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| 00:02.11 | ojwb | I did the template spreadsheet for graphing application rate - there are some instructions in the sheet: http://survex.com/~olly/gsoc-proposal-graph.ods (only useful to org admins and mentors...) |
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| 00:24.43 | selenamarie | hi! a mentor got an email today that says "click here" but there's no link |
| 00:24.56 | selenamarie | he's responding to "invitation to become a mentor" |
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| 00:26.17 | ojwb | selenamarie: he should be able to accept it from his dashboard I think |
| 00:26.34 | ojwb | though the lack of a link sounds like a bug... |
| 00:26.51 | selenamarie | ojwb: yeah that was new |
| 00:27.23 | ojwb | selenamarie: how's things? |
| 00:27.36 | selenamarie | ojwb: very good! how about you? |
| 00:27.41 | ojwb | not bad |
| 00:27.55 | selenamarie | was disappointed to hear about the 7.1 earthquake near .jp |
| 00:28.05 | selenamarie | we have a lot of pg developers near tokyo |
| 00:28.06 | agliodbs | crap, another one>? |
| 00:28.27 | agliodbs | selenamarie: including a GSOC student who hasn't submitted yet |
| 00:29.32 | ojwb | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0002ksa.php |
| 00:29.54 | ojwb | so about 10 hours ago |
| 00:29.55 | selenamarie | agliodbs: yeah. |
| 00:30.03 | agliodbs | selenamarie: we might appeal to carolS if he doesnt' get it in because of the quake |
| 00:30.33 | ojwb | it's quite a way from tokyo |
| 00:30.59 | dukeleto | selenamarie: stop causing trouble in here |
| 00:31.12 | selenamarie | ojwb: that's good :) |
| 00:31.36 | selenamarie | dukeleto: i feel like that implies that i *just started* a few minutes ago. |
| 00:31.44 | agliodbs | it's on the same fault |
| 00:31.48 | agliodbs | an aftershock |
| 00:31.49 | agliodbs | gods |
| 00:32.07 | dukeleto | selenamarie: nope, I know you have been causing trouble for a while |
| 00:32.12 | agliodbs | selenamarie: when do you get to Santa Clara? |
| 00:32.20 | selenamarie | agliodbs: monday! |
| 00:32.24 | agliodbs | ah, ok |
| 00:32.32 | selenamarie | i'll be in SF sunday though. have some peeps to catch up with. |
| 00:32.52 | agliodbs | ah, I'm driving down Sunday night |
| 00:32.58 | agliodbs | since I have a tutorial 9am monday |
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| 00:33.49 | selenamarie | agliodbs: ah cool. my hotel is mon-thurs, so i'm gonna stay in sf on sunday |
| 00:35.01 | agliodbs | selenamarie: I'm staying with Jeff |
| 00:35.36 | agliodbs | selenamarie: I gave up on the idea of doing hands-on for my tutorial |
| 00:35.43 | agliodbs | I can't make it work in 3 hours |
| 00:35.49 | agliodbs | people will just have to watch me do it |
| 00:36.40 | yffbrave | hi, folks |
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| 00:37.44 | ojwb | agliodbs: "keep up if you dare" |
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| 00:41.59 | agliodbs | ojwb: heh. it's a clustering tutorial |
| 00:42.01 | lolfrenz | can I give a link to my proposal besides the one on the URL? |
| 00:42.15 | lolfrenz | mine seems to contain the id of the proposal, others' proposal links don't seem to have that |
| 00:42.40 | lolfrenz | some user posted a link like http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/user/x/y |
| 00:42.58 | lolfrenz | mine looks like http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/x/uid |
| 00:43.45 | ojwb | documents are different |
| 00:44.01 | ojwb | you can (or could at least) create documents in melange |
| 00:44.10 | ojwb | but those are separate to proposals |
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| 00:44.23 | lolfrenz | good enough. how do I create these documents? |
| 00:46.43 | ojwb | lolfrenz: well, I'm not sure how (or even if) you can in the new UI |
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| 00:47.02 | ojwb | perhaps those users created them before it was launched? |
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| 00:47.20 | lolfrenz | if only I could guess the URL |
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| 00:48.12 | ojwb | can't you just mark your proposal as public? |
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| 00:56.59 | zubin71 | hi, isnt there a provision to edit the proposal i had submitted a while ago? |
| 00:57.04 | zubin71 | we could do it last year |
| 00:57.16 | zubin71 | oopsi |
| 00:57.22 | scgtrp | yes |
| 00:57.26 | zubin71 | my bad, found the update button |
| 00:57.27 | zubin71 | sorry |
| 00:57.28 | scgtrp | click the giant orange update button |
| 00:57.30 | scgtrp | ;) |
| 00:57.36 | zubin71 | ;) |
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| 01:09.51 | asleo | is there a way to remove a comment in the proposal? I submitted a comment withou content, and the melange put 'None' in the comment |
| 01:10.02 | asleo | s/withou/without |
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| 01:10.43 | agliodbs | asleo: no. bug's been filed about that, not resolved |
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| 01:11.37 | asleo | agliodbs: ok, thanks :) |
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| 01:58.34 | sdubois | my friend wants to know if the deadline is midnight (as in 2 hours) or does he have all day tomorrow to apply |
| 01:59.00 | dfighter | !next |
| 01:59.01 | socinfo | dfighter: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 01:59.29 | dfighter | http://time.is/UTC |
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| 02:00.12 | dongxv_ | test |
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| 02:00.34 | bd_ | sdubois: You have just under 17 more hours. |
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| 02:07.10 | pxl9 | hi |
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| 02:22.44 | Kylepan | I wonder can I add comments of my proposal after the application submitting deadline. I've read the FAQ but cannot find the answer. Can Anyone who knows kindly tell me? |
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| 02:24.03 | pxl9 | im sure you could just contact the mentor |
| 02:24.18 | pxl9 | and let them know directly |
| 02:24.49 | pxl9 | but no, i dont know about the comments |
| 02:25.32 | dberkholz | Kylepan: yep, comments are fine |
| 02:26.40 | Kylepan | pxl9: Yeah..Its a good method:) |
| 02:27.11 | Kylepan | dberkholz:Clear. Thank you:) |
| 02:27.35 | dberkholz | Kylepan: hi, btw. good to see your proposal |
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| 02:29.49 | Kylepan | dberkholz::) It's my first time to perticipate GSoc. I'm trying my best to do it well. Thanks for your encouragement |
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| 02:30.07 | dberkholz | Kylepan: do you normally go by kyle or is that just for english-speaking people? |
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| 02:33.16 | Kylepan | Kyle is my english name for convenienct to english-speaking people. The directly pronuciation translation(pinyin methon) of My Chinese name is Jiale |
| 02:35.20 | dberkholz | Kylepan: ah, i see. i was wondering why your proposal showed up under a different name |
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| 02:39.59 | Kylepan | deberkholz:ah.. you mean you see my proposal showed up with Jiale? |
| 02:40.15 | dberkholz | Kylepan: yep |
| 02:41.12 | dberkholz | Kylepan: just fyi, there is a #gentoo-soc channel that you can hang out in if you have any questions for us |
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| 02:42.41 | Kylepan | oh..Maybe It's bettter I'll consider going to modified my profile to avoid confusion later.. |
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| 02:44.42 | Kylepan | dberkholz: I've already joined #gentoo-soc from the beginning..but mostly I've just idle on..So maybe I'll try to speak more,hehe |
| 02:45.32 | shayden | anyone know of any contact info for the SETI gsoc project? |
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| 02:45.49 | shayden | on irc, i means |
| 02:45.58 | Kylepan | just leave for a while, I'll get my system rebooted:) |
| 02:46.28 | ojwb | shayden: if they don't advertise an IRC channel in their contact info in melange, they probably don't want to hear from you on IRC |
| 02:46.38 | dberkholz | shayden: look at their page in melange |
| 02:46.41 | ojwb | quite a few orgs just don't use IRC |
| 02:46.54 | dberkholz | they have a channel, you just need to check for it |
| 02:46.59 | ojwb | they're the ones who can still get useful work done... |
| 02:47.16 | shayden | dberkholz: thx! didn't notice the chan name on the side! |
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| 03:09.54 | jay_t | hi |
| 03:10.14 | jay_t | its written status:pending below my proposal..is it sposd top be like that? |
| 03:11.20 | ojwb | jay_t: yes |
| 03:11.55 | ojwb | currently it's either pending or withdrawn I think |
| 03:12.21 | jay_t | ok..so theres no final submit button for proposal...as long as its not wothdrawn..its on the gsoc page? |
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| 03:14.59 | dberkholz | yeah, those icons for contact methods are a real nightmare |
| 03:16.11 | dberkholz | there isn't one of the useful ones that actually works in my browser, i have to decipher what it's attempting to do |
| 03:17.05 | ojwb | dberkholz: I added clearer contact links in the HTML for us |
| 03:17.25 | dberkholz | ojwb: perhaps that's why you've been getting more proposals =P |
| 03:17.30 | ojwb | maybe |
| 03:17.51 | ojwb | I've tried to smooth over all the silly obstacles like that |
| 03:18.09 | ojwb | though there's a fine line between that and too much hand holding |
| 03:19.47 | pypt | hi, I'm planning to propose implementing a certain API for one of the projects. what do you think would be a smart way to divide the implementation work into a dated schedule? |
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| 03:20.32 | pypt | some sort of percentage, "by June 30: 30%, ..." sounds silly to me |
| 03:21.10 | ojwb | pypt: a bit hard to measure for most APIs |
| 03:21.39 | ojwb | can't you just describe it - "by June 30: support for the targeting scanner API" |
| 03:22.10 | ojwb | also tells us that you have (or haven't) thought about the dependency ordering |
| 03:23.47 | pypt | well, it's the API for various UI controls (text field, text box, etc.), so they look mostly independent from each other to me |
| 03:24.14 | pypt | (http://www.anthemion.co.uk/mobile/docs/mobile/manual/html/annotated.html, the "wxWidgets goes mobile", to be exact) |
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| 03:32.49 | zubin71 | hmm i dont see my proposals when i go to my dashboard :/ |
| 03:33.12 | ufo23 | Hey , I have one question |
| 03:33.23 | ufo23 | is a proposal mandatory for a project? |
| 03:34.22 | ojwb | ufo23: yes, no proposal, no chance |
| 03:34.59 | skbohra | ufo23: this is how it works. |
| 03:35.01 | ojwb | zubin71: check the filtering options? |
| 03:36.37 | zubin71 | duno every now and then it appears then it goes off :/ |
| 03:36.48 | ufo23 | ojwb: yes, but proposal is an idea how to make the software better can we use the already accepted projects as a proposaal? |
| 03:36.50 | zubin71 | np now i have the link to it bookmarked >-/ |
| 03:37.03 | zubin71 | im not sure i like the newer socghop.appspot. layout that muchy |
| 03:37.06 | zubin71 | much* |
| 03:37.11 | zubin71 | it was sinpler, neater |
| 03:37.15 | ojwb | ufo23: no, you need to write your own |
| 03:37.15 | zubin71 | simpler* |
| 03:37.16 | hypatia | ufo23: you can start with those, but the application will require much more than the ideas |
| 03:38.00 | ojwb | proposals which are just a paste of the idea from the list with some personal details won't get you anywhere |
| 03:38.02 | hypatia | ufo23: consider the ideas from the org websites as a starting point. you will need to draw up a project plan, timeline, deliverables, etc |
| 03:38.27 | hypatia | ufo23: does that make sense? |
| 03:39.18 | ufo23 | hypatia: actually it doesn't I will be starting to work on a project I haven't worked before so how should I already know the project plan and timeline |
| 03:39.28 | ufo23 | hypatia: ? |
| 03:39.49 | hypatia | ufo23: you have to make estimates on what the timeline will be |
| 03:40.01 | hypatia | ufo23: and give the deliverables in more detail |
| 03:40.16 | hypatia | ufo23: which means you need to research the project idea you're looking at |
| 03:40.24 | hypatia | ufo23: is that clearer? |
| 03:41.14 | ufo23 | hypatia: ok so I need to research what the project is all about and then come up with new ideas how to improve it and define a timeline for achieving the goals right? |
| 03:41.17 | ojwb | ufo23: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/writing-a-proposal/ has some general guidance |
| 03:41.26 | ojwb | though different orgs look for different things |
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| 03:44.03 | hypatia | ufo23: most projects are happy with you using one of their ideas and making it more detailed, or with comig up with your own idea. but you should check with the project. |
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| 03:45.34 | ufo23 | hypatia: ok |
| 03:45.44 | hypatia | :) |
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| 03:48.44 | ufo23 | hypatia: can you give me an example of an derivable for any project just so that I know how that should look like? |
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| 03:51.33 | hypatia | hmm, you should look for example proposals from previous years, ufo23 |
| 03:51.50 | hypatia | ufo23: try googling for "gsoc example proposal" and let me know if you have trouble findig one |
| 03:52.10 | ojwb | there's a couple in the student guide as appendices too |
| 03:52.17 | hypatia | ah, perfect |
| 03:52.22 | hypatia | !studentguide |
| 03:52.23 | socinfo | hypatia: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
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| 03:52.26 | ojwb | perhaps a little on the short side |
| 03:52.33 | hypatia | ufo23: check that link |
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| 04:04.40 | ufo23 | hypatia: is it possible that later we change the project that we work on? |
| 04:05.14 | hypatia | ufo23: over the summer, you may end up changing the exact specifications, you're expected to work on the same general project though |
| 04:06.20 | ufo23 | hypatia: how long should a typical proposal be? |
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| 04:10.13 | skbohra | ufo23: to be frank, it's probably too late for a proposal |
| 04:10.28 | ufo23 | skbohra: reason? |
| 04:10.36 | Dark_Shikari | Why's that? |
| 04:10.39 | Dark_Shikari | There's another day. |
| 04:10.51 | ufo23 | skbohra: didn't your mama taught you never to give up? :) |
| 04:11.11 | skbohra | ufo23: generally you need to fix some bugs, talk with mentor and discuss your idea, before you submit a proposal |
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| 04:11.29 | vsrinivas | skbohra: depends on the project. |
| 04:11.39 | ufo23 | skbohra: yeah |
| 04:11.40 | vsrinivas | (wrt bugfixes) |
| 04:11.43 | ufo23 | it depends |
| 04:11.46 | ufo23 | on which projects |
| 04:11.47 | ufo23 | :D |
| 04:11.48 | skbohra | vsrinivas: that's standard now |
| 04:12.08 | vsrinivas | okay -- in DFly, we've not requested any bugfixes... |
| 04:12.23 | vsrinivas | p9/inferno didn't either last year... |
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| 04:12.51 | ojwb | not sure it's 100% standard, but certainly a lot of orgs expect it |
| 04:13.20 | dberkholz | we ask for a bugfix, but it's fine if they do it after the deadline |
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| 04:16.56 | Dark_Shikari | Yeah, after the deadline is fine |
| 04:17.10 | Dark_Shikari | get proposals in early, then just convince the mentors you're worth a damn before they have to approve you. |
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| 04:45.51 | epps | !deadline |
| 04:45.52 | socinfo | epps: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 04:51.54 | ufo23 | hello |
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| 04:52.12 | ufo23 | for some projects they don't ask for CV how is this possible? |
| 04:52.53 | ufo23 | ??? |
| 04:53.03 | ojwb | fails to understand the question |
| 04:53.31 | ojwb | what's impossible about not asking for a CV? |
| 04:53.34 | dfighter | maybe because they have tasks that are easy for beginners |
| 04:53.46 | dfighter | so it's not really necessary |
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| 04:54.31 | dfighter | don't forget gsoc is about learning too |
| 04:54.36 | ojwb | ufo23: you want to ensure the org think you're up for completing what you propose in the time |
| 04:54.36 | dfighter | so it makes perfect sense ;) |
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| 04:54.49 | ojwb | a CV doesn't actually inform that decision very well |
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| 04:55.14 | ufo23 | well ojwb I think it does especially if you have worked on a similar project before |
| 04:55.27 | ojwb | including some background information is useful, but two students could attend exactly the same classes and come away learning hugely different amounts |
| 04:55.32 | ojwb | ufo23: well, tell them that |
| 04:56.00 | ojwb | but if you can download the code, build it, fix a bug, and submit a patch, that tells me a whole lot more than a CV could |
| 04:56.48 | ojwb | and the questions you ask in the process are very informative |
| 04:57.54 | dfighter | probably why I see lots of game industry companies ask for experience and code samples rather than academic papers |
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| 04:58.24 | dfighter | ( altough most of them do mention it as a plus ) |
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| 05:07.15 | Aethaeryn | !deadline |
| 05:07.16 | socinfo | Aethaeryn: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 05:07.20 | Aethaeryn | :o |
| 05:07.27 | Aethaeryn | 13 hours :o |
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| 05:09.11 | cemycc | :) |
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| 05:23.15 | kblin | ufo23: is this something you need to discuss in private? |
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| 05:23.41 | kblin | PMing people out of the blue is considered impolite |
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| 05:29.24 | ojwb | on the plus side, reviewing many of the proposals being submitted at this point is much quicker than the ones submitted a few days ago... |
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| 05:30.52 | kblin | ojwb: you mean "spam, spam, spammity, spam" |
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| 05:31.26 | ojwb | kblin: not quite, but my "please fill in our application template" stamp is getting a workout |
| 05:31.40 | ojwb | as is my "your timeline need work" stamp |
| 05:33.02 | hypatia | i haven't had much time to go over submitted apps because of school... i've gone over those where the student has asked for feedback, though |
| 05:33.13 | hypatia | hint hint for the students in the channel :) |
| 05:35.26 | Aethaeryn | Hmm, are the @ here Google employees? |
| 05:35.37 | kblin | some of them |
| 05:35.40 | kblin | I'm not |
| 05:35.48 | ojwb | here's one where the date are written MM.DD, over the span 4.24 and 8.06 - my brain keeps reading them as times |
| 05:35.48 | Aethaeryn | Oh. |
| 05:35.55 | Aethaeryn | I just wanted to say, I'm a big Google fan. |
| 05:35.59 | kstar | hypatia++ |
| 05:36.05 | kstar | hypatia: I agree with you. |
| 05:36.06 | Aethaeryn | I carry with me my fanboy membership card, which is a Nexus One bought from Google.com ;-) |
| 05:36.13 | Aethaeryn | Since apparently not too many were sold :-P |
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| 05:39.43 | milki | werent a lot of them given out for free at google io? |
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| 05:40.54 | dfighter | I kinda like Google stuff too, but I'd not go as far as becoming a fanboi |
| 05:41.24 | ojwb | but if you're giving them out for free, I'll have one |
| 05:41.35 | hypatia | milki: no it was droids and Evos |
| 05:42.04 | ojwb | my mobile's desparately low tech |
| 05:42.12 | ojwb | it has a big clicking dial on the front |
| 05:42.25 | milki | im pretty sure the first time they did it was nexus one |
| 05:42.54 | hypatia | milki: ah, maybe. last year it was droid + evo |
| 05:43.07 | ojwb | http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=google+io+nexus+one |
| 05:43.09 | milki | ya, im talking about at least 2 years ago |
| 05:43.34 | milki | huh, that says last year |
| 05:43.45 | milki | hypatia: i win! |
| 05:44.51 | Aethaeryn | It was a January thing |
| 05:44.53 | Aethaeryn | I got it in March |
| 05:44.54 | hypatia | milki: my partner was at IO last year and got a droid and an evo... i guess it varied. we both wein :) |
| 05:44.58 | hypatia | *win |
| 05:44.58 | Aethaeryn | And by the summer it was obsolete |
| 05:45.21 | Aethaeryn | Android: Your front-of-the-pack phone is completely and utterly obsoleted in a matter of months. |
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| 05:46.06 | kblin | how's that different than other electronics? |
| 05:46.40 | Aethaeryn | Well, usually it takes about a year :-P |
| 05:47.23 | kblin | and you have data to back up that claim? :) |
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| 05:49.19 | Aethaeryn | kblin: *Data*? What do I look like? A scientist? |
| 05:49.49 | Aethaeryn | It's just self-evident. |
| 05:49.53 | Aethaeryn | ;-) |
| 05:50.45 | kblin | Aethaeryn: I guess if you were a scientist, you couldn't afford to buy a smartphone, so fair enough |
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| 05:53.59 | chx | OK we have a new low: someone re-filled a rejected proposal frm last year. It's not only poor quality but the template has drastically been rewritten this year and it's crystal clear the student didnt evne look. |
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| 05:54.28 | ojwb | nice |
| 05:54.30 | hypatia | chx: :( :( |
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| 05:55.22 | chx | we have hidden nonexisting words in the 2009/2010 template in places that students are very unlikely to change and so i have solid proof that'sthe case :D |
| 05:55.43 | kblin | haha |
| 05:55.52 | chx | i am an evil man. |
| 05:56.14 | ojwb | full proposal: title: developer / short desc: i am a php developer want to attend the code training. |
| 05:56.25 | milki | lolz nice |
| 05:56.28 | chx | ojwb: lol we always have a ton of them |
| 05:56.36 | ojwb | chx: words like "nonexisting"? |
| 05:56.42 | dfighter | wow |
| 05:56.44 | chx | ojwb: no, words like "alocalmentor" |
| 05:56.52 | dfighter | I'm starting to feel a decent candidate |
| 05:56.57 | ojwb | hmm, I might correct that for you |
| 05:57.02 | chx | ojwb: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2010/drupal |
| 05:57.10 | ojwb | dfighter: when the stats say 5500 |
| 05:57.10 | dfighter | after reading those |
| 05:57.27 | ojwb | proposals, that probably includes at least some of these |
| 05:57.32 | kblin | I've had someone propose writing a Tomcat-based web server in Java for a project that clearly states "needs to update existing server written in C" |
| 05:57.38 | hypatia | !eligibility |
| 05:57.39 | socinfo | hypatia: "eligibility" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 05:57.40 | chx | LOL! |
| 05:57.44 | dfighter | lol |
| 05:58.09 | dfighter | ojwb I see |
| 05:58.11 | dfighter | but still |
| 05:58.14 | dfighter | these are just |
| 05:58.16 | dfighter | shocking |
| 05:58.25 | chx | there is the other end |
| 05:58.31 | chx | someone have filed an applicaiton |
| 05:58.35 | chx | it was rock solid |
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| 05:58.52 | dfighter | I mean OK, I've been in communities where 13 year olds who can build software call themselves developers |
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| 05:59.12 | chx | but alas, it was something basically that crell and me have discussed heavily three years ago and said no we are not doing that |
| 05:59.33 | chx | it was so solid i have sent a ping around all interested mentors to find a good project for him and we found one :) |
| 05:59.51 | dfighter | nice |
| 05:59.55 | chx | dfighter: dont overestimate 13 year olds! we had someone who started at 11 and pwnd everyone hard. |
| 06:00.14 | chx | dfighter: he was 12 when he was giving a tech talk at Google. That kid is incredible. |
| 06:00.21 | milki | wow~ |
| 06:00.21 | dfighter | Im not underestimating them |
| 06:00.22 | dfighter | also |
| 06:00.30 | dfighter | look at the entire sentence that I typed :) |
| 06:00.40 | chx | :) |
| 06:00.45 | dfighter | the age specification was just one facto |
| 06:00.45 | dfighter | r |
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| 06:01.11 | pypt | mentors, how many applications do your projects get approximately? |
| 06:01.20 | milki | !poll |
| 06:01.22 | socinfo | milki: "poll" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
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| 06:01.37 | pypt | oh, OK |
| 06:01.38 | chx | pypt: there was a thread on the admin list |
| 06:02.02 | chx | mentor list |
| 06:02.04 | chx | whatever :D |
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| 06:02.26 | chx | that kid btw is an org admin because he is way too young to run as a student :D |
| 06:02.59 | ojwb | pypt: it really varies too widely to be useful |
| 06:03.22 | milki | chx: i hear about this kid every year |
| 06:03.28 | chx | no wonder |
| 06:03.47 | milki | gsoc likes to talk about him |
| 06:04.06 | chx | well, how many mentors do you have who are too young to be a gsoc student :D ? |
| 06:04.17 | sumzup | who is this |
| 06:04.18 | sumzup | ? |
| 06:04.22 | chx | Dmitri Gaskin |
| 06:04.30 | ojwb | chx: I'm too polite to ask their ages... |
| 06:04.42 | milki | you can tell when they get to the summit at least... |
| 06:04.43 | chx | ojwb: well, we meet them physically |
| 06:04.52 | chx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mwKq7_JlS8 here's his tech talk |
| 06:05.17 | milki | also they request tshirt sizes |
| 06:05.18 | milki | :P |
| 06:05.20 | ojwb | chx: not mine, their mums won't let them out to play |
| 06:05.30 | sumzup | wow, I'm already impressed |
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| 06:07.53 | sumzup | although I can't really watch the video |
| 06:08.06 | chx | i will never forget -- a nick appears and extremely quickly becomes maintainership of a fairly important project and in general does solid work. and then merlin pings me on irc and he says, i met him at the local dug (drupal user group) and he can't be more than 14 and then he have disclosed being 12 at badcamp (berkeley area drupalcamp) . when i first met him in Boston, sorry but my first thought was "jesus this kid is small!" :D |
| 06:09.18 | merosage | i'm impressed |
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| 06:10.21 | sumzup | I suddenly feel extremely incompetent :P |
| 06:10.38 | chx | Hahahaha yes |
| 06:10.47 | chx | welcome to the club |
| 06:11.15 | dfighter | wow |
| 06:11.17 | merosage | phew, it's not just me then |
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| 06:11.51 | sumzup | still, I suppose genius kids are nothing new |
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| 06:12.04 | merosage | true |
| 06:12.04 | chx | yes, but open source contributors genius kids are :D |
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| 06:12.16 | sumzup | there's no reason for me to give up on becoming awesome |
| 06:12.17 | merosage | also, true |
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| 06:13.03 | jrabbit | sumzup: just start writing Awesome into Other feilds. |
| 06:13.51 | chx | him becoming 13 was a relief because we were dancing on the edge of illegality due to COPPA. I am sure that's a good law but it gave us some major headaches. |
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| 06:14.15 | chx | I so understand Google not allowing below-13 year olds into Google Code-In |
| 06:14.55 | jrabbit | chx: i think it was limited to high school specifically.. |
| 06:15.15 | chx | jrabbit: no, it was limited to 13+ exactly because of that law |
| 06:15.26 | Dark_Shikari | no |
| 06:15.28 | chx | jrabbit: these kids skip 1-2 grades easily so |
| 06:15.29 | Dark_Shikari | GCI was 13-18 |
| 06:15.33 | hypatia | it's because of COPPA |
| 06:15.36 | jrabbit | Thats odd, they had to get a parental permission anyways. |
| 06:15.41 | Dark_Shikari | GCI had a *maximum* age. |
| 06:15.50 | chx | that's what i said |
| 06:16.03 | chx | they did not allow below 13 year olds because of COPPA |
| 06:16.03 | hypatia | ah, so you did |
| 06:16.04 | hypatia | :0 |
| 06:16.07 | hypatia | er :) |
| 06:17.09 | Dark_Shikari | chx: I don't think you have to worry about open source with COPPA, at least in many cases |
| 06:17.21 | chx | Dark_Shikari: *ahem* |
| 06:17.21 | Dark_Shikari | I recall looking at it a while back that most of its provisions only applied to commercial enterprise. |
| 06:17.27 | chx | Dark_Shikari: check freenode policy |
| 06:17.38 | Dark_Shikari | Nobody reads or follows those. |
| 06:17.39 | chx | Dark_Shikari: you can't register a nick if you are below 13 because of COPPA |
| 06:17.54 | chx | Dark_Shikari: just registering on drupal.org violated that I am fairly sure but IANAL. |
| 06:17.54 | jrabbit | technically thats not true. |
| 06:17.56 | Dark_Shikari | Sounds like paranoia. |
| 06:18.13 | jrabbit | It just establishes onerous paperwork to be done |
| 06:18.40 | Dark_Shikari | I doubt nicknames count as personal information. |
| 06:18.45 | Dark_Shikari | er, screen names. |
| 06:18.52 | Dark_Shikari | Freenode doesn't ask for your real name. |
| 06:19.01 | Dark_Shikari | Also |
| 06:19.13 | Dark_Shikari | "The Act applies to websites and online services operated for commercial purposes that are either directed to children under 13 or have actual knowledge that children under 13 are providing information online. Most recognized non-profit organizations are exempt from most of the requirements of COPPA." |
| 06:19.36 | chx | *recognized non-profit org* |
| 06:19.37 | Dark_Shikari | Google is commercial, so they have to care, but your typical open source project probably doesn't. |
| 06:19.54 | Dark_Shikari | chx: anyone who isn't commercial is also exempt, naturally |
| 06:20.23 | chx | Dark_Shikari: i saw do not want to figure that out. |
| 06:20.28 | jrabbit | Feels like cover your ass legalese |
| 06:20.29 | chx | s/saw/so |
| 06:20.39 | Dark_Shikari | jrabbit: pretty much. |
| 06:20.44 | chx | of course |
| 06:20.52 | jrabbit | which just means the law is utterly pointless |
| 06:21.19 | chx | when we were raising money for Dmitri to come to Boston we needed to actually raise money for his father to come because he was speaking there and we were worried that it would look like child labor. |
| 06:21.47 | Dark_Shikari | ... there's no law against people under 13 working. |
| 06:22.12 | Dark_Shikari | When I was 12, I worked over the summer doing computer repair and support to earn money to build my first computer. |
| 06:22.30 | chx | Dark_Shikari: http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/ChildLaborPamphlet2000.html |
| 06:22.38 | chx | Dark_Shikari: that's another thing i do not want to figure out |
| 06:22.54 | Dark_Shikari | ... but he's not working. |
| 06:22.56 | ojwb | When I was 12, we were still being stuffed up chimneys |
| 06:22.56 | Dark_Shikari | Or being paid. |
| 06:23.18 | chx | Dark_Shikari: in general i like to err very very wildly on the good side of the law. |
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| 06:23.52 | Dark_Shikari | And let me guess, you don't want kids to visit their relatives, because it might "look like child labor"? |
| 06:24.00 | Dark_Shikari | Maybe they shouldn't go to a friends' house. |
| 06:24.03 | Dark_Shikari | It "looks like child labor". |
| 06:24.09 | chx | Dark_Shikari: now now |
| 06:24.14 | Dark_Shikari | They definitely shouldn't go to the store and buy something for the family. |
| 06:24.17 | Dark_Shikari | That *really* looks like child labor. |
| 06:24.26 | Dark_Shikari | Better not let your kid do the groceries. |
| 06:24.30 | jrabbit | The internet being for things other than pornography? |
| 06:24.32 | chx | Dark_Shikari: the community was raising more than 1000 dollars so he could come to a conference where he was giving a session |
| 06:24.35 | jrabbit | Unlikely. |
| 06:24.38 | ojwb | or chores for pocket money |
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| 06:24.46 | Dark_Shikari | Better not let your kid sell lemonade! |
| 06:24.51 | Dark_Shikari | Or mow lawns. Or rake leaves. |
| 06:24.58 | chx | Dark_Shikari: um |
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| 06:25.12 | chx | Dark_Shikari: that's obviously a very different category..... |
| 06:25.16 | dfighter | wel better not send 'em to China, that might REALLY look like child labor |
| 06:25.37 | Dark_Shikari | chx: yes, in that case they're actually working hours and getting paid! So it's clearly much worse. |
| 06:25.50 | jrabbit | Dark_Shikari: actually thats probably illegal if they're successful and don't pay taxes |
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| 06:26.25 | Dark_Shikari | jrabbit: I think the cutoff for taxes is higher than that. |
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| 06:26.28 | Dark_Shikari | The minimum income, that is. |
| 06:26.33 | Dark_Shikari | Unless they really earn a lot. |
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| 06:26.39 | jrabbit | Dark_Shikari: not in muncipalities |
| 06:26.43 | Dark_Shikari | I didn't earn enough to pay taxes until I was ~18 or so |
| 06:26.56 | jrabbit | Commercial taxes and regulation can apply |
| 06:26.57 | Dark_Shikari | municipalities typically charge property tax, not income tax |
| 06:26.59 | jrabbit | it depends alot |
| 06:27.12 | ojwb | "Who will benefit from your project and in what ways? End Users" |
| 06:27.15 | Dark_Shikari | and this is the cancer killing the US |
| 06:27.30 | jrabbit | every so many years another "kid fined for selling lemonade" story is trotted out |
| 06:27.36 | chx | Dark_Shikari: for example that conference made him skip school a few days. The cases you list are hours outside of school. Do not be so quick to mock me. |
