard recently that the US government tried to count the number of tax laws here, and were unable to count them as there were too many. :) |
| 17:32.14 | |Kev| | Check with someone who knows more. |
| 17:32.46 | EClaesson | I'll write a mail to google, they should know :) Thanks |
| 17:33.17 | downeym | EClaesson: 13,458 pages by some counts. |
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| 17:33.51 | |Kev| | EClaesson: I expect Google won't advise you on tax laws. |
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| 17:41.31 | Neo-- | EClaesson, consistant answer from google is that they cannot give you any tax advice as it would be unethical and illegal |
| 17:41.48 | EClaesson | Ok, thanks Neo-- |
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| 17:42.11 | Neo-- | It is both illegal and unethical for us to advise you on tax matters. I'd recommend you speak to a tax advisor. |
| 17:42.11 | Neo-- | Cheers, |
| 17:42.11 | Neo-- | Carol |
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| 17:43.01 | Neo-- | np |
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| 17:49.11 | dfighter | >>implying that having so complicated tax laws that you need an advisor is ethical |
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| 17:49.37 | MostAwesomeDude | >implying that ethics have anything to do with tax law |
| 17:49.48 | akashm1990 | dfighter: Creates more employment |
| 17:50.00 | MostAwesomeDude | Also, >implying implications |
| 17:50.53 | dfighter | akashm1990 yea, I'd rather have the industries create jobs |
| 17:50.57 | dfighter | not bureaucracy |
| 17:51.25 | dfighter | wonders when advisors to tax advisors will show up |
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| 17:52.56 | bitnerd | dfighter: that is called a lawyer |
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| 18:23.00 | zfe_ | good morning tropico |
| 18:23.31 | gevaerts | khrm: What does K&R skip? |
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| 18:23.59 | zfe_ | nothing, it is actually the reference manual |
| 18:24.00 | zfe_ | lol |
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| 18:26.58 | thiago_home | K&R? |
| 18:27.16 | gigabytes | I didn't get accepted, oooh nooz :P |
| 18:27.20 | gigabytes | bye :) |
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| 18:27.43 | gevaerts | thiago_home: I assume people were talking about K&R II specifically :) |
| 18:28.10 | gevaerts | If they meant the first edition, then yes, avoid it for modern usage... |
| 18:28.32 | thiago_home | does it teach about function prototypes? |
| 18:28.40 | |Kev| | I've lost my K&R and I've no idea how. |
| 18:28.46 | gevaerts | it does |
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| 18:29.26 | gevaerts | It misses out on the C99 new bits, but there aren't *that* many of those |
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| 18:30.30 | thiago_home | // comments, variable initialisations within code are probably the most useful ones |
| 18:30.40 | thiago_home | no one knows how to use restrict (except for glibc developers) |
| 18:31.08 | thiago_home | variable-length vectors are easily discoverable |
| 18:31.27 | gevaerts | Named struct initialisers |
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| 18:32.02 | thiago_home | nice feature but not available in C++ |
| 18:32.14 | gevaerts | Yes, but who cares about C++? :) |
| 18:32.29 | thiago_home | more people than people who care about C |
| 18:32.40 | ordex | thiago_home: not sure :) |
| 18:32.56 | gevaerts | Maybe, but if you don't care about C, why do you care about what's new in C99? :) |
| 18:32.57 | thiago_home | if you count the world outside Unix |
| 18:33.10 | thiago_home | cares about C *and* C++ |
| 18:33.27 | thiago_home | but since I do most of my work in C++, named initialisers aren't useful for me |
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| 18:34.25 | gevaerts | Seriously though, C and C++ are different languages. Sure, try to restrict headers to a subset of both for libraries, but if you write actual C, why does it matter that the syntax you're using isn't C++ compatible? |
| 18:34.43 | gevaerts | I mean, with that reasoning you should write C++ without classes because those don't exist in C |
| 18:34.44 | thiago_home | I meant for me as a developer |
| 18:35.00 | thiago_home | since named initialisers aren't available for me in C++, I'm not likely to use them in C either |
| 18:35.09 | gevaerts | They're useful! |
| 18:35.14 | thiago_home | I know |
| 18:35.18 | thiago_home | but for me, C is a subset of C++ |
| 18:35.30 | thiago_home | what exists in C and not in C++, simply doesn't exist for me |
| 18:35.38 | gevaerts | waits for thiago_home to trip over the subtleties :) |
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| 18:35.51 | gevaerts | I can't remember what those were right now though |
| 18:35.59 | thiago_home | cast from void*, for example |
| 18:36.32 | gevaerts | right |
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| 18:38.45 | gevaerts | has done little enough C++ to still treat it as "C with classes and STL" although he does know that that's really a very narrow view |
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| 19:01.50 | DarthGandalf | carols: thanks, works now |
| 19:02.25 | carols | DarthGandalf: yw |
