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| 00:02.17 | solardiz | if my understanding is correct, then whenever there are several good student applications for a certain position, the org needs to assign a mentor to one of those before it decides which student to accept. just to hopefully reserve the slot. |
| 00:02.59 | solardiz | then the mentor may be re-assigned and this student left without a mentor not to accept it (and accept another) |
| 00:03.08 | solardiz | sounds right? |
| 00:03.50 | Talad|ZzZ | !slots |
| 00:03.51 | socinfo | Talad|ZzZ: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
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| 00:04.24 | solardiz | Talad|ZzZ: thanks, i read this yesterday and looked at it again a few minutes ago. it does not appear to answer my question. |
| 00:05.19 | solardiz | or rather, my question is based on a certain way to interpret those "Notes", and i wanted to confirm the understanding |
| 00:05.38 | Talad|ZzZ | I think you need an op then |
| 00:06.04 | Talad|ZzZ | I don't think the slots are based on the mentors assigned to specific students |
| 00:06.17 | Talad|ZzZ | I think the slots are provided, then we can arrange the ratings |
| 00:06.26 | Talad|ZzZ | but may just be my understanding of it |
| 00:06.40 | solardiz | but aren't the slots provided based on the number of student-mentor combinations as of a certain date? |
| 00:07.20 | Talad|ZzZ | "Mentor Slots are Announced and adjusted as necessary |
| 00:07.20 | Talad|ZzZ | Tue, April 12, 12am â Fri, April 15, 12am" |
| 00:07.24 | Talad|ZzZ | I think this is the event |
| 00:07.53 | Talad|ZzZ | after that there is another event which is: |
| 00:08.01 | Talad|ZzZ | "Mentoring Organizations make initial student rankings |
| 00:08.01 | Talad|ZzZ | Fri, April 15, 12am â Mon, April 18, 12am" |
| 00:08.16 | Talad|ZzZ | so I'm assuming we get the slots, then we rank, so we can choose the students we want |
| 00:08.28 | Talad|ZzZ | the only problem can be the conflicts with other orgs at that point |
| 00:08.45 | Talad|ZzZ | and that's why then you have: |
| 00:08.46 | Talad|ZzZ | "Deduplication begins: mentor organizations work with one another to resolve duplicates if possible and re-rank student applications accordingly |
| 00:08.46 | Talad|ZzZ | WhenApr 20 â 21 2011" |
| 00:09.01 | Talad|ZzZ | I hope that sequence clarifies it |
| 00:09.37 | Talad|ZzZ | if "Mentor Slots = slots" then my reasoning stands |
| 00:09.59 | solardiz | yes, thanks. where did you find those dates (12, 15, 18)? |
| 00:10.10 | Talad|ZzZ | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 |
| 00:11.00 | solardiz | oh, i was blind. i was reading a textual version of the timeline further down the page (it's easier on my eyes) |
| 00:11.21 | Talad|ZzZ | I think you are not blind |
| 00:11.22 | solardiz | i just assumed they were identical |
| 00:11.24 | Talad|ZzZ | you got this page: |
| 00:11.24 | Talad|ZzZ | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline |
| 00:11.31 | Talad|ZzZ | which has not the top :) |
| 00:11.45 | Talad|ZzZ | maybe |
| 00:11.59 | Talad|ZzZ | but the former is the one linked to main gsoc site |
| 00:12.04 | Talad|ZzZ | so should be easy to find |
| 00:12.18 | Talad|ZzZ | see you |
| 00:12.20 | Talad|ZzZ | I have to go |
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| 00:12.28 | solardiz | see you Talad|ZzZ, and thanks |
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| 00:43.18 | CrawfordComeaux | deadline Friday is 1800 UTC? |
| 00:44.25 | redheadphones | !next |
| 00:44.28 | socinfo | redheadphones: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 00:44.54 | redheadphones | CrawfordComeaux, ^ |
| 00:45.10 | CrawfordComeaux | thanks :) |
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| 00:49.21 | epps | !deadline |
| 00:49.23 | socinfo | epps: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 01:31.07 | JustinS | is anyone A: a project admin and B: noticed applications missing? |
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| 02:03.18 | xdxn | Hi, what can we do about the proposal after the deadline? Can we still update it and discuss about it with mentors there? |
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| 02:05.32 | ImBad | say an org has two types of projects:one involving kernel hacking and the other some sort of gui with some functionality.Question:will the org prefer the kernel hacking proposal more than the other project? |
| 02:05.49 | bawolff | Is melange broken currently, or is it only me its broken for? |
| 02:05.51 | ImBad | or is it purely based on the quality of the proposal? |
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| 02:06.06 | milki | ImBad: ask the org? |
| 02:06.08 | hypatia | ImBad: it will depend on the project, you should ask them. |
| 02:06.12 | ImBad | bawolff:nah it was working 5 min back |
| 02:06.27 | bawolff | When I try to apply, the list of accepted organizations has 0 organizations in it... |
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| 02:06.45 | ImBad | refresh? |
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| 02:08.31 | bawolff | nope still broken |
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| 02:11.22 | xdxn | bawolff: there is no problem here of mine, maybe you should try another browser. |
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| 02:14.10 | bawolff | I just tried chrome |
| 02:14.20 | bawolff | (before was using iceWeasel/firefox) |
| 02:14.27 | bawolff | It also used to work for me |
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| 02:14.57 | bawolff | I've already applied to one organization, I wanted to try applying to a second organization (We're allowed to apply to multiple from my understanding) |
| 02:16.23 | scgtrp | yes, you can apply to multiple orgs but can only do one project |
| 02:16.46 | scgtrp | if both accept you it'll get decided at that point |
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| 02:17.54 | xdxn | i encountered the problem before with chrome, but when i switched to firefox, it's OK. |
| 02:18.08 | bawolff | I'm using an oldish version of firefox, so that could be it |
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| 02:21.03 | brianherman | hello |
| 02:21.11 | brianherman | if your proposal gets shot down |
| 02:21.17 | brianherman | would it be bad to create another one? |
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| 02:23.27 | brianherman | hello |
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| 02:25.48 | brianherman | ping? |
| 02:25.58 | bawolff | xdxn, its also broken for me on opera (Mind you all the browsers I have on my computer aren't exactly the most new version, I generally try to keep old versions since i mostly use them for testing, and that stops me from accidently creating stuff not supported in older browsers) |
| 02:26.31 | brianherman | hey sanshpak |
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| 02:34.13 | Sanshaptak | ^is it for me ? |
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| 02:35.09 | ojwb | brianherman: you mean to the same org? ask them... |
| 02:36.42 | ojwb | personally, if I get a proposal that's just not suitable, I'm happy to get another which learns from the feedback given; if a student kept sending me proposals with the same flaws pointed out in the previous ones, I'd get annoyed |
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| 02:40.44 | xdxn | bawolff, I am sorry to hear that, but i am afraid the browser issue is all i know. |
| 02:41.17 | alinrus | shouldn't we be notified when someone leaves a comment on the application? |
| 02:41.20 | bawolff | no worries, I'll try again tommorow. Maybe it will fix itself. If not I can always try from a library or something |
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| 02:41.38 | bawolff | Since no one else is complaining, Its probably a safe bet its a local issue on my end |
| 02:42.22 | ojwb | alinrus: you should be now, not if the comment was left before some time yesterday |
| 02:42.36 | ojwb | so students, check for comments on older proposals... |
| 02:43.00 | alinrus | ojwb, thanks :) |
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| 02:45.02 | ojwb | hmm, the filter proposals by org no longer seems to work... |
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| 04:19.16 | higery | Hi, everyone, can anyone tell me how to remove the proposals which I do not need ? |
| 04:19.52 | agliodbs | higery: um, can you rephrase that? |
| 04:20.31 | higery | ok, how to delete my unuseful proposals |
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| 04:20.34 | in3xes | there's a button |
| 04:20.45 | in3xes | withdraw |
| 04:20.49 | in3xes | or something like that |
| 04:21.03 | higery | but it does not make effect |
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| 04:21.16 | higery | it's just a 'undo' button |
| 04:21.21 | in3xes | effect? |
| 04:21.29 | in3xes | undo for what? |
| 04:21.42 | higery | undo your modifications on your proposal |
| 04:21.50 | higery | but not delete your current proposal |
| 04:22.02 | in3xes | Oh |
| 04:22.06 | in3xes | I didn't know that |
| 04:22.13 | higery | still thank you |
| 04:22.22 | in3xes | higery, You can try in #melange |
| 04:22.35 | higery | ok , thank you, I'll try |
| 04:25.25 | ojwb | plots the return interval of comet higery |
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| 04:26.05 | ojwb | AIUI, it doesn't undo modifications, it marks the proposal as withdrawn |
| 04:26.24 | ojwb | which means students don't accidentally delete their proposals and then get upset |
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| 04:33.03 | agliodbs | ojwb: wouldn't take that bet |
| 04:33.37 | ojwb | did i offer a bet? |
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| 04:41.21 | agliodbs | ojwb: anyway, I hope the higery isn't applying to our project ... |
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| 04:44.56 | in3xes | hehe |
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| 05:24.59 | apapt | !logs |
| 05:25.00 | socinfo | apapt: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 05:25.49 | kblin | oh man... |
| 05:27.14 | ojwb | kblin: ? |
| 05:27.21 | kblin | Q: Please give as much technical detail as possible about your implementation. A: I will use C. |
| 05:27.38 | ojwb | excellent |
| 05:28.10 | ojwb | has had answers like "Q: Do you have any relevant prior experience? A: No" |
| 05:28.20 | ojwb | which seems to be failing to sell yourself badly |
| 05:28.35 | ojwb | you really couldn't think of a single thing that's at all relevant? |
| 05:29.13 | ojwb | Not a great question actually, since "Yes" is equally useless to us |
| 05:29.20 | bkgood | ojwb: at least they're honest :/ |
| 05:29.45 | bkgood | but yes selling yourself is advisable |
| 05:29.58 | kblin | ojwb: I sure didn't have relevant prior experience for my first gsoc |
| 05:30.29 | ajedwards | "no" is desirable... you can mould the student to your project and they may have more inclination to stay |
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| 05:31.23 | ojwb | well, it's kind of nice if they bring something to the project, rather than just increment the headcount |
| 05:31.43 | kblin | ojwb: I mean, I thought I knew C when I started.. what a mistake :) |
| 05:31.44 | ajedwards | what would you have them bring? apart from cookies? |
| 05:31.55 | ojwb | cookies are good |
| 05:32.40 | ojwb | i'm pretty sure everyone applying has at least used a computer |
| 05:32.54 | ojwb | if not, telling us how they submitted their proposal would be a good story |
| 05:33.15 | bkgood | ajedwards: knowledge of the project's tools (languages, build, ...), knowledge of use cases, general knowledge of algorithms in some cases |
| 05:33.36 | ajedwards | see, that's where the question needs to be revised... it reads as "have you been a part of a project before" to me |
| 05:33.49 | bkgood | obviously not 100% of all three are required but a little of each is nice |
| 05:34.16 | Marchael | can someone post here a url to submit a proposal? |
| 05:34.33 | ojwb | Marchael: it depends on the org |
| 05:34.42 | ojwb | you need to go to the page for the org in melange |
| 05:34.53 | Marchael | ok, thnx |
| 05:35.07 | ajedwards | bkgood, fair call - then it could serve well to ask for "ANY relevant prior experience with... x application (or x tools)" I imagine more newcomers would answer at least something |
| 05:35.16 | ojwb | the actual question is "Do you have any other relevant prior experience (courses taken at college, hobbies, holiday jobs, etc)?" |
| 05:35.28 | ajedwards | ah fair enough |
| 05:35.43 | ajedwards | there's no excuse really for putting nothing |
| 05:35.47 | ojwb | rephrases it to avoid "yes" being a suitable answer |
| 05:37.22 | kblin | ojwb: ah, ok, I had actually worked on an open source project before.. just not as a developer |
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| 05:43.17 | dfighter | well kblin you sure have come a long way since then |
| 05:43.27 | dfighter | just seen your ohloh profile :) |
| 05:44.12 | dfighter | but it's interesting, you have more commits to more projects than me and yet it seems it rates me higher |
| 05:44.25 | dfighter | wonder how they calculate their ratings |
| 05:45.12 | ojwb | you commits are obviously better |
| 05:45.36 | dfighter | well but what's better according to them? |
| 05:45.58 | dfighter | more comments? better code? ( how could their bot even decide that ) |
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| 05:46.13 | ojwb | the kudos rank is just to do with who has given you kudos |
| 05:46.39 | dfighter | but they have another number there |
| 05:46.51 | dfighter | that seems to be an actual developer ranking |
| 05:47.29 | ojwb | the "RANKED n of N"? |
| 05:47.36 | dfighter | yea |
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| 05:47.55 | ojwb | that's just to do with the kudos rank |
| 05:48.02 | ojwb | if you click on it it's clearer |
| 05:48.14 | dfighter | well then it wouldn't recalculate it when you add a new repo |
| 05:48.33 | dfighter | if it was *just* kudos |
| 05:48.37 | ojwb | it seems weird to apply social "like" here, so I've just ignored it myself |
| 05:48.38 | dfighter | sure that must be a factor too |
| 05:48.46 | dfighter | yea |
| 05:48.49 | dfighter | I agree with that :) |
| 05:49.02 | ojwb | I bet if you give kudos to people you tend to get it reciprocated |
| 05:49.22 | dfighter | if I know who it is and like their work |
| 05:49.22 | dfighter | sure |
| 05:49.29 | dfighter | I do reciprocate it |
| 05:49.43 | ojwb | though simon tatham was doing extraordinarily well for someone who didn't even have an account |
| 05:49.48 | ojwb | not sure where he is now |
| 05:49.51 | dfighter | but if say I'd give a kudo to his highness lord of the finns |
| 05:49.55 | dfighter | Linus Torvalds |
| 05:50.00 | dfighter | then I doubt I'd get one in exchange |
| 05:50.01 | dfighter | :D |
| 05:50.17 | ojwb | 4th |
| 05:50.38 | dfighter | yes it's automatic, so you don't have to sign up first |
| 05:50.44 | dfighter | but you can claim the commiter names |
| 05:50.51 | dfighter | if you sign up |
| 05:51.05 | dfighter | there are quite some of these sites lately actually |
| 05:51.09 | dfighter | and they even find you somehow |
| 05:51.21 | dfighter | one of them actually directly asked me to sign up |
| 05:51.32 | dfighter | ( altough probably that was a bot too that found one of my emails ) |
