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| 00:22.35 | ojwb | encolpe: you can withdraw a mentoring request |
| 00:24.15 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: thanks, got the spreadsheet |
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| 00:27.31 | ququ | are the projects becoming public by default? or the mentors only can make them public? |
| 00:27.52 | ojwb | the students are the ones who can make them public |
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| 00:28.20 | ojwb | but I think that checkbox can't be changed now, unless the proposal is made editable |
| 00:28.51 | ojwb | for accepted projects, the title, summary, student and mentor are made public |
| 00:29.18 | ojwb | well, unless that changes this year |
| 00:29.52 | ququ | ojwb: I meant currently while they're pending. I understand that chosen students will be public on melange's site |
| 00:30.06 | ojwb | "for accepted projects, the title, summary, student and mentor are made public" |
| 00:30.51 | ququ | ojwb: right :) So the answer to my question is - proposals are private while being "pending" or "rejected". thanks |
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| 00:32.22 | ojwb | ququ: yes, unless you made it public |
| 00:32.50 | ququ | ojwb: how can I make it public? |
| 00:33.05 | ojwb | hmm, we're going in circles here |
| 00:33.09 | ojwb | there's a checkbox |
| 00:33.15 | ojwb | but I think that checkbox can't be changed now, unless the proposal is made editable |
| 00:34.00 | ojwb | or you can take a copy of the proposal and stick it on your website, or in google docs, or wherever |
| 00:34.04 | ququ | ojwb: Thanks. I can't see any checkbox now, but I guess it was there when I was entering the proposal. |
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| 00:34.36 | ojwb | ququ: i'm not a student, so can't see that view, but quite likely it's hidden now |
| 00:35.02 | ququ | ojwb: thank you for the time! |
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| 01:20.47 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: the # of scores field is really great for embarrassing my mentors into reading stuff, thanks for that |
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| 04:10.22 | Sonnbc | hi, someone says that he can see his proposal's status as pending. How can I check my proposal's status? I see the proposal on the dashboard without any status. Please help. |
| 04:10.43 | DanKluev | Click on it, and it will open the proposal |
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| 04:11.43 | Sonnbc | oh I see now. Thank you very much DanKluev |
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| 04:23.36 | ojwb | there's also an optional column (click the grid icon lower left of the list) |
| 04:23.48 | ojwb | well, I assume it's there for that, we have one for the mentor/admin view |
| 04:24.33 | DanKluev | ojwb: student view does not have that column |
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| 04:25.10 | ojwb | ah, ok |
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| 04:27.59 | dberkholz | hopefully it went away |
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| 04:38.00 | samiran | can someone tell me all the status of a proposal |
| 04:38.38 | samiran | there is lots of buzz in the mailing list, so it would be nice enough if someone post all of them in one post |
| 04:39.01 | ojwb | !next |
| 04:39.02 | socinfo | ojwb: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 04:39.19 | ojwb | darn, wrong one |
| 04:39.30 | ojwb | samiran: you need to wait until the results are announced |
| 04:39.32 | ojwb | 25th IIRC |
| 04:39.59 | ojwb | until then, you're either pending or rejected as total junk |
| 04:40.07 | svaksha | samiran: howdo we know which list you are talking about? can you see "status: pending" in you proposal? rest, as ojwb said |
| 04:40.39 | ojwb | I doubt even your org really knows right now |
| 04:40.55 | ojwb | and even if they do, things can change in the next 2 weeks |
| 04:40.56 | samiran | so i hope there only three status: pending, rejected and accepted |
| 04:41.06 | ojwb | there's withdrawn too |
| 04:41.28 | samiran | svaksha : mine is still pending |
| 04:41.31 | ojwb | nobody is accepted yet, so there's not a lot to see |
| 04:41.38 | ojwb | samiran: that's what you want |
| 04:41.41 | svaksha | samiran: you are fine :) |
| 04:42.04 | samiran | what about withdrawn as discussed in mailing list |
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| 04:42.16 | svaksha | samiran: which list are you talking about? |
| 04:42.27 | svaksha | got a link? |
| 04:42.36 | ojwb | guesses the gsoc student list |
| 04:43.04 | svaksha | hmm...digest :) |
| 04:43.22 | samiran | svaksha : someone in the mailing list had his proposal withdrawn, so i was thinking what that might mean |
| 04:43.39 | ojwb | it means he or she clicked "withdraw" on it |
| 04:43.56 | ojwb | probably inadvertently |
| 04:43.57 | DanKluev | samiran: there's also 'ignored' status |
| 04:44.16 | DanKluev | But you definitely would not want to see that on your proposal :) |
| 04:44.23 | ojwb | withdraw means the student withdrew it |
| 04:44.33 | samiran | ojwb : ok i got it |
| 04:44.34 | ojwb | ignored means the org think it's junk |
| 04:44.48 | ojwb | pending is good |
| 04:44.59 | ojwb | and you'll end up at rejected or accepted |
| 04:45.06 | svaksha | samiran: pending indicates you are still in the game |
| 04:45.28 | samiran | i hope pending is good till 25 :P |
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| 05:24.55 | jasebo | next! |
| 05:25.21 | jasebo | !next |
| 05:25.22 | socinfo | jasebo: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 05:25.50 | jasebo | !help |
| 05:25.51 | socinfo | jasebo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 05:30.25 | ojwb | http://survex.com/~olly/blog/gsoc/gsoc-proposal-status.html |
| 05:32.23 | ojwb | if I got i got any details wrong, please tell me... |
| 05:33.21 | DarthGandalf | ojwb: on Apr 15 already accepted or rejected? |
| 05:33.30 | ojwb | um |
| 05:33.38 | ojwb | well, that's one wrong detail I think |
| 05:33.42 | ojwb | should be 25th... |
| 05:33.52 | ojwb | d'oh |
| 05:34.33 | ojwb | DarthGandalf: thanks for spotting that, will fix |
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| 05:36.03 | DarthGandalf | If org already once clicked accepted or rejected button, the student is already accepted/rejected? |
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| 05:36.16 | DarthGandalf | Not very much details on the process there |
| 05:36.31 | ojwb | the status only changes for the student on 25th AIUI |
| 05:36.53 | DarthGandalf | Including "ignored"? |
| 05:37.04 | ojwb | i don't know the exact details of what the org does this year yet |
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| 05:37.10 | ojwb | no, to rejected/accepted |
| 05:37.14 | ojwb | hence the data on those arrows |
| 05:37.36 | ojwb | the *date* |
| 05:38.11 | ojwb | date fixed |
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| 05:56.24 | jasebo | !faq |
| 05:56.25 | socinfo | jasebo: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 06:20.23 | tibbe | Is voting binding i.e. if we get 7 slots will the 7 top proposals by score automatically be accepted? |
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| 06:24.48 | ojwb | tibbe: no, this year an admin needs to mark the proposals they want to accept |
| 06:25.10 | tibbe | ojwb: ok, great. Thanks. |
| 06:25.11 | ojwb | the scores are simply one way to find which ones you want |
| 06:25.46 | ojwb | not really sure how that works with duplicate resolution though |
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| 06:28.23 | thebolt | morning |
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| 06:55.19 | gsocbot | thebolt: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 06:55.33 | kai | morning btw :) |
| 06:56.25 | |Kev| | Morning Kai. |
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| 07:52.21 | Prasath | Hi how many projects google offering this year and how many applicants so far? |
| 07:52.56 | ihalip | !numapps |
| 07:52.57 | socinfo | ihalip: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 07:53.23 | ihalip | we don't know how many students will be accepted this year |
| 07:53.41 | ihalip | yet. |
| 07:55.16 | Prasath | ihalip: socinfoThanks for the info |
| 07:55.26 | Prasath | Is there aqqny link? |
| 07:55.30 | Prasath | *any |
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| 07:58.18 | kai | any link for what? |
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| 08:00.55 | Prasath | kai: About the numbers |
| 08:01.21 | Prasath | kai: blog a post about it by google? |
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| 08:03.31 | thiago | Prasath: the numbers are above. Why do you need a link to the information we've just given you? |
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| 09:18.30 | kai | !when |
| 09:18.30 | gsocbot | kai: "when" is later |
| 09:19.19 | |Kev| | It lives :) |
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| 09:26.07 | Talad | Hi |
| 09:26.20 | Talad | we have one student who submitted two proposals into one single application |
| 09:26.51 | Talad | he placed his contacts details into it, then developed the two ideas in an attached zip file containing 2 pdf files one for each idea |
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| 09:26.59 | Ivanovic | Talad: you can only accepte the student once anyway |
| 09:27.11 | Talad | this is not very easy to manage if we have to rank the two ideas separately |
| 09:27.45 | Talad | Ivanovic: yes, but I have a problem with ranking |
| 09:27.47 | Ivanovic | i'd say: only consider the idea you think is better/more useful and be done (and state this in the (public!) comment so that the student knows it) |
| 09:27.59 | |Kev| | Talad: Right, that's why students should submit one application per proposal. |
| 09:28.10 | Talad | is it possible to split it? |
| 09:28.16 | |Kev| | I don't know if SRabbelier would be able to help. |
| 09:28.17 | |Kev| | !fix |
| 09:28.18 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "fix" is Send SRabbelier an email from the account you used for GSoC. Include your link_id and your desired status change. His email is his nick at gmail. |
| 09:28.29 | SRabbelier | mh? |
| 09:28.30 | Talad | I will ask |
| 09:28.42 | Talad | hi SRabbelier, please read above |
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| 09:28.52 | SRabbelier | Talad: have him pick one idea |