| 19:07.38 | kakazza | * gevaerts waits for thiago_home to trip over the subtleties :) <== sizeof |
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| 19:07.52 | kakazza | C: sizeof ('x') == 4 |
| 19:07.59 | kakazza | C++: sizeof ('x') == 1 |
| 19:08.18 | kakazza | And that can break code very badly if you except the same result. |
| 19:08.28 | zfe_ | carols: is trolled accepted |
| 19:08.30 | zfe_ | on this channel? |
| 19:08.32 | zfe_ | *trolling |
| 19:08.38 | zfe_ | i mean, on a decent extent |
| 19:08.40 | carols | zfe_: no. |
| 19:08.48 | zfe_ | so we should behave |
| 19:08.49 | zfe_ | ok |
| 19:08.50 | zfe_ | luv you |
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| 19:09.02 | carols | zfe_: ill kick you if needed, so be careful. |
| 19:09.09 | gevaerts | zfe_: the only troll-like things that are accepted are troll-eys with tea and cookies |
| 19:09.11 | thiago_home | kakazza: interesting, I had never realised this one |
| 19:09.12 | scorche | o_O |
| 19:09.21 | zfe_ | carols: ok |
| 19:09.42 | sfb | kakazza: That's funny. I never realized that the type for a character literal was different between the two. |
| 19:09.56 | sfb | kakazza: So it must be 'int' in C and not 'char' |
| 19:10.04 | kakazza | It is. |
| 19:10.07 | zfe_ | no need to resort to harsh manners |
| 19:10.09 | gevaerts | kakazza: I'd say that if you depend on sizeof returning a specific value, you won't get to the C vs C++ subtleties without having tripped over lots of other stuff first :) |
| 19:10.11 | zfe_ | we are gentlemen after all |
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| 19:10.18 | DarthGandalf | int isn't guaranteed to be 4 bytes |
| 19:10.27 | thiago_home | no, it isn't |
| 19:10.34 | thiago_home | the point is that 'x' is int in C |
| 19:11.32 | carols | zfe_: i am not a gentleman, actually. |
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| 19:14.43 | zfe_ | ok, understood |
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| 19:19.39 | sfb | carols: lol |
| 19:19.58 | khrm | gevaerts I was away. KR miss out on many things. Fine things. Like formatted strings. How scanf works?I am not able to find it in my k&r ed. As for C++ subsets. than that statement I used when i learned c++ in turbo c++. C++ and c have both diverge and converge in some ways since then. Anyway as I said I use KR as ref because it is concise not because it covers nearly everything that I had to use. I always carry it with myself in my bag.I doubt I will be able to c |
| 19:21.11 | carols | sfb: :-D |
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| 19:22.48 | gevaerts | khrm: I can't find my copy of K&R right now, but I'm pretty sure it covers scanf |
| 19:24.27 | gevaerts | And no, K&R doesn't cover C++ very well... |
| 19:24.39 | gevaerts | doesn't really think it's fair to blame it for that though |
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| 19:27.20 | khrm | Yes it covers it on 157 but not many of the fine things as i am saying. As for c++ kn king too doesn't covers. It is more of a textbook on c. |
| 19:28.24 | khrm | Anyway i believe the person who asks the question have gone.. |
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| 19:28.40 | gevaerts | We probably scared everyone away :) |
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| 19:29.14 | gevaerts | tends to look things up in the C99 ANSI/ISO spec these days anyway, so he doesn't use K&R as much as he used to |
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| 19:29.50 | zfe_ | books are oldmedia |
| 19:29.52 | zfe_ | and overrated anyway |
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| 19:31.22 | khrm | zfe_ agree |
| 19:32.16 | khrm | But i don't have net always. No wifi also. |
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| 19:34.13 | pratikone | thinks what is the point of idling on a channel if you aren't participating in discussions ?looking at number of idles in #gsoc . |
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| 19:35.10 | gevaerts | pratikone: that's easy. You know what the channel is like when you *do* have something to say so you don't breach unwritten rules, and you get to learn things without asking |
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| 19:38.25 | pratikone | gevaerts : but dead silence is bad too. GSoCers should be interacting with each other, knowing projects goals, countries etc. Isn't that one of the goals of GSoC. (don't want be potrayed as whiner over small issues but am just wondering) |
| 19:39.02 | gevaerts | they should be interacting with their organisations. |
| 19:39.12 | khrm | pratikone Most of the people out here are lurker. Even me. But when they delurks then they might go on delurking for days... |
| 19:39.55 | gevaerts | I'm not sure if it's *that* important that they interact with eachother specifically as gsoc people. The end goal is that they are free software contributors, not gsoc alumni as much :) |
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| 19:40.28 | LetterRip | !next |
| 19:40.29 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 19:41.23 | pratikone | not every good thing has to be specifically documented , some things come part of the whole package. but yeah, you are right, it is not *that* important. |