| 05:52.16 | ojwb | zeljic is clearly gaming the system - 1 person month and 3 commits, and 3rd |
| 05:52.32 | dfighter | lol |
| 05:52.48 | ojwb | i think that gives an accurate reflection of how meaningful it is |
| 05:54.20 | dfighter | maybe it uses some ranking like google for search results |
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| 05:54.32 | dfighter | like how many times the person is referenced or such |
| 05:54.41 | ojwb | i doubt that would work well |
| 05:54.57 | ojwb | isn't the Olly Betts who plays drums in the Duke Spirit... |
| 05:55.03 | ojwb | and my name isn't a common one |
| 05:55.19 | dfighter | oh? |
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| 05:55.33 | ojwb | he's still losing the google ratings war with me though |
| 05:55.49 | armaan | hello |
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| 05:58.59 | dfighter | isn't quite sure if he should Google that nick and be shocked and awed |
| 05:59.01 | armaan | anybody here from atomic blue |
| 05:59.28 | dfighter | hi armaan |
| 05:59.33 | dfighter | if you have a question to them |
| 05:59.40 | dfighter | you should probably contact directly them |
| 05:59.48 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 05:59.49 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 06:02.39 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | Im not a mentor but Im applying there! lol |
| 06:03.23 | ojwb | dfighter: that's not my personal jet... |
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| 06:04.04 | ojwb | (assuming you meant my nick) |
| 06:05.07 | dfighter | I meant this page http://survex.com/~olly/ |
| 06:05.22 | dfighter | + the debian package maintainer profile |
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| 06:05.27 | dfighter | :P |
| 06:06.28 | ojwb | that could do with an update |
| 06:06.33 | ojwb | though at least the country is right |
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| 06:14.15 | armaan | thanks :) |
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| 06:25.40 | kai | dfighter: well, my point was more that not having prior experience means much |
| 06:26.03 | dfighter | ofc |
| 06:26.31 | dfighter | I just simply noted that you've done a lot since then ;) |
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| 06:30.34 | kai | dfighter: it's been fun, yes. |
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| 06:30.51 | kai | I've been to more samba-related conferences than work-related conferences |
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| 06:32.54 | hiddenpearls | kai, a Google Summer Coder 2010 got Interviewed here http://www.techistan.com/2011/04/05/muhammad-adnan-shares-his-google-summer-of-code-2011-winner-experience/ |
| 06:33.46 | redheadphones | is something up on melange concerning updating proposals? i just submitted one and i clicked the update button a while ago. |
| 06:33.50 | redheadphones | nothing so far. |
| 06:35.10 | kai | hiddenpearls: I think there's a lot of motivational stuff in angie's linux journal interview as well |
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| 06:38.21 | hiddenpearls | kai, but that's me ;) |
| 06:38.34 | ojwb | "his-google-summer-of-code-2011-winner-experience"? |
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| 06:38.43 | ojwb | so the "build a time machine" project will go well then |
| 06:39.09 | hiddenpearls | ojwb, there's a mistake, it should be 2010 :) |
| 06:39.14 | hiddenpearls | typo mistake ;) |
| 06:39.16 | kai | hiddenpearls: congrats on finishing with the workload you discribe |
| 06:39.31 | ojwb | hiddenpearls: yes, it just seemed amusing |
| 06:39.36 | hiddenpearls | Thanks |
| 06:40.19 | Ophiuchi | I really could do with the time machine project results just about now |
| 06:40.59 | kai | I like how Q3 is "old languages like Perl, Cobol and Fortran" |
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| 07:19.10 | drakefjustin_ | Would anyone want to suggest feedback on my project? The link is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Drakefjustin/Fill-in-the-blanks |
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| 07:20.06 | ojwb | drakefjustin_: you might do better to ask the mediawiki people |
| 07:20.14 | ojwb | different orgs look for different things |
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| 07:20.49 | drakefjustin_ | Sure, thanks |
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| 07:21.16 | ojwb | would expect more detail in the timeline |
| 07:21.29 | ojwb | but I don't know what they'd look for |
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| 07:42.51 | jiageng_yu | why china blocks gsoc page? |
| 07:43.41 | Dark_Shikari | jiageng_yu: probably part of them blocking google |
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| 07:44.05 | Dark_Shikari | Maybe someone posted about the tiananmen square protests there `-` |
| 07:44.34 | vikash | Can I edit my application after submitting it? |
| 07:44.37 | jiageng_yu | it's long years ago |
| 07:44.59 | ojwb | vikash: yes, up until the deadline |
| 07:45.17 | vikash | ok! and for the deadline how many hours are left! |
| 07:45.19 | ojwb | jiageng_yu: it's a question for your government, not for us |
| 07:45.30 | ojwb | 30 or so hours |
| 07:45.32 | vikash | 24+ 4.5? |
| 07:45.35 | vikash | ok |
| 07:46.03 | ojwb | 35 I think, but you really don't want to leave stuff to the last minute |
| 07:46.09 | ojwb | the deadline is strictly enforced |
| 07:46.10 | jiageng_yu | old man politics |
| 07:46.42 | vikash | Ya :) sure |
| 07:46.43 | higery | ojwb: I joined the melange channel, but no one answer my question: how to delete my unneeded proposals. |
| 07:47.07 | ojwb | higery: just withdraw it, that's enough |
| 07:47.22 | higery | ojwb: it does not work |
| 07:47.29 | ojwb | are you sure? |
| 07:47.40 | higery | ojwb: it just undo the modifications, but not delete the proposal |
| 07:47.50 | higery | sure |
| 07:47.52 | ojwb | it doesn't delete it, it flags it as "withdrawn" |
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| 07:48.24 | ojwb | if you really want it totally removed, you'll have to send get the melange devs to do it by hand |
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| 07:49.03 | higery | ojwb: ok. but all of my proposal are listed on one page, so I don't know which is removed and which not. |
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| 07:55.52 | ojwb | higery: I can't see the student view, but there may be a hidden status column |
| 07:56.01 | ojwb | try clicking the grid icon at the lower left of the list |
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| 08:01.27 | higery | ojwb: the grid icon is just used to configure that which column will be shown on the grid. |
| 08:01.36 | ojwb | yes |
| 08:01.40 | higery | nothing else do |
| 08:01.49 | ojwb | there may be a column for "status" or something |
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| 08:02.26 | ojwb | though if you've enough proposals that you can't keep track, you've submitted too many... |
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| 08:02.41 | higery | there isn't such button or sth on my page |
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| 08:03.26 | Guest92424 | hi, what level of skill is required to participate to gsoc ? |
| 08:03.45 | ojwb | !studentguide |
| 08:03.46 | socinfo | ojwb: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 08:03.55 | ojwb | Guest92424: see the "am i good enough" section ^^ |
| 08:04.13 | Guest92424 | thanks |
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| 08:14.54 | kai | ojwb: there's also |
| 08:14.59 | kai | !amigoodenough |
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| 08:15.09 | kai | !goodenough |
| 08:15.09 | socinfo | kai: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 08:15.11 | kai | there |
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| 08:35.56 | tom_ilsinszki | When do I need to send proof of enrollment to Google (and other documents)? Only after being accepted? |
| 08:36.02 | rostayob | Today is the deadlike right? |
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| 08:36.38 | tom_ilsinszki | rostayob: I believe the deadline for applying as a student is on Friday. |
| 08:36.54 | rostayob | tom_ilsinszki: oh ok. |
| 08:37.19 | dfighter | !next |
| 08:37.20 | socinfo | dfighter: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 08:37.33 | MatthewWilkes | tom_ilsinszki: After acceptance |
| 08:37.37 | imploder | but that is for applying. also, we need to send google the documents. |
| 08:37.44 | rostayob | also, I'm pretty sure that I have an internship from google (the "senior engineers" have to review the application but apart from that i'm done), is it bad if I apply and then I can't partecipate? |
| 08:37.51 | tom_ilsinszki | MatthewWilkes: thx |
| 08:37.56 | imploder | no mail from google has come to me yet |
| 08:38.23 | MatthewWilkes | imploder: If you are accepted you will get an email about it |
| 08:38.59 | imploder | the document (enrollment, whatever) are needed only after being accepted? |
| 08:39.05 | dfighter | yes |
| 08:39.25 | imploder | thanks |
| 08:39.37 | MatthewWilkes | !when |
| 08:39.39 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "when" is later |
| 08:39.42 | MatthewWilkes | see? ;) |
| 08:39.53 | gevaerts | !later |
| 08:39.54 | socinfo | gevaerts: "later" is when |
| 08:39.59 | gevaerts | starts spinning |
| 08:40.00 | imploder | !what |
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| 08:44.53 | ojwb | kai: ah, I failed with !amigoodenough last time I tried |
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| 08:45.28 | ojwb | socinfo: learn amigoodenough as Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 08:45.29 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:45.58 | ishwadeep | hi! the organisation i'm applying to asks for some code that I've written... what would be the best way to provide that in my application? |
| 08:46.03 | ojwb | rostayob: it's bad to apply and then drop out |
| 08:47.11 | dfighter | ishwadeep you could try to pastebin some samples, or link them to some source code repository |
| 08:47.26 | dfighter | that's what I am doing |
| 08:47.29 | dfighter | altough no one has asked |
| 08:47.38 | dfighter | but hey good PR is always good to have ;P |
| 08:49.36 | ishwadeep | thanks dfighter, actually it works on some pics n videos, so would uploading a rar on say zshare.net be a bad idea? |
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| 08:49.54 | ishwadeep | because i'll have to provide the pics n videos for their convenience |
| 08:50.18 | |Kev| | (not at anyone here, for my benefit) |
| 08:50.20 | |Kev| | !screenshot |
| 08:50.21 | socinfo | |Kev|: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 08:50.22 | dfighter | pics and videos of your code o.O |
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| 08:50.41 | ishwadeep | no the code does works on pictures and videos |
| 08:50.47 | imploder | ishwadeep: IMHO you should post some code that you think is very good and ideally also related to what you'd be doing in the project (same language or topic...). |
| 08:50.47 | dfighter | oh |
| 08:51.35 | rostayob | ojwb: yeah that's what I wanted to know |
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| 08:51.53 | rostayob | I may add it to the application... mah |
| 08:51.59 | dfighter | ishwadeep then ask them directly what's their preference |
| 08:52.20 | dfighter | regarding media that you want to send them |
| 08:52.47 | dfighter | but I don't see why it would be hard for them to download it from some file sharing service |
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| 08:53.29 | ishwadeep | yeah, thanks a ton! :) |
| 08:53.34 | dfighter | ( unless they happen to live in Australia and the videos are large ) |
| 08:53.47 | rostayob | ojwb: well, that thing "am I good enough" doesn't seem to apply to the proposed haskell projects |
| 08:53.50 | ishwadeep | naah the whole thing won't exceed 10-15 mbs |
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| 08:54.47 | ishwadeep | imploder: that's what I'm doing. thanks! :) |
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| 09:08.44 | lars_kurth | Morning: I just got a student application for GSoC in for a project that the student made up and which wasn't on out list. It is a sensible proposal, so I will try and find a mentor if I can. However, if I don't I assume I can just discard the proposal. Or am I obliged to find a mentor? |
| 09:08.58 | lars_kurth | on our list |
| 09:09.13 | |Kev| | You're not obliged to do anything with it. |
| 09:09.19 | |Kev| | Morally, you should at least reply to it, I think. |
| 09:09.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | lars_kurth: most organizations _promote_ coming with your own idea |
| 09:09.44 | kai | lars_kurth: you can tell the student that you need to find a mentor for it |
| 09:09.47 | |Kev| | If students post ideas not on the list, without discussing them with the org first, they have to accept that it may not be possible to mentor it. |
| 09:09.52 | lars_kurth | |Kev|: I replied to him and telling him the situation. |
| 09:10.00 | kai | lars_kurth: that's a good start |
| 09:10.15 | lars_kurth | We are allowing to promote own ideas, but they ought to be discussed with somebody in the community first and not come out of the blue |
| 09:10.20 | kai | lars_kurth: it would have been better if the student had contacted you first :) |
| 09:10.31 | kai | but you already know that |
| 09:10.38 | kai | not your fault, anyway |
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| 09:11.00 | lars_kurth | OK: I will try my best and we'll see where we get to |
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| 09:16.50 | ojwb | ishwadeep: don't use rar, use an open format |
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| 09:17.37 | ojwb | rostayob: some orgs only have harder projects |
| 09:17.49 | ishwadeep | oh ryt! :) |
| 09:17.54 | ojwb | some have projects suitable for those with less experience |
| 09:18.52 | ojwb | the third para says so explicitly |
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| 09:23.34 | shredder12 | Hi, do I get an option to re-edit the proposal once I submit it on melange? |
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| 09:23.58 | ahel | i think you can click on UPDATE button |
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| 09:24.02 | nitish | shredder12, you can before the application submission deadlines. |
| 09:24.15 | shredder12 | nitish, great. thankyou |
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| 09:28.47 | idank | I'm trying to add a two new lines in the content editor but it doesn't seem to work |
| 09:28.53 | idank | only by manually editing the HTML |
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| 09:32.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | dis: try nao |
| 09:33.39 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: thanks for fixing filtering proposals by org |
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| 09:33.53 | ThePunisher60 | hey everybody |
| 09:34.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: np ^^ |
| 09:34.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: thanks for reporting |
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| 09:34.39 | ojwb | it was driving me spare |
| 09:34.58 | koda|work | hm i got a duplicate submission, how can i delete one? :) |