| 09:28.54 | Talad | one student submitted two proposals into one application |
| 09:29.00 | SRabbelier | Talad: if he wanted two proposals he should have submitted two |
| 09:29.18 | Talad | I think he definitely wanted two proposals |
| 09:29.24 | Talad | in fact the two pdf are separate |
| 09:29.33 | Talad | he probably didn't know how internally this would work |
| 09:29.45 | Talad | so to him 2 pdf are ok, but for us are not |
| 09:29.53 | SRabbelier | Talad: right, so inform him |
| 09:30.08 | Ivanovic | has he communicated with you before? |
| 09:30.10 | Talad | is it possible to split that proposal into 2? |
| 09:30.16 | Ivanovic | asking about two proposals and such? |
| 09:30.19 | SRabbelier | Talad: if he wanted two proposals he should have submitted two |
| 09:30.20 | Talad | Ivanovic: uyes |
| 09:30.22 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: You probably know which one is best, you could just encourage him to make it that one |
| 09:30.31 | Talad | SRabbelier: from his perspective he submitted two |
| 09:30.38 | SRabbelier | Talad: he didn't though |
| 09:30.50 | SRabbelier | Talad: if a student submitted their application by email |
| 09:30.51 | Talad | he didn't from the "system" perspective |
| 09:30.59 | SRabbelier | Talad: and then said "but I submitted it from my perspective" |
| 09:30.59 | Ivanovic | Talad: all you really can do is make him select which of those two (any maybe you hinting which is likely to be more successful) |
| 09:31.05 | SRabbelier | Talad: we tell them "tough luck", same thing |
| 09:31.19 | Talad | there is one of the two which is better, so I will probably select that one |
| 09:31.21 | Ivanovic | s/any/and |
| 09:31.38 | Talad | I wanted to know if it's possible to split, and I understand the answer is no. |
| 09:31.51 | SRabbelier | Talad: correct |
| 09:31.57 | Talad | ok |
| 09:32.00 | SRabbelier | Talad: just like it's not possible to submit applications late |
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| 09:32.23 | SRabbelier | what we can do is move an application to another (related) org, if desired |
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| 09:33.06 | Talad | how does moving to another org fix the issue? |
| 09:33.22 | Talad | you mean moving just the second proposal to another org? |
| 09:33.30 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: It doesn't, that's only modification that's allowed. |
| 09:33.42 | Talad | ah ok |
| 09:33.54 | Talad | no, that one is not helpful in this case |
| 09:33.55 | MatthewWilkes | If people could split applications it would be gamed, they'd submit one, develop another into it and ask it to be split |
| 09:34.01 | MatthewWilkes | imho, that is |
| 09:34.30 | Talad | MatthewWilkes: well, surely should be exceptional and in this case there are really two proposals into it. |
| 09:34.34 | Talad | but ok, no problem |
| 09:34.37 | Talad | it's not a big deal |
| 09:34.44 | Talad | we will select the best one of the two |
| 09:34.58 | Ivanovic | Talad: the rule is "there are no exeptions! at all!" |
| 09:35.07 | Ivanovic | (makes things easier with deadlines and whatnot) |
| 09:35.11 | MatthewWilkes | !exception |
| 09:35.13 | MatthewWilkes | wonders |
| 09:35.13 | ajedwards | good morning! 2 weeks to go |
| 09:35.26 | kai | !extension | MatthewWilkes |
| 09:35.26 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "extension" is not planned. |
| 09:35.29 | SRabbelier | @exceptions | Talad |
| 09:35.36 | SRabbelier | kblin: what's this now |
| 09:35.41 | kai | SRabbelier: I've switched to ! |
| 09:35.45 | SRabbelier | kai: oh! |
| 09:35.49 | SRabbelier | !exceptions | Talad |
| 09:35.57 | SRabbelier | maybe that's just not a factoid :P |
| 09:36.01 | kai | yeah |
| 09:36.09 | Ivanovic | you could add it |
| 09:36.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 09:36.11 | SRabbelier | @learn exceptions as There will be no exceptions. No exceptions. |
| 09:36.18 | SRabbelier | ups |
| 09:36.20 | SRabbelier | !learn exceptions as There will be no exceptions. No exceptions. |
| 09:36.20 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "exceptions" is There will be no exceptions. No exceptions. |
| 09:36.28 | SRabbelier | !exceptions | Talad |
| 09:36.28 | gsocbot | Talad: "exceptions" is There will be no exceptions. No exceptions. |
| 09:36.30 | SRabbelier | there we go |
| 09:36.50 | kai | SRabbelier: I tried to set ! and @ as prefix chars, and that should be possible, but that seems to trigger an error |
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| 09:36.58 | SRabbelier | d'oh? |
| 09:37.02 | SRabbelier | kai: what error is that? |
| 09:37.14 | SRabbelier | never knows whether to address kai or kblin |
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| 09:40.53 | kai | SRabbelier: that only a certain regex of chars are allowed |
| 09:41.14 | kai | both ! and @ work alone, and it's supposed to be a space-separated list of single chars |
| 09:41.38 | kai | "Value must contain only ~!@#$%^&*()_-+=[{}]\|'";:,<.>/?" |
| 09:43.13 | kai | I think it's a bug |
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| 09:45.12 | SRabbelier | kai: weird |
| 09:45.14 | kai | haven't found the time to trace it yet, only noticed it this morning :) |
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| 09:53.52 | rrix | Have organisations been told how many slots they have? /me can't find it on his dashboard or anything |
| 09:54.30 | SRabbelier | rrix: not yet |
| 09:54.45 | rrix | Okiedoke |
| 09:54.50 | rrix | danke, SRabbelier :) |
| 09:54.56 | SRabbelier | np |
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| 09:56.06 | |Kev| | Carol said on Friday (I think) that she'd be sending a monster mail about this before tomorrow, I think. |
| 09:57.20 | rrix | Right on. Just wanted to make sure that I didnt miss anything |
| 09:57.25 | rrix | is going to sleep now |
| 09:57.33 | rrix | keep up the awesome work, everyone :) |
| 09:58.32 | SRabbelier | rrix: g'night :) |
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| 10:44.28 | ajedwards | nishmu, are you concerned that you have withdrawn your application inadvertently? |
| 10:45.01 | |Kev| | nishmu: I don't know. I would advise not clicking it unless you're certain you wish to withdraw. |
| 10:45.09 | nishmu | ajedwards: Yes i had accidently clicked withdraw button, but while it was still processing it, I quickly clicked update. |
| 10:45.25 | ajedwards | I'm actually not sure of this, as I haven't withdrawn an application.. but the status of your application should be "pending" currently |
| 10:45.29 | |Kev| | You can see at the top of your application if it's withdrawn. |
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| 10:45.53 | nishmu | ok i will have a look |
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| 10:49.27 | nishmu | its pending.. so the propsoals fine. |
| 10:50.01 | nishmu | may be the withdraw button can be moved a bit away from "update" button. |
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| 11:02.37 | gsocbot | liuw: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 11:36.32 | binary_crayon | Hello, is there anyone from the Gephi group? |
| 11:37.01 | MatthewWilkes | !anyone | binary_crayon |
| 11:37.01 | gsocbot | binary_crayon: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 11:40.44 | DarthGandalf | !next foo |
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| 11:41.55 | gsocbot | DarthGandalf: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 11:41.58 | gevaerts | Nice :) |
| 11:42.04 | DarthGandalf | Yeah. |
| 11:42.23 | DarthGandalf | Though bot's nick changed ;) |
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| 11:44.01 | gevaerts | Well, technically it's not the same bot :) |
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| 13:08.28 | logiclord | Is there any upper limit on number of slots for a organization ? |
| 13:09.30 | |Kev| | Not theoretically, I think, slots are allocated by Carol and Chris. |
| 13:09.32 | ojwb | logiclord: not as such |
| 13:09.51 | MatthewWilkes | logiclord: New orgs shouldn't expect more than 5 |
| 13:09.55 | ojwb | there's the number of unique students who have applied to you, of course |
| 13:10.04 | sri13 | !logs |
| 13:10.05 | gsocbot | sri13: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 13:10.13 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: 1 or 2, I believe, is the current suggested max for new orgs. |
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| 13:10.19 | MatthewWilkes | speaking as a medium sized org, we don't expect to get more than 10, we've had 3-8 before |
| 13:10.24 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Yeah, but 5 is the limit |
| 13:10.24 | |Kev| | !slots |
| 13:10.25 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 13:10.27 | MatthewWilkes | !slots |
| 13:10.28 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 13:10.33 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 13:10.48 | logiclord | thanks |
| 13:10.54 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Dammit :) |
| 13:11.02 | |Kev| | We'll probably be asking for 6 and desperately hoping not to get fewer than 4. |
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| 13:12.11 | |Kev| | We have far more students that we both could mentor, and seem to be good quality, but 6 that mentors say they really want, and 4 that are exceptional. |
| 13:12.47 | MatthewWilkes | I can't speak for plone anymore, but I suspect we're going to be either 5/3 or 7/4 |
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| 13:13.33 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes , how's things? |
| 13:13.52 | MatthewWilkes | hi thebolt, you're up late aren't you? |
| 13:14.02 | MatthewWilkes | Pretty good thanks, how're you? |
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| 13:14.40 | in3xes_ | !help |
| 13:14.40 | gsocbot | in3xes_: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 13:15.02 | MatthewWilkes | !commands |
| 13:15.05 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm |
| 13:15.08 | MatthewWilkes | !factoids |
| 13:15.09 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "factoids" is To see all factoids, /msg socinfo factoids search #gsoc * |
| 13:15.12 | MatthewWilkes | there we go |
| 13:15.14 | in3xes_ | Can I see all the things gsocbot learned ? |
| 13:15.18 | MatthewWilkes | in3xes ^^^ |
| 13:15.27 | gevaerts | !factoids | in3xes_ |
| 13:15.27 | gsocbot | in3xes_: "factoids" is To see all factoids, /msg socinfo factoids search #gsoc * |