| 06:27.59 | Dark_Shikari | chx: what about clubs that result in missing school? |
| 06:28.05 | Dark_Shikari | Those are, technically, outside of school. |
| 06:28.19 | Dark_Shikari | What about Boy Scouts? |
| 06:28.36 | chx | that CL pamphlet clearly says "Twelve and thirteen-year-olds may be issued permits to work in the occupations permitted to them on a "regular school holiday, during the regular vacation of the public school..., and during a specified occasional public school vacation..." but not on any regular schoolday, either before or after school" |
| 06:28.36 | sumzup | I'm sure there is paperwork to be done for all of those |
| 06:28.48 | chx | so: careful. |
| 06:28.50 | Dark_Shikari | I'm mocking you because attacking entrepreneurship in this fashion is absurd. |
| 06:29.03 | chx | blinks |
| 06:29.03 | Dark_Shikari | this is why kids are afraid to do things for themselves |
| 06:29.06 | Dark_Shikari | because nobody lets them. |
| 06:29.09 | ojwb | it's the american way |
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| 06:29.15 | chx | actually he is doing consultant work. |
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| 06:29.27 | chx | but that's now that he is older |
| 06:29.30 | Dark_Shikari | I started my first business at 12. Thank god you weren't there to tell me to stop. |
| 06:29.42 | chx | shrugs |
| 06:29.45 | chx | i have better things to do |
| 06:30.05 | chx | you do not understand a word of what i siad (i was just telling stories) and you are not a lawyer |
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| 06:30.51 | jrabbit | bah I have parts off did he leave? |
| 06:31.01 | sumzup | yes |
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| 06:31.13 | jrabbit | Boy Scouts is totally child labor though, just for a non-profit |
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| 06:42.50 | oy | hello, somehow I miss the organisation next to the proposals in melange. How to get that information out? |
| 06:44.14 | ojwb | oy: probably you need to click on the grid icon (lower left) and enable that column? |
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| 06:45.08 | oy | ojwb: thanks, that helped :-) |
| 06:45.17 | LetterRip | just hours away for the serious scoring to begin |
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| 06:51.13 | ojwb | and the serious spamming |
| 06:51.25 | LetterRip | spamming? |
| 06:51.29 | ojwb | turns down an offer for a payroll management system |
| 06:51.36 | LetterRip | heheh |
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| 07:44.51 | lj8175 | hi |
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| 07:52.38 | kps_foo | the timelines page is showing conflicting timings in the 2 timeline representations |
| 07:52.50 | kps_foo | is the deadline at 12:00 UTC or 19:00UTC ? |
| 07:53.14 | ihalip | 19 i think |
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| 07:53.47 | kps_foo | ihalip: I need a sure answer |
| 07:53.59 | ihalip | 19 it is then :P |
| 07:54.06 | kps_foo | ihalip: :) |
| 07:54.10 | Michitux | kps_foo: that calendar is not utc |
| 07:54.45 | kps_foo | Michitux: oh ok |
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| 07:55.13 | Michitux | kps_foo: or in other words: pacific time 12:00 = 19:00 utc |
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| 07:55.26 | kps_foo | Michitux: ok thanks |
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| 07:55.46 | kps_foo | Michitux: I didn't look at the bottom it says Pacific Time :) |
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| 07:57.14 | bkgood | the student registration form public name is supposed to be a name (like "John Smith"), not a handle, right? |
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| 08:02.20 | alpha_jet | !deadline |
| 08:02.22 | socinfo | alpha_jet: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 08:02.59 | ihalip | !timeline |
| 08:03.00 | socinfo | ihalip: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 08:04.57 | ojwb | bkgood: that would be my take on it |
| 08:05.10 | ojwb | but a lot of students don't seem to concur |
| 08:05.28 | bkgood | ojwb: I ended up just using it as that, can't imagine it'll be an issue |
| 08:05.31 | bkgood | thanks :) |
| 08:09.35 | Marchael | how much hours left until deadline? |
| 08:10.00 | ihalip | ~ 12 hours |
| 08:10.09 | Marchael | ihalip: thx |
| 08:10.11 | ojwb | less than 11 |
| 08:10.30 | ihalip | wait |
| 08:10.35 | ihalip | he's right |
| 08:10.54 | ojwb | is UTC+12, so it's quite easy for me to work out |
| 08:11.06 | ihalip | i was thinking about 21 utc |
| 08:11.12 | ihalip | and ia have no idea why |
| 08:11.56 | ihalip | oh well |
| 08:12.00 | ihalip | has to leave now |
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| 08:14.47 | Aethaeryn | !deadline |
| 08:14.48 | socinfo | Aethaeryn: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 08:14.54 | Aethaeryn | ^ That's how long until the deadline |
| 08:15.10 | Aethaeryn | 38690 seconds |
| 08:16.54 | Marchael | it`s will be better to implement countdown rather them all know information |
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| 08:44.45 | Nightrose | ojwb: is the spreadsheet from you? |
| 08:44.56 | ojwb | Nightrose: yes |
| 08:45.00 | Nightrose | ojwb: if it is: *lol* @ making it kde proof |
| 08:45.00 | ojwb | is 999 not enough? |
| 08:45.01 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 08:45.06 | Nightrose | it is so far |
| 08:45.14 | ojwb | tries to amuse |
| 08:45.22 | Nightrose | we're below 200 so far |
| 08:45.32 | Nightrose | so i think this will do just fine until applications close |
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| 08:46.08 | ojwb | it's probably possible to avoid the limit, but I'm not really a spreadsheet user |
| 08:46.22 | _ryan | hello.. |
| 08:46.34 | _ryan | I have a question regarding applications for gsoc. |
| 08:46.46 | _ryan | It says you can apply to up to 20 orgs |
| 08:46.52 | _ryan | up to 20 apps rather |
| 08:46.55 | _ryan | projects |
| 08:46.56 | ojwb | _ryan: can != should |
| 08:46.58 | Nightrose | you can submit up to 20 proposals |
| 08:47.04 | Nightrose | to as many orgs as you like |
| 08:47.08 | Nightrose | but you really shouldn't |
| 08:47.42 | _ryan | right. |
| 08:47.55 | _ryan | ok. so I'm asking because the mentor that I was talking to |
| 08:48.08 | bobbens | twitter proposals, 140 characters max! |
| 08:48.11 | _ryan | said that I should register my application/proposal with GSOC |
| 08:48.13 | _ryan | somehow. |
| 08:48.21 | _ryan | but I don't see how to do that from the site interface |
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| 08:48.35 | bobbens | register as a student, click big button that says apply |
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| 08:49.19 | _ryan | register your proposal with GSOC is what he says |
| 08:49.30 | _ryan | and, I bring up the 20 projects max |
| 08:49.38 | _ryan | because it implies that the GSOC web site |
| 08:49.42 | _ryan | will limit the number |
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| 08:50.19 | _ryan | however, there is nothing that I could find in the help files about |
| 08:50.35 | _ryan | applying to the google site, yet in the dashboard, initially, there seemed |
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| 08:51.01 | ajedwards | everyone else has managed to follow it _ryan, are you trying to tell us you can't navigate the website? because that doesn't give high hopes for your proposal |
| 08:51.23 | nickbarnesccf | when do we have to fill in the 'slots' field in our org page? |
| 08:51.28 | Ornani | hey guys, can high school students participate in gsoc? |
| 08:51.34 | ajedwards | Ornani, no |
| 08:51.40 | bobbens | !eligible |
| 08:51.41 | socinfo | bobbens: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 08:51.42 | _ryan | aje, no one has answered my question |
| 08:52.09 | bobbens | _ryan: I have not even understood your question |
| 08:52.12 | nickbarnesccf | _ryan: On the GSoC site, go to the project page, and click on the 'apply' button. |
| 08:52.18 | bobbens | in fact I don't see a '?' anywhere |
| 08:52.28 | _ryan | right, and that takes me to links to outside websites |
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| 08:52.40 | _ryan | but not to any means of applying through the google site |
| 08:52.54 | _ryan | if I have looked at the website correctly |
| 08:53.35 | ajedwards | you should be applying on google-melange.com _ryan... |
| 08:53.39 | Ornani | :( too bad, well thanks |
| 08:53.58 | ajedwards | Ornani, check out google's other student projects - might be something for you |
| 08:54.09 | ajedwards | Alternatively, take a look at openhatch? |
| 08:54.25 | nickbarnesccf | _ryan: you should be seeing an 'apply' button on the project page at the gsoc site. For instance, look at this page: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/xapian |
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| 08:54.42 | ojwb | ooh, famous |
| 08:54.57 | ojwb | is admin for xapian |
| 08:55.20 | nickbarnesccf | (picked at random from the logos on the home page) |
| 08:55.34 | ojwb | ah |
| 08:55.50 | Ornani | ajedwards, where can i find google's other student projects? |
| 08:55.54 | ojwb | braces for a surge in applications |
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| 08:55.58 | nickbarnesccf | now, as a mentor, I can't actually see an 'apply' button on that page, but I assume that there is one, because so far 15 people have used the matching button on our page. |
| 08:56.06 | ojwb | !gci |
| 08:56.07 | socinfo | ojwb: "gci" is gci is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See http://code.google.com/gci |
| 08:56.12 | ojwb | Ornani: ^ |
| 08:56.15 | _ryan | ahh.... ok |
| 08:56.22 | _ryan | it's the submit proposals button |
| 08:56.27 | ojwb | assuming it runs again, it's late in the year |
| 08:56.28 | nickbarnesccf | there you go. |
| 08:56.30 | _ryan | I'm sorry but I didn't see it before. |
| 08:56.38 | _ryan | Thank you for the info. |
| 08:58.41 | _ryan | I guess submit proposals doesn't look like a button after |
| 08:58.57 | _ryan | students: apply! is not a link |
| 08:59.01 | ajedwards | it's orange isn't it? how much more could it stick out? |
| 08:59.28 | Ornani | ojwb, thanks. I will participate in google's code-in next year. are there other similar projects what you know of? |
| 08:59.30 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeo2K9V6R8Q |
| 08:59.38 | bobbens | ajedwards: <blink> |
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| 09:00.03 | dfighter | http://youtu.be/tt_ro2aerQg |
| 09:00.04 | Ornani | ojwb, *that you know |
| 09:00.16 | ajedwards | lol! |
| 09:00.30 | ajedwards | Excellent, MatthewWilkes |
| 09:00.31 | ojwb | Ornani: there's KDE season of code - not sure what the age requirements are there (Nightrose?) |
| 09:00.39 | Nightrose | yes |
| 09:00.42 | Nightrose | no age requirements |
| 09:00.42 | ojwb | and most open source projects welcome new contributors |
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| 09:01.00 | Ophiuchi | yes please :) |
| 09:01.02 | ojwb | many are happy to mentor |
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| 09:01.22 | ojwb | Nightrose: is there a good URL to give people for it? |
| 09:01.25 | Ophiuchi | one doesn't need to participate in a program to start working on stuff |
| 09:01.32 | ojwb | Ophiuchi: exactly |
| 09:01.38 | Nightrose | ojwb: hmm let me look - one sec |
| 09:02.12 | ojwb | though it's hard to devote 3 months to it without the stipend |
| 09:02.55 | Nightrose | Ornani: ojwb: best links i can give atm are http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2010/04/26/gsoc-and-season-of-kde-2010/ and http://dot.kde.org/2010/12/29/season-kde-2010 |
| 09:03.01 | Ophiuchi | ojwb: of course, but I didn't get to do that either and look where I ended up (up to my neck in things to do, well) |
| 09:03.07 | ajedwards | ojwb, hard to code without a roof! |
| 09:03.25 | Nightrose | yeah - can't see anything on the screen |
| 09:03.26 | Nightrose | :D |
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| 09:05.44 | Ornani | Nightrose, ojwb: thanks. cya later |
| 09:05.51 | nickbarnesccf | when do we have to fill in the 'slots' field in our org page? |
| 09:06.04 | ojwb | nickbarnesccf: probably in a few days |
| 09:06.13 | ojwb | if you know now, feel free to set it though |
| 09:06.33 | nickbarnesccf | some of our mentors are very project-specific, so we won't know how many mentors we effectively have until after we've assessed all the proposals. |
| 09:06.33 | ojwb | I think carols was hoping to have the slot allocation done on tuesday |
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| 09:06.44 | ojwb | so by then I guess |
| 09:07.10 | ojwb | you can always set it at the max you'd want, and lower it, or give slots back |
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| 09:07.22 | nickbarnesccf | ok. |
| 09:07.27 | ojwb | probably beats being chased because it's still 0 |
| 09:07.55 | nickbarnesccf | and somewhere I've seen a document describing how slot allocation works, but I can't find it now. Any pointers? |
| 09:08.29 | ojwb | !slots |
| 09:08.30 | socinfo | ojwb: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 09:08.48 | ojwb | though i think that's not totally up to date |
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| 09:09.01 | nickbarnesccf | that was the document I saw, thanks ojwb. |
| 09:09.03 | ojwb | raw number of applications isn't such a factor |
| 09:09.16 | ojwb | because they realise many orgs try to prefilter |
| 09:09.53 | ojwb | and the mentors manual says new orgs are unlikely to get more than 5 |
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| 09:14.20 | Ophiuchi | and then there's effects like "a third of our proposals are for the same project" (argh) |
| 09:15.48 | ojwb | Ophiuchi: was it the first on your ideas list? |
| 09:16.32 | Nightrose | lol |
| 09:16.42 | Ophiuchi | ojwb: the third, and one of the easy ones |
| 09:16.45 | Nightrose | it is surprisingly evenly distributed for us this year |
| 09:16.51 | Nightrose | no rock-star ideas it seems |
| 09:16.55 | ojwb | Nightrose: seriusly, we had to move it down it got so bad |
| 09:17.04 | Nightrose | wow |
| 09:17.05 | ojwb | someone else noted a similar effect too |
| 09:17.08 | ajedwards | you should consider making dynamic ideas lists - mixing them up might help stop that |
| 09:17.13 | Nightrose | yeah i don't doubt it |
| 09:17.26 | ojwb | had the idea of giving out a cookie so you got a fixed randomised order |
| 09:17.42 | Nightrose | heh |
| 09:17.50 | nickbarnesccf | I doubt we could cope with more than 4 proposals, unless we get a late rush of students wanting to work on our Open Climate Project stuff (where we have four mentors ready to go, but only a couple of proposals) |
| 09:17.53 | ajedwards | ojwb, excellent... or just put a dummy idea at the top and sift out those who pick it |
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| 09:18.05 | ajedwards | is a bad man |
| 09:18.09 | ajedwards | lol |
| 09:18.11 | Ophiuchi | ajedwards: but you want applicants |
| 09:18.15 | MatthewWilkes | We've had applications for #2, #7, #9, #10, #12, #14, #15 |
| 09:18.19 | Michitux | just a third? almost a half of our proposals are for the same project. and no, it's not the first one on our list. |
| 09:18.19 | ojwb | there was an org last year or the year before who had an honeypot idea like that I think |
| 09:18.23 | ajedwards | Ophiuchi, I was joking ;) |
| 09:18.39 | ojwb | fails completely to remember who |
| 09:18.47 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, are they the simpler projects? |
| 09:18.56 | Ophiuchi | ajedwards: don't scare the students worse than they are by themselves :-P |
| 09:19.13 | ajedwards | Ophiuchi, I am a student lol |
| 09:19.14 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Don't think so - http://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2011/ideas-list |
| 09:19.26 | ojwb | java-related seems quite popular too - I think a lot of CS courses use it now |
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| 09:19.42 | ajedwards | Java is standard around here ojwb |
| 09:20.02 | MatthewWilkes | I wrote an ORM in java for Oracle |
| 09:20.04 | dfighter | I heard that in the US now it's the intro course to programming |
| 09:20.06 | MatthewWilkes | Last time I used it |
| 09:20.16 | dfighter | which is somehow kinda sad |
| 09:20.17 | nickbarnesccf | We have had a number of proposals which are all Java, which would (a) be hard for us to mentor, and (b) not plug easily into what we already do. Might still be good for our Foundation goals, I guess. |
| 09:20.50 | ajedwards | We have C and Java first - only a slight glimpse at memory management and afterwards you can explain that students have been using objects all along... and it hits them |
| 09:20.58 | nickbarnesccf | CMU teaches Standard ML and C to CS frosh. OO has been demoted to an optional course for sophomores. |
| 09:21.14 | dfighter | yea I read that in some blog |
| 09:21.19 | dfighter | interesting approach |
| 09:21.24 | ajedwards | nickbarnesccf, that's worrying... |
| 09:21.52 | MatthewWilkes | Well, universities don't really teach coding |
| 09:21.55 | nickbarnesccf | Well, they're teaching CS, not programming. If you want to learn programming, go somewhere else. |
| 09:22.03 | Michitux | dfighter: it's the same here in karlsruhe/germany and I guess in many universities. java is the only programming language we are learning a bit more in depth. |
| 09:22.05 | MatthewWilkes | they teach you to use libraries |
| 09:22.05 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, ours does... |
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| 09:22.12 | nickbarnesccf | CS is a branch of mathematics, really. |
| 09:22.50 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Mine thought it did, but it didn't really. The exercises were to show computer architecture, language design, and the fact that there are good libraries around by making you hurt |
| 09:22.51 | ajedwards | nickbarnesccf, in the UK we only have very small ties with our maths departments... |
| 09:23.00 | dfighter | nickbarnesccf yes that's true, sadly here in my country they teach SE and CS in one major |
| 09:23.05 | nickbarnesccf | ajedwards: I know. Doesn't change the fact. |
| 09:23.05 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Like, for example, making us implement a hash table |
| 09:23.08 | dfighter | so you have no choice but to do both |
| 09:23.22 | |Kev| | ajedwards: I think you may be overgeneralising there. |
| 09:23.31 | MatthewWilkes | It teaches the underlying representations and makes you think "Why the hell do I have to do this? There are libraries around." |
| 09:23.39 | dfighter | some colleges/universities go more for the math and formal parts |
| 09:23.40 | nickbarnesccf | (I was at Cambridge Computer Lab, then worked at CMU) |
| 09:23.48 | dfighter | some go more for the coding and practical part |
| 09:23.54 | dfighter | and they give you the same paper |
| 09:24.05 | MatthewWilkes | nickbarnesccf: Isn't CS at cambridge more closely tied to the natural sciences? |
| 09:24.22 | nickbarnesccf | MatthewWilkes: administratively, yes. |
| 09:24.24 | ojwb | not particular |
| 09:24.27 | ojwb | ly |
| 09:24.39 | ojwb | it used to be the same site, but isn't now |
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| 09:24.53 | MatthewWilkes | nickbarnesccf, ojwb: Interesting. I was accepted to CS at kings (didn't meet my offer) and half the first year was Physics. |
| 09:24.57 | ajedwards | |Kev|, perhaps... but the main courses are G600, G400 - and they follow the same paths... (soft eng, comp sci) |
| 09:25.08 | dfighter | Michitux not here in Hungary, but it depends on college/university |
| 09:25.11 | nickbarnesccf | when I say "CS is a branch of maths" I mean philosophically. Hardcore CS is really It's the theory of computation. |
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| 09:25.15 | dfighter | there are still places where they teach you pascal |
| 09:25.21 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: not sure how old you are, but you didn't used to be able to do compsci in the first year |
| 09:25.29 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: 24. Sorry. |
| 09:26.25 | Michitux | dfighter: some years ago the first programming language has been haskell here. |
| 09:26.25 | ojwb | no wonder you look so fresh faced! |
| 09:26.42 | dfighter | wow Michitux |
| 09:26.49 | dfighter | tbh I've always wanted to try functional |
| 09:26.53 | dfighter | never had the time sadly |
| 09:27.19 | MatthewWilkes | Michitux: First? Poor guys. At my uni it was C first, then Haskell and Java side by side (i.e. do the same thing in both) |
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| 09:28.06 | tephe | !next |
| 09:28.07 | socinfo | tephe: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 09:28.15 | ajedwards | we did Java then C and OO Java, then in second year further Java, CS, further C++, Java mobile |
| 09:28.21 | Michitux | now we are learning some parts of haskell, prolog, c++, scala, x10 in the fifth semester (also obligatory) |
| 09:28.38 | tephe | Is the application deadline 19:00 UTC or 12:00? |
| 09:28.38 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: In fact, I taught OO java before I studied it⦠|
| 09:28.58 | MatthewWilkes | There was a masters course that was low on teaching assistants, so I did it in my first year |
| 09:29.00 | Michitux | tephe: 19 UTC = 12:00 pacific time |
| 09:29.18 | MatthewWilkes | tephe: !deadline gives you a countdown clock |
| 09:29.20 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, OO Java should probably have been taught first.. imo... but heh |
| 09:29.25 | tephe | !deadline |
| 09:29.27 | socinfo | tephe: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 09:29.37 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Indeed. You know how many tests I wrote at university? |
| 09:29.38 | MatthewWilkes | one. |
| 09:29.45 | ajedwards | lol |
| 09:29.47 | tephe | ok, thank you |
| 09:29.50 | MatthewWilkes | It doesn't teach coding. It really doesn't. |
| 09:29.52 | |Kev| | I firmly believe students should be taught procedural (or possibly functional) before OO. |
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| 09:30.34 | ajedwards | fair enough - I hope to learn more about project coding from gsoc, and I'm shooting for a software development placement here in the uk (if there's any left by then..) |
| 09:30.54 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Are you a student, then? What have you applied for? |
| 09:31.21 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Were you just claiming writing unit tests doesn't help you learn to code? |
| 09:33.06 | mpr_ | does any body know how to add images to application on gsoc web page? |
| 09:33.07 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, I applied for jpf - but when I wasn't getting any feedback about my proposal I applied for a NESCent Java project |
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| 09:33.58 | nickbarnesccf | I wrote Standard ML professionally for 7 years in the 90s. |
| 09:34.09 | nickbarnesccf | Would definitely still use it today if there was decent library support. |
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| 09:35.04 | nickbarnesccf | Python is a tolerable substitute :-) |
| 09:35.23 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I'm claiming writing one in four years was absurd |
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| 09:35.37 | |Kev| | I know very little about ML, but I'd have thought Python was very very different, no? |
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| 09:35.44 | ajedwards | I've been put off learning python by the python 2, python 3 situation.. haven't found a decent 3 book and I've seen there are big changes |
| 09:35.48 | |Kev| | Doesn't ML give you functional assurances? |
| 09:35.58 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Ah, so the opposite, then. Good :) |
| 09:36.29 | ajedwards | bbs |
| 09:36.45 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: I'm on Python 2, I recommend it |
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| 09:42.08 | catalinb | !next |
| 09:42.10 | socinfo | catalinb: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 09:44.03 | sonney2k | Hmmhh some The H suggested the deadline is April 9 - http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Google-Summer-of-Code-2011-Student-application-deadline-announced-1216668.html ... |
| 09:44.36 | |Kev| | That's clearly a typo. |
| 09:44.48 | |Kev| | Given that Friday is the 8th. |
| 09:44.49 | aghisla | and the link is correct |
| 09:47.50 | sonney2k | aghisla, yeah looks like |
| 09:48.07 | Nightrose | fwiw we also started with haskel here |
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| 09:48.28 | Nightrose | and then java |
| 09:48.38 | laserbled_ | !goodenough |
| 09:48.39 | socinfo | laserbled_: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 09:49.03 | laserbled_ | !gsocable |
| 09:49.04 | socinfo | laserbled_: "gsocable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 09:49.23 | Nightrose | sonney2k: they're wrong |
| 09:49.28 | Nightrose | friday isn't the 9th |
| 09:49.39 | sonney2k | Nightrose, I wrote the author of that article an email |
| 09:49.43 | Nightrose | great |
| 09:49.44 | Nightrose | thx |
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| 09:50.06 | sonney2k | won't affect many students I think |
| 09:50.46 | MatthewWilkes | Can somebody please ask the weather to get nicer? |
| 09:50.56 | Nightrose | oh yeah |
| 09:50.57 | Nightrose | please |
| 09:51.11 | Nightrose | i went to work in a tshirt today and it is slightly too cold for that it seems |
| 09:51.12 | Nightrose | narf |
| 09:51.24 | MatthewWilkes | It was lovely yesterday and then it got to lunchtime and the cloud disappeared |
| 09:51.34 | MatthewWilkes | my office doesn't even get sun :( |
| 09:51.37 | MatthewWilkes | sun disappeared* |
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| 09:55.50 | beng-nl | oracle instead ;) ? |
| 09:56.07 | bobbens | MatthewWilkes: sorry, we're hogging all the lovely weather |
| 09:56.20 | bobbens | 20 C, all sun, not a cloud in the sky :) |
| 09:56.28 | bobbens | and it's not even windy :) |
| 09:56.31 | beng-nl | the weather rocks here (nl) too, unusually :) |
| 09:56.38 | MatthewWilkes | bobbens: Where are you? |
| 09:56.42 | bobbens | can't beat barcelona weather :) |
| 09:56.46 | MatthewWilkes | grr |
| 09:56.48 | MatthewWilkes | :( |
| 09:56.49 | bobbens | if we've got a single good thing it's the weather :) |
| 09:56.51 | beng-nl | bobbens: well that's' cheating |
| 09:57.05 | MatthewWilkes | Last sunday it was 25º in the shade, >30º in the sun |
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| 09:57.24 | bobbens | well it's starting to be too hot for me |
| 09:57.29 | bobbens | in a few months it'll be awful :) |
| 09:57.48 | MatthewWilkes | Same here |
| 09:57.51 | MatthewWilkes | 40º was too much for me |
| 09:57.58 | MatthewWilkes | i'm not looking forward to it |
| 09:58.15 | gangil | !next |
| 09:58.16 | socinfo | gangil: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 09:58.27 | gangil | !countdown |
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| 09:59.30 | MatthewWilkes | !deadline |
| 09:59.32 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 09:59.33 | MatthewWilkes | gangil: ^^ |
| 09:59.50 | gangil | thanks :) |
| 09:59.52 | aghisla | !cookie |
| 09:59.53 | socinfo | aghisla: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 09:59.58 | beng-nl | :) |
| 10:00.04 | gevaerts | !lifeline |
| 10:00.06 | socinfo | gevaerts: "lifeline" is Here, have a cookie and some coffee |
| 10:00.24 | MatthewWilkes | !tea and cookies |
| 10:00.26 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "tea and cookies" is om nom nom |
| 10:00.35 | gevaerts | !yes |
| 10:00.36 | socinfo | gevaerts: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
| 10:00.40 | gevaerts | detects a theme |
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| 10:05.58 | nishmu | Are the org members allowed to vote before the deadline? |
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| 10:12.36 | MatthewWilkes | nishmu: By default, yes. But your org admin may have disabled it. |
| 10:13.49 | nishmu | MatthewWilkes: Is a member allowed to change his vote? |
| 10:14.35 | MatthewWilkes | nishmu: yes |
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| 10:15.17 | devotedcoder | Where do we submit applications? |
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| 10:15.41 | MatthewWilkes | google-melange.com |
| 10:15.48 | devotedcoder | thanks |
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| 10:16.33 | devotedcoder | That seems to just be a mirror site of the one I was on. |
| 10:16.48 | devotedcoder | I still can't find it on the page |
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| 10:17.34 | nishmu | devotedcoder: Were you on http://socghop.appspot.com, melagne points to this. |
| 10:17.44 | devotedcoder | Yes. |
| 10:18.12 | nishmu | you have to firest login with your gmail id, then registerr,, then you will see ption of submitting proposal |
| 10:18.24 | nishmu | s/firest/first |
| 10:18.33 | devotedcoder | Ah ok. I'll try registering |
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| 10:21.35 | davidL | I'm unable to submit my proposal to Melange. What's broken? |
| 10:22.58 | nishmu | davidL: Could you describe what error made it appear broken? |
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| 10:23.53 | davidL | After I hit Submit, Firefox says "Sending request to google-melange.com..." forever and nothing actually happens |
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| 10:25.01 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, i'm considering buying Beginning Python by hetland - any thoughts? |
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| 10:25.36 | nishmu | davidL: Try clearing cache, or in another browser? |
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| 10:26.16 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: I've not read it, but I liked Dive into Python |
| 10:26.33 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: can we have a "please provide more details about your implementation plans" button? |
| 10:27.49 | Talad | I would suggest also one "if you are rushing your application at the last minute but still want to try click here" |
| 10:27.54 | ajedwards | will the version published 2004 still be relevant? |
| 10:28.04 | Talad | which links to http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
| 10:28.30 | ajedwards | haha Talad |
| 10:28.58 | Talad | I'm going to do that on web site when deadline is closed :) |
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| 10:30.02 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Yeah, the most recent one is python 3. 2004 should be fine, although it will have a few stdlib tips missing, nothing you use in day-to-day coding |
| 10:30.30 | kai | Talad: my professor has a set of rubber stamps saying "No!", "This doesn't work!", "Rubbish!" and "You'll have to think more about this part!" |
| 10:30.41 | nitish | why cant we have results soon? Waiting til 25th will kill me! :( |
| 10:31.13 | Talad | kai: cool |
| 10:31.18 | kai | nitish: we cut down the number of applicants that way because we can get rid of the ones that die in the meantime |
| 10:31.19 | MatthewWilkes | nitish: Because we have to consider the proposals, ask for more details, work out duplicates with other orgs, etc |
| 10:31.35 | kai | oh, and what MatthewWilkes said |
| 10:31.41 | MatthewWilkes | and what kai said |
| 10:31.42 | MatthewWilkes | hugs kai |
| 10:31.52 | nitish | kai, I hope I will survive! :D |
| 10:32.01 | kai | high-fives MatthewWilkes |
| 10:32.24 | MatthewWilkes | lunch! |
| 10:32.33 | kai | MatthewWilkes: mahlzeit! |
| 10:32.41 | ajedwards | is a Gantt chart a step too far for my proposal? |
| 10:32.45 | nitish | MatthewWilkes, yup true, I am way too excited about the whole thing!(Explains my submission of application on 28th!) |
| 10:32.55 | kai | ajedwards: depends |
| 10:33.03 | nishmu | kai: how does proposals dying in the meantime work? students not responding to queries? |
| 10:33.16 | ajedwards | the org requested more detail and task linking in a timeline... |
| 10:33.43 | kai | nishmu: you said the wait time was killing you. if you're dead, you're not eligible for gsoc ;) |
| 10:34.34 | nishmu | kai: noo i am not the one who asked that it was nitish. |
| 10:34.36 | |Kev| | kai: I don't think that's on the flowchart. Are you sure? :) |
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| 10:34.57 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Wartezeit |
| 10:35.07 | nitish | nishmu, :) |
| 10:35.14 | MatthewWilkes | "moment, die tests laufen grad" |
| 10:35.35 | kai | nitish: ah, right. sorry :) |
| 10:35.41 | kai | er |
| 10:35.43 | kai | ack |
| 10:35.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 10:35.48 | kai | gets some more coffee |
| 10:35.51 | nitish | lol |
| 10:35.53 | |Kev| | Good job Captain Autocomplete :) |
| 10:36.02 | kai | right :) |
| 10:36.11 | kai | nishmu: anyhow |
| 10:36.22 | kai | nishmu: the logic still applies |
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| 10:36.42 | kai | nishmu: kidding aside, proposals don't die |
| 10:37.25 | kai | but there's factors that might contribute to them being accepted or not |
| 10:38.45 | nishmu | so basically the interaction with mentors/members allows a student to improve his/her proposal till 20th. |
| 10:39.06 | nitish | nishmu, you cant update your proposal but comment. |
| 10:39.42 | nishmu | yes, but replying to comments and answering the queries of mentors, does in some way help in improving the proposal |
| 10:40.11 | nitish | yup it does. and mentors mIght even ask you do some mock up jobs. |
| 10:40.12 | kai | iirc, you can update your proposal if your mentor allows it |
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| 10:44.39 | |Kev| | kai: I know that's the intention, it wasn't clear to me if it's implemented yet. |
| 10:46.15 | kai | ah, good point |
| 10:46.29 | kai | but you can leave logical diffs in the comments |
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| 10:48.25 | vh4x0r | Can I update my profile even after the application period ends ? |
