| 00:00.22 | ojwb | yes |
| 00:00.34 | ojwb | and if it's set, you can add private reviews but not set scores |
| 00:00.42 | ojwb | scores are always private |
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| 00:01.15 | ojwb | scoring should be on by default though, so it sounds like an admin for your org deliberately disabled it |
| 00:01.52 | arma | right. and now a different admin is enough to enable it again. :) |
| 00:01.57 | arma | s/enough/about/ |
| 00:02.09 | carldani | Odd. I just noticed that our worst proposals are from students who claim to be from India/Pakistan. Probably a statistical anomaly. |
| 00:03.00 | ojwb | carldani: actually there's been a pattern that there are a lot of low quality applications from India |
| 00:03.16 | ojwb | there are some very good ones too |
| 00:03.26 | Catfish_Man | yeah, that's normal. I asked one of the good ones about it, I forget who exactly |
| 00:03.30 | Catfish_Man | the explanation they gave was quite interesting |
| 00:03.44 | ojwb | Catfish_Man: do tell |
| 00:03.50 | Catfish_Man | apparently there's huge amounts of peer pressure in the technical schools, leading to lots of people who wouldn't normally apply doing so to avoid looking bad |
| 00:03.50 | carldani | Catfish_Man: Yes please |
| 00:04.08 | carldani | For real? |
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| 00:04.45 | Catfish_Man | it makes some sense. I don't have any firsthand knowledge to draw from though |
| 00:05.29 | ojwb | that would explain why some of them don't seem to be really trying |
| 00:05.40 | ojwb | if they're just doing it so they can say they applied |
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| 00:40.21 | greeniekin | !slots |
| 00:40.21 | gsocbot | greeniekin: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 00:40.47 | greeniekin | !stats |
| 00:40.47 | gsocbot | greeniekin: I have 2 registered users with 1 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 00:41.29 | greeniekin | !applications |
| 00:41.48 | mmadia | !numapps | greeniekin |
| 00:41.49 | gsocbot | greeniekin: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 00:41.59 | mmadia | is that what you were looking for? |
| 00:42.04 | greeniekin | mmadia, thank you. i forgot what it was |
| 00:42.34 | greeniekin | mmadia, i was hoping it would have total slots for this year |
| 00:43.05 | mmadia | that might be in a faq. |
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| 00:44.43 | greeniekin | I can't see it. Slots were only released today(for orgs and i think only mentors can see). I though they may have the total somewhere. I'm sure it will show up somwhere eventually |
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| 00:46.12 | ojwb | greeniekin: I've not seen a figure for the total announced yet |
| 00:46.18 | ojwb | thought I think carol implied it would be more than last year |
| 00:46.54 | greeniekin | ojwb, I kinda expected that. because more orgs were accepted this yera as well |
| 00:47.02 | greeniekin | *year |
| 00:47.10 | ojwb | indeed |
| 00:47.16 | ojwb | I don't think we know slots yet |
| 00:47.23 | ojwb | at least I've not seen it |
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| 00:48.44 | greeniekin | it's confusing with my timezone. it's 13th of aprill here and it says 12th they release the preliminary slots |
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| 00:49.12 | ojwb | it |
| 00:49.16 | ojwb | blergh |
| 00:49.21 | ojwb | it's afternoon on 13th for me... |
| 00:49.47 | ojwb | but carol said close of business I think, which is about now in CA |
| 00:50.11 | greeniekin | it's 11am where i am. ojwb where do you live? |
| 00:50.20 | ojwb | NZ |
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| 00:50.37 | greeniekin | ojwb, ok i'm in melbourne australia |
| 00:51.02 | greeniekin | I was thinking there are not too many people that would be past gmt 10+ |
| 00:51.17 | ojwb | yes, it gets pretty thin |
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| 00:51.46 | ojwb | it's handy for deadlines in the rest of the world |
| 00:51.57 | greeniekin | lol good point |
| 00:52.41 | greeniekin | though my org has meeting's in what would be 4 am >< so obviously i can't attend |
| 00:53.27 | greeniekin | ojwb, so are you an mentor or student? |
| 00:53.37 | ojwb | mentor and admin |
| 00:55.15 | greeniekin | so you should see the slot allocation soon then. I'm a student. So i will have to see what my orgs policy is on releasing the number |
| 00:55.35 | ojwb | i think we're usually asked not to share them |
| 00:55.54 | greeniekin | I figured that would be the case. |
| 00:55.58 | ojwb | the final number the org ends up with may change anyway |
| 00:56.38 | greeniekin | i know. lets hope both our orgs only go up |
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| 00:57.21 | ojwb | well, they should only go down if the org voluntarily gives up slots |
| 00:58.14 | greeniekin | ojwb, though the slots that are allocated get reallocated to other orgs. I think thats right |
| 00:58.34 | ojwb | slots that are given back are |
| 00:58.49 | greeniekin | yes thats what i mean |
| 00:58.57 | ojwb | yes, none are "lost" |
| 00:59.09 | ojwb | unless a student drops out rather late on |
| 00:59.20 | greeniekin | so that means ours could go up |
| 00:59.20 | greeniekin | thats true |
| 00:59.30 | LetterRip | oh are they allocated? |
| 00:59.37 | ojwb | not yet, afaik |
| 00:59.41 | LetterRip | ok |
| 00:59.59 | ojwb | but I'm not checking mail every 30 seconds, so maybe |
| 01:00.10 | greeniekin | lol |
| 01:00.31 | LetterRip | well it is presumably sleepy time for carols -(she is back in europe now right?) |
| 01:00.58 | ojwb | she said close of business pacific time |
| 01:01.11 | ojwb | and I'm pretty sure she's usually based in CA |
| 01:01.17 | greeniekin | normally it's 19 utc stuff happens. though it's 1am utc at the moment |
| 01:01.35 | ojwb | they wanted the requests finalised by midnight utc |
| 01:01.55 | ojwb | i suspect it's just taking a while to review, so just be patient |
| 01:01.57 | greeniekin | o ok |
| 01:01.58 | LetterRip | ojwb oh ok |
| 01:02.19 | LetterRip | wasn't being impatient - just greeniekin had talked about getting more |
| 01:02.33 | ojwb | 20 seconds to review per org would be an hour |
| 01:02.33 | LetterRip | so presumed that meant there were sum already :) |
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| 01:34.25 | greeniekin | wow in 2008 they had 1125 student and then it was reduced to 1000 the year after and the year after that didn't grow much |
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| 01:35.11 | ojwb | I think that was probably due to the recession hitting |
| 01:35.31 | greeniekin | yah that makes sense |
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| 01:37.13 | greeniekin | ojwb, actually in 2008 they had 175 orgs. which is the same as this year. so maybe there will be roughly 1125 aswell |
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| 02:58.49 | arma | what ratio of 'amazing' to 'total' slots are people asking for? i imagine there will be some tragedy of the commons going on here. |
| 02:59.55 | dberkholz | hmm, people need to do their research. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html |
| 03:00.08 | dberkholz | "We are excited to announce that we will extend the scope of the program this year by targeting a 25% increase in accepted student applications..." |
| 03:00.37 | dberkholz | arma: we ended up around half, based on that graphing script i sent out |
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| 03:06.51 | ojwb | dberkholz: that's the announcement I was thinking off, but I didn't remember is stating a figure |
| 03:06.56 | ojwb | technically it doesn't, I guess |
| 03:07.36 | ojwb | so that's 1282.5 students |
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| 03:49.08 | virtual_lark | In my proposal review here is comment "Please rename your proposal to meet the guidelines". How to do this? Should I withdraw my proposal and resumbit it again? or what? |
| 03:49.37 | ojwb | virtual_lark: just edit the title |
| 03:49.50 | ojwb | assuming that's possible - it was before the deadline |
| 03:50.02 | ojwb | you might need to get the org to enable edits |
| 03:50.53 | virtual_lark | ojwb, thanks. |
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| 04:04.06 | ojwb | wonders how slots allocations are notified |
| 04:04.21 | ojwb | as it is, I've no idea what to be reloading repeatedly! |
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| 04:04.59 | CrawfordComeaux | ojwb: slots haven't been assigned yet, correct? |
| 04:05.07 | ojwb | not as far as I know |
| 04:05.17 | dberkholz | considering they didn't have to be done till the working day was over in california, i'm guessing that they'll show up by 1900 tomorrow if we're lucky |
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| 04:05.33 | dberkholz | since we know manual verification by 2 people is involved |
| 04:05.34 | ojwb | it was 4pm CA time wasn't it? |
| 04:05.55 | ojwb | but I did think carol's "close of business" was a bit optimistic |
| 04:06.05 | xudifsd | Hi, i have a question. someone leave comment on my proposal, how could i reply it? |
| 04:06.07 | ojwb | or maybe I just misread it |
| 04:06.10 | dberkholz | 1900 is noon, so it would've been 5pm i think |
| 04:06.52 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: for some reason part of your name just made me think of the hamburgulars 'speech' - robble robble |
| 04:06.53 | ojwb | dberkholz: ah yes, I looked at UK time, but that's UTC+1 now |
| 04:07.26 | dberkholz | xudifsd: you leave a comment of your own |
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| 04:08.11 | xudifsd | dberkholz: just in socghop's interface? need not use email? |
| 04:08.24 | dberkholz | xudifsd: please don't use email unless specifically requested, use the interface |
| 04:08.42 | ojwb | it's confusing if the discussion isn't all together |
| 04:09.02 | ojwb | people may look in melange and think you haven't answered |
| 04:09.19 | xudifsd | dberkholz: he will know it if i replay in interface,right? |
| 04:09.41 | dberkholz | yep, for everyone who didn't get so sick of notifications that they disabled them |
| 04:10.02 | xudifsd | i see. |
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| 04:10.06 | xudifsd | thanks |
| 04:10.10 | LetterRip | dberkholz: heh - yes one of our mentors just decided to delete them all he was getting so many |
| 04:10.28 | dberkholz | xudifsd: it wouldn't be bad to mention to someone on irc that you left a comment on the webapp |
| 04:11.38 | xudifsd | dberkholz: eh, i see, just in case. i will mention it.thanks |
| 04:11.57 | dberkholz | i'm gonna escape from my computer and read for a while. back tomorrow |
| 04:13.16 | hypatia | i got another Sir |
| 04:13.18 | hypatia | omg |
| 04:13.19 | hypatia | rage. |
| 04:13.51 | dfighter | lol |
| 04:13.56 | dfighter | hi sir |
| 04:14.20 | hypatia | >_< |
| 04:14.28 | scorche | sighs |
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| 04:14.42 | CrawfordComeaux | Is the "sir" a redflag? |
| 04:14.47 | scorche | why are we starting this conversation up on the ML again...didnt carols say no more? |
| 04:15.07 | scorche | CrawfordComeaux: generally, females dont appreciate being called sir |
| 04:15.22 | dfighter | ( even if some of them look like such ) |
| 04:15.37 | CrawfordComeaux | scorche: ha! good point, there! |
| 04:15.50 | dfighter | but I agree I'd be mad too if people called me miss |
| 04:15.51 | scorche | dfighter: and males dont like being called ma'am either (even though some of them look like such too ;) ) |
| 04:15.59 | dfighter | yes |
| 04:16.03 | dfighter | just like I've just said ^^ |
| 04:16.27 | scorche | meh - not even a second between those lines |
| 04:16.38 | dfighter | on the other hand I find it funny when someone takes it so seriously and get offended |
| 04:16.45 | dfighter | gets* |
| 04:16.57 | scorche | well, dont in this channel at least |
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| 04:17.09 | scorche | we like to try and treat each other with a bit of respect here ;) |
| 04:17.17 | dfighter | sure |
| 04:17.30 | hypatia | CrawfordComeaux: i wasn't even referring to the ML convo. i am just tired of students assuming that i am a dude when they write to me directly |
| 04:17.55 | CrawfordComeaux | hypatia: I understand completely :) Didn't even think this was related to the ML convo |
| 04:18.10 | hypatia | ah gotcha |
| 04:18.19 | hypatia | dfighter: also, i wasn't offended, i was annoyed. |
| 04:18.23 | hypatia | just for reference :) |
| 04:18.25 | scorche | hypatia: then kindly correct them and hopefully try to get them not to assume in the future ;) |
| 04:18.32 | dfighter | scorche I have the outmost respect to females, especially the ones close to me ;) |
| 04:18.36 | dfighter | hypatia ok then |
| 04:18.39 | hypatia | scorche: i did :) |
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| 04:20.03 | ojwb | I find being called sir in this context slightly inappropriate and I'm male |
| 04:20.27 | hypatia | ojwb: it's inappropriately deferential |
| 04:20.39 | ojwb | hypatia: yes, that's pretty much it |
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| 04:21.51 | svaksha | hands hypatia a cookie |
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| 04:22.58 | tomprince|hermes | Some people have suggested that it might partly be a cultural thing (re: level appropriateness/defferentialness) |
| 04:23.07 | tomprince|hermes | wonders if those are words |
| 04:23.35 | dfighter | people from Asia and Middle-East seem to like to use it |
| 04:23.35 | ojwb | I'm sure that's the main factor |
| 04:25.06 | apurvtwr | what happens to student who do start their application with "Hi sir" and are fortunate enough to have their proposal read by a female mentor? |
| 04:25.43 | svaksha | apurvtwr: they annoy the person? |
| 04:25.59 | LetterRip | apurvtwr: probably nothing |
| 04:25.59 | svaksha | mildly |
| 04:26.07 | LetterRip | asside from mild annoyance |
| 04:26.27 | scorche | apurvtwr: well, many cultures participate in GSoC - it is typically best to address it with them politely and to be informative about why (at least in the "western world", it generally is discouraged |
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| 04:26.41 | ojwb | though it's really the org's fault for including the "Salutation to annoy female mentors:" field in the template |
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| 04:27.41 | svaksha | apurvtwr: i'd assume the content of your proposal matters more than "sir/madam" -- the latter is hardly going to improve one's bad proposal |
| 04:27.57 | svaksha | for whatever definition of bad |
| 04:29.35 | apurvtwr | hmm ... you are right ... it's probably a cultural thing ( and more importantly these words are used in "respect" and are hardly meant to offend) .. although I agree that if that happens to end up in the hand of wrong gender it might |
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| 04:31.06 | apurvtwr | svaksha: right ofcourse. I was wondering if this mild annoyance also reflect in judging the proposal |
| 04:32.23 | dfighter | apurvtwr unless it's read by some hardcore post-modern feminist, it shouldn't |
| 04:33.04 | svaksha | apurvtwr: i dont think so, but that is my personal opinion. If the proposal is good one stands a chance no matter what, but a bad one might not necesarily get through because they used the appropriate gender salutation. |
| 04:33.10 | scorche | "You have used [ARG:3 UNDEFINED] out of 5 login attempts. " |
| 04:33.44 | apurvtwr | haha..ok |
| 04:36.26 | svaksha | if you must use, try gender neutral terms like 'mentors' or 'folks' <-- not sure how respectful this sounds. |
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| 04:39.47 | lh | dfighter: even us hardcore post-modern feminists recognize the conventions of address |
| 04:39.54 | apurvtwr | svaksha: for the record . I don't use "Hi Sir" :) . I was just curious, how that the salutation became a point of concern :P |
| 04:40.03 | lh | svaksha: dear mentors is excellent |
| 04:40.06 | scorche | hugs lh |
| 04:40.11 | jrabbit | lol |
| 04:40.15 | lh | scorche: how are you sweetie? miss you! |
| 04:40.21 | lh | hugs scorche right back |
| 04:40.22 | hypatia | apurvtwr: a student addressed me as "sir" in replying to my comment on their proposal |
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| 04:40.28 | hypatia | apurvtwr: that's how it came up :) |
| 04:40.41 | dfighter | lh that's nice to hear, sadly my experiences kinda contradict that |
| 04:40.46 | scorche | bah - busy busy - i cant wait until summer when i have much more free time to actually work on projects =) |
| 04:41.02 | lh | dfighter: come to the kind side of po-mo feminism. we have cookies we make together. |
| 04:41.09 | dfighter | :) |
| 04:41.14 | scorche | still enjoying portland? - i was just talking with the GF about the city and we reasoned we need to make a trip out there sometime as neither of us have been |
| 04:41.17 | ojwb | apurvtwr: I think the issue really is that it happens repeatedly |
| 04:41.19 | hypatia | dfighter: if anythign, we hardcore postmodern feminists tend to be pretty fussy about getting peoples' pronouns correct :) |
| 04:41.26 | hypatia | also, delicious cookies. |
| 04:41.35 | lh | scorche: i <3 portland. it is fantastic here. however, the coffee addiction shows no sign onf abating |
| 04:41.35 | ojwb | one off is probably just oddly amusing |
| 04:41.43 | lh | ^5s hypatia |
| 04:41.49 | ojwb | hi lh |
| 04:41.56 | hypatia | ojwb / apurvtwr yeah, it's the 3rd time for me this GSoC |
| 04:41.58 | lh | ojwb: how are you my friend? i hope all is well. |
| 04:42.05 | ojwb | pretty good |
| 04:42.11 | jpf_admin | apurvtwr: I can tell you by experience that the salutation has had no impact on how we evaluate proposals or reply to emails. I am a woman and an org admin and I have seen my share of "Dear sir" inquiries. |
| 04:42.14 | ojwb | heading back to the UK for the first time in a while tomorrow |
| 04:42.15 | hypatia | lh: i am hoping to move to your general area in the near future! by which i mean seattle |
| 04:42.23 | lh | hypatia: i am happy i can chalk up such things to a unisex name, every time. keeps my inner cranky down. |
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| 04:42.41 | lh | hypatia: that is great news! would love to hang out given that i have other friends in SEA |
| 04:42.51 | lh | ojwb: for how long will your travels take you to the UK? |
| 04:42.56 | ojwb | 3 weeks |
| 04:42.57 | apurvtwr | hypatia: oh. I hope people learn :) |
| 04:43.01 | lh | ojwb: that sounds just lovely. |
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| 04:43.05 | hypatia | apurvtwr: i hope so too :/ |
| 04:43.05 | scorche | lh: i got one of these because it describes my lifestyle accurately: http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=18766 |
| 04:43.06 | scorche | ;) |
| 04:43.07 | ojwb | should be |
| 04:43.09 | scorche | <3 tea |
| 04:43.23 | lh | scorche: that suits you to a t. |
| 04:43.28 | lh | see what i did there? |
| 04:43.28 | scorche | =) |
| 04:43.29 | hypatia | apurvtwr: more importantly, i hope we solve that whole "few women in FOSS" bug and it becomes something people don't assume :) |
| 04:43.31 | lh | that's right, not funny. |
| 04:43.39 | ojwb | and jenny has a conference in stockholm, so her flight is paid for by work |
| 04:43.58 | lh | pulls up a seat on the free couch and listens to hypatia speak the good word |
| 04:44.14 | scorche | hypatia: sticking with <same company> while there or moving for a new job? |
| 04:44.32 | DanKluev | Makes me wonder how do you get 'dear sir' in applications with fixed templates which dont have it |
| 04:44.32 | lh | ojwb: oh that's even better. any special plans for trip? will you stay in stockholm with jenny or in the UK? |
| 04:44.33 | hypatia | scorche: i left <contracting gig> last summer and went back to school |
| 04:44.38 | hypatia | i'm an FT student right now |
| 04:44.41 | scorche | hypatia: i hope so too, but i would imagine these mentor list mails dont help matters much... |
| 04:44.47 | apurvtwr | hypatia: actually that is very true. But that would take some time ofcourse |
| 04:44.56 | scorche | hypatia: ah - i guess i wasnt aware you were just with <them> temporarily |
| 04:45.11 | ojwb | lh: I'll just stay in the UK then, though I have a conference in dublin just after we arrive |
| 04:45.11 | hypatia | DanKluev: it was in a comment, not the application itself. other times it was in emails to me. |
| 04:45.12 | lh | DanKluev: the templates are not fixed so much. |
| 04:45.28 | ojwb | lh: just visiting family and friends mostly I think |
| 04:45.32 | apurvtwr | jpf_admin: I thought jpf was avoiding IRC |
| 04:45.33 | hypatia | scorche: you may be referring to one job previous |
| 04:45.33 | ojwb | aside from the conferences |
| 04:45.38 | hypatia | scorche: i left symc in feb |
| 04:45.39 | lh | ojwb: definitely a busy trip for you then, but always good to reconnect with family. |
| 04:45.44 | lh | did some of that myself last weekend. |
| 04:45.49 | ojwb | cool |
| 04:46.02 | scorche | hypatia: i guess i am not as up to date on your personal life as i had previously imagined ;) |
| 04:46.04 | lh | wanders off in search of a cup of tea |
| 04:46.37 | hypatia | jpf_admin: i wouldn't judge someone based on their misgendering me. i'm venting here in a more abstract manner. i would, however, judge them based on how they react to being corrected - learning from one's mistakes is an important FOSS skill :) |
| 04:46.50 | scorche | lh: i highly approve of http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003KYSLNQ/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A2R3C9EKLQ57PZ |
| 04:47.27 | LetterRip | hypatia: i'd learn from my mistakes if i ever made any - hehe |
| 04:47.35 | hypatia | LetterRip: a good skill to have :) |
| 04:48.26 | LetterRip | ... i thought i was wrong once, but i was mistaken |
| 04:49.27 | LetterRip | has to be one of my favorite coffee mug slogans |
| 04:49.41 | LetterRip | anyone else obsessively reloading their email... |
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| 04:49.55 | ojwb | not for gsoc |
| 04:50.07 | ojwb | hoping the work I've just finished is really finished though |
| 04:50.22 | LetterRip | goes and does something productive for distraction |
| 04:50.50 | ojwb | lh: is it weird for you seeing GSoC from this side? |
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| 04:52.43 | lh | scorche: i don't think i have what it takes for that kettle |
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| 04:53.07 | lh | ojwb: it is and it is not. i knew it was a lot of work for proposal review, but this is definitely a new perspective. |
| 04:53.09 | scorche | lh: generally, you just use the kettle for water ;) |
| 04:53.19 | lh | got talked into org admining for gentoo, too |
| 04:53.26 | scorche | lh: it is also great for stuff like noodles, matzo brei, etc |
| 04:53.30 | lh | not that i have been doing enough mind you |
| 04:53.45 | scorche | oh? - what about donnie? |
| 04:53.57 | scorche | or am i mis-remembering orgs? |
| 04:53.58 | lh | scorche: no more kitchen gadgets please. i just moved. i have an empty kitchen. it begs to be filled with gadgets. i am trying to be good. |
| 04:53.59 | ojwb | you can have multiple admins |
| 04:54.08 | lh | scorche: you are not misremembering. guess who pulled me in? :) |
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| 04:54.27 | scorche | lh: ah - so you are a backup admin of sorts? |
| 04:54.34 | lh | scorche: yes. |
| 04:54.36 | lh | !timeline |
| 04:54.36 | gsocbot | lh: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 04:54.49 | jpf_admin | hypatia: I have not figured out the protocol. I couldn't decided whether to correct them or just ignore it. I end up doing the later but signing my name generally gets it corrected. |
| 04:54.50 | mlankhorst | hey |
| 04:55.00 | scorche | lh: also, you can never resist kitchen gadgets for too long ;) |
| 04:55.06 | lh | huzzah! my vacation to tropical islands does not conflict with any gsoc deadlines |
| 04:55.11 | lh | mlankhorst: greetings! |
| 04:55.17 | mlankhorst | lh: morning :) |
| 04:55.23 | lh | scorche: i can try. i have resisted ikea now for months. well two months. |
| 04:55.28 | hypatia | jpf_admin: i have a gender-neutral name... though googling it would show i am female pretty much right away. so getting it wrong does show a lack of attention to detail, haha |
| 04:55.40 | hypatia | at least, i always google names when i am unsure of someone's gender |
| 04:55.46 | scorche | lh: i cave whenever they have the meatballs dish for $1 sale |
| 04:55.56 | lh | hypatia: that's good advice to share. i think many folks don't think of it. |
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| 04:56.08 | ojwb | no ikea in NZ, sniff |
| 04:56.17 | lh | scorche: and for some reason i always convince myself that i really do need 500 extra tea light candles |
| 04:56.17 | jpf_admin | Hypatia: My email signature has a link to my webpage that has a picture. :) Thats generally the deadest giveaway |
| 04:56.36 | lh | ojwb: but you have freedom furniture. i <3 freedom. they have the best glassware. |
| 04:56.39 | hypatia | and more importantly, it's nto that hard to be gender-neutral when i'm not sure, heh |
| 04:56.47 | ojwb | there's a formula for where to build a store, and nowhere here fits |
| 04:56.51 | lh | ojwb: i perfected my glass packing techniques due to their wares |
| 04:56.58 | ojwb | lh: not discovered them yet |
| 04:57.00 | hypatia | jpf_admin: i should probably get into that whole email signature thing, haha |
| 04:57.04 | lh | ojwb: oh wow, they are fantastic. |
| 04:57.45 | lh | i think i will update the old blog given i am now three conference behind. |
| 04:57.51 | jpf_admin | hypatia: I personally never add gender specific salutations in email or any written communication |
| 04:57.51 | lh | s/conference/conferences |
| 04:58.20 | jpf_admin | hypatia: you may discover them to be a tad big over-rated ;)) |
| 04:58.28 | hypatia | jpf_admin: lol |
| 04:58.31 | mlankhorst | geekfeminism++ :P |
| 04:58.46 | hypatia | mlankhorst: iawtc! |
| 04:59.00 | hypatia | (i'm one of the geekfeminism.org bloggers) |
| 04:59.04 | mlankhorst | hehe :) |
| 04:59.15 | apurvtwr | lol |
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| 05:00.00 | arma | lh: woah, hey, good to see you back. :) |
| 05:00.09 | hypatia | hey arma ! |
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| 05:00.45 | lh | arma: i haven't seen you in forever. how have you been? good to see you my friend. |
| 05:01.36 | mlankhorst | which one? :) |
| 05:01.38 | mlankhorst | btw |
| 05:02.07 | arma | hypatia: hola. par-ty. |
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| 05:02.39 | arma | lh: good. busy. tor is too big. i used to be at the point where i couldn't get much work done while keeping track of everything. now i simply cannot keep track of everything. need to find a new plan. |