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| 13:15.44 | gevaerts | tells MatthewWilkes about the new shiny bot features :) |
| 13:15.56 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: actually.. no, i am not.. i'm in sweden right now :) |
| 13:15.59 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: I know them |
| 13:16.07 | MatthewWilkes | !learn this cookie as for you |
| 13:16.07 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "this cookie" is for you |
| 13:16.13 | MatthewWilkes | !this cookie | gevaerts |
| 13:16.14 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "this cookie" is for you |
| 13:16.21 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 13:16.25 | gevaerts | And neat trick :) |
| 13:16.26 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: came here this wednesday evening, staying a month |
| 13:16.31 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Nice :) |
| 13:16.49 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: You ever read http://satwcomic.com/ ? |
| 13:17.01 | thebolt | i know of it, but don't follow it |
| 13:17.08 | MatthewWilkes | Found it the other day |
| 13:17.11 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, how I laughed |
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| 13:18.14 | sfb | thebolt: Are you the one that has to go to Sweden when you're suffering a bacon deficiency? |
| 13:18.40 | thebolt | sfb: nope |
| 13:18.45 | thebolt | sfb: i had tog o here for work :) |
| 13:19.12 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: so where are you at right now? |
| 13:19.27 | thebolt | still traveling back and forth? ;) |
| 13:21.45 | sfb | haha |
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| 13:21.51 | sfb | Apparently he's travelign right this moment. |
| 13:21.54 | sfb | wb |
| 13:21.56 | thebolt | hehe :) |
| 13:22.01 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Sorry |
| 13:22.03 | MatthewWilkes | I filled my HD and it locked up |
| 13:22.05 | MatthewWilkes | damn swap |
| 13:22.06 | thebolt | :P |
| 13:22.11 | MatthewWilkes | I'm in bärlin at the moment! |
| 13:22.25 | MatthewWilkes | Going to england for Easter, dunno when I'm next in no |
| 13:22.29 | MatthewWilkes | I was expecting last week, but didn't happen |
| 13:23.13 | thebolt | heh ok |
| 13:23.40 | MatthewWilkes | Nice and sunny now though |
| 13:24.29 | thebolt | Also wish I was in Norway right now, bt oh well, need to be here and work |
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| 13:25.57 | brik | anything happening in norway? |
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| 13:26.56 | thebolt | a very good friend of mine is there right now vacationing.. although she is coming here friday (for 10 days) so its ok to work atm :P |
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| 13:27.27 | Talad | Question!! |
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| 13:27.39 | brik | :) |
| 13:27.44 | Talad | I know we should not tell the students if they have been selected until google say so |
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| 13:28.02 | Talad | that's fine also because until the duplication meeting and slots assigned you are never sure of who will be in |
| 13:28.25 | Talad | but I assume we can tell the ones which are are not going to select. |
| 13:28.28 | Talad | is that correct? |
| 13:28.49 | Talad | reason being that we want to have a round of interviews only with the top 30 |
| 13:28.49 | |Kev| | Google request, afaik, that you not tell them anything until after final slots are announced. |
| 13:29.16 | |Kev| | I don't see a problem with just asking 30 for interview, I don't think you need to explicitly say "And you're not in!" to the others. |
| 13:29.29 | Talad | well, it will be pretty evident |
| 13:29.43 | |Kev| | Although I don't really see the harm in saying "Thanks but no thanks" to them, I think only Carol can answer it. |
| 13:29.43 | Talad | also I think will be fair to them |
| 13:29.44 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: You say you know they've applied for another and which one would they prefer |
| 13:30.08 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: It is evident, but don't say it, that's for google to confirm |
| 13:30.14 | Talad | MatthewWilkes: I don't know if they applied for another |
| 13:30.26 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: You will at the dedupe meeting |
| 13:30.30 | Talad | MatthewWilkes: ok, that is what I need to know |
| 13:30.41 | Talad | if carols or SRabbelier can confirm that I will not say it |
| 13:30.43 | MatthewWilkes | in fact, you'll know a bit before that |
| 13:30.49 | Talad | otherwise if I can it will be easier |
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| 13:32.22 | |Kev| | Talad: Also, how will the other students know that the top 30 were selected for interview? They can't see the comments on each other's proposals. |
| 13:32.52 | Talad | |Kev|: they are all in our IRC channels |
| 13:32.56 | Talad | and asking like ... every minute :) |
| 13:33.13 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: Hmm, you can say "This proposal isn't at the standard we'd like" etc |
| 13:33.16 | Talad | so I will have to run separate interview, and be all "under the hood"... |
| 13:33.24 | camilasan | |Kev|: what kind of interview is that? |
| 13:33.26 | Talad | MatthewWilkes: right, that was my idea |
| 13:33.45 | MatthewWilkes | I've said that on one already |
| 13:33.47 | Talad | saying the quality of the proposal is low and they are not preferred candidates |
| 13:34.07 | Talad | so we are going to run interviews with the top 30 or so |
| 13:34.40 | Talad | this will release a bit of tension to them, and allow us to start to create a stronger bond with the top candidates |
| 13:35.28 | SRabbelier | hi |
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| 13:35.32 | SRabbelier | someone called? |
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| 13:35.47 | ojwb | I think if you tell some of them something, you'll just get more clamouring for info |
| 13:36.19 | ojwb | better to just have a flat "google ask us not to announce who will be accepted and who won't before 25th" |
| 13:37.03 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: tl;dr Talad wants to interview the best students and not spend time on the ones that aren't good enough, is it ok for him to tell them that they didn't make the grade, or should be be subtle? |
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| 13:38.12 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: why tell them at all? just invite the ones you want, and don't say anything to the ones you don't, if the not-invited ask about it, just tell them you're "not interested in interviewing them at this time" |
| 13:38.19 | Talad | do you want me to tell nothing to the "non preferred" until google say so? |
| 13:38.30 | SRabbelier | (keep your options open in case most of the 30 turn out to be bad and you need to interview more) |
| 13:38.37 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: This is Talad, not me. :) |
| 13:38.41 | SRabbelier | Talad: right, and don't explicitly tell the ones you want ot interview that they're the best 30 |
| 13:38.52 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: yeah, thinko |
| 13:39.04 | MatthewWilkes | slaps SRabbelier with a large trout |
| 13:39.16 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Carol asked us not to get violent :P |
| 13:39.27 | Talad | don't kill animals at least! |
| 13:39.49 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: she's not here right now, and surely you wouldn't snitch? |
| 13:39.53 | Talad | mmm.. ok, so you prefer to have no explicit statement until the 25th |
| 13:40.04 | ojwb | dberkholz: your graph picks the division exactly where I did... |
| 13:40.12 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: how do you know she's not hiding ;) |
| 13:40.18 | SRabbelier | Talad: exactly |
| 13:40.30 | Talad | SRabbelier: can I consider that an official answer? you think carols will be of the same advise? |
| 13:40.45 | SRabbelier | Talad: yes, I do think she will say the same, and if not it's on me |
| 13:40.51 | Talad | ok, good |
| 13:40.52 | Talad | thanks |
| 13:40.55 | Talad | I will do that |
| 13:41.12 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I don't, but if she is, she wouldn't reveal that by using information gained by it in an obvious way :) |
| 13:41.28 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: there's always !logs |
| 13:41.53 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: true. Anyway, if things go wrong we'll take the easy way out and assume you talked ;) |
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| 13:42.02 | ojwb | waves - hello carols! |
| 13:42.03 | SRabbelier | lol |
| 13:42.10 | SRabbelier | chortles at ojwb |
| 13:42.12 | mlankhorst | morning |
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| 13:43.38 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: indeed |
| 13:44.09 | thebolt | hi mr mlankhorst |
| 13:44.34 | mlankhorst | hello :) |
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| 13:45.28 | kai | man, I really need to brush up my matlab skillz |
| 13:45.57 | SRabbelier | kai: why would you want to do that |
| 13:46.22 | mlankhorst | faculty(infinite) = infinite; faculty(N) = faculty((N+1)!)/N ? |
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| 13:46.33 | mlankhorst | iirc matlab could work with infinity :P |
| 13:46.43 | kai | SRabbelier: I need to create pretty colorful pictures for my biologists |
| 13:46.59 | SRabbelier | ah :) |
| 13:46.59 | bobbens | kai: pymatplotlib |
| 13:47.02 | bobbens | or whatever it's called |
| 13:47.04 | mlankhorst | ugh |
| 13:47.13 | mlankhorst | faculty(infinite) = infinite; faculty(N) = faculty((N+1)!)/(N+1) |
| 13:47.17 | mlankhorst | correct definition |
| 13:47.18 | mlankhorst | :D |
| 13:47.28 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: scary |
| 13:47.58 | mlankhorst | SRabbelier: don't worry, matlab allows arbitrarily sized integers and won't fall over on the 64-bits limit ;) |
| 13:48.13 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: reassuring |
| 13:48.14 | thebolt | mlankhorst: that cannot be correct, you do a double factorial there ;) |
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| 13:48.36 | mlankhorst | thebolt: functional programming man |
| 13:49.11 | thebolt | hm, atually, what function is that? Not any I have ever seen :P |