| 10:48.32 | SukhE | Yes. |
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| 10:48.38 | vh4x0r | Thanks |
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| 10:48.48 | |Kev| | Your profile, yes, your proposal no. |
| 10:49.17 | PavelP | !next |
| 10:49.19 | socinfo | PavelP: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 10:49.23 | vh4x0r | Since my contact/addresses are mentioned in the profile, it's not necessary to mention them again in the proposal right ? |
| 10:49.59 | |Kev| | Depends if you want the org to have them. |
| 10:50.07 | |Kev| | The org doesn't get the contents of your profile. |
| 10:50.17 | vh4x0r | Oh .. |
| 10:50.26 | vh4x0r | Then I'll have to add them ! |
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| 10:51.00 | |Kev| | Although I think I saw SRabbelier|Lappy say that this year orgs were getting told the mail address, where they didn't in the past. |
| 10:51.17 | |Kev| | I've not checked on our applications, I wonder if we get anything else. |
| 10:51.37 | |Kev| | Just mail address by the look of it. |
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| 10:56.40 | ojwb | vh4x0r: if the org ask, it's probably best to repeat it, even if it seems redundant |
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| 10:59.19 | chiang | !deadline |
| 10:59.21 | socinfo | chiang: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 11:12.19 | Talad | is there a way to know the total number of proposals submitted up to now? |
| 11:12.33 | ojwb | no |
| 11:12.34 | Talad | overall |
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| 11:12.52 | Talad | is it kept confidential ? |
| 11:13.06 | Talad | or just didn't create the query for it. |
| 11:13.09 | ojwb | I don't think so particularly |
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| 11:13.32 | ojwb | but it's not available to us currently |
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| 11:18.27 | Talad | I found a better URL for the countdown |
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| 11:18.33 | Talad | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2011&month=4&day=8&hour=19&min=00&sec=00 |
| 11:18.37 | Talad | is case you want to use that one |
| 11:18.46 | Talad | much less confusing and with less ads |
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| 11:19.56 | ojwb | speaking of confusing, why is the calendar in melange hard wired to pacific time? |
| 11:20.20 | ojwb | that's pretty certain to catch several people out |
| 11:20.38 | Talad | yes |
| 11:20.49 | Talad | the timezone should be specified on the deadline link as well |
| 11:20.51 | ojwb | since you need a google account to use melange, it's reason to expect it to know your TZ setting |
| 11:20.58 | ojwb | !deadline |
| 11:20.59 | socinfo | ojwb: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 11:21.03 | ojwb | it is... |
| 11:21.07 | lolfrenz | can the project admins (and whoever else will my proposal) see my profile details? (street addr, email, phone no etc.) |
| 11:21.17 | ojwb | lolfrenz: no |
| 11:21.21 | lolfrenz | ok |
| 11:21.25 | lolfrenz | thanks |
| 11:21.31 | ojwb | lolfrenz: only what you put in it, plus the title and summary I think |
| 11:21.40 | ojwb | oh, username and linkid |
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| 11:30.03 | s495 | hi |
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| 11:31.37 | s495 | hi, could some let me know where i could submit my proposal for OSGEO |
| 11:31.57 | s495 | i am not being able to find any link where i could submit my application |
| 11:32.01 | |Kev| | http://google-melange.com |
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| 11:33.24 | s495 | hmm |
| 11:33.27 | spectie | !timeline |
| 11:33.29 | socinfo | spectie: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 11:33.31 | s495 | home page |
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| 11:36.30 | nickbarnesccf | s495: go here http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/osgeo and click on "submit proposal |
| 11:36.38 | nickbarnesccf | it should be a big orange button. |
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| 11:37.04 | nickbarnesccf | assuming that you are registered. If you are not registered, you will see a link saying "Register": do that first. |
| 11:37.06 | s495 | hmm...k..thnks, |
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| 11:39.46 | sanket | Short question. Do we need to do anything specifc to be submitted, or is it there if we have completed the form atleast once ? |
| 11:39.58 | tliszka | hi |
| 11:42.22 | ojwb | sanket: you just need to submit it at least once |
| 11:42.30 | ojwb | if the status is "pending" you're good |
| 11:42.43 | DarthGandalf | What statuses exist? |
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| 11:44.24 | sanket | Yep. It is pending |
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| 11:45.40 | xJapx | hmm, my proposal status was "withdrawn" |
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| 11:45.59 | xJapx | maybe because I clicked update, and then didn't save |
| 11:46.07 | ojwb | xJapx: that probably means you clicked "withdraw" |
| 11:46.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | xJapx: you can resubmit it |
| 11:46.19 | xJapx | yeah it's what I did, seems good now |
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| 11:46.24 | xJapx | thanks god I noticed it! |
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| 11:46.48 | ojwb | wonders if you can resubmit a withdrawn app after the deadline |
| 11:46.48 | tliszka | Q: can I submit my project to several organizations? |
| 11:46.55 | xJapx | ojwb: Ah, I probably thought withdraw meant not to save the the changes I had edited |
| 11:47.02 | ojwb | tliszka: don't submit the same project |
| 11:47.16 | tliszka | oks |
| 11:47.22 | ojwb | tliszka: you can submit different proposals to several orgs, but quality counts more than quantity |
| 11:48.04 | tliszka | April 22: "score or mark students as ineligible (unless doing so as part of resolving duplicate accepted students)" |
| 11:48.32 | tliszka | so there are eligible duplicate accepted students |
| 11:48.51 | tliszka | that means several project, i see |
| 11:48.59 | tliszka | thanks for the info |
| 11:49.12 | vikash | I have submitted my application! I wanted to know how much time left 4 the same? |
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| 11:50.21 | dotnick | vikash: time left for what? |
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| 11:51.27 | vikash | application submission? |
| 11:51.40 | dotnick | !next |
| 11:51.41 | socinfo | dotnick: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 11:51.49 | dotnick | ^ |
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| 11:59.45 | htrap_ | Is there a possibility wherein2 can apply for the project? |
| 12:00.09 | |Kev| | htrap_: To work as a group? |
| 12:00.16 | htrap_ | yes |
| 12:00.16 | akashm1990 | !logs |
| 12:00.18 | socinfo | akashm1990: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:00.19 | |Kev| | No. |
| 12:00.23 | Alexia_Death_ | Hi, I have a question. Can one mentor work with two students? |
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| 12:00.49 | |Kev| | Alexia_Death_: Yes, but if it's a mentor who's new to GSoC (and even usually if not) it's a Really Bad Idea. |
| 12:00.56 | SukhE | Alexia_Death_: Depends on the mentor. But I have read it usually doesn't work out. But it's allowed if that is what you are asking. |
| 12:00.57 | Alexia_Death_ | We have project that is by nature same, but each student would get their own set of work to do. |
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| 12:01.21 | Alexia_Death_ | SukhE: that is what I was asking yes. |
| 12:01.25 | |Kev| | If the mentor isn't quite experienced with GSoC, they shouldn't consider it. |
| 12:02.02 | |Kev| | (Just because of the amount of time involved, which can be surprising to new mentors) |
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| 12:02.31 | Alexia_Death_ | |Kev|: It helps that the project logic would be identical. Just tasks would differ. |
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| 12:02.40 | |Kev| | I don't think it does help much. |
| 12:02.46 | htrap_ | I saw a project wherein it mentioned they need a team of 2 |
| 12:02.53 | |Kev| | htrap_: Where? |
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| 12:03.01 | htrap_ | in evergreen i suppose |
| 12:03.20 | |Kev| | Alexia_Death_: The issue is just that students can need many hours of attention each a week, and most people don't have that many (spare) hours in the day. |
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| 12:03.33 | Alexia_Death_ | |Kev|: GIMP has always had collective mentoring strategy. So its just not the mentor that helps the students. |
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| 12:03.54 | htrap_ | sorry its in connexions |
| 12:03.58 | Alexia_Death_ | |Kev|: So anyone who happens to be around helps the students. |
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| 12:04.11 | |Kev| | Alexia_Death_: Sure, if you have the shared mentoring capacity, there's no problem with one person working with more than one student. |
| 12:04.27 | |Kev| | The concern is when one person is the main PoC for multiple students, and can't keep up. |
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| 12:05.05 | htrap_ | |kev|:this project could use a pair of students one of whom has more programming skills and one of whom has visual design and user interface design skills |
| 12:05.23 | htrap_ | |kev|: this is what is written on ideas page, how to apply for that? |
| 12:05.52 | Alexia_Death_ | |Kev|: Ok, clear. Ill let him know. However, we make soure that our students join or IRC and other communications channels right away and start talking there. ITs actually one of our selection criteria. Isolated students usually fail. |
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| 12:06.19 | |Kev| | Orgs can legitimately arrange to have multiple slots working on a similar projects (or even duplicate projects). |
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| 12:06.41 | |Kev| | What you can't do is have a group project where the students are working together on the same tasks. |
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| 12:07.06 | |Kev| | So two students each doing a project that, when put together, make up a larger project is fine. |
| 12:07.13 | htrap_ | |kev| so both of should apply for same project individually? |
| 12:07.25 | |Kev| | htrap_: Yes, you always apply as an individual. |
| 12:07.38 | htrap_ | |kev|: Thanks |
| 12:07.47 | |Kev| | You apply, get selected/rejected, pass/fail all as an individual. |
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| 12:08.06 | htrap_ | ok thanks |
| 12:08.10 | Alexia_Death_ | |Kev|: Ours is a plugin porting task. Each student gets an individual set of pligins to port. |
| 12:08.19 | Alexia_Death_ | plugins* |
| 12:08.29 | |Kev| | Alexia_Death_: That was @htrap_, not at you :) |
| 12:08.34 | Alexia_Death_ | aah:) |
| 12:09.04 | |Kev| | My non-Googler understanding is that what you describe is absolutely fine in every way :) |
| 12:09.16 | Alexia_Death_ | ok :) |
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| 12:34.42 | rishi | Umm... can any one log in to Melange? |
| 12:35.23 | David_Honeynet | yes |
| 12:36.49 | ojwb | if google-melange.com is being problematic, http://socghop.appspot.com/ often seems better |
| 12:36.50 | ojwb | at least for me |
| 12:36.57 | ojwb | it's the same database |
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| 12:48.35 | dbs | Wow. I've been pretty quiet because our little project is in its first year at GSoC and had 9 proposals the first day, when it seemed that many other orgs were having trouble getting proposals... we're up to 24 now. |
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| 12:49.00 | dbs | Lots of work for our 3 mentors to sort through! A good problem to have. |
| 12:49.27 | MatthewWilkes | dbs: Congrats :) |
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| 12:50.22 | dberkholz | dbs: awesome! |
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| 12:50.41 | dberkholz | i knew they had to be going somewhere =P |
| 12:51.09 | dbs | I don't think we even put our logo up - heh |
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| 12:51.28 | dberkholz | dbs: which project, btw? |
| 12:51.42 | dbs | dberkholz: Evergreen |
| 12:51.49 | dbs | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/evergreen_ils |
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| 12:52.41 | unwesen | nice project |
| 12:52.46 | unwesen | at first glance :) |
| 12:52.50 | dberkholz | it would be really interesting to see how the tags compare with proposals |
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| 12:53.41 | Adnan | dbs, you need mentors ? |
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| 12:54.26 | dbs | Adnan: it's our first year as a GSoC project, and the advice seems to be to keep things small in the first go-round |
| 12:55.07 | Adnan | dsb, correct |
| 12:55.07 | dbs | Adnan: is it normal for projects to have mentors from outside of the project? |
| 12:55.22 | |Kev| | dbs: Not normal, no. |
| 12:55.24 | ojwb | it's pretty unusual |
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| 12:55.50 | Adnan | dbs, No .. but they should have knowledge about your project or tools |
| 12:55.51 | dbs | That's what I thought; we'd need mentors for the mentors :) |
| 12:55.51 | ojwb | if a project involves integration, it's reasonable to pull in a comentor from another project to help |
| 12:55.53 | |Kev| | dbs: Although it's usual to get spam mentor applications from people the org's never heard of. I don't know why. |
| 12:56.07 | ojwb | e.g. swig and scilab worked together to add scilab support to swig |
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| 12:56.51 | dbs | Although... we have a proposal to create Debian and Fedora packages for Evergreen, and none of the mentors has packaging experience. So a Debian or Fedora mentor would be appropriate there |
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| 12:57.44 | |Kev| | That sounds somewhat trivial for a summer project o_O |
| 12:57.48 | ojwb | dbs: yes, though I think you'd really want someone from your project involved too |
| 12:58.08 | ojwb | |Kev|: that was my first thought, but maybe it's really complex to package |
| 12:58.38 | ojwb | the other issue with packaging work is you really want a maintainer for it on going |
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| 12:59.34 | ojwb | debian doesn't really want packages which are orphaned after the first upload, and I doubt fedora do either |
| 12:59.35 | dbs | |Kev| There are a number of unpackaged dependencies that would need to be packaged as well |
| 12:59.51 | dberkholz | still pretty meh |
| 12:59.56 | dberkholz | speaking as a packager |
| 12:59.58 | |Kev| | dbs: I still find it hard to believe this is 3 months' work. |
| 13:00.14 | dberkholz | unless the number is >100 |
| 13:00.21 | dbs | ojwb: Right - if we got to the point that we had packages that we could maintain, we certainly would find it within our project to keep maintaining them |
| 13:00.45 | dberkholz | but you might as well pull in some debian/fedora devs who can tell you the same thing =) |
| 13:00.49 | dbs | dberkholz |Kev|: as we have no packaging experience on our current dev team, your feedback is very useful :) |
| 13:01.09 | dberkholz | if you have an incredibly complex, handwritten build system that's a conglomeration of multiple bundled source packages, maybe |
| 13:01.10 | ojwb | pulls out his DD card |
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| 13:01.32 | dberkholz | then the project would involve rewriting a real build system from scratch, too |
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| 13:01.53 | vh4x0r | hiemanshu, what are the dates for the midterm evaluations ? |
| 13:02.05 | ojwb | !timeline |
| 13:02.06 | socinfo | ojwb: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 13:02.06 | dbs | we moved to autotools a few years back, but that was a student project (we funded it ourselves when our GSoC application wasn't accepted a few years back) and it kind of shows :) |
| 13:02.08 | ojwb | vh4x0r: ^^ |
| 13:02.10 | |Kev| | dbs: Let me ask how long it took to Deb package Swift. |
| 13:02.17 | dberkholz | ojwb: great, i know who to call when i've had a few drinks =) |
| 13:02.34 | dbs | |Kev|_++ ojwb++ dberkholz++ |
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| 13:04.51 | |Kev| | dbs: From a position of no Debian packaging experience, it took maybe 16 hours to get packaging working inside the build system, including setting a repository on our server, and setting up scripts to make nightly builds, upload and processing them. |
| 13:05.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: sounds more like a "pre-acceptance task" then |
| 13:05.34 | |Kev| | Double that because a student won't be as smart as this guy is, and you're looking at a week :) |
| 13:06.24 | dbs | |Kev|: And then add one day per dependency that needs to be packaged as well - still, three weeks. Maybe. |
| 13:06.45 | ojwb | it certainly doesn't feel like a 3 month project |
| 13:07.01 | ojwb | even if they do debian and fedora packages |
| 13:07.03 | dbs | And another week or two for .spec files for Fedora packaging |
| 13:07.10 | |Kev| | dbs: No, I don't think you do. |
| 13:07.23 | |Kev| | dbs: That time was almost all spent working out how to do server repositories. |
| 13:07.33 | |Kev| | Of the rest, it was almost all 'work out how the magic works'. |
| 13:07.44 | |Kev| | I imagine adding another package would be the work of an hour for him now. |
| 13:07.47 | ojwb | reprepro is pretty good for private debian repos |
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| 13:08.34 | |Kev| | ojwb: I'll pass that on, ta. |
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| 13:09.07 | |Kev| | ojwb: That's what he uses :) |
| 13:09.14 | ojwb | cool |
| 13:09.47 | jaylett | Erm. SRabbelier|Lappy or someone, for me long lines in a Melange application aren't wrapping within the design, meaning I have to disable CSS to read the whole thing. |
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| 13:10.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !screenshot |
| 13:10.10 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 13:10.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | jaylett: ^ |
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| 13:12.35 | jaylett | SRabbelier|Lappy http://awesomescreenshot.com/0ecb1k82c |
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| 13:14.38 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I see the same issue with that proposal |
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| 13:15.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | jaylett: url? |
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| 13:15.20 | sskceg | what is qemu irc channel name |
| 13:15.29 | kai | google? |
| 13:15.45 | jaylett | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/shinysky/1 |
| 13:15.51 | jaylett | it seems to be full of nbsp |
| 13:15.53 | sskceg | i am asking in irc how can v shift? |
| 13:16.11 | aghisla | jaylett: it's not public |
| 13:16.27 | jaylett | no, you shouldn't be able to see it unless you're a mentor on the project |
| 13:16.28 | jaylett | aiui |
| 13:16.47 | aghisla | ah ok :) sorry for intromission |
| 13:16.52 | jaylett | :) |
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| 13:17.21 | sskceg | got it thanks |
| 13:17.53 | MatthewWilkes | aghisla: rofl |
| 13:17.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | jaylett: the student probably stretched TinyMCE very far or so |
| 13:18.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | jaylett: I suppose we can set overflow-x: auto? |
| 13:18.13 | MatthewWilkes | Did anyone else see that? |
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| 13:18.52 | jaylett | SRabbelier|Lappy I guess you could run a filter to kill non-breaking spaces if there were lots of them or something. Bit nasty, but there isn't a CSS fix that's going to be easy to read :-( |
| 13:19.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | jaylett: I suggest yo utell the student to fix the proposal |
| 13:19.11 | aghisla | oops :P i meant intermission :) |
| 13:19.52 | jaylett | SRabbelier|Lappy yeah, will do that. overflow-x: auto doesn't fix it, btw (editing via web inspector). |
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| 13:31.56 | tomprince | Is there anyway to get two melange IDs merged? I got caught by googles change of how google apps accounts work, and I deleted the account associated to my melange account. |
| 13:32.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | tomprince: I can switch an email address to another link_id |
| 13:32.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | tomprince: but I can't merge accounts, no |
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| 13:34.17 | svaksha | SRabbelier|Lappy: does that mean the link_id can be changed? |
| 13:35.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | svaksha: no |
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| 13:36.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | tomprince: please don't PM me without permission |
| 13:36.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !fix |
| 13:36.09 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "fix" is Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 13:36.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | tomprince: ^ |
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| 13:48.23 | Talad | any google admins interested in blocking of some IP from spam? |
| 13:48.35 | Talad | I got two proposals which have different names but similar emails and content |
| 13:48.42 | Talad | with lot of links to external sites |
| 13:49.01 | Talad | the content is mainly spam |
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| 13:54.05 | pastorn | heyo |
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| 13:54.18 | pastorn | how much more time before the application deadline? |
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| 13:54.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !next |
| 13:54.39 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 13:54.42 | David_Honeynet | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx |
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| 13:54.59 | pastorn | so five hours... |
| 13:55.24 | pastorn | i don't understand what i should do with my application... |
| 13:55.32 | |Kev| | Submit it? |
| 13:55.36 | pastorn | should it go to the summer of code page or to the mentoring organizations? |
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| 13:56.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | pastorn: it shoulg to to http://www.google-melange.com |
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| 13:56.42 | pastorn | ah, now i found it |
| 13:57.00 | pastorn | that page was a bit slow for me earlier, that must be why i missed it... |
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| 13:58.14 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Plone is on the frontpage |
| 13:58.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: good for you ^^ |
| 13:59.03 | MatthewWilkes | :D:D:D |
| 13:59.06 | |Kev| | How're we looking on average scores? :) |
| 13:59.14 | MatthewWilkes | I now believe you didn't exclude my link id |
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| 13:59.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: I'm still at uni |
| 13:59.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: but it's the next thing on my TOOD :) |
| 13:59.56 | |Kev| | Wonderful, thanks. |
| 14:00.03 | |Kev| | praises the power of the TOOD. |
| 14:00.10 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 14:00.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: I always spell it TOOD |
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| 14:00.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: if I don't, my fingers do anyway; so I've started doing it on purpose |
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| 14:02.01 | downeym | !next |
| 14:02.02 | socinfo | downeym: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:13.32 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:14.08 | morice-net | hi anddam |
| 14:15.37 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: I don't seem to be getting notifications anymore |
| 14:15.38 | MatthewWilkes | Hmmm |
| 14:15.40 | MatthewWilkes | searches |
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| 14:15.59 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
| 14:16.01 | MatthewWilkes | Spam |
| 14:16.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: I'm getting plenty |
| 14:16.02 | MatthewWilkes | Damit :) |
| 14:16.04 | MatthewWilkes | dammit |
| 14:16.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: heh, on gmail? |
| 14:16.18 | drt24 | how many students can I sensibly mentor as a first time mentor who will have a full time job? |
| 14:16.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | drt24: 1 |
| 14:16.41 | anddam | my name has a quotation mark in it, how am I supposed to register? |
| 14:16.49 | anddam | just skipping it? |
| 14:16.53 | drt24 | SRabbelier|Lappy: ahh ok |
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| 14:17.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anddam: you can add it in your public name |
| 14:17.14 | dotnick | should I be worried about the length of my proposal? |
| 14:17.22 | dotnick | as in too long, not too short |
| 14:17.27 | anddam | SRabbelier|Lappy: this is "CONTACT INFO (PRIVATE)" section |
| 14:17.34 | bobbens | dotnick: add an executive summary :P |
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| 14:17.48 | |Kev| | drt24: One, but be aware that might take more time than you had imagined, too. |
| 14:17.54 | dotnick | bobbens: :) |
| 14:18.06 | ojwb | drt24: between 0 and 1 |
| 14:18.29 | anddam | also I participated in last year gsoc, should the old profile be still working? |
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| 14:19.05 | drt24 | mmm I was a really easy student to mentor when I was a student because I just got on and did it and my mentor didn't know the code base as well as me but I guess that now that I can answer questions I am probably going to get asked a lot of questions. Thanks. |
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| 14:19.40 | |Kev| | drt24: Some students don't take much mentoring. Some take a great deal of time. |
| 14:19.40 | anddam | the error on melange says "Invalid characters, only A-z, 0-9, - and whitespace are allowed." but doesn't really give any hint about how to workaround it |
| 14:19.53 | |Kev| | anddam: Only put those characters in the field. |
| 14:20.00 | |Kev| | :) |
| 14:20.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anddam: that's not your public name |
| 14:20.26 | dotnick | bobbens: maybe a tl;dr summary at the end? :) |
| 14:20.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anddam: that's for shipping |
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| 14:21.04 | anddam | SRabbelier|Lappy: I'm not sure why are you higlighting that, I'm getting error on those fields, that's the point |
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| 14:22.57 | chiang | what does the status of pending in proposal mean? |
| 14:23.18 | |Kev| | chiang: Ignore it. |
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| 14:23.55 | beng-nl | ojwb: agree (0-1) |
| 14:24.03 | chiang | |Kev|: why? |
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| 14:24.14 | MatthewWilkes | chiang: It means you're not accepted or rejected yet |
| 14:24.18 | |Kev| | chiang: 'pending' is the standard status. |
| 14:24.29 | DarthGandalf | What are possible statuses? |
| 14:24.31 | chiang | Got. Thanks |
| 14:24.37 | |Kev| | It'll change when you withdraw your application, get accepted, or get rejected. |
| 14:24.37 | chiang | Got it |
| 14:26.15 | dotnick | where is this 'pending' status people are asking about lately? I haven't noticed anything |
| 14:26.51 | drt24 | dotnick: that column isn't shown by default |
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| 14:27.19 | tomprince | Is there anyway to see diffs for proposal updates? |
| 14:27.21 | dotnick | drt24: ah thanks. |
| 14:27.44 | kai | tomprince: no, ask your student to mention what they changed |
| 14:27.49 | ojwb | tomprince: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=515 |
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| 14:27.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | tomprince: use gmail, :P |
| 14:28.02 | ojwb | if you save all your notifications, you can probably diff them |
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| 14:28.13 | ojwb | does gmail diff mail? |
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| 14:34.19 | Marchael | !next |
| 14:34.21 | socinfo | Marchael: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:35.48 | jaylett | SRabbelier|Lappy is there a way of seeing what score I've given a proposal without opening its page? |
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| 14:36.28 | saksham | !next |
| 14:36.29 | socinfo | saksham: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:36.52 | pastorn | shouldn't that give an actual ETA? |
| 14:36.56 | saksham | deadline has been extended? |
| 14:36.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | jaylett: no |
| 14:37.01 | eppz | !deadline |
| 14:37.02 | socinfo | eppz: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 14:37.04 | saksham | i thought it was 12 pm pacific tim e |
| 14:37.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !extension |
| 14:37.07 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "extension" is not planned. |
| 14:37.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | saksham: ^ |
| 14:37.19 | saksham | :( |
| 14:37.21 | MatthewWilkes | saksham: UTC ins't pacific daylight time⦠|
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| 14:37.35 | saksham | oh it's greenwich? |
| 14:37.48 | scgtrp | it's UTC |
| 14:37.55 | pastorn | same thing? |
| 14:37.59 | MatthewWilkes | saksham: For all intents and purposes, yes |
| 14:37.59 | |Kev| | Let's not have another GMT/UTC discussion, please. |
| 14:38.10 | |Kev| | Yes, they're the same thing, move on. |
| 14:38.12 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: BUT LEAP SECONDS MATTER TO ME. |
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| 14:38.34 | pastorn | |Kev|: hehe :) |
| 14:38.36 | pastorn | sorry |
| 14:38.50 | thiago | we haven't had a leap second in years |
| 14:38.55 | thiago | they're thinking of abolishing them |
| 14:38.59 | koda|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.11 | koda|work | i just received an application that just copied our template |
| 14:39.20 | koda|work | and provided one line replies |
| 14:39.21 | koda|work | :D |
| 14:39.23 | |Kev| | koda|work: If that's your first, you're doing pretty well. |
| 14:39.25 | |Kev| | Oh. |
| 14:39.32 | |Kev| | You mean they edited the template before submitting it? |
| 14:39.33 | |Kev| | Novel. |
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| 14:40.14 | koda|work | |Kev|, you mean it's common? :P |
| 14:40.28 | MatthewWilkes | koda|work: We've got one from our ideas list. Too common. |
| 14:40.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | thiago: bug, think of the consequences! |
| 14:41.01 | |Kev| | koda|work: "Submit a useless application. Many varieties of entirely unhelpful applications exist: the one-sentence wonder, the proposal pasted directly from the ideas page, the free-form text that ignores an application template, and the application submitted to the wrong organization." ( http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/03/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html ). |
| 14:41.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: truth |
| 14:41.28 | |Kev| | Yes, about 25% of our applications are spam this year. |
| 14:41.30 | Kylepan | just for curiosity, where to find the implemented command in !command? |
| 14:41.59 | dberkholz | we just got one of those too |
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| 14:43.35 | cemycc | !deadline |
| 14:43.37 | socinfo | cemycc: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 14:44.31 | pastorn | are you applying? |
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| 14:45.57 | cemycc | yep :) |
| 14:46.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !socinfo |
| 14:46.07 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 14:46.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Kylepan: ^ |
| 14:46.47 | Kylepan | ^ |
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| 14:47.39 | Kylepan | SRabbelier|Lappy:"^"..what do you mean? |
| 14:47.47 | Kylepan | I'm new to IRC..:).. |
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| 14:48.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Kylepan: I was referring to the line above |
| 14:48.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Kylepan: (04:45:54 PM) socinfo: SRabbelier|Lappy: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 14:48.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: We _need_ that redirection plugin! |
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| 14:50.16 | Kylepan | SRabbelier|Lappy: got it..thanks..it seems that there's a lot of slangs/abbr. I need to get fimilar with.. |
| 14:51.00 | dberkholz | ^^ is like arrows pointing up |
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| 14:51.39 | MatthewWilkes | Just got 3 copypastas |
| 14:52.40 | kevin7kal | MatthewWilkes - that was a nice one |
| 14:52.57 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: ok, you guys fix #611 and I fix the redirection plugin ;) |
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| 14:53.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: deal |
| 14:53.10 | MatthewWilkes | kevin7kal: I like the apology for only working 40 hours a week during his exam period |
| 14:53.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: I will add an url you can hit :) |
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| 14:53.40 | kevin7kal | MatthewWilkes: i did almost spit my coffee out when I read that :-) |