| 19:41.27 | brik | this channel is good for getting help or helping people with general questions, but when it comes to what you should be getting out of gsoc, I'd say the the org's channels and mailing lists are more important |
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| 19:42.27 | dfighter | pratikone if you feel lonely, I've read somewhere that now you can even get a "cloud girlfriend" ;P |
| 19:42.38 | pratikone | brik: indeed, when I had first visited this channel for gsoc related queries, it was extremely helpful , so it is now too. |
| 19:42.54 | zfe_ | see you |
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| 19:43.13 | LetterRip | dfighter: heheh |
| 19:43.20 | LetterRip | is she named eliza? |
| 19:43.30 | dfighter | I have no clue |
| 19:43.37 | pratikone | dfighter : yeah read it a day before or too. Still remember the headline , cloud girlfriend not a virtual one :P |
| 19:44.28 | pratikone | dfighter: believe me, no lonely issues this side. Already I come from one of the most populated parts of the world. Plenty of people to talk with |
| 19:44.51 | dfighter | ok then :) |
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| 19:46.11 | pratikone | dfighter: btw, if this is not considered spamming or offensive , read this on someone's twitter account. "Warm day for the girl, giant magnet for mankind" |
| 19:46.49 | dfighter | heh |
| 19:46.57 | dfighter | I don't really use twitter |
| 19:47.07 | dfighter | not really interested in when people go to toilet, or when they puke |
| 19:47.41 | dfighter | the whole concept of microblogging just screams way too much attentionwhorism for me |
| 19:47.43 | pratikone | dfighter : then you are probably following wrong set of people or celebs (celebs do so) |
| 19:48.01 | dfighter | I don't follow anyone ^^^ |
| 19:48.13 | dfighter | I'm not a PI, nor a stalker |
| 19:48.16 | dfighter | ;) |
| 19:49.11 | pratikone | or a social media journalist |
| 19:49.43 | pratikone | dfighter : student ? |
| 19:51.10 | khrm | !dfighter |
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| 19:51.34 | khrm | !logs |
| 19:51.34 | gsocbot | khrm: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:51.46 | dfighter | pratikone social media journalist? o.O wth |
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| 19:52.05 | dfighter | pratikone no I am not a student |
| 19:52.09 | dfighter | khrm hmm? |
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| 19:53.02 | pratikone | dfighter : even not mentor ? |
| 19:53.28 | dfighter | pratikone does self-mentoring count? |
| 19:54.04 | pratikone | it does else where. the query is gsoc's model-specific |
| 19:54.18 | dfighter | then nope |
| 19:54.32 | dfighter | I won't be participating this year as either a student or a mentor |
| 19:55.08 | khrm | Are you a student? |
| 19:55.42 | dfighter | not a gsoc one |
| 19:56.09 | khrm | I am not talking about gsoc. But are you a univ student? |
| 19:56.37 | dfighter | college |
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| 19:56.40 | dfighter | not university |
| 19:56.57 | pratikone | which one/ |
| 19:57.00 | marekweb | if all 1116 of us students teamed up, we could conquer the world |
| 19:57.44 | dfighter | pratikone not giving out personal details :P |
| 19:57.58 | pratikone | marekweb : aaah, always had plans of world domination. |
| 19:58.16 | pratikone | dfighter : yeah, would stalk you if you did :P |
| 19:58.18 | dfighter | oh me too, until pinkie ruined it |
| 19:58.29 | dfighter | ( speaking of world domination ) |
| 19:58.42 | dfighter | pratikone actually there have been some who did |
| 19:58.47 | dfighter | wasn't very funny |
| 19:58.52 | khrm | I thought every college is a part of university? Or is it only in my part of the world? |
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| 19:59.24 | dfighter | khrm not everywhere apparently |
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| 20:01.54 | vladikoff | kjrm, dfighter, not in Canada for example |
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| 20:08.09 | khrm | dfighter CS or non CS student? I am always in doubt about which students to classified as CS? Is it separate everywhere? I am a non CS but E&C ( in regard to my college) so I have studied many CS subjects too.But then there are colleges where there is no separate CS. So i am in a limbo. |
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| 20:12.17 | khrm | Bye. Going for study.. |
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| 20:12.41 | simple__ | i need help with google maps api, where do i go for that question? |
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| 20:13.17 | carols | simple__: #googlemaps |
| 20:13.32 | simple__ | hah with all 8 people ? |
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| 20:14.17 | MJBrune | Hey are student proposals still open? |
| 20:14.26 | carols | MJBrune: for applying? no. |
| 20:14.54 | MJBrune | i mean for someone who wants to join an existing project. |
| 20:15.13 | carols | MJBrune: an existing organization? just contact them and tell them you'd like to volunteer. |
| 20:15.35 | MJBrune | carols: ahh thanks. |
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| 21:55.41 | houbsi | i'm not online for several hours and a ton of mails from the GSoC mailinglists :D yhep |
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