| 05:02.40 | hypatia | arma: it sure is! i had what was hopefully my last final in undergrad today :D |
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| 05:03.18 | arma | hypatia: i decided many years ago that i would never take a class that graded me again. |
| 05:03.19 | jpf_admin | Congrats hypatia! |
| 05:03.23 | lh | arma: if clones are out, i suggest minions. |
| 05:03.30 | lh | hypatia: what jpf_admin said |
| 05:03.35 | hypatia | thanks, folks |
| 05:03.37 | Ophiuchi | arma: give up (keeping track of everything) and be happy :) |
| 05:03.39 | hypatia | i am not 100% sure i passed |
| 05:03.43 | hypatia | but fingers crossed, heh |
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| 05:03.53 | lh | hypatia: have you ever not passed a class? seriously? |
| 05:03.56 | lh | can't imagine that |
| 05:03.58 | hypatia | arma: yeah i am done with grading. degrees are useful for immigration though! |
| 05:04.02 | hypatia | lh: hahahahhaa |
| 05:04.06 | arma | lh: i have the minions. tor funds 10+ people currently. that does not solve the brain link problem though. |
| 05:04.23 | lh | arma: i do best with post it notes. seriously. lots of them. |
| 05:04.37 | hypatia | lh: sadly, i'm terrible at the kind of semi-structured learning that university involves |
| 05:04.45 | hypatia | i need to have to be somewhere at 9am |
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| 05:04.47 | lh | hypatia: i see. i will continue maintaining my illusion of your super awesome never failsness. or something. |
| 05:04.50 | hypatia | or preferably at 10am |
| 05:04.58 | hypatia | lh: i am awesome! just not at school, haha |
| 05:05.08 | Ophiuchi | lh: I'm imagining a monitor that looks like a scaled beast now :) |
| 05:05.12 | lh | hypatia: that makes perfect sense. |
| 05:05.16 | hypatia | well i sometimes am. i have like all A's and D's and nothing in between, haha |
| 05:05.32 | mlankhorst | hypatia: i know that feeling |
| 05:05.34 | lh | Ophiuchi: happy to help. please add to the free bestiary. it's on the free coffee table next to the free couch. |
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| 05:05.41 | jpf_admin | hypatia: I have always been a big fan of the "all or none law" |
| 05:05.49 | lh | once again i note that i didn't have enough fun in college. |
| 05:05.53 | hypatia | jpf_admin: i'm unfamiliar |
| 05:05.59 | lh | yet more reason to go back |
| 05:06.06 | mlankhorst | they claim its hard, but tutor me properly, while continuously claiming its hard, I had a good passing grade :P |
| 05:06.11 | hypatia | lh: i only went fulltime for 4ish semesters |
| 05:06.12 | mlankhorst | average.. meh :P |
| 05:06.25 | jpf_admin | hypatia: http://bit.ly/i2RMDN |
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| 05:07.11 | lh | hypatia: i am kicking around the idea of public policy, but for now just casually kicking. working for a university has wonderful tuition benefits. |
| 05:07.20 | hypatia | lh: i bet it does |
| 05:07.30 | hypatia | is vaguely jealous |
| 05:07.36 | jpf_admin | hypatia: its my excuse for not putting enough energy into something. |
| 05:07.41 | hypatia | i like being in school. i just suck at showing up to classes :/ |
| 05:07.43 | arma | lh: wait, so this central america gig is long gone? or was i imagining things |
| 05:08.16 | lh | arma: it didn't work out. i discovered reviewing e-commerce business plans was too crappy to make costa rica look nice. |
| 05:08.25 | lh | i missed my foss doings and people. |
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| 05:08.41 | arma | ah. well. lesson learned, then. |
| 05:09.19 | hypatia | i turned down a job offer to bermuda to move to seattle |
| 05:09.34 | hypatia | some would call this weird. |
| 05:09.52 | scorche | meh - depends on the job |
| 05:09.58 | hypatia | jpf_admin: corrolary: D is for degree! |
| 05:10.00 | hypatia | hehe |
| 05:10.08 | hypatia | scorche: it was a pretty cool job, hehe |
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| 05:12.04 | jpf_admin | hypatia: And Done |
| 05:12.15 | hypatia | :) |
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| 05:12.25 | scorche | hypatia: doing what if you dont mind me asking? |
| 05:12.39 | hypatia | scorche: bank infosec |
| 05:12.56 | hypatia | which i realize isn't everyone's cup of tea, but i thought the job was pretty interesting |
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| 05:13.37 | scorche | hypatia: ah - and what did you accept in seattle? |
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| 05:14.22 | hypatia | scorche: i'm still looking, got a bunch of interviews starting nect week |
| 05:14.36 | scorche | well, good luck then! |
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| 05:15.21 | hypatia | thanks, scorche |
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| 05:15.59 | greeniekin | anyone know if preliminary slot allocation has been released? |
| 05:16.14 | hypatia | greeniekin: not til tomorrow |
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| 05:17.29 | greeniekin | hypatia, really? it says 12th of april mentor slots are announced and adjusted until 14th of april |
| 05:17.44 | greeniekin | and it's the 13th nearly everywhere in the world now |
| 05:18.22 | nishmu | A general question to students. How many courses do you have to take per semester? |
| 05:18.22 | hypatia | hmm i think that's been changed, as we only had to commit to desired/max slots a few hours ago, greeniekin |
| 05:18.35 | ojwb | given it's not out yet, either carol is very late at work, or it'll be tomorrow |
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| 05:19.06 | greeniekin | i supose your right |
| 05:19.07 | hypatia | nishmu: at my school (university of toronto): per semester, 5 is a "regular load", 6 is the max load, but 3 is considered full time. |
| 05:19.11 | hofer | is the slot allocation info public? Or just for mentors? |
| 05:19.33 | ojwb | i doubt it'll be public at this stage |
| 05:19.42 | ojwb | you'll be able to at least count the final numbers |
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| 05:19.58 | nishmu | hypatia: Hmm, I see. Here we for first 6 semesters, we have no choice, but to bear 6 scourses + 2 labs. |
| 05:20.15 | hypatia | nishmu: that is brutal |
| 05:20.17 | nishmu | What about the shedules? |
| 05:20.28 | nishmu | I mean do you get breaks during the day? |
| 05:20.38 | nishmu | Or is it like 8-4 like here |
| 05:20.48 | hypatia | nishmu: for arts + science in general, it's not really a set program |
| 05:20.53 | hypatia | you get to choose a lot of classes |
| 05:20.57 | hypatia | engineering, it's more set |
| 05:21.15 | hypatia | but this semester i took 4 classes and had 7 hours a week of class |
| 05:21.18 | hypatia | for example |
| 05:21.19 | mlankhorst | hypatia: bah used to be the case here, they tightened it up :( |
| 05:21.27 | hypatia | though one class is a project class, and has no set hours |
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| 05:21.37 | hypatia | mlankhorst: bummer |
| 05:21.46 | nishmu | What??!! 7 hours a week class |
| 05:21.55 | hypatia | it really depends on the program.. one of my majors had 304 different options for classes |
| 05:22.07 | mlankhorst | now the university cares more about the process than the contents :\ |
| 05:22.19 | nishmu | You mean 7 hours for all courses combined? |
| 05:22.20 | hypatia | nishmu: two of my classes were humanities: 2 hours/week. one was CS: 3 hours. |
| 05:22.36 | hypatia | 2 hours /week each for the humanities, tht is |
| 05:23.00 | hypatia | in first year when i was taking all sciences and labs, i had more like 15 hours a week |
| 05:23.06 | nishmu | Ah, you are too lucky, you get lots of free time. |
| 05:23.07 | hypatia | but still, very much not 8-4 |
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| 05:23.13 | ojwb | is reminded of a joke from his uni days |
| 05:23.16 | ojwb | "joke" |
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| 05:23.31 | hypatia | nishmu: well, you're expected to do another 2-5 hours per class per week on your own time |
| 05:23.31 | ojwb | why don't humanities students look out of the window in the morning? |
| 05:23.38 | hypatia | ojwb: because they are asleep? |
| 05:24.03 | hypatia | actually my humanities classes were brutal this year (for me, anyway) - 11-3pm on tuesdays, no breaks. |
| 05:24.04 | nishmu | hypatia: Does your uni force attendance requirements? |
| 05:24.05 | ojwb | hypatia: well, the answer then was "it gives them something to do in the afternoon" |
| 05:24.15 | apurvtwr | :D |
| 05:24.31 | hypatia | nishmu: some classes grade you on "participation" which is often also attendance. but grading on attendance alone is actually banned at my school |
| 05:24.35 | ojwb | i think the reality was actually that sciences had more structure |
| 05:24.35 | iamaregee | :P |
| 05:24.54 | hofer | If I didn't receive any email from the mentors or from google until now does that mean that my project submission was rejected? Or do I just have to wait? |
| 05:24.58 | nishmu | hypatia: Nah, I didn't mean about grading attendace, |
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| 05:25.07 | ojwb | hofer: wait until 25th |
| 05:25.16 | nishmu | Here they need a min of 85% or they do not allow you to write exams |
| 05:25.21 | hypatia | wow |
| 05:25.31 | hypatia | yeah, it's not like that here for arts/science |
| 05:25.38 | ojwb | hofer: though you can usefully do further research on your proposal and add comments |
| 05:25.46 | hypatia | i hear they can fail you out of teachers' college if you miss too many classes though |
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| 05:25.56 | apurvtwr | nishmu: same with my college |
| 05:26.01 | nishmu | yes, I was wondering if there were any engg grads hanging around here |
| 05:26.18 | hypatia | nishmu: this is just my experience at a very big Canadian school though. there is a /lot/ of variance among north american schools |
| 05:26.19 | nishmu | apurvtwr: Yeah there you go!! to share my sorrows ;) |
| 05:26.45 | nishmu | hypatia: hmm, I see |
| 05:27.08 | hypatia | nishmu: my school has 60,000 students |
| 05:27.19 | hypatia | 40k downtown, 10k at each of the suburban campuses |
| 05:27.24 | hofer | ojwb: i see. But are the mentors suppose to comment on the applications by now? Or just after some date? |
| 05:27.27 | mlankhorst | that's a ton.. |
| 05:27.36 | ojwb | hofer: depends on the org |
| 05:27.37 | nishmu | hypatia: Wah! thats like a mini city. |
| 05:27.51 | hypatia | nishmu: it kinda is :) |
| 05:27.53 | chx | hrm, i thought we were siupposed to get slots today? NOT trying to hasten anyone just wondering |
| 05:27.56 | chx | is anxious |
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| 05:28.00 | ojwb | hofer: some orgs get too many proposals to be able to comment on them |
| 05:28.02 | mlankhorst | nishmu: but the students here have their own city :P |
| 05:28.05 | hypatia | chx: not gonna happen til tomorrow :) |
| 05:28.10 | hypatia | at the earliest |
| 05:28.34 | nishmu | mlankhorst: :D |
| 05:28.43 | hypatia | nishmu: http://maps.google.ca/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Toronto,+Ontario+M5V+3Z1&ll=43.663029,-79.393344&spn=0.016982,0.031285&z=15 |
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| 05:29.08 | hypatia | also, the provincial legislature is in the middle of our campus o_0 |
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| 05:31.07 | mlankhorst | and as soon as they finish they go find jobs mostly elsewhere |
| 05:32.54 | nishmu | hypatia: I couldn't figure out whats inside uni and whats not, If my uni was there Iit would be just single line of text with a walled area. |
| 05:33.09 | hypatia | nishmu: the brown stuff is all the uni |
| 05:33.24 | hypatia | it's about 1km*1km |
| 05:33.36 | nishmu | hmm. |
| 05:33.44 | mlankhorst | http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=groningen,+netherlands&aq=&sll=52.469397,5.509644&sspn=5.013564,12.601318&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Groningen&ll=53.21878,6.56004&spn=0.076985,0.196896&z=13 :P |
| 05:34.30 | mlankhorst | center is mostly shops and places for students to live |
| 05:34.46 | sonney2k | !next |
| 05:34.47 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 05:35.20 | apurvtwr | nishmu: that is so not true with iit :) |
| 05:35.41 | hypatia | hey when did socinfo become gsocbot ? |
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| 05:35.53 | apurvtwr | a couple of days back |
| 05:36.08 | mlankhorst | didn't we always have both? |
| 05:36.17 | nishmu | apurvtwr: Yep, they've got whole indendednt paradise/hell whatever they would wish to call |
| 05:36.19 | tomprince|hermes | when it was updated to support piping |
| 05:36.25 | tomprince|hermes | !cookie | hypatia |
| 05:36.26 | gsocbot | hypatia: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 05:36.48 | mlankhorst | although gsocbot might have died on me olde-workstation 2 years back |
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| 05:37.19 | hypatia | hehe |
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| 05:37.30 | apurvtwr | nishmu independent? |
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| 05:38.40 | nishmu | apurvtwr: They have as much freedom they want but within the enclosure of the campus. |
| 05:39.06 | apurvtwr | hehe . No comments now :) |
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| 05:43.25 | in3xes | !logs |
| 05:43.25 | gsocbot | in3xes: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 05:46.34 | hofer | are the mentors comments about a students submission public or private? |
| 05:46.59 | kblin | hypatia: the previous owner of socinfo has registered the socinfo username |
| 05:47.17 | hypatia | kblin: ahh |
| 05:47.28 | kblin | and I thought it'd be nice to allow automatic nick recovery in case of a split/disconnect |
| 05:47.37 | hypatia | makes sense |
| 05:47.55 | kblin | also I needed a new name during testing anyway |
| 05:48.33 | kblin | hypatia: depends on if they check a [ ] Private box |
| 05:48.35 | kblin | er |
| 05:48.39 | kblin | hofer: ^^^\ |
| 05:48.44 | kblin | autocomplete fail |
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| 06:35.24 | thebolt | morning |
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| 06:36.59 | |Kev| | Already? |
| 06:37.19 | mlankhorst | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.25 | mlankhorst | night when you leave |
| 06:37.30 | thebolt | well, here it is actually morning ;) |
| 06:37.36 | |Kev| | And here. |
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| 06:37.42 | |Kev| | I'm just not too thrilled by it :) |
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| 06:38.02 | thebolt | agreed |
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| 07:25.48 | todesumnz | Hi, I'm student. There is a RESUBMIT button in my proposal page. Any idea what exactly it does? |
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| 07:26.46 | cemycc | !orange |
| 07:26.46 | gsocbot | cemycc: "orange" is the color used to mark an active button in melange. Clicking an orange button performs the action written on the button. |
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| 07:27.25 | dfighter | todesumnz http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/bda02183a32391a4 |
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| 07:28.23 | todesumnz | dfighter Thank you! |
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| 07:29.12 | dfighter | todesumnz, np and guess what I'm pretty sure that in the faq or some closely related document you were told to read that list! |
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| 07:54.52 | cojocar | how can I edit my application, after deadline? Should I use Withdraw button, and then should I can resubmit my application? |
| 07:55.31 | Nei | not possible afaik |
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| 07:55.54 | waldi | you can edit your application |
| 07:56.06 | cojocar | waldi: how? |
| 07:56.19 | dfighter | cojocar your org admin needs to enable it |
| 07:56.21 | kai | !edit |
| 07:56.21 | gsocbot | kai: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired. |
| 07:56.21 | dfighter | then you can |
| 07:56.37 | dfighter | mentors too? |
| 07:56.38 | dfighter | ok |
| 07:56.46 | kai | also.. |
| 07:56.59 | kai | !withdraw | cojocar |
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| 07:57.05 | kai | hmm |
| 07:57.13 | kai | !resubmit | cojocar |
| 07:57.13 | gsocbot | cojocar: "resubmit" is You can resubmit your proposal if you accidently clicked withdraw . Withdrawing and resubmitting doesn't allow you to modify your proposal |
| 07:57.24 | cojocar | aha, thanks |
| 07:58.28 | kai | !this cookie | MatthewWilkes |
| 07:58.29 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "this cookie" is for you |
| 07:58.39 | MatthewWilkes | gorges |
| 07:58.43 | MatthewWilkes | Cheers kai :) |
| 07:58.48 | kai | hi |
| 07:59.27 | kai | is procastrinating from doing a major rewrite on a pretty awful piece of software |
| 07:59.59 | ajedwards | morning people |
| 08:00.20 | ajedwards | is procrastinating 2,000 words essay on operating systems =/ |
| 08:01.10 | ajedwards | Never have been too good at backing up my proposed ideas in technical essays.. knowing the answer without researching doesn't help. |
| 08:01.40 | ajedwards | cookies for all? |
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| 08:03.31 | kai | ajedwards: I never ever got essays |
| 08:04.00 | chx | how i hated writing assignments , my lord |
| 08:04.05 | MatthewWilkes | We got them for exams but not coursework |
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| 08:04.23 | MatthewWilkes | I'm currently putting off 4000 words in german on DDR literature |
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| 08:04.35 | zfe | hello |
| 08:04.42 | kai | MatthewWilkes: but you're studying german, that's different |
| 08:04.48 | zfe | google-melange.com is not accessible from turkey |
| 08:04.57 | chx | my editor (yeah, i was a columnist many years back) have derided me my article is a hexdump of my brain and not an article. though i have improved since my writing style is still extremely terse |
| 08:05.07 | kai | !tor | zfe |
| 08:05.07 | chx | my thesis looked like a joke compared to the others' :/ |
| 08:05.19 | kai | hmm |
| 08:05.22 | kai | zfe: try tor |
| 08:05.38 | ajedwards | kai, one tutor LOVES giving out essays... the rest are in the real world and realise coursework is much more effective at showing SoftEng skills |
| 08:05.51 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Indeed, I can still procrastinate though :) |
| 08:06.01 | kai | ajedwards: call it a whitepaper ;) |
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| 08:06.11 | kai | then you're preparing for industry jobs |
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| 08:07.30 | kintec | !slots |
| 08:07.31 | gsocbot | kintec: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 08:07.40 | ajedwards | call it a whitepaper cause the chances are it wont be read anyway ;-) |
| 08:08.15 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 08:08.20 | kai | hey thebolt |
| 08:08.34 | thebolt | how's things? |
| 08:08.50 | MatthewWilkes | morning thebolt |
| 08:08.59 | thebolt | hi mr Wilkes |
| 08:09.45 | MatzeWilkes | A german day today, I think |
| 08:10.03 | thebolt | hm, tim to hit the soldering station again.. another 50ish components in 0603-size to manually pick&place, its so fun |
| 08:11.04 | thebolt | 0603-stuff is 1.2x06mm in size.. smallest size i can possibly handle manually.. |
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| 08:25.00 | kai | valorie: hey there. I take it you're an amarok mentor? :) |
| 08:26.03 | valorie | hi kai |
| 08:26.15 | valorie | no, I'm not qualified to be a mentor |
| 08:26.25 | valorie | but I am an admin for KDE |
| 08:26.29 | kai | ah |
| 08:26.48 | MatzeWilkes | hehe |
| 08:27.02 | valorie | hmmm |
| 08:27.03 | valorie | I write for Amarok |
| 08:27.10 | kai | so at least you're the valorie from the mentors list I had a couple of almost flame email exchanges. pleased to meet you :) |
| 08:27.12 | valorie | briefly disconnected, I guess |
| 08:27.28 | valorie | the same, sadly |
| 08:27.44 | MatzeWilkes | kai: How does that foot taste/ |
| 08:27.50 | hypatia | rofl |
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| 08:28.09 | kai | MatzeWilkes: I don't think I got that one |
| 08:28.12 | ajedwards | haha |
| 08:28.43 | valorie | it's crow I needed to eat, after posting when carol had said stop |
| 08:28.51 | valorie | only I hadn't read her post yet |
| 08:28.59 | valorie | ::sigh:: |
| 08:29.04 | Ophiuchi | heh. I hope noone felt personally flamed by me. It was not intended that way. |
| 08:29.36 | gevaerts | shamefully admits that he didn't flame anyone yet this month on the mentors ML |
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| 08:29.43 | hypatia | offers valorie tea and a hug |
| 08:30.00 | MatzeWilkes | kai: Leo says: ins Fettnäpfchen treten |
| 08:30.03 | MatzeWilkes | :P |
| 08:30.10 | kai | MatzeWilkes: yes, but why? |
| 08:30.33 | MatzeWilkes | Because I'm tired and misread your message? |
| 08:30.36 | MatzeWilkes | Thought there was a not in there |
| 08:30.44 | MatzeWilkes | goes back to staring at his tests |
| 08:31.16 | kai | MatzeWilkes: if you're imagining words that aren't there, is staring at tests a good idea? :) |
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| 08:31.52 | gevaerts | kai: of course! |
| 08:31.59 | gevaerts | Today he will see the expected results :) |
| 08:32.08 | valorie | thank you hypatia |
| 08:32.12 | hypatia | :) |
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| 08:33.39 | kai | valorie: I wonder if it made more sense to have these kinds of discussions on the gsoc-veterans list instead |
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| 08:34.08 | hypatia | kai: that is where carols forwarded the thread |
| 08:34.20 | kai | hypatia: oh, I see |
| 08:34.36 | gevaerts | It could have two effects |
| 08:35.11 | gevaerts | (a) make people more aware of the gsoc-veterans list, so it actually gets used, or (b) make people unsunscribe from the gsoc-veterans list |
| 08:35.36 | kai | hypatia: ah, for some reason I'm on a web-only subscription of that list |
| 08:35.45 | kai | no wonder it felt awfully silent |
| 08:35.56 | valorie | now that I know about it, I hope it will move there, and move in a positive direction |
| 08:35.56 | kai | no, wait, I'm not |
| 08:36.07 | DavidJonesCCF | there is traffic on the gsoc-veterans list? |
| 08:36.14 | valorie | I didn't know about it before |
| 08:36.22 | hypatia | kai: nah, it's just pretty silent |
| 08:36.24 | valorie | more crow to eat.... |
| 08:36.27 | sonney2k | !slots |
| 08:36.27 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 08:36.53 | gevaerts | valorie: it's not been advertised much |
| 08:36.54 | kai | valorie: it's new, and hasn't been advertised to the older orgs enough, I guess |
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| 08:37.15 | kai | valorie: so I'd suggest cookies instead of crows.. way less feathers |
| 08:37.19 | gevaerts | I think one or two emails to the mentors mailing list, and invitations to the new people |
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| 08:37.58 | Ophiuchi | I saw a bit of traffic, but not much yet |
| 08:38.09 | valorie | I had hot chocolate; cookies would have been delicious! |
| 08:38.45 | Ophiuchi | I'm reluctant to do the diversity discussion on there though, the newbies don't need to get drowned out by the 'veterans' having a meta discussion. |
| 08:39.25 | hypatia | i suppose it's fairly meta now that applications are done... but it's probably worthwhile to have at some point this summer |
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| 08:39.30 | hypatia | in preparation for next year |
| 08:39.44 | Ophiuchi | and really, we'd need to hold the discussion 3 months before GSoC application period starts. |
| 08:39.46 | svaksha | valorie: hey, i thought you were mentoring for GCI earlier |
| 08:39.52 | svaksha | reads scrollback |
| 08:39.53 | DavidJonesCCF | FWIW, we, CCF, have a diverse set of students making proposals. We have one woman. out of 18. |
| 08:39.55 | valorie | I was |
| 08:40.11 | Ophiuchi | And I'd need round tuits to advertise to students at the local universities |
| 08:40.13 | valorie | qualified for that, as it didn't have to be code |
| 08:40.18 | valorie | I'm not a coder |
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| 08:40.40 | hypatia | Ophiuchi: 3 months is probably too late ;) |
| 08:40.57 | valorie | I was definitely thinking ahead |
| 08:41.02 | gevaerts | DavidJonesCCF: from my understanding based on interpreting names, we (rockbox) have none |
| 08:41.06 | valorie | naturally it is too late this year |
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| 08:41.21 | Ophiuchi | hypatia: well, beat the drum not so far in advance that people have forgot by the time it becomes relevant :} |
| 08:41.30 | svaksha | valorie: org admin with kde ? |
| 08:41.35 | valorie | yes |
| 08:41.37 | svaksha | cool |
| 08:41.50 | valorie | it has been fun to work with mentors and students |
| 08:41.54 | hypatia | Ophiuchi: good point :) |
| 08:41.59 | svaksha | agrees |
| 08:42.04 | DavidJonesCCF | gevaerts: what do rockbox do? (googling now) |
| 08:42.16 | greeniekin | gevaerts: i remember rockbox. i got a h10 especially so i could install rockbox |
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| 08:42.56 | thebolt | i bricked my iriver player trying to install rockbox :( |
| 08:43.03 | gevaerts | DavidJonesCCF: from our front page, "Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. It runs on a wide range of players", although that misses out recent efforts to also run as an application on various mobile devices |
| 08:43.08 | DavidJonesCCF | right. firmware for gadgets. cool. |
| 08:43.22 | gevaerts | thebolt: oh? What went wrong? |
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| 08:43.56 | thebolt | gevaerts: well, that one (old one) requires a valid FAT filesystem to boot at all.. and somewhere along the setup i managed to destroy the filesystem table |
| 08:44.13 | thebolt | and its a 1.8" disk, and i don't have an adapter |
| 08:44.20 | gevaerts | right |
| 08:44.22 | svaksha | chuckles at lh, 06:40 #gsoc: <@lh> svaksha: dear mentors is excellent |
| 08:44.32 | thebolt | sometime later on i guess i can open it, solder into the USB<->IDE bridge and unbrick it |
| 08:44.52 | DavidJonesCCF | gevaerts: we have a special power when it comes to diversity. kinda. because we're kinda sciencey, many of our applicants were science students. not traditonal CS/OpenSource types. |
| 08:44.53 | greeniekin | thebolt, that sounds painfull |
| 08:45.13 | gevaerts | thebolt: still sounds better than a bad flash on those |