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| 14:55.34 | MatthewWilkes | kevin7kal: Looks like we have a fake mentor application too |
| 14:55.36 | MatthewWilkes | someone wants a tshirt |
| 14:55.44 | kevin7kal | yeah |
| 14:55.52 | kevin7kal | I was about to ask if you knew that person |
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| 14:57.08 | |Kev| | Aaaand another fake mentor app for us. |
| 14:57.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: ditto here |
| 14:57.28 | asslulz | xD |
| 14:57.40 | asslulz | this is so damn ridiculous |
| 14:58.21 | achillion | How can a mentor app be fake? I mean, what do they plan on doing if they get "accepted"? |
| 14:58.55 | MatthewWilkes | achillion: Not being assigned to a student and getting the free tshirt |
| 14:58.58 | |Kev| | Getting a tshirt. |
| 14:59.04 | MatthewWilkes | and potentially upvoting their friends who applied as students |
| 14:59.10 | kevin7kal | and a sticker |
| 14:59.16 | |Kev| | There's the possibility they think they can vote on their friends' applications too, although that's far-fetched. |
| 14:59.19 | achillion | and if you do get assigned a student? |
| 14:59.30 | achillion | I mean, slim chance, but what if |
| 14:59.33 | MatthewWilkes | achillion: Then the org admin needs to be slapped |
| 14:59.41 | kevin7kal | heh |
| 14:59.42 | achillion | MatthewWilkes: hehehe fair enough |
| 14:59.45 | MatthewWilkes | and probably won't get accepted again |
| 15:00.03 | rbuels | gah, i accidentally clicked 'accept' on a mentor request that i shouldn't have. how can i remove the erroneous mentor from my org? |
| 15:00.15 | rbuels | is org admin for Open Bioinformatics Foundation |
| 15:00.16 | achillion | ! |
| 15:00.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !fix |
| 15:00.19 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "fix" is Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 15:00.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: ^ |
| 15:00.38 | |Kev| | srabbelier|lappy gmail.com? |
| 15:00.39 | |Kev| | :D |
| 15:00.41 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I think you didn't read that thoroughly |
| 15:01.07 | ojwb | rbuels wants to remove *someone else* not himself |
| 15:01.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: I know |
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| 15:01.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: if he can't figure out to do from that general instruction |
| 15:01.47 | rbuels | SRabbelier|Lappy: is your email socinfo at gmail or SRabbelier|Lappy at gmail? |
| 15:01.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: I don't think he should be an org admin |
| 15:01.55 | rbuels | chuckles |
| 15:02.04 | ojwb | so he should send out a message faked as coming from the mentor he accepted? |
| 15:02.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: srabbelier+lappy would work |
| 15:02.07 | rbuels | does not actually think its SRabbelier|Lappy |
| 15:02.12 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: "And your desired status change" |
| 15:02.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | pats rbuels |
| 15:02.27 | ojwb | well, exactly |
| 15:02.31 | MatthewWilkes | that covers it, stop being an arse :) |
| 15:02.53 | ojwb | isn't |
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| 15:04.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: stop behaving like one ^^ |
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| 15:05.19 | rbuels | SRabbelier|Lappy: ok sent |
| 15:05.19 | ojwb | isn't |
| 15:05.31 | rbuels | SRabbelier|Lappy: to the address without the 'lappy' part |
| 15:06.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: most observant of you :) |
| 15:06.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: hah! |
| 15:06.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: they applied to us as well |
| 15:06.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | marks their profile as invalid |
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| 15:07.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | did anyone else receive a spam proposal from sjesi...? |
| 15:07.26 | aghisla | ah, yes. |
| 15:07.28 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 15:07.29 | aghisla | an empty one |
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| 15:07.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: what's your link_id? |
| 15:07.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: I need to verify you're you :) |
| 15:07.50 | rbuels | SRabbelier|Lappy: rbuels. |
| 15:08.00 | rbuels | SRabbelier|Lappy: same as my nick here. |
| 15:08.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rbuels: thanks |
| 15:08.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | hmmm |
| 15:09.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | rproject and fibercorps accepted that student |
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| 15:09.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | **person |
| 15:09.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | I forget, who's from fibercorps here? |
| 15:09.14 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: actually I can confirm rbuels is an OBF person |
| 15:09.23 | rbuels | waves at kai |
| 15:09.33 | kai | rbuels: small world :) |
| 15:09.41 | rbuels | kai: yeah, fancy meeting you here |
| 15:09.42 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: CrawfordComeaux I think (unless I misspelled that) |
| 15:09.43 | rbuels | chuckles |
| 15:09.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: I already did :P |
| 15:09.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: ah, yes |
| 15:09.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: but they're not here :( |
| 15:09.59 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: I actually met him at the last mentor summit as well |
| 15:10.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: nice :D |
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| 15:11.11 | vh4x0r | How do I add my gmail account as xmpp network ? |
| 15:11.48 | kai | !gsoc |
| 15:11.49 | socinfo | kai: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums |
| 15:11.56 | kai | 0:) |
| 15:12.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | vh4x0r: ^ |
| 15:12.55 | vh4x0r | :-o I was trying to add the xmpp network info to my gsoc profile ! |
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| 15:13.42 | kai | ah, fair enough |
| 15:14.10 | kai | xmpp:yourgoogleaccount@gmail.com ? |
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| 15:14.20 | vh4x0r | kai, ok |
| 15:14.22 | |Kev| | kai: Yes. |
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| 15:14.38 | pastorn | so what organizations are people applying for? |
| 15:14.42 | |Kev| | !polls |
| 15:14.43 | socinfo | |Kev|: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 15:14.51 | pastorn | |Kev|: you? |
| 15:14.56 | pastorn | or are you mentoring? |
| 15:14.57 | kai | also, I refuse to apply for any organization |
| 15:15.07 | pastorn | kai: :) |
| 15:15.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | pastorn: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 15:15.23 | pastorn | !polls |
| 15:15.24 | socinfo | pastorn: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 15:15.31 | pastorn | "polls" |
| 15:15.31 | kai | gives socinfo and SRabbelier|Lappy a cookie each |
| 15:15.37 | pastorn | SRabbelier|Lappy: i don't get it |
| 15:15.39 | ojwb | pastorn: stop that |
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| 15:15.56 | DarthGandalf | !polls foo |
| 15:15.57 | armaan | how many hours left? |
| 15:16.11 | pastorn | !next |
| 15:16.11 | Aethaeryn | Hmm, socinfo doesn't respond to ctcp VERSION. Is it custom? |
| 15:16.11 | socinfo | pastorn: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 15:16.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !deadline |
| 15:16.15 | DarthGandalf | I hoped that it would say foo: "polls" is blahbalh |
| 15:16.16 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 15:16.30 | Aethaeryn | I'm just going to guess based on the company... Is it written in Python? |
| 15:16.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DarthGandalf: that's what we want too |
| 15:16.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DarthGandalf: except it doesn't work :( |
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| 15:16.40 | pastorn | Aethaeryn: weechat 0.3.4... |
| 15:16.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Aethaeryn: it's a suppybot |
| 15:16.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !socinfo |
| 15:16.43 | DarthGandalf | !polls | foo |
| 15:16.43 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 15:16.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | pastorn: ^ |
| 15:17.03 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DarthGandalf: sadly the factoid plugin we're using doesn't support directing :( |
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| 15:17.38 | DarthGandalf | I see... |
| 15:17.59 | DarthGandalf | SRabbelier: you could change it to one supporting it... or write one from scratch |
| 15:18.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DarthGandalf: correct |
| 15:18.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | DarthGandalf: I've been trying to convince kai to do that |
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| 15:19.21 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: sure, once I have some free time to work on it |
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| 15:19.49 | kai | I'd use the encyclopedia module of ubotu, but then I'd have to deal with user management |
| 15:19.56 | kai | that's too annoying |
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| 15:21.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: can't you just comment out the user management part? :P |
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| 15:26.47 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: dunno, didn't have time to look at the code |
| 15:26.54 | kai | ah, spammity spam |
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| 15:27.41 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: say, do you have a bug report for the link in the mentor request mails not working? |
| 15:28.26 | kai | sfb: ping |
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| 15:29.35 | kai | sfb: unping :) |
| 15:30.10 | twocute | !timeline |
| 15:30.12 | socinfo | twocute: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 15:30.34 | sfb | kai: Unpung? |
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| 15:31.09 | kai | sfb: I got a mentor request that I didn't know if the mentor was part of your project |
| 15:31.21 | kai | sfb: but then noticed the same guy applied to be a mentor for samba as well |
| 15:31.21 | sfb | kai: name? |
| 15:31.26 | kai | sfb: so it was a clear spam |
| 15:31.30 | sfb | kai: Oh |
| 15:31.40 | sfb | kai: Yeah I got a random mentor request yesterday for OpenNMS |
| 15:32.40 | dberkholz | yep, he applied for x.org too |
| 15:33.04 | sri13 | hi, how many projects will be accepted this year ? |
| 15:33.14 | operhiem1 | !countdown |
| 15:33.22 | Raim | yep, have seen the same. probably he applied for each and every org? |
| 15:33.27 | kai | we're likely looking at a number between 1 and 6 billion |
| 15:33.27 | akashm1990 | !deadline |
| 15:33.29 | socinfo | akashm1990: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 15:33.46 | operhiem1 | socinfo: Thanks. |
| 15:34.09 | ojwb | sri13: I think all we've heard is it is likely to be an increase on last year |
| 15:34.40 | sri13 | around 1500 ?? |
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| 15:35.32 | kai | !odds |
| 15:35.33 | socinfo | kai: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 15:35.42 | kai | sri13: ^^^ |
| 15:35.46 | vh4x0r | will comments be available after the deadline ? |
| 15:36.02 | ojwb | vh4x0r: yes |
| 15:36.05 | kai | vh4x0r: no, after the deadline, the world as we know it will end |
| 15:36.15 | kai | but pssst. |
| 15:36.21 | oy | kai: :-) |
| 15:36.21 | ojwb | oh, I might go and sleep then |
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| 15:36.34 | ojwb | i'd hate to be tired and not enjoy the end of the world |
| 15:36.37 | Ivanovic | kai: damn, you have told them the secret! |
| 15:37.11 | kai | Ivanovic: but they still don't know why and how |
| 15:37.38 | kai | and they only have a couple of hours left to figure that one out |
| 15:38.09 | Ivanovic | kai: but since *everything* will end then, it does not matter *how* it happens |
| 15:38.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 15:38.28 | StefanM | Hello World! |
| 15:38.30 | algs | 3.5 hrs to go :) |
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| 15:38.42 | StefanM | I have a more-or-less urgent question |
| 15:39.00 | StefanM | can you apply for more than 1 idea on an organisation? |
| 15:39.21 | imploder | StefanM: yes |
| 15:39.26 | StefanM | how? |
| 15:39.35 | StefanM | i can't seem to find that in the dashboar |
| 15:39.36 | StefanM | d |
| 15:40.23 | Ivanovic | just submit more than one proposal to the org |
| 15:40.25 | ojwb | click apply a second time? |
| 15:40.27 | imploder | StefanM: don't you have "You can now apply to Google Summer of Code." with "apply" underlined there? |
| 15:40.49 | imploder | I have it there |
| 15:41.03 | downeym | SRabbelier: Do you know at what point we can assign multiple mentors to proposals? |
| 15:41.03 | ojwb | if they're responsive on irc, I'd check if they'd welcome a second application |
| 15:41.28 | StefanM | aaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:41.43 | StefanM | i was clicking in the dashboard that;'s why i got the initial proposal |
| 15:41.45 | StefanM | thanks :D |
| 15:41.56 | Ivanovic | downeym: you basically just assign one (main!) mentor |
| 15:42.07 | kai | boyaa! |
| 15:42.16 | kai | just filed issue #1200 |
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| 15:42.20 | Ivanovic | that is at least the way it was so far |
| 15:43.00 | kai | just need to wait for the next 33 to come in and I can gram 1234 :D |
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| 15:43.12 | downeym | Ivanovic: Was in reference to this message: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/iUsNibOfMu8/Tb8iLUMg29sJ |
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| 15:43.47 | sgallagh | Ivanovic: I'm not sure that always makes sense. For example, there's a proposal in my organization for essentially a glue project (allow an application to interact with another application). |
| 15:43.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | is going home |
| 15:44.01 | sgallagh | Having two mentors, one for each of the apps in question, seems like a good idea |
| 15:44.14 | Ivanovic | sgallagh: oh, of course there can be *many* people doing the real mentoring work |
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| 15:44.30 | ojwb | the rumour seemed to be there would be explicit support in melange for co-mentors this year |
| 15:44.33 | sgallagh | But only one of them gets a shirt? :) |
| 15:44.33 | Ivanovic | *but* the ranking and evaluating has to be done by the listed mentor |
| 15:44.37 | ojwb | but you don't really need much |
| 15:44.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | sgallagh: after the proposals are converted to projects, multiple men tors can be assigned |
| 15:44.49 | Ivanovic | nah, *everyone* listed as mentor or admin in the google tracker gets a shirt |
| 15:44.50 | ojwb | sgallagh: anyone signed up in melange as a mentor gets a shirt |
| 15:44.52 | sgallagh | ah ok |
| 15:44.53 | Ivanovic | even without assigned student |
| 15:44.54 | ojwb | or has historically |
| 15:44.59 | kai | sgallagh: also, what Ivanovic said :) |
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| 15:45.08 | kai | and ojwb |
| 15:45.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | address further questions to SRabbelier |
| 15:45.28 | sgallagh | Ok, just curious. Didn't want my co-mentor left out |
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| 15:45.33 | sgallagh | I hear they're nice shirts ;-) |
| 15:45.51 | kai | they were so far |
| 15:46.21 | ojwb | if you're a mentor signed up for two orgs, do you get a shirt with two neck holes? |
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| 15:46.33 | kai | ojwb: no |
| 15:46.40 | Ivanovic | to get an idea how they can look: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=48633&sid=f0bef4fee9eacc9d2be29d1063f9cde0&mode=view |
| 15:46.43 | ojwb | someone's missed a trick |
| 15:46.44 | kai | the IRS will keep one of the neck holes |
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| 15:47.17 | ojwb | evil irs |
| 15:47.39 | kai | yeah |
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| 15:47.57 | Ivanovic | every shirt will be devliered with the uniform number of 4 holes |
| 15:48.15 | kai | technically google's giving us long sleeves, but the IRS keeps 30% of that, so all we actually get is t-shirts |
| 15:48.18 | Ivanovic | even if you are mentoring for more orgs, the shirt will have 4 holes, the same if for less |
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| 15:48.39 | chiang | :-D |
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| 15:51.31 | shiru | Hi, I recently (yesterday) wrote and submitted my proposal for gsoc. But I don't see it in my dashboard in the proposal section |
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| 15:52.21 | ajedwards | try submitting it again, if it isn't in dashboard it probably didn't submit correctly |
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| 15:53.49 | vh4x0r | what does the withdraw button do, ignores the updates, or deletes my proposal ? |
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| 15:54.15 | shiru | Can you see this link http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/shiru/1# |
| 15:54.53 | operhiem1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.08 | Triskelios | yeah, the proposal has to be marked public for non-mentors to read it |
| 15:56.22 | shiru | Ok |
| 15:56.58 | shiru | I mark it public, can you try again ? |
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| 15:58.57 | Gabor_Bernat | it's working |
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| 15:59.53 | shiru | why I can't see it in my dashboard ? |
| 16:01.27 | dbs | sighs at "I used <technology X> to <direct quote from technology X website>" in experience section of proposal |
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| 16:01.46 | ajedwards | grief... |
| 16:01.53 | ajedwards | dbs, that's a "no" then? |
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| 16:02.50 | dbs | ajedwards: heh, it's not working in favour of this otherwise incredibly generic proposal, no |
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| 16:03.37 | ajedwards | I guess for some CS students it's difficult to write something which isn't stolen/copied/your own work |
| 16:03.38 | ajedwards | lol |
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| 16:05.45 | shiru | Someone else has the same problem like me ? |
| 16:06.04 | shiru | I can't see my proposal in "My dashboard" |
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| 16:07.41 | pkumar | in the comments section of socghop.appspot, you click submit and a new comment with the body "None" is submitted. and the comments cant be removed either so this is a pretty serious feature bug :/ hmm |
| 16:08.06 | Myth17 | shiru, why do you have your application soo public? :| |
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| 16:09.09 | laserbled | does the email notification highlight the changes made on the proposal or does it just say that a change have been made ? |
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| 16:09.40 | shiru | Myth17: I make it public to test if other persons can access it |
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| 16:10.17 | ojwb | laserbled: it's just the whole text |
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| 16:11.25 | laserbled | oh okie , so the mentors would have to figure out where the change have been made...alrite |
| 16:12.25 | ojwb | laserbled: yes, it's rather annoying |
| 16:12.35 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=515 |
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| 16:13.51 | shiru | Someone has an idea about my problem ? |
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| 16:18.26 | Talad | question to everyone, who thinks that 500$ for a mentor is unbalanced compared to 5000$ to students? |
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| 16:18.46 | imploder | Talad: I do |
| 16:18.49 | Talad | to me something like 1000$ / 4500$ seems more balanced for the work done |
| 16:19.04 | achillion | Talad: I'm new so I have no idea how much effort/time a mentor puts into the project. Could you enlighten me? |
| 16:19.32 | imploder | achillion: +1, as a new student |
| 16:19.32 | Talad | achillion: I'm new as well, but the guideline is a minimum of 5 hours / week |
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| 16:19.58 | Talad | I think the work, mainly at startup is incredible |
| 16:20.06 | Talad | to rank/vote/review/... |
| 16:20.08 | ojwb | it's actually the org's money, not the mentor's |
| 16:20.19 | achillion | Talad: I guess the whole selection process is a bit heavy |
| 16:20.20 | ojwb | some orgs choose to pass it on, but there's no requirement to |
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| 16:20.42 | selvam1991 | has the deadline been extended?? |
| 16:20.43 | Talad | ojwb: ah, that's new to me. I thought the money was going to mentors direct |
| 16:20.46 | David_Honeynet | Talad: the $500 goes to the org, not the mentor, and the orgs aren't involved in gsoc for the money ;-) |
| 16:20.48 | gevaerts | !no |
| 16:20.49 | socinfo | gevaerts: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 16:20.56 | gevaerts | selvam1991: ^ |
| 16:20.56 | Talad | selvam1991: never ever |
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| 16:21.01 | imploder | OTOH the org gets code |
| 16:21.31 | Talad | ojwb: but the point still stands, I guess we cannot decide the balance between student/mentor |
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| 16:21.39 | Talad | correct? |
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| 16:22.14 | achillion | Talad: I guess |
| 16:22.25 | ojwb | I think it would be bad if mentors were in it for the money |
| 16:22.46 | ojwb | as it is $500 is enough to cover extra expenses incurred |
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| 16:23.37 | |Kev| | imploder: Orgs aren't in it for the code either. |
| 16:23.59 | |Kev| | imploder: Orgs are largely in it for finding new contributors, and doing a Good Thing, I think. |
| 16:24.40 | |Kev| | (I suspect the average case is that time mentoring is >= time for the mentors to write the students' code) |
| 16:24.45 | Talad | ojwb: I'm sure they are not in for the money. but the balance seems wrong to me. |
| 16:24.59 | imploder | |Kev|: no? I thought it was good for them to get some work done while Google pays for it. getting new contributors is important too, though. |
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| 16:25.10 | |Kev| | imploder: See above |
| 16:25.15 | Talad | imploder: 500$ is too low |
| 16:25.19 | Talad | that's my point |
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| 16:25.27 | |Kev| | Morning carols. |
| 16:25.30 | ojwb | Talad: nobody is forcing you to take part... |
| 16:25.31 | Talad | as expense reimbursement makes sense |
| 16:25.40 | carols | morning |Kev| |
| 16:25.50 | Talad | ojwb: I'm an admin, so I'm not speaking of myself |
| 16:26.07 | |Kev| | Talad: It's handy for covering expenses of things like buying books for the students and the suchlike. |
| 16:26.09 | Talad | I was doing this reasoning for my mentors |
| 16:26.17 | Talad | so willing to give them more |
| 16:26.26 | Talad | hi carols |
| 16:26.30 | ojwb | well, they're free not to take part too |
| 16:26.30 | carols | hi Talad |
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| 16:26.49 | ojwb | unless you have some strange power over them! |
| 16:27.00 | vegard | why do some people submit proposals which are COMPLETELY unrelated to the project/org? O.o |
| 16:27.07 | Talad | carols: we were discussing about the balancing of 500$ / 5000$ |
| 16:27.08 | |Kev| | vegard: It's a skill. |
| 16:27.19 | carols | Talad: balancing? what do you mean? |
| 16:27.23 | Talad | I would think a 1000$ / 4500$ would express better the efforts |
| 16:27.36 | Talad | speaking for next year at this point obviously |
| 16:27.38 | carols | Talad: your feedback has been noted. |
| 16:27.40 | |Kev| | The orgs aren't in this for getting paid, they're really not. |
| 16:27.53 | Talad | carols: ok, thanks ) |
| 16:27.54 | Talad | :) |
| 16:28.14 | |Kev| | Or ours isn't. It's useful to have some money to spend on books for the studetns, but the rest ends up just going into conferences and things (or did for us last year, I imagine we'll do the same this year) |
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| 16:28.59 | |Kev| | (That's assuming we've claimed the money from last year, I have a bad feeling we didn't :)) |
| 16:29.05 | saksham | !time |
| 16:29.07 | socinfo | saksham: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 16:29.07 | Talad | |Kev|: the point is that the program wants to motivate people to participate |
| 16:29.12 | Talad | and the money is anyway part of it |
| 16:29.16 | saksham | !deadline |
| 16:29.17 | socinfo | saksham: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 16:29.23 | saksham | !countdown |
| 16:29.26 | Talad | maybe not a big point, but still something to check |
| 16:29.36 | Talad | liek t-shirts |
| 16:29.45 | ojwb | there were 417 orgs applying for 175 places, so there seems to be plenty of motivation already |
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| 16:30.00 | |Kev| | Talad: I can't understand this - are you suggesting your org is in this for the $500? |
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| 16:30.34 | |Kev| | Or that it's part of the motivation, rather. |
| 16:30.35 | blast007 | and there certainly isn't a shortage of orgs wanting to participate |
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| 16:31.32 | Talad | |Kev|: I'm speaking in general on the program, I don't understand why you bring the discussion on a personal level |
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| 16:32.04 | |Kev| | Talad: I've not spoken to anyone previously who's had a particular interest in the amount an org gets paid, I'm trying to understand your viewpoint. |
| 16:32.27 | |Kev| | Not that I'd pretend to have polled a significant proportion of mentors/admins. |
| 16:32.52 | Talad | the viewpoint is that the money should be better balanced with the amount of work |
| 16:32.55 | sfb | I'd do it for free if it meant getting to mentor a student, getting code done for my project and potentially adding a talented member to my community. |
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| 16:33.27 | Talad | sfb: you can to it today, you can leave the money to the org. |
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| 16:34.22 | |Kev| | Talad: You don't have to leave money to the org, it's the org's to start with, the mentors don't get paid. |
| 16:34.41 | oy | Talad, the orgs can point students to interessting projects and find potentially new contributors. |
| 16:34.49 | oy | thats cool already |
| 16:34.54 | |Kev| | (Of course, the org can choose to pay the mentors with any money they have if they want to) |
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| 16:35.39 | oy | sfb: completely agree |
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| 16:36.25 | Talad | oy: what has that to do with the $ ? |
| 16:36.40 | sfb | Talad: It has to do with the fact that the orgs payment is the student. |
| 16:36.49 | sfb | Talad: The benefits of having the student with your project |
| 16:36.51 | oy | booth is good to have / achieve |
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| 16:36.59 | sfb | Talad: And the potential contribution to your community. |
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| 16:37.13 | sfb | Talad: The money is purely secondary. |
| 16:37.17 | Talad | sfb: that is valid anyway |
| 16:37.20 | raincole | !time |
| 16:37.21 | socinfo | raincole: "time" is has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things. |
| 16:37.30 | sfb | hahah |
| 16:37.35 | Talad | it's valid even if the money is 0$ |
| 16:37.46 | raincole | !next |
| 16:37.47 | socinfo | raincole: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 16:37.59 | dbs | is grateful that Google is so generous as to fund student work for projects (most of which don't directly benefit Google in any way), and was surprised that orgs get any money at all |
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| 16:38.35 | Talad | dbs: that's also a point of view. the money could be 0 for orgs |
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| 16:38.43 | sfb | dbs: Plus those who get to go to the Mentor Summit |
| 16:39.14 | sfb | Talad: As the org admin you're welcoem to give the $500 to your students too. |
| 16:39.41 | Talad | to me that will depend on the mentor |
| 16:39.49 | oy | OpenICC mostly uses the mentor money for internal stuff, not for mentors payment |
| 16:39.50 | Talad | I see it more as his money than the org money |
| 16:40.00 | sfb | Talad: I think that's a pretty common perspective. |
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| 16:40.18 | Talad | what happened in the past in your orgs? |
| 16:40.26 | Talad | did you always give it to mentors or not? |
| 16:40.41 | Talad | or invest it in some other activities, like advertizins, books, ... |
| 16:41.03 | wolfb | Talad, actually google pays exactly only the orgs, and they get to decide what they want to do with the money |
| 16:41.09 | |Kev| | We've done both at different points. I'd be surprised if we paid mentors this year, but that'd be up to the Board. |
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| 16:41.22 | saksham | What does google really benefit from this? |
| 16:41.27 | saksham | It's a lot of money to give away\ |
| 16:41.33 | wolfb | we at OSGeo have done different things |
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| 16:41.57 | Talad | |Kev|: what organization as you part of? |
| 16:42.08 | wolfb | it's also a lot of money to the orgs, to invest in new things, like hardware for their community, etc |
| 16:42.09 | |Kev| | XSF. |
| 16:42.30 | Talad | saksham: I think it's indirect advertizing , plus fostering open source in general |
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| 16:43.20 | carols | !numapps |
| 16:43.22 | socinfo | carols: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 16:44.01 | aghisla | teatime! |
| 16:44.01 | wolfb | sees carols loading her gun |
| 16:44.14 | carols | you called it, wolfb :-) |
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| 16:47.00 | SRabbelier | carols: why are you loading up? :P |
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| 16:51.27 | g4ur4v | my proposal says status pending |
| 16:52.01 | SRabbelier | g4ur4v: that's how it's supposed to be |
| 16:52.16 | g4ur4v | for how long |
| 16:52.19 | SRabbelier | g4ur4v: forever |
| 16:52.28 | SRabbelier | g4ur4v: until you get accepted/rejected |
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| 16:52.48 | alpha_jet | !deadline |
| 16:52.49 | socinfo | alpha_jet: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 16:53.59 | jeet | hi |
| 16:54.09 | alpha_jet | hi |
| 16:54.13 | alpha_jet | only 2 hours left |
| 16:54.29 | jeet | i have a query |
| 16:54.37 | alpha_jet | I think I dont gonna apply this year |
| 16:54.47 | jeet | in my proposal the status is pending |
| 16:55.08 | jeet | what could be the reason |
| 16:55.19 | blast007 | jeet: it will be until accepted/rejected |
| 16:55.40 | jeet | blast07: okay thanks |
| 16:56.01 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Suggestion for next year: s/pending/submitted/. |
| 16:56.14 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: hmmm |
| 16:56.24 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I'll just change it in the UI |
| 16:56.59 | SRabbelier | otoh... I don't care enough |
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| 16:57.04 | |Kev| | :) |
| 16:57.22 | alpha_jet | Do you think it's still possible to start making applies now ? |
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| 16:58.16 | desti_T2 | why not? |
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| 16:59.05 | SRabbelier | alpha_jet: to _start_? |
| 16:59.14 | lars_kurth | Is there a way to switch of mail notifications? My mentors are running amok because of the volume of notifications |
| 16:59.41 | |Kev| | Yes, the setting is in their profiles. |
| 16:59.42 | aghisla | yes, at the bottom of the profile page |
| 16:59.42 | alpha_jet | SRabbelier : yes, I didnt apply yet |
| 16:59.45 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: one would think the instructiosn to do so at the bottom of all email notifications is a hint? |
| 17:00.01 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: An eternal optimist? |
| 17:00.07 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: truly |
| 17:00.09 | SRabbelier | To stop receiving these messages, go to:Â http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2011. |
| 17:00.19 | SRabbelier | Can't make it more obvious than that |
| 17:00.23 | SRabbelier | well |
| 17:00.25 | SRabbelier | maybe <blink> |
| 17:00.36 | lars_kurth | Oops |
| 17:00.42 | |Kev| | Why not default it to off, and have the link in the mails say "To sign up for these mails go to..."? |
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| 17:00.47 | |Kev| | Seems that'd silence the complainers. |
| 17:00.54 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: because they are important |
| 17:00.58 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: we want everybody to get them |
| 17:01.06 | |Kev| | Yes, it was a flippancy, I'm sorry it wasn't obvious. |
| 17:01.10 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I'd rather deal with the fure complainers |
| 17:01.16 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: ah, np :) |
| 17:01.32 | |Kev| | I'd thought it was a sufficiently stupid idea that it'd be transparent. |