| 09:35.19 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: btw, why does calculating average scores for the list need another map reduce? |
| 09:35.34 | ojwb | can't you just map to <accumulated score>:<count> ? |
| 09:35.41 | ojwb | the reduce adds each side separately |
| 09:35.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: right, but we don't have count ^^ |
| 09:35.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: not in the list that is |
| 09:36.05 | |Kev| | Add some javacript? :D |
| 09:36.09 | ojwb | guesses he doesn't know the architecture... |
| 09:36.11 | ThePunisher60 | i'm having trouble with signing up for gsoc |
| 09:36.13 | ThePunisher60 | :( |
| 09:36.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: and retrieving all scores in the list does not rank high on my list of performance efficient ideas :P |
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| 09:36.32 | gevaerts | SRabbelier|Lappy: dashboard lists work for me on firefox 3.0 now |
| 09:36.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: (on the proposal page, we retrieve all scores to calculate the avg) |
| 09:36.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gevaerts: yay! |
| 09:36.58 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: oh, it stores total in the DB? |
| 09:37.01 | ThePunisher60 | i can't register .. |
| 09:37.02 | gevaerts | I didn't try any others. X forwarding over slow ssh is slow :) |
| 09:37.08 | ThePunisher60 | anyone had this problem before |
| 09:37.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: yeah |
| 09:37.12 | ojwb | it makes the score column fairly useless sadly |
| 09:37.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !moredata |
| 09:37.26 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it on and off again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 09:37.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ThePunisher60: ^ |
| 09:37.34 | ojwb | I have spam with higher scores than proposals, as everyone agreed it was spam and gave it 1 |
| 09:37.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: right |
| 09:38.21 | ThePunisher60 | i couldn't register on the site i had an error |
| 09:38.29 | ThePunisher60 | well i'll try later |
| 09:38.45 | ThePunisher60 | i just want some information about the competition |
| 09:38.53 | ojwb | koda|work: you can "withdraw" it easily |
| 09:38.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !polls |
| 09:38.56 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 09:38.56 | ThePunisher60 | what languages are used ?? |
| 09:38.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ThePunisher60: ^ |
| 09:39.02 | ojwb | then it doesn't show for the org by default |
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| 09:39.54 | ThePunisher60 | what's this ^ that Srabbelier is doing ?? |
| 09:39.57 | koda|work | ojwb, i can't do that as admin, i have to ask the student, right? |
| 09:40.10 | ojwb | koda|work: oh, yes |
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| 09:40.15 | ojwb | sorry, assumed you were a student |
| 09:40.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ThePunisher60: it means I'm telling you to look at the message above |
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| 09:40.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ThePunisher60: e.g., I told you to " Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it on and off again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0" |
| 09:40.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ThePunisher60: and "Please don't use #gsoc to do polls." |
| 09:41.03 | ojwb | tsk |
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| 09:41.08 | ojwb | it's "off and on again" |
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| 09:41.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !forget moredata |
| 09:41.33 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:41.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !learn moredata as Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it off and on again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 09:41.46 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:41.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !learn moreinfo as Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it off and on again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 09:41.49 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:41.58 | ojwb | now that's service |
| 09:42.03 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: I try |
| 09:42.59 | koda|work | ojwb, np, one can always be considered a student as you never stop learning :p |
| 09:43.38 | ojwb | koda|work: I think there's going to be a "mark ineligible" button - we used to have one |
| 09:44.27 | dis | SRabbelier|Lappy: working, thanks |
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| 09:44.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: correct |
| 09:44.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: madrazr will add that today/tomorrow |
| 09:45.04 | ojwb | cool |
| 09:45.23 | ojwb | though remarkably one of our spammers has actually apologised and withdrawn his one line proposal |
| 09:45.31 | ojwb | I think the apology was longer than the proposal... |
| 09:45.40 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Amazing |
| 09:45.56 | ojwb | he's left the other one line proposal though |
| 09:47.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: most curious |
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| 09:47.49 | koda|work | ah nice |
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| 09:48.22 | koda|work | we are strangely having a lot of application that are either completely out of scope or missing important questions from the template |
| 09:48.33 | koda|work | i wonder if this is normal in the program |
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| 09:48.46 | ojwb | it's sadly common |
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| 09:49.04 | ojwb | if it's only a bit off, a comment often gets them to fix it |
| 09:49.07 | Talad | there are people just rushing a proposal to multiple orgs |
| 09:49.13 | Talad | and they add the minimum |
| 09:49.20 | Talad | thinking the may get selected anyway |
| 09:49.24 | Talad | but it's really not the case |
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| 09:49.33 | Talad | best is to contact them and ask to improve the proposal |
| 09:49.34 | ojwb | so far I've commented on every one, mostly as a social experiment |
| 09:50.04 | koda|work | ojwb, me too, i'm trying to improve all the "incomplete" applications |
| 09:50.16 | koda|work | but most of them applicants don't reply to it :\ |
| 09:50.22 | ojwb | yeah |
| 09:50.34 | ojwb | the worst won't improve, pretty much guaranteed |
| 09:50.35 | koda|work | i mean that's a "-" in "communication skills" :p |
| 09:50.41 | MatthewWilkes | haha |
| 09:50.55 | ojwb | but it may at least educate them that a two line proposal is pointless |
| 09:50.57 | madrazr | SRabbelier|Lappy: yes, was working on it. But somebody (don't want to name) has called for a meeting. So it may get delayed to tomorrow |
| 09:51.21 | ojwb | marks the meeting as ineligible |
| 09:51.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: +1 |
| 09:51.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | madrazr: tell them what ojwb said madhu :D |
| 09:52.00 | koda|work | <3 the sorting feature for the applications table |
| 09:52.33 | madrazr | SRabbelier|Lappy: I did not get what you said. What? :) |
| 09:52.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | madrazr: mark the meeting as inelegible! |
| 09:53.01 | madrazr | SRabbelier|Lappy: ha ha :) |
| 09:53.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | madrazr: (FTR, you should add a new status, 'ignored', instead of 'invalid') |
| 09:53.06 | aghisla | ( non gsoccable) |
| 09:53.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | koda|work: glad you like it |
| 09:53.28 | madrazr | SRabbelier|Lappy: Ok. Good that you told me. I was thinking of using invalid :P |
| 09:53.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | koda|work: thank Mario for his hard work on the list code :) |
| 09:53.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | madrazr: one step ahead of you :) |
| 09:53.49 | madrazr | ojwb: I can't do that unfortunately :P |
| 09:53.54 | madrazr | SRabbelier|Lappy: heh sure! |
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| 09:56.46 | nitish | if two brilliant students apply for a single proposal can the organisation shift one student to some other proposal if there are hardly any good applications for that? |
| 09:57.04 | |Kev| | nitish: You can ask the student to apply for another projec.t |
| 09:57.12 | |Kev| | You can't force them to take a project they didn't apply to. |
| 09:57.42 | |Kev| | You could also let both students do the same project, independently. This has obvious drawbacks, but remains an option for exceptional circumstances. |
| 09:58.17 | nitish | |Kev|, yeah all this to be done before application deadlines? :) |
| 09:58.36 | |Kev| | Right. |
| 09:58.37 | ojwb | also worth seeing if they've applied elsewhere - you might find you're just the backup application for one or both |
| 09:58.52 | nitish | lol |
| 09:58.57 | nitish | :) |
| 09:59.25 | nitish | |Kev|, and ojwb I am applying as a student btw not as a mentor. Wondering how would mentors respond to such circumstances. |
| 09:59.29 | nitish | :) |
| 09:59.38 | |Kev| | You have the answer, anyway :) |
| 10:00.07 | koda|work | oh is it possible to check if a student has applied for other orgs? |
| 10:00.11 | nitish | I have put heart and soul in my applcation and applying to just one organisation, but I also see another brillinat guy applying there! |
| 10:00.14 | nitish | :) |
| 10:00.18 | ojwb | koda|work: you can ask them |
| 10:00.19 | |Kev| | koda|work: Sure, orgs can ask them. |
| 10:00.30 | |Kev| | koda|work: Orgs will also be told if there are likely collisions. |
| 10:00.35 | |Kev| | s/collisions/conflicts/ |
| 10:00.46 | ojwb | you can also look at the url for the proposal - if it doesn't end /1 then it's likely they've applied elsewhere previously |
| 10:00.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: nasty hack |
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| 10:01.12 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: that's the best sort |
| 10:02.07 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: truth |
| 10:02.30 | MatthewWilkes | o_O |
| 10:02.34 | MatthewWilkes | Some of mine are 5001 |
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| 10:02.46 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: it usually goes in 1000 increments |
| 10:02.49 | ojwb | but not always |
| 10:03.00 | MatthewWilkes | They mostly come in thousands, mostly. |
| 10:03.36 | koda|work | or they wrote 5000 applications |
| 10:03.42 | ojwb | max is 20 |
| 10:03.46 | koda|work | no wonder they skip some questions :D |
| 10:04.25 | ojwb | though 20 seems too high to me |
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| 10:05.31 | nickbarnesccf | !stats |
| 10:05.32 | socinfo | nickbarnesccf: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
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| 10:05.40 | David_Honeynet | nitish: in the past we've taken two students to work on the same project, each with a different approach, so if your org has the slots/mentors they might be able to support that |
| 10:06.26 | nickbarnesccf | how many orgs applied this year? I remember 400+, is that correct? |
| 10:06.29 | ojwb | David_Honeynet: how did it work out? |
| 10:06.31 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 10:06.32 | Myth17 | David_Honeynet, I did ask them ,my organisation policy is to take only one student per proposals. |
| 10:06.32 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 10:06.39 | nickbarnesccf | thanks. |
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| 10:07.00 | ojwb | it was 430 originally, but apparently 13 were duplicates |
| 10:07.17 | David_Honeynet | ojwb: in one case, we the projects went in different directions so effectively became different projects |
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| 10:07.37 | David_Honeynet | in the other case, both successfully delivered code that met the goal in different ways |
| 10:07.57 | ojwb | did either/both student stay engaged in the latter case? |
| 10:08.36 | David_Honeynet | first case yes, second case (last year) one of the two students is still active and working on the tool still |
| 10:08.43 | David_Honeynet | other dropped out |
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| 10:09.44 | ojwb | interesting |
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| 11:14.32 | bobbens | proposal thingy needs version control :P |
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| 11:20.04 | ojwb | bobbens: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=515 |
| 11:20.14 | ojwb | probably my oldest melange ticket |
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| 11:20.55 | rostayob | ojwb: yeah but the haskell ones (I'm interested in haskell) seems particulary interesting.. they're definitely not for someone that wrote "some" code (: |
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| 11:23.48 | bobbens | ojwb: also accidently lost half my proposals because of the fancy css or whatever it is the form does |
| 11:23.52 | bobbens | firefox doesn't recover it properly :P |
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| 11:24.13 | bobbens | something wiki-ish would be nice :) |
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| 11:51.58 | shadowkick | Hi, how can I edit my gsoc student profile? I logged in to gsoc site(http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011) but I can't see any link to go to my profile or edit it |
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| 11:53.21 | Triskelios | what happens when you load http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2011 ? |
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| 11:54.01 | komal_ | Hi.. The status of my applicaiton has started saying 'pending' suddenly from a few minutes ago |
| 11:54.07 | komal_ | What's wrong? |
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| 11:55.00 | shadowkick | when i go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2011 , it says "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." |
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| 11:58.50 | Mayank | Hello, the deadline for student proposal is 1900 GMT / UTC or, 1200 - 1300 UTC?? |
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| 11:59.08 | Mayank | April 8, 2011 |
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| 12:00.21 | socinfo | imploder: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:00.36 | delta_coder | what is meant by status of an application |
| 12:00.43 | delta_coder | who sets it |
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| 12:01.23 | Mayank | imploder: on melange on Google calender it shows as Fri, 8 April, 12:00 â 13:00 |
| 12:01.37 | delta_coder | and its relevance |
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| 12:04.33 | gevaerts | Mayank: are you sure that doesn't adjust to your timezone or something like that? |
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| 12:07.16 | Mayank | gevaerts: No, according to my timezone (+5:30) it should be Sat, 9 April 1230. what does it show for you? |