| 08:45.21 | thebolt | greeniekin: not too bad.. i am after all an electronics engineer, designing and hand-manufacturing things like those ;) |
| 08:45.39 | thebolt | gevaerts: yea, but as i don't use it (its a bit.. cluncky compared to modern ones) i haven't got around to do it |
| 08:45.44 | greeniekin | thebolt, sound like a good project |
| 08:46.18 | thebolt | gevaerts: but the sound quality in it was excellent.. and it is the only mp3-player i have seen to date with optical in and out |
| 08:46.21 | greeniekin | yah i recently got an android phone. which works really well. |
| 08:46.29 | gevaerts | 's irivers are right now with someone who can solder so he can use bdm stuff with them |
| 08:46.42 | gevaerts | thebolt: yes, they're rather unique in that way |
| 08:47.10 | DavidJonesCCF | you rockbox people are geeking me out now. And I assure you i am quite geeky (I can hold 4 scope probes on a 0.8mm pitch part with one hand). |
| 08:47.22 | gevaerts | DavidJonesCCF: I can't do that :) |
| 08:47.26 | greeniekin | would be interesting to see a rockbox app. I remember spending hours and hours makeing a theme for mine |
| 08:47.32 | thebolt | neither can i :P |
| 08:47.41 | thebolt | (i do however hand-solder 0.4mm pitch parts ;) |
| 08:48.00 | DavidJonesCCF | yowser. see, i can't solder at all. a two-wire speaker is about my limit. :) |
| 08:48.03 | DavidJonesCCF | right. diversity. |
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| 08:48.25 | thebolt | actually i see that my soldering station is up to temperature, so time to go solder some :) |
| 08:49.51 | greeniekin | thebolt, i solder stuff now and then with guitar or other stuff. I find i need 3 hands. i ususally have to put a long peice of solder in my mouth to do it. surely i'm doing something wrong lol |
| 08:50.07 | beng-nl | :) |
| 08:50.21 | DavidJonesCCF | FWIW Valorie I admire your stance. |
| 08:50.36 | kai | greeniekin: there's a device designed for that |
| 08:50.45 | kai | greeniekin: and I sure hope you're using lead-free solder |
| 08:51.03 | hypatia | funny story... i taught a women-only soldering class at our local hackerspace. it "sold" out (it was free) in 48 hours... but the most interesting thing was that the "open to everyone" class the following week was over 1/2 women as well |
| 08:51.05 | Ophiuchi | greeniekin: the stands with adjustable grips and lens and lighting are great :) |
| 08:51.13 | valorie | not so much a stance as just looking for ideas, you know? |
| 08:51.19 | kai | because sucking on a piece of lead isn't the most healthy thing in the world |
| 08:51.40 | hypatia | mm, wall candy |
| 08:51.40 | valorie | I mean, of course I feel that women are human |
| 08:51.40 | hypatia | is a robot :( |
| 08:51.40 | valorie | pretty sure most of us agree there |
| 08:51.42 | valorie | haha, hypatia |
| 08:51.53 | hypatia | kids. actually a cyborg. |
| 08:52.04 | Ophiuchi | hypatia: I have this theory that soldering electronics is like cross-stitch :-P |
| 08:52.13 | svaksha | valorie: ah, so you are the one ruffling feathers on the mentors list....pleased to meet you ;) |
| 08:52.19 | greeniekin | kai, didn't think of that. i actually usually have the plasic tube in my moth with a long peice pulled out. i don't know if you know the type of container with it coiled in it and a smoll hole to pull it out |
| 08:52.31 | Ophiuchi | meditative exercise unless you prick or burn yourself |
| 08:52.35 | valorie | I stopped now! |
| 08:52.44 | |Kev| | Ophiuchi: Or are bad at it. |
| 08:52.49 | kai | greeniekin: ok, that'll be less bad |
| 08:52.51 | valorie | and i didn't start it |
| 08:52.54 | hypatia | Ophiuchi: i often compare lock-picking to knitting |
| 08:52.55 | greeniekin | Ophiuchi, i'll have to look into a solder thing |
| 08:53.14 | DavidJonesCCF | valorie: ideas, yeah. so based on our experience... be an organisation that doesn't do tradition OpenSource CS tools type things. like us, we do science outreach |
| 08:53.33 | hypatia | DavidJonesCCF: methinks you have it relatively easy :) |
| 08:53.41 | kai | valorie: hehe, I proposed to rename gsoc-mentors to gsoc-flamewar years ago |
| 08:53.46 | Ophiuchi | |Kev|: 'the path is the goal' (poor fried chips :-P ) |
| 08:53.53 | kai | valorie: you definitely didn't start it :) |
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| 08:54.13 | DavidJonesCCF | hypatia: well, we could probably do better. |
| 08:54.19 | valorie | problem is, to fix things, you have to fix culture |
| 08:54.25 | |Kev| | Ophiuchi: Sure, but it's not terribly meditative when you spill solder over a few components :) |
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| 08:54.31 | valorie | but hey, we have to start somewhere, right? |
| 08:54.44 | svaksha | valorie: i dunno much, just picked up the bits and peiced the bytes based on others rants here :) |
| 08:54.45 | valorie | we create our own culture |
| 08:54.45 | kai | I agree |
| 08:54.56 | Ophiuchi | |Kev|: you can mess up a cross stitch project too :) |
| 08:54.57 | svaksha | spelling fail :/ |
| 08:55.01 | valorie | so why not create one we like |
| 08:55.25 | |Kev| | Ophiuchi: I'll stick to mindlessly playing scales :) |
| 08:55.29 | Ophiuchi | IME, saying at the riht time, by the right people, "hey, this is not ok!" goes a long way. |
| 08:55.48 | valorie | for bullying, sure |
| 08:55.59 | hypatia | valorie: i think part of the trickiness of the whole thing is that there are 1) a lot of folks who buy into essentialist crap about women and STEM and 2) many folks really like the whole BOFH culture than happens in foss a lot |
| 08:56.00 | valorie | etc. |
| 08:56.03 | kai | svaksha: to be clear, the jerks on the mailing list I complained about here, valorie clearly wasn't among them |
| 08:56.18 | hypatia | fails at list grammar |
| 08:56.19 | Ophiuchi | NetBSD had it's battles way back when aout gay bashing, not about sexism, but the culture got better for everybody I think. |
| 08:56.20 | svaksha | kai: glad to know :) |
| 08:56.27 | valorie | I understand those things |
| 08:56.33 | thebolt | greeniekin: i usually have soldering iron in one hand, and use other hand for both twezzers to hold omponent (if needed) and solder.. guess it helps being able to hold stuff with all your fingers ;) |
| 08:56.47 | hypatia | valorie: right... but lots of folks don't, or take challenges to 2) as personal slights |
| 08:56.47 | valorie | but to be real, if we want our projects to last and be healthy |
| 08:56.54 | hypatia | oh i agree |
| 08:56.54 | valorie | BOFH culture won't cut it |
| 08:57.00 | gevaerts | thebolt: *two* opposable thumbs per hand? |
| 08:57.11 | |Kev| | Would someone like to define 'BOFH culture'? |
| 08:57.13 | hypatia | there's nothing sustainable about BOFH culture, hehe |
| 08:57.18 | greeniekin | thebolt, that doesn't sound possible. your like a monkey. and you use your feet |
| 08:57.29 | hypatia | |Kev|: bastard operator from hell |
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| 08:57.41 | valorie | now, the BOFH series on The Reg |
| 08:57.44 | valorie | that I do like |
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| 08:57.45 | hypatia | |Kev|: aka people being assholes |
| 08:57.47 | kai | hypatia: no, that's the definition of BOFH, not BOFH culture |
| 08:57.48 | |Kev| | That's defining BOFH (which I know), it doesn't define 'bofh culture' |
| 08:57.52 | hypatia | valorie: hehe, me too |
| 08:57.58 | kai | |Kev|: jinx :) |
| 08:58.05 | valorie | but I wouldn't want to live there |
| 08:58.05 | thebolt | gevaerts: nah, just hold tweezer between little and ring finger |
| 08:58.23 | greeniekin | i don't know what BOFH is. |
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| 08:58.34 | thebolt | and then use thumb+index for solder |
| 08:58.42 | hypatia | RTFM culture, casual sexism/racism, omg no girls on the internet, all that crap |
| 08:58.44 | thebolt | although, i should admit.. thesae days i mostly solder using solder paste and hot air |
| 08:59.09 | |Kev| | hypatia: You're mixing a lot of things in there. |
| 08:59.10 | greeniekin | thebolt, you have very good motor skills |
| 08:59.22 | hypatia | "the community issues in FOSS which suck for a lot of people but tend to disproportionately affect minorities", how bout that? |
| 08:59.26 | hypatia | :) |
| 08:59.26 | kai | greeniekin: http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/index.php |
| 08:59.26 | |Kev| | 'sexism/racism' Sure, bad, few argue. |
| 08:59.41 | hypatia | |Kev|: you'd be surprised :/ |
| 08:59.51 | |Kev| | 'RTFM culture' - you can be an arse about it, but people do need to read or they don't get anywhere. |
| 09:00.04 | gevaerts | hypatia: unless you manage to find lots of dedicated volunteers to answer the same questions over and over again, you won't change the RTFM culture |
| 09:00.13 | hypatia | gevaerts: i disagree |
| 09:00.14 | valorie | today is the 150th anniversary of the Civil War here in the US, and there are LOTS of folks still fighting it |
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| 09:00.24 | valorie | and arguing that the wrong side won |
| 09:00.27 | hypatia | it's an attitude, not the specific fact of pointing someone at the manpage/faq |
| 09:00.30 | kai | I burnt out on a few projects whre I tried to answer the same questions again and again |
| 09:00.49 | hypatia | kai: i'm sure many of us have gone through that, i sure have |
| 09:00.52 | dfighter | I only burnt out on one |
| 09:00.53 | valorie | It does get tiring |
| 09:00.53 | svaksha | adds private/off-list sexism to the current discussion, since that never gets reported if the upstream support and culture isnt welcoming and understanding. |
| 09:00.54 | dfighter | multiple times |
| 09:00.54 | hypatia | that's not what i'm talking about, though |
| 09:00.58 | valorie | but bots help |
| 09:00.58 | dfighter | for the same thing you kai |
| 09:01.08 | |Kev| | hypatia: So say 'being offensive', but don't generalise 'RTFM' as being all-bad. |
| 09:01.12 | dfighter | but hey at least I attained some sarcasm skills |
| 09:01.31 | hypatia | |Kev|: i said RTFM culture. and it's not about "offense", it's about bigotry. |
| 09:01.49 | kai | hypatia: ok, I'm not sure I get that part |
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| 09:01.57 | nickbarnesccf | Did slot allocations happen last night, and if so, where can I see ours? |
| 09:02.08 | |Kev| | Right, but 'RTFM culture' means something to you, it either doesn't mean something, or means something different, to different people. |
| 09:02.17 | hypatia | there;s nothing wrong with pointing someone at the FAQ; what's wrong is to belittle and mock people as you do it |
| 09:02.18 | |Kev| | nickbarnesccf: Not visibly, AFAIK. |
| 09:02.18 | DavidJonesCCF | oh yeah, i was supposed to ask about slot allocations. |
| 09:02.27 | |Kev| | hypatia: Right, that I agree with. |
| 09:02.50 | hypatia | the flipside is that setting up spaces in your community for newbie devs to support eachother can be pretty transformative |
| 09:02.51 | Ophiuchi | DavidJonesCCF: I haven't seen any yet |
| 09:02.54 | gevaerts | nods |
| 09:02.55 | hypatia | !slots |
| 09:02.55 | gsocbot | hypatia: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 09:03.06 | hypatia | for those who were wondering ^^^ |
| 09:03.13 | greeniekin | yah the fraise rtfm should never be used. just say "read the faq" not offensive. may not be helpfull either |
| 09:03.45 | greeniekin | *phraise |
| 09:03.49 | hypatia | phrase |
| 09:03.51 | hypatia | :) |
| 09:03.55 | gevaerts | well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it should *never* be used |
| 09:03.55 | valorie | bots in IRC can save a lot of peace of mind, though |
| 09:03.55 | kai | actually I'm happy if the people who tell me to RTFM tell me WFM to read |
| 09:03.56 | Ophiuchi | greeniekin: I prefer "man <manual>" - because often the problem is -which- fine manual |
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| 09:04.11 | gevaerts | Some people just refuse to read the manual because asking is less work for them |
| 09:04.12 | greeniekin | good point |
| 09:04.20 | gevaerts | explicitely refuse, I mean |
| 09:04.35 | kai | gevaerts: that's what /ignore is for, then |
| 09:04.35 | valorie | writing howtos is useful as well |
| 09:04.44 | svaksha | gevaerts: maybe they dont really understand the cryptic manpage? |
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| 09:05.01 | greeniekin | i agree when they havn't looked it's not very good. Though it's not worth getting worked up about |
| 09:05.18 | gevaerts | svaksha: we have had lots of people tell us that our manual is exceptionally good |
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| 09:05.26 | gevaerts | svaksha: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 09:05.48 | gevaerts | svaksha: and if they say they don't understand it, that's very different |
| 09:05.49 | svaksha | gevaerts: i meant linux in general, not your org specifically :) |
| 09:05.58 | gevaerts | Well, our org isn't related to linux :) |
| 09:06.11 | svaksha | didnt know which org gevaerts represents |
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| 09:06.31 | kai | hypatia: but I guess nobody here disagrees with "read the frigging manual, you noob!" is bad, "it's in the faq, and our wiki has a howto" is ok |
| 09:06.36 | valorie | also, there is this thing, where people who have been around forever, do resent newcomers |
| 09:06.49 | valorie | they want them, but they resent them |
| 09:06.53 | kai | sure. same everywhere :) |
| 09:06.58 | hypatia | kai: seems we're all reasonable folks here, hehe |
| 09:06.59 | svaksha | gevaerts: wow, that is detailed :) and tad sad if people refuse to read |
| 09:07.08 | Ophiuchi | valorie: ah, it's the "middling long" around who do that IME |
| 09:07.22 | MatzeWilkes | valorie: Resent newcomers? |
| 09:07.28 | hypatia | i dunno, it is 5am here and i've been studying algoritms for 4 days straight. i should sleep. |
| 09:07.37 | kai | MatzeWilkes: who are you young upstart, anyway? :) |
| 09:07.40 | hypatia | nite #gsoc. stay awesome. |
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| 09:07.47 | |Kev| | gn |
| 09:07.50 | svaksha | valorie: i agree, i've seen that too |
| 09:07.50 | kai | hypatia: sleep well |
| 09:08.28 | hypatia | oh if anyone hasn't seen it, my friend kirrily's oscon keynote from 2 year's back is pretty rad: http://infotrope.net/2009/07/25/standing-out-in-the-crowd-my-oscon-keynote/ |
| 09:08.39 | Talad|ZzZ | once defined, how are the slots communicated to the organizations? |
| 09:08.58 | hypatia | crosses her fingers that one of her oscon talks gets accepted |
| 09:09.03 | MatzeWilkes | kai: We could ask the bot? |
| 09:09.04 | MatzeWilkes | !whoami |
| 09:09.04 | gsocbot | MatzeWilkes: YoMamma |
| 09:09.04 | hypatia | !slots > Talad |
| 09:09.12 | kai | hypatia: it's | |
| 09:09.19 | hypatia | does > pm? |
| 09:09.19 | kai | I didn't get around to do > yet |
| 09:09.22 | hypatia | ahh |
| 09:09.25 | Talad | !slots |
| 09:09.26 | gsocbot | Talad: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 09:09.37 | Talad | that doesn't answer the question :) |
| 09:09.38 | DavidJonesCCF | isn't this a classic case? |
| 09:09.39 | Talad | I know that already |
| 09:09.43 | hypatia | so it doesn't |
| 09:09.44 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: make it difficult for the newbie to learn/contribute, stealing credit for their ideas/work, stalking women (i've seen this happen to another woman and experienced it too) in different communities, etc.. |
| 09:09.45 | hypatia | :) |
| 09:09.45 | DavidJonesCCF | polite, but it doesn't answer the question. |
| 09:09.52 | hypatia | Talad: i suspect it'll be on the list |
| 09:09.58 | nickbarnesccf | carol mentions gsoc-veterans list set up to help new org admins and mentors. |
| 09:10.12 | hypatia | nickbarnesccf: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gsoc-veterans |
| 09:10.16 | nickbarnesccf | Is it likely to have a higher SNR than gsoc-mentors ? |
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| 09:10.25 | kai | nickbarnesccf: haha, right |
| 09:10.26 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: What project do you work with that I need to make a note to avoid? :) |
| 09:10.28 | hypatia | nickbarnesccf: remains dbd |
| 09:10.28 | kai | :) |
| 09:10.35 | svaksha | was replying to < MatzeWilkes> valorie: Resent newcomers? |
| 09:10.39 | Talad | "I will announce slot allocations tomorrow after the close of business pacific time" |
| 09:10.44 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: why ? |
| 09:10.45 | kai | nickbarnesccf: hard to tell, actually :) |
| 09:10.56 | Talad | that email arrived 11 Apr |
| 09:11.04 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: Because what you just described is disgusting and I don't want to be anywhere near such people? |
| 09:11.05 | Talad | maybe they are just a bit late |
| 09:11.14 | hypatia | Talad: and they are running late... i suspect it'll be tomorrow end of day PST |
| 09:11.20 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: its pretty common in India |
| 09:11.25 | valorie | I've talked to my son about it |
| 09:11.32 | nickbarnesccf | Ah, I've been auto-subscribed. I see. |
| 09:11.40 | kakazza | hypatia, is tomorrow for you 14th or 13th? |
| 09:11.53 | Ivanovic | Talad: end of buisness time of *night clubs* |
| 09:11.55 | DavidJonesCCF | hypatia: what is "dbd"? |
| 09:11.55 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 09:11.57 | hypatia | kakazza: it's 5am here. i'm not even sure what month it is |
| 09:12.00 | valorie | when you battled with the cli, and now people just point and click and it's all so easy, and the new people are just whiney babies, and etc. etc |
| 09:12.07 | hypatia | DavidJonesCCF: me being unable to spell. TBD :) |
| 09:12.09 | kai | Talad: I guess they're late, but I'm intrigued to see how they do it in this year's GUI |
| 09:12.21 | Talad | ok, thanks. |
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| 09:12.27 | kai | hypatia: it's summer semester here |
| 09:12.28 | valorie | svaksha: ^^^ |
| 09:12.38 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: http://svaksha.com/tag/sexism-in-floss |
| 09:12.38 | DavidJonesCCF | hypatia: aha! I know what TBD is. |
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| 09:13.51 | Ophiuchi | valorie: as long as people don't try to take my clis away from me .. ;) |
| 09:14.22 | alokdrocks_ | hi all |
| 09:15.10 | Ophiuchi | the slot count announced one day later won't really make a difference, if only the place we're seated now didn't feel so hot ,-) |
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| 09:15.32 | valorie | of course not, I use the cli too |
| 09:15.36 | valorie | it's a shortcut! |
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| 09:15.57 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: Right. Seriously though, I have never seen behaviour like that and frankly if it's common I can't imagine people would put up with it |
| 09:15.57 | Ophiuchi | (queue "omg will all the really good proposals get a place pleasepleasepleeeeeeze!) :-P |
| 09:16.17 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: yup, they leave. much easier |
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| 09:17.09 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: So, if people like that are kicked out of the community what's the problem? :S |
| 09:17.24 | alokdrocks_ | I have applied for abiword , today i have recieved a mail by gsoc team "send me code segment other work dene" where i send my code segment and proposal details? |
| 09:17.52 | kai | alokdrocks_: probably the abiword people can tell you better than we can |
| 09:17.55 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: you dont have to kick them out expricitly, as valorie said just make life hell that they leave off their own accord |
| 09:18.08 | svaksha | explicitly* |
| 09:18.09 | Ophiuchi | MatzeWilkes: the problem for nicer orgs is that a bad experience early on may 'burn' the people for all open source (and it's not just women) |
| 09:18.40 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: I'm sorry, but no, you have to kick people out explicitly if their behaviour is repugnant. |
| 09:18.52 | kai | so my problem with the whole thread is the following.. |
| 09:19.04 | valorie | I stayed in linuxchix for many years before venturing further into FOSS |
| 09:19.07 | kai | cracking down on bad behaviour, I have no problems with |
| 09:19.07 | Ophiuchi | MatzeWilkes: you got it backwards, the "nice" people give up and go |
| 09:19.34 | MatzeWilkes | ohh, right, makes more sense now |
| 09:19.44 | valorie | because I kept reading about the bad behavior, and i was raising a troubled teen, and didn't have the energy to fight bad behavior everywhere |
| 09:19.49 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: i am no psycologist but maybe also fear of competition that makes peers behave like that? |
| 09:19.55 | MatzeWilkes | Well, screw them then, those projects deserve to fail. |
| 09:19.58 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: how can you kick your peers out :) |
| 09:20.05 | kai | but being told I'm a bad person because I don't go and spend more of my non-existing free time to include people that outer factors exclude, that I find offensive |
| 09:20.12 | valorie | MatzeWilkes: you seriously think bad behaviour gets people kicked out? |
| 09:20.14 | valorie | dream on |
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| 09:20.22 | valorie | unless they actually murder someone |
| 09:20.26 | valorie | and are in prison |
| 09:20.29 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: Easily. If someone's trolling on a mailing list they get a temporary ban or asked to calm down. |
| 09:20.32 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: oh, they do..there is hardly any local community...just fragments and pockets that survive well. |
| 09:20.33 | valorie | and even then, they will have supporters |
| 09:20.46 | svaksha | but on a national level we dont have anything to boast of |
| 09:21.07 | svaksha | valorie: lol |
| 09:21.11 | MatzeWilkes | valorie: As I said. Please tell me what communities you're talking about with these problems so I can avoid them like the plague. |
| 09:21.33 | valorie | I think it's gotten better |
| 09:21.37 | Ophiuchi | kai: heh, no, there's nothing you can do as a campaign anyway. This is no project with a start and a target date. This is 'just' about noticing that someone makes the place unwelcoming, and say something as it occurs |
| 09:21.43 | valorie | but even my son got sick of helping in #linux |
| 09:21.51 | valorie | probably here on freenode |
| 09:21.53 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: and there is a lot of stuff that happens off-list or in private which others may not hear as you cant discuss it on a project list |
| 09:21.55 | valorie | i never went |
| 09:22.23 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: that is easy to miss and harder to prove (for women atleast) |
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| 09:23.47 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: on the assumption that she proves it, who will bell the cat in floss communities where its all about 'freedom' |
| 09:23.47 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: Prove? This is a matter of reporting, surely? |
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| 09:24.09 | valorie | heh |
| 09:24.16 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: true , but what happens after that. does anyone bother to take action? |
| 09:25.02 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: I can't imagine anyone would fail to. It is a simple matter to bad from IRC, remove from mailing lists and suspend commit |
| 09:25.07 | svaksha | there will be endles bike-shedding on what action to take. its far more easy to leave and use floss instead of trying to volunteer your time to be paid with creepiness |
| 09:25.09 | MatzeWilkes | would only take a fe minutes |
| 09:25.28 | svaksha | endless* |
| 09:25.37 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: I'm sorry, but no, this is exactly what I mean. I find it incredible that there are communities like that out there. |
| 09:25.50 | valorie | MatzeWilkes: if only what you say were true everywhere |
| 09:25.59 | valorie | we wouldn't be having this discussion |
| 09:26.00 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: oh, but there are :) |
| 09:26.14 | valorie | IMO, you just choose the best, and try to make that even better |
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| 09:26.32 | svaksha | valorie: yeah, exactly why i keep away from local spaces |
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| 09:26.45 | svaksha | its not worth my time |
| 09:26.46 | valorie | that sucks, svaksha |
| 09:27.11 | valorie | I don't often get into Seattle, but I hear from my fellow Seattle Chix that it is a good place for women in tech |
| 09:27.17 | valorie | which is encouraging |
| 09:27.55 | svaksha | valorie: its possible to survive if you are more involved in international communities directly |
| 09:28.40 | valorie | well, linuxchix gave me a place to live online for many years |
| 09:28.42 | MatzeWilkes | valorie, svaksha: Do you think we should have an explicit complaints policy, or something? |
| 09:28.47 | valorie | it's nice to branch out now |
| 09:28.54 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: who is we? |
| 09:29.04 | valorie | sec |
| 09:29.06 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: Plone, the main org I'm involed in |
| 09:29.22 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: if you mean individual projects , some already do. think debian, ubuntu |
| 09:29.29 | MatzeWilkes | As in, have something on the website about conduct on mailing lists and IRC and an email address to contact confidentially if there's a problem |
| 09:29.33 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: it would be a good idea |
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| 09:30.07 | MatzeWilkes | svaksha: Okay, I'll draft one and send it to the board. Thanks |
| 09:30.13 | svaksha | MatzeWilkes: yw :) |
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| 09:30.57 | hypatia | MatzeWilkes: the ubuntu Code of Conduct and the sample anti-harassment policy on the geekfeminism wiki would both be things to look at as templates |
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| 09:31.10 | hypatia | will pull a link when firefox finishes loading |
| 09:31.34 | hypatia | is terrible at this "sleeping" thing |
| 09:32.01 | svaksha | ties <strike> tucks hypatia into bed |
| 09:32.17 | hypatia | svaksha: <3 |
| 09:33.03 | hypatia | MatzeWilkes: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy obviously it's event-focused, but it might be a good place to start |
| 09:34.11 | rrix | what's sleeping? |
| 09:34.16 | MatzeWilkes | hypatia: Great, thanks. |
| 09:34.36 | dfighter | hmm |