| 17:01.35 | SRabbelier | 76,004Â notification emails sent ^^ |
| 17:01.41 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: on the internet there is no such thing |
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| 17:03.03 | SRabbelier | hates the Wireless on his laptop |
| 17:03.05 | MatthewWilkes | Evening all |
| 17:03.13 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Evening. |
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| 17:05.15 | g4ur4v | how to get a code for .exe file |
| 17:05.16 | yoga1290 | Hi |
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| 17:05.34 | yoga1290 | Hello Everybody |
| 17:05.35 | g4ur4v | any good decompiler |
| 17:05.47 | alpha_jet | open source is realy cool |
| 17:05.57 | MatthewWilkes | hi andrejpan |
| 17:08.27 | andrejpan | Hi |
| 17:08.45 | nehiljain_ | hey is the time ended? |
| 17:08.54 | nehiljain_ | because i can still update the proposal |
| 17:09.00 | SRabbelier | !deadline |
| 17:09.01 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 17:09.01 | desti_T2 | 1h |
| 17:09.01 | SRabbelier | nehiljain_: ^ |
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| 17:09.11 | gevaerts | wrong |
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| 17:09.45 | g0 | what does status: pending mean anyway? |
| 17:10.02 | |Kev| | Your application is in 'pending' status. |
| 17:10.03 | SRabbelier | g0: that your proposal is neither accepted nor rejected |
| 17:10.05 | ajedwards | means you haven't been accepted yet - all are pending currently i believe (unless withdrawn) |
| 17:10.32 | MatthewWilkes | !learn pending as neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
| 17:10.32 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:10.35 | MatthewWilkes | !pending |
| 17:10.36 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
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| 17:11.28 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: +1 |
| 17:12.06 | MatthewWilkes | waits for his sausages to thaw |
| 17:12.14 | MatthewWilkes | sausage and egg sarnie :D |
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| 17:13.06 | SRabbelier | is eating BBQ-chicken pizza |
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| 17:16.02 | marcosroriz | how long until the deadline? |
| 17:16.09 | SRabbelier | kai: ^ |
| 17:16.12 | Aethaeryn | !deadline |
| 17:16.13 | socinfo | Aethaeryn: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 17:16.13 | zubin71 | !deadline |
| 17:16.14 | socinfo | zubin71: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 17:16.17 | jceel | 1h44m |
| 17:16.44 | marcosroriz | ok |
| 17:16.47 | marcosroriz | so I still have time |
| 17:17.29 | aghisla | a special award of who beats the record of latest submission: 1.5 seconds before deadline |
| 17:17.45 | aghisla | but i still hear the echoes of who missed it for the same amount of time |
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| 17:18.05 | aghisla | *of their screams |
| 17:18.24 | bkgood | aghisla: my experience with web applications is that if you flirt with submission within 10 minutes of any deadline you're probably sol |
| 17:18.33 | aghisla | sure |
| 17:18.36 | operhiem1 | If my proposal is pending, does that mean it's submitted? |
| 17:18.44 | aghisla | or if you make it, you lose 10 years of life |
| 17:18.57 | bkgood | operhiem1: I think that means melange is trying to decide whether or not to throw it away |
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| 17:19.06 | SRabbelier | !pending |
| 17:19.08 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
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| 17:19.19 | marcosroriz | can I reuse my login from last year? |
| 17:19.24 | operhiem1 | So it's applied/submitted then. Okay. |
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| 17:20.39 | pvaibhav | imho the wording should be changed from 'pending' to 'submitted' to avoid confusion |
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| 17:21.14 | pvaibhav | and from 'update' to 'edit' |
| 17:21.15 | ajedwards | pending seems accurate enough |
| 17:21.18 | bkgood | pvaibhav: imho if everyone wasn't so OMG-retentive about everything gsoc this wouldn't be a problem |
| 17:21.36 | ajedwards | bkgood, agreed |
| 17:21.37 | pvaibhav | everyone isn't, but many are :) |
| 17:21.41 | g4ur4v | very little time left |
| 17:21.46 | g4ur4v | nervous |
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| 17:22.17 | SRabbelier | bkgood: OMG-retentive? |
| 17:22.28 | bkgood | g4ur4v: just wait and see how nervous you'll be for the like 2-week period where you know nothing but that someone somewhere may be talking about your application... at least that was my experience |
| 17:22.40 | ajedwards | Can't wait to find out now really... it's like waiting for christmas morning |
| 17:22.52 | g4ur4v | true |
| 17:22.53 | bkgood | SRabbelier: a combination of blowing everything out of proportion and being sticklers for everything |
| 17:23.02 | SRabbelier | bkgood: no lie |
| 17:23.10 | bkgood | ajedwards: that it is :) |
| 17:23.18 | SRabbelier | gets to write another MapReduce (without Reduce) after dinner |
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| 17:23.25 | SRabbelier | (and run it on production data) |
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| 17:23.54 | amstan | i noticed the "Publicly visible" checkbox |
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| 17:24.02 | amstan | where can i spy on other proposals that enabled that? |
| 17:24.21 | |Kev| | amstan: Wherever the URL that the student gives you is. |
| 17:24.29 | amstan | aww.. so it's private urls? |
| 17:24.30 | |Kev| | They are only accessible by URL. |
| 17:24.33 | amstan | is a student |
| 17:24.42 | imploder | weird, the deadline does not use DST (i.e. "summer time"). that means one more hour than I thought :-) |
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| 17:24.56 | amstan | imploder: eta is 96 minutes, right? |
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| 17:25.28 | imploder | amstan: if this couter [ http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSoC+Student+application+deadline&day=8&month=4&year=2011&hour=19&min=00&sec=00 ] is correct, yes |
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| 17:28.12 | Gabor_Bernat | if everything went right all proposals should be in pending state now, isn't it ? |
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| 17:32.28 | MatthewWilkes | imploder: There is no such thing as daylight savings time in UTC |
| 17:32.35 | MatthewWilkes | it's an abstract time zone, not a physical one |
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| 17:33.53 | ajedwards | imploder is likely referring to BST change from GMT the other weekend.. |
| 17:34.05 | imploder | not in GMT either |
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| 17:34.22 | |Kev| | Please not another UTC/GMT conversation. |
| 17:34.26 | |Kev| | Please? |
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| 17:34.53 | imploder | so if I am in an area with DST, I should not write just UTC+01 but also which timezone it is (CET in my case) |
| 17:35.07 | SecretofMana | |Kev|: Too late. |
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| 17:35.13 | |Kev| | imploder: No, UTC+01 is completely unambiguous. |
| 17:35.14 | imploder | |Kev|: ok :-) |
| 17:35.18 | pablo | Hey, is the deadline in UTC or GMT? |
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| 17:35.26 | |Kev| | pablo: They're the same. |
| 17:35.38 | pablo | Exactly the same? |
| 17:35.44 | gevaerts | imploder: except you're now in UTC+02 right now probably :) |
| 17:35.45 | pablo | Why are there different acronyms then?? |
| 17:35.46 | carols | !extension |
| 17:35.48 | socinfo | carols: "extension" is not planned. |
| 17:35.49 | carols | great |
| 17:35.53 | carols | thanks socinfo |
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| 17:36.00 | gevaerts | pablo: they might differ by a fraction of a second |
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| 17:36.13 | imploder | gevaerts: but in winter, I am in UTC+01 |
| 17:36.22 | gevaerts | imploder: it's not winter now! |
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| 17:36.28 | saksham | !extension |
| 17:36.30 | socinfo | saksham: "extension" is not planned. |
| 17:36.37 | saksham | !pleaseplanextension |
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| 17:36.42 | pault | is the deadline up? |
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| 17:36.53 | saksham | 1 hr more |
| 17:36.57 | carols | pault: not yet |
| 17:37.10 | saksham | !freezetime |
| 17:37.21 | pault | ok. thanks guys |
| 17:37.34 | imploder | gevaerts: I know. I'll change it to UTC+02 (CEST - that is "Central European Summer Time") |
| 17:37.34 | pablo | I'm not so good at trolling anymore, it seems :( |
| 17:37.38 | pablo | I need an advanced class |
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| 17:38.19 | imploder | **goes to profile |
| 17:38.21 | pault | carols: what does the pending status of the application imply? |
| 17:38.25 | MatthewWilkes | !pending |
| 17:38.27 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
| 17:38.29 | MatthewWilkes | pault: ^^^ |
| 17:38.36 | saksham | that u havent been selected yet... |
| 17:38.41 | saksham | ore rjected yet |
| 17:38.47 | pault | MathewWilkes: :) |
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| 17:39.02 | hartem | !numbers |
| 17:39.22 | mpounta | where do you see the status of the application? |
| 17:39.24 | apapt | Is there list of commands for socinfo? |
| 17:39.32 | pault | saksham: thats comforting |
| 17:39.35 | SRabbelier | !socinfo |
| 17:39.36 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 17:39.37 | SRabbelier | apapt: ^ |
| 17:39.44 | apapt | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 17:39.57 | mukul | can i update my proposal even after tomorrow |
| 17:40.08 | SRabbelier | !edit |
| 17:40.09 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
| 17:40.38 | SRabbelier | !learn edit as Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired. |
| 17:40.39 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
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| 17:41.19 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Already implemented? |
| 17:41.41 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: yes, cutting a release now actually |
| 17:41.52 | |Kev| | \o/ |
| 17:42.14 | mukul | ojwb, can i update my proposal even after tomorrow |
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| 17:42.29 | SRabbelier | mukul: I just said...? |
| 17:42.31 | SRabbelier | shakes head |
| 17:42.39 | SRabbelier | students, they are deaf, blind, and .... |
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| 17:42.53 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Maybe it was a direct question to the org? |
| 17:43.00 | Talad | mukul: usually no |
| 17:43.00 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: If you had to describe students, how would you do it? |
| 17:43.03 | |Kev| | ducks |
| 17:43.15 | hartem | !goodenough |
| 17:43.17 | socinfo | hartem: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 17:43.17 | MatthewWilkes | studious? |
| 17:43.19 | Talad | mukul: the organization may permit it, but it's usually an exceptional case |
| 17:43.29 | hartem | !bug |
| 17:43.30 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: ignorant |
| 17:43.31 | socinfo | hartem: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 17:43.32 | Talad | mukul: you should try to have your best proposal in place by the deadline |
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| 17:45.28 | mukul | SRabbelier, if a mentor needs some more detail in my proposal ,then can i personally convince him on irc or i need to record it into my prposal |
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| 17:46.02 | SRabbelier | mukul: you can leave a comment :) |
| 17:46.13 | betaVersion | hi everyone, i have uploaded my final proposal here : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/gamebit07/2001 please give some feedback. thanks! |
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| 17:46.45 | aghisla | nice! he left his phone number. |
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| 17:47.26 | SRabbelier | everybody call him please |
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| 17:47.33 | SRabbelier | and tell him not to snipe #gsoc again |
| 17:47.55 | aghisla | mails him |
| 17:47.58 | bkgood | lol SRabbelier |
| 17:48.07 | SRabbelier | calling is better |
| 17:48.10 | bkgood | also "I am a decent programmer" really isn't selling oneself well |
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| 17:48.15 | ajedwards | lol |
| 17:48.22 | ArthurLiu | !deadline |
| 17:48.23 | socinfo | ArthurLiu: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 17:48.29 | ajedwards | that proposal looks like the bragging list of a serious moron |
| 17:48.31 | MatthewWilkes | !when |
| 17:48.32 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "when" is later |
| 17:48.33 | gevaerts | bkgood: it's a moral thing :) |
| 17:48.40 | ArthurLiu | looks like rapture is soon |
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| 17:49.40 | bkgood | gevaerts: if being an american has taught me anything, it's that lying to get to the top is always a good idea, because your competition is either doing it and beating you, or not doing it and losing |
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| 17:50.02 | bkgood | or maybe that's just being a person, perhaps that's not america-centric |
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| 17:50.18 | gevaerts | bkgood: I mean a "decent programmer" is not an indecent programmer :) |
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| 17:50.37 | mlankhorst | bkgood: that's just wrong :/ might be an american thing though, europe has it less |
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| 17:50.59 | gevaerts | mlankhorst: yes, but we retaliate by not trusting people who seem to be boasting :) |
| 17:51.05 | ajedwards | heh... sounds like a heap of crap |
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| 17:51.31 | bkgood | gevaerts: given that generally most people exaggerate their programming abilities "decent" generally means "mediocre" or "rubbish" |
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| 17:51.45 | ajedwards | "decent" means "knows many languages badly" |
| 17:51.55 | JanisB | I think if lying is acceptable, "over 9000 lines" could look better than "more than 8000 lines", at least from attention attraction point |
| 17:52.02 | lolfrenz | I still have one hour to write my proposal, right? xD |
| 17:52.03 | lolfrenz | !next |
| 17:52.04 | socinfo | lolfrenz: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 17:52.05 | aghisla | we need a !decent command |
| 17:52.10 | gevaerts | bkgood: "expert" means "beginner", "moderate" means either "beginner" or "expert" and "beginner" means "beginner" :) |
| 17:52.20 | lolfrenz | is it 17:52 UTC? |
| 17:52.21 | wolfb | lolfrenz, yup |
| 17:52.30 | MatthewWilkes | bkgood: Not to me. Decent is a good thing. I'd probably drop a student who misrepresentedhis ability |
| 17:52.35 | wolfb | start typing lolfrenz ;) |
| 17:52.44 | SRabbelier | rofls at wolfb |
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| 17:52.48 | SRabbelier | wolfb: thanks :P |
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| 17:53.08 | ben_endpoint | Must mentors be signed up by the Student Application deadline? |
| 17:53.11 | mlankhorst | JanisB: not really :p |
| 17:53.18 | pecisk | hi people, is it true that deadline for applications where today at noon, not in evening as usual? |
| 17:53.24 | mlankhorst | but then again, I enjoy smaller is better |
| 17:53.30 | MatthewWilkes | pecisk: Noon in PDT |
| 17:53.30 | gevaerts | pecisk: it's at 19:00 UTC |
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| 17:53.52 | wolfb | ben_endpoint, AFAIK, no, the need to be signed up and connected to students by the next deadline |
| 17:53.59 | lolfrenz | wolfb, on it! |
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| 17:54.02 | wolfb | SRabbelier, what? |
| 17:54.03 | bkgood | MatthewWilkes: how does one gauge misrepresentation? I could tell you that I'm quite good with C++ but if my experience is all with Qt and you want stl, did I misrepresent myself? |
| 17:54.04 | aghisla | wow another deadline |
| 17:54.11 | danparker | I don't quite know how, but I left an empty public review on my app? Is there anyway to delete them? |
| 17:54.11 | SRabbelier | wolfb: that made me laugh :) |
| 17:54.16 | g4ur4v | there should be a clock running on melange site |
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| 17:54.42 | wolfb | !deadline |
| 17:54.43 | socinfo | wolfb: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 17:54.48 | ajedwards | misrepresentation can be gagued by "can't do the job you hired them for" |
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| 17:54.57 | jceel | one hour left |
| 17:54.58 | wolfb | g4ur4v, there's ^ your countdown clock |
| 17:55.04 | JanisB | 1h 5 min |
| 17:55.10 | bkgood | MatthewWilkes: there are obvious cases of course like saying one knows lisp when one knows only php but everything else is a shade of grey |
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| 17:55.41 | wolfb | preloads his buffer with "no, sorry, you are too late." |
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| 17:56.06 | MatthewWilkes | bkgood: Well, let's put it this way, if there is something that turns out to be a bald faced lie, rather than an exaggeration, or if the exaggeration is noticable I consider myself lied to and that person, be him student or job applicant is out of there |
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| 17:56.08 | ajedwards | lol! |
| 17:56.10 | lolfrenz | hahaha |
| 17:56.15 | lolfrenz | wolfb, every year, right? |
| 17:56.22 | MatthewWilkes | bkgood: For a job they get no notice period, they're out that day |
| 17:56.23 | wolfb | every year. |
| 17:56.25 | SRabbelier | wolfb: I'm gonna have a blast when the too-lates come in |
| 17:56.33 | MatthewWilkes | and yes, I've done that before |
| 17:56.35 | gevaerts | bkgood: I suspect everyone has some sort of translation filter. I know that for me "expert" means "hasn't found out how much there *really* is to this yet" |
| 17:56.58 | wolfb | is going to dance on crushed hopes of the late students |
| 17:57.03 | lolfrenz | wolfb, they're almost as bad as the students spamming the ml-s |
| 17:57.06 | ajedwards | so every year people turn up minutes late thinking they could have done something? |
| 17:57.08 | lolfrenz | s/ml-s/ml/ |
| 17:57.12 | *** mode/#gsoc [-o wolfb] by mlankhorst |
| 17:57.15 | mlankhorst | bad wolfb :P |
| 17:57.23 | wolfb | lolfrenz, you should type your application, not the chat. :P |
| 17:57.24 | bkgood | MatthewWilkes: of course, it can be quite the game :) |
| 17:57.34 | lolfrenz | wolfb, 1 hour is too much time left. |
| 17:57.37 | aghisla | i'd say, contact the organisation and do an unpaid gsoc |
| 17:57.41 | lolfrenz | wolfb, I can relax a few mins! |
| 17:57.53 | MatthewWilkes | makes a note to be wary of bkgoods at interviews |
| 17:58.09 | wolfb | lolfrenz, XD |
| 17:58.17 | bkgood | MatthewWilkes: remind me where you mentor :p |
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| 17:58.22 | MatthewWilkes | Plone |
| 17:58.26 | SRabbelier | will join wolfb in his dance |
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| 17:58.45 | ajedwards | what happens when someone is chosen for two orgs? do they pick one and the other project dies? |
| 17:59.09 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: not just dies, it burns |
| 17:59.14 | aghisla | they clone him |
| 17:59.15 | ajedwards | lol |
| 17:59.23 | aghisla | and his link ID |
| 17:59.30 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: we ritually sacrifice those to the Melange gods |
| 17:59.37 | ajedwards | i mean do they call back a student who proposed a "close" student |
| 17:59.40 | bkgood | MatthewWilkes: I won't even claim expertise of php, I've tried to forget it |
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| 17:59.54 | ajedwards | bkgood, hehe! php can hurt your life |
| 17:59.55 | wolfb | ajedwards, they MAY get to express their preference. There is a separate dupe meeting to resole dupes |
| 18:00.01 | catalinb | !next |
| 18:00.02 | MatthewWilkes | bkgood: That's great for a python project |
| 18:00.02 | socinfo | catalinb: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:00.05 | ajedwards | ahh fair enough |
| 18:00.34 | bkgood | MatthewWilkes: whoops I'm thinking of zend |
| 18:00.37 | bkgood | whistles |
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| 18:01.43 | kodoque | hmm |
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| 18:01.58 | kodoque | I followed gsoc since the org announcement |
| 18:02.04 | anddam | bye |
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| 18:02.08 | kodoque | And i'm only going to post my proposal now |
| 18:02.15 | DarthGandalf | To join students maililng list need to already be accepted? |
| 18:02.17 | kodoque | sigh |
| 18:02.25 | ajedwards | hopefully they've reviewed it and commented... |
| 18:02.37 | pecisk | question about registration - should I put my english variant of my name? |
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| 18:02.44 | bkgood | DarthGandalf: yes, you're invited to it once you're accepted... don't worry, you're not missing anything |
| 18:02.53 | bobbens | it's silent these days |
| 18:02.55 | DarthGandalf | Ah, ok, thanks... |
| 18:03.00 | bobbens | it'll get really noisy when people get accepted |
| 18:03.05 | MatthewWilkes | pecisk: In shipping details, definately. In the info bits, put both if you can |
| 18:03.34 | pecisk | MatthewWilkes, in format Peteris Krisjanis (PÄteris KriÅ¡jÄnis), something like that? |
| 18:03.50 | bobbens | pecisk: more information the better :) |
| 18:04.00 | aghisla | next time the textboxes will accept the present range minus some random letters |
| 18:04.02 | MatthewWilkes | pecisk: Looks good to me |
| 18:04.03 | aghisla | :P |
| 18:04.05 | SRabbelier | someone is trying to unregister as backup mentor |
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| 18:04.12 | SRabbelier | I feel like gevaerts is trolling me |
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| 18:04.24 | cbh2000 | Hello, everybody! |
| 18:04.28 | algs | Hello World! |
| 18:04.32 | cbh2000 | I*ha* |
| 18:04.34 | algs | Wanted to ask a quick question |
| 18:04.39 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: You've met him, of course you realise he's trolling you. |
| 18:04.44 | ajedwards | haha |
| 18:04.44 | SRabbelier | contemplates setting /mode +m soon |
| 18:04.44 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I haven't sent you any mail for days now! |
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| 18:04.49 | mlankhorst | heh |
| 18:04.54 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: that's what you'd say of course |
| 18:05.08 | |Kev| | /mode +b *!*@* |
| 18:05.12 | mlankhorst | found out my nvidia driver crashes if i dont print like 2 screens to the current screen before starting xorg :x |
| 18:05.15 | mlankhorst | weee |
| 18:05.15 | algs | I have updated to the final version of my proposal. To submit, I suppose I have to just leave it like that right? |
| 18:05.18 | |Kev| | That'll quieten it down. |
| 18:05.30 | ajedwards | |Kev|, just +m it |
| 18:05.36 | |Kev| | algs: If it's in Melange, and it's not marked as withdrawn, it's submitted. |
| 18:05.41 | ajedwards | that'll make people cry when they can't ask if it's too late |
| 18:05.42 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: love it |
| 18:05.48 | bobbens | mlankhorst: you must join the open source ati crowd someday :) |
| 18:06.24 | mlankhorst | I wish, still misses a few features I need for wine ;p |
| 18:06.39 | algs | |Kev|: Yes its in melange. I updated to latest version. Now wont be changing it. So will leave it as it is. |
| 18:06.42 | cbh2000 | I have submitted my proposal, but I didn't know we were supposed to talk to the mentors about our ideas! |
| 18:06.48 | cbh2000 | Any ideas on what I should do? |
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| 18:06.58 | |Kev| | cbh2000: Talk to mentors? |
| 18:06.59 | AlexP | cbh2000: talk to them |
| 18:07.08 | mlankhorst | and the binary ati drivers always introduce a new bug before closing the old one :( |
| 18:07.13 | algs | ? |
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| 18:07.17 | cbh2000 | I have sent an email to the mentor of my idea, but do you know of any other mentors? |
| 18:07.36 | AlexP | cbh2000: You need to get in touch with the project |
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| 18:07.44 | algs | oops, I meant I am done right? Just confirming. |
| 18:08.05 | |Kev| | algs: Should be. |
| 18:08.06 | bobbens | mlankhorst: if you need bleeding edge opengl or powerful extensions, it won't work. However, it is rock solid stable with the gallium3d branch from my experience |
| 18:08.09 | bobbens | even glc works again :) |
| 18:08.18 | bobbens | I'm really happy, but then again I don't expect much :) |
| 18:08.28 | cbh2000 | I have done my research on the project... Do you mean talking to the mentors about it as "getting in touch?" |
| 18:08.36 | mlankhorst | bobbens: yeah but I work on wine, the chance I have to work on new games is slightly higher :) |
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| 18:08.54 | mlankhorst | cbh2000: talking to the community ;) |
| 18:08.56 | AlexP | cbh2000: We have no idea what project you are talking about - get in touch with them on IRC or mailing lists, whatever they prefer |
| 18:08.57 | bobbens | mlankhorst: you can make sure nethack works :P |
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| 18:09.08 | delta_coder | !next |
| 18:09.09 | socinfo | delta_coder: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:09.11 | AlexP | cbh2000: They should have listed how to on their org page |
| 18:09.19 | marcosroriz | WOOT |
| 18:09.23 | cbh2000 | http://en.opensuse.org//openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas#Beautiful_one-click-install |
| 18:09.26 | marcosroriz | just posted my proposal |
| 18:09.39 | konverje | seems like gogle-melange is facing some issues... |
| 18:09.50 | konverje | website is non responsive in india |
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| 18:09.56 | carldani | Hi! |
| 18:10.26 | AlexP | cbh2000: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/opensuse There is a contact section, use it. |
| 18:10.35 | carldani | I just read the worst GSoC application ever. "I want to install Linux". That's it. |
| 18:10.47 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: If you +m the channel can nice people get +v? I like chatting here |
| 18:10.50 | AlexP | carldani: We can all have dreams :) |
| 18:10.50 | ajedwards | carldani, link? lol |
| 18:10.52 | |Kev| | carldani: I assure you, you didn't. |
| 18:10.55 | ajedwards | that's worthy of a read |
| 18:10.57 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: "I want to install windows" is worse |
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| 18:11.04 | asleo | hey guys, is necessary to check 'public' after submitt the proposal? |
| 18:11.05 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: hehe |
| 18:11.06 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: oh wow. |
| 18:11.32 | cbh2000 | AlexP: Thanks! That is exactly what I was looking for... *smacks head* |
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| 18:11.51 | blast007 | asleo: no - if it's public, then anyone with the URL can view it. otherwise it's only the mentors/admins of that org (from what I understand) |
| 18:11.57 | schumaml | |Kev|: what can be worse than that? |
| 18:11.58 | MatthewWilkes | mmm nomnom |
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| 18:12.03 | MatthewWilkes | sausage and egg sarnie good |
| 18:12.08 | asleo | blast007: ok |
| 18:12.10 | laddha_ | can I withdraw a project ? |
| 18:12.18 | |Kev| | schumaml: Not editing the template? |
| 18:12.27 | ajedwards | laddha_, click update then withdraw... |
| 18:12.46 | |Kev| | I'm also fond of "Select me im ece student" |
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| 18:13.00 | carldani | We have 4 more or less good proposals, and a few proposals where I was tempted to say "how dare you even contact us with this junk"... heck, even one of the better proposals essentially said that the student has no idea about our project except some info he found on the website of a competitor... |
| 18:13.17 | cbh2000 | HAHA! |
| 18:13.21 | mlankhorst | O_o |
| 18:13.27 | ajedwards | which project carldani? |
| 18:13.28 | cbh2000 | (Sorry! Did I do that out loud?) |
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| 18:14.11 | danparker | What sort of rough word count would you consider to be good enough? |
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| 18:14.27 | carldani | ajedwards: coreboot... in the past years we had really good proposals, but this year... I have no idea what went wrong (except some of our good contributors not being students anymore) |
| 18:14.30 | ajedwards | danparker, organisation dependant... speak to them |
| 18:14.36 | cbh2000 | I made a 24 page proposal... |
| 18:14.39 | AlexP | danparker: Also, quality not quantity |
| 18:14.58 | ajedwards | carldani, I see.. shame really =/ Hopefully you'll get a couple of long term contributers still! |
| 18:14.58 | cbh2000 | AlexP: 'Tis true. |
| 18:15.02 | laddha_ | ok.....so after withdrawl the organisation can't see my proposal |
| 18:15.03 | Neo-- | cbh2000, 24 page as in somewhere around 12k words? |
| 18:15.05 | armaan | 45 mins remaining |
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| 18:15.11 | cbh2000 | No. |
| 18:15.13 | cbh2000 | A presentation. |
| 18:15.15 | schumaml | "be concise" is part of our template |
| 18:15.16 | carldani | cbh2000: wtf? I'd say a 2-page proposal is the optimal length... |
| 18:15.28 | CrawfordComeaux | !slots |
| 18:15.29 | cbh2000 | *haha* |
| 18:15.29 | socinfo | CrawfordComeaux: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 18:15.34 | carldani | cbh2000: ah. |
| 18:15.34 | cbh2000 | *evil laugh* |
| 18:15.57 | marcosroriz | when we'll know the results? |
| 18:16.01 | raincole | 24pages is not many for a presentation.. I think |
| 18:16.01 | armaan | Thanks every body for your support.... !! |
| 18:16.14 | ajedwards | 24 pages... wow I think I'd have to have a sleep in between reads.. |
| 18:16.15 | carols | marcosroriz: april 25 |
| 18:16.15 | blast007 | marcosroriz: check the timeline that is linked in the topic |
| 18:16.20 | wolfb | I don't think I could be persuaded into reading a 24 page proposal... |
| 18:16.22 | marcosroriz | ok |
| 18:16.23 | cbh2000 | It isn't _that_ long, really. |
| 18:16.34 | cbh2000 | (But that was funny!) |
| 18:16.35 | wolfb | 24 is really long, cbh2000 |
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| 18:16.58 | cbh2000 | I submitted my proposal with about 1000 words, and included a link to the presentation, for clarity. |
| 18:17.18 | bobbens | cbh2000: you should have taped yourself giving the presentation :) |
| 18:17.29 | CrawfordComeaux | My frustration is with students replying to my comments saying they don't think they need to fill in the high-/low-level design fields... |
| 18:17.31 | schumaml | is this 'word count' obsession the result of some educational systems? |
| 18:17.32 | cbh2000 | @bobben: ??? |
| 18:17.36 | Neo-- | cbh2000, ah, ok, thats different :) |
| 18:17.37 | bitner | 24 page proposal?? |
| 18:17.42 | marcosroriz | I recorded a video |
| 18:17.45 | marcosroriz | showing a prototype |
| 18:17.46 | CrawfordComeaux | I've gotten 3 responses like that! |
| 18:17.55 | marcosroriz | of the implementation |
| 18:18.00 | marcosroriz | and explaining the errors |
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| 18:18.08 | marcosroriz | and problems of the stuffs. |
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| 18:18.26 | cbh2000 | "of the stuffs?" |
| 18:18.32 | cbh2000 | What is your proposal? |
| 18:18.47 | marcosroriz | I mean the stuffs that i'm trying to fix on the proposal |
| 18:18.48 | CrawfordComeaux | When do orgs need to rank proposals by? |
| 18:18.54 | ajedwards | 22nd i think.. |
| 18:19.02 | cbh2000 | Oh, your proposal is a fix? |
| 18:19.03 | Gabor_Bernat | yeah, by april 22 |
| 18:19.09 | xdxn | Hi all. Just to make sure: does pending state indicates the proposal has been submitted correctly? |
| 18:19.10 | marcosroriz | basically is a problem fix |
| 18:19.13 | marcosroriz | "Network serialization > Create the possibility to send and share MT4j components across networks with other MT4j applications and implement a showcase application Update " |
| 18:19.21 | ajedwards | xdxn, yes :) |
| 18:19.22 | SRabbelier | takes out the Hammer |
| 18:19.27 | SRabbelier | now behave y'all |
| 18:19.35 | CrawfordComeaux | Ok...but we get slots assigned Tuesday now? |
| 18:19.39 | cbh2000 | I never even thought about proposals for anything other than a project or feature... |
| 18:19.39 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: ping |
| 18:19.48 | marcosroriz | it's a feature |
| 18:19.54 | wolfb | reaches for his LART |
| 18:19.55 | cbh2000 | Oh. :) |
| 18:19.56 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: mind a quick PM? |
| 18:19.57 | gevaerts | reminds SRabbelier that he wanted to talk to CrawfordComeaux |
| 18:19.57 | marcosroriz | but for this feature to work I need to fix a bunch of stuff |
| 18:20.00 | gevaerts | Ah |
| 18:20.04 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: be my guest :) |
| 18:20.05 | gevaerts | is always too late! |
| 18:20.17 | cbh2000 | Microsoft: "It is not a bug, it is a feature!" |
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| 18:20.23 | cbh2000 | :) |
| 18:20.28 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ninja-ed! |
| 18:20.46 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: well done :) |
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| 18:21.48 | Z` | !next |