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| 13:49.42 | thebolt | certainly not a factorial function at least ;) |
| 13:50.16 | thebolt | the result will be some kind of half-double-factorial-function |
| 13:50.39 | mlankhorst | sure it is, factorial of infinite is infinite, F(N+1) = F(N) * (N+1) so F(N) = F(N+1)/(N+1) |
| 13:50.58 | kai | bobbens: I'm not too fond of that. I also use that for a program we have at work, and it's a bit buggy when run without a GUI |
| 13:51.02 | thebolt | mlankhorst: sure, but you have fac((n+1)! |
| 13:51.06 | thebolt | and ! is usually factoorial |
| 13:51.09 | thebolt | factorial* |
| 13:51.13 | mlankhorst | woops :P |
| 13:51.23 | mlankhorst | you're right, that exclamation mark needs to go |
| 13:51.34 | thebolt | hence some strange almost-double-factorial ;) |
| 13:52.17 | Denin | !next |
| 13:52.17 | gsocbot | Denin: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 13:52.44 | bobbens | kai: whatever floats your boat, I generally use that and gnuplot :) |
| 13:52.55 | dreimark | !next |
| 13:52.55 | gsocbot | dreimark: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 13:52.58 | bobbens | plotting is probably one of the ugliest things to do in matlab |
| 13:53.28 | kai | bobbens: probably, but I get to import the data from the excel files my users send me |
| 13:53.55 | bobbens | exporting to csv isn't that hard :) |
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| 13:55.12 | kai | :) |
| 13:55.28 | kai | actually I'm mainly still scratching my head what the heck to do with this data |
| 13:55.59 | bobbens | and at least use octave |
| 13:56.00 | kai | I have the suspicion that they scatter differently, but the means and medians don't look too different |
| 13:56.02 | bobbens | instead of matlab :P |
| 13:56.30 | kai | bobbens: but we've got a campus license, and I've got a matlab book for free :) |
| 13:56.56 | kai | to be honest, I mostly have it installed for the bioinformatics toolbox |
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| 14:10.56 | luisbg | how can I be added as a co-mentor of a project? |
| 14:12.01 | svaksha | luisbg: by the org admin |
| 14:12.18 | SRabbelier | @learn co-mentor You can be added as co-mentor once the proposals have been converted to projects, which will happen when announcing the accepted students. |
| 14:12.23 | SRabbelier | @co-mentor | luisbg |
| 14:12.27 | SRabbelier | !learn co-mentor You can be added as co-mentor once the proposals have been converted to projects, which will happen when announcing the accepted students. |
| 14:12.27 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "co-mentor You can be added" is co-mentor once the proposals have been converted to projects, which will happen when announcing the accepted students. |
| 14:12.28 | SRabbelier | !co-mentor | luisbg |
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| 14:13.27 | ojwb | !learn co-mentor as You can be added as co-mentor once the proposals have been converted to projects, which will happen when announcing the accepted students. |
| 14:13.27 | gsocbot | ojwb: "co-mentor" is You can be added as co-mentor once the proposals have been converted to projects, which will happen when announcing the accepted students. |
| 14:13.36 | ojwb | !forget co-mentor You can be added |
| 14:13.36 | gsocbot | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:13.48 | ojwb | passes the coffee to SRabbelier |
| 14:13.51 | luisbg | thanks :) |
| 14:13.53 | luisbg | thanks SRabbelier |
| 14:13.56 | luisbg | and svaksha |
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| 14:14.05 | SRabbelier | luisbg: np |
| 14:14.11 | svaksha | luisbg: :) |
| 14:14.12 | SRabbelier | ojwb: heh, it's kblin's fault for training my fingers to use @ |
| 14:14.42 | ojwb | the main issue is you forgot the "as" |
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| 14:16.01 | SRabbelier | ojwb: d'oh |
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| 14:16.19 | SRabbelier | ojwb: thanks |
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| 14:23.18 | ThomasWaldmann | Arc: did you receive mentoring requests from me and waldi? |
| 14:23.30 | ThomasWaldmann | via melange |
| 14:24.43 | kai | ThomasWaldmann: give my greetings to waldi if you speak with him :) |
| 14:25.13 | ThomasWaldmann | kai: he's on #moin-dev |
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| 14:25.41 | |Kev| | Nightrose / dberkholz : Where are we with part 3 right now? I've not looked at it (or barely) since part 2. |
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| 14:26.26 | kai | ThomasWaldmann: when I can use you as an errand boy? no way ;) |
| 14:26.29 | Nightrose | |Kev|: have been way too busy with thesis writing and gsoc stuff for kde the last days - i can try to look at it again tomorrow or maybe tonight |
| 14:27.05 | |Kev| | Did we agree on a time to aim for part3? |
| 14:27.17 | Nightrose | i think before student acceptance? |
| 14:27.33 | Nightrose | ideally before orgs really decided which students to take |
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| 14:29.19 | |Kev| | Righty. |
| 14:29.24 | |Kev| | I'll try and find some time for this then. |
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| 14:29.57 | Nightrose | ok - i will put it on my todo for tonight |
| 14:30.03 | Nightrose | but no promises really |
| 14:30.04 | Nightrose | :/ |
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| 14:30.40 | |Kev| | No, I'm not promising anything either. |
| 14:30.46 | ThomasWaldmann | kai: at least I extended my vocabulary right now :) |
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| 14:32.15 | kai | hey waldi, how's life? :) |
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| 14:33.34 | waldi | kai: i forgot lunch. so it seems to be well. |
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| 14:39.51 | waldi | boah. somehow the proposal list lost the filter for the project |
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| 14:55.08 | SRabbelier | waldi: filter for the project? |
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| 14:58.44 | waldi | SRabbelier: the proposal list had (i think) a column for the organization and it was possible to filter on it |
| 14:59.21 | ojwb | it still does, doesn't it? |
| 14:59.28 | ojwb | if not, I'm going to be upset... |
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| 14:59.52 | SRabbelier | waldi: just click the button in the bottom left |
| 14:59.59 | SRabbelier | (we've added labels in the next release) |
| 15:00.17 | waldi | ah, okay |
| 15:00.34 | waldi | thx |
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| 15:06.12 | SRabbelier | Wooooh |
| 15:06.16 | SRabbelier | Melange is on the homepage :D |
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| 15:16.49 | Uli- | SRabbelier: i've never seen our org there (except before the logo rotation feature was launched) ;( |
| 15:17.35 | SRabbelier | Uli-: ask Talad, he knows when you were up ;) |
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| 15:19.14 | Uli- | Talad: SRabbelier says you know when the ASF's logo was up on the homepage? would you mind to share that information? ;) |
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| 15:21.54 | Arc | ThomasWaldmann: yes, but Barry didn't inform me that you were a mailman mentor until just now |
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| 15:23.42 | ThomasWaldmann | Arc: it's a moin related project, for mailman |
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| 15:24.22 | ThomasWaldmann | (I wrote it into the comment of the mentoring request) |
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| 15:26.24 | Arc | ThomasWaldmann: and Barry just confirmed you so you're good. the PSF is too big for me to track down to verify that mentor requests are legit, they must come from team leads |
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| 15:28.50 | ThomasWaldmann | ah, ok, that wasn't obvious from melange |
| 15:29.31 | ThomasWaldmann | Arc: the request from waldi is for same reason |
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| 15:30.51 | Arc | ThomasWaldmann: he was taken care of too. most mentoring orgs are small enough that the org admin should know all the mentors. PSF is too big for that, so I rely on team leads. |
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| 15:31.19 | kai | Arc: you bad person ;) |
| 15:31.31 | Arc | kai: clearly :-P |
| 15:31.38 | |Kev| | And I'm relying on Arc. |
| 15:31.41 | |Kev| | Dooooooooooooom. |
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| 15:31.53 | kai | |Kev|: quaaaaake |
| 15:32.07 | kai | hai lh |
| 15:32.14 | Arc | lh?! |
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| 15:32.42 | lh | good morning kai, Arc |
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| 15:34.47 | kai | !couch | lh |
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| 15:35.17 | lh | nice |
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| 15:43.41 | SRabbelier | lh: kai wrote that ;) |
| 15:43.45 | SRabbelier | lh: also, hi |
| 15:43.57 | lh | SRabbelier: that's lovely. and hello. :) |
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| 15:45.14 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 15:45.17 | kai | SRabbelier: it's amazing. the patch looks much easier than I thought it'd be |
| 15:45.34 | lh | thebolt: happy time zone! |
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| 15:47.43 | thebolt | lh: well, i actually travelled 6 timezones last wednesday, so now i am in UTC+2 ;) |
| 15:48.03 | lh | thebolt: that sounds like unhappy timezone. |
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| 15:49.28 | kai | thebolt: back in .se? |
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| 15:51.13 | gevaerts | It's too wide! |
| 15:53.40 | Ivanovic | nah, it is just made to include the probably most important areas |
| 15:53.42 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:54.34 | kai | Ivanovic: actually I like UTC+1 more, but that's because my sundial is more correct in that timezone |
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| 15:55.12 | Ivanovic | yeah, in theory utc1 is better, but utc2 here means that it is summer which means that it is warmer outside which is good |
| 15:55.45 | kai | that's a good point |
| 15:55.59 | kai | now I just need a laptop I can use outside in the sun |
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| 16:16.26 | thebolt | kai: yea, for a month (so until may 4th) |