| 09:34.41 | dfighter | I wonder |
| 09:34.51 | dfighter | where does simple teasing end and harrasment begin? |
| 09:34.57 | dfighter | sometimes there is a very fine line |
| 09:34.59 | dfighter | between the two |
| 09:35.13 | hypatia | dfighter: that's what judgement is for. welcome to being an adult :) |
| 09:35.21 | rrix | hypatia: fwiw, when organizing fudcon 2011, we were approached to implement that policy, but Red Hat's lawyers shot it down as a huge legal risk :( |
| 09:35.24 | dfighter | hypatia |
| 09:35.29 | dfighter | my point is more like |
| 09:35.35 | rrix | isn't sure on the exact reason why, but yeah, down in flames |
| 09:35.36 | dfighter | there are people who are way too sensitive |
| 09:35.42 | dfighter | and consider simple jokes to be harrasment |
| 09:35.46 | hypatia | rrix: interesting, given that val worked on it while still at redhat |
| 09:35.57 | hypatia | dfighter: simple jokes /can/ be harassment |
| 09:35.57 | rrix | nods |
| 09:36.05 | svaksha | dfighter: 'simple' isnt a word i'd use in the same sentence with 'harassment' |
| 09:36.12 | rrix | I don't know the full details, unfortunately |
| 09:36.14 | hypatia | so true, svaksha |
| 09:36.19 | DavidJonesCCF | dfighter: in most public forums, it behoves people to be a little less sarcy and teasing and jokey than usual, and to be a little more tolerant than usual. |
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| 09:36.43 | MatzeWilkes | hypatia: Yeah, we've got a female core-contributor that instigated clothes-swapping at the last few conferences, that's the only incident I can think of that this policy would rule-out |
| 09:36.59 | hypatia | MatzeWilkes: i... am not sure what that means, but ok? |
| 09:37.10 | hypatia | i don't think i want to know |
| 09:37.14 | MatzeWilkes | indeed |
| 09:37.14 | dfighter | DavidJonesCCF oh I see, then I definitely have space to improve |
| 09:37.47 | greeniekin | i do get dfighter point. best not to do it on mailing list or project forums at all. if you miss judge the situation. Simply appologise, kiss the first at there feet and take away what you learnt |
| 09:38.01 | DavidJonesCCF | dfighter: well, that's probably up to you really. it's a sort of a version of "be conservative in what you transmit, and liberal in what you accept" but for human I/O. |
| 09:38.07 | valorie | dfighter: you have no idea what those "too sensitive" people have already lived through |
| 09:38.08 | waldi | MatzeWilkes: what do you mean with "clothes-swapping"? |
| 09:38.09 | greeniekin | *dirt at there feet |
| 09:38.21 | dfighter | valorie most of the time I don't even care |
| 09:38.30 | dfighter | valorie but I am always open to self-improvement |
| 09:38.31 | hypatia | greeniekin: one doesn't need to kiss dirt to own up to a mistake |
| 09:38.31 | valorie | blinks |
| 09:38.32 | kakazza | hugs SRabbelier |
| 09:38.37 | kakazza | yay for slots \o/ |
| 09:38.49 | svaksha | Also, many times the victim isnt even aware that certain behaviour is unacceptable and the perceived lack of support may result in silence. |
| 09:38.55 | waldi | rrix: the conclusion for the german chaos communication congress was always: we don't need a policy |
| 09:38.58 | SRabbelier | kakazza: ^___^ |
| 09:39.01 | valorie | but I mean seriously, when you label someone as sensitive -- you |
| 09:39.08 | valorie | bleah |
| 09:39.09 | MatzeWilkes | waldi: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%23pantsswap&hl=en&prmd=ivnsb&source=lnms&tbm=mbl&ei=KW-lTfC2CsX2sgbPid2JCA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=8&ved=0CA0Q_AUoBw&prmdo=1 |
| 09:39.29 | dfighter | valorie tbh if someone is so deeply hurt maybe they need to consider finding a shrink |
| 09:39.38 | valorie | rrix: sleep is a Unix command |
| 09:39.41 | dfighter | and no I don't mean to look insensitive |
| 09:39.45 | svaksha | dfighter: in many cultures the male isnt supposed to say sorry |
| 09:39.50 | svaksha | to a woman |
| 09:39.54 | valorie | dfighter: they may be in therapy |
| 09:39.56 | rrix | valorie: hmmm, am I POSIX compliant? |
| 09:39.59 | valorie | lol |
| 09:39.59 | dfighter | svaksha I know |
| 09:40.04 | greeniekin | hypatia, i know. I just meant it as a joke. and some people consider apologising for something they 'thought' was innocent like kissing dirt |
| 09:40.12 | SRabbelier | MatzeWilkes: the tweeded picture is extremely disturbing :P |
| 09:40.14 | hypatia | greeniekin: ahh, gotcha :) |
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| 09:40.20 | dfighter | valorie then complete it first then get exposed to inputs that might hurt them more |
| 09:40.42 | hypatia | MatzeWilkes: i don't see any problem with consensual pants-swapping |
| 09:40.44 | valorie | that's the thing |
| 09:41.11 | dfighter | svaksha I also know that there are cultures where women are still mostly property |
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| 09:41.12 | valorie | why would attending a conf, being on a list, be a place that would HURT PEOPLE? |
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| 09:41.19 | dfighter | eg: Pakistan, Afghanistan |
| 09:41.23 | hypatia | dfighter: a lot of the time it's not about "deep hurts" - a lot of the time it's also a low-level, constant thing |
| 09:41.24 | DavidJonesCCF | hypatia: nor do i, but i'm aware that some others might. |
| 09:41.24 | svaksha | dfighter: yeah, that too :/ |
| 09:41.28 | dfighter | mostly Taliban vermin infested places |
| 09:41.32 | valorie | we shouldn't have unsafe spaces like that |
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| 09:41.39 | svaksha | dfighter: its common in india too |
| 09:41.49 | hypatia | dfighter: or outright bullshit, like people not ceasing to take photos of you at a con when you ask them to stop |
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| 09:42.03 | valorie | or the groping |
| 09:42.04 | dfighter | hypatia that I can understand |
| 09:42.05 | hypatia | dfighter: or outright sexual assault |
| 09:42.09 | dfighter | but that's different |
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| 09:42.12 | valorie | is it? |
| 09:42.17 | valorie | it's a continuum |
| 09:42.26 | hypatia | yeah, it's not different, that's the thing |
| 09:42.33 | DavidJonesCCF | *is a little bit disappointed by our slot counts* |
| 09:42.46 | hypatia | peeks |
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| 09:43.07 | svaksha | they are out already? |
| 09:43.10 | MatzeWilkes | ooh |
| 09:43.12 | hypatia | svaksha: just posted |
| 09:43.17 | MatzeWilkes | 7 for plone, 2 for cnx |
| 09:43.23 | svaksha | oo :) |
| 09:43.29 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: are you a new org? |
| 09:43.33 | DavidJonesCCF | CCF asked for from 3 to 5. got 2. |
| 09:43.35 | MatzeWilkes | that's our upper and cnx's lower, I think |
| 09:43.38 | DavidJonesCCF | yeah, we're new |
| 09:43.42 | DavidJonesCCF | but we're awesome too! |
| 09:43.45 | greeniekin | I know people argue about double standards alot with this stuff. Even though double standards do exist. If you phrase it as people find different things offensive. You should be able to respect that. Even if you think it's silly |
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| 09:43.48 | MatzeWilkes | we asked 4-7 and got 7. I think CNX wanted 2-4 |
| 09:43.49 | SRabbelier | !slots |
| 09:43.50 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 09:44.01 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: then you you're lucky if you got more than 2 ;) |
| 09:44.06 | hypatia | we asked for 3-4 and got 3. yay! |
| 09:44.15 | rrix | And, as rrix goes to sleep he's distracted by gsoc shinies |
| 09:44.17 | rrix | Drats! |
| 09:44.23 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: we didn't get more than 2. nontheless, duly noted. |
| 09:44.54 | alokdrocks_ | how can i join with #fibercorps |
| 09:45.13 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: in that case, you probably wouldn't have gotten in the program in previous years and are now benefitting from a new "let's try out some new orgs and give them a few slots to prove themselves" trial ;) |
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| 09:45.48 | greeniekin | I don't think rules of conduct need to be sex, or race spacific. be respectful of others, and apologise if you offend someone. that should be enough |
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| 09:46.08 | rrix | "be excellent to eachother" |
| 09:46.13 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: oh you mean are we a new organisation, not are we new to GSoC. As it happens, we're a new organisation too. But we the members are not very new at all. |
| 09:46.15 | dfighter | greeniekin I agree |
| 09:46.17 | valorie | greeniekin: as long as there are sanctions on the creeps |
| 09:46.18 | MatzeWilkes | rrix: Then party on! |
| 09:46.19 | hypatia | greeniekin: they generally aren't, though some do include a "laundry list" |
| 09:46.29 | valorie | but I agree on the sentiment |
| 09:46.32 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: *nod* |
| 09:46.42 | DavidJonesCCF | Srabbelier: we would've have been around in previous years. We're incorporated in 2011-08. |
| 09:46.45 | akashm1990 | are slot allcoations out? |
| 09:46.54 | valorie | Linuxchix has only two rules: be polite, be helpful |
| 09:46.55 | Talad | yes they are |
| 09:46.55 | hypatia | akashm1990: check your dashboard :) |
| 09:46.59 | Talad | in the dashboard |
| 09:47.05 | valorie | they've worked for a long, long time |
| 09:47.15 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: they are |
| 09:47.21 | hypatia | DavidJonesCCF: you incorporated next august? |
| 09:47.24 | hypatia | :) |
| 09:47.25 | Talad | we got 2 slots out of 5 requested |
| 09:47.30 | akashm1990 | Oh, do students have access to this info? |
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| 09:47.33 | Talad | I think it's very low |
| 09:47.34 | hypatia | akashm1990: nope |
| 09:47.35 | SRabbelier | Talad: probably because you're a new org then ;) |
| 09:47.39 | Talad | considering the amount of work we did |
| 09:47.41 | |Kev| | Talad: Are you a new org? |
| 09:47.48 | SRabbelier | !new |
| 09:47.48 | Talad | yes we are |
| 09:48.00 | Talad | but we got 125 proposals |
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| 09:48.05 | SRabbelier | Talad: doesn't matter |
| 09:48.06 | Talad | and dozens of very good ones |
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| 09:48.09 | rrix | mmm, nt as many as we wanted, but oh well |
| 09:48.14 | LetterRip | now i can finally go to sleep :) |
| 09:48.16 | Talad | now how I tell to the students that our org was a bad choice? |
| 09:48.21 | |Kev| | I think !slots has said for a while that new orgs should only expect 2. |
| 09:48.30 | |Kev| | *at most |
| 09:48.37 | rrix | 6 is pretty good since we weren't accepted last year (though the years before we were) |
| 09:48.44 | Talad | well, I will speak with carols |
| 09:48.45 | SRabbelier | !learn new If you are a new organization you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
| 09:48.46 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 09:48.49 | SRabbelier | !learn new as If you are a new organization you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
| 09:48.50 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "new" is If you are a new organization you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
| 09:48.51 | DavidJonesCCF | hypatia. huh. dates. whatever. but no, in 2010-08 really. |
| 09:48.52 | greeniekin | talad. what is your org? |
| 09:48.56 | SRabbelier | !new | Talad |
| 09:48.57 | gsocbot | Talad: "new" is If you are a new organization you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
| 09:48.57 | Talad | I think we need more |
| 09:48.58 | SRabbelier | Talad: don't |
| 09:49.00 | apurvtwr | can students view the slots allocation? |
| 09:49.01 | SRabbelier | Talad: you won't get any |
| 09:49.03 | hypatia | DavidJonesCCF: i figured it was probablt that |
| 09:49.08 | SRabbelier | Talad: might lose some if you're rude ;) |
| 09:49.27 | SRabbelier | apurvtwr: no |
| 09:49.32 | apurvtwr | k |
| 09:49.41 | Talad | why you assume I will be rude? :) |
| 09:50.04 | beng-nl | Talad: if you do 2 successful gsoc projects, that's a great accomplishment already and a LOT of useful work will have been done |
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| 09:50.23 | SRabbelier | Talad: Just a precaution |
| 09:50.25 | LetterRip | Talad if english isn't your first language there might be some slight tone misinterpretation |
| 09:50.54 | Talad | LetterRip: correct, english is not my first language |
| 09:51.17 | DavidJonesCCF | well, now i'm glad i didn't wade through 125 proposals to only get 2 slots. we had 18 proposals. |
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| 09:51.59 | nickbarnesccf | We are of course very grateful to get any support from Google. |
| 09:52.06 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: that's more like it ^^ |
| 09:52.12 | nickbarnesccf | Dreading the winnowing, though. |
| 09:52.27 | DavidJonesCCF | probably not quite as grateful as our students. :) who get the actual money. |
| 09:52.34 | greeniekin | i'm hoping at least 3 for mine. otherwise i can't get a spot |
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| 09:52.53 | DavidJonesCCF | though none of them mentioned the money in the "why" section. there are all such charming pure-hearted angels. |
| 09:53.09 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: I don't know that you were involved in allocations, but thank you at least for the Melange version to deliver them :) |
| 09:53.09 | gevaerts | greeniekin: are you sure? |
| 09:53.21 | nickbarnesccf | Do we go with the best students, whose projects are slightly outside our main focus, or with the students who are going to do most for our existing code base? |
| 09:53.21 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I'm not, just the OSPO tema |
| 09:53.29 | Talad | I will work with the waiting list if that's possible |
| 09:53.34 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: but welcome |
| 09:53.39 | nickbarnesccf | We hoped that by whittling it down to 3 we could get some of each. |
| 09:53.51 | valorie | nickbarnesccf: best to think of your project long-term |
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| 09:53.56 | greeniekin | gevaerts, basically. i know most of the applicants and we have talked and even viewed each others proposals |
| 09:54.03 | valorie | you want people who will stick around and support their code |
| 09:54.12 | DavidJonesCCF | maybe we could try and find some money for the ones we want. |
| 09:54.19 | hypatia | nickbarnesccf: from my experience 2 years ago, i'd go with the students you think are likely to keep contributing in the long term; in the short term, the students who are most likely to finish |
| 09:54.26 | gevaerts | greeniekin: but do you know how those others are valued by the org? |
| 09:54.30 | DavidJonesCCF | valorie: actually... |
| 09:54.36 | valorie | people who blerp code and then leave end up not doing you much good |
| 09:54.42 | nickbarnesccf | valorie: our project is not principally about the code. Our Foundation goal is to "promote the public understanding of climate science" [by various software activities] |
| 09:54.58 | valorie | right, so you want to grow your project |
| 09:55.07 | nickbarnesccf | so I agree that we want students who are going to stick arouund and contribute |
| 09:55.11 | DavidJonesCCF | valorie: we want our students to become energised with a burning desire to promote our goals throughout the known universe on their awesome and excellent travels. |
| 09:55.19 | nickbarnesccf | but there are many ways of contributing which don't involve writing code. |
| 09:55.23 | valorie | sounds wonderful! |
| 09:55.32 | nickbarnesccf | so, argh. |
| 09:55.37 | valorie | sure, but GSoC is pretty much about code |
| 09:55.40 | DavidJonesCCF | wouldn't say growth was particularly a goal. |
| 09:55.44 | valorie | GCI wasn't |
| 09:55.52 | nickbarnesccf | of course, and we need code to be written. |
| 09:55.53 | valorie | which is why I could mentor |
| 09:55.55 | valorie | :-) |
| 09:55.57 | DavidJonesCCF | GCI wasn't about code? interesting. |
| 09:56.04 | DavidJonesCCF | evyerbody needs code to be written. |
| 09:56.18 | valorie | you set the tasks, no matter what they were |
| 09:56.28 | DavidJonesCCF | I only followed GCI from orbit, so i only got a very distant view. |
| 09:56.29 | greeniekin | gevaerts, pretty much. there are other proposals. Though they get a minus for being "gsoc jumpers" or even already being in the community prior to gsoc. Though they are also very technical skilled |
| 09:56.39 | Ivanovic | DavidJonesCCF: it was not focused explicitly on code |
| 09:56.53 | valorie | there was lots of code done, I believe |
| 09:56.55 | Ivanovic | stuff like documentation, testing and the likes was possible, too |
| 09:57.00 | valorie | but a lot of other work too |
| 09:57.08 | Ivanovic | including translations |
| 09:57.09 | svaksha | DavidJonesCCF: GCI was about coding for cotton (tshirt) or chocolate (if you got to attend the mentor summit) :) |
| 09:57.11 | DavidJonesCCF | ivanovic: ah, interesting name then. |
| 09:57.14 | greeniekin | the plus for me is i'm enthousiastic. long time watcher of project and really want to work on the project in future |
| 09:57.40 | DavidJonesCCF | greeniekin: what's a GSoC jumper? |
| 09:58.07 | dis | were this preliminary allocation numbers sent to the mentors mailing list or privatly to each org ? |
| 09:58.22 | waldi | svaksha: yeah. i still have to deliver chocolate at the next mentor summit (lets see if i have time ...) |
| 09:58.23 | DavidJonesCCF | dis: it seems to be on your dashboard on the melange site. |
| 09:58.25 | greeniekin | well it's something i made up. the people that have done 2 gsocs before and each time a deifferent project. so they just jump from one to another |
| 09:58.43 | akashm1990 | greeniekin: Freelance coders? |
| 09:59.04 | DavidJonesCCF | greeniekin: we had one of those. well, someone that had done GSoC once before, on a different project. said student had also applied to another wildly different org. |
| 09:59.09 | svaksha | makes a mental note about waldi being the go-to person for chocolate :P |
| 09:59.14 | greeniekin | akashm1990, no not freelance coders. they are students. |
| 09:59.30 | akashm1990 | yes, I meant something like freelance coders |
| 09:59.38 | |Kev| | FWIW, I *like* 'GSoC Jumpers' |
| 09:59.51 | DavidJonesCCF | kinda interesting. As we were pretty sure the student would complete what they proposed. but not necessarily be the best for our long term goals. |
| 09:59.56 | SRabbelier | waldi: caramel chocolate? ^^ |
| 10:00.02 | |Kev| | I think people getting a taste of contributing to several OSS projects to be beneficial. |
| 10:00.14 | greeniekin | |Kev|, cool. lets make it an official term :P |
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| 10:00.55 | waldi | SRabbelier: nope. i hate caramel |
| 10:01.03 | greeniekin | |Kev|, for the individual yes. Though to the org it is less beneficial. If the person will not continue to contribue to the org |
| 10:01.07 | |Kev| | But then I think it's a great thing when a person is always wanting to learn something new, which is a personality trait. |
| 10:01.13 | svaksha | dark chocolate? |
| 10:01.14 | SRabbelier | waldi: sad |
| 10:01.38 | |Kev| | greeniekin: I don't have any statistics that say that jumpers are less likely to contribute after than other students. |
| 10:02.03 | MatzeWilkes | they're likely to contribute to keeping warm in winter though |
| 10:02.05 | MatzeWilkes | runs |
| 10:02.06 | waldi | SRabbelier: why? |
| 10:02.08 | |Kev| | (Also, if they eventually choose to contribute to *any* project long-term, it seems a net win - although I grant not to the orgs that aren't that one) |
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| 10:03.10 | greeniekin | |Kev|, true i havn't done research on it. The one I spoke to didn't contribute to either project after finishing.(though they are not required to). Though you do get that from an orgs point of view. picking people that are moe likely to continue to contribute is more valuable |
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| 10:03.19 | SRabbelier | waldi: I do like it ^^ |
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| 10:04.06 | greeniekin | |Kev|, i missed your last one when i was typing. ignore my last msg |
| 10:04.07 | |Kev| | greeniekin: Yes, I want contributors long-term. I'm just not convinced that gsoc-jumper is a significant input (until and unless I'm proven wrong by numbers) |
| 10:05.16 | greeniekin | |Kev|, i'm not going to do a study :P |
| 10:05.40 | |Kev| | No, me neither :) |
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| 10:06.27 | nickbarnesccf | gave up chocolate in January and has lost 6 kg. |
| 10:06.56 | DavidJonesCCF | we have a student who is good, but fails the cut for our 2 slots. the proposal could be be done under the aegis of another GSoC organisation (one in particular, not any old one). Is it possible we can offer the student and their proposal to another GSoC org? subject to the other org's approval, natch |
| 10:07.01 | |Kev| | nickbarnesccf: Here, have some of mine. (KGs, not Chocolate) |
| 10:07.01 | waldi | SRabbelier: well. you called me a troll, so you are out of luck right now |
| 10:07.04 | DavidJonesCCF | go nick! |
| 10:07.13 | MatzeWilkes | !fix | DavidJonesCCF |
| 10:07.14 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: "fix" is Send SRabbelier an email from the account you used for GSoC. Include your link_id and your desired status change. His email is his nick at gmail. |
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| 10:08.04 | DavidJonesCCF | cool: so it's possible in principle. I'll start contacting said org. |
| 10:08.23 | SRabbelier | waldi: I did? most curious |
| 10:09.05 | valorie | this is a great channel, I wish I had ventured here earlier |
| 10:09.12 | valorie | but now, good night |
| 10:09.13 | SRabbelier | DavidJonesCCF: yeah, switching a proposal to a different org is more or less the only change we can make to a proposal :) |
| 10:09.16 | greeniekin | night |
| 10:09.32 | |Kev| | night. |
| 10:09.34 | akashm1990 | what happened to socinfo |
| 10:09.42 | |Kev| | akashm1990: Upgraded. |
| 10:09.50 | akashm1990 | new features? |
| 10:09.58 | |Kev| | !yes | akashm1990 |
| 10:09.58 | gsocbot | akashm1990: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
| 10:10.05 | akashm1990 | nice |
| 10:10.07 | |Kev| | That' mainly, I think. |
| 10:10.18 | greeniekin | lol i like that |
| 10:10.39 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: it now also echos back to you what you told it to learn a command as, instead of just saying "The operation succeeded" |
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| 10:10.50 | greeniekin | !no | greeniekin |
| 10:10.51 | gsocbot | greeniekin: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
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| 10:11.29 | greeniekin | i like things that offer me cookies |
| 10:11.53 | DavidJonesCCF | is anyone from R Foundation here? |
| 10:12.04 | greeniekin | R? |
| 10:12.06 | |Kev| | greeniekin: You don't need the pipe if you're requesting for yourself. |
| 10:12.19 | |Kev| | !anyone | DavidJonesCCF |
| 10:12.19 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 10:12.27 | greeniekin | o ok |
| 10:12.50 | kai | whoa. I missed all the fun |
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| 10:13.04 | waldi | kai: sure. where have you been? |
| 10:13.14 | kai | waldi: lunch? |
| 10:13.19 | greeniekin | it used to be called socinfo instead of gsoc bot |
| 10:13.32 | greeniekin | ? |
| 10:13.38 | waldi | kai: overrated |
| 10:13.41 | akashm1990 | yes |
| 10:13.46 | DavidJonesCCF | |Kev|: i'm doing that too! thanks. :) |
| 10:14.22 | greeniekin | probably the name change was due to people thinging it was a person lol |
| 10:14.35 | kai | |Kev|: that and that it repeats the factoid after a !learn |
| 10:14.52 | |Kev| | kai: Yeah, SRabbelier said that earlier :) |
| 10:14.53 | kai | |Kev|: with regards to new features |
| 10:14.55 | kai | ah |
| 10:14.56 | DavidJonesCCF | greeniekin: R is a computer programming language, good for stats. |
| 10:15.07 | greeniekin | o ok |
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| 10:15.16 | msevior_ | hi folks |
| 10:15.21 | greeniekin | so slots for all orgs have been released? |
| 10:15.31 | greeniekin | or is it incremental |
| 10:15.33 | |Kev| | greeniekin: Preliminry slots, yes. |
| 10:15.36 | msevior_ | what are valid values for "tags" the melange web app? |
| 10:15.44 | SRabbelier | is off to uni |
| 10:15.46 | SRabbelier | tata |
| 10:15.51 | Nightrose | tata SRabbelier |
| 10:16.02 | greeniekin | is there a total number of slots for all of gsoc? i would just find it interesting |
| 10:16.11 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Enjoy. |
| 10:16.32 | msevior_ | anyone know why the webapp won't accept: irc://irc.gnome.org#abiword for the IRC URL? |
| 10:16.52 | |Kev| | msevior_: s/#/\// |
| 10:17.37 | DavidJonesCCF | msevior: |Kev| is right. a proper URL should have a / after the .org bit. RFC blah blah blah |
| 10:17.48 | dfighter | sed seems to be incredibly popular in this channel |
| 10:17.52 | DavidJonesCCF | this one is an FAQ since the dawn of time (1993). |
| 10:17.59 | |Kev| | DavidJonesCCF: URI, rather than URL, I think? :) |
| 10:18.22 | |Kev| | dfighter: regexps, rather. |
| 10:18.23 | msevior_ | |Kev| Thanks! |
| 10:18.29 | DavidJonesCCF | |Kev| yeah. like i can be bothered to check. but yeah, sounds plausible. |
| 10:18.38 | waldi | |Kev|: nu URL is correct. URI is a superset |
| 10:18.39 | kai | waldi: I disagree. lunch is where a lot of networking between the groups in the department happens |
| 10:18.51 | |Kev| | waldi: Ok then. |
| 10:19.20 | thiago | checks the ABNF |
| 10:19.23 | kai | weltall: we crowdsource outstanding issues and explore the synergetic effects |
| 10:19.32 | kai | er waldi |
| 10:19.41 | kai | eyes his tab key |
| 10:20.04 | msevior_ | |Kev| Do you know what are valid tags? |
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| 10:20.38 | |Kev| | msevior_: I do not - but it's largely irrelevant to be setting them after student applications have closed. |
| 10:20.39 | waldi | kai: as long a your client does not complete "W: bla" as in warning ... |
| 10:21.19 | thiago | irc://irc.gnome.org#abiword is a valid URI/URL. The slash is not necessary |
| 10:21.48 | |Kev| | thiago: Lots of things that're valid URIs are not accepted by that filed. |
| 10:21.54 | thiago | yep |
| 10:21.55 | |Kev| | *field |
| 10:22.03 | thiago | also, I usually skip the # when writing IRC channel names |
| 10:22.05 | msevior_ | thiago melange disagrees :-) |
| 10:22.06 | |Kev| | It doesn't accept XMPP URIs, for example. |
| 10:22.15 | thiago | the correct thing would be though irc://irc.gnome.org/%23abiword |