| 18:21.49 | socinfo | Z`: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:21.58 | marcosroriz | cbh2000: Ubiquitous environment usually have collaboration and sharing. MT4j is a framework for multi touch apps and framework. However their components (graphical stuff) cannot be sended across network. The problem is that they are heavily tied to native stuff (OS threads, OpenGL, and other stuff). So I'm proposing a selective serialization protocol and implementation. So insted of serializing the entire component I'll serialize i |
| 18:22.14 | alpha_jet | !timeline |
| 18:22.15 | socinfo | alpha_jet: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 18:22.20 | wolfb | Z`, start typing! :P |
| 18:22.23 | cbh2000 | Sounds cool! |
| 18:22.35 | alpha_jet | !deadline |
| 18:22.36 | socinfo | alpha_jet: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 18:22.39 | Z` | wolfb :p |
| 18:22.41 | marcosroriz | so it's a fix and a feature :D |
| 18:23.17 | cbh2000 | marcosroriz: So, you are fixing a problem by introducing a feature! |
| 18:23.26 | marcosroriz | yep |
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| 18:23.55 | SRabbelier | just banned someone from Melange |
| 18:23.57 | SRabbelier | first time ever |
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| 18:24.07 | marcosroriz | I hope we dont flodd the channel like last year, otherwise @ops will get mad at us |
| 18:24.11 | chx | !next |
| 18:24.13 | socinfo | chx: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:24.24 | marcosroriz | flood the channel |
| 18:24.27 | marcosroriz | :/ |
| 18:24.32 | apapt | SRabbelier: will you publish some stats about applications? |
| 18:24.38 | chx | will they still be able to edit 36 minutes from now? |
| 18:24.40 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, why? |
| 18:24.41 | SRabbelier | apapt: of course |
| 18:24.44 | SRabbelier | 5k+ now |
| 18:24.48 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: they spam applied to several orgs |
| 18:24.57 | ajedwards | AH! LOL like that'd work? |
| 18:25.06 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: applied as mentor |
| 18:25.11 | cbh2000 | SRabbelier: 5k what? |
| 18:25.11 | hiddenpearls | 5k+ .. same like previous year |
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| 18:25.14 | apapt | SRabbelier: cool.. |
| 18:25.17 | cbh2000 | students? |
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| 18:25.22 | cbh2000 | proposals? |
| 18:25.28 | cbh2000 | Ok... |
| 18:25.33 | SRabbelier | proposals |
| 18:25.33 | eggy_ | Hello, if you proposal gets accepted, can you still chicken out? |
| 18:25.35 | SRabbelier | so far |
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| 18:25.41 | SRabbelier | eggy_: you can, but it's rude |
| 18:25.42 | ajedwards | chicken out? |
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| 18:25.47 | cbh2000 | eggy_: WHAT!?! |
| 18:25.50 | ajedwards | what?! |
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| 18:26.07 | jmole | eggy_: of course |
| 18:26.10 | mlankhorst | carols: so i forgot my proposal :( |
| 18:26.12 | cbh2000 | You can, but if you really want to do this, you wouldn't, would you? |
| 18:26.17 | eggy_ | SRabbelier: the thing is, I submitted a proposal but I'm not yet sure it will fit in my schedule |
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| 18:26.22 | ajedwards | don't apply if you don't WANT it... there are enough people looking to devote their time, honestly.. |
| 18:26.23 | aseem | !next |
| 18:26.24 | socinfo | aseem: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:26.24 | jmole | eggy_: you could always crap out as well, but that would be worse |
| 18:26.25 | MatthewWilkes | eggy_: Once accepted it's too late to find a new student, so you deprive someone else of a slot |
| 18:26.26 | SRabbelier | eggy_: tell your org now |
| 18:26.28 | cbh2000 | Oops. |
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| 18:26.52 | abhi__ | Hey ! |
| 18:26.55 | kblin | eggy_: when will you know? |
| 18:26.59 | cbh2000 | Can you arrange more free time? |
| 18:27.07 | eggy_ | SRabbelier: they know already. At least, the Python software foundation doesn't, but the Cython developers know |
| 18:27.09 | ajedwards | holds head in hands |
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| 18:27.11 | eggy_ | kblin: next week |
| 18:27.32 | eggy_ | MatthewWilkes: really? Even by next week? |
| 18:27.33 | |Kev| | Next week is fine. |
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| 18:27.36 | marcosroriz | do you guys think that the website will go down, like last year, when they announce the students approved? |
| 18:27.39 | cbh2000 | Next week, what? You can discuss more free time, but only after next week? |
| 18:27.43 | |Kev| | It's after acceptance it's a problem. |
| 18:27.45 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: completed the 3-way handshake with that dude |
| 18:27.50 | MatthewWilkes | eggy_: Well, we had one drop out after acceptance but before coding started |
| 18:27.52 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: so you either intercepted the email, or he's elgit |
| 18:27.56 | MatthewWilkes | and we couldn't replace him |
| 18:27.57 | ajedwards | I told the mrs not to book a holiday until gsoc is over... the least you could do is mean it when you APPLY! |
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| 18:28.09 | yuvipanda | wonders how many people will come in one hour after the submission time is over and ask for 'exceptions' :) |
| 18:28.15 | eggy_ | |Kev|: MatthewWilkes so basically you can decline the offer? |
| 18:28.18 | abhi__ | Anyone for Gnome ? |
| 18:28.18 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I'm fully innocent! |
| 18:28.31 | cbh2000 | Gnome? :) |
| 18:28.34 | yuvipanda | abhi__: i believe yeskarthik is gnome :D |
| 18:28.34 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: you said that last time! |
| 18:28.39 | kblin | !anyone |
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| 18:28.41 | socinfo | kblin: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 18:28.44 | kblin | abhi__: ^^^ |
| 18:28.46 | |Kev| | eggy_: If you know next week, you'll be able to either withdraw the application ( SRabbelier ?) or just tell the org and they won't pick you. |
| 18:28.47 | yeskarthik | abhi__, I'm GNOME, now that rhymes :) |
| 18:28.51 | MatthewWilkes | eggy_: It's not an offer, it's acceptance of your request. |
| 18:29.02 | abhi__ | Ok |
| 18:29.02 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: no, last time I said I didn't remember who I was :) |
| 18:29.06 | marcosroriz | !deadline |
| 18:29.07 | socinfo | marcosroriz: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 18:29.11 | eggy_ | |Kev|: MatthewWilkes right, ok. Thanks |
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| 18:29.51 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: hehe |
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| 18:30.04 | wolfb | is envisioning melting student keyboards |
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| 18:30.06 | vh4x0r | what's the rating scale for applications ? |
| 18:30.15 | ajedwards | wolfb, lol! |
| 18:30.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: 5k+ proposals already |
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| 18:30.31 | ajedwards | wolfb, I'm just waiting for another comment saying "change this..." |
| 18:30.34 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: the way it's looking is we'll match last year :) |
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| 18:30.57 | carldani | SRabbelier: Is there any way to check if someone is writing a proposal for my org which is not visible yet? |
| 18:31.05 | SRabbelier | carldani: no :P |
| 18:31.11 | SRabbelier | carldani: what would you do with that info? |
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| 18:31.42 | bitner | SRabbelier: can you make it so that Melange will write an application for me before the deadline?? |
| 18:31.43 | carldani | SRabbelier: I just wanted to check if some student screwed up with the web interface, but would have an otherwise good proposal. |
| 18:31.45 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, carldani might torture them with a "too late" |
| 18:31.56 | wolfb | bitner, LOL |
| 18:32.03 | SRabbelier | bitner: lorem ipsum? |
| 18:32.11 | eggy_ | SRabbelier: do you think that withdrawing the proposal by say, next wednesday is still rude? Do you think I should then withdraw immediately? |
| 18:32.13 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: win |
| 18:32.18 | ajedwards | lorem ipsum might as well be in some of them by the sounds of it! |
| 18:32.38 | SRabbelier | eggy_: next Wednesday is pushing it, but still possible, but tell your org now |
| 18:32.48 | marcosroriz | maybe we could do a automatic computer science paper generator |
| 18:32.57 | bitner | impressed by quality overall this year compared to years past |
| 18:32.58 | ajedwards | I'm considering using lorem ipsum to make up wordcount in an operating systems essay "use linux" <insert lorem ipsum loop> |
| 18:32.59 | eggy_ | SRabbelier: ok |
| 18:32.59 | |Kev| | eggy_: Tell your org now. |
| 18:33.02 | marcosroriz | http://apps.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scicache/262/scimakelatex.80552.GSoC.html |
| 18:33.02 | MatthewWilkes | eggy_: Before the deduplication meeting is fine, after is bad |
| 18:33.10 | carldani | eggy_: just add a big note that you're not yet sure if you have the time, and warn them that you might remove your proposal before the end of the scoring deadline. |
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| 18:33.40 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: wow, that's quite an increase at the end |
| 18:33.55 | selenamarie | is there a way to remove spam proposals? |
| 18:33.55 | SRabbelier | marcosroriz: whaaaah, looks legit! |
| 18:34.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: no lie |
| 18:34.05 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: same way last year though |
| 18:34.13 | kblin | dberkholz: the last few hours proposals have been raining down on me like crazy |
| 18:34.28 | eggy_ | carldani: good idea, thanks |
| 18:34.29 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i guess i would've known that if you sent the data =P |
| 18:34.30 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: already 5245, and it was 51xx not 15 minutes ago |
| 18:34.54 | bobbens | SRabbelier: you need a realtime counter for that |
| 18:34.58 | cbh2000 | Wow! A lot of late-comers-on! |
| 18:35.02 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, Reckon many of them are last minute shots in the dark? |
| 18:35.09 | SRabbelier | bobbens: I have one |
| 18:35.17 | carldani | I think I once applied for GSoC ~10 minutes before the deadline. |
| 18:35.19 | bobbens | SRabbelier: aww, I don't get one? :( |
| 18:35.21 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I've decided to save myself some time and send it after the last applications are in |
| 18:35.25 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, what's the most applications any user has made? |
| 18:35.30 | SRabbelier | bobbens: no, it's the "list all proposals" list |
| 18:35.42 | cbh2000 | Those slackers! I submitted mine at least an hour ago! |
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| 18:35.53 | ajedwards | I submitted mine last week.. |
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| 18:36.03 | carldani | But I didn't care about the money... and I worked on that project anyway, so getting a GSoC slot or not was secondary. |
| 18:36.15 | MatthewWilkes | wow, CNX has 19 applications for their 2 ideas |
| 18:36.16 | hiddenpearls | carldani, and u were accepted ? |
| 18:36.17 | MatthewWilkes | 13 for one |
| 18:36.18 | ajedwards | Gsoc money will pay for my rent - which kinda matters! |
| 18:36.21 | cbh2000 | Actually, I had mine ready, but spent the time polishing it and submitted it last second. |
| 18:36.24 | mrlanrat | Can students still add comments to their proposal after the deadline today? |
| 18:36.26 | ajedwards | fingers crossed I guess.. |
| 18:36.32 | carols | !edit |
| 18:36.34 | socinfo | carols: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired. |
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| 18:36.39 | carols | mrlanrat: ^^ |
| 18:36.48 | nitish | student being chosen is decided by mentors or google officials? |
| 18:36.54 | AlexP | the org |
| 18:37.08 | MatthewWilkes | carols: You sure you don't want to read through them all and decide for us? |
| 18:37.45 | carols | MatthewWilkes: as much as it would tickle me to try to understand the engineering concepts therein (and way over my head), I'll leave it to you :-) |
| 18:37.53 | carldani | SRabbelier: so if I can't check if someone has an unfinished coreboot proposal in melange, could you take a peek? I just want to make sure we're not losing a good proposal. |
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| 18:38.21 | SRabbelier | carldani: if they haven't hit "submit" on their page there's no way anyone can know :) |
| 18:38.41 | mrlanrat | carldani: I'm not sure how to interpret that with respect to comments... |
| 18:38.48 | marcosroriz | I want gsoc money so I can buy cool games |
| 18:38.49 | marcosroriz | :3 |
| 18:38.55 | abhi__ | Do we get "rejected" as our proposal status or it stays as "pending" even after being rejected ? |
| 18:39.10 | carldani | mrlanrat: did you want to ask carols? |
| 18:39.16 | carols | carldani: hm? |
| 18:39.17 | mrlanrat | carols: I'm not sure how to interpret that with respect to comments... (auto fill broke) |
| 18:39.18 | jmole | basically you find out on the 22nd |
| 18:39.34 | SRabbelier | abhi__: it'll say rejected/accepted |
| 18:39.35 | carols | mrlanrat: if this is a melange issue you should ask SRabbelier |
| 18:39.38 | mrlanrat | carldani: yes, my bad. |
| 18:39.44 | carldani | mrlanrat: no problem. |
| 18:39.44 | chx | SRabbelier: so what happened with the how to contact all of our students thread? |
| 18:39.49 | abhi__ | On 22nd. Thanks |
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| 18:39.54 | marcosroriz | carols: Hi carols \o/ --> Hugs from Brazil |
| 18:40.02 | carols | hi marcosroriz thank you :-) |
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| 18:40.06 | SRabbelier | carols: should I add student email address to the "list proposals" page? |
| 18:40.14 | Ujju_ | Will our application status get updated on 22nd OR ON 25th ? |
| 18:40.14 | carols | SRabbelier: who can view it? |
| 18:40.30 | SRabbelier | carols: mentors and admins, student email is already displayed on the individual proposal pages |
| 18:40.32 | carols | Ujju_: on the say we announce accepted students |
| 18:40.34 | carldani | SRabbelier: ah ok, I thought there was a "proposal saved but invisible until explicitly submitted" option. It's been some time since I was a student. |
| 18:40.45 | mrlanrat | I was just wondering I I can add a comment to my proposal after the deadline, not make any edits. |
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| 18:40.47 | carols | SRabbelier: then sure, that seems reasonable to me. |
| 18:40.51 | mlankhorst | carols: so I forgot to submit my proposal :{ |
| 18:40.52 | SRabbelier | carldani: it's called "public", it makes your proposal visible to the world |
| 18:40.57 | SRabbelier | chx: adding in this release |
| 18:41.07 | eoc | |Kev|: heya, around for a short query? |
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| 18:41.16 | |Kev| | Sure. |
| 18:41.23 | eoc | aww, thanks :) |
| 18:41.27 | AlexP | I am hugely impressed with the rate of melange development |
| 18:41.32 | dberkholz | only 20 minutes until the emails full of excuses start |
| 18:41.32 | dhaun | mrlanrat: you can |
| 18:41.37 | dberkholz | can't wait to see the first one |
| 18:41.37 | ishwadeep | erm... suddenly my dashboard has stopped showing my application... should I be concerned? The proposal is still there on it's separate link... |
| 18:41.39 | jpf_admin | carols: an email from you says we will know our slot allocation by Tuesday is that April 19th or 26th? |
| 18:41.39 | carols | AlexP: as am i. we owe them a cookie. |
| 18:41.43 | carldani | SRabbelier: ah ok, thanks for the info. I thought "public" was "public for the org only". |
| 18:41.43 | ajedwards | wolfb, buffer still cocked and loaded? |
| 18:41.44 | mrlanrat | dhaun: thanks |
| 18:41.46 | SRabbelier | AlexP: we try |
| 18:41.46 | AlexP | Someone mention something, bang there it is |
| 18:41.47 | gevaerts | !cookie |
| 18:41.47 | socinfo | gevaerts: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 18:41.49 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Well, my dog ate my 'submit' button. |
| 18:41.56 | SRabbelier | carldani: yeah, the help text now explicitly says that's not what it's for :P |
| 18:41.58 | AlexP | carols: yes, many :) |
| 18:42.04 | SRabbelier | ishwadeep: try clearing your cookies |
| 18:42.07 | gevaerts | We *really* need to be able to direct socinfo's cookies to specific people :) |
| 18:42.12 | wolfb | ajedwards, itäs full of 'no's! |
| 18:42.23 | wolfb | s,ä,', |
| 18:42.44 | JanisB | moonspeak x_x |
| 18:42.44 | ajedwards | wolfb, imagine the tears on keyboards... |
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| 18:42.56 | wolfb | no. |
| 18:43.08 | socketguru | !next |
| 18:43.09 | socinfo | socketguru: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:43.09 | wolfb | that's one ;) |
| 18:43.20 | socketguru | how many minutes left? |
| 18:43.25 | carldani | 16 |
| 18:43.27 | ajedwards | haha |
| 18:43.28 | ishwadeep | 17 |
| 18:43.31 | AlexP | about 17 |
| 18:43.33 | socketguru | :P |
| 18:43.41 | ishwadeep | :) |
| 18:43.42 | sfb | Is it too late start writing a proposal? |
| 18:43.51 | SRabbelier | is not deploying a new release until after the deadline... |
| 18:43.52 | carldani | no, if you're fast it can work out. |
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| 18:43.59 | hiddenpearls | lol |
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| 18:44.01 | AlexP | SRabbelier: wimp :) |
| 18:44.04 | ishwadeep | sfb: can you stop time? |
| 18:44.07 | SRabbelier | AlexP: so tempting :) |
| 18:44.08 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, downtime at 18:58 ? |
| 18:44.19 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: yeah, I think we should avoid that |
| 18:44.31 | apurvtwr | !no |
| 18:44.31 | wolfb | sfb, no, if you have 2 spare keyboards :P |
| 18:44.31 | socinfo | apurvtwr: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 18:44.34 | sfb | ishwadeep: I still ahve new students visiting the IRC channel. |
| 18:44.36 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, wouldn't make much of a difference... |
| 18:45.11 | madrazr | is sad about SRabbelier not deploying the release until deadline :( Would have been fun to watch that :D |
| 18:45.16 | ishwadeep | oh sorry! thought you were a student thinking of writing another application! :| |
| 18:45.18 | madrazr | mixed expressions ftw |
| 18:45.19 | madrazr | :P |
| 18:45.30 | SRabbelier | anyone who wants +v? |
| 18:45.37 | SRabbelier | I'm going to turn on +m in a bit |
| 18:45.46 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v MatthewWilkes] by SRabbelier |
| 18:45.52 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: You'll regret that |
| 18:45.58 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 18:45.59 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I'll -v you |
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| 18:46.01 | madrazr | stays away :) |
| 18:46.03 | AlexP | SRabbelier: You mean we just ask? :) |
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| 18:46.11 | downeym | wants +b |
| 18:46.15 | dberkholz | sure |
| 18:46.16 | wolfb | SRabbelier, I want, so I can spit out !no's :P |
| 18:46.39 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v wolfb] by SRabbelier |
| 18:46.45 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v dberkholz] by SRabbelier |
| 18:46.46 | gevaerts | can probably safely be given +v. He's going to leave his keyboard very soon :) |
| 18:46.47 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v AlexP] by SRabbelier |
| 18:47.01 | SRabbelier | AlexP: yeah, anyone I've seen around in the past few days that acts sane |
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| 18:47.09 | AlexP | SRabbelier: I feel honoured :) |
| 18:47.16 | SRabbelier | :) |
| 18:47.22 | saksham | nooooooo |
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| 18:47.25 | kodoque | Voila proposal submitted |
| 18:47.25 | chopin | woooo |
| 18:47.26 | saksham | time's runing up |
| 18:47.31 | kodoque | damn |
| 18:47.36 | downeym | !next |
| 18:47.37 | JanisB | Can insane people still participate ing GSoC? :) |
| 18:47.38 | socinfo | downeym: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:47.41 | saksham | yes |
| 18:47.43 | saksham | i know |
| 18:47.45 | saksham | ;) |
| 18:47.47 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by SRabbelier |
| 18:47.48 | SRabbelier | allright |
| 18:47.53 | SRabbelier | anyone who needs +v pm me |
| 18:48.00 | carols | thanks SRabbelier |
| 18:48.09 | SRabbelier | carols: 'tis pure self interest :) |
| 18:48.10 | wolfb | SRabbelier, actually I had more thant +v I think... |
| 18:48.27 | dberkholz | want to put something in the topic for people just joining? |
| 18:48.35 | carols | what dberkholz said |
| 18:48.36 | SRabbelier | wolfb: I think you can just ask ChanServ? |
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| 18:50.05 | ajedwards | thanks :) |
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| 18:51.18 | wolfb | Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Channel is temporarily muted; /query SRabbelier for voice! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 18:51.30 | wolfb | ok, lost ops |
| 18:51.34 | wolfb | no matter |
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| 18:51.54 | *** topic/#gsoc by wolfb -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Channel is temporarily muted; /query SRabbelier for voice! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
| 18:52.02 | MatthewWilkes | wolfb: Weird, I thought the google nat was automatically on +o |
| 18:52.11 | dberkholz | it is, according to the access list |
| 18:52.18 | carols | yeah, it is |
| 18:52.19 | wolfb | MatthewWilkes, yea, SRabbelier degraded me :P |
| 18:52.29 | SRabbelier | wolfb: you asked for it, litterally |
| 18:52.35 | wolfb | or I asked him to ... |
| 18:52.37 | ajedwards | lol |
| 18:52.39 | wolfb | indeed XD |
| 18:52.51 | MatthewWilkes | wolfb: The naughty boy! |
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| 18:53.02 | ajedwards | what are the odds i'll get a comment in the last minute I can't fix in time? |
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| 18:53.36 | wolfb | ajedwards: 1 :P |
| 18:53.40 | ArthurLiu | moo |
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| 18:53.54 | SRabbelier | !edit |
| 18:54.05 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v |Kev|] by SRabbelier |
| 18:54.18 | SRabbelier | oh |
| 18:54.21 | SRabbelier | poor socifno |
| 18:54.23 | *** mode/#gsoc [+v socinfo] by SRabbelier |
| 18:54.27 | SRabbelier | !edit |
| 18:54.28 | AlexP | hehe :) |
| 18:54.29 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired. |
| 18:54.35 | ArthurLiu | unrelated news: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/ita-software-acquisition-cleared-for.html |
| 18:54.44 | ArthurLiu | is back at Google :D |
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| 18:54.53 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: welcome back! |
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| 18:55.48 | ajedwards | 4 minutes, what's the count looking like? much increase over the past few mins? |
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| 18:56.02 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: checking |
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| 18:56.30 | |Kev| | I'd guess ours has been a polynomial growth. |
| 18:56.46 | |Kev| | (In the rate, that is) |
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| 18:58.14 | SRabbelier | 5430 now |
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| 18:58.18 | ajedwards | grief! |
| 18:58.34 | SRabbelier | QPS at 12 only |
| 18:58.44 | SRabbelier | wonders if he misremembered the 120 from last year :-/ |
| 18:58.59 | wolfb | SRabbelier, 120 QPS? |
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| 18:59.06 | SRabbelier | wolfb: yeah |
| 18:59.19 | wolfb | That would be quite much! |
| 18:59.23 | MatthewWilkes | wonders if the time on the server is correct |
| 18:59.23 | SRabbelier | wolfb: I know! |
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| 18:59.29 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: probably not |
| 18:59.30 | MatthewWilkes | approx 30 seconds |
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| 18:59.49 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline |
| 18:59.50 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:59.53 | |Kev| | prepares Auld lang syne |
| 18:59.53 | ajedwards | is it time to put a "too late" in the topic yet? |
| 18:59.55 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 18:59.56 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:59.57 | MatthewWilkes | !deadline |
| 18:59.58 | ajedwards | pint |
| 18:59.58 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "deadline" is 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 19:00.01 | MatthewWilkes | fixes |
| 19:00.08 | ajedwards | pint? where did that come from... |
| 19:00.12 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: I think so yes |
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| 19:00.26 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Student application closed. Channel is temporarily muted; /query SRabbelier for voice! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
| 19:00.26 | MatthewWilkes | !forget next |
| 19:00.26 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:00.34 | SRabbelier | yup |
| 19:00.37 | SRabbelier | Melange has switched modes |
| 19:00.41 | SRabbelier | check the homepage in incognito |
| 19:00.43 | SRabbelier | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 19:00.58 | SRabbelier | (it says "mentors: apply now!") |
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| 19:01.13 | SRabbelier | does the final tally |
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| 19:01.26 | AlexP | heh, 18:59:16 was when we got our final proposal :) |
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| 19:01.34 | MatthewWilkes | !learn next as April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 19:01.34 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:01.38 | MatthewWilkes | !forget deadline |
| 19:01.38 | wolfb | LOL we have our last edit at 18:59:50 XD |
| 19:01.38 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:01.41 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: thanks |
| 19:01.44 | ajedwards | wow |
| 19:01.56 | wolfb | that's leaving it to the sacond |
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| 19:01.59 | SRabbelier | I'll have the globally-last edit/submission in a moment |
| 19:02.01 | AlexP | wolfb: Ah, edit - mine was a new submission :) |
| 19:02.07 | SRabbelier | loading 5k entities takes a while |
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| 19:02.31 | carols | SRabbelier: what qps did we get to? |
| 19:02.36 | wolfb | AlexP, don't actually know if it was a submission |
| 19:02.38 | carols | serves tea and sparkling cider |
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| 19:02.43 | carols | good luck to all the applicants :-) |
| 19:02.46 | SRabbelier | carols: almost nothing, it spiked to 15 |
| 19:02.54 | SRabbelier | maybe |
| 19:02.57 | SRabbelier | last year it was so high |
| 19:02.58 | carols | SRabbelier: wow, interesting in comparison to last year |
| 19:03.01 | SRabbelier | because the old UI was slow? |
| 19:03.06 | MatthewWilkes | !learn deadline as 19:00 UTC April 22nd, for mentors, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/fkFFIX |
| 19:03.06 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:03.09 | SRabbelier | spent time optimizing those pages |
| 19:03.23 | SRabbelier | all our pages have sub-second load times now |
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| 19:03.32 | SRabbelier | the old system they were easily in the 3-4 second range |
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| 19:03.42 | SRabbelier | (homepage loads in <100ms for anonymous users! *dance*) |
| 19:03.58 | SRabbelier | carols: also, 120,081 of 164,000 emails sent in the past 12 hours |
| 19:04.16 | SRabbelier | carols: so let's hope there aren't a lot of comments ;) |
| 19:04.17 | ajedwards | :O |
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| 19:04.25 | carols | SRabbelier: wow :-) |
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| 19:04.54 | SRabbelier | total tally is 5474 |
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| 19:05.18 | SRabbelier | the last proposal was created on 2011-04-08 18:59:56 |
| 19:05.24 | MatthewWilkes | wow |
| 19:05.35 | AlexP | impressive |
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| 19:05.44 | ArthurLiu | awesomeness, debian's last was 18:59:31 |
| 19:05.46 | ajedwards | which org was that for? |
| 19:05.52 | SRabbelier | heh, the latest edit got through at 2011-04-08 19:01:05 |
| 19:05.53 | carols | SRabbelier: thats even more procrastination than im capable of |
| 19:05.56 | dberkholz | so we basically doubled the numbers in the last 24 hours? |
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| 19:06.17 | SRabbelier | carols: yeah, respect to one mr Lucas for pulling that off |
| 19:06.23 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's how the students roll |
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| 19:06.44 | dberkholz | not too shabby. not as many proposals as i was hoping for, but still a good set |
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| 19:07.07 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: same as last year, yes? |
| 19:07.09 | SRabbelier | !numapps |
| 19:07.10 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 19:07.18 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: speaking of my own org here =) |
| 19:07.21 | SRabbelier | !forget numapps |
| 19:07.21 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:07.31 | dberkholz | quality's very good, in general |
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| 19:07.48 | SRabbelier | "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 19:07.52 | SRabbelier | I'll update later when I know how many |
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| 19:08.08 | wolfb | dberkholz, it seems that way too for OSGeo... Let's hope they are top-notch, and not just pretty to look at |
| 19:08.10 | LetterRip | ty |
| 19:08.11 | carols | !numapps |
| 19:08.15 | MatthewWilkes | LetterRip: I JUST got your nick |
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| 19:08.24 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: GJ. |
| 19:08.27 | ArthurLiu | we had quite a few good quality submarine proposals that were discussed privately with mentors that popped up today. I now have to go spank my mentors. I told them not to surprise me :D |
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| 19:09.00 | carols | !learn numapps as 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:09.01 | socinfo | carols: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:09.08 | LetterRip | MatthewWilkes: it is a double pun sorta - i needed a nickname for slashdot many many years ago and this was my feeble attempt at cleverness :) |
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| 19:09.16 | dberkholz | yeah, i had a bunch of surprises (or ones i had given up on) come in during the past few hours |
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| 19:09.25 | MatthewWilkes | !numapps |
| 19:09.26 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:09.31 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 19:09.32 | LetterRip | MatthewWilkes: unfortunately about 1% of the population confuses it with 'let one rip' |
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| 19:09.45 | dberkholz | let 'er rip! |
| 19:09.46 | MatthewWilkes | LetterRip: My old, old, old nick was Redalien |
| 19:09.50 | MatthewWilkes | I thought that was obvious |
| 19:09.58 | MatthewWilkes | but people kept pronouncing it re-dalien |
| 19:10.03 | dberkholz | it sounds like a flower |
| 19:10.18 | SRabbelier | goes deploy a release |
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| 19:12.16 | dberkholz | in fact, i'd say the number of strong proposals is identical to last year, even though we got about 20-30 less in total |
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| 19:12.58 | LetterRip | dberkholz: we ended up with more total and more stronger as a percentage of total |
| 19:13.15 | SRabbelier | is rather enjoying the high signal:noise ratio on #gsoc |
| 19:13.20 | MatthewWilkes | NOISE |
| 19:13.23 | SRabbelier | we should +m more often |
| 19:13.35 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
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| 19:13.43 | SRabbelier | appengine doesn't like me |
| 19:13.49 | dberkholz | just make a #gsoc-veterans channel and it'd be almost the same |
| 19:14.15 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: #gsoc-mentors ? |
| 19:14.19 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: then it'd be like the mentors list |
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| 19:14.29 | AlexP | urgh |
| 19:14.35 | dberkholz | i was thinking to match the new mailing list |
| 19:14.41 | MatthewWilkes | it'd have to be advanced gsoc |
| 19:14.51 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: ? |
| 19:14.54 | dberkholz | org-related discussion, as opposed to mostly student-related advice in here |
| 19:15.01 | dberkholz | MatthewWilkes: you missed the memo? |
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| 19:15.09 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: I think I must have |
| 19:15.37 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: gsoc veterans mailing list for non-new orgs |
| 19:15.37 | dberkholz | gsoc-veterans is a new list created this year for experienced orgs to help orgs that are new to gsoc |
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| 19:16.48 | MatthewWilkes | I remember the email now |
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| 19:16.58 | LetterRip | hmmm i missed the memo too :) |
| 19:16.59 | carols | will be sending out emails to the mentors list this weekend too |