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| 16:24.41 | dberkholz | Nightrose, |Kev|: i haven't looked at it much either. been busy sorting out our proposals. i'll see if i can get to it in the next couple of days |
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| 16:41.26 | SITZ | During the review process, will the orgs demand for more info in case student hasn't submitted all the details required ? |
| 16:41.43 | bitner | SITZ: that is all up to the org |
| 16:42.02 | SITZ | bitner: oh.. I see ! |
| 16:42.53 | bitner | but in my opinion, if the details weren't there at the deadline then too bad -- at this point, I feel questions and details should be used for clarification and differentiation |
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| 16:43.08 | cemycc | When the organizations will know how much students they can take ? |
| 16:43.39 | bitner | *initial* slotting is on the 14th |
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| 17:27.21 | varunvyas | Hi guys, is it only me or anyone else who has a problem seeing their proposals in Melange ?? |
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| 17:27.34 | varunvyas | carols: piing |
| 17:27.41 | carols | varunvyas: pong |
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| 17:27.58 | varunvyas | Hi, I couldn't seem to find the proposal that i have submitted in melange |
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| 17:28.08 | carols | varunvyas: you'll need to talk to SRabbelier about it |
| 17:28.11 | varunvyas | I mean it was there in my proposal page yesterday |
| 17:28.18 | varunvyas | SRabbelier: ping |
| 17:28.26 | varunvyas | oh thanks am on it :) |
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| 17:29.44 | varunvyas | brb |
| 17:29.47 | solardiz | carols: hi, and thanks for all you do! is there any need for an org (us) to provide you with reasoning on the number of slots we request? (i am thinking one paragraph or so) |
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| 17:30.38 | carols | solardiz: nope |
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| 17:31.04 | carols | solardiz: you got accepted into gsoc, i trust your opinion on the program and what your organization needs. |
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| 17:31.44 | mlankhorst | carols: what if I want a pony? |
| 17:32.05 | carols | mlankhorst: everyone has to have goals. |
| 17:32.18 | MatthewWilkes | pony? goals? |
| 17:32.22 | MatthewWilkes | Mentor summit polo match? |
| 17:32.27 | solardiz | carols: i did not mean the "trust" aspect. i meant providing what i thought could be useful input. |
| 17:32.37 | mlankhorst | mmm |
| 17:32.44 | carols | solardiz: if you're giving me a number thats the input I need :-) |
| 17:32.52 | mlankhorst | MatthewWilkes: with real horses? :) |
| 17:33.14 | gevaerts | !this cookie | MatthewWilkes |
| 17:33.14 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "this cookie" is for you |
| 17:33.17 | MatthewWilkes | mlankhorst: Well, if last year's anything to go by it'll be too cold for water polo |
| 17:33.21 | mlankhorst | or wooden hobby horses.. |
| 17:33.38 | yuvipanda | !this cookie | Me |
| 17:33.38 | gsocbot | yuvipanda: Error: No such user. |
| 17:33.41 | yuvipanda | damn |
| 17:34.06 | yuvipanda | smart bot |
| 17:34.09 | yuvipanda | pets the bot |
| 17:34.11 | yuvipanda | goes back to work |
| 17:34.20 | solardiz | carols: thanks. what about a second number: we might be giving a couple of slots back to the pool if some students don't complete their qualifying tasks as well as we expect them to (this is in progress). useful input? |
| 17:34.24 | mlankhorst | !help > yuvipanda |
| 17:34.25 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: Error: There is no command "> yuvipanda". |
| 17:34.28 | mlankhorst | >:( |
| 17:34.39 | carols | solardiz: sure, thanks |
| 17:34.39 | MatthewWilkes | !this cookie | mlankhorst |
| 17:34.40 | gsocbot | mlankhorst: "this cookie" is for you |
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| 17:35.14 | yuvipanda | mlankhorst, i was just trying to get the bot to give itself a cookie :) |
| 17:35.56 | |Kev| | solardiz: My understanding from SRabbelier is that Melange will be updated today to take two numbers anyway. (Outstanding and 'want'). |
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| 18:19.28 | lolfrenz | !next |
| 18:19.29 | Uli- | it would be nice if the possible mentors list would also show the mentor's link_id. should i file an issue against melange? |
| 18:19.29 | gsocbot | lolfrenz: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 18:21.49 | ajedwards | !logs |
| 18:21.49 | gsocbot | ajedwards: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:22.40 | carols | Uli-: yes please. |
| 18:23.05 | dreimark | !next |
| 18:23.06 | gsocbot | dreimark: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 18:45.13 | kakazza | Hey, carols wrote in the mentor Group, that "a very long email from me will be coming from me |
| 18:45.13 | kakazza | explaining all of this this weekend |
| 18:45.23 | kakazza | dang |
| 18:45.33 | kakazza | let me try again |
| 18:46.01 | kakazza | Hey, carols wrote in the mentor Group, that "a very long email from me will be coming from me explaining all of this this weekend". Did I miss that mail or is was it not yet sent? |
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| 18:48.08 | |Kev| | Arc: PM? |
| 18:48.24 | anna | hi kakazza, I'm pretty sure it just didn't arrive yet, at least I didn't get one yet either. I bet carol has been quite busy lately.. |
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| 18:49.09 | kakazza | Ah ok. Just wanted to check if it's only me who missed it. |
| 18:49.18 | kakazza | Maybe it's coming together with the slot allocations. |
| 18:49.48 | anna | maybe |
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| 18:50.53 | Arc | |Kev|: ? |
| 18:51.15 | |Kev| | Sorry, I was asking before sending you a /message |
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| 18:51.47 | |Kev| | I'll take that as a 'yes, sure' :) |
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| 18:55.33 | Arc | im still waiting to hear dates for when thingsmare.needed |
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| 19:15.03 | carols | kakazza: fear not, you will receive it soon. |
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| 19:25.37 | g4ur4v | proposal status still pending |
| 19:25.52 | g4ur4v | just cant wait for 22nd |
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| 19:30.10 | vikash | What does status tag mean for a proposal |
| 19:30.50 | gevaerts | !pending | vikash |
| 19:30.50 | gsocbot | vikash: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
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| 19:31.07 | vikash | and what if it says accepted |
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| 19:31.15 | mmadia | that's nice, gevaerts :) |
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| 19:31.33 | vikash | ? |
| 19:32.06 | gevaerts | vikash: are you a student? |
| 19:32.10 | vikash | ya! |
| 19:32.29 | gevaerts | I don't think it should say accepted yet then... |
| 19:32.31 | dhaun | I doubt it would show accepted or rejected to students before the 25th |
| 19:32.53 | g4ur4v | i have freinds who got rejected |
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| 19:34.01 | vikash | It does! |
| 19:35.00 | gevaerts | That sounds like a bug |
| 19:35.05 | vikash | :( |
| 19:35.18 | g4ur4v | c'mon |
| 19:35.19 | vikash | my other applications still say pending though |
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| 19:35.40 | gevaerts | Well, it might indicate that the organisation wants you, but slots haven't been allocated yet, so nothing can be certain at this point |
| 19:35.48 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: one *tiny* comment: in my dashboard i still see the following line which can probably be removed: "You can now apply to Google Summer of Code." |
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| 19:35.59 | dhaun | vikash: really "rejected"? or "ignored"? |
| 19:36.32 | vikash | dhaun, didnt get you |
| 19:37.12 | dhaun | vikash: did you just say that one of your proposals was already rejected? if so, what's the exact wording of the status? |
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| 19:37.43 | ravenlock | carols: good afternoon. :) |
| 19:37.43 | vikash | It says accepted :) and NOT rejected |
| 19:37.51 | gevaerts | dhaun: that was g4ur4v |
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| 19:38.51 | dhaun | accepted or rejected - I don't think these should be displayed at this point |
| 19:39.13 | vikash | Ok! but my other applications are still pending? |
| 19:39.57 | Ophiuchi | vikash: an accepted at this time just means that the org thinks your proposal is good, not that they'll actually have enough slots to run it. |
| 19:40.17 | vikash | ok |
| 19:40.33 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: That can't be right, surely? |
| 19:40.38 | Ophiuchi | vikash: so take it as a pat on the head, but not as a promise that you'll be employed over the summer |
| 19:40.42 | MatthewWilkes | !screenshot | vikash |
| 19:40.43 | gsocbot | vikash: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 19:40.54 | MatthewWilkes | vikash: Can you give us that please? |
| 19:41.20 | vikash | ok! hope this doesnot reduce my chances in GSoC |
| 19:42.43 | vikash | ? |
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| 19:43.33 | gevaerts | It doesn't do anything. The only thing that happened is that you can see information that wasn't intended to be visible, but the information was there all along |
| 19:43.43 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Ping? You in on this? |
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| 19:48.30 | vikash | http://awesomescreenshot.com/068b73662 |
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| 19:49.23 | aseem | How is it possible ? |
| 19:49.31 | MatthewWilkes | vikash: Thanks for that. This is a bug in the system, the only authoritative answer is the official announcement |
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| 19:49.51 | vikash | MatthewWilkes, so? |
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| 19:50.41 | vikash | MatthewWilkes, So what should I do? chillout :) :p |
| 19:50.59 | MatthewWilkes | vikash: yes, chill out, try to ignore the bug, and wait for the actual announcement |
| 19:51.18 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: Fixing it up |