| 10:22.24 | thiago | # and %23 are not the same thing |
| 10:22.25 | |Kev| | (Ours is xmpp:jdev@conference.jabber.org?join) |
| 10:22.27 | msevior_ | ah OK will do |
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| 10:22.43 | msevior_ | I'm just trying to stop the the webapp from rejecting my updates |
| 10:22.55 | |Kev| | msevior_: Just empty the field. |
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| 10:23.09 | |Kev| | msevior_: Then it'll repopulate with the old value (unless that's been changed in the last 2 days) |
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| 10:23.49 | DavidJonesCCF | thiago: I am intrigued by your claim. But this is not the channel to carry this on. :) I like reading ABNF. Sadly. |
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| 10:24.11 | msevior_ | Sorry, we could not save your data. Please fix the errors mentioned below. |
| 10:24.24 | msevior_ | Nope it want me to put something in the tags field |
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| 10:24.32 | LetterRip | !statistics |
| 10:24.32 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "statistics" is see !numapps |
| 10:24.43 | LetterRip | !numapps |
| 10:24.43 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 10:24.52 | thiago | DavidJonesCCF: http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.html#sec-A and /msg me if you want to discuss :-) |
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| 10:25.29 | msevior_ | yay! "wordporcessor" made it happy :-) |
| 10:25.39 | msevior_ | yay! "wordprocessor" made it happy :-) |
| 10:25.45 | DavidJonesCCF | wordprocessor might have been better. oh phew! |
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| 10:31.36 | svaksha | SRabbelier: In Melange, I'm unable to view the dashboeard nor submitted proposals. |
| 10:31.58 | svaksha | dashboard |
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| 10:32.14 | DavidJonesCCF | svaksha: I think Srabbelier is Away From Keyboard. |
| 10:32.47 | svaksha | DavidJonesCCF: np, i can wait :) |
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| 10:32.55 | svaksha | spectie: hola |
| 10:33.00 | spectie | hey! |
| 10:33.02 | spectie | hola |
| 10:33.21 | kai | !bugs | svaksha |
| 10:33.21 | gsocbot | svaksha: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 10:33.49 | svaksha | kai: thanks |
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| 10:33.58 | svaksha | spectie: happy with the slot allocation? |
| 10:34.27 | kai | can't complain |
| 10:34.36 | spectie | svaksha, yes |
| 10:34.38 | spectie | :) |
| 10:34.41 | svaksha | heh |
| 10:34.56 | kai | I guess we'll give back slots in the end |
| 10:35.01 | svaksha | kai: yeah, that wont increase the numbers either |
| 10:35.21 | kai | hm? |
| 10:35.39 | svaksha | kai: was responding to 'cant complain' |
| 10:35.47 | kai | oh |
| 10:36.23 | dfighter | gets excited |
| 10:36.48 | dfighter | kai did you mean your "can't complain" statement for the entire umbrella or just the wf projects? |
| 10:38.22 | dfighter | quickly buys some obsolete Obama fliers reading "Hope" |
| 10:38.40 | brik | gives dfighter a patience cookie |
| 10:38.47 | DavidJonesCCF | when an org give some slots back, how do they get reassigned? |
| 10:38.57 | DavidJonesCCF | is there any documentation about it? |
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| 10:39.10 | DavidJonesCCF | in particular, how do they get reassigned... to us! |
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| 10:39.15 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: they go back to the pool, usually |
| 10:39.16 | nickbarnesccf | :-) |
| 10:39.21 | svaksha | SRabbelier: ignore the earlier message -- cleared the cache and restarted FF, all ok. |
| 10:39.32 | dfighter | reassures brik about his epic patience, altough about his curious nature too |
| 10:39.32 | DavidJonesCCF | what is this "pool" of which you speak? |
| 10:39.43 | nickbarnesccf | kai: which means that some organisations will get more slots in future than they have right now. |
| 10:39.51 | brik | dfighter: :) |
| 10:39.56 | nickbarnesccf | how is that decided? |
| 10:40.04 | kai | dfighter: for the record, I'm mentoring multiple orgs, and this was the overall impression |
| 10:40.05 | DavidJonesCCF | we're on the scrounge for slots. Does it show? |
| 10:40.22 | kai | I won't get more specific |
| 10:40.45 | kai | DavidJonesCCF: hardly |
| 10:40.59 | kai | that said, I seem to recall you're a new org to gsoc? |
| 10:41.00 | dfighter | kai no need to, it sounds nice already ;) |
| 10:41.29 | nickbarnesccf | Related: deduplication might mean an org loses one or more students. Presumably they don't lose the slots, and instead get to accept one of their other proposals. |
| 10:41.40 | kai | nickbarnesccf: correct |
| 10:41.44 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: yes, we're a new org to GSoC. all previous comments about newb orgs getting 2 slots duly noted. |
| 10:41.48 | nickbarnesccf | In which case, *How many proposals should we "Accept"?* |
| 10:42.15 | kai | nickbarnesccf: I wouldn't worry about that one until melange starts showing duplication warnins |
| 10:42.19 | kai | *warnings |
| 10:42.36 | nickbarnesccf | OK. 20th? |
| 10:42.40 | nickbarnesccf | !next |
| 10:42.40 | gsocbot | nickbarnesccf: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 10:43.41 | DavidJonesCCF | from Carol's e-mail: "On 20 April I will run our first round of deduplication checks" |
| 10:43.56 | DavidJonesCCF | I think that's what Nick was recalling. |
| 10:44.28 | DavidJonesCCF | we can expect melange to start show duplication warnings on 20th April. presumably. |
| 10:44.44 | nickbarnesccf | or maybe 21st. |
| 10:45.20 | kai | yeah |
| 10:45.26 | nickbarnesccf | Frankly we're not expecting any for our top several students, because (looking at their proposals)they are unlikely to have applied to other orgs. |
| 10:45.59 | ajedwards | if a user shows up as a duplicate are they contacted? |
| 10:46.09 | kai | I've only lost a student or two to other orgs since I started mentoring for gsoc |
| 10:46.10 | ajedwards | or is it decided over their head |
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| 10:46.21 | kai | ajedwards: up to the orgs |
| 10:46.24 | ajedwards | ahh |
| 10:46.37 | kai | it's implicit that you're happy to do any of the proposals you've applied for |
| 10:47.45 | ajedwards | my only point of preference is that from what i've seen - i imagine one will be a much better source for help than another |
| 10:47.57 | kai | some orgs might ask you for your preference, but e.g. if one org has another good student to fill their slot and the other org hasn't, usually that is sufficient to let the org without a suitable replacement end up with the student |
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| 10:49.09 | kai | when I was accepted by two orgs in 2007 they asked me, but there's nothing that forced them to |
| 10:49.17 | ajedwards | i see |
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| 11:02.37 | kai | yo SRabbelier|Lappy |
| 11:03.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: hi |
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| 11:05.22 | thebolt | hi mr SRabbelier|Lappy |
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| 11:10.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thebolt: also hi :P |
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| 11:15.23 | kai | hm, amazing how little water actually comes out of an emergency shower |
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| 11:16.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: emergency shower? |
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| 11:17.06 | bobbens | SRabbelier|Lappy: things in chemistry labs and such that you pull and basically dump an entire bathtub on you |
| 11:17.16 | bobbens | and then flood the lab because they don't ever have proper drainage :P |
| 11:17.24 | kai | yeah, these kind |
| 11:17.39 | kai | *that |
| 11:18.10 | bobbens | I've never activated one |
| 11:18.12 | bobbens | always wanted to |
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| 11:18.48 | kai | the idea is that if you're on fire or soaked yourself in something you really shouldn't have on you, you can get a lot of water to douse it or dilute it quickly |
| 11:19.10 | kai | bobbens: well, it _is_ a big mess because there's no proper drainage |
| 11:19.21 | bobbens | I know :) |
| 11:19.27 | bobbens | they need to call the firefighters to pump it all out |
| 11:19.31 | bobbens | at least at the labs I know |
| 11:19.42 | kai | ah, we do have _some_ drainage |
| 11:19.54 | bobbens | well these labs have completely arcaic systems |
| 11:19.57 | bobbens | was built like 60 years ago :P |
| 11:20.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: so, why did you turn one on exactly? |
| 11:20.45 | kai | well, we just did the annual required check of function |
| 11:21.01 | kai | it's a piece of safety equipment that needs to be tested regularly |
| 11:21.57 | kai | also, I might or might not have made a joke that a co-worker might or might not have found funny and might or might not have caused him to accidently stumble and grab onto the shower handle |
| 11:22.27 | kai | 0:) |
| 11:22.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | laughs |
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| 11:25.43 | kai | anyway, back to work |
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| 12:39.30 | DavidJonesCCF | is it obvious where the log for this channel is? |
| 12:39.39 | DavidJonesCCF | (because I would like to see it) |
| 12:39.50 | |Kev| | !logs |
| 12:39.50 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:40.45 | DavidJonesCCF | that'll be no then. but of course, a link to the logs is really what i was after. thanks |Kev|. |
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| 12:47.40 | cash | Any plans to describe the algorithm for assigning slots on the mentors mailing list? |
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| 12:47.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !slots |
| 12:47.54 | gsocbot | SRabbelier|Lappy: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 12:47.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | cash: there is no algoritghm |
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| 12:48.58 | cash | how come this wasn't publicized (1-2 for new orgs)? |
| 12:49.19 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: I'd say there is one, but it's secret, and it can't be overruled. That should help reduce noise :) |
| 12:49.21 | kai | I think it was |
| 12:49.51 | cash | kai: do you have a link for that? |
| 12:50.10 | kai | cash: not offhand |
| 12:51.01 | DavidJonesCCF | oh. what i was really after was today's log. but i guess taht doesn't appear until tomorrow. |
| 12:51.10 | greeniekin | I don't think there was. the information that was available untill a few days ago was how it worked last year |
| 12:51.22 | DavidJonesCCF | cash: disappointed by your 2 slots allocation too? |
| 12:51.46 | DavidJonesCCF | think of it as USD 10,000 to fund work for your org that wouldn't otherwise have got done. :) |
| 12:51.47 | cash | well, I guess we seriously over-recruited |
| 12:51.49 | greeniekin | wouldn't have mattered unless if we put 3 we might have gotten 3. |
| 12:52.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !slots | cash |
| 12:52.18 | gsocbot | cash: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 12:52.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | err |
| 12:52.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | not the one I meant |
| 12:52.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !new | cash |
| 12:52.29 | gsocbot | cash: "new" is If you are a new organization you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
| 12:52.44 | cash | not complaining |
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| 12:52.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | cash: yay ^^ |
| 12:53.20 | cash | just wish this had been public knowledge on faq |
| 12:53.21 | laserbled | um....just to clarify...when you say new org....is it refering to how old it has been founder or in gsoc ? |
| 12:53.30 | kai | in gsoc |
| 12:53.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !forget new |
| 12:53.40 | gsocbot | SRabbelier|Lappy: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:53.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !learn new If you are a new organization (first time participating in GSoC) you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
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| 12:53.54 | gsocbot | SRabbelier|Lappy: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 12:53.54 | gevaerts | !learn old |
| 12:53.55 | gsocbot | gevaerts: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 12:53.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !learn new as If you are a new organization (first time participating in GSoC) you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
| 12:53.59 | gsocbot | SRabbelier|Lappy: "new" is If you are a new organization (first time participating in GSoC) you will most likely have received 1 or 2 slots. This is part of a trial to get more new organizations into GSoC, and see how they do. Be grateful :) |
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| 12:54.14 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: dude, rtfm! :) |
| 12:54.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: xD |
| 12:54.42 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: I think that sounds quite a bit more condescending. |
| 12:55.05 | greeniekin | I expect my org to be treated as a new org. it's been 5 years since we participated |
| 12:55.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DavidJonesCCF: please improve the wording as you see fit :) |
| 12:55.35 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: And i didn't see anything wrong with the old text... if it aint broke... but anyways |
| 12:56.01 | DavidJonesCCF | oh, Can I go !learn blah blah blah too? |
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| 12:56.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DavidJonesCCF: yeah, anyone can |
| 12:56.24 | DavidJonesCCF | !learn frobnitz as gujoing |
| 12:56.24 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: "frobnitz" is gujoing |
| 12:56.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DavidJonesCCF: all I changed was added (first tiem participating in GSoC) |
| 12:56.45 | DavidJonesCCF | !frobnitz |
| 12:56.45 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: "frobnitz" is gujoing |
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| 12:56.59 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier: oh yeah. I take it all back. |
| 12:57.03 | DavidJonesCCF | !forget frobnitz |
| 12:57.03 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:57.35 | greeniekin | that seems weird that the public can do that |
| 12:57.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | greeniekin: why? :) |
| 12:57.56 | DavidJonesCCF | greeniekin: I guess it's like a wiki. let's not abuse our awesome powers. |
| 12:58.09 | gevaerts | greeniekin: there's quite a lot of monitoring going on in here :) |
| 12:58.09 | greeniekin | I supose thats a good point |
| 12:58.11 | |Kev| | greeniekin: People in gsoc are generally trusted. |
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| 12:59.44 | DavidJonesCCF | !help |
| 12:59.44 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 12:59.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !botabuse | DavidJonesCCF |
| 12:59.58 | gsocbot | DavidJonesCCF: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 13:01.31 | DavidJonesCCF | SRabbelier i was just wondering if i should've / could've done that in a /query . Guess which one of these http://xkcd.com/242/ is me. |
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| 13:03.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | heh |
| 13:03.36 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Hey :) How did melange do in the slot allocations? |
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| 13:04.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: we asked and got 4 |
| 13:04.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: we might give back some of those, not sure yet |
| 13:05.38 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: :) We did 4-7, the 7th is between two people or back into the pool, we'll see |
| 13:05.46 | MatthewWilkes | (Got 7) |
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| 13:06.32 | Nightrose | bites tounge |
| 13:06.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Nightrose: I saw your slots :P |
| 13:06.49 | |Kev| | Nightrose: Whose? :p |
| 13:06.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Nightrose: also, I noticed you asked more or less the same as ASF? |
| 13:06.59 | Nightrose | SRabbelier|Lappy: heh did you also see what we asked for? |
| 13:07.04 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 13:07.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Nightrose: did you two coordinate? ;) |
| 13:07.11 | Nightrose | lol |
| 13:07.11 | Nightrose | no |
| 13:07.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | yes, yes I did |
| 13:07.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | srsly, it's off by 1 |
| 13:07.20 | Nightrose | Oo |
| 13:07.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | same #requested |
| 13:07.22 | Nightrose | scary |
| 13:07.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | KDE asked for 1 more than ASF |
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| 13:07.33 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: I didn't know that "more or less the same as <other org>" was a valid response?> |
| 13:07.45 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Go on, tell me |
| 13:07.54 | Nightrose | SRabbelier|Lappy: did they also get about as much? |
| 13:08.04 | Nightrose | |Kev|: my own... |
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| 13:08.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Nightrose: yeah |
| 13:08.19 | Nightrose | cool |
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| 13:08.47 | Nightrose | it's strange that we have less applications than last year but more acceptable proposals |
| 13:08.53 | Nightrose | makes me happy of course |
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| 13:09.03 | Nightrose | but also means we'll have to say no to more good candidates |
| 13:09.08 | Nightrose | oh well - season of kde... |
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| 13:09.32 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Nuhhhhh! She's ignoring meeee! How many did they ask for? |
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| 13:09.37 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
| 13:09.37 | Nightrose | lol |
| 13:09.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: 3068 |
| 13:09.41 | Nightrose | hugs MatthewWilkes |
| 13:10.01 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: ^ meaning ASF asked for 3067 btw |
| 13:10.02 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 13:10.07 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: No, really :) |
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| 13:14.24 | dberkholz | Nightrose: did you do ok on slots? |
| 13:14.41 | Nightrose | dberkholz: yes but of course less than we'd love to have |
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| 13:14.52 | thebolt | has 8 students working for him, all by himself (and they are not even paid) |
| 13:15.10 | dberkholz | Nightrose: ah, have you figured out your minimum score yet? wonder if it turns out to be at that valley. =P |
| 13:15.17 | Nightrose | thebolt: -.- you're trying to make us jealous? |
| 13:15.29 | Nightrose | dberkholz: hehe no - not checked |
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| 13:16.18 | thebolt | Nightrose: nah, just observing a fact ;) (and no, its not an open project in an way even..) |
| 13:16.44 | kai | dberkholz: not for me, my gnuplot version was too old :) |
| 13:16.48 | Nightrose | thebolt: :D |
| 13:16.50 | gevaerts | thebolt: so *that*'s where all the good students are? :) |
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| 13:17.02 | thebolt | gevaerts: yea ;) |
| 13:17.22 | thebolt | otoh, they are mechanical engineering students, so not sure i am taking from the gsoc pool anyhow ;) |
| 13:17.22 | dberkholz | kai: send over a list of average scores and i can run it for you |
| 13:17.42 | dberkholz | i guess it's more for intellectual curiosity now |
| 13:19.20 | kai | dberkholz: so for WF the average scores were 0.0 :) |
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| 13:30.39 | laserbled | where do we get the student mailinglist archives ? |
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| 13:43.09 | kai | dberkholz: I think for 5 points, that valley isn't too apparent |
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| 13:43.35 | dberkholz | kai: you need to lower the bandwidth (the last number in the 'u' line). factors of 2 seems to work well |
| 13:43.54 | dberkholz | try 0.1 or 0.05 |
| 13:46.04 | kai | dberkholz: actually I haven't run the function, still not available on the gnuplot version I have |
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| 13:46.20 | kai | just looking at the scores visually |
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| 13:47.59 | dberkholz | kai: you can kinda see it if you just plot 'em on a straight line, but it's not as obvious (like the bottom on http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gsoc/2011_gentoo/gentoo_score_breakdown_with_points.png ) |
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| 13:55.47 | DavidJonesCCF | dberkholz: mmm smooth. |
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| 13:57.04 | dberkholz | you can just call me keith stone. |
| 13:57.17 | dberkholz | (for those who haven't seen the commercials, that won't make any sense) |
| 13:59.21 | thebolt | dberkholz: it didn't, no |
| 14:01.25 | DavidJonesCCF | dberkholz: that made no sense. :) |
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| 14:04.29 | kai | dberkholz: actually seems to be the case |
| 14:04.55 | kai | dberkholz: that I picked the only valley we have for our cut-off |
| 14:05.09 | dberkholz | kai: nice work. =) |
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| 14:05.50 | kai | the matlab kernel density function seems to work a bit differently from the gnuplot one (at least with the parameters you set) |
| 14:05.59 | kai | but the trend is clear |
| 14:06.35 | dberkholz | the bandwidth in gnuplot is a little unusual, i think it's half-height instead of 1-sigma height |
| 14:07.16 | kai | but actually a histogram shows the valley just fine |
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| 14:07.36 | dberkholz | the thing with histograms is they work if you're lucky, but you aren't always lucky. |
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| 14:08.21 | kai | yeah, I know :) |
| 14:08.47 | thebolt | dberkholz: well, they always "work" but might not show what you want to show ;) |
| 14:09.00 | DavidJonesCCF | one of CCF's ideas is producing visualisations. bit like that one. |
| 14:10.55 | dberkholz | DavidJonesCCF: i'm happy to custom-design more for you, at my very reasonable consulting rates |
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| 14:11.33 | DavidJonesCCF | berkholz. haha :) thanks for the offer. duly noted. |
| 14:11.43 | beng-nl | dberkholz: http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html :) ? |
| 14:11.51 | dberkholz | at least at the current USD exchange rate |
| 14:12.50 | dberkholz | that's a surprisingly bad pie chart. |
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| 14:15.01 | dberkholz | anyone who does that professionally should know first off that pie charts suck. but if you must use them, 3d screws up your areas and you should order the key by relative size. |
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| 14:20.43 | kai | dberkholz: after reading the article, I'm beginning to think that may be the point |
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| 14:23.51 | leinir | Tehee, 27bslash6 is pretty much made of funny, yeah ;) |
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| 14:24.38 | beng-nl | good heavens those articles have made me laugh |
| 14:24.58 | leinir | *giggles* Yeah, there's quite a few good giggles in there :) |
| 14:24.59 | beng-nl | the 100% "no" piechart in particular.. was extremely therapeutic |
| 14:25.30 | beng-nl | and the spider.. and the party invitation.. so very great. |
| 14:25.42 | beng-nl | ok, a little repetitive after the third or so, but still. |
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| 14:53.06 | laddha_ | yesterday my proposal status was showing pending but today its not showing any status.......what does this mean? had my proposal submitted or not |
| 14:53.40 | dberkholz | !status |
| 14:53.41 | gsocbot | dberkholz: "status" is The status line is no longer visible to students because it's largely useless. Don't worry about it. |
| 14:54.02 | laddha_ | ok |
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| 15:03.11 | downeym | So call me crazy, but with a couple hours I swear I had slots-- |
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| 15:05.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | downeym: what org? |
| 15:06.16 | downeym | OpenMRS ... as we're starting the evaluation process it may not be a big problem, but I swear it was higher this morning. :) |
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| 15:07.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | downeym: it's possible, perhaps one of your mentors/admins made OpenMRS look bad? |
| 15:08.15 | downeym | SRabbelier|Lappy: Could be, although I haven't been trying as hard as I could lately. :) |
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| 15:10.24 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: I sure hope the admin would be told if something like that happened |
| 15:11.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: I'd assume so, but I'm not involved in this process |
| 15:12.48 | downeym | SRabbelier|Lappy: Like I said, it's not a big deal to lose one in my case, but I just want to make sure I'm not chasing a moving target. |
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| 15:14.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | downeym: they are still subject to change, yes, but in the normal case they shouldn't be going down |
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| 15:15.20 | BrettProfitt | Are the logs for this channel available publicly? |
| 15:15.31 | tomprince | !logs | BrettProfitt |
| 15:15.32 | gsocbot | BrettProfitt: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 15:15.35 | BrettProfitt | cheers |