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| 12:07.45 | gevaerts | Mayank: do you happen to have the URL to that calendar? |
| 12:08.23 | Mayank | gaverts: its same as the time line one -> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 |
| 12:08.43 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
| 12:08.57 | gevaerts | Mayank: "Events shown in time zone: Pacific Time" |
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| 12:09.39 | Mayank | gaverts: oops! yeah! I missed that! :/ |
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| 12:10.39 | delta_coder | !next |
| 12:10.40 | socinfo | delta_coder: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:10.41 | Triskelios | hm... is 2:1 for applications to slots a healthy ratio for new orgs? |
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| 12:11.23 | ojwb | Triskelios: how do you know how many slots you have? |
| 12:11.45 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: You have to say how many you want first, that's probably it. You can't control applications |
| 12:12.10 | Triskelios | right, we don't know, but that's how many we're requesting |
| 12:12.10 | ojwb | ah, you're asking what to set it to? |
| 12:12.29 | ojwb | I'd ask for the number of good applications you have mentors for... |
| 12:12.48 | ojwb | mentors manual suggests new orgs are unlikely to get more than 5 |
| 12:13.09 | |Kev| | I think if new orgs manage to get 5 good proposals, they're quite lucky. |
| 12:13.29 | |Kev| | I've got a bad feeling we won't have 5 really good ones this year. |
| 12:13.30 | ojwb | |Kev|: we've at least 10 so far |
| 12:13.48 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Same |
| 12:13.55 | |Kev| | ojwb: Oh, I hadn't realised you were a new org. |
| 12:14.00 | gevaerts | Don't speculate on what number would look good, just ask for however many good proposals you have with decent mentoring capacity |
| 12:14.02 | ojwb | well, I'm not new, Xapian is |
| 12:14.17 | |Kev| | ojwb: Right, thus my confusion :) |
| 12:14.37 | MatthewWilkes | the org we vouched for has more applications |
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| 12:15.01 | |Kev| | No-one asked us to vouch for them. I'm not sure that's a complement :) |
| 12:15.04 | ojwb | not sure how that counts with google, but we have mentors for 5 so... |
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| 12:15.42 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Well, cnx is built on top of Plone, we know them well |
| 12:18.14 | hiddenpearls | time! |
| 12:18.26 | aghisla | hammertime? |
| 12:18.34 | hiddenpearls | how much time is left till submission deadline |
| 12:19.14 | ojwb | just enough |
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| 12:19.42 | socinfo | imploder: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 12:20.26 | gautam | Is this the right channel to ask questions about gsoc.appspot.com? |
| 12:20.47 | ojwb | gautam: that's a test server I believe |
| 12:21.33 | ojwb | #melange might be better, but maybe you actually want: http://www.google-melange.com/ |
| 12:21.39 | gautam | ah |
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| 12:22.26 | gautam | okay will try google-melange.com |
| 12:22.43 | ojwb | wonders how many students will submit to the test server... |
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| 12:24.10 | Triskelios | "gsoc.appspot.com" is totally not an obvious test server name |
| 12:24.20 | gautam | yeah |
| 12:24.31 | gautam | and it half works |
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| 12:24.51 | gautam | my org admin for instance got an email that I hadapplied |
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| 12:25.01 | gautam | but the link in the email was broken |
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| 12:30.50 | St018 | Hello ppl i need more information about gsoc,Can some1 answer my questions in pm? |
| 12:31.20 | gevaerts | What's wrong with asking them here? |
| 12:31.28 | gevaerts | And what's hard about typing "someone"? |
| 12:32.04 | St018 | gevaerts: im not used to use this keyboard :) |
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| 12:35.48 | St018 | what is this means exactly? : Mentors and students provide mid-term progress evaluations. |
| 12:36.33 | ajedwards | progress evaluations instruct the second payment St018 |
| 12:36.48 | ajedwards | and if the student/mentor has gone awol... people need to know! |
| 12:36.54 | MatthewWilkes | St018: It means mentors and students fill in a form half way through to tell google how it's going and if the student should be kicked out or kept |
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| 12:37.24 | St018 | ok |
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| 12:38.27 | St018 | and what kind of projects are they |
| 12:38.52 | St018 | im only in 1st grade(you say freshman i assume) |
| 12:39.14 | MatthewWilkes | St018: I say neither, you mean the first year of university? |
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| 12:39.40 | St018 | MatthewWilkes: yes |
| 12:39.53 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: I on the other hand say "neither" :) |
| 12:40.04 | gevaerts | hm, these jokes don't work in writing... |
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| 12:40.18 | ajedwards | Depends if your first year actually had any programming modules really, doesn't it St018 |
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| 12:40.45 | ajedwards | some american colleges do general modules for the first 2 years, specialising in the third and fourth |
| 12:41.06 | St018 | ajedwards: i got 3 different lessons on programming languages |
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| 12:42.08 | ajedwards | if they're relevant to your project... or your skills in a certain area are sufficient.. go for it, don't take on more than you can handle though |
| 12:42.33 | sdimkov | so you can't submit a proposal from file ? |
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| 12:42.58 | sdimkov | you have to type it in that WYSIWYG box |
| 12:42.59 | sdimkov | ?? |
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| 12:43.47 | MatthewWilkes | sdimkov: Correct |
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| 12:44.34 | sdimkov | that's stupid :). Ability to upload PDF or ODT would be much better.. |
| 12:44.49 | vh4x0r | !next |
| 12:44.50 | socinfo | vh4x0r: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:44.53 | gevaerts | sdimkov: you're clearly not the one who has to read dozens of them :) |
| 12:45.01 | gevaerts | Uniformity is *good* |
| 12:45.04 | aghisla | heh i was about to say that :) |
| 12:45.27 | MatthewWilkes | sdimkov: The webapp is open source, feel free to add that feature |
| 12:45.51 | sdimkov | gevaerts: maybe, you have a point. But still forcing people to use that online editor won't lead to consistency but instead to badly formatted proposals. |
| 12:46.19 | gevaerts | sdimkov: no, because then we'll just complain and ask you to do it better :) |
| 12:46.21 | sdimkov | nevermind, thanks for the replays |
| 12:46.26 | gevaerts | being a mentor has its perks! |
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| 12:49.06 | St018 | where can i find projects to apply? |
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| 12:49.37 | sdimkov | thanks god I can at least get the html source |
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| 12:50.00 | sdimkov | I'll now be going back to reformating all but this time in html instead pdf :) Then come back and paste it |
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| 12:51.05 | St018 | ajedwards: where can i find projects to apply ? |
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| 12:52.50 | ajedwards | http://www.google-melange.com |
| 12:53.07 | ajedwards | look at the organisations, they all have their own project lists |
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| 13:22.43 | efes | I got error 500 when uploading proposal; what can be the reason? |
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| 13:24.35 | efes | three tries, three fails. |
| 13:25.10 | efes | hahha! Donnee! :D |
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| 13:25.12 | saksham | it's cuz of the butterfly effect. |
| 13:25.48 | saksham | you have to find that butterfly in china who's flapping caused the error |
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| 13:29.42 | efes | Uuuh.. my proposal has been uploaded twice. There's a mirror copy. How to delete one of it? |
| 13:30.33 | ajedwards | !fix |
| 13:30.34 | socinfo | ajedwards: "fix" is Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 13:30.39 | ajedwards | not me |
| 13:30.42 | ajedwards | SRabbelier |
| 13:30.45 | MatthewWilkes | no, that's wrong |
| 13:30.56 | MatthewWilkes | efes: Go to the one you want to get rid of and click withdraw |
| 13:31.02 | ajedwards | seems reasonable enough MatthewWilkes? |
| 13:31.11 | ajedwards | if the ID is the same but appearing twice? |
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| 13:31.29 | MatthewWilkes | efes: Duplicate proposal, nothing to do with ids |
| 13:31.35 | MatthewWilkes | oopps |
| 13:31.38 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: ^^^ |
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| 13:32.03 | ajedwards | I meant the proposal ID |
| 13:32.08 | efes | MatthewWilkes: ?/ |
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| 13:32.42 | ajedwards | efes, MatthewWilkes was correct, click one of your proposals and click update then click withdraw |
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| 13:33.02 | Gabor_Bernat | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 is down for me :-? just when I wanted to submit my proposal.... |
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| 13:33.36 | efes | MatthewWilkes, ajedwards: It's status has been changed to withdrawn, but it's still on the list. Does it make a problem? |
| 13:33.46 | MatthewWilkes | efes: Nope, you're the only one that sees it |
| 13:33.57 | efes | MatthewWilkes: Ah, thanks :) |
| 13:33.57 | MatthewWilkes | Gabor_Bernat: Not for me |
| 13:34.06 | Nightrose | efes: ahel had the same problem |
| 13:34.19 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: ^ |
| 13:34.22 | efes | Nightrose: :] |
| 13:34.41 | Nightrose | oh wait |
| 13:34.42 | Nightrose | nvm |
| 13:34.46 | Nightrose | i misread |
| 13:35.01 | Nightrose | ahel had the problem that the proposal showed up as withdrawn |
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| 13:35.19 | Nightrose | while it shouldn't have |
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| 13:37.04 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: tut, tut, tut |
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| 13:37.09 | MatthewWilkes | I don't want you as my external brain now! |
| 13:37.16 | Gabor_Bernat | any ideas how long it will be down ? |
| 13:37.28 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: pffft :P |
| 13:37.49 | MatthewWilkes | Gabor_Bernat: For as long as you have this problem? |
| 13:37.50 | aseem | Hi! I just submitted a GSoC application. I just wanted to know what does 'Status: pending' means ? |
| 13:37.56 | MatthewWilkes | Gabor_Bernat: As said, it works fine for me. |
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| 13:38.11 | ojwb | and for me |
| 13:38.12 | Nightrose | aseem: that it still needs to be either selected or rejected later |
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| 13:41.32 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Germany question for you. When something goes missing in the post office, does the Reclamation have a chance in hell? |
| 13:42.04 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: depends if it was sent as an Einschreiben or not i believe |
| 13:42.16 | Nightrose | i'd try it |
| 13:42.21 | MatthewWilkes | Nope, normal letter, I already have |
| 13:42.24 | Nightrose | depending on how much it was worth |
| 13:42.45 | MatthewWilkes | I got the yellow zustellversuch thingy, but it never showed up at the local office |
| 13:42.58 | Nightrose | ohhh then i'd definitely try it |
| 13:43.17 | MatthewWilkes | about 500 EUR â guy who sent it didn't put insurance on, grr |
| 13:43.25 | Nightrose | Oo |
| 13:43.32 | MatthewWilkes | my android phone |
| 13:43.36 | Nightrose | that sucks |
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| 13:44.07 | Nightrose | speaking of post... |
| 13:44.21 | Nightrose | wonders if it's ok now to ask carol about missing gci tshirts |
| 13:44.26 | Nightrose | i still didn't get mine :( |
| 13:44.45 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Probably, I got mine weeks ago |
| 13:44.58 | Nightrose | yeah |
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| 13:46.02 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Or, you know, wait for the mentor summit (or maybe GCI awards ceremony) and get it then |
| 13:46.25 | Nightrose | heh - i'd love to but i might not be able to go to the summit this time |
| 13:46.28 | Nightrose | will have to see |
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| 13:46.44 | MatthewWilkes | WHAT? |
| 13:46.50 | dberkholz | i never got my gsoc shirt last year |
| 13:46.52 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Explain thyself |
| 13:47.00 | dberkholz | hopefully i can grab it this fall |
| 13:47.22 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: i'll finish university in august and not sure yet where i'll end up |
| 13:47.22 | dberkholz | Nightrose: but how will we plan next year's blog posts?! |
| 13:47.35 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: hopefully in mountain view though ;-) |
| 13:47.45 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: ORLY? |
| 13:47.48 | Nightrose | dberkholz: :P |
| 13:47.58 | dberkholz | Nightrose: on an unrelated note, any clue how kde's applications compare to last year? we've got quite a few less |
| 13:48.04 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: well... RLLY hopefully |
| 13:48.05 | aseem | Nightrose: Okay, but how come other students are able to submit without getting the 'Status : pending' thing ? |
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| 13:48.51 | Nightrose | dberkholz: we have 108 now - so a bit less than 50% of last year's at the end |
| 13:48.54 | dberkholz | the ones we have gotten are really bipolar, though. either total garbage or really awesome |
| 13:48.57 | Nightrose | aseem: no idea |
| 13:49.00 | ojwb | my understanding is that all proposals should be "pending" currently, unless they've been withdrawn |
| 13:49.01 | dberkholz | very few in the middle |
| 13:49.09 | Nightrose | yeah same here afaict |
| 13:49.10 | dberkholz | Nightrose: that's about what we're seeing too. wonder what happened |
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| 13:49.30 | Nightrose | too much choice? |
| 13:49.34 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Fingers crossed for you |
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| 13:49.35 | Nightrose | less local events? |
| 13:49.39 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: thanks :) |
| 13:49.42 | MatthewWilkes | FEWER |
| 13:49.42 | dberkholz | maybe we should check the bounce rate from the webapp |
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| 13:49.49 | dberkholz | see if the redesign scared anyone |