| 19:17.06 | carols | memos galore |
| 19:17.08 | carols | for everyone |
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| 19:17.24 | carols | all the memos you can handle |
| 19:17.25 | LetterRip | heh |
| 19:17.32 | hartem | !polls |
| 19:17.33 | socinfo | hartem: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 19:17.40 | MatthewWilkes | carols: My TPS reports are fine! |
| 19:17.41 | AlexP | I dunno, I have quite a high memo capacity |
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| 19:18.38 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i dont know that i agree. im going to need you to go ahead and come in on saturday. |
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| 19:21.40 | SRabbelier | http://awesomescreenshot.com/073b265ae |
| 19:21.47 | SRabbelier | pretty QPS graph ^^ |
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| 19:22.13 | SRabbelier | !numapps |
| 19:22.13 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 19:22.19 | SRabbelier | !forget numapps |
| 19:22.19 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:22.20 | mrwolf | SRabbelier: it is pretty pretty :) |
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| 19:22.41 | SRabbelier | !learn numapps as 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:22.41 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:27.33 | SRabbelier | what do you guys think? |
| 19:27.37 | SRabbelier | safe to -m? |
| 19:27.42 | ajedwards | give it a go |
| 19:27.43 | AlexP | braces |
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| 19:27.56 | ajedwards | no exceptions might be a point... |
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| 19:28.13 | ajedwards | s/point/point to make first |
| 19:28.18 | SRabbelier | oh, right |
| 19:28.19 | SRabbelier | !no |
| 19:28.20 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 19:28.23 | SRabbelier | !exception |
| 19:28.49 | SRabbelier | !learn no as no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 19:28.50 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:28.53 | SRabbelier | !forget no 1 |
| 19:28.53 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:28.54 | SRabbelier | !no |
| 19:28.55 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 19:28.59 | ajedwards | stops spreading viscious rumours of a secret !command which allows exceptions in melange |
| 19:29.02 | ajedwards | i joke |
| 19:29.07 | *** mode/#gsoc [-m] by SRabbelier |
| 19:29.13 | bitner | wants a cookie |
| 19:29.16 | OldMonkey | I'm here to see the chaos! Where is it? :( |
| 19:29.18 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Student application closed. Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
| 19:29.40 | mayanks43 | no chaos :) |
| 19:29.43 | OldMonkey | aw. +m ruined it :'( |
| 19:29.46 | aghisla | serves cookies |
| 19:29.56 | SRabbelier | OldMonkey: sanity preserved |
| 19:30.03 | OldMonkey | indeed :D |
| 19:30.31 | kodoque | How can I look at public proposal? |
| 19:30.37 | bkgood | who can I file an appeal for voice with? |
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| 19:30.52 | SRabbelier | kodoque: you can't without the link |
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| 19:30.59 | SRabbelier | bkgood: lol |
| 19:31.12 | kodoque | ok thx |
| 19:32.04 | saksham | !bored |
| 19:32.12 | redheadphones | !next |
| 19:32.13 | socinfo | redheadphones: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 19:32.43 | saksham | !previous |
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| 19:32.47 | apapt | !melange |
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| 19:32.53 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b saksham!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 19:33.00 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b apapt!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 19:33.03 | SRabbelier | (it's just mute) |
| 19:33.12 | SRabbelier | play with the bot in /query socinfo please |
| 19:33.18 | thorny_hamster | hi everyone |
| 19:33.37 | blast007 | actually, +b is ban. +q is mute :) |
| 19:33.56 | thorny_hamster | i need to move my proposal from TPF queue to OBF |
| 19:34.03 | thorny_hamster | please, help) |
| 19:34.11 | *** mode/#gsoc [-bb saksham!*@* apapt!*@*] by SRabbelier |
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| 19:34.18 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: mute is +q |
| 19:34.22 | saksham | :-/ |
| 19:34.22 | SRabbelier | blast007: I think they got the message anyway |
| 19:34.29 | bkgood | lol |
| 19:34.33 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:34.50 | SRabbelier | !fix |
| 19:34.51 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "fix" is Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 19:34.54 | SRabbelier | thorny_hamster: ^ |
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| 19:35.27 | LetterRip | emails mynick@gmail.com |
| 19:35.30 | LetterRip | hmm didn't work |
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| 19:35.42 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: it's also a stupid filter |
| 19:35.51 | OldMonkey | :P |
| 19:35.55 | LetterRip | heheh |
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| 19:36.03 | OldMonkey | it's a lot calmer this year.. Or did I miss all the action? |
| 19:36.03 | bobdanani_ | Hey everyone, my name is Bob. I submitted the project proposal few seconds late at 19.00 UTC, is is still possible to upload the application manually / by emailing the administrator? |
| 19:36.06 | thorny_hamster | i've contacted Chris and he adviced me to ask here |
| 19:36.06 | LetterRip | how did it know! |
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| 19:36.14 | ajedwards | oh god |
| 19:36.18 | LetterRip | OldMonkey: mute |
| 19:36.24 | OldMonkey | bobdanani_: no. |
| 19:36.28 | downeym | !no |
| 19:36.30 | socinfo | downeym: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 19:36.30 | ajedwards | bobdanani_, no exceptions.. |
| 19:36.41 | chx | bobdanani_: congratulations for being the first who asks for exceptions! |
| 19:36.48 | OldMonkey | lol |
| 19:36.50 | *** mode/#gsoc [+q bobdanani_!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 19:36.54 | ajedwards | there were 2 weeks, 2 whole weeks... =/ |
| 19:36.54 | chx | hey |
| 19:36.57 | chx | be gentle |
| 19:36.58 | LetterRip | lol |
| 19:37.02 | OldMonkey | oh man. why the +q? |
| 19:37.09 | blast007 | or at least the first one since the mute was lifted ;) |
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| 19:38.07 | LetterRip | well i'm sure he isn't the only deadline misser - i think we must have had three that i talked to, who must of changed their mind or slept through the deadline :) |
| 19:38.14 | SRabbelier | OldMonkey: same reason as the +m |
| 19:38.32 | NickZukoski | I just missed the deadline too! |
| 19:38.32 | yklsorok | Hi everyone, my name is Anton. Is it possible to move my proposal from TPF queue to OBF? Thanks. |
| 19:39.00 | LetterRip | yklsorok: see answer above to a similar question |
| 19:39.02 | SRabbelier | !fix |
| 19:39.03 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "fix" is Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 19:39.03 | OldMonkey | NickZukoski: hard luck. Try again next year! |
| 19:39.05 | SRabbelier | yklsorok: ^ |
| 19:39.19 | chx | LetterRip: if it's $5000 I will set *two* alarm clocks. |
| 19:39.21 | OldMonkey | that was quick... |
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| 19:39.31 | LetterRip | chx heheh |
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| 19:39.38 | blast007 | yklsorok was already told what to do as well (he's thorny_hamster) |
| 19:39.38 | chx | LetterRip: also? the best applications were ready *before* the applications *opened* |
| 19:39.41 | ajedwards | chx, true that.. |
| 19:39.44 | LetterRip | chx yeah i don't understand why not submit |
| 19:39.47 | LetterRip | way in advance |
| 19:39.49 | LetterRip | and then update |
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| 19:40.09 | LetterRip | if they have that bad a time management |
| 19:40.15 | LetterRip | probably not applicants we want |
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| 19:40.30 | apurvtwr | what is TPF / OBF ? |
| 19:40.58 | rafl | The Perl Foundation / Open Bio Foundation |
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| 19:41.08 | apurvtwr | oh k :) |
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| 19:41.45 | LetterRip | ah - i thought it was some sort of application limbo |
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| 19:42.01 | bkgood | LetterRip: I personally just submitted today and don't think I should be thought of any less for it, I had a very successful gsoc project last year, I just happen to have a ton of time commitments atm |
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| 19:42.20 | LetterRip | bkgood - well we won't mark folks down for being towards the end |
| 19:42.37 | ajedwards | bkgood, I know what you mean - I've been trying to sort out my application while 3 deadlines were going on.. and an exam |
| 19:42.40 | SRabbelier | bkgood: but there's 0 excuse for being late, yes? |
| 19:42.43 | LetterRip | on time is fine |
| 19:42.48 | LetterRip | just late isn't |
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| 19:43.09 | SRabbelier | deploys new release |
| 19:43.13 | bkgood | SRabbelier: of course, one of my 'other time commitments' is a huge funding allocation program... late apps don't happen |
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| 19:44.08 | janjon | hi, i missed the deadline :-( |
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| 19:44.31 | ajedwards | janjon, how? there were 2 weeks... |
| 19:44.37 | bkgood | janjon: sorry about that, better luck next year :( |
| 19:44.39 | janjon | yes, it's my fault |
| 19:44.58 | SRabbelier | holds the hammer high |
| 19:45.13 | bkgood | of course, you can still work on open source this summer, it's still a very rewarding experience :) |
| 19:45.14 | ajedwards | perhaps your organisation will be able to offer you some mentoring outside SoC.. :) |
| 19:45.15 | janjon | i'm graduating |
| 19:45.30 | bkgood | janjon: ah well either pick up a second major or go to grad school |
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| 19:45.34 | janjon | unless I can get some form of eductaoin |
| 19:45.35 | janjon | :) |
| 19:45.37 | janjon | yup |
| 19:45.43 | janjon | exactly, but I can still mentor eh? |
| 19:45.59 | LetterRip | janjon yep if you are with an org then you can mentor |
| 19:46.16 | ankush | !next |
| 19:46.17 | LetterRip | mentor signups can happen for awhile yet |
| 19:46.17 | socinfo | ankush: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 19:46.20 | janjon | ok... guess I shall not think about it |
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| 19:46.55 | carlasouza | !statistics |
| 19:47.00 | janjon | see you guys next year! perhaps |
| 19:47.06 | SRabbelier | !numapps |
| 19:47.07 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:47.08 | SRabbelier | carlasouza: ^ |
| 19:47.16 | SRabbelier | !learn statistics as see !numapps |
| 19:47.17 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:47.17 | carlasouza | SRabbelier: Thanks! |
| 19:47.35 | SRabbelier | kai: when you fix the bot, can you teach aliasses too? |
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| 19:48.27 | MatthewWilkes | !learn stats as see !numapps |
| 19:48.27 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:48.35 | MatthewWilkes | dammit |
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| 19:48.39 | MatthewWilkes | !forget stats |
| 19:48.39 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:48.45 | MatthewWilkes | !learn stats as see !statistics |
| 19:48.45 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:48.47 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
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| 19:49.08 | wtachi | hm, more students and fewer proposals is good |
| 19:49.27 | AlexP | Maybe :) |
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| 19:49.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you're a bad man |
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| 19:50.45 | carols | just got her first confused email about the proposal deadline |
| 19:51.06 | AlexP | Blaming timezones? |
| 19:51.06 | MatthewWilkes | carols: it's tomorrow, right? |
| 19:51.12 | hypatia | oh dear :/ |
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| 19:51.20 | carols | MatthewWilkes: for you? sure. |
| 19:51.22 | SRabbelier | carols: try /mode +am |
| 19:51.29 | ajedwards | carols, ignore them or engage... I can imagine it getting annoying quickly! |
| 19:51.31 | SRabbelier | damnit pidgin |
| 19:51.35 | SRabbelier | no I don't want am autocorrected to am |
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| 19:51.43 | AlexP | haha :) |
| 19:51.44 | carols | ajedwards: most of my job involves a lot of patience :-) |
| 19:51.46 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Hmm, I am a student⦠|
| 19:51.48 | wtachi | halp me, the calendar says April 22!!!!1 |
| 19:52.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well, deadline extensions are normal in your country, i'm sure. :-P |
| 19:52.06 | SRabbelier | raises the hammer again |
| 19:52.09 | kitallis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.12 | kitallis | !gnome |
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| 19:52.17 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Does a bribe at least go with ti? |
| 19:52.17 | *** mode/#gsoc [+q kitallis!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 19:52.25 | SRabbelier | kitallis: please play with the bot in /query socinfo |
| 19:52.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes: do you have scotch? |
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| 19:52.57 | MatthewWilkes | !gnome |
| 19:52.58 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "gnome" is a small humanoid statue for gardens |
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| 19:53.17 | lolfrenz | when can I start submitting my proposal? |
| 19:53.23 | ajedwards | lol |
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| 19:53.33 | milki | lol |
| 19:53.33 | vladikoff | next year |
| 19:53.35 | AlexP | lolfrenz: In about 50 weeks :) |
| 19:53.49 | lolfrenz | I'll hold my breath |
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| 19:55.43 | LetterRip | ... got to haaave paatience yeah yeah yeah.... |
| 19:56.16 | vegard | hm. some of the proposal updates went into my gmail spam |
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| 19:56.22 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I have a vatted Bunnahabhain, a 16 year old Lagavulin, a 12 year old cragganmore and a 10 year old talisker |
| 19:56.25 | vegard | that's a bit unfortunate, isn't it? |
| 19:56.26 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Take your pick |
| 19:56.44 | SRabbelier | vegard: sad :( |
| 19:56.45 | milki | must say somethign about the quality of the proposals |
| 19:56.46 | carols | MatthewWilkes: you can submit your proposal next week, if that's the case. and i'll take the Lagabulin. |
| 19:56.51 | carols | lagavulin |
| 19:56.52 | SRabbelier | milki: +1 |
| 19:56.53 | carols | more coffee. |
| 19:56.56 | LetterRip | heheh |
| 19:57.05 | vegard | milki: haha |
| 19:57.06 | MatthewWilkes | carols: correct, that's the best of them :) |
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| 19:57.09 | milki | :P |
| 19:57.11 | SRabbelier | carols: acceptance guaranteed? |
| 19:57.21 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I'll apply for Melange |
| 19:57.24 | carols | SRabbelier: for MatthewWilkes? of course. |
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| 19:57.31 | SRabbelier | :) |
| 19:57.46 | sonney2k | is it already known how many student proposals were submitted? |
| 19:57.50 | milki | !poll |
| 19:57.51 | socinfo | milki: "poll" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 19:57.54 | bkgood | !statistics |
| 19:57.56 | socinfo | bkgood: "statistics" is see !numapps |
| 19:58.02 | bkgood | buh |
| 19:58.04 | bkgood | !numapps |
| 19:58.06 | LetterRip | carols - just tell them application deadline is in 50 weeks :) |
| 19:58.06 | socinfo | bkgood: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:58.12 | LetterRip | or so |
| 19:58.19 | carols | LetterRip: good idea :-) |
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| 19:59.12 | SRabbelier | so, only 19 applications for Melange (that's less than last year), and we were on the homepage all the tiem for days |
| 19:59.17 | SRabbelier | concludes that it doesn't make a difference |
| 19:59.29 | bkgood | SRabbelier: did the round timeline change directions? |
| 19:59.29 | carols | SRabbelier: we should let arc know that |
| 19:59.54 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: well no offense but that is wayyy more than i'd expect for your application |
| 19:59.54 | carols | bkgood: we alternate it from time to time to keep you on your toes |
| 20:00.05 | bkgood | carols: answer way better than expected |
| 20:00.21 | chx | CSV export does not contain the application itself, can i export all? |
| 20:00.35 | carols | bkgood: glad to hear it. ill put that on my list of accomplishments for the day |
| 20:00.43 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: asside from GSoC i wouldn't think students would even know of melange? |
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| 20:01.12 | Shekhar29 | s |
| 20:01.26 | LetterRip | ok waaaay was an exageration |
| 20:01.41 | LetterRip | but i would have thought 10 would be the 'expected' number |
| 20:01.55 | LetterRip | maybe not though |
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| 20:02.11 | nishmu | Are the reviewers notified in someway (update in their dashboard or email) when a student posts a new comment on his/her own proposal? |
| 20:02.21 | AlexP | yes |
| 20:02.21 | LetterRip | nishmu: emailed |
| 20:02.25 | Shekhar29 | On my application show status=pending what does it means? |
| 20:02.34 | carols | !pending |
| 20:02.35 | LetterRip | Shekhar29: all of them are |
| 20:02.36 | socinfo | carols: "pending" is neither accepted or rejected⦠yet |
| 20:02.40 | nishmu | thanks |
| 20:02.41 | carols | Shekhar29: ^^ |
| 20:02.51 | cycL0 | :D |
| 20:02.53 | Shekhar29 | thanks |
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| 20:03.12 | LetterRip | Shekhar29: you have entered... the limbo zone |
| 20:03.32 | Shekhar29 | LetterRip:No. |
| 20:03.34 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: probably not |
| 20:03.38 | ajedwards | rejected is such a harsh way to put it... |
| 20:03.39 | SRabbelier | carols: ehhe, yeah |
| 20:03.41 | epps | slaps lolfrenz |
| 20:03.47 | SRabbelier | bkgood: yes it did, by popular request |
| 20:04.08 | lolfrenz | epps, we herd u like proposals so we made u a proposal in a proposal so u can read proposals while u read proposals |
| 20:04.13 | carols | hey epps, i know that was in jest, but let's not do it again even if we think it's funny, eh? |
| 20:04.30 | mlankhorst | rawr |
| 20:04.42 | cycL0 | lol |
| 20:04.44 | mlankhorst | should I just apply again next year? ;p |
| 20:04.46 | LetterRip | 'say no to virual violence' |
| 20:04.47 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 20:04.49 | socinfo | mlankhorst: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 20:04.53 | lolfrenz | it's okay, epps is not manly enough to slap. |
| 20:04.54 | sonney2k | is desperate - we are a new org and have 70 applications by over 60 students - the selection process will definitely be totally unfair |
| 20:05.16 | murilo | !accepted |
| 20:05.16 | LetterRip | sonney2k: sweet what project? |
| 20:05.16 | bkgood | sonney2k: who said anything about fair? :) |
| 20:05.24 | MatthewWilkes | is jealous of sonney2k |
| 20:05.27 | hypatia | sonney2k: how many slots are you aiming for? |
| 20:05.31 | mlankhorst | O_O |
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| 20:05.47 | hypatia | we're a new org and got 33, but about 10 of them are immediate 1's |
| 20:06.00 | sonney2k | I think 10 is the maximum we can handle |
| 20:06.15 | hypatia | sonney2k: 10 is probably waaaay too many for your first year :/ |
| 20:06.28 | sonney2k | hypatia, I hope it will be as easy as this.... |
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| 20:06.32 | LetterRip | hypatia: heh - that is a wierd phenomena but we experienced it our first year too |
| 20:06.38 | sonney2k | LauriEST, http://www.shogun-toolbox.org |
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| 20:06.42 | hypatia | sonney2k: i worked with another org a few years back and 5 was way too many |
| 20:06.47 | hypatia | and we had one mentor for each student |
| 20:06.48 | sonney2k | err LetterRip ^^ |
| 20:06.49 | schumaml | we got 53, and according to some of our mentors, unusually many of them are 'strong' |
| 20:06.52 | hypatia | 2 mentors per student is way better |
| 20:07.16 | |Kev| | Ooh, fun, all our proposals have vanished :D |
| 20:07.18 | LetterRip | sonney2k: interesting topic |
| 20:07.18 | sonney2k | was expecting 10-20 applications |
| 20:07.23 | |Kev| | wonders about a refresh. |
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| 20:07.35 | sonney2k | but there really are very very good ones... |
| 20:07.43 | sonney2k | hmmhh |
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| 20:07.49 | |Kev| | Ah, there we go, panic over. |
| 20:07.52 | MatthewWilkes | stares at the shogun-toolbox site |
| 20:07.52 | murilo | sonney2k: do you are from shogun? |
| 20:07.58 | alinrus | is the number of slots limited to new orgs? |
| 20:08.00 | LetterRip | sonney2k: recommendations - are max of 1 student per mentor for the first time |
| 20:08.09 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: it's not that different from most, is it? :-/ |
| 20:08.11 | cycL0 | Avipar, ssup? submitted? |
| 20:08.33 | Avipar | yoo hey cycL0 â¦. yess all charged up â¦lets get slots |
| 20:08.42 | LetterRip | schumaml: what topic? |
| 20:08.44 | cycL0 | :D yo mon |
| 20:08.48 | LetterRip | er what project |
| 20:09.01 | schumaml | LetterRip: GIMP |
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| 20:09.16 | Shekhar29 | How many slots get by each org? |
| 20:09.26 | LetterRip | schumaml: ah i noticed you guys were getting a way huge number this year |
| 20:09.27 | Avipar | guess |
| 20:09.32 | LetterRip | what was last you for you? |
| 20:09.34 | sonney2k | LetterRip, we have 10-15 mentors but I would better play safe and 'only' use 10 of them |
| 20:09.36 | cycL0 | Shekhar29, : bhak |
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| 20:09.53 | Avipar | :O cycL0 |
| 20:09.54 | cycL0 | Shekhar29, : nt fixed |
| 20:09.58 | wtachi | !slots |
| 20:09.59 | socinfo | wtachi: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 20:10.00 | wtachi | Shekhar29: ^ |
| 20:10.01 | LetterRip | sonney2k: we have 20 or so mentors |
| 20:10.04 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: you're a new org though? likely only to get a few slots, ya? |
| 20:10.07 | Shekhar29 | cycLo:ok |
| 20:10.14 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: it looks really familiar for some reason |
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| 20:10.22 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: eheh, plone? |
| 20:10.30 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, exactly |
| 20:10.39 | SRabbelier | heh :) |
| 20:10.42 | LetterRip | sonney2k: yeah 3-6 seems more typical for a new org |
| 20:10.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: explains why it's so UGLY looking |
| 20:10.59 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: (sorry you were collateral in this insult :P) |
| 20:11.03 | Avipar | LetterRip (Y) |
| 20:11.21 | schumaml | LetterRip: I don't remember the exact values from last year, but iirc it was about the same |
| 20:11.25 | LetterRip | of course my typical guesstimate is rumor mill |
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| 20:11.32 | schumaml | less of them really qualified, though |
| 20:11.42 | LetterRip | schumaml: right |
| 20:11.44 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Yeah, looks like Plone 2.x, I thnk |
| 20:11.57 | cycL0 | i need invitesssssssssss |-O |
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| 20:12.15 | sonney2k | LetterRip, that is what I am afraid of. Choosing 1/10th is very very tough - and we already asked students to just submit a single proposal with potentially multiple topics... |
| 20:12.26 | Avipar | count me in cycL0 |
| 20:12.40 | LetterRip | sonney2k: first thing is request all submitters to do a patch |
| 20:12.53 | LetterRip | sonney2k: that will weed out a reasonable percentage |
| 20:12.58 | cycL0 | nice idea LetterRip |
| 20:13.04 | acemcloud | !next |
| 20:13.05 | socinfo | acemcloud: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 20:13.20 | LetterRip | sonney2k: that often reduces the field by half :) |
| 20:13.26 | sonney2k | LetterRip, several suddenly started voluntarily already! |
| 20:13.33 | cycL0 | :O |
| 20:13.34 | jtnl | hi |
| 20:13.36 | sonney2k | LetterRip, but still good idea |
| 20:13.37 | LetterRip | sonney2k: yep it is typical requirement to have a patch |
| 20:13.56 | sonney2k | LetterRip, it is alreayd difficult to compile the project due to its many dependencies |
| 20:14.08 | cycL0 | ahh |
| 20:14.12 | sonney2k | LetterRip, so we required that already |
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| 20:14.33 | LetterRip | sonney2k: on debian and such compiling is probably not too difficult :) |
| 20:14.33 | SRabbelier | envies LetterRip |
| 20:14.35 | SRabbelier | err |
| 20:14.37 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: even |
| 20:14.45 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: heheh |
| 20:14.57 | LetterRip | yeah we 'only' got 39 this year |
| 20:15.09 | webas | any statistics about proposals? who got most? |
| 20:15.12 | LetterRip | which i think is plenty to sort through |
| 20:15.13 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: still more than double what we got |
| 20:15.24 | sonney2k | LetterRip, well they have to do it from git... and several managed to get this done under *cough* osx *cough* cygwin |
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| 20:15.55 | LetterRip | sonney2k: i suspect it isn't as difficult as you seem to think :) |
| 20:16.15 | gevaerts | sonney2k: git is easy! We just publish the protocol of our VCS and they have to write a client first! |
| 20:16.19 | LetterRip | what build system? cmake? scons? |
| 20:16.33 | sonney2k | gevaerts, heh :) |
| 20:16.41 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: you publish the protocol? They have to reverse engineer ours first |
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| 20:17.09 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: well, they have to crack the password on the website that hosts it first |
| 20:17.15 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: they have to write the protocol, get it approved by management, then write the client |
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| 20:17.26 | AlexP | gevaerts: to be fair, that was "password" |
| 20:17.32 | sonney2k | LetterRip, any lawyers involved? |
| 20:17.36 | AlexP | You got to take security seriosuly |
| 20:17.54 | LetterRip | hehe |
| 20:17.56 | gevaerts | AlexP: yes, but not in ASCII |
| 20:18.24 | LetterRip | off to crush hopes and dreams... er rate proposals :) |
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| 20:21.22 | chx | SRabbelier: CSV export does not contain the application itself, can i export all? |
| 20:21.33 | SRabbelier | chx: I can add it as hidden fields again |
| 20:21.43 | SRabbelier | chx: but newliens tend to mess them up |
| 20:21.50 | SRabbelier | chx: why do you need to export btw? |
| 20:21.54 | chx | i presume :( |
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| 20:22.04 | SRabbelier | I'm adding arbitrary key-value pairs to the proposal list for orgs to use |
| 20:22.12 | chx | SRabbelier: i want to keep a spreadsheet with mentors / proposals |
| 20:22.14 | SRabbelier | per Arc's request |
| 20:22.19 | chx | SRabbelier: oh i guess i can skip it |
| 20:22.25 | chx | nevermind :) |
| 20:22.42 | SRabbelier | chx: ^__^ yay |
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| 20:24.47 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier, sonney2k: compare the site to http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone/PloneExFile/view - if you reduce the text size by 1 notch on that they look almost identical to me |
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| 20:25.49 | exe_ | sorry i did not have time to send my proposal |
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| 20:26.44 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: except all the sidebar stuff |
| 20:26.51 | exe_ | xD xD xD |
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| 20:26.57 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I mean the text styles |
| 20:27.04 | MatthewWilkes | See why it triggered my familiarity? |
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| 20:27.17 | SRabbelier | ah, the boxes and stuff? eyah |
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| 20:31.08 | murilo | !numapps |
| 20:31.09 | socinfo | murilo: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 20:31.37 | yuvipanda | interesting, that number of applications is lesser this year. |
| 20:31.46 | bugQ | 1.467 per student |
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| 20:32.02 | bugQ | I got two in... |
| 20:32.52 | yuvipanda | bugQ, this year, more students but less proposals |
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| 20:33.31 | bitner | subjectively, my org got fewer but better quality proposals than in previous years |
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| 20:34.03 | LetterRip | a quicky question the new 'ignore this proposal' what does it do? just rpevent me from getting updates or something else? |
| 20:34.09 | bugQ | yes, I think students are much more focused on proposals that they have faith in |
| 20:34.16 | bugQ | therefore fewer per student |
| 20:34.29 | bugQ | that is why I put in 2 instead of 3, for my part |
| 20:34.39 | bugQ | (or 4 or 5...) |
| 20:34.42 | LetterRip | heh |
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| 20:35.50 | schumaml | missed the "ineligible" button |
| 20:36.35 | schumaml | it's not there, or is "ignore proposal" supposed to be that? |
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| 20:36.54 | LetterRip | schumaml - that is sort of what i'm attempting to determine |
| 20:36.56 | yuvipanda | bugQ, hmm, i guess that's why I put 1 :) |
| 20:36.59 | yuvipanda | same as last time though :) |
| 20:37.33 | LetterRip | ohh we can allow proposal modifications |
| 20:37.36 | LetterRip | that is handy |
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| 20:37.43 | bugQ | oh cool. |
| 20:37.47 | LetterRip | sometimes we have somewhat overlapping proposals |
| 20:38.58 | |Kev| | Lists have been surprisingly quiet so far. Doesn't look like it's been bad in here either. |
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| 20:40.04 | |Kev| | Maybe most people haven't realised it's closed yet :) |
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| 20:56.36 | SRabbelier | schumaml: it is now |
| 20:56.41 | SRabbelier | schumaml: for admins |
| 20:56.42 | jceel | where is gsoc-2010 project list? |
| 20:56.50 | SRabbelier | jceel: dead |
| 20:56.52 | jceel | :( |
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| 20:58.55 | Uli- | !next |
| 20:58.56 | socinfo | Uli-: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 21:03.58 | ajedwards | What happens if the org. I applied to is affected by the US government shutdown? |
| 21:04.35 | borja | ajedwards: what org? A lot of the developers in our org work for Argonne National Laboratory, which we thought was going to be affected by the shutdown, but we've recently been informed it won't. |
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| 21:05.16 | ajedwards | JPF, they recently sent out an email informing people that the server (nasa hosted) will go down at midnight if there's a shutdown |
| 21:05.32 | borja | yikes |
| 21:05.46 | ajedwards | indeed.. |
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| 21:07.34 | nickbarnesccf | Am I right in thinking that students can still modify submitted proposals? |
| 21:07.53 | gevaerts | only if mentors allow it specifically |
| 21:08.30 | asmeurer | can students see it if their project is "ignored"? |
| 21:08.41 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: yes |
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| 21:08.47 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: so that they can dispute the change if needed |
| 21:08.56 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: they won't be able to update their proposal, but can still leave comments |
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| 21:09.42 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, what are the possible "status" in dashboard? |
| 21:09.49 | ajedwards | (is there a list?) |
| 21:09.57 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: pending |
| 21:10.06 | SRabbelier | is removing that column right now |
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| 21:10.41 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: heh, you're an admin? |
| 21:10.44 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.53 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, I'm a student :) |
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| 21:11.17 | asmeurer | hmm, so what is the purpose of "ignore" exactly, then? |
| 21:11.18 | kblin | SRabbelier: whoa, looks like I missed some of the fun |
| 21:11.18 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: then how is it showing in your dashboard? |
| 21:11.22 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: spam |
| 21:11.26 | SRabbelier | kblin: you did? |
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| 21:11.48 | SRabbelier | kblin: the /mode +m stuff? |
| 21:11.50 | ajedwards | in dashboard I see title and org, when I click a proposal I see Status:pending |
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| 21:12.54 | kblin | SRabbelier: yeah, I fail to see a real reason in backlog |