| 15:15.56 | dberkholz | it's a little early for a drink here |
| 15:16.19 | kai | 17:16, good enough |
| 15:16.24 | kai | goes to get a dirnk |
| 15:16.32 | sfb | haha |
| 15:16.33 | kai | and a pack of spelling |
| 15:16.40 | sfb | I'd like a drink about now too. |
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| 15:37.00 | Ophiuchi | late comment to the GSoC Jumpers: I see no problem with students 'trying on' a few projects to find one that really fits. Of course one always hopes to be the org the good ones stick with, but better they do something of use somewhere else than stop contributing entirely |
| 15:37.40 | gevaerts | I think "the good ones" is too simplistic a view :) |
| 15:38.19 | gevaerts | There are so many different styles of community that it's *expected* that some people won't be able to work in yours |
| 15:38.28 | Ophiuchi | gevaerts: those that have the skills the specific org needs. It's not a moral or personal value judgement. |
| 15:38.33 | gevaerts | Regardless of how "good" they are |
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| 15:39.05 | gevaerts | You need the right skills, *and* a style that fits the organisation |
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| 15:39.23 | gevaerts | If you only have one, it better be the style. You can acquire the skills :) |
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| 15:40.21 | DanKluev | Ophiuchi: its common to contribute to many projects at once, so its hard to see why its bad to contribute to different projects via GSoC as well |
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| 15:42.54 | Ophiuchi | gevaerts: you can learn both to some extent if you want to. Getting people to bother to is the art :) |
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| 15:44.59 | gevaerts | Ophiuchi: well, yes, but while it's possible to do something useful without many skills (There are always easy things to do!), it's not really possible to have fun doing things in an organisation where you get annoyed by the style, so it's possible to "grow into" the skillset while having fun, but it may not be possible to grow into the style while having fun (even though in the end you might get used to it and even enjoy it) |
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| 15:50.47 | Ophiuchi | well, at some point the style of the "product" and the style of the community are so interwoven that bothering to be there at all may be a good indication that you may be a fit for the community too. |
| 15:51.32 | kai | whoa |
| 15:51.41 | kai | the celery project is cool bananas |
| 15:51.55 | gevaerts | They're going to influence each other, right |
| 15:52.14 | Ophiuchi | of course that'll be different for "the only open source app that milks cows" than "one of many slightly obscure operating systems" |
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| 15:52.58 | gevaerts | yes, exactly |
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| 15:53.25 | gevaerts | If you need a feature in something, and you expect to need more later on, you'd better learn to deal with the community |
| 15:54.20 | gevaerts | But if you enjoy coding and want to spend your evenings doing it, community comes first I'd say |
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| 15:54.52 | dberkholz | kai: http://code.osuosl.org/projects/pydra/wiki too =) |
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| 15:55.03 | Ophiuchi | not tearing your hair out when you see the existing code might play a role too ,-) |
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| 15:55.26 | gevaerts | What you see isn't a disaster, it's an opportunity for improvement! :) |
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| 15:55.38 | gevaerts | but yes |
| 15:55.45 | Ophiuchi | although, I don't follow that rule myself with IRRtoolset |
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| 15:57.04 | Ophiuchi | if I weren't the laziest semi-competent programmer in existence I'd have rewritten that from scratch ages ago. :-} |
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| 15:57.31 | kai | dberkholz: not having a link to documentation on the landing page probably only qualifies for cool strawberries |
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| 16:14.33 | hofer | hi, any news about slots allocation? |
| 16:14.43 | waldi | out since today. why? |
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| 16:16.19 | solardiz | the orgs' slot allocations are in their Dashboards now, but is there any info on the total number of slots allocated to all orgs? |
| 16:17.07 | hofer | waldi: i was just wondering if the slot information is public, or private to the orgs |
| 16:17.10 | dberkholz | solardiz: there's the original announcement that said they wanted to increase it 25% over last year |
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| 16:17.40 | svaksha | hofer: private to orgs, unless the org admin announces it |
| 16:17.48 | solardiz | dberkholz: thanks. i thought that the specific number might have been disclosed, but i guess it might still be subject to change? |
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| 16:22.08 | DBAlex | Hi |
| 16:23.11 | DBAlex | I just wanted to ask... is it still possible to apply for GSoC? I know the deadline was the 8th, but according to the timeline proposals will be reviewed until April 22nd, so I wanted to ask if it's still possible to apply? |
| 16:23.22 | kai | !no |
| 16:23.22 | gsocbot | kai: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 16:23.23 | svaksha | DBAlex: nope |
| 16:23.34 | DBAlex | are any participating groups still looking for students? |
| 16:23.47 | DBAlex | right |
| 16:23.49 | svaksha | DBAlex: you can always volunteer |
| 16:23.57 | dberkholz | everyone's looking for students, most of them just can't pay you for the privilege |
| 16:24.01 | kai | you can always get involved outside of GSoC |
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| 16:24.05 | DBAlex | so, I can't contact participating groups directly? |
| 16:24.07 | dberkholz | that's fine since many of the mentors volunteer to |
| 16:24.09 | dberkholz | too* |
| 16:24.15 | nickbarnesccf | Trying to find other ways to fund projects which we don't have the slots for. |
| 16:24.26 | DBAlex | ok |
| 16:24.31 | DBAlex | I guess it's a possibility |
| 16:24.34 | gevaerts | DBAlex: you can contact anyone you like, but you *can't* get into gsoc 2011 any more |
| 16:24.42 | DBAlex | right |
| 16:25.07 | dberkholz | DBAlex: there are a few parallel programs you could check out. kde runs a summer program, x.org runs one whenever someone good applies, etc |
| 16:25.07 | DBAlex | I guess because the company still has to contact Google... and the deadline was the 8th... |
| 16:25.18 | kai | DBAlex: but getting involved now is a great way to prepare for gsoc2012 (if there is one) |
| 16:25.21 | DBAlex | I really should have gotten my application in by the 8th! I had it written down and everything >_< |
| 16:25.22 | gevaerts | And of course you can start contributing to open source software any time you like |
| 16:25.39 | DBAlex | see, I graduate this year from university, so I'm really looking for some experience to put on my CV |
| 16:25.44 | DBAlex | I guess volunteering could provide that |
| 16:25.51 | dberkholz | then open-source contributions will look great |
| 16:25.57 | dberkholz | since people can actually look at the code you wrote |
| 16:26.21 | dberkholz | plus it shows your enthusiasm for what you're doing if you're willing to do it for free =) |
| 16:26.27 | DBAlex | dberkholz: ok thanks for the advice, the parallel programs look interesting |
| 16:26.43 | DBAlex | well |
| 16:27.09 | DBAlex | I wasn't planning on doing it for free, however I guess everything has to be done for free now since money is so tight...! |
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| 16:27.26 | DBAlex | I'm surprised companies/groups are even willing to fund GSoC students to be honest |
| 16:27.52 | dberkholz | google funds everybody |
| 16:28.01 | DBAlex | there was a couple of university projects i've applied to with stipends but i've had no response |
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| 16:28.13 | dberkholz | the rest of us just chip in the mentoring time and reap the benefits |
| 16:28.26 | DBAlex | possibly creating some portfolio would be a good start, I guess my CV doesn't really communicate what I can do... |
| 16:29.00 | DBAlex | dberkholz: are you a student? |
| 16:29.07 | DBAlex | or part of the GSoC admin? |
| 16:29.15 | DBAlex | or both (possibly) :P |
| 16:29.53 | dberkholz | DBAlex: i'm an admin for one of the open-source projects that accepts students |
| 16:30.06 | DBAlex | ok, which project ? |
| 16:30.17 | dberkholz | two â gentoo and x.org |
| 16:30.25 | DBAlex | and, do would you like any volunteers ? I have Java/C/C++/Python experience.. |
| 16:30.38 | DBAlex | my C is probably the weakest out of all those |
| 16:30.46 | dberkholz | yep, we always like volunteers =) |
| 16:30.54 | DBAlex | *would you |
| 16:31.02 | DBAlex | ok |
| 16:31.11 | dberkholz | gentoo's a linux distro, so you should make sure it's a good fit for you by trying it out |
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| 16:31.34 | ajedwards | gentoo does require a learning curve for most people, too |
| 16:31.43 | DBAlex | yeah I know what gentoo is... it used to have quite a reputation for being so difficult to install |
| 16:31.46 | solardiz | DBAlex: we also like volunteers ;-) (openwall) |
| 16:31.55 | DBAlex | not sure if that is idiot users or what, i've never tried gentoo... maybe I should :) |
| 16:32.07 | dberkholz | solardiz: oh, i didn't realize that was you. diz short for designer? |
| 16:32.15 | ajedwards | DBAlex, i recommend reading the install document thoroughly... |
| 16:32.26 | nickbarnesccf | For one of our great proposals, which we can't make a slot for, we have found some grant money. But will the student go for it without the GSoC imprimatur? We'll have to see. |
| 16:32.38 | DBAlex | ok |
| 16:32.50 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: is this slot still open ? |
| 16:33.04 | DBAlex | (this project I mean :) ) |
| 16:33.09 | solardiz | dberkholz: yes |
| 16:33.28 | DBAlex | solardiz: ok, openwall... I've heard of it, never used it though :) |
| 16:33.33 | ajedwards | nickbarnesccf, you could throw in a t-shirt, seal the deal |
| 16:33.38 | DBAlex | ajedwards: ok :) |
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| 16:33.43 | solardiz | DBAlex: we have several projects actually, not just the distro |
| 16:34.00 | DBAlex | ok |
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| 16:34.32 | nickbarnesccf | ajedwards: we have CCF mugs. And she's welcome to my mentorT-shirt if that would help.... |
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| 16:35.22 | nickbarnesccf | DBAlex: we have far too many good proposals, and not enough slots. We're trying to find a way to get the proposals done. |
| 16:35.39 | nickbarnesccf | DBAlex: who are you, anyway? |
| 16:35.48 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: ok, no problem :) |
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| 16:36.18 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: A soon to be graduating Computer Science student who missed the April 8th deadline because I don't read notes i've left for myself... ;) |
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| 16:37.19 | dberkholz | solardiz: we've got a solar who's one of our security/infra guys, every time i see your nick it throws me off a little |
| 16:37.40 | solardiz | dberkholz: yeah, i'm aware of "your" solar too |
| 16:37.41 | nickbarnesccf | DBAlex: better luck next year! If you didn't get a proposal in before last Friday, you *will not* be funded. |
| 16:38.07 | DBAlex | Yup |
| 16:38.38 | chx | so how do we mark the proposals now? |
| 16:38.38 | DBAlex | I've missed GSoC application deadlines for 2 years, I'm not really sure if I should be admitting that! |
| 16:38.47 | nickbarnesccf | DBAlex: although if you want to come and save the world for free, drop by the Climate Code Foundation and hack away. We're trying to get academic grant funding for a cool crowd-sourced sea-ice project. |
| 16:38.56 | DBAlex | admittedly I have a lot of coursework deadlines near the GSoC deadline, but I should be more organised !! |
| 16:38.58 | chx | mark accept? |
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| 16:39.38 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: cool... crowd-sourced sea-ice? |
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| 16:40.21 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: by the way, are you in the UK or US? |
| 16:40.27 | nickbarnesccf | sea-ice in the arctic. It moves. You can watch it move on MODIS satellite pictures. Crowd-source movement, do science, raise awareness of climate science. |
| 16:40.31 | nickbarnesccf | we're in the UK. |
| 16:40.34 | DBAlex | http://climatecode.org/contact/ |
| 16:40.40 | DBAlex | actually, I just found your page :) |
| 16:40.42 | nickbarnesccf | yes. |
| 16:40.50 | DBAlex | cool, me too :) |
| 16:41.31 | DBAlex | so, is the academic funding from a university or some external funding source? |
| 16:41.46 | nickbarnesccf | there isn't any yet. Would be university. |
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| 16:41.57 | DBAlex | ok |
| 16:42.02 | solardiz | nickbarnesccf: are you going to inform google that you'd like more slots (e.g., if some org returns some to the pool)? |
| 16:42.16 | nickbarnesccf | so we had this idea for crowd-sourced sea-ice drift science, and got a fairly good proposal, and now we're trying to fit 5+ students into a 2-slot pot. |
| 16:42.27 | chx | SRabbelier: everything i see is "pending" on the dashboard :( |
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| 16:42.43 | DBAlex | ok |
| 16:42.53 | nickbarnesccf | I'm chatting with the Galaxy Zoo people (very cool indeed) and they might be able to put together an academic grant proposal to do it. |
| 16:42.59 | DBAlex | can I be extremely nosy and ask if they are CS students? |
| 16:43.03 | DBAlex | and if so, what year of study... |
| 16:43.17 | nickbarnesccf | the 5+ ? No, I can't reveal that. |
| 16:43.23 | DBAlex | ok |
| 16:43.31 | nickbarnesccf | We got 18 proposals, and I can tell you how they are distributed. |
| 16:43.40 | DBAlex | I'm guessing people from all types of field apply for GSoC |
| 16:43.44 | AmineKhaldi | hello folks |
| 16:43.56 | DBAlex | but I always assumed a large proportion were CS students |
| 16:43.58 | AmineKhaldi | anything new on the co-mentors option in melange ? |
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| 16:44.09 | solardiz | nickbarnesccf: are you a new org with gsoc this year? |
| 16:44.21 | dberkholz | AmineKhaldi: as far as new stuff, i normally keep my eyes on the changelog emails ... |
| 16:44.46 | nickbarnesccf | yes. |
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| 16:45.07 | nickbarnesccf | which is why we got 2 slots, I know. And we're grateful for whatever we get. |
| 16:45.07 | hofer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.17 | dberkholz | solardiz: is this your first year too? |
| 16:45.21 | solardiz | nickbarnesccf: how many ideas did you have listed? |
| 16:45.32 | solardiz | dberkholz: yes, and we're similarly unhappy about the slots |
| 16:45.34 | nickbarnesccf | Ideas? About a dozen I guess. I could check. |
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| 16:45.43 | solardiz | dberkholz: rejecting over 90% of students is not nice |
| 16:45.48 | Michitux | AmineKhaldi: at least my information (from here) is that we will be able to assign co-mentors when proposals are transformed into projects which will happen when students are accepted/announced |
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| 16:45.58 | nickbarnesccf | I think it's probably sensible on Google's part. |
| 16:46.05 | BrettProfitt | First year here: 8 ideas, 57 applicants, 6 mentors, 2 slots. |
| 16:46.10 | dberkholz | solardiz: cool, it's great to see you here. and yeah, new orgs always get a couple, or less slots. |
| 16:46.27 | dberkholz | by you i mean openwall, really, although of course it's also great that you personally are here. |
| 16:46.28 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: just found this: http://mailman.climatecode.org/pipermail/gsoc-2011/2011-March/000061.html so, could you use something like Google Earth for this? |
| 16:46.42 | solardiz | dberkholz: it was different when the gsoc program was new. i was not quite aware of it becoming a hard limit. |
| 16:46.48 | chx | guys, really, this is very important is it just me who does not see 'accepted' on his dashboard???? |
| 16:46.50 | DBAlex | wonders if Google Earth has an API that lets you place your own objects...? |
| 16:46.56 | chx | do i need to add a column i missed? |
| 16:46.58 | chx | or what's going on |
| 16:47.04 | dberkholz | gotta prove you can pull it off with a small number so they don't blow like $30K on an org that just fails |
| 16:47.11 | chx | i really, really, really would like to see that i accepted the correct applications. |
| 16:47.15 | AmineKhaldi | Michitux: hmm, I see, thanks |
| 16:47.17 | DBAlex | Yes!: http://code.google.com/apis/earth/ |
| 16:47.19 | DBAlex | :) |
| 16:47.25 | nickbarnesccf | student breakdown by level of study: 5 doctoral, 3 masters, 5 undergrad, 5 I didn't bother to look because they were timewasters. |
| 16:47.26 | BrettProfitt | dberkholz: Makes sense. Would be awesome to have that in a faq for new orgs |
| 16:47.29 | solardiz | dberkholz: of course, it makes sense. but it's also unfair to students who choose to only apply to a new org. |
| 16:47.32 | ajedwards | statistically the students who apply to new orgs are at a loss - perhaps next year it would be wise to advise them of this CLEARLY? |
| 16:47.48 | nickbarnesccf | roughly half-and-half studying science versus CS/SE/IT. |
| 16:47.59 | dberkholz | BrettProfitt: a few of us wrote about it in http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html â planning to get that into the mentor/admin handbook soonish |
| 16:47.59 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: ok |
| 16:47.59 | BrettProfitt | For the record, many of our students applied to multiple orgs, so I don't think they're at a distinct disadvantage by appllying to us |
| 16:48.04 | solardiz | ajedwards: if we knew of a hard limit like this, we'd list fewer ideas |
| 16:48.05 | dberkholz | in time for next year, anyway |
| 16:48.13 | ajedwards | solardiz, fair enough.. |
| 16:48.15 | BrettProfitt | dberkholz: That'd be great :) |
| 16:48.16 | nickbarnesccf | But we are very unusual because of our science focus. |
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| 16:48.37 | ajedwards | some students may have thrown eggs in one basket when it came time to submit their best application though, i imagine |
| 16:48.37 | Triskelios | we also received two slots as a new org, may sponsor additional students independently because we have a number of very strong applications |
| 16:48.41 | chx | knock, knock is this on? |
| 16:48.59 | nickbarnesccf | Could use Google Earth but I think that's overkill. |
| 16:49.04 | beng-nl | hi chx |
| 16:49.08 | SRabbelier | is back |
| 16:49.12 | chx | YAY! |
| 16:49.16 | ajedwards | \o evening SRabbelier |
| 16:49.17 | nickbarnesccf | Look at Galaxy Zoo or OldWeather. Those are model projects for that sea-ice thing. |
| 16:49.19 | dberkholz | it is hard to get things figured out your first year in gsoc |
| 16:49.21 | chx | SRabbelier: everything i see is "pending" on the dashboard :( i can't see accepted. |
| 16:49.27 | SRabbelier | did Melange die yet? |
| 16:49.35 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, is it supposed to? |
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| 16:49.41 | SRabbelier | chx: expected behavior, the status shouldn't have changed to begin with |
| 16:49.50 | DBAlex | nickbarnesccf: ok |
| 16:49.51 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: it's kidn of expected behavior |
| 16:49.51 | BrettProfitt | dberkholz: It's hard, but I think a chunk of that is because of the scattered information available |
| 16:49.53 | chx | SRabbelier: i am very anxious to see i accepted the correct proposals , is there a way ? |
| 16:50.05 | SRabbelier | chx: I'll add that today when I add bulk accept/reject |
| 16:50.10 | chx | yay! |
| 16:50.14 | chx | SRabbelier: <3 you |
| 16:50.20 | BrettProfitt | I've felt that there are 10 different places to check things, and sometimes they have conflicting info |
| 16:50.20 | nickbarnesccf | solardiz: our ideas page wasn't very good. We will put more work into it next year. Some of our good proposals followed our suggestion and went off-piste. |
| 16:50.25 | chx | SRabbelier: i guess i made my life harder by going one-by-one :) |
| 16:50.31 | SRabbelier | chx: you're welcome :) |
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| 16:51.04 | ajedwards | i had a friend like that once... kept going off piste... |
| 16:51.07 | ajedwards | jokes |
| 16:51.12 | nickbarnesccf | :-) |
| 16:51.54 | nickbarnesccf | A particular problem with our ideas page this year, or maybe more exactly with some of our students, was that it didn't say anything about the size of the different ideas. |
| 16:52.04 | nickbarnesccf | Some of them are about a week's work, probably. |
| 16:52.06 | dberkholz | BrettProfitt: some is scattered, and some seems to be implicit and/or nonexistent in any written form. keep track of what confuses you and we can add it to the docs =) |
| 16:52.26 | nickbarnesccf | We were expecting students to figure that out and bolt several related ones together to make a proposal. |
| 16:52.29 | nickbarnesccf | Some of them did. |
| 16:52.32 | dberkholz | BrettProfitt: best people to write a guide for new orgs are new orgs. i don't remember all the things that were confusing back then |
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| 16:53.09 | BrettProfitt | dberkholz: We've started this already :) Thanks for the info |
| 16:53.33 | nickbarnesccf | After some timewasters I had to fix up the ideas page to make it clearer. |
| 16:53.49 | nickbarnesccf | We still got some silliness. |
| 16:54.14 | ajedwards | one thing i would say for next year (as a first time hopeful student) is that it's not clear that orgs are listing ideas before the list of accepted orgs are announced, perhaps a little note saying "it's never too early to dig in and start!" would help newcomers? |
| 16:54.25 | DBAlex | brb |
| 16:54.27 | solardiz | how many slots can a second-year org get, assuming success during the first year? |
| 16:55.09 | ananos | hi guys, What does the ignored status mean for an application ? |
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| 16:55.22 | ajedwards | ananos, means the application was ignored by the organisation entirely |
| 16:55.24 | |Kev| | ananos: It means the org marked it as spam/inelligible |
| 16:55.31 | hofer | when a mentor accepts a student, can the student see it? Or is this still private to the organizations? |
| 16:55.31 | ajedwards | normally an indication of "missing the mark" |
| 16:55.54 | dberkholz | solardiz: speaking as a non-google person, i'd say that if you did well with 2, i could imagine you bumping up to 4-6, probably not 10 though. |
| 16:56.26 | solardiz | dberkholz: thanks. is this based on some recent statistics? |
| 16:56.30 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, why do some people seem to have status' again? bug? |
| 16:56.35 | ananos | ok thanx |
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| 16:57.04 | solardiz | i heard of new orgs getting 10 slots right away some years back, but clearly this has changed |
| 16:57.15 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: que? |
| 16:57.19 | dberkholz | solardiz: nope, just pure speculation â i could be totally wrong. i've never run the stats on that, but it could be interesting. |
| 16:57.33 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, ananos' status query... |
| 16:57.35 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: they can see only if their proposal is ignored/withdrawn |
| 16:57.37 | dberkholz | that's about what sounds reasonable to me. scaling up gradually |
| 16:57.39 | ajedwards | oh right |
| 16:57.43 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: that's intentional, since they should be ab le to dispute it |
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| 16:58.07 | ajedwards | ahh! |
| 16:58.09 | dberkholz | 2 in year 1, maybe 6 in year 2, maybe 10-12 in year 3. if you ever get more than that, you're doing well enough that you don't need to listen to my hot air anymore |
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| 16:58.39 | BrettProfitt | Are there stats for org turn over? |
| 16:58.41 | |Kev| | Hey carols. |
| 16:58.43 | dberkholz | but the person you could get some real answers from finally arrived. =P |
| 16:58.45 | |Kev| | Thanks very much for the slots. |
| 16:58.47 | carols | hi |Kev| |
| 16:58.52 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 16:59.01 | dberkholz | yeah, same for me carols =) |
| 16:59.07 | carols | you're welcome dberkholz |
| 16:59.17 | carols | do good things with them :-) |
| 16:59.18 | dberkholz | carols: i think that's 2 beers i owe you now |
| 16:59.24 | gevaerts | gives carols some chocolate |
| 16:59.25 | BrettProfitt | Without sounding all "me too," me too, carols |
| 16:59.29 | carols | dberkholz: or one bottle of scotch would do too. |
| 16:59.33 | solardiz | hi carols, and thanks |
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| 16:59.41 | carols | everyone: you're welcome. :-) |
| 16:59.49 | carols | serves some tea and cookies |
| 17:00.20 | ajedwards | mmm cookies |
| 17:00.27 | gevaerts | Yay, tea! |
| 17:00.40 | ajedwards | is it too early for a wee dram? (6pm..) |
| 17:00.48 | dberkholz | carols: so a few people have been asking about how fast returning orgs can "grow". if you were in last year, got 2 slots, and did well, is there a limit to how many you could get this year? |
| 17:01.07 | ajedwards | is it ever too early for single malt, infact |
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| 17:01.45 | carols | dberkholz: nope. i went by the min/max numbers i was given by everyone this year. |
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| 17:02.49 | gevaerts | carols: you mean we *could* have asked for 78 slots? |
| 17:03.08 | |Kev| | gevaerts: You could have *asked* :) |
| 17:03.10 | svaksha | heh |
| 17:03.11 | BrettProfitt | carols: Is that excluding first year orgs (who I understand were limited to 2 slots?) |
| 17:03.11 | carols | gevaerts: sure. a few orgs asked for ~80 slots. |
| 17:03.16 | nickbarnesccf | ajedwards: my single-malt shelf is waiting patiently for easter. |
| 17:03.22 | carols | BrettProfitt: indeed. |
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| 17:03.29 | BrettProfitt | Right on. |