| 19:51.20 | vikash | ok! np though hope its true! |
| 19:51.36 | vikash | MatthewWilkes, can I /query you |
| 19:52.00 | vikash | if you dont mind |
| 19:52.04 | MatthewWilkes | madrazr: Good man, I was just trying to work out where to write the test |
| 19:52.06 | MatthewWilkes | vikash: Sure |
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| 19:52.26 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: test? |
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| 19:52.49 | MatthewWilkes | a |
| 19:53.01 | MatthewWilkes | madrazr: Yeah, to demonstrate the problem |
| 19:53.08 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: ah |
| 19:53.50 | aseem | The org should be notified too, I suppose ? |
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| 19:54.29 | MatthewWilkes | aseem: For what? A bug in melange? |
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| 19:55.19 | vikash | No dont do that please :) :) |
| 19:55.39 | vikash | believes its kind of sad |
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| 19:56.44 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: melange/tests/new_views/test_proposal_review.py if you are still looking for it |
| 19:56.51 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: or I can add it too |
| 19:57.12 | MatthewWilkes | madrazr: Thanks, I was just searching through things with proposal :) |
| 19:57.28 | MatthewWilkes | madrazr: You feel free, of course, probably faster than me |
| 19:57.42 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: you were correct actually. I changed that about 24 hours ago since I was not happy with testing proposals with proposal reviews page :D |
| 19:58.01 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: sure, btw the issue is fixed |
| 19:58.06 | MatthewWilkes | That explains why I can't see it, old clone |
| 19:58.14 | MatthewWilkes | madrazr: You rock :) |
| 19:58.23 | madrazr | MatthewWilkes: to keep SRabbelier happy, I will first commit the test and then the fix :P |
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| 19:58.55 | vikash | madrazr, I am interested in solving this bug. |
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| 19:59.11 | madrazr | vikash: sure, it is just a one liner |
| 19:59.17 | madrazr | vikash: I can help you to fix it |
| 19:59.31 | vikash | sure that would be simply awesome |
| 19:59.45 | madrazr | vikash: do you have the melange source? |
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| 20:00.08 | vikash | no I will just clone it now |
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| 20:00.32 | madrazr | vikash: cool! |
| 20:00.50 | madrazr | vikash: hg clone https://soc.googlecode.com/hg/ soc is our repo |
| 20:01.34 | vikash | mercurial? Has applied for GNOME, so seeing it after a long time |
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| 20:04.06 | madrazr | vikash: you can use the awesome git-remote-hg that Sverre has written which is available here https://github.com/SRabbelier/git/tree/working-1.7.4 ;-) |
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| 20:04.26 | madrazr | vikash: git clone hg::<hg repo URL> and you are good to go! |
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| 20:05.17 | vikash | adding changesets, adding manifests,...<taking time>... adding file changes... |
| 20:05.31 | vikash | ok and then gitk will work with that |
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| 20:07.33 | harriswong | . |
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| 20:09.49 | madrazr | vikash: btw you may want to update after the clone. I just pushed a test to demonstrate this fail :P |
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| 20:10.43 | vikash | "I just pushed a test to demonstrate this fail" ? didnt get sir |
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| 20:11.41 | madrazr | vikash: I added a test case to demonstrate that the status is being shown to Students which should not |
| 20:11.54 | madrazr | vikash: Proposal status I mean |
| 20:13.00 | vikash | ooh!! I think once the repo is cloned I will understand in a much more better fashion |
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| 20:15.24 | vikash | I am sorry but hg is taking time |
| 20:16.11 | madrazr | vikash: it does, it takes quite some time |
| 20:16.29 | madrazr | vikash: for our repo |
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| 20:18.44 | vikash | ok! sorry to keep you waiting |
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| 20:19.41 | Julian | Hello there, I have an issue with a submitted proposal. May I ask for help, here? |
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| 20:20.18 | gevaerts | !ask | Julian |
| 20:20.18 | gsocbot | Julian: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 20:20.42 | Julian | I submitted a proposal to the 'International GeoGebra Institute'. |
| 20:20.49 | Julian | One of their mentors (Michael Borcherds) told me that they cannot see my proposal. |
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| 20:20.59 | Julian | For my profile the proposal shows up under 'My Dashboard' and I can view it without problems. |
| 20:21.11 | Julian | Proposal title: GeoGebraMobile GUI Prototype Public profile name: Julian link_id: julian_lettner |
| 20:22.31 | Julian | I posted this issue on the mailing list and Sverre Rabbelier told me that a new version for the melange webapp will be deployed, which should allow me to resubmit my proposal. |
| 20:23.22 | Julian | But I do not know how I can do this / if it is already possible. |
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| 20:24.00 | vikash | did you make it public or not? |
| 20:24.00 | vikash | <Stillgoing on |
| 20:24.13 | Julian | no, it is not public |
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| 20:25.04 | vikash | try updating it and make it public and then try to ask Michael again |
| 20:26.20 | vikash | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.28 | Julian | I do not know how to update it... The only thing I can do is to add comments. |
| 20:26.48 | madrazr | Julian: vikash: you should not make your proposal public unless you want everyone in the world to access your proposal |
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| 20:26.58 | madrazr | Julian: access == read |
| 20:27.08 | vikash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:27.36 | vikash | madrazr, thanks for notifying and cloning is done! not what should I do? |
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| 20:29.58 | madrazr | vikash: this is really related to Melange development, to keep the noise low here, can we take this discussion to #melange? Can you please join that channel? |
| 20:30.39 | vikash | ya sure |
| 20:30.40 | vikash | if you want I can /query also |
| 20:31.57 | madrazr | vikash: thank you very much, this discussion off to #melange |
| 20:32.11 | vikash | madrazr, With love |
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| 20:37.42 | AlexP | They also need the url to read public proposals |
| 20:37.48 | AlexP | You can't just browse them |
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| 20:48.09 | LetterRip | the applicant review process is going well :) |
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| 20:48.24 | LetterRip | so many great proposals this year, feel like a kid in a candy shop |
| 20:48.52 | hartem | do we have to have mentors assigned by tomorrow ? |
| 20:49.31 | hartem | I am asking because according to the timeline mentor slots are going to be announced on 04.12 |
| 20:50.13 | carols | hartem: please assign mentors if you know who they will be, but slot allocations dont strictly depend on it. also, im sending out an email about this later today. take a deep breath :-) |
| 20:50.28 | gevaerts | takes one deep breath |
| 20:50.40 | gevaerts | How long do I have to hold it before I can take another one? |
| 20:51.03 | kblin | !when | gevaerts |
| 20:51.04 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "when" is later |
| 20:51.18 | hartem | the problem is that we have too many good applications and we are surely not going to be able to take them all at the end, so we thought that we should only assign mentors to the ones that we actually want |
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| 20:51.23 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Don't worry about it too much, it'll cease to be an issue shortly... :) |
| 20:51.38 | gevaerts | Ah, good :) |
| 20:52.21 | |Kev| | hartem: I've assigned mentors to those projects we would like in an ideal world (plus one backup). I have no basis for doing this, other than it seeming like a good idea :) |
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| 21:16.52 | LetterRip | i think folks get wayyy to wound up about slot allocations |
| 21:16.56 | LetterRip | too |
| 21:17.12 | Ivanovic | LetterRip: this happens every year, 100% normal |
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| 21:17.21 | ajedwards | people are wound up? |
| 21:17.26 | ajedwards | life's too short! |
| 21:17.31 | gevaerts | s/about slot allocations// :) |
| 21:17.32 | Ivanovic | there are 1000 different ideas of what could be done how, though none would really improve what there is currently |
| 21:17.42 | Ivanovic | (especially since the current system does actually work decently!) |
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| 21:21.07 | kblin | carols: can I haz pony? |
| 21:21.22 | carols | kblin: for you kai, of course. |
| 21:21.26 | kblin | yay! |
| 21:21.27 | gevaerts | I want *two* ponies! |
| 21:21.37 | kblin | !no | gevaerts |
| 21:21.38 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
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| 21:21.53 | gevaerts | See? It worked! I got something! |
| 21:22.04 | kblin | :D |
| 21:22.04 | gevaerts | eats the cookie :) |
| 21:23.01 | Ivanovic | wants to eat the pony instead |
| 21:23.07 | Ivanovic | hmm, tender meat... |
| 21:23.09 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:26.01 | kblin | !pony | Ivanovic |
| 21:26.01 | gsocbot | Ivanovic: "pony" is No, you can't pick the color of your free pony, and eat it, too. See !cake |
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| 21:26.34 | gevaerts | kblin: he didn't want to pick the colour! |
| 21:26.36 | hartem | !cake |
| 21:26.37 | gsocbot | hartem: "cake" is (#1) not a lie anymore, 'cause lh got us some., or (#2) verily omnomnom |
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| 21:27.13 | kblin | gevaerts: close enough |