| 13:49.50 | Nightrose | pokes MatthewWilkes |
| 13:50.00 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: You have to learn |
| 13:50.05 | Nightrose | :* |
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| 13:50.17 | SukhE | ojwb: Are you sure? I have been able to submit mine without any of the pending thing. |
| 13:50.25 | MatthewWilkes | weil meine deutsch seid perfect. |
| 13:50.33 | Nightrose | very ;-) |
| 13:50.39 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
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| 13:51.01 | ojwb | SukhE: well, all the proposals in my list (as org admin) say pending... |
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| 13:51.18 | ojwb | (or withdrawn) |
| 13:51.21 | Nightrose | dberkholz: so yeah - not really sure but i'll wait until the end of application period because i am seeing an increase in applications now as opposed to a few days ago |
| 13:51.23 | dberkholz | every one of gentoo's says pending too |
| 13:51.32 | Nightrose | so i am expecting a lot of last minute applications again |
| 13:51.51 | dberkholz | if everyone applied who talked to us, we might double it. but i don't really expect that to happen |
| 13:52.10 | ojwb | we had a lot early on, then it's been quiet, but it's starting to pick up again |
| 13:52.42 | SukhE | ojwb: That's correct, I never noticed it! |
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| 13:52.47 | SukhE | aseem: It should be fine then. |
| 13:53.29 | dberkholz | one nice thing about this year is that we're getting a lot more diversity of ideas |
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| 13:53.58 | aseem | SukhE ojwb : Thanks :) |
| 13:54.02 | Nightrose | yeah seems to be similar for us |
| 13:54.07 | dberkholz | something like 75% of our proposals are for unique ideas |
| 13:54.16 | Nightrose | but in the end i fear our ideas page had too many ideas |
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| 13:54.35 | Nightrose | it was hard to chose from |
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| 13:54.48 | dberkholz | heh, yeah. maybe google's criteria and student's usability don't match up |
| 13:54.58 | Nightrose | yeah - we had 100 and some |
| 13:55.03 | Nightrose | which is awesome |
| 13:55.10 | Nightrose | but maybe too much choice |
| 13:55.12 | Nightrose | same with orgs |
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| 13:56.33 | dberkholz | yeah, you've got so many it might merit a tree of webpages instead of just one |
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| 13:56.49 | dberkholz | pick an app, then pick an idea for that app |
| 13:57.10 | ojwb | i think better tools to allow students to find orgs that might interest them would help |
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| 13:57.23 | dberkholz | but if numbers are really down globally, it's probably not something on the org level |
| 13:57.47 | ojwb | dberkholz: do you know if they are? |
| 13:57.54 | dberkholz | nope, just anecdotal |
| 13:58.01 | dberkholz | i emailed sverre about numbers a few days ago |
| 13:58.03 | barq | How many applications do you get on average per project? |
| 13:58.21 | ishan | I intend to apply for google open source program office. I wanted to know that does the mentor has to still register seperately or not? |
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| 13:58.46 | dberkholz | barq: per idea, or per organization? |
| 13:58.59 | dberkholz | fwiw, both of those numbers vary quite a bit |
| 13:59.00 | barq | per idea |
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| 13:59.15 | ojwb | somewhere between none and far too many |
| 13:59.22 | dberkholz | on average it was about 5 last year, but the spread is wide |
| 14:00.05 | barq | So if I get accepted to more than one, who makes the decision? |
| 14:00.08 | ishan | plz help? |
| 14:00.18 | ojwb | ishan: I doubt anyone here knows |
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| 14:01.28 | ojwb | ishan: I'd just say you have a mentor and who it is in the application |
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| 14:01.42 | dberkholz | ishan: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org is the best info i've seen for that |
| 14:01.42 | ojwb | they can comment if they want you to get them to sign up |
| 14:01.58 | dberkholz | !ospo |
| 14:02.11 | dberkholz | socinfo: learn ospo as http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org |
| 14:02.11 | socinfo | dberkholz: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:02.14 | ojwb | ishan: it's not an easy option though - they take about 2-4 students a year |
| 14:02.20 | dberkholz | !ospo |
| 14:02.21 | socinfo | dberkholz: "ospo" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org |
| 14:02.36 | ishan | ojwb: i know but that the option i have in mind right now |
| 14:03.02 | ojwb | ishan: ok - it just seems the purpose is often misunderstood |
| 14:03.17 | ishan | ojwb: also if you check the proposal which is needed to be submitted there nothing has been asked abt the student who is applying |
| 14:03.18 | ojwb | so i was making sure you knew |
| 14:03.32 | ishan | is something missing(ques 3) |
| 14:03.50 | ojwb | i have no way of knowing what they meant to ask... |
| 14:03.57 | ojwb | you can volunteer information of course |
| 14:04.26 | ishan | when can i find carol or any other administrator? |
| 14:04.46 | ojwb | she's often on here california working hours |
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| 14:05.00 | dberkholz | she'll probably show up in about 2 hours |
| 14:05.33 | ishan | dberkholz: ojwb thanks |
| 14:06.36 | Talad | about the student deadline of tomorrow, it says 12pm-1pm |
| 14:06.42 | Talad | which is the timezone for that time? |
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| 14:07.34 | AlexP | 19:00 GMT |
| 14:07.48 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: That is in the FAQ. |
| 14:08.12 | gevaerts | AlexP: 19:00 UTC :) |
| 14:08.20 | AlexP | meh :) |
| 14:08.36 | Talad | cannot find it anywhere in the FAQ |
| 14:08.51 | gevaerts | !timeline |
| 14:08.51 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#timeline |
| 14:08.52 | socinfo | gevaerts: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 14:09.06 | MatthewWilkes | It's the one marked "Student application deadline" |
| 14:09.36 | Talad | ok seen it |
| 14:09.38 | Talad | thanks |
| 14:09.39 | gevaerts | Talad: (a) the timeline is there in actual detailed text, and (b) the calendar view says "Events shown in time zone: Pacific Time" |
| 14:11.19 | Talad | PST is UTC-08 |
| 14:11.19 | MatthewWilkes | in fact |
| 14:11.24 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 14:11.25 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:11.59 | akashm1990 | !deadline |
| 14:12.00 | socinfo | akashm1990: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 14:12.31 | Talad | ah, that's nice |
| 14:12.42 | gevaerts | Nearly all gsoc deadlines are 19:00 UTC |
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| 14:20.32 | andreas__ | hey guys |
| 14:20.56 | MatthewWilkes | hi andreas__ |
| 14:21.01 | efes | hi andreas__ |
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| 14:22.45 | andreas__ | i just thought about participating in the gsoc, but have a small problem, maybe you can help me: I'm in the US until the end of may, but are not allowed to work here. after that, I return to germany, where I can work legally. can i participate anyway? b/c it said on the homepage that i would need to be allowed to work wherever i am... |
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| 14:26.22 | dberkholz | andreas__: coding doesn't start until may 23, so that's not necessarily an impossible problem. when exactly do you return? |
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| 14:28.45 | ffsfaa | #drupal |
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| 14:30.26 | kukot | I've just submitted a proposal |
| 14:30.35 | kukot | and it has status pending |
| 14:30.51 | kukot | so a mentor will revise it and set to Accepted/Denied ? |
| 14:30.52 | kukot | or.. ? |
| 14:31.08 | andreas__ | dberkholz: i would probably return around may 28, +- 5 days |
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| 14:31.16 | shadeslayer | wasn't it 25th? |
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| 14:32.00 | dberkholz | andreas__: i'd just say in your proposal that you can't begin coding until week 2 of the coding period, and you can work a few extra hours each week to make up for it if needed |
| 14:32.09 | ListenUp | hey all, can we stilll use the old gsoc site interface? I am a bit lost in the new one :-/ |
| 14:32.18 | dberkholz | nope. |
| 14:32.32 | ListenUp | oh ok |
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| 14:32.56 | dberkholz | tell us your problem and we may be able to help.. |
| 14:33.14 | ListenUp | dberkholz: I was a gsoc student last year also ... however my details are not pre-filled in the registration form :-/ |
| 14:33.26 | dberkholz | so fill them out again? |
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| 14:34.28 | andreas__ | dberkholz: thanks, if I apply I will do that :-) |
| 14:34.48 | kukot | will I get an email if my proposal changes it's status |
| 14:34.52 | kukot | it's currently "pending" |
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| 14:35.22 | disismt | hi .... I got disconnected :( |
| 14:35.37 | disismt | what did I miss? |
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| 14:36.48 | ListenUp | hi dberkholz |
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| 14:37.05 | dberkholz | hi |
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| 14:39.23 | ListenUp | so ... I was a gsoc student in 2009 and in 2010, when I applied again, I didn't have to fill up every detail in the registration form. However, now the forms are not prefilled. That's my problem. What to do? |
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| 14:40.02 | dberkholz | ListenUp: i'm not sure i understand why this is blocking you from moving forward. can't you fill them out again? |
| 14:40.24 | ListenUp | it's not blocking me ... just annoying me |
| 14:40.30 | ajedwards | hmm, memory loss? |
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| 14:41.38 | kukot | ajedwards: My proposal is with status "pending". Will it change status when mentors revise it ? Or it will change status to "accepted" for example only if I get chosen for the specific project ? |
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| 14:42.06 | SukhE | kukot: That is normal. All proposals are 'pending' right now. |
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| 14:42.26 | kukot | is there anything I should do once submitted my proposal ? |
| 14:43.05 | ajedwards | wait for comments from your org. and keep thinking of improvements - you can improve on your proposal until 7pm UTC tomorrow |
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| 14:43.28 | kukot | I see. |
| 14:43.40 | kukot | when will it be clear if I've been selected for a given project ? |
| 14:44.02 | kukot | april 22th ?? or earlier ? |
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| 14:44.56 | SukhE | April 25th 19:00 UTC |
| 14:45.15 | ajedwards | that depends on the organisation, kukot, but yes April 25th you should know |
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| 14:45.28 | kukot | I see |
| 14:45.32 | kukot | I hate long waits |
| 14:46.08 | ankush | !next |
| 14:46.10 | socinfo | ankush: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:59.04 | weed-tea | what's meant by Expected graduation year* ? |
| 15:00.15 | |Kev| | The year you expect to graduate. |
| 15:00.47 | ajedwards | don't answer with "depends when the alcohol stops frying my brain and I pass a module" I can't see that going down well |
| 15:01.18 | weed-tea | so this year, or the last year? |
| 15:01.27 | |Kev| | Do you expect to graduate this year? |
| 15:01.35 | ajedwards | the year in which you will finish your course and graduate |
| 15:01.44 | weed-tea | myea it's 3 years |
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| 15:02.02 | weed-tea | 3 thus :D |
| 15:02.10 | ajedwards | then work out the year you'll be receiving your degree and enter it |
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| 15:02.44 | weed-tea | ok thanks |
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| 15:22.15 | geoaxis | wtf, another quake |
| 15:22.44 | ajedwards | I know... |
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| 15:26.14 | xyzzy | I asked here a week or so ago and was pointed to a flowchart, but myself and the project I have applied to are still not entirely sure whether I am eligible for GSoC. I am 18, in my final year of secondary school in the UK studying A Levels. I have a conditional offer of a place on a university course starting September. can anyone confirm for me whether this makes me eligible? |
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| 15:26.54 | geoaxis | yup |
| 15:26.57 | scgtrp | xyzzy: have you tried logarithms? |
| 15:26.57 | geoaxis | you are eligible |
| 15:26.57 | ajedwards | you have to be registered on a degree course as of april |
| 15:26.58 | |Kev| | xyzzy: It wasn't clear to me if a conditional offer was sufficient. Carol will probably appear here in an hur or so. |
| 15:27.15 | ajedwards | |Kev|, not enrolled yet though? |
| 15:27.24 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 15:27.25 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 15:27.27 | geoaxis | you have to show that you will be starting |
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| 15:27.44 | geoaxis | atleast that was in my time |
| 15:27.49 | |Kev| | ajedwards: That chart says 'or accepted' |
| 15:28.09 | xyzzy | as it's conditional, I do not definitely have the place, I'm required to get certain grades on my A Levels |
| 15:28.09 | ajedwards | it looks to me that it fails for him on the second option |
| 15:28.26 | |Kev| | xyzzy: I would wait for Carol, as the only person likely to give a definitive answer, rather than listening to people guess :) |
| 15:28.33 | xyzzy | ok, thanks :) |
| 15:28.34 | geoaxis | xyzzy: oh thats different |
| 15:28.48 | geoaxis | but i think you should be good to go |
| 15:29.03 | geoaxis | personally i dont like this stupid restriction |
| 15:29.10 | geoaxis | high school students should be encouraged |
| 15:29.17 | |Kev| | I imagine it's ok, but Carol is your friend. |
| 15:29.25 | xyzzy | what's Carol's nickname? |
| 15:29.29 | |Kev| | carols |
| 15:29.38 | gevaerts | geoaxis: it doesn't really matter what anyone outside google *thinks*... |
| 15:29.39 | ajedwards | geoaxis, they have another program for high school students I believe |
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| 15:30.11 | Talad | !meaningoflife |
| 15:30.13 | geoaxis | gevaerts: yes i know, i am not trying to over-emphasisze the importance of my opnion |
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| 15:30.25 | ajedwards | The confusion is probably going to come because "college" in the UK is comparable to senior high school in the US... |
| 15:30.30 | Talad | ah, I knew it is was not defined.... |
| 15:30.34 | geoaxis | just expressiong it..that it sucks to not have more energetic participants |
| 15:30.35 | gevaerts | Talad: socinfo isn't exactly alive :) |
| 15:31.02 | geoaxis | ajedwards: oh yeah same for my native country Pakistan |
| 15:31.17 | geoaxis | and I guess for India, College is for Highschool |