| 17:03.33 | gevaerts | Maybe we should have :) |
| 17:03.49 | brik | carols: what's the max amount of slots you gave you then? |
| 17:03.56 | gevaerts | is sure that carols would have noticed that we don't have enough students for that :) |
| 17:03.58 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: they didn't get 80 ;) |
| 17:04.08 | carols | brik: the max slots i gave me? i dont understand the question. |
| 17:04.17 | brik | sorry you gave out* |
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| 17:04.36 | brik | what's the biggest number of slots an org got |
| 17:04.42 | cryos | didn't realize there was a hard limit on first year orgs. Must have missed that. |
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| 17:04.48 | cryos | I am guessing it was KDE? |
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| 17:05.46 | dberkholz | look at the huge umbrellas. kde, python, apache, etc. |
| 17:05.54 | solardiz | carols: a problem with new orgs limited to 2 slots is that students applying to new orgs (only) are at a disadvantage. we'd be rejecting more than 90% of them, which is way over the program's average (as i understand) |
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| 17:06.41 | carols | solardiz: im ok with that. if you're new i want to make sure that you're going to do a good job with those students and number of proposals received has no bearing on how you're going to perform with those students this summer. |
| 17:07.06 | ajedwards | nickbarnesccf, I bet Easter can't come soon enough for you then! ;) |
| 17:07.07 | solardiz | carols: we also wanted to act as an umbrella org for one relevant project (using 1 slot for that), but doing it with only 2 slots total is difficult |
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| 17:07.28 | carols | solardiz: email me and we'll see what we can work out. |
| 17:07.37 | nickbarnesccf | ajedwards: there is a certain yearning. Caffeine too. I feel much healthier, though. |
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| 17:07.59 | solardiz | carols: sure, i understand your rationale for having the limit. i only wish we were better informed. |
| 17:08.11 | solardiz | carols: we would have listed fewer ideas then |
| 17:08.52 | cryos | There is a lot going on, and a tight timeline. It is always tough when you have great applications too. |
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| 17:09.24 | cryos | I think we would have still listed the same number of ideas to give students choice, I would have agonized less over the numbers I put in though ;-) |
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| 17:10.22 | dberkholz | cryos: what org is your stuff under? |
| 17:10.43 | dberkholz | vtk? |
| 17:10.44 | cryos | dberkholz: VTK, which is a new org. Previous years I had taken part (as student and mentor) in KDE. |
| 17:10.49 | Nightrose | cryos: why don't you do something like season of kde? |
| 17:10.55 | Nightrose | i'm sure kitware can give out some swag? |
| 17:11.04 | cryos | Nightrose: I am certainly going to be suggesting it. |
| 17:11.13 | cryos | My thoughts exactly. |
| 17:11.21 | Nightrose | cryos: ok - let me know if you need some tips later |
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| 17:11.49 | cryos | Nightrose: Will do, I am still on the KDE lists too, and will help out where I can there too. |
| 17:11.51 | dberkholz | cryos: anybody apply for the chemistry stuff? |
| 17:11.55 | cryos | We are excited to be taking part. |
| 17:12.00 | Nightrose | cryos: \o/ |
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| 17:12.11 | cryos | dberkholz: Yes - I got some really great applications. |
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| 17:12.20 | dberkholz | Nightrose: that looks a little bit like you're holding your head in your hands. what is it supposed to be? |
| 17:12.21 | cryos | Another tough one, as I knew at most I could take one of them. |
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| 17:12.57 | Nightrose | dberkholz: lol - raising arms in excitement of course |
| 17:12.58 | dberkholz | oh, wait, i think i get it. still a decapitated person, but with the arms up instead of down. |
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| 17:13.00 | solardiz | is anyone aware of an FPGA related project being done under GSoC in the past? |
| 17:13.09 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: it's like, \o/ - "WOOOOOOO!" |
| 17:13.16 | Nightrose | dberkholz: there is also /o\ |
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| 17:13.24 | Nightrose | for all the doh! moment |
| 17:13.25 | Nightrose | s |
| 17:13.29 | lars_kurth | Do students see the "IGNORE" and "ACCEPT" status at this stage? I thought they didn't (I marked proposals that had no chance of winning as IGNORE) and am now inundated by students who are asking for clarification |
| 17:13.39 | cryos | We had also hoped to possibly foster a CMake one, that was more CMake for VTK, KDE, etc. In the end we didn't get anything in but would love to be able to do that in the future. CMake isn't as glamorous as KDE or VTK though (infrastructure, build systems, etc). |
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| 17:13.54 | chx | lars_kurth: i do not think so... |
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| 17:14.25 | lars_kurth | Maybe that is a buf then? |
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| 17:14.28 | lars_kurth | bug |
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| 17:14.35 | Michitux | lars_kurth: afaik the ignore status is supposed to be visible, the accepted not |
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| 17:14.45 | lars_kurth | OK: thanks |
| 17:14.54 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: only ignore |
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| 17:15.06 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: so that they can appeal in case of a mistake |
| 17:15.11 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: accept is private |
| 17:15.24 | solardiz | a student told us it's the first time they see an FPGA project idea listed on GSoC (about one of our ideas), so i was wondering if this was the case or not |
| 17:15.32 | cryos | We mainly used that field for duplicates. |
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| 17:16.19 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: oh, so there's not a "hide this because there's no chance i'd accept it, even though it isn't spam" |
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| 17:17.00 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ehm, no, I suppose not |
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| 17:17.10 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: give it 1 star? :P |
| 17:17.21 | cryos | That would be a useful addition. I used 1 star ratings to denote that. |
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| 17:17.23 | lars_kurth | SRabbelier: thanks. Do they appeal to us, or google? We had 30 applications, many of them good and excellent. In some cases we had 5 students per project. So necessarily some will be disappointed because they made good applications. Is in this case the convention keep proposals as unnrated or is it OK to mark them as "IGNORE" |
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| 17:17.44 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: you |
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| 17:17.56 | dberkholz | the main annoying one is proposals for the same idea that clog up our listing |
| 17:18.00 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: soryr |
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| 17:18.02 | SRabbelier | let me clarify |
| 17:18.04 | dberkholz | we want to remove all but the first-place idea |
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| 17:18.15 | SRabbelier | I meant "appeal" as in "Hey, you guys marked my proposal as ignored, but it isn't spam, because ..." |
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| 17:18.33 | dberkholz | 1-star doesn't work for that, but ignore apparently gives premature notification that they're rejected |
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| 17:19.02 | dberkholz | so we just make the list manually now, externally |
| 17:19.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: what you could do |
| 17:19.20 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I'm also adding custom columns today |
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| 17:19.24 | lars_kurth | SRabbelier: so should I only use "IGNORE" for spam proposals? |
| 17:19.26 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: is add a custom 'rejected' column? |
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| 17:19.42 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: yeah, spam, and otherwise "doesnt' make the cut by a long shot" proposals |
| 17:19.50 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i don't remember if i've filed an issue for this, but what i want is a way to create mutex groups |
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| 17:19.55 | lars_kurth | OK |
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| 17:20.03 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you want WHAT? |
| 17:20.18 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: would you like a partial implementation of common lisp with that? :P |
| 17:20.20 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: a group of proposals from which only the top idea will be shown/selected |
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| 17:21.09 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: for umbrella? |
| 17:21.24 | dberkholz | say we get 20 applications. 13 for idea #1, 5 for idea #2, 2 for idea #3. that's really only 3 slots worth of stuff, but the rankings can't reflect that properly |
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| 17:21.50 | dberkholz | i want a dashboard view that shows me the top score for idea #1, #2, and #3 but nothing else |
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| 17:22.36 | dberkholz | not just for umbrella, this is relevant to every org |
| 17:22.37 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: why not just filter on "idea-1" in the "idea" extra column |
| 17:22.40 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and do it per idea? |
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| 17:22.46 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that way you get an overview of all the proposals for "idea-1" |
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| 17:22.59 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: (just in case there's an almost-tie that you'd want to investigate) |
| 17:23.03 | dberkholz | sure, if you want to do that filter 20- or 30-something times that's fine. and obviously with CSV export it works alright with an idea field |
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| 17:25.18 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hm |
| 17:25.32 | dberkholz | we'd just do a two-column sort on the CSV and pick the top from each group |
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| 17:26.00 | dberkholz | it would be helpful to do that in the webapp, but it's no longer a huge pain to do externally once we have custom fields |
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| 17:27.11 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: would having two-column sort be enough? |
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| 17:27.27 | dberkholz | that would be a really good start |
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| 17:36.57 | downeym | carols: If we need to return a slot or 2, what's the way to do that? |
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| 17:37.17 | bitner | downeym: I'll take them ;-) |
| 17:37.24 | carols | downeym: there's going to be a button SRabbelier is implementing for trades, but it's not there yet so you can email me if its urgent |
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| 17:38.06 | downeym | carols: Nothing urgent because I'm not sure yet. :) Thanks. |
| 17:38.25 | carols | downeym: yw |
| 17:38.33 | downeym | bitner: Hey. Long time no see. |
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| 17:38.51 | bitner | hey hey |
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| 17:43.27 | bitner | ready for a nap today |
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| 17:46.54 | gevaerts | wonders if BrettProfitt should get a ban until this is resolved |
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| 17:47.40 | carols | gevaerts: i heard ban. what's up? |
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| 17:47.45 | sfb | That |
| 17:48.07 | gevaerts | carols: well, just BrettProfitt's irc client not being able to make up its mind |
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| 17:48.17 | carols | i see |
| 17:48.20 | gevaerts | It can be /ignored of course |
| 17:48.37 | bitner | the joys of turning off those notices |
| 17:48.39 | ajedwards | it is seriously irritating, he may say something of interest in future... |
| 17:49.02 | gevaerts | ajedwards: he wouldn't get a permanent ban |
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| 17:49.12 | gevaerts | And I can live with no ban at all |
| 17:49.14 | ajedwards | i meant /ignore gevaerts |
| 17:49.22 | gevaerts | But it's sometimes done |
| 17:49.27 | gevaerts | glares at ajedwards |
| 17:49.52 | ajedwards | why glare? i meant /ignore on brettprofitt, gevaerts, just forgot my punctuation |
| 17:50.01 | brik | the day of miscommunication |
| 17:50.11 | ajedwards | a ban seems reasonable as he is possibly afk.. |
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| 17:50.19 | gevaerts | ajedwards: yes, sure! |
| 17:50.29 | gevaerts | doesn't believe a word! :) |
| 17:50.37 | ajedwards | ehehehe |
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| 17:52.59 | vegard | +1 for ban |
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| 17:53.12 | carols | oh alright |
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| 17:54.12 | kblin | me |
| 17:54.38 | sfb | It just needs to be long enough to keep his client from auto-joining |
| 17:54.39 | kblin | carols: thanks, btw |
| 17:54.49 | carols | kblin: you're welcome. |
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| 17:55.38 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b brettprofitt!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 17:56.46 | kblin | SRabbelier: should be possible to do a redirect ban on freenode |
| 17:56.57 | kblin | but I don't remember how that worked |
| 17:56.59 | SRabbelier | kblin: redirect to where though? |
| 17:57.12 | kblin | #fix-your-bloody-client |
| 17:57.44 | kblin | or possibly #adium ;) |
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| 17:58.25 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol |
| 17:58.27 | chx | is it possible to do such a thing??? |
| 17:58.33 | SRabbelier | chx: yeah |
| 17:58.35 | chx | i thought redirects were channel level |
| 17:58.37 | chx | tell me more |
| 17:58.40 | chx | sounds intriguing |
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| 17:59.16 | kblin | chx: might be that I misremember |
| 17:59.20 | *** mode/#gsoc [-b brettprofitt!*@*] by kblin |
| 17:59.30 | kblin | let |
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| 17:59.36 | kblin | d'oh |
| 17:59.46 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b brettprofitt!*@*] by kblin |
| 17:59.55 | kblin | a bit annoying |
| 18:00.25 | SRabbelier | kblin: what happened there? :P |
| 18:00.30 | kblin | I don't think his client gets it |
| 18:00.36 | akashm1990 | hide join/part messages is just easier |
| 18:00.44 | SRabbelier | chx: yeah, channel bases |
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| 18:01.05 | brik | should be possible @ redirect |
| 18:01.09 | ThFabba | +b nick!user@host$#redirect-to-here |
| 18:01.23 | kblin | ok, let's try that |
| 18:01.27 | *** mode/#gsoc [-b brettprofitt!*@*] by kblin |
| 18:01.37 | ThFabba | "The ban setter will only be able to set this ban if they are an op in #channel, or if #channel has channel mode +F set." |
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| 18:02.14 | ThFabba | Missing a dollar sign there ;) |
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| 18:02.37 | kblin | d'oh |
| 18:02.43 | kblin | ok, let me try this anyway |
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| 18:03.08 | brik | example I found says n!u@h!##fix_your_connection |
| 18:03.22 | ThFabba | quoting http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml ;) |
| 18:03.22 | kblin | ah, and the channel needs to exist |
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| 18:04.01 | kblin | and ##fix_your_connection exists |
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| 18:05.49 | kblin | ok, so in theory that works :) |
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| 18:06.12 | thebolt | heh |
| 18:06.13 | kblin | that's what I love about open source, you learn something new every day :) |
| 18:06.29 | kblin | also, "banme" is a registered nickname on freenode, go figure :) |
| 18:06.33 | thebolt | :) |
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| 18:06.58 | gevaerts | Lots of nicknames are registered |
| 18:07.24 | gevaerts | is still the proud owner of "trolls" |
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| 18:08.32 | kblin | and danderson still hogs socinfo :) |
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| 18:09.28 | kblin | anyhow, time for foodstuffs |
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| 18:12.49 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: hehe, nice |
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| 18:13.57 | gevaerts | Collecting interesting nicks is a nice hobby :) |
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| 18:14.15 | AlexP | gevaerts: How did you end up with gevaerts then? :P |
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| 18:14.31 | kblin | AlexP: it's less obvious he's a troll then |
| 18:14.36 | gevaerts | AlexP: shut up, you! I'm still upset about Exclusivor! |
| 18:14.38 | AlexP | ah right |
| 18:14.52 | AlexP | kblin: Also, it is not pronounceable by anyone born of women |
| 18:14.53 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: Exclusivor? |
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| 18:15.08 | AlexP | that's my superhero alter ego |
| 18:15.12 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: yes, one of the more interesting nicks in existence, but AlexP got it first :( |
| 18:15.19 | SRabbelier | hehe |
| 18:15.46 | AlexP | The look is a cross between Bananaman and Bicycle Repair Man |
| 18:16.01 | chx | heh the only interesting nick i own is drupal 'cos it looked practical that i can ghost anyone pretending to be that |
| 18:16.26 | chx | and now i have enforce set on my account so noone can hold it for longer than 30s :) |
| 18:16.50 | gevaerts | for some reason enforce refuses to work properly for me |
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| 18:30.14 | hofer | If an org has already decided about its accepted application, is there a way to know? Cause the 'pending' status is gone in the melange site. Is the status coming back or do we have to wait until April 25? |
| 18:30.25 | carols | hofer: you'll find out on the 25th. |
| 18:31.30 | SRabbelier | hofer: orgs are asked not to tell students anything until after the 25th |
| 18:31.45 | SRabbelier | ah, well, what carols said ^__^ |
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| 18:32.00 | carols | :-) |
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| 18:33.10 | jceel | proposal review period is way too long! |
| 18:33.18 | jceel | it should be max. 24h. |
| 18:33.19 | jceel | ;-) |
| 18:33.32 | SRabbelier | it's too short! |
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| 18:34.05 | downeym | s/long/short/ |
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| 18:34.37 | jceel | naah |
| 18:34.48 | jceel | :( |
| 18:34.57 | downeym | Should be a least a month. :) |
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| 18:45.50 | carols | mlankhorst: you around? |
| 18:46.20 | mlankhorst | yes? |
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| 18:46.37 | mlankhorst | dont tell me i have 0 slots again :P |
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| 18:47.42 | carols | mlankhorst: um, you do. so i had to guess for your allocations. can you please check its ok? |
| 18:47.50 | mlankhorst | O_O |
| 18:48.10 | mlankhorst | how on earth |
| 18:48.53 | carols | mlankhorst: if its not right, email me? we'll get it sorted |
| 18:49.27 | wolfb | hey carols! :) |
| 18:49.40 | mlankhorst | carols: am I just? Yesterday I verified it and had the correct number, saved it then left the site.. |
| 18:49.57 | dberkholz | i really wouldn't mind having more time between the app deadline and the slot deadline, though |
| 18:50.21 | dberkholz | even though i know it's gonna be quick, it still hits me like a semi truck |
| 18:50.23 | carols | hey wolfb |
| 18:50.38 | mlankhorst | dumb* guess that answers my question |
| 18:50.50 | carols | mlankhorst: i dont know. just let me know if it needs to be fixed :-) |
| 18:51.18 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: let me know if you need help |
| 18:51.20 | mlankhorst | seems to be ok ;p |
| 18:51.41 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: of the technical kind, can't help if you need mental help :P |
| 18:51.45 | carols | mlankhorst: great |
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| 18:52.31 | mlankhorst | ahh :\ |
| 18:53.38 | mlankhorst | SRabbelier: seems a stupid error showed up on top because previously allowed data was now invalid :/ |
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| 18:53.58 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: heh |
| 18:54.13 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: we show it on top, and on the place where it's wrong, where else would you want us to inform you of your failure ;P |
| 18:54.25 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: maybe we should change the form background color to red? :D |
| 18:54.30 | dberkholz | <blink> |
| 18:54.32 | mlankhorst | SRabbelier: would be nice |
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| 18:54.45 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: how about a popup for people who leave without saving? |
| 18:54.52 | mlankhorst | SRabbelier: i was looking at the bottom where it had the slots and that was the only data I changed |
| 18:54.58 | mlankhorst | no real clue things are wrong there |
| 18:55.01 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: ah |
| 18:55.09 | mlankhorst | had to scroll all the way up before i saw it |
| 18:55.11 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: your browser auto-scrolled down? |
| 18:55.17 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: (also, what was wrong?) |
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| 18:55.19 | mlankhorst | yeah |
| 18:55.26 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: heh |
| 18:55.31 | mlankhorst | irc channel was invalid :p |
| 18:55.42 | dberkholz | oh, i had a weird problem on there for a while. it had a state in the shipping address but nothing else, which was valid at one point |
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| 19:00.09 | mlankhorst | dberkholz: so im not the only one being bitten then ;p |
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| 19:00.46 | SRabbelier | oh AppEngine how ye pain me -_-" |
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| 19:00.54 | dberkholz | at the time, it was very nonobvious what the problem was, but i eventually sorted it out. |
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| 19:02.09 | SRabbelier | nods |
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| 19:11.49 | carldani | wow, our org got a lot more slots than expected. |
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| 19:12.47 | carldani | SRabbelier: Is there a deadline for donating slots to other orgs? |
| 19:13.02 | SRabbelier | carols: ^ |
| 19:13.10 | carols | carldani: april 20 |
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| 19:15.10 | carldani | carols: That's plenty of time. I want to make sure that none of our students is unfairly denied a slot, but students with communication issues (not responding after the application perios was over) will probably lose their slots if they don't provide answers before April 20. |
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| 19:15.21 | kblin | a bit of spring cleaning :) |
| 19:15.22 | carols | carldani: ok |
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| 19:15.35 | carols | kblin: so refreshing. :-) |
| 19:15.41 | gevaerts | kblin: like http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200204/df20020402.jpg ? |
| 19:15.42 | dberkholz | smells like flowers. |
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| 19:15.48 | kblin | there |
| 19:16.00 | kblin | ready to add new bans :) |
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| 19:17.15 | SRabbelier | woops |
| 19:17.24 | SRabbelier | meant to query the banlist :P |
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| 19:17.47 | asmeurer | !slots |
| 19:17.48 | gsocbot | asmeurer: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 19:18.17 | carols | wow, that is so useful and accurate :-) |
| 19:18.26 | SRabbelier | carols: Cos I added it :P |
| 19:18.40 | dberkholz | aha, i knew it said somewhere what new orgs should do. |
| 19:18.41 | asmeurer | can someone point me to the document explaining how Google allocates slots? |
| 19:18.41 | carols | thanks SRabbelier :-) |
| 19:18.51 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: that was it |
| 19:19.01 | asmeurer | :) |
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| 19:19.13 | carols | well, there is a Notes On Slot Allocation doc |
| 19:19.18 | asmeurer | yeah, that |
| 19:19.20 | carols | but i like the bot better :-) |
| 19:19.24 | SRabbelier | that's anciently outdated now though |
| 19:19.33 | carols | asmeurer: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 19:19.36 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: so unless you want to know how it worked tow years ago... :) |
| 19:19.44 | carols | have at it |
| 19:20.10 | asmeurer | So was that not used at all? |
| 19:20.18 | asmeurer | it says "updated Apr 6, 2011" |
| 19:20.20 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: right |
| 19:20.24 | SRabbelier | oh |
| 19:20.25 | SRabbelier | checks |
| 19:20.34 | carols | asmeurer: thats just because i added it on that day. |
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| 19:20.46 | dberkholz | it used to be in some older wiki |
| 19:20.51 | carols | asmeurer: the contents of the document is two years old. |