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| 21:27.34 | Ivanovic | when i eat the pony i don't care much about the color |
| 21:27.54 | Ivanovic | unless the meat itself is colored green, what shall people see when my mouth is full of green blood? |
| 21:28.04 | Ivanovic | that i am out of some censored shooter from the nineties? |
| 21:28.25 | AlexP | ponies have copper based blood? |
| 21:28.34 | AlexP | are they related to octopuses? |
| 21:28.55 | gevaerts | Is that the correct plural of "octopus"? |
| 21:29.04 | AlexP | gevaerts: One of them, yes |
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| 21:29.11 | AlexP | The other is octopodes |
| 21:29.15 | gevaerts | AlexP: so it's plural is plural? |
| 21:29.24 | AlexP | octopi on the other hand is not correct :) |
| 21:29.30 | gevaerts | Well of course it's not |
| 21:29.37 | gevaerts | Everyone knows it's octopii! |
| 21:29.46 | AlexP | that too is not allowed :) |
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| 21:30.12 | MatthewWilkes | AlexP, gevaerts: Actually, octopi is correct, see http://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/octopi.jpeg |
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| 21:30.35 | AlexP | MatthewWilkes: Heh, mea culpa :) |
| 21:30.35 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:31.26 | LetterRip | oh - here is a handy resource - if you can't pass all of the quizes with a 90+% correct, you propobably are not ready for a gsoc for those languages - http://www.cprogramming.com/quiz/ |
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| 21:32.16 | gevaerts | has to get the C spec to make sure... |
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| 21:33.20 | gevaerts | Ah, the quiz is wrong! |
| 21:33.47 | LetterRip | which - there were 1 or 2 i found on their larger test that i thought were wrong |
| 21:33.55 | gevaerts | C basics |
| 21:34.05 | gevaerts | Second question |
| 21:34.18 | LetterRip | is main() not required? |
| 21:34.26 | gevaerts | Only in a hosted environment |
| 21:35.07 | gevaerts | Well, the first question is related of course |
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| 21:35.49 | |Kev| | Or if statements, question one. |
| 21:36.05 | ajedwards | the first question of C basics can be overriden by using stblib's exit_success etc.. |
| 21:36.10 | |Kev| | As none of them are true, they just evaluate to true when tested as a boolean. |
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| 21:36.25 | |Kev| | But I think we're splitting hairs :p |
| 21:36.52 | gevaerts | We're not! |
| 21:37.03 | beng-nl | just you ;) |
| 21:37.06 | gevaerts | If a "basics" quiz is wrong, what hope is there? |
| 21:37.08 | ajedwards | i tend to define my own boolean when using c, out of habit now.. |
| 21:38.20 | gevaerts | Pointers 5 and 6 are also wrong |
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| 21:38.47 | ajedwards | depends if you use calloc... |
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| 21:38.57 | gevaerts | no, why? |
| 21:39.12 | ajedwards | cause if you use calloc, then they're all wrong answers on 5 |
| 21:39.46 | gevaerts | hint: what are the keywords in C? |
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| 21:40.54 | gevaerts | thinks that the difference between a keyword and a function in the standard library is rather important |
| 21:41.03 | ajedwards | lol |
| 21:42.09 | ajedwards | what amuses me is how many BAD C books are published |
| 21:42.42 | gevaerts | "Teach yourself bad C in 21 days!" |
| 21:43.06 | ajedwards | i'm sure the technical reviewers don't even compile the code, let alone apply standard checking to it |
| 21:43.28 | gevaerts | Technical reviewers? What's that? :) |
| 21:43.31 | ajedwards | hehe |
| 21:44.30 | gevaerts | bah, this quiz is bad... |
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| 21:45.34 | LetterRip | hmm basics tend to be 'true enough' |
| 21:45.34 | gevaerts | C functions is actually wrong in a very non-nitpick sense |
| 21:45.44 | ajedwards | it's almost as bad as when I had to explain signals to my C tutor at university |
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| 21:46.09 | levyx070 | Wow, what class was that? Hopefully not an Operating Systems course. |
| 21:46.14 | LetterRip | technically wrong, but generally correct |
| 21:46.16 | LetterRip | like 99% of science courses |
| 21:46.37 | ajedwards | it was algorithms and data structures (C) |
| 21:46.49 | gevaerts | "void funct();" is *not* a correct C99 prototype |
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| 21:48.46 | gigabytes | gevaerts: why not? |
| 21:49.12 | gevaerts | It should be "void funct(void);" |
| 21:49.31 | ajedwards | the (void) is redundant though.. but heh |
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| 21:50.08 | gigabytes | gevaerts: () is not the same as (void) |
| 21:50.13 | gevaerts | Maybe it is, but if you're doing a "which one is wrong" question, make sure the "correct" ones are actually correct |
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| 21:50.22 | ajedwards | fair.. |
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| 21:50.32 | gigabytes | so if you say () is (), if you say (void) is (void)... |
| 21:50.40 | gigabytes | both are correct |
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| 21:51.14 | llnz | funct() is varible args, whereas funct(void) is no args |
| 21:51.43 | ajedwards | has it used void main() anywhere? books seem to do that a lot |
| 21:52.27 | gigabytes | main() or main(argc, argv) are both correct |
| 21:53.08 | ajedwards | my issue was with the return type, not the parameters |
| 21:53.23 | gigabytes | hm yeah |
| 21:53.32 | gigabytes | void is wrong as the return type |
| 21:53.34 | ajedwards | stack corruption on exit is not what you want.. |
| 21:54.20 | gevaerts | wants to see a reference for () being correct in a prototype |
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| 21:55.15 | gevaerts | also should really refrain from language lawyering when he has a headache |
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| 21:56.25 | ajedwards | i had to use MS VC++ at university (we had to hand in a project solution) and the sample code was riddled with use of "new"... which when compiled threw hundreds of errors because it's obviously a keyword in c++. reason 19292 why not to use VS for C. |
| 21:56.28 | Triskelios | that's not true, it just happens to work in popular calling conventions --> main() or main(argc, argv) are both correct |
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| 21:57.53 | ajedwards | melange "status" disappeared? |
| 21:58.49 | gevaerts | Oh well, I guess we can say that if you can find errors on http://www.cprogramming.com/quiz, you probably *are* ready for gsoc :) |
| 21:59.09 | LetterRip | gevaerts: yeah |
| 21:59.14 | ajedwards | gevaerts, any advice for speeding up the next 2 weeks though ;) |
| 21:59.24 | LetterRip | gevaerts: passing the quizes or finding errors are both adequate :) |
| 21:59.49 | Triskelios | ajedwards: #if defined(__MSC_VER) && !defined(__cplusplus) #define new msvc_sucks |
| 21:59.57 | ajedwards | lol |
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| 22:00.47 | gevaerts | still has to write this test case that he thinks will trip up lots of compilers |
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| 22:02.51 | LetterRip | gevaerts - i think it would best be described as 'which of the following answers is least wrong' :) |
| 22:03.26 | gevaerts | :) |
| 22:04.03 | AmineKhaldi | hi |
| 22:04.27 | josip | t/ |
| 22:04.33 | josip | oops, sorry |
| 22:04.39 | gevaerts | LetterRip: have a look at typecasting 3 |
| 22:04.47 | AmineKhaldi | as an organization, do we need to assign mentors to all our proposals before tomorrow ? |
| 22:05.04 | AmineKhaldi | (ie before the slots allocation is announced) |
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| 22:08.02 | LetterRip | oh just looked at the application proposal and notice the new fields '#amazing' and '#desired' |
| 22:08.04 | LetterRip | will update those |
| 22:08.40 | marcosroriz | I haven't received any comment |
| 22:08.46 | marcosroriz | does this mean that I wont pass? ='( |
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| 22:09.23 | gevaerts | It doesn't mean anything |
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| 22:10.27 | marcosroriz | ok!1 so I still have chances! |
| 22:10.58 | Triskelios | AmineKhaldi: carols said she was going to send an email clarifying this, there also hasn't been any clear answer so far |
| 22:11.43 | marcosroriz | anyolne |
| 22:11.45 | marcosroriz | *anyway |
| 22:11.50 | marcosroriz | I'll go read some articles |
| 22:11.50 | marcosroriz | :D |
| 22:12.07 | Triskelios | but my understanding is that we strictly don't have to have the assignments before the 22nd, but they do count somehow in the slot assignments |
| 22:13.29 | marcosroriz | guys |
| 22:13.35 | marcosroriz | english is not my main language |
| 22:13.48 | marcosroriz | what does the expression "Beam me up" means? |
| 22:13.58 | thiago_home | Star Trek |
| 22:14.06 | ajedwards | it's a star trek reference, beam me up scotty... |
| 22:14.07 | gevaerts | It's a quote from some TV series I think |
| 22:14.14 | mlankhorst | beam me up scotty, there's no intelligent life down here |
| 22:14.22 | marcosroriz | Beam is the beam from xray? |
| 22:14.36 | marcosroriz | I mean the physical beam:? |
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| 22:14.55 | Nephirus | nope, it's transport beam technology |
| 22:15.15 | marcosroriz | ohh, so like teleport? |
| 22:15.20 | marcosroriz | the teleport ray!? |
| 22:15.38 | Nephirus | yes, something like that |
| 22:16.02 | marcosroriz | On the book that I'm reading, the preface says: "Beam me up Scottie!" "We cannot do it! This is not STar Trek's Enterprise. This is early years Earth.! |
| 22:18.08 | marcosroriz | thanks for the info |
| 22:18.09 | marcosroriz | :) |
| 22:18.13 | thiago_home | the interesting thing is that there was never the phrase "Beam me up Scotty" on the series |
| 22:18.47 | gevaerts | Is that *interesting*? |
| 22:18.51 | gevaerts | runs :) |
| 22:18.54 | ajedwards | subjective. |
| 22:18.58 | thiago_home | ok, trivia then |
| 22:19.03 | mlankhorst | wow and then you have a trekkie |
| 22:19.08 | mlankhorst | storm troops, shoot at him! |
| 22:19.09 | mlankhorst | :D |
| 22:19.12 | mlankhorst | troopers* |
| 22:19.25 | thiago_home | pffft, storm troopers can't shoot straight |