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| 15:31.43 | geoaxis | i mean College is grade 11-12 |
| 15:31.49 | ajedwards | in the UK if you're accepted to start in September/October you don't actually enrol until you attend and receive a student card |
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| 15:32.14 | geoaxis | ajedwards: thats normal in other countries as well i believe |
| 15:32.24 | geoaxis | but you do get some sort of acceptance |
| 15:32.28 | ajedwards | do you have a red ucas letter xyzzy? |
| 15:32.34 | geoaxis | April is a bit eatly |
| 15:32.43 | geoaxis | early* |
| 15:33.08 | ajedwards | geoaxis, a red UCAS letter is sent out if you're unconditionally offered a place.. it sounds like xyzzy's place is only based on results he wont know until August (3rd week) |
| 15:33.47 | xyzzy | ajedwards: I have a UCAS letter confirming which offers I have chosen as my firm and insurance offers |
| 15:33.51 | geoaxis | ajedwards: that makes things a bit different then, it means that he wont be a college student for sure until GSoC ends |
| 15:33.57 | ajedwards | geoaxis, he wont be |
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| 15:34.26 | ajedwards | xyzzy, you are not a student on a valid course then, I'm sure if you explain the situation clearly that you're a sixth former, you'll find that's the case |
| 15:34.47 | |Kev| | ajedwards: You're guessing :) |
| 15:34.57 | ajedwards | |Kev|, I'm following your flowchart :) |
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| 15:35.24 | xyzzy | damn. I guess I'll have to wait until next year then ;) |
| 15:35.24 | ajedwards | I'm doing my second degree here, I know the enrollment system |
| 15:35.31 | xyzzy | still, I'll wait for Carol just to make sure |
| 15:35.36 | |Kev| | ajedwards: You're guessing what 'accepted' means. |
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| 15:35.47 | gevaerts | ajedwards: you know *your* case |
| 15:35.53 | gevaerts | This is an edge case |
| 15:35.53 | |Kev| | I don't know, which is why I'm suggesting asking carols. |
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| 15:36.06 | ajedwards | |Kev|, I am not, I have done the process before myself and I know that he has a conditional offer - they wont take him if he doesn't get the results he's predicted in August. |
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| 15:36.40 | ajedwards | gevaerts, you'll find I'm correct :) |
| 15:36.59 | gevaerts | ajedwards: and what would that prove? |
| 15:37.24 | gevaerts | A coin flip has 50% chance of being correct here |
| 15:37.34 | ajedwards | only that your input was unnecessary, gevaerts |
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| 15:37.53 | scgtrp | gevaerts: unless it lands on its edge! |
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| 15:38.07 | gevaerts | scgtrp: I'll jump up and down a bit then :) |
| 15:38.20 | scgtrp | applies superglue to the edge of the coin |
| 15:38.56 | ajedwards | The third thursday of August 2011, xyzzy will know (based on what he's told us) whether he is going to be a student, starting in September/October 2011. Gsoc will be drawing to a close at that point. |
| 15:38.56 | gevaerts | watches scgtrp trying to toss the coin now :) |
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| 15:39.12 | ajedwards | anyway i'm done |
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| 15:42.55 | kps_foo | deadline |
| 15:43.24 | ajedwards | ? |
| 15:43.26 | kps_foo | sorry, mistyped :) |
| 15:43.32 | ajedwards | !next ? |
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| 15:45.39 | scgtrp | notes that a coin has been stuck to him for several minutes |
| 15:45.52 | ajedwards | could be worse |
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| 16:01.22 | RoadRunner_88 | Hi |
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| 16:10.52 | selenamarie | hzroot: hey :) |
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| 16:11.06 | hzroot | selenamarie: hi :) |
| 16:11.26 | hzroot | is there a list of approved projects? |
| 16:11.44 | selenamarie | hzroot: not yet. i was just looking up the timeline |
| 16:11.51 | selenamarie | because i forget how to use the bot |
| 16:12.24 | selenamarie | hzroot: the acceptance date is April 25 |
| 16:12.31 | selenamarie | so no announcements will be made until then |
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| 16:12.51 | hzroot | ok i understand. thank you again then |
| 16:13.09 | selenamarie | hzroot: no problem and good luck. :) |
| 16:13.27 | hzroot | thank you. |
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| 16:14.14 | dberkholz | !timeline |
| 16:14.15 | socinfo | dberkholz: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 16:18.47 | redheadphones | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 |
| 16:18.59 | redheadphones | looks down from there |
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| 16:19.56 | redheadphones | in3xes_, i haven't really applied elsewhere |
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| 16:45.02 | g4ur4v | can we submit proposal on 8 april ? |
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| 16:46.02 | gevaerts | !next |
| 16:46.03 | raincole | deadline is April 8, 19:00 UTC |
| 16:46.03 | socinfo | gevaerts: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 17:08.24 | logiclord | Can i make changes/updates to my proposal after 8th April? |
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| 17:09.45 | LetterRip | i feel almost guilty when i give feedback to a proposal requesting more detail, when it is clear that the student isn't interested enough that he will end up with an acceptable quality proposal |
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| 17:10.39 | RoadRunner_88 | Do you think it is still possible to start applying now ? |
| 17:10.40 | LetterRip | so he will put in perhaps the bare effort to fill in my requested greater detail, but is unlikely to rise to a good proposal |
| 17:10.49 | agliodbs | what was the conclusion of the discussion about having the average score for proposals on the dashboard? |
| 17:10.52 | jeet_ | hello to all |
| 17:10.52 | jeet_ | I have a question |
| 17:11.00 | LetterRip | RoadRunner_88: who was that directed at? |
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| 17:11.10 | LetterRip | you should have your application ASAP |
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| 17:11.25 | LetterRip | if you are a student |
| 17:11.27 | RoadRunner_88 | LetterRip to all |
| 17:11.31 | LetterRip | deadline is tomorrow |
| 17:11.42 | LetterRip | most students have their proposals i already |
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| 17:11.46 | LetterRip | in |
| 17:12.14 | RoadRunner_88 | application ASAP ? |
| 17:12.21 | blast007 | as soon as possible |
| 17:12.29 | RoadRunner_88 | ok |
| 17:12.30 | jeet_ | can we apply for two projects of same organisation |
| 17:12.50 | blast007 | jeet_: that's likely covered in the FAQ |
| 17:12.54 | LetterRip | jeet_: yes |
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| 17:13.06 | LetterRip | we have two applications from two or three students this year |
| 17:13.08 | xyzzy | carols: hi, I've been told to ask you whether I'm eligible to participate - most people think I am not, but told me to ask you to make sure. I'm 18, in my final year of school in the UK, doing A Levels, and I have a conditional offer (dependant on A Level grades) of a university place starting September |
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| 17:13.42 | carols | xyzzy: will they attest in a formal letter that you are accepted to their school? |
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| 17:13.55 | ishwadeep | hi! what does "Status: Pending" mean on the proposal page? |
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| 17:14.29 | |Kev| | ishwadeep: Standard status for an application, don't worry about it. |
| 17:14.30 | swapex | can any one tell what happens about mentor if a student proposed idea is accepted |
| 17:14.37 | xyzzy | carols: the school I am at at the moment, or the university? |
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| 17:14.54 | |Kev| | swapex: The org will assign a mentor to all selected projects. |
| 17:14.58 | carols | xyzzy: the university |
| 17:15.01 | jeet_ | that can be done putting a slash in between the project's name |
| 17:15.05 | jeet_ | thanks |
| 17:15.16 | swapex | |Kev|: thank you |
| 17:15.21 | agliodbs | carols: what's Google's perspective on multiple-returning students |
| 17:15.22 | agliodbs | ? |
| 17:15.28 | agliodbs | good thing or bad thing? |
| 17:15.40 | agliodbs | we have a student where this will be their 3rd SoC if accepted |
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| 17:15.41 | carols | agliodbs: i don't have a perspective. accept good students, get good code is my perspective :-) |
| 17:15.47 | ishwadeep | |Kev| are the mentors of the organisation I applied to obliged to comment on my proposal so that I could probably better it before the closure? |
| 17:16.09 | agliodbs | I'm not sure that we shouldn't reject him and give a new student a chance, even if his work is good |
| 17:16.10 | |Kev| | carols: FWIW, the standard UK acceptance system is that acceptance is conditional. It sometimes happen that they're unconditional, but more usually they just make it conditional on grades equivalent to having a pulse. |
| 17:16.12 | Triskelios | do comments on applications generate email notifications to students? |
| 17:16.19 | |Kev| | ishwadeep: No. |
| 17:16.27 | xyzzy | carols: the university won't accept me until I receive my A Level results in August, assuming I achieve the required grades |
| 17:16.28 | carols | |Kev|: understood. |
| 17:16.33 | agliodbs | Triskelios: if you don't mark them private, yes |
| 17:16.42 | ishwadeep | |Kev|: hmmm.... thanks a lot! :) |
| 17:16.42 | Triskelios | agliodbs: excellent, thanks! |
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| 17:17.00 | agliodbs | Triskelios: note that notifications were broken until a couple days ago |
| 17:17.10 | Triskelios | agliodbs: this makes it much easier than contacting students individually |
| 17:17.19 | Triskelios | yeah, I wasn't aware they existed until yesterday |
| 17:17.21 | agliodbs | yes, I like it |
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| 17:22.45 | swapex | what is IM network on registration page(i use freenode)? |
| 17:23.24 | David_Honeynet | irc://irc.freenode.net |
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| 17:23.56 | agliodbs | carols: will students be able to revise existing proposals after tommorrow? |
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| 17:24.17 | carols | agliodbs: only if the mentor chooses to enable that function because of something they want changed |
| 17:24.24 | carols | agliodbs: the default answer is "no" |
| 17:24.53 | agliodbs | yeah, I was thinking of mentor-requested changes |
| 17:25.15 | agliodbs | we've asked some students to revise their proposals and I'm concerned that they won't get it done by tommorrow night |
| 17:25.20 | carols | agliodbs: yeah, we have the functionality in melange for mentors to enable that now |
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| 17:26.46 | xyzzy | carols: so, am I eligible or not? |
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| 17:27.04 | carols | xyzzy: did you answer my question? will the university attest formally that you've been accepted? |
| 17:27.07 | LetterRip | xyzzy - pretty sure you answered your own question |
| 17:27.10 | Nightrose | carols: will you send an email when all gci shirts have been sent out? (i didn't receive mine yet) |
| 17:27.19 | xyzzy | 18:16 < xyzzy> carols: the university won't accept me until I receive my A Level results in August, assuming I achieve the required grades |
| 17:27.21 | carols | Nightrose: send me an email and ill check about it |
| 17:27.22 | LetterRip | alas you don't want to see the answer though :) |
| 17:27.28 | Nightrose | carols: ok - thx - will do |
| 17:27.31 | carols | xyzzy: then no, you're not eligible |
| 17:27.46 | xyzzy | ok, thanks. guess I'll have to wait to next year :) |
| 17:28.14 | dipankar | @carols: we want to apply as a team, as the project is a bit large in quantity. Is there any provision? |
| 17:28.37 | agliodbs | dipankar: a team of *students*? |
| 17:28.39 | carols | dipankar: no this is explicitly forbidden. |
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| 17:29.18 | dipankar | @ agliodbs: yes |
| 17:29.33 | LetterRip | xyzzy if you aren't involved in the project already, i'd recommend starting to do small things on it occassionaly, so next year it will likely help your odds as well |
| 17:29.57 | jceel | does potential mentors get notified in any way then I update my student proposal? |
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| 17:30.04 | jceel | to have a chance to see updated content |
| 17:30.27 | carols | jceel: yes, if they opted into notifications. |
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| 17:30.32 | xyzzy | LetterRip: ok :) |
| 17:30.33 | David_Honeynet | jceel: yes, by email |
| 17:30.51 | jceel | thanks |
| 17:31.08 | dipankar | @carols: we have been working as a team from the start, and each member is specialized in his field. In order to get the project done, we need all the members |
| 17:31.26 | gevaerts | dipankar: that's precisely the reason why it's not allowed |
| 17:31.29 | carols | dipankar: you're not allowed to do this as a gsoc project. |
| 17:31.32 | gevaerts | What if someone drops out? |
| 17:31.46 | vjsamuel | carols, hi! almost a year. how are you? :) |
| 17:31.47 | dipankar | gevaerts: nobody will drop out for sure |
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| 17:31.59 | carols | dipankar: so stop now or we'll have to not accept you into the program or alternatively withdraw you from it. and i dont want to do that. dont make me do that. |
| 17:33.24 | dipankar | carols: ok. I apologize for my previous statement. last question, can a mentor be involved in multiple projects? |
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| 17:33.35 | carols | dipankar: yes and they often are. |
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| 17:34.06 | dipankar | carols, thanks very much me clearing things out |
| 17:34.13 | dipankar | *me -> for |
| 17:34.25 | vjsamuel | carols, it is allowed to apply to the same organisation as last time right? i mean as a student. |
| 17:34.41 | carols | vjsamuel: i don't understand the question. apply as last time? |
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| 17:35.19 | jceel | vjsamuel, you mean, apply to the same organisation as in previous year? |
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| 17:35.39 | vjsamuel | carols, im allowed to apply to the same community in which i worked on during last year's summer of code right? |
| 17:35.56 | carols | vjsamuel: yes, of course. why wouldn't you be? |
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| 17:36.25 | vjsamuel | carols, i just had a last minute doubt. :) |
| 17:36.27 | carols | ok |
| 17:36.35 | vjsamuel | carols, im applying to the same community this time too |
| 17:36.40 | carols | great |
| 17:37.00 | Talad | vjsamuel: we have a similar situation |
| 17:37.15 | Talad | one of our ex core developers applied as a student |
| 17:37.33 | Talad | obviously he has some advantages compared to other students in terms of knowledge |