| 19:21.17 | asmeurer | ok |
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| 19:22.33 | dberkholz | there used to be an orgcriteria page too, wonder where that went |
| 19:23.03 | SRabbelier | probably /dev/shred |
| 19:23.14 | dberkholz | i guess http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/org-application/ looks reasonable now |
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| 19:23.40 | dberkholz | it would be nice to get all the useful stuff in there or on the faq |
| 19:23.40 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: is that like /dev/null, except it's xored with /dev/random first? |
| 19:23.41 | SRabbelier | does anyone else find that url awkward? |
| 19:23.48 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: something like that I think, yea |
| 19:23.52 | dberkholz | the wiki is just yet another resources people don't know exists |
| 19:23.54 | dberkholz | resource* |
| 19:24.09 | SRabbelier | (in paritcular the _v) |
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| 19:31.37 | carols | mlankhorst: your slot numbers finally showed up! |
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| 19:34.34 | SRabbelier | dance |
| 19:35.02 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: does the dance illustrate a sorting algorithm? |
| 19:35.21 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: yes, it does, random sort |
| 19:35.28 | gevaerts | Great! :) |
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| 19:37.47 | asmeurer | Your userguide is also out of date |
| 19:37.49 | asmeurer | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide |
| 19:38.16 | asmeurer | it still talks about manually re-ranking proposals |
| 19:38.32 | asmeurer | (sorry, I would link to the specific section, but the anchors don't seem to work) |
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| 19:40.33 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: yeah, all docs are ^^ |
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| 19:41.35 | laserbled | It would have been great if it was mentioned some where that students applying to a new org also apply to an umberlla org....looks like it would be pretty hard to get into a new org even with a great proposal |
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| 19:42.51 | SRabbelier | Good news everyone |
| 19:43.43 | SRabbelier | http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=e22884ec0f9866fd7811894e181d9b623bd98d1d |
| 19:43.53 | SRabbelier | (you know you want to check it!) |
| 19:44.11 | gevaerts | "extra" as in "custom"? |
| 19:44.24 | asmeurer | sweet |
| 19:44.25 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: the very same |
| 19:44.27 | asmeurer | is that live? |
| 19:44.29 | gevaerts | Yay! |
| 19:44.41 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: it will be with the next release |
| 19:44.48 | SRabbelier | adding bulk student accept/reject first :) |
| 19:45.04 | gevaerts | "bulk" as in "reject all students"? |
| 19:45.29 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: yes |
| 19:45.40 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: if you so desire ;) |
| 19:45.59 | gevaerts | I suspect I'm not an admin for precisely this reason :) |
| 19:46.12 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I think so too ;) |
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| 19:46.32 | SRabbelier | so |
| 19:46.34 | SRabbelier | design question |
| 19:46.40 | SRabbelier | multiselect + clickable rows = disaster |
| 19:46.54 | SRabbelier | (if you misclick, you are directed to the proposal instead) |
| 19:47.03 | SRabbelier | acceptable to add a [details] link instead? |
| 19:47.20 | laserbled | !numapps |
| 19:47.20 | gsocbot | laserbled: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 19:47.38 | SRabbelier | hmm, well |
| 19:47.41 | SRabbelier | we did it for notifications last year |
| 19:47.42 | SRabbelier | why not xD |
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| 19:48.09 | gevaerts | knows he likes the actual <a href> links this year :) |
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| 19:48.39 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: thank Mario for that :) |
| 19:48.49 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: he's our JS wizard |
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| 19:49.17 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I may actually have semi-flamed about this on the bug tracker last year or the year before :) |
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| 19:49.34 | gevaerts | So yes, many thanks, beers, and chocolate are in order :) |
| 19:49.35 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: no cookie for you then |
| 19:49.53 | gevaerts | !yes |
| 19:49.54 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
| 19:49.57 | gevaerts | \âº/ |
| 19:50.03 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: see? gsocbot disagrees :) |
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| 19:50.29 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 19:51.55 | MatthewWilkes | hi all |
| 19:52.16 | gevaerts | Oh, I can delete the comment and earn a cookie that way! |
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| 19:52.29 | MatthewWilkes | how absurd an idea is it to try and get to SF from vancouver considering I can't drive |
| 19:52.47 | ojwb | without a plane? |
| 19:53.03 | gevaerts | without a plan would be worse |
| 19:53.08 | Catfish_Man | are you planning on hitchhiking? or taking a greyhound bus? |
| 19:53.18 | Catfish_Man | (or a plane of course, but then I don't understand the question) |
| 19:53.26 | MatthewWilkes | without a plane, yes |
| 19:53.27 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: he intends to walk |
| 19:53.30 | MatthewWilkes | no idea how to do it, really |
| 19:53.41 | gevaerts | A taxi, maybe? |
| 19:53.50 | SRabbelier | chortles |
| 19:53.56 | ojwb | sea kayak? |
| 19:54.08 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: Is http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=740#c23 flaming, or *just* not? I'm not sure... |
| 19:54.11 | dberkholz | does the train go all the way down? |
| 19:54.19 | keseldude | yeah, kayak seems the most reasonable |
| 19:54.23 | mlankhorst | carols: like i said, ui was confusing me, once I figured it out ;P |
| 19:54.24 | MatthewWilkes | Thanks guys. |
| 19:54.42 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: cranky if nothing else |
| 19:54.57 | keseldude | there should be a bus that goes there |
| 19:54.58 | gevaerts | yes, at least that |
| 19:54.58 | dberkholz | i'm pretty sure you can catch a train at least seattleâSF |
| 19:55.02 | dberkholz | dunno north of that |
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| 19:55.10 | SRabbelier | google maps!~ |
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| 19:56.31 | dberkholz | yeah, looks like amtrak runs all the way up to vancouver. |
| 19:56.34 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: http://goo.gl/c1gF5 only 4 days by bike |
| 19:56.42 | MatthewWilkes | 22 hour train |
| 19:56.51 | dberkholz | better get a sleeper car. |
| 19:57.26 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: why not |
| 19:57.27 | MatthewWilkes | hmm |
| 19:57.41 | dberkholz | 4 days? you've gotta be kidding me. |
| 19:58.00 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: 4 days straight, so at least 5 if you're the best |
| 19:58.02 | MatthewWilkes | I'm not |
| 19:58.11 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: nonstop :P |
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| 19:59.06 | dberkholz | ah. so let's say 8-hour days, that means just shy of 2 weeks |
| 19:59.28 | dberkholz | then another 2 on the way back |
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| 20:00.01 | MatthewWilkes | sighs |
| 20:00.05 | MatthewWilkes | looks like a non-starter |
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| 20:01.07 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: one of our people wants to know if the custom columns have colours :) |
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| 20:01.35 | carols | gevaerts: are you guys just asking for ponies at this point? |
| 20:01.37 | carols | :-) |
| 20:01.40 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: They don't :P |
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| 20:01.54 | gevaerts | carols: we can try :) |
| 20:02.33 | gevaerts | In previous years we tended to use various colours on a google spreadsheet to immediately make things obvious |
| 20:02.51 | SRabbelier | carols: pff, that's nothing, dberkholz was asking for a partial implementation of common lisp |
| 20:02.58 | lu_zero | carols: ponyping |
| 20:03.01 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: when I was a student, one of the guys in my year rode his bike home to his parents on Saturday early, and cam back Sunday night .. 300km each way (but without a laundry sack ;) |
| 20:03.05 | carols | lu_zero: hello |
| 20:03.09 | lu_zero | hi =) |
| 20:03.11 | ayust | carols: ponies seem to be more likely than people not responding to threads that they've been asked not to :P |
| 20:03.36 | Ophiuchi | chocolate |
| 20:04.13 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: for next year, pluggable scoring systems (with option for multiple-factor scoring and weighting) |
| 20:04.28 | carols | ayust: seriously. its not rocket science, people. |
| 20:04.49 | gevaerts | thinks that carols has been very moderate in her replies :) |
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| 20:05.16 | SRabbelier | carols: I always just pretend that they didn't read your email before they sent theirs |
| 20:05.21 | lu_zero | had his mailboxes a bit flooded lately |
| 20:05.21 | SRabbelier | carols: makes it less infuriating |
| 20:05.23 | carols | gevaerts: they're certainly replies that aren't in line with what i'm actually thinking :-) |
| 20:05.33 | carols | SRabbelier: you're so nice. |
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| 20:05.46 | Ophiuchi | carols: well, many people don't read all the thread before replying, so it's always hard to end a 'hot' topic |
| 20:05.53 | SRabbelier | carols: it's just self preservation |
| 20:06.10 | SRabbelier | carols: you'd be an excellent DoubleThinker |
| 20:06.55 | carols | SRabbelier: thanks, i think :-P |
| 20:07.00 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: we've now decided that we will have one column labeled "colour", where we'll have "red", "yellow", and "green" :) |
| 20:07.11 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: lol |
| 20:07.28 | cryos | aplauds the correct spelling of colour :P |
| 20:07.37 | mlankhorst | carols: crimethink remake fullwise? |
| 20:07.38 | mlankhorst | :D |
| 20:07.53 | asmeurer | Is Google releasing the total number of slots they've allocated (I mean before the 25th)? |
| 20:07.58 | carols | mlankhorst: this message makes my brain hurt :-P |
| 20:08.04 | carols | asmeurer: if i feel like it. |
| 20:08.21 | mlankhorst | carols: aw, you don't speak newspeak :( |
| 20:08.23 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: actually |
| 20:08.26 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it supports html |
| 20:08.29 | asmeurer | just curious :) |
| 20:08.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: so you can add color :P |
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| 20:08.49 | carols | mlankhorst: nope, sorry. i dont. does someone want to teach it to me at the mentor summit? :-) |
| 20:08.51 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I'm not sure we want to go that way :) |
| 20:09.05 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: it sounds like a recipe for disaster |
| 20:09.20 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: I'm having trouble seeing how 'remake' fits in there, something like crimethink makes you fullwise again? |
| 20:09.31 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it is :P |
| 20:09.36 | mlankhorst | SRabbelier: i dont speak newspeak either ;p |
| 20:09.39 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I need to clean the input ;) |
| 20:09.40 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: lol |
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| 20:10.12 | mlankhorst | maybe miniluv can teach me :X (ministry of love, in charge of punishments) |
| 20:10.14 | mlankhorst | wee |
| 20:10.16 | Ophiuchi | gevaerts: scoring by color coding, see how they play chamaeleon? |
| 20:10.26 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: Miniluv remake goodthink fullwise |
| 20:10.48 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Crimethink win |
| 20:10.51 | mlankhorst | YES :D |
| 20:11.27 | mlankhorst | crimethink doubleplusungood |
| 20:11.29 | mlankhorst | wee |
| 20:11.31 | jrabbit | Wtf Firefox Aurora v. Arora |
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| 20:11.40 | gevaerts | Ophiuchi: we tend to start out using regular scoring, and then we translate that to yes, maybe and no. At that stage, colours are somewhat useful :) |
| 20:12.15 | mlankhorst | SRabbelier: wtf? http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/GNU_Emacs O_O |
| 20:12.20 | gevaerts | I'm sure those 50+ slot orgs can't work that way, but for us small orgs, it works quite well :) |
| 20:12.43 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 20:14.15 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: <div style="color:red;">failed</div> |
| 20:14.18 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: works as expected |
| 20:14.35 | SRabbelier | carols: should I let orgs enter html in the extra columns? |
| 20:14.43 | SRabbelier | carols: it's only ever seen by mentors of their own orgs |
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| 20:16.35 | carols | SRabbelier: are there reasons *not* to let them? |
| 20:16.39 | ojwb | SRabbelier: given that guy who applied to every org to mentor got accepted a couple of times, that doesn't see a good plan |
| 20:16.49 | ojwb | carols: cross-site scripting |
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| 20:17.09 | carols | wait, are we talking about students or mentors here? |
| 20:17.22 | ojwb | mentors |
| 20:17.30 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Everything's POST only though, I think, and the html would be filtered |
| 20:17.57 | carols | we're worried about the mentors doing an cross-site scripting attack? |
| 20:18.02 | carols | i want to know who these people are |
| 20:18.04 | ojwb | if it's actually filtered reliably, that's OK |
| 20:18.28 | ojwb | carols: well, the random guy who applied to mentor for everyone could have been doing it with malicious intent |
| 20:18.36 | koda|work | is it normal that we got only 2 of the 5 slots requested? :| |
| 20:18.46 | carols | koda|work: are you a new org? |
| 20:18.57 | carols | ojwb, SRabbelier: let's take it offline. |
| 20:19.05 | koda|work | carols, yeps |
| 20:19.12 | carols | !slots |
| 20:19.12 | gsocbot | carols: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
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| 20:19.16 | carols | koda|work: ^^ |
| 20:19.28 | koda|work | :((( |
| 20:19.37 | koda|work | i thought it would be around 4 |
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| 20:20.02 | ojwb | carols: sure, though I don't think I've anything to add |
| 20:20.56 | koda|work | i think that starting that tag requests on the mailing list turned out negatively on us :p |
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| 20:21.28 | koda|work | in the past new orgs got more slots, right? |
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| 20:21.50 | MatthewWilkes | koda|work: In the past new orgs were a lot less likely to get accepted, too. |
| 20:21.54 | SRabbelier | koda|work: this year there are 50 new slots |
| 20:21.57 | SRabbelier | **50 new orgs |
| 20:22.08 | SRabbelier | koda|work: previous years maybe 4 :P |
| 20:22.12 | MatthewWilkes | koda|work: It is a lot more work than you might expect taking part in SoC |
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| 20:22.22 | milki | !next |
| 20:22.23 | gsocbot | milki: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 20:22.24 | MatthewWilkes | koda|work: Are you and admin or a mentor? |
| 20:22.30 | koda|work | both |
| 20:22.31 | milki | 9 more days! |
| 20:22.56 | koda|work | i thought that having a lot of proposal would have helped us getting more slots |
| 20:23.00 | koda|work | proposals* |
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| 20:23.19 | SRabbelier | koda|work: if you were a returning org, yes |
| 20:23.20 | koda|work | because we really saw a very high interestes in us (surprisingly) |
| 20:23.26 | SRabbelier | koda|work: or, actually, maybe |
| 20:23.31 | MatthewWilkes | koda|work: I recommend you find somebody else to take one of those positions. Even with just two of you it would be difficult to pull both of those roles off |
| 20:23.34 | carols | koda|work: proposal count does not a good summer for the students make. |
| 20:23.36 | SRabbelier | koda|work: it's no guarantee |
| 20:23.53 | koda|work | MatthewWilkes, i have 5 mentors in total |
| 20:23.57 | koda|work | carols, i see |
| 20:24.14 | koda|work | but if we do good in this gsoc i'll have more slots next summer right? |
| 20:24.27 | MatthewWilkes | koda|work: 2 for each project and an admin sounds sensible to me (my opinion) |
| 20:24.34 | SRabbelier | koda|work: suppose your organization is very bad at mentoring, if we give you 30 slots because you got 200 proposals, that'd be a crappy experience for 30 students, ya? |
| 20:24.47 | koda|work | SRabbelier, yes i understand |
| 20:24.54 | SRabbelier | koda|work: k :) |
| 20:24.56 | carols | koda|work: if we decide to run the program again and if you get accepted again, it is certainly somewhat more likely you'll get more slots. but that's a lot of ifs - why not just focus on this summer? :-) |
| 20:25.20 | |Kev| | 'certainly somewhat more likely' :D |
| 20:25.31 | carols | i see you noticed that |Kev| :-) |
| 20:25.43 | koda|work | carols, of course, i was just trying to get more motivation for doing great for this year ;) |
| 20:26.14 | carols | koda|work: your motivation is that you will now have two developers producing open source code for your community. that seems like a really good motivation to do a good job. |
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| 20:26.26 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Ballpark figure, what percentage of orgs have as their reason for SoC to introduce new people to open source and what percent have to get more code? |
| 20:26.39 | koda|work | carols, yes yes :) |
| 20:26.53 | MatthewWilkes | is just curious |
| 20:26.59 | carols | MatthewWilkes: 30/70? that's pretty ballpark, though. |
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| 20:27.56 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Thanks :) |
| 20:28.04 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yw :-) |
| 20:28.23 | MatthewWilkes | has more beer and laments not going to get chocolate earlier |
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| 20:46.12 | SRabbelier | Win: "Not I, said the noisy yellow duck.Later, Duck wanted the bread. The Hen opted for Chinese food that night, Peking style. #tarantinotales" |
| 20:46.37 | gevaerts | \_o< \_o< |
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| 20:48.36 | gevaerts | \_o< \_o< |
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| 20:55.18 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: BRING ME DUCK. |
| 20:55.44 | gevaerts | \_o< \_o< |
| 20:56.07 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: fine fine, duck is on the way |
| 20:56.16 | thebolt | wants beijing duck.. its _so_ good |
| 20:57.40 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: I've decided to start calling it peking again |
| 20:58.04 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g |
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| 20:59.34 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: truly? |
| 20:59.42 | ajedwards | pigeons here are either going nuts or they've caught on that i'm slowing down for them... |
| 20:59.52 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: It was a peeking duck! |
| 20:59.55 | ajedwards | the damn things don't move out of the way anymore.. |
| 21:00.15 | ajedwards | actually it's been since i switched cars =/ |
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| 22:06.53 | brianherman | ping |
| 22:07.08 | shenlok | pong |
| 22:07.29 | beng-nl | lo |
| 22:07.30 | carols | brings out a ping pong table |
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| 22:07.38 | brianherman | hello |
| 22:07.43 | carols | hello brianherman |
| 22:07.58 | brianherman | so we just wait untill our propsosals get approved/unapproved |
| 22:08.09 | gevaerts | places some tea and cookies on this new table :) |
| 22:08.12 | beng-nl | ohh |
| 22:08.19 | beng-nl | runs for the cookies |
| 22:08.21 | beng-nl | gobble gobble |
| 22:08.34 | ajedwards | dibs on the tea |
| 22:08.34 | carols | brianherman: you mean students? |
| 22:09.01 | brianherman | yea |
| 22:09.24 | eoc | well, you could try to show your org that you're worth being accepted meantime :-) |
| 22:09.24 | LetterRip | brianherman: you can probably do patches and such, which might up your odds |
| 22:09.33 | LetterRip | and get active with your org and community |
| 22:09.55 | ajedwards | or finish assignments, like I am :( |
| 22:09.56 | ajedwards | :p |
| 22:10.01 | LetterRip | that too :) |
| 22:10.24 | brianherman | what assignment |
| 22:10.28 | brianherman | i never got one |
| 22:10.32 | brianherman | i can do a patch |
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| 22:10.44 | LetterRip | brianherman: he means school assignments |
| 22:10.45 | ajedwards | brianherman, I am finishing university assignments, nevermind! |
| 22:11.03 | LetterRip | brianherman: ok, a patch is what i'd recommend |
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| 22:14.04 | brianherman | hmmm |
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| 22:15.37 | brianherman | my work is on the website |
| 22:15.46 | brianherman | so working on their todo list would be good |
| 22:19.58 | brianherman | cool i found an easy bug |
| 22:19.59 | brianherman | neat |
| 22:20.01 | brianherman | thanks u guys |
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| 22:55.18 | SRabbelier | should mentors be able to see whether a project will be accepted? |
| 22:55.30 | SRabbelier | ojwb perhaps? |
| 22:55.41 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: ? |
| 22:56.48 | SRabbelier | goes with yes |
| 22:59.45 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I think so |
| 22:59.58 | ojwb | it'll save the admin having to answer a lot of questions |
| 23:00.14 | ojwb | if people disagree, it could be an admin checkbox for next year |
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| 23:02.54 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 23:03.00 | SRabbelier | ojwb: how about custom columns |
| 23:03.05 | SRabbelier | ojwb: should those be visible and editable by the mentor? |
| 23:03.33 | ojwb | not really sure |
| 23:03.41 | ojwb | I guess it depends on the use they have |
| 23:03.48 | ojwb | i can see you might want both |
| 23:04.38 | ojwb | i'd say make them visible and editable |
| 23:04.56 | ojwb | if a mentor abuses the ability to edit, that's one mentor you don't want |
| 23:05.17 | ojwb | and people can request variations if they have a use |
| 23:06.03 | SRabbelier | ojwb: sgtm |
| 23:06.51 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I think you've just invented shedbiking... |
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| 23:07.16 | SRabbelier | ojwb: mh? |
| 23:07.28 | SRabbelier | asking users for to bikeshed? :P |
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| 23:08.06 | ojwb | yeah |
| 23:08.31 | SRabbelier | heh :P |
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| 23:10.26 | SRabbelier | ojwb: (done of course to preempt future bikesheds) |
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| 23:16.04 | SRabbelier | allright |
| 23:16.06 | SRabbelier | code's done |
| 23:16.10 | carols | thanks SRabbelier |
| 23:16.10 | SRabbelier | will deploy first thing in the morning |
| 23:16.51 | SRabbelier | carols: bulk accept and custom columns, the admins should be estatic |
| 23:17.03 | SRabbelier | (who am I kidding) |
| 23:17.22 | carols | toasts SRabbelier |
| 23:17.25 | carols | yeah, i hear you. |
| 23:18.20 | SRabbelier | toasts carols |
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| 23:20.06 | lh | SRabbelier: darn skippy! |
| 23:20.17 | lh | hands both SRabbelier and carols a bottle of champagne |
| 23:20.22 | David_Honeynet | SRabbelier: if only everyone added new features so quickly! nice going... ;-) |
| 23:20.25 | carols | thank you lh :-) |
| 23:20.37 | carols | has some champagne |
| 23:20.37 | SRabbelier | David_Honeynet: the rest of the world goes to bed at a sane time |
| 23:20.43 | carols | day's almost over, it's fine, right? |
| 23:20.55 | David_Honeynet | SRabbelier: heh, yes (/me notices clock) :) |
| 23:21.04 | SRabbelier | chortles |
| 23:21.12 | SRabbelier | carols: I'll just tell everyone I'm living on SF time now |
| 23:21.22 | carols | good idea. it would make more sense that way :-P |
| 23:22.05 | beng-nl | it is lateish (here) |
| 23:22.16 | carols | beng-nl: aren't you in .nl too? |
| 23:22.20 | carols | or am i wrong? |
| 23:22.24 | beng-nl | entirely |
| 23:22.28 | carols | fair enough |
| 23:22.31 | beng-nl | i didn't know SRabbelier was too :) |
| 23:22.36 | carols | has some more champagne |
| 23:22.39 | beng-nl | carols: entirely in nl i mean |
| 23:22.51 | carols | hehe well darn now i drank this champagne for nothing :-P |
| 23:22.57 | SRabbelier | beng-nl: guilty as charged |
| 23:23.14 | beng-nl | mmmm champagne |
| 23:23.23 | beng-nl | picks up a glass from a passing waiter in tux |
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| 23:23.43 | beng-nl | nip |
| 23:23.48 | SRabbelier | g'night folks |
| 23:23.51 | beng-nl | night SRabbelier |
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| 23:25.16 | hofer | hi, after the april 25, are the students ranks public? Or are they private to google and the organizations? Cause it's always good to have an idead of how good our proposals were. |
| 23:25.30 | carols | hofer: yes, they will be public on april 25. |
| 23:25.49 | carols | hofer: wait, i may have misunderstood the question. you mean acceptance/rejection? |
| 23:26.40 | hofer | carols: no, aren't the organizations suppose to rank the proposals submited by the students? Is that rank public? |
| 23:27.05 | carols | hofer: they dont have to rank if they dont want to, and no, those will never be public. |
| 23:27.24 | hofer | carols: ok, thx |
| 23:27.27 | carols | yw |
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