| 21:12.56 | gnu_user | I was in the process of submitting an application I had been working on for several hours and received the following message when I went to submit "This page is inactive before 2011-03-28 19:00:00 and after 2011-04-08 19:00:00" |
| 21:13.20 | kblin | gnu_user: sounds like you missed the deadline |
| 21:13.24 | asmeurer | does a blatantly copied proposal count as spam? |
| 21:13.28 | jceel | gnu_user, 19:00 UTC time |
| 21:13.29 | SRabbelier | kblin: for sanity! |
| 21:13.34 | jceel | gnu_user, what time zone are you in? |
| 21:13.39 | gnu_user | EST |
| 21:13.43 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: on the proposal page itself? yeah |
| 21:13.51 | gnu_user | well I had been writing it for several hours |
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| 21:13.59 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, on the proposal page, yes |
| 21:14.04 | gnu_user | went to submit and got "This page is inactive before 2011-03-28 19:00:00 and after 2011-04-08 19:00:00" |
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| 21:14.17 | jceel | gnu_user, it's 21:14 UTC now |
| 21:14.25 | gnu_user | worst part was I can't even get back to the page, I saved what I wrote |
| 21:14.28 | gnu_user | oh its UTC? |
| 21:14.31 | gnu_user | ughh |
| 21:14.55 | SRabbelier | raises the hammer |
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| 21:15.08 | kblin | gnu_user: there were several warnings about "submit now" |
| 21:15.10 | gnu_user | Is there a chance I can still submit it to the mentoring organization |
| 21:15.12 | eoc | !no |
| 21:15.13 | socinfo | eoc: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
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| 21:21.28 | socketguru | !next |
| 21:21.30 | socinfo | socketguru: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 21:22.06 | kblin | eoc: somehow we have those every year |
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| 21:23.57 | scgtrp | you're giving out cookies? :D |
| 21:24.11 | gevaerts | !cookie |
| 21:24.13 | socinfo | gevaerts: "cookie" is omnomnom |
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| 21:27.34 | apopelo | did anyone try to submit a comment to a proposal? |
| 21:28.10 | apopelo | i've just submitted a comment but it doesn't show |
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| 21:28.19 | socketguru | comments are also seen by mentors |
| 21:28.20 | socketguru | right? |
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| 21:28.57 | socketguru | I have written some good points on comments replied to a comment of a mentor |
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| 21:29.57 | nave_ | any1 out here can help me out with an opencv problem?? |
| 21:30.04 | AlexP | socketguru: yes |
| 21:31.08 | gevaerts | !anyone |
| 21:31.09 | socinfo | gevaerts: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 21:32.09 | LetterRip | !statistics |
| 21:32.10 | socinfo | LetterRip: "statistics" is see !numapps |
| 21:32.15 | LetterRip | !numapps |
| 21:32.16 | socinfo | LetterRip: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 21:36.56 | SRabbelier | sorry,t hat's fixed |
| 21:36.59 | SRabbelier | apopelo: ^ |
| 21:37.09 | SRabbelier | all student comments were marked private for a while |
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| 21:38.07 | kblin | bad SRabbelier, have a cookie! |
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| 21:38.35 | SRabbelier | kblin: eheh, I'll fix it |
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| 21:41.46 | Michitux | is there already a eta when the average score will be available in the table of proposals? |
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| 21:44.25 | apopelo | SRabbelier: does this mean that i need to repost my comment again? |
| 21:44.38 | SRabbelier | apopelo: no |
| 21:44.41 | SRabbelier | apopelo: it's visible to the mentors |
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| 21:44.47 | SRabbelier | apopelo: and it'll return to being visible son |
| 21:44.57 | apopelo | SRabbelier: ok, thanks |
| 21:45.00 | SRabbelier | !moredata |
| 21:45.01 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it off and on again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 21:45.07 | SRabbelier | (ignore that) |
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| 21:47.10 | nave_ | anyone can help me out with an opencv related problem?? |
| 21:47.25 | gevaerts | !anyone |
| 21:47.26 | socinfo | gevaerts: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 21:47.30 | gevaerts | nave_: ^ |
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| 21:48.58 | gevaerts | nave_: PMing people without asking first isn't considered a proper thing to do |
| 21:49.10 | nave_ | gevaerts : srry |
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| 21:49.47 | nave_ | gevaerts : anywayz...im trying to run the opencv2.1 implementatin of the SURF algorithm... |
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| 21:49.55 | nave_ | using VS2008 |
| 21:50.06 | gevaerts | nave_: did you *read* what socinfo daid? |
| 21:50.08 | gevaerts | *said |
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| 21:50.20 | nave_ | ?? |
| 21:50.27 | gevaerts | !anyone |
| 21:50.28 | socinfo | gevaerts: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 21:50.52 | nave_ | gevaerts : ?? |
| 21:51.06 | gevaerts | nave_: maybe it's not clear, but this channel is #gsoc, not #opencv |
| 21:51.08 | nave_ | ohk |
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| 21:51.24 | nave_ | oh... |
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| 21:53.34 | pushkar | Is it possible to include a proposal after the deadline if the moderator wishes to do so? |
| 21:53.41 | gevaerts | !no |
| 21:53.42 | socinfo | gevaerts: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 21:54.04 | pushkar | how can I do it with a cookie? |
| 21:54.46 | AlexP | you can console yourself |
| 21:55.01 | Aethaeryn | You can modify the timestamp on the cookie to make it look like yesterday |
| 21:55.06 | Aethaeryn | And, hmm, wouldn't work. |
| 21:55.12 | lfzawacki | Does every student question have a clever !directive answer :P ? |
| 21:55.25 | pushkar | haha.. but I was serious.. the moderator should be able to do such a thing |
| 21:55.27 | AlexP | !yes :) |
| 21:55.34 | AlexP | pushkar: Why? |
| 21:55.37 | SRabbelier | pushkar: no |
| 21:55.41 | SRabbelier | pushkar: it's not allowed |
| 21:55.41 | AlexP | You have had a long time to apply |
| 21:55.47 | SRabbelier | pushkar: no exceptions |
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| 21:56.00 | carols | !no |
| 21:56.00 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: might be more clear w/ buttons to have enable and disable separately, and gray the invalid one out |
| 21:56.00 | socinfo | carols: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 21:56.07 | gevaerts | AlexP: socinfo doesn't like extra stuff on the line :) |
| 21:56.09 | pushkar | Ok |
| 21:56.23 | lfzawacki | !yes |
| 21:56.24 | socinfo | lfzawacki: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
| 21:56.25 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: or at least print above/below/beside the button what the current state is |
| 21:56.37 | AlexP | gevaerts: I didn't expect !yes to exist :) |
| 21:56.37 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: can you issue that? |
| 21:56.51 | dberkholz | just about to run out the door for the bus, i'll do it in a bit |
| 21:56.52 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we need to redesign that UI anyway |
| 21:56.59 | dberkholz | like 3 hours |
| 21:57.11 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: np, thanks |
| 21:57.22 | gevaerts | AlexP: we try to make socinfo know about everything relevant! |
| 21:57.24 | gevaerts | !couch |
| 21:57.25 | socinfo | gevaerts: "couch" is An open source couch on which to chill. |
| 21:57.30 | gevaerts | sits down |
| 21:57.39 | gevaerts | !tea and cookies |
| 21:57.40 | socinfo | gevaerts: "tea and cookies" is om nom nom |
| 21:57.51 | SRabbelier | whoah! |
| 21:57.53 | gevaerts | There, what more could one want? :) |
| 21:57.55 | SRabbelier | didn't know it understand multi-word |
| 21:58.02 | SRabbelier | s |
| 21:58.28 | AlexP | gevaerts: So do !sofa and !settee also work? Coach isn't really used over here, and GSoC is international after all :) |
| 21:58.38 | AlexP | *Couch |
| 21:58.39 | chx | if i ignore will the others see the proposal? |
| 21:58.55 | gevaerts | AlexP: well, the couch is said to be open source, you can fork it :) |
| 21:59.03 | AlexP | good point :) |
| 21:59.30 | SRabbelier | chx: no, ignore hides the proposal |
| 21:59.38 | chx | YAY |
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| 22:01.10 | SRabbelier | chx: the status change is visible to the student though |
| 22:01.19 | SRabbelier | chx: it's meant for spam proposals |
| 22:01.25 | SRabbelier | chx: and duplicates |
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| 22:01.39 | chx | SRabbelier: that's what i use it for |
| 22:04.15 | laserbled | !next |
| 22:04.17 | socinfo | laserbled: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 22:06.33 | kblin | SRabbelier: ew, the supybot code is like totally undocumented |
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| 22:07.14 | kblin | the factoid code has no single comment besides the license header and the vim settings |
| 22:07.24 | wolfb | SRabbelier, what's the late count? |
| 22:07.31 | LetterRip_ | real programmers don't need documented code :) <ducks> |
| 22:07.51 | SRabbelier | wolfb: like, 3 |
| 22:08.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: LGTM |
| 22:08.07 | kblin | LetterRip_: I see you're volunteering to add redirection to the factoids module for socinfo |
| 22:08.13 | LetterRip_ | SRabbelier: does the numapps from last year include the 'spam' apps? or is it the apps ater spam |
| 22:08.22 | LetterRip_ | kblin - never claimed to be a real programmer :) |
| 22:08.26 | LetterRip_ | hehe |
| 22:08.33 | LetterRip_ | apps after spam |
| 22:08.34 | SRabbelier | LetterRip_: I'm not sure tbh, I think the latter |
| 22:08.40 | kblin | never claimed I needed one |
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| 22:08.47 | LetterRip_ | kblin heh |
| 22:09.12 | wolfb | SRabbelier, good, but OTOH rather disappointing :P It does mean the carols has been VERY good at communicating the deadline |
| 22:09.38 | carols | thanks wolfb. i will add that to the accomplishments list for the day :-) |
| 22:09.43 | ajedwards | wolfb, just had a latecomer on a org. channel... |
| 22:09.46 | SRabbelier | carols: 5% better |
| 22:09.48 | LetterRip_ | lol |
| 22:09.52 | carols | yep. |
| 22:09.54 | ajedwards | one less that'll bother asking here... |
| 22:10.27 | bugQ | you're taking late submissions? >_> |
| 22:10.33 | ajedwards | no! |
| 22:10.35 | wolfb | bugQ, yup |
| 22:10.35 | k0p | :) |
| 22:10.41 | LetterRip_ | heheh |
| 22:10.41 | ajedwards | lol |
| 22:10.42 | SRabbelier | bugQ: yup, just send an email to /dev/null |
| 22:10.48 | SRabbelier | bugQ: and we'll sort it out right away |
| 22:10.48 | bugQ | haha. |
| 22:10.50 | k0p | heheh |
| 22:11.10 | ajedwards | night guys catch you tomorrow |
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| 22:11.15 | ajedwards | keep the count up :p |
| 22:11.38 | LetterRip_ | heh, a guy was all offended when i suggested that he wasn't appropriate as a mentor for our organization |
| 22:11.46 | wolfb | I actually have an address on my server which uses the /dev/null as it's mailbox :P |
| 22:11.56 | LetterRip_ | although apparently he had no idea what our program did, etc. |
| 22:12.39 | LetterRip_ | since we require mentors to be part of our core dev team |
| 22:12.46 | LetterRip_ | i found it a bit amusing |
| 22:13.30 | wolfb | LetterRip_, yes. a bit amusing would probably have been my feelings too |
| 22:13.51 | LetterRip_ | amusement/bafflement a fine line :) |
| 22:14.34 | SRabbelier | LetterRip_: the art is to not point and laugh where they can see |
| 22:15.05 | LetterRip_ | :) |
| 22:15.40 | David_Honeynet | carols (and colleagues): yeah, good job all - smooth deadline this yeah, low confusion all round :) |
| 22:15.43 | wolfb | SRabbelier, LOL |
| 22:15.50 | carols | thanks David_Honeynet |
| 22:15.57 | LetterRip_ | carols and SRabbelier yep ditto congrats :) |
| 22:15.57 | kblin | deadwhat? |
| 22:16.05 | kblin | is confused |
| 22:16.07 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: we know! I guess you don't know about #make-fun-of-srabbelier? :) |
| 22:16.14 | carols | thanks LetterRip_ |
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| 22:16.23 | kblin | gevaerts: man, that was secret |
| 22:16.26 | carols | SRabbelier did all the work, i just watched |
| 22:16.27 | LetterRip_ | kblin - don't worry you have 50 or so weeks to work on your propsal |
| 22:16.27 | gevaerts | oops |
| 22:16.30 | carols | and said no a few times |
| 22:16.45 | kblin | LetterRip_: oh yay |
| 22:16.48 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I drop by occasionally |
| 22:16.52 | kblin | I'll totally ace that one |
| 22:16.52 | David_Honeynet | bows to SRabbelier ;-) |
| 22:16.53 | LetterRip_ | obviously questioners need to learn to use double negatives with you |
| 22:16.56 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: mocking oneself is an important skills |
| 22:17.01 | SRabbelier | David_Honeynet: thanks ^^ |
| 22:17.14 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: indeed :) |
| 22:17.16 | SRabbelier | carols: you're too kind, you do all the hard keeping-the-idiots-away so we can do the coding |
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| 22:17.20 | ArthurLiu | LetterRip_, I had one of these. A mentor got seriously offended when we rejected his proposals as they gradually slided into off-topic-land, despite our warnings |
| 22:17.39 | LetterRip_ | ArthurLiu: student or mentor? |
| 22:17.41 | kblin | SRabbelier: we need to get O(M) work next year ;) |
| 22:17.43 | ArthurLiu | mentor |
| 22:17.44 | David_Honeynet | SRabbelier: and good grace under sustained whining on the melange changes front too ;-) |
| 22:17.52 | carols | SRabbelier: there's a lot of them. i do my best. |
| 22:17.53 | LetterRip_ | ah |
| 22:18.07 | SRabbelier | kblin: you better have those stickers |
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| 22:18.18 | SRabbelier | David_Honeynet: we try :) |
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| 22:18.50 | kblin | if I won't make it to the summit, I'll mail them to carol |
| 22:18.56 | wolfb | agrees with David_Honeynet. carols did an excellent job of communicating the deadline |
| 22:18.59 | ArthurLiu | he even ended up cc-in carols on the flamethread (carols: I'll reply you with an executive summary of what was going on as things settle down, sorry for the noise) |
| 22:18.59 | kblin | SRabbelier: ^^^ |
| 22:19.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: yay |
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| 22:19.47 | carols | ArthurLiu: i love that i get executive summaries now - when did i become an executive? :-) |
| 22:19.51 | David_Honeynet | carols: do you want orgs to hold off blogging about stats this year until you have updated http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/? |
| 22:19.52 | kblin | so far it looks like I'll have time, though |
| 22:20.01 | carols | checks for a tie around her neck |
| 22:20.13 | carols | David_Honeynet: you can blog about your own org, im ok with that. |
| 22:20.33 | kblin | carols: I saw a tie, but I hopped into my x-wing and blasted it for you |
| 22:20.45 | ArthurLiu | carols, when the length of a day divided by the number of mails you get dipped under 10 seconds |
| 22:20.47 | carols | thanks kblin! you're always looking out for me |
| 22:20.57 | kblin | carols: I mostly like blasting ties |
| 22:21.12 | carols | ArthurLiu: i get about 400 emails a day - does that answer the question? |
| 22:21.13 | kblin | shakes his fist at lucasarts for discontinuing the x-wing series |
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| 22:22.06 | SRabbelier | carols: isn't that the GOOG avg these days? :P |
| 22:22.08 | LetterRip_ | subscribes carols to kernel mailing list |
| 22:22.16 | SRabbelier | carols: or is that excluding eng-misc and whatnot? |
| 22:22.26 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, shush :) |
| 22:22.49 | socketguru | do mentors see the the points written in comments of a proposal too? |
| 22:23.02 | LetterRip_ | socketguru: points? |
| 22:23.09 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: I think Carol deserves executive summaries for better reasons than just #emails she receives :P |
| 22:23.14 | socketguru | some points of a application |
| 22:23.14 | LetterRip_ | socketguru: the scores from other mentors? |
| 22:23.20 | socketguru | no |
| 22:23.32 | kblin | SRabbelier: I'm beginning to see where the patches need to go, I wonder how well printf debugging works with supybot |
| 22:23.36 | socketguru | I meant points related to project idea |
| 22:23.45 | LetterRip_ | socketguru: mentors can see all other mentor and student comments |
| 22:24.01 | SRabbelier | holy crap |
| 22:24.02 | SRabbelier | this spam mentor |
| 22:24.11 | SRabbelier | applied to be a mentor for 62 different proposals!!! |
| 22:24.17 | beng-nl | :( |
| 22:24.20 | SRabbelier | (after they got accepted on accident) |
| 22:24.22 | beng-nl | what a jackass |
| 22:24.27 | SRabbelier | kblin: hahah :D |
| 22:24.31 | socketguru | I have replied a comment of a mentor to answer his question.....i wrote that reply in comment not in the proposal |
| 22:24.37 | socketguru | is that any side effect |
| 22:24.47 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: maybe you could make a special organisation where you put spam mentors and spam students together |
| 22:24.51 | SRabbelier | beng-nl: indeed, I already banned them, but now I have to clean up |
| 22:24.56 | LetterRip_ | yep the mentor will see your comment |
| 22:24.57 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: +many |
| 22:24.58 | ArthurLiu | and feed them Spam |
| 22:24.59 | beng-nl | SRabbelier: good luck |
| 22:25.08 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: and then watch what happens :) |
| 22:25.09 | hypatia | SRabbelier: are their initials SJ? |
| 22:25.19 | socketguru | thanks LetterRip_ |
| 22:25.32 | SRabbelier | socketguru: yes, yes they are |
| 22:25.32 | hypatia | SRabbelier: the mentor-spammer i mean |
| 22:25.39 | SRabbelier | hypatia: ^ |
| 22:25.39 | SRabbelier | sorry |
| 22:25.45 | hypatia | sigh |
| 22:25.52 | hypatia | i actually emailed him back to see if it was an error |
| 22:25.55 | SRabbelier | hypatia: I already de-mentored them everywhere |
| 22:26.02 | hypatia | ok good, i hadn't accepted them |
| 22:26.20 | kblin | hypatia: given that he applied for the two orgs I admin for it was clear it was a spam proposal |
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| 22:26.33 | LetterRip_ | perhaps they wanted a tshirt really badly :) |
| 22:26.36 | hypatia | kblin: i'm only adminning one, so i didn't see that :) |
| 22:26.38 | kblin | so for me it was a "baleeted" |
| 22:26.43 | hypatia | yeah seriously |
| 22:26.51 | SRabbelier | holy fuck |
| 22:26.52 | carols | SRabbelier: its about the average, yeah, for directly to me or something i'm cc'd on |
| 22:26.57 | SRabbelier | they requested to be a mentor for ALL ORGS |
| 22:27.02 | carols | LetterRip_: you sure you want me on there? :-) i might flame everyone |
| 22:27.05 | hypatia | wow |
| 22:27.09 | hypatia | why the hell would someone do that? |
| 22:27.14 | LetterRip_ | carols - ok with me I'm not on it :) |
| 22:27.20 | SRabbelier | hypatia: because they are <expletive>s |
| 22:27.20 | hypatia | talk about tshirt lust |
| 22:27.23 | kblin | SRabbelier: watch it, SRabbelier already had to kick you once, don't make me do this again ;) |
| 22:27.25 | carols | LetterRip_: fair enough :-) |
| 22:27.44 | gevaerts | kblin: at least twice! |
| 22:28.01 | kblin | SRabbelier: I think someone wrote a bot to annoy people |
| 22:28.02 | LetterRip_ | hypatia: yeah 175 tshirts - you could do laudry a little less than twice a year and always have a clean shirt :) |
| 22:28.07 | kblin | at least I hope so |
| 22:28.15 | hypatia | ok i hate to even ask this... but a student i was really hoping would apply screwed up the deadline - is there any way i can get them in after the deadline? (i am fine with a no, i just want to do my due diligence here) |
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| 22:28.23 | kblin | !no |
| 22:28.24 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, I had a student send me an application that was multipages, but devoid of newlines. He said melange wasn't working on his phone. Do you want a bug report? :D |
| 22:28.24 | socinfo | kblin: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 22:28.28 | kblin | hypatia: ^^^ |
| 22:28.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: heh, there was no way to say that any differently though |
| 22:28.35 | LetterRip_ | lol |
| 22:28.43 | hypatia | alright kblin, thanks :) i would just have felt guity if i didn't ask |
| 22:28.54 | kblin | hypatia: fair enough |
| 22:29.12 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: ....... a patch would be nice |
| 22:29.24 | ArthurLiu | I don't know how to debug a symbian browser |
| 22:29.30 | SRabbelier | holds head in hands |
| 22:29.38 | SRabbelier | I don't want to clean up after this <expletive> |
| 22:29.47 | ArthurLiu | :D |
| 22:29.56 | anth | i was away when the deadline hit. can we have an extension so when the deadline hits i can watch the "can i have an extension" requests in real time? |
| 22:30.12 | hypatia | SRabbelier: email the mentors list? |
| 22:30.13 | SRabbelier | anth: we +m -ed the channel, you didn't miss anything |
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| 22:30.21 | anth | aw. |
| 22:30.31 | SRabbelier | hypatia: nothing the mentors can do, "I'm willing to mentor" field is controled user-side |
| 22:30.43 | hypatia | SRabbelier: we can decline them, no? |
| 22:30.52 | hypatia | tries |
| 22:30.58 | SRabbelier | hypatia: oh I can delete his requests no problem |
| 22:30.59 | wolfb | SRabbelier, hypatia's student makes it to a 4? |
| 22:31.04 | SRabbelier | hypatia: it's the "possible mentors" field |
| 22:31.19 | SRabbelier | wolfb: hehe, I suppose :) |
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| 22:31.22 | hypatia | SRabbelier: ahh |
| 22:31.47 | kblin | SRabbelier: write some code to allow us to clean it up? |
| 22:32.03 | SRabbelier | kblin: I'm going to write some code to allow _me_ to clean up any user :P |
| 22:32.07 | kblin | SRabbelier: it's called "crowdsourcing" |
| 22:32.30 | kblin | SRabbelier: it's high up on my bullshit bingo chart |
| 22:32.42 | SRabbelier | kblin: hehe |
| 22:32.47 | kblin | anyway, SIGWIFE |
| 22:32.51 | kblin | see you folks tomorrow |
| 22:32.55 | hypatia | lol |
| 22:34.38 | gadulix | maybe you should mail 24hours before deadline all registered students, that the time is coming :) there won't be so many questions with !no answers :P |
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| 22:35.15 | LetterRip_ | we sent an email on our mailing list 24hrs and 1hr before deadline |
| 22:35.20 | ArthurLiu | gadulix, that's called natural selection |
| 22:35.39 | LetterRip_ | i doubt it changed the numbers though |
| 22:35.39 | SRabbelier | gadulix: the questions would come anyway |
| 22:36.12 | gadulix | hmm I have to subscribe that list :) (no, I haven\t forgotten about deadline ) |
| 22:37.12 | LetterRip_ | heh |
| 22:37.12 | SRabbelier | ok, imma leave this as-is |
| 22:37.15 | SRabbelier | and fix it tomorrow |
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| 22:37.23 | SRabbelier | this is not something to do late-night |
| 22:37.40 | tensa_zangetsu | !timeline |
| 22:37.41 | socinfo | tensa_zangetsu: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 22:37.47 | tensa_zangetsu | !next |
| 22:37.48 | socinfo | tensa_zangetsu: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 22:41.38 | SRabbelier | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv3tadz5Q3o |
| 22:41.41 | SRabbelier | is what I'd like to say |
| 22:41.43 | SRabbelier | to that spammer |
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| 22:42.08 | aseem | lol |
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| 22:43.07 | ikk1 | hello |
| 22:43.20 | wolfb | SRabbelier, LOL! |
| 22:43.25 | carols | ikk1: hello |
| 22:43.31 | SRabbelier | wolfb: *grin* |
| 22:43.42 | SRabbelier | wolfb: credit to carols for reminding me of that performance |
| 22:43.53 | wolfb | It's amazing! |
| 22:44.00 | wolfb | she is very good! |
| 22:44.41 | ikk1 | how do I `subscibe to change to my proposal'? The use guide says there is a button at the top left of the proposal page, which I don't see |
| 22:44.41 | wolfb | I love her attitude when she signs fsck you |
| 22:45.00 | carols | ikk1: SRabbelier can help |
| 22:45.25 | SRabbelier | ikk1: old guide |
| 22:45.28 | SRabbelier | ikk1: you automagically are |
| 22:45.34 | SRabbelier | wolfb: yes, she totally nails it |
| 22:46.34 | LetterRip_ | ikk1: a moderator has to enable editing i think |
| 22:46.37 | LetterRip_ | for a proposal |
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| 22:49.32 | ikk1 | LetterRip_, SRabbelier, thanks |
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| 22:57.05 | koda | is there a way to allow "allow application editing" for all applications? |
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| 23:03.31 | ThomasWaldmann | also got a strange mentoring request |
| 23:04.45 | ThomasWaldmann | s/request/application/ |
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| 23:10.27 | lzhang | Hi All, |
| 23:10.27 | lzhang | I'm an applicant to the 2011 GSOC program. I'm trying to apply to the PCL(PointClouds Library) project and have sent my whole application information to the project mentor. Without realizing there's another application form to file on the gsoc website until shortly before the deadline and the bad network connection, I wasn't able to submit the form before the deadline. Now the mentor of PCL already realized my problem, and asked me to seek help from her |
| 23:10.27 | lzhang | e. |
| 23:10.27 | lzhang | Could anybody help me with this problem? |
| 23:10.28 | lzhang | thank you very much in advance! |
| 23:10.30 | lzhang | Emma |
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| 23:11.38 | jceel | lzhang, try next year. |
| 23:11.43 | blast007 | !no |
| 23:11.45 | socinfo | blast007: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension or an exception. have a cookie instead. |
| 23:11.51 | ThomasWaldmann | lzhang: that's rather unfortunate. didn't you read the FAQ? |
| 23:12.16 | lzhang | yes |
| 23:12.31 | lzhang | the website is not very user friendly |
| 23:12.55 | lzhang | I only noticed that I should send my application to the project email |
| 23:13.00 | lzhang | and I did |
| 23:13.22 | lzhang | and actually the project mentor has an strong interest in working with me |
| 23:13.37 | lzhang | Is there anything I can do? |
| 23:13.53 | lzhang | I sent an email to the discussion mail list |
| 23:14.06 | blast007 | nothing stops you from contributing to their project starting now and then applying again next year |
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| 23:14.34 | blast007 | (assuming they get in again) |
| 23:14.41 | ThomasWaldmann | yeah, that'ld would show real commitment. :) |
| 23:14.56 | lzhang | right ~ |
| 23:15.09 | lzhang | Is anybody here from Google |
| 23:15.12 | lzhang | ? |
| 23:15.19 | ThomasWaldmann | lzhang: maybe wait until you get a response from some google person there (on the ml) |
| 23:15.32 | ThomasWaldmann | you can also ask carols. |
| 23:15.34 | blast007 | lzhang: likely not going to get a different answer from them |
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| 23:15.56 | lzhang | I just want to give it a try |
| 23:15.56 | ThomasWaldmann | but the problem with deadlines is that they are deadlines... |
| 23:16.25 | jceel | afaik there was no exceptions from deadlines ever |
| 23:16.29 | jceel | since first gsoc in 2005 |
| 23:16.45 | blast007 | only time has been when there was miscommunication and then stuff was extended a bit |
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| 23:18.11 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe there should be a "apply as student" big button next year additionally to the "apply as mentor" |
| 23:19.18 | blast007 | wasn't there something like that? |
| 23:19.24 | carols | ThomasWaldmann: there was. |
| 23:20.31 | ThomasWaldmann | carols: did it depend on the login? i only have seen that mentor picture... |
| 23:20.40 | ThomasWaldmann | lzhang: "Students can submit their applications via the Google Summer of Code 2011 site from March 28 - April 8, 2011." |
| 23:20.52 | ThomasWaldmann | from the faq. that is rather clear, isn't it? |
| 23:20.53 | jceel | ThomasWaldmann, that's because student submittion is closed |
| 23:21.33 | jceel | ThomasWaldmann, 10h ago there was bit "apply as student" button on main page |
| 23:21.39 | jceel | s/bit/big/ |
| 23:21.43 | carols | ThomasWaldmann: yes, it depends on who you are logged in as. |
| 23:22.02 | ThomasWaldmann | carols: ah, ok, that explains why i never have seen it. |
| 23:22.46 | ThomasWaldmann | lzhang: are you heavily involved with the project you applied to? |
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| 23:25.20 | lzhang | yes. But it's still April 8 here |
| 23:25.54 | ThomasWaldmann | but after 19:00 UTC (that was specified also, in the timeline) |
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| 23:26.18 | jceel | well, it's 9 April in my time zone ;) |
| 23:26.47 | ThomasWaldmann | lzhang: you're in the US? |
| 23:26.50 | lzhang | yes |
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| 23:28.30 | jceel | btw. |
| 23:28.46 | jceel | it will be nice to provide FAQ diff every year =) |
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| 23:29.51 | tensa_zangetsu | lzhang: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=8&year=2011&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 |
| 23:29.52 | ThomasWaldmann | jceel: or a TOS diff!!1 |
| 23:30.06 | jceel | yeah |
| 23:30.07 | jceel | :D |
| 23:31.07 | ThomasWaldmann | that should be international law. if you make a new version of some legalese, you have to provide diffs. :) |
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| 23:33.56 | lzhang | tensa_zangetsu: yes, I know the time now |
| 23:34.24 | tensa_zangetsu | ok |
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| 23:37.42 | dfighter | tbh I don't get why this amount of people having problem with the deadline, I only decided to apply like 2 days ago too, and yet I pretty much finished my proposal hours before the deadline |
| 23:38.23 | dfighter | submitted a minal one the day I decided and updated it with details later |
| 23:38.27 | dfighter | minimal* |
| 23:38.40 | dfighter | so that I can be sure I make the Google deadline |
| 23:39.20 | ojwb | every year people fail with the deadline |
| 23:39.31 | dfighter | I know that I just don't get why |
| 23:39.31 | ojwb | despite shed loads of "seriously, don' |
| 23:39.43 | ojwb | t leave it until the last minute" advice |
| 23:39.47 | ojwb | human nature |
| 23:40.03 | dfighter | I mean ok at college and university usually you can get by it with penalties |
| 23:40.07 | dfighter | but irl that doesn't work |
| 23:40.15 | ojwb | in reality, the S/N drops off badly as the deadline approaches, so it's really doing the orgs a favour |
| 23:40.22 | tensa_zangetsu | ojwb: you've identified the crux of the problem |
| 23:41.05 | tensa_zangetsu | that's for the earlier observation |
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| 23:41.40 | ojwb | yeah |
| 23:41.55 | dfighter | S/N? |
| 23:42.08 | AlexP | signal to noise |
| 23:42.12 | dfighter | oh |
| 23:42.43 | dfighter | ofc that's a granted |
| 23:42.54 | ojwb | i'm sure some good candidates miss too, which is sad, but hopefully they'll at least learn not to leave it so late again |
| 23:42.56 | dfighter | since the late people can't have the time to get to know the project that well |
| 23:43.25 | ojwb | not just that, the number of one line applications increases too |
| 23:43.34 | AlexP | If you can't manage to submit an application on time then I don't have much hope for the rest of it |
| 23:43.36 | ojwb | or ones which don't even mention the org name |
| 23:44.29 | dfighter | well mine was definitely more than 1 line :P |
| 23:45.05 | dfighter | I don't even see how one could even think it's reasonable to apply with only a few lines o.O |
| 23:45.37 | dfighter | human nature again? |
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| 23:46.20 | tensa_zangetsu | uncertainty and last minute application |
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| 23:47.24 | koda | is there a way to set as editable all applications? |
| 23:47.36 | koda | or is that a bad idea? |
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| 23:55.05 | marcosroriz | I was thinking, if slot are based on the number of proposal, what IF a bunch of spammers start sending nonsense proposal so that they all can get in? |
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| 23:56.01 | Dark_Shikari | marcosroriz: you're missing the part where they mind-control the mentors to not downrate their proposals |
| 23:56.17 | marcosroriz | what you mean? |
| 23:56.32 | Dark_Shikari | it doesn't matter how many slots an org has |
| 23:56.33 | carols | marcosroriz: slots arent only based on the number of proposals. |
| 23:56.35 | Dark_Shikari | they won't accept proposals that are spam |
| 23:56.38 | carols | there are a lot of factors. |
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| 23:56.48 | marcosroriz | because |
| 23:56.55 | marcosroriz | I saw this tweet on the #gsoc timeline |
| 23:57.05 | marcosroriz | "Students spamming #Jato with unrelated proposals. Not cool. #gsoc" |
| 23:57.24 | carols | marcosroriz: that's not cool. and it has nothing to do with slot allocation either. |
| 23:57.53 | marcosroriz | so you guys do a filter for like "actually" proposals? |
| 23:58.13 | carols | marcosroriz: yes. that's why there's an ignore button on the proposals for the mentors. |
| 23:58.25 | marcosroriz | agg |
| 23:58.26 | marcosroriz | ahh |
| 23:58.31 | marcosroriz | I feel better now :) |
| 23:58.32 | marcosroriz | \o/ |