| 17:37.45 | Talad | because he was a core dev |
| 17:37.57 | Talad | but we will evaluate him without any special treatment |
| 17:38.07 | Talad | just like other students, considering his knowledge and skills |
| 17:38.18 | agliodbs | Talad: see discussion "boomerang students" on mentors list |
| 17:38.18 | algs | which organisation? |
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| 17:38.35 | Talad | algs: Atomic Blue |
| 17:38.46 | anth | i think it's even moreso for existing long-term contributors than for returning students, though. |
| 17:38.51 | Talad | if the evaluation is done trasparently there is no problem |
| 17:38.56 | vjsamuel | Taggnostr, awesome. |
| 17:39.06 | Talad | agliodbs: yes, it's related I think |
| 17:39.21 | Talad | but that case was just a student, not a core developer |
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| 17:39.28 | Talad | which may be similar, but not the same |
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| 17:39.41 | Talad | even worst case will be an admin :) |
| 17:39.52 | Talad | like if I quit from this organization, and I apply for it next year |
| 17:39.57 | Talad | but I think will still be valid. |
| 17:40.06 | anth | Talad: that might be me next year. |
| 17:40.20 | Talad | I would not consider it a problem anyway |
| 17:40.22 | agliodbs | Talad: were it me, I don't think I would accept |
| 17:40.26 | Talad | google has to trust admin and mentors a LOT |
| 17:40.30 | Talad | so that's just another piece |
| 17:40.38 | Talad | and every org should do is best to be professional |
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| 17:40.56 | agliodbs | Talad: I feel it's the purpose of GSOC to cultivate new contributors |
| 17:40.58 | anth | i'd consider it (and would advise anyone considering my hypothetical application next year) to consider it a detriment. not a disqualifier, but a detriment. |
| 17:41.01 | Talad | agliodbs: you will not accept the returning student? |
| 17:41.05 | agliodbs | not to provide an income for old ones |
| 17:41.13 | agliodbs | Talad: your returning core developer |
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| 17:41.14 | anth | GSoC is first and foremost about encouraging new open source contributors. |
| 17:41.16 | Talad | I see your pov |
| 17:41.36 | anth | for someone like me, the community know (or ought to know) that even if i don't get accepted, i'm not going away. |
| 17:41.37 | agliodbs | Talad: the returning student is currently being debated among our mentors |
| 17:41.37 | Talad | but the result will be losing one open source developer |
| 17:42.01 | Talad | so taking him or another to me makes no big difference |
| 17:42.01 | anth | for students it's different. things are more in flux. |
| 17:42.03 | agliodbs | Talad: if he's not going to contribute without being paid by google, he's going away anyway |
| 17:42.17 | Talad | otherwise you should discard the students which say they already worked on another OS project in the past |
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| 17:42.34 | Talad | because you want new ones only... |
| 17:42.40 | Talad | seems not the best idea |
| 17:42.54 | agliodbs | Talad: no straw man arguments please |
| 17:43.34 | agliodbs | Talad: anyway, it's your project, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm telling you what *I* would do |
| 17:43.34 | Talad | that's a real argument |
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| 17:44.16 | Talad | if you want to foster new OS developers, you should not pick people with previous OS experience, or people who want to work on OS anyway |
| 17:44.30 | Talad | but I think it's not a strong point, because you will filter too much |
| 17:44.39 | Talad | and reduce chances of success |
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| 17:44.59 | agliodbs | Talad: it's a matter of degree. there's a LOT of difference between a college student who's been contributing for a year |
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| 17:45.03 | agliodbs | and a former core developer |
| 17:45.28 | agliodbs | unless your project is young enough that people can become a core developer in a year, of course |
| 17:45.30 | Talad | I know, but the contributions he does to OS are the same |
| 17:45.36 | agliodbs | for us it takes at least 5 years |
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| 17:46.05 | Talad | we are working since 10 years |
| 17:46.18 | Talad | I consider it core as one that joined and contributed a lot |
| 17:46.22 | Talad | not a founder or such |
| 17:46.44 | Talad | in my opinion if the evaluation is done properly, he is still elegible |
| 17:46.54 | Talad | I would have issues in explaining the why not. |
| 17:47.36 | agliodbs | Talad: it sounds like you've already made up your mind. you asked here for opinions, I gave mine. You're the admin/mentor of your project. |
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| 17:48.36 | Talad | agliodbs: I was answering to vjsamuel |
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| 17:48.38 | dipankar | help |
| 17:48.43 | dipankar | sorry for that |
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| 17:48.51 | Talad | surely I already decided what to do with our ex dev |
| 17:49.09 | Talad | but thanks for the discussion |
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| 17:53.10 | anth | has anyone here done an infosession or similar at a school, this year or in the past? |
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| 17:53.47 | Sanshaptak | yeah me(this year)! |
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| 17:54.43 | anth | i tried to do one at a local school this year, but it took forever to put together (slow response from administrative people). i'm wondering how much lead time you (or others) gave. how long between saying "i'd like to do this" and getting a date? |
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| 17:59.03 | sfb | Hey, I like that you can choose the org from a drop down on the proposal list. |
| 17:59.06 | sfb | That's nice. |
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| 18:14.56 | rryan2 | hi all, is melange overloaded ? |
| 18:15.11 | rryan2 | it's not showing any proposals on my dashboard |
| 18:15.18 | ajedwards | looks fine to me |
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| 18:26.21 | SITZ | !next |
| 18:26.22 | socinfo | SITZ: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 18:30.32 | anth | one's missing for us. |
| 18:30.53 | anth | (trying to get in touch with the student to make sure he didn't do anything, but i doubt it) |
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| 18:32.04 | barq | !timeline |
| 18:32.06 | socinfo | barq: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:32.13 | anth | i can still get to it directly from the link |
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| 18:39.30 | ahel | how much time left? |
| 18:39.38 | imploder | !next |
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| 18:39.39 | socinfo | imploder: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:39.53 | gevaerts | 24 hours, twenty minutes, and 7 seconds |
| 18:40.03 | ahel | cool ty |
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| 18:40.16 | ahel | :) |
| 18:40.24 | redheadphones | i like that 19:00 UTC is noon for me |
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| 18:41.29 | milki | utc = gmt? |
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| 18:41.52 | anth | plus or minus a few seconds, yes. |
| 18:42.11 | akashm1990 | gevaerts, !deadline for the exact time |
| 18:42.15 | milki | was wondering why google was giving me gmt when i asked for utc |
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| 18:42.33 | gevaerts | akashm1990: you doubt my local clock? :) |
| 18:42.44 | imploder | milki: yes, basically. it's the same thing, the minor difference is that UTC is by consensus while GMT is astronomical. |
| 18:42.54 | milki | o.O |
| 18:43.07 | imploder | UTC is artificial, GMT is "real" |
| 18:43.35 | imploder | it's (almost) the same time |
| 18:43.41 | gevaerts | imploder: almost? |
| 18:44.12 | imploder | gevaerts: exactly |
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| 18:45.14 | anth | no, it's plus or minus leap seconds. that's all. |
| 18:46.10 | imploder | when two times differ in max. one second, they're almost the same to me |
| 18:46.54 | gevaerts | From what I understand, the practical difference today is always less than one second, but due to different definitions they could diverge |
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| 18:47.46 | gevaerts | But knowing the way some people treat deadlines, such a difference *could* matter for gsoc :) |
| 18:47.46 | imploder | gevaerts: different definitions? |
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| 18:47.52 | imploder | :-D |
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| 18:48.17 | nehiljain_ | hi |
| 18:48.20 | nehiljain_ | could some one tell me |
| 18:48.35 | nehiljain_ | how do you upload a proposal |
| 18:48.40 | nehiljain_ | witgh images and tables |
| 18:49.34 | arjunvj | i have the same problem. my proposal has few images |
| 18:50.01 | gevaerts | imploder: basically (look it up if you want more details, I don't know them!) GMT is the mean solar time on the Greenwich meridian, while UTC is an absolute clock with fixed seconds that is adjusted every now and then (using leap seconds) when some people feel like it (in practice when adding or subtracting a leap second would bring it closer to GMT IIUC). Those leap seconds aren't automatic, so if the people in charge decide not to apply them... |
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| 18:52.21 | nehiljain_ | can we just a link to google doc in the prposal that we update on melange site? |
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| 18:53.12 | gevaerts | nehiljain_: you *can*, but unless you've discussed this with the organisation first, don't be surprised if it's ignored |
| 18:53.37 | arjunvj | give the link to google docs in the additional info |
| 18:53.55 | aghisla | gevaerts: I guess we can put an exhaustive description of timezones as a faq. |
| 18:54.38 | gevaerts | aghisla: if people get much closer to the deadline than the current record (was it 1.5 seconds?), we might have to :) |
| 18:55.05 | aghisla | haha indeed |
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| 18:55.41 | imploder | gevaerts: you're right with the leap seconds, it's not automatic and it's done to keep the difference below 1s. no need to mention it on gsoc though :-) |
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| 18:58.56 | schumaml | btw, the calendar shown at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 is $someweridustimezone ad not UTC |
| 18:59.17 | schumaml | +n |
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| 18:59.20 | gevaerts | schumaml: it says which one |
| 18:59.43 | Triskelios | Google Standard Time :P |
| 18:59.48 | Chinthaka_ | Can anyone please tell me exactly how many hours are there for the students application submit deadline? I could convert it using time zones but i think it will be better to clarify it. Can anyone please help me with that? |
| 19:00.03 | schumaml | gevaerts: yes, $weirdustimezone :) |
| 19:00.07 | gevaerts | Chinthaka_: 24 |
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| 19:00.21 | bitner | thinks that if students are pusing their application that close to the deadline then there is a strong chance they will do the same throughout the program |
| 19:00.26 | gevaerts | Minus a few seconds :) |
| 19:00.47 | Chinthaka_ | that means there are 24 hours more. Thank you very much |
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| 19:03.01 | tschmitz | I am a student applying for GSoC. I want my phone number to be available to my mentoring organization, but not publicly available on the internet. Should I write my phone number in the content of my project proposal and then un-check the "Publicly visible" checkbox? |
| 19:03.35 | gevaerts | tschmitz: that should work, yes |
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| 19:04.11 | tschmitz | gevaerts: OK I'll do that. Thank you. |
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| 19:12.41 | adarsh | hello |
| 19:12.45 | adarsh | anybody here? |
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| 19:12.50 | scgtrp | nope |
| 19:12.51 | scgtrp | ;) |
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| 19:13.04 | gevaerts | I'm over there |
| 19:13.17 | adarsh | the proposal submitted on melange will be considered as oficial or the pdf you submit to the mentor? |
| 19:13.19 | scgtrp | does not actually exist |
| 19:13.22 | scgtrp | pdf? |
| 19:13.28 | scgtrp | we were supposed to submit pdfs? |
| 19:13.31 | adarsh | the file you mail them |
| 19:13.34 | adarsh | noep |
| 19:13.37 | adarsh | nope |
| 19:13.44 | agliodbs | who mails files? |
| 19:13.54 | adarsh | now stop asking |
| 19:13.56 | scgtrp | only things i submitted were a patch to the terminal and an application on melange |
| 19:13.56 | adarsh | and answer |
| 19:13.58 | adarsh | :-/ |
| 19:14.07 | scgtrp | adarsh: nothing is valid unless you include lolcats |
| 19:14.07 | blast007 | adarsh: ask the org |
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| 19:14.37 | scgtrp | (note: my advice is not to be taken as official) |
| 19:14.53 | blast007 | I would think you should have all of the necessary information on melange |
| 19:15.04 | viranch | How can I get the relevant letter from google saying that i'm doing an internship with gsoc? if I get selected, that is. |
| 19:15.33 | SukhE | viranch: It's not an internship. You will be an independent contractor, not an intern. |
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| 19:16.03 | gevaerts | adarsh: "it depends on the org" is the only fully accurate answer, but I personally (as a mentor) much prefer everything on melange |
| 19:16.08 | SukhE | You can request carols for a letter. |
| 19:17.52 | viranch | SukhE: My college accepts my work with gsoc as an industrial internship. so i wanted to know the procedure of getting a proof that i am actually selected in gsoc |
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| 19:22.19 | SukhE | viranch: This should help you: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/studentinfo#cpt |
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| 19:22.40 | SukhE | (Scroll down to: Students Needing Letters for Other Reasons) |
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| 19:25.27 | nouby | hey , i want to see the presented proposal of other students,is it possible? |
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| 19:26.50 | nickbarnesccf | Oh man, here comes the flood. |
| 19:26.52 | aghisla | nouby: if they made the proposal public and shared the link, yes |
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| 19:27.15 | nouby | i can't find it on the site |
| 19:27.25 | Triskelios | some orgs publish proposals from previous years |
| 19:27.52 | nouby | Triskelios: no iam talking about his year proposals |
| 19:28.36 | Ophiuchi | nouby: there's some worry about students just copying a good proposal |
| 19:28.47 | Triskelios | nouby: you can't unless you got a link from the student or org |
| 19:28.59 | nouby | aha :) |
| 19:29.44 | nouby | well,may i see the last year prooposals? |
| 19:29.56 | nouby | i also can't find this link :S |