| 22:19.40 | ajedwards | if they could, that would have been a shorter movie |
| 22:20.16 | ajedwards | anyone know where the "status" has gone from the proposals in melange? |
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| 22:22.14 | carols | ajedwards: SRabbelier can help |
| 22:22.24 | ajedwards | ah cheers carols |
| 22:22.33 | SRabbelier | hi |
| 22:22.40 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: it's not visible to students anymore |
| 22:23.10 | ajedwards | ah :( |
| 22:23.18 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: you should however be able to resubmit/withdraw your proposal now |
| 22:23.18 | ajedwards | fair enough.. :) |
| 22:23.39 | ajedwards | I do see those options |
| 22:24.12 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: you are a student? |
| 22:24.17 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: there should be buttons on the proposal review page |
| 22:24.30 | ajedwards | I am a student yes |
| 22:24.41 | SRabbelier | !screenshot | ajedwards |
| 22:24.41 | gsocbot | ajedwards: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
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| 22:26.30 | levyx070 | Huh, I wonder if the status was removed so people like me would stop obsessively checking to see that it didn't get rejected yet. |
| 22:26.49 | SRabbelier | levyx070: partly |
| 22:26.57 | SRabbelier | and also because it showed the pre-accepted state it seems |
| 22:27.26 | SRabbelier | ftr, ajedwards sent me a screenshot, and the mentioned buttons are right there |
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| 22:40.02 | Houbsi | hi @ allâ¦. what's with the new buttons on my proposal?! the pending just vanished and "Resubmit" appeared. does that means i'm rejected? |
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| 22:47.10 | SRabbelier | Houbsi: no |
| 22:47.15 | SRabbelier | Houbsi: it's the same as before |
| 22:47.20 | SRabbelier | Houbsi: at least |
| 22:47.24 | SRabbelier | Houbsi: if the "resubmit" is orange |
| 22:47.30 | SRabbelier | Houbsi: then your proposal is withhdrawn |
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| 22:51.00 | Houbsi | SRabbelier: thanks :D little schock when i saw the "pending" disappeared ;) |
| 22:52.28 | SRabbelier | Houbsi: :) |
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| 22:58.23 | marekweb | On the proposal page it says "Publicly visilbe" |
| 22:58.49 | marekweb | appears to be a typo |
| 22:59.11 | SRabbelier | marekweb: thanks |
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| 22:59.45 | carols | takes a breath and has some tea |
| 23:00.42 | dfighter | sips coffee |
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| 23:00.53 | beng-nl | coffee too |
| 23:00.59 | beng-nl | . o O ( cookie would be nice ) |
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| 23:02.50 | carols | serves some cookies |
| 23:02.56 | carols | mails to the mentors list and cookies |
| 23:02.58 | carols | you people are demanding |
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| 23:03.21 | beng-nl | oh YUM |
| 23:03.24 | beng-nl | what a TREAT! |
| 23:03.45 | SRabbelier | provides calmth and comfort |
| 23:04.16 | beng-nl | carols: it's very rewarding work to feed me cookies because it makes me so happy ;) |
| 23:04.25 | beng-nl | esp with coffee mmm |
| 23:04.29 | carols | beng-nl: yay :) |
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| 23:08.30 | camilasan_ | hi, why I dont see the item "status" in my proposal anymore? |
| 23:09.06 | DanKluev | Hehe, some kind of announcements for such changes would definitely help with amount of questions |
| 23:09.28 | DanKluev | camilasan_: its removed from student view to not confuse students with early results |
| 23:09.55 | kintec | Thanks carols :) |
| 23:10.05 | kintec | Mail was really enlightening. |
| 23:10.18 | carols | you're welcome kintec |
| 23:11.04 | camilasan_ | DanKluev: thanks :) |
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| 23:11.52 | camilasan_ | and the resubmit would be what? |
| 23:12.25 | DanKluev | camilasan_: its there to re-submit if you accidentally withdrawn your proposal |
| 23:12.54 | camilasan_ | ok |
| 23:14.23 | Triskelios | carols: thanks for the email! |
| 23:14.53 | carols | you're welcome Triskelios |
| 23:16.54 | SRabbelier | carols: should we add back the student status? :-/ |
| 23:17.08 | SRabbelier | carols: its going to say "pending" till the 25th now |
| 23:17.24 | carols | SRabbelier: could you IM me? i dont think im clear on the issues here. |
| 23:17.24 | SRabbelier | (there was some confusion between developers about what "accept proposal" should do, hence the visible status change :P) |
| 23:17.28 | SRabbelier | sure |
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| 23:19.45 | DanKluev | SRabbelier: it would be definitely helpful to see whether its withdrawn or not by text, orange/blue is confusing |
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| 23:20.21 | SRabbelier | DanKluev: good point |
| 23:20.40 | SRabbelier | DanKluev: we can do that |
| 23:20.45 | SRabbelier | add a "This proposal is withdrawn" |
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| 23:23.38 | emrecelikten | "publicly visilbe" |
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| 23:24.30 | emrecelikten | DanKluev: Agreed, orange looks like "enabled" |
| 23:25.07 | DanKluev | emrecelikten: yeah, and both orange and blue have pointer cursor and are clickable |
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| 23:26.58 | emrecelikten | DanKluev: "Enabled" not only as a button, but as a status as well. My proposal is not publicly visible, but just because "Enable" button looks orange, it seems like it is the current setting. |
| 23:27.47 | greeniekin | I just went to check my status for my proposals. and the status feild from short description has vanished |
| 23:27.49 | SRabbelier | hmph |
| 23:27.54 | SRabbelier | I'll pass this on |
| 23:28.01 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: correct |
| 23:28.08 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: it wasn't going to change anyway, so we removed it |
| 23:28.25 | greeniekin | o ok |
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| 23:28.59 | greeniekin | also "Publicly visilbe" i'm guessing is "Publicly visible"? |
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| 23:30.33 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: nope |
| 23:30.37 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: it's a new word |
| 23:30.40 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: with a hidden meaning |
| 23:30.59 | SRabbelier | (greeyes, it's a typo, fixing) |
| 23:31.12 | greeniekin | lol ok |
| 23:31.47 | greeniekin | also the colors for those options are confusing. At first i thought orange was the currently selected item |
| 23:32.16 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: suggestions? |
| 23:32.59 | greeniekin | Mybe a tick or something next to it |
| 23:34.16 | greeniekin | I do like it though. just the other day i was thinking I would like to make this public to show a friend |
| 23:34.19 | DanKluev | SRabbelier: IMHO, just stating with text like "this proposal is currently private" is least confusing |
| 23:34.38 | SRabbelier | nods |
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| 23:39.37 | greeniekin | or maybe a radio button kind of look. As that is essentially what they are(from my understanding) |
| 23:39.53 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 23:40.17 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: those don't usually auto save though :) |
| 23:40.45 | greeniekin | good point. |
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| 23:43.23 | greeniekin | SRabbelier, a lot of gui's have a inset kind of button to represent an active option. Just think of taskbars |
| 23:43.43 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: you have an example? |
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| 23:45.29 | greeniekin | SRabbelier, I don't know of any websites that do it. Only applications. Though you could do it without images in html |
| 23:45.51 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: can you make a screenshot of what you mean maybe? ^^ |
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| 23:46.05 | SRabbelier | !co-mentor |
| 23:46.05 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "co-mentor" is You can be added as co-mentor once the proposals have been converted to projects, which will happen when announcing the accepted students. |
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| 23:48.18 | greeniekin | SRabbelier, what os do you use? it's likely at the bottom of your screen. as ubuntu and windows xp(don't know about the others) have the current selected windows button pressed. |
| 23:48.48 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: aaah, yes, I see what you mean now :) |
| 23:49.05 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: understand what you mean with "inset" now |
| 23:49.42 | greeniekin | SRabbelier, the only issue is i dont think it's common on websites. |
| 23:50.00 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: yeah :( |
| 23:50.13 | SRabbelier | we could use the standard enable/disabled look |
| 23:50.17 | SRabbelier | which is what we tried to go with :) |
| 23:50.23 | SRabbelier | but apparently it's not obvious enough with our custom css |
| 23:51.45 | DanKluev | SRabbelier: pointer cursor on disabled buttons is part of confusion, removing it should help a bit |
| 23:51.47 | greeniekin | yah. It's surprisingly difficult to come up with a good solution for something so simple |
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| 23:53.14 | marcosroriz | congratz for the cool software infrastructure (is it called melange?)! This year it's really cool :D |
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| 23:54.10 | SRabbelier | marcosroriz: yes it is Melange :) |
| 23:54.18 | SRabbelier | DanKluev: we'll start with doing that :) |
| 23:54.30 | greeniekin | SRabbelier, o wait i get it now. The orange one is the the button that can be pressed. |
| 23:54.47 | SRabbelier | greeniekin: right ^^ |
| 23:58.25 | greeniekin | I reckon just a white tick on the currently selected one. Then get rid of the disabled button. |
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| 23:59.24 | greeniekin | by i get rid of i just mean change all buttons to publicly_visible-enable |
| 23:59.41 | brewster | out of curiosity what is the resubmit button for? |