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| 19:42.29 | bobbens | !next |
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| 19:42.30 | socinfo | bobbens: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 19:44.27 | Guest84260 | I want to participate in a project based on c...any suggestions? |
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| 19:44.42 | Guest84260 | please help me.. |
| 19:44.42 | ajedwards | find a project with a C tag and mostly C source code |
| 19:44.57 | mlankhorst | *whistles* |
| 19:44.58 | ajedwards | search the tags for "c" in the list of organisations on melange |
| 19:45.12 | armaan | how many hours left? |
| 19:45.15 | ajedwards | 23? |
| 19:45.17 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 19:45.19 | socinfo | mlankhorst: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 19:45.32 | ajedwards | armaan, 23 and 15 minutes |
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| 19:46.14 | armaan | ohhh mannn !!! |
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| 20:04.13 | gadulix | I have a question about timeline - didn't found when exactly is the end of application deadline - GMT time or sth like that |
| 20:04.32 | gadulix | 8th April - but what hour ? |
| 20:04.43 | dis | !next |
| 20:04.45 | socinfo | dis: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 20:04.46 | SukhE | 19:00 UTC |
| 20:04.49 | dis | gadulix: ^^ |
| 20:04.52 | gadulix | thanks |
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| 20:06.26 | gadulix | so it is 23 hours from now ? |
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| 20:07.01 | gadulix | i don't know why in google-calendar i see 12:00 |
| 20:07.09 | Kosma | $ TZ=UTC date |
| 20:07.10 | Kosma | Thu Apr 7 20:06:50 UTC 2011 |
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| 20:07.25 | MatthewWilkes | !deadline |
| 20:07.26 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 20:07.29 | MatthewWilkes | gadulix: ^^ |
| 20:08.22 | dhaun | gadulix: note that the Google Calendar mentions a timezone in the lower left corner: Pacific Time |
| 20:08.45 | gadulix | dhaun: now it makes sense |
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| 20:10.10 | MatthewWilkes | kevin7kal: You might want to send a reminder email, btw, that there is less than a day left |
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| 20:10.58 | kevin7kal | MatthewWilkes - good idea |
| 20:11.19 | dberkholz | sent his reminder an hour and a half ago |
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| 20:17.22 | sfb | So would it be worthwhile to updaet bug #611 to include the student application period but instead of incrementing the deadline it would decrement it? |
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| 20:18.19 | dberkholz | carols: i guess we were thinking the same thing. |
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| 20:18.27 | carols | dberkholz: great minds and all that.. |
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| 20:19.00 | Aethaeryn | When I register as a student, for "public name" under "public info" do I put something like my RL name or do I put my nick ("Aethaeryn")? |
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| 20:19.50 | carols | Aethaeryn: the name you want displayed publicly. you choose what that means for you. |
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| 20:21.28 | Aethaeryn | carols: is it possible to change it after I register? |
| 20:21.34 | carols | Aethaeryn: yes |
| 20:21.44 | Aethaeryn | okay, then it's not a big deal if I mess it up |
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| 20:22.56 | dragansah | Hi. In the form submission there was a check box to make my proposal publicly visible. How can I view other publicly visible proposals? |
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| 20:23.43 | gevaerts | dragansah: by getting a link to a publicly visible proposal |
| 20:24.07 | arjunvj | if its private, only mentors and the student can see it ? |
| 20:24.22 | carols | arjunvj: correct. |
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| 20:25.01 | dragansah | gevaerts: OK but how can i search for publicly visible proposals? I want to browse them or that is not possible? |
| 20:25.11 | gevaerts | That's not possible |
| 20:25.26 | akashm1990 | proposals still remain visible to students after the deadline right? |
| 20:25.32 | dragansah | gevaerts: ok thanks |
| 20:25.32 | Aethaeryn | For the phone number, "include complete international calling number"... does that mean add "1" in front for US? |
| 20:25.39 | gevaerts | Aethaeryn: yes |
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| 20:30.04 | CrawfordComeaux | Would it make sense to try and drum up more students from the local university to submit a basic proposal to get in before the deadline & then work with them over the next week or two to flesh everything out? |
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| 20:32.26 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: it's up to your org. do what you want with the constraints you've been given. |
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| 20:33.39 | CrawfordComeaux | excellent...I'll be spending tomorrow morning in the comp sci building's lobby, engaging passers-by in gamestorming games to generate interest & ideas :) |
| 20:33.48 | carols | great :-) |
| 20:34.17 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I had another idea last night, btw. How about having official organisers per country, so one of the active gsoc community members is chosen per country to distribute information to local mailing lists, email universities, etc, to make sure there is a consistent flow of information to all people? |
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| 20:35.00 | carols | MatthewWilkes: great idea. |
| 20:35.03 | gevaerts | CrawfordComeaux: that's pretty close to the deadline :) |
| 20:35.07 | carols | i was just emailing you about your other idea |
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| 20:35.28 | Ophiuchi | there's always next year (hopefully) |
| 20:35.38 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Have you noticed my ideas mean more work for me? /me shuts up |
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| 20:36.04 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i have, actually. funny that :-) although, my ideas usually mean more work for me. |
| 20:36.09 | carols | and since i dont have enough already... |
| 20:36.35 | Ophiuchi | carols: you don't? |
| 20:36.54 | gevaerts | decides to have no ideas today :) |
| 20:37.07 | carols | Ophiuchi: nah, i'm practically resting on my laurels over here :-) |
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| 20:38.28 | censorydep | hands carols tea and cookies to make her laurels resting more pleasant |
| 20:38.37 | carols | aw, thanks censorydep :-) |
| 20:38.45 | Ophiuchi | carols: for some intersting values of "rest", I assume :-P |
| 20:38.48 | gsoc_overwatch | can someone help me out with a very stupid question: how do I upload my proposal on the http://socghop.appspot.com dashboard page? |
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| 20:39.31 | gsoc_overwatch | or point me to an explanation elsewhere |
| 20:39.56 | carols | Ophiuchi: very large values, actually. |
| 20:40.24 | carols | gsoc_overwatch: click on apply. click on the org you want to apply to. put your proposal in the box for your proposal. submit. |
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| 20:40.50 | gsoc_overwatch | thanks |
| 20:40.53 | cjosephs1n | If our application is accepted, are we bound to participating? |
| 20:41.11 | carols | cjosephs1n: yes. why would you apply if you don't want to participate? |
| 20:41.16 | cjosephs1n | I have no plans of backing out |
| 20:41.32 | cjosephs1n | but I have backup plans in case I am not accepted, and I need to know what to tell my interviewers |
| 20:42.09 | cjosephs1n | carols: so I will tell them that any decision is pending the GSOC results. Thanks! |
| 20:42.14 | carols | cjosephs1n: yw |
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| 20:42.21 | MatthewWilkes | cjosephs1n: We at plone had someone do that, it's really, really horrible. Please don't back out of what you apply for, if you do, then tell the org before the projects are announced |
| 20:42.25 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
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| 20:42.37 | Kosma | cjosephs1n: whatever happens, don't go the GSoC + job route |
| 20:42.53 | Kosma | it's not worth it, you'll screw up both |
| 20:43.11 | cjosephs1n | Kosma: I wouldn't, that sounds far too stressful... |
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| 20:43.27 | rajatkhanduja | I have heard that it is possible for projects to be withdrawn AFTER the student proposal deadline is over ... is that true ? |
| 20:44.11 | carols | Nightrose: thank you. |
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| 20:44.20 | Nightrose | carols: heh no problem |
| 20:44.28 | gevaerts | !couch |
| 20:44.29 | socinfo | gevaerts: "couch" is An open source couch on which to chill. |
| 20:44.32 | gevaerts | sits down |
| 20:44.42 | Kosma | likes it |
| 20:44.42 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: Sure, just email the mentoring org and tell them you want to withdraw it, or comment on the proposal. Just do it ASAP, once it's the deduplication meeting the org probably won't be able to replace you |
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| 20:45.04 | Talad | carols: can you please confirm that we will get the slots for students next week? |
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| 20:45.12 | Talad | on the timeline it says: "mentor slot" |
| 20:45.18 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: So, I got an email from the guy who posted my phone just. |
| 20:45.23 | rajatkhanduja | MatthewWilkes: I guess I didn't put it correctly.. I was intending to ask if the PROJECT itself could be scrapped !!! |
| 20:45.24 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: He apologised for not sending it yet |
| 20:45.27 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: :D:D:D |
| 20:45.28 | carols | Talad: confirmed. it's also on the calendar. |
| 20:45.31 | agliodbs | Talad: have you done GSOC before? |
| 20:45.31 | CrawfordComeaux | gevaerts: I'm going to have a laptop available to allow students interested to submit an application template w/just contact info filled in. |
| 20:45.35 | Talad | I suppose mentor slots is same as students slots |
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| 20:45.43 | Talad | agliodbs: never, first year! |
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| 20:45.47 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: hah - awesome - so what was the note for you got? |
| 20:45.49 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: The organisation or the proposal? |
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| 20:46.02 | agliodbs | Talad: there's going to be several adjustments in the number of student slots |
| 20:46.06 | gevaerts | CrawfordComeaux: sneaky :) |
| 20:46.10 | Talad | takes out the n00b t-shirt |
| 20:46.11 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: I hope it wasn't my sheet of TANs |
| 20:46.17 | Nightrose | heh |
| 20:46.19 | agliodbs | Talad: you'll probably only get final numbers a couple days before the deadline |
| 20:46.19 | rajatkhanduja | MatthewWilkes: project cancelled by the organisation or the organisation no more being part of GSOC (maybe because of insufficient number of applicants) |
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| 20:46.42 | Talad | agliodbs: ok, I've read the notes on allocations, I know they are going to be tweaked |
| 20:46.44 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: The organisation doesn't have specific projects, they provide ideas. The proposal you sent is considered and voted upon |
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| 20:47.10 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: It's possible they decide the idea was a bad one, but I don't think that's very likely at all |
| 20:47.23 | Talad | but it was saying the tweaking after the communication is for "waiting list" only |
| 20:47.42 | Talad | so I expect to get a pretty good indicative number already next week. |
| 20:47.49 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: As to the org not taking part in SoC after application deadline ends, I suppose it's possible if there's some disaster that cripples the org, or they change their minds, but again, I don't think that's likely. I've never heard f it |
| 20:48.00 | Talad | which will be important to lock the mentors down on their chairs :) |
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| 20:48.24 | rajatkhanduja | MatthewWilkes: thank you for clearing that up .. I guess I had the wrong idea and fears |
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| 20:48.48 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: The big thing that decides it is, how much effort did you put into your proposal? |
| 20:49.01 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: I've got one at the moment that can't have taken more than 10 minutes to do |
| 20:49.10 | CrawfordComeaux | gevaerts: maybe, but all of our ideas are fairly open-ended and seems like they require a bit of time to come up with worthwhile proposals (though the PHD students applying were able to come up with cool concepts within 30-60 mins of me engaging them) |
| 20:49.29 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: The more hours you spend on it, the better it will be. |
| 20:49.51 | rajatkhanduja | MatthewWilkes: I've submitted a proposal, but haven't been contacted about it by the mentors so far, should I be worried ? |
| 20:50.13 | CrawfordComeaux | gevaerts: plus, I'll be facilitating activities at that time to help generate interesting proposal ideas for students to use (and will be doing so with applicants full-time next week until everyone's got an idea) |
| 20:50.35 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: No, not really. Talk to people in the org on irc, get their feedback |
| 20:51.28 | gevaerts | CrawfordComeaux: Good luck I'd say :) |
| 20:52.14 | CrawfordComeaux | gevaerts: thanks...besides, it's an excuse to physically do what I've been doing in IRC for the past 2 weeks...should be a fun way to wrap up the official application process :) |
| 20:52.37 | CrawfordComeaux | and after that, I head out of town for Startup Weekend Baton Rouge :D |
| 20:53.29 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: that might mean that your proposal is so good they have no questions |
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| 20:54.15 | agliodbs | MatthewWilkes: I think it's happened before, for a very small project which only had 2-3 developers |
| 20:54.24 | agliodbs | MatthewWilkes: can't remember which though |
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| 20:56.13 | rajatkhanduja | agliodbs: I'd be very happy if that were the case ... |
| 20:56.54 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: more likely it means that the org hasn't looked at all the submisisons |
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| 20:57.16 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: but we have a couple where we didn't ask any quesitons because we already know we're going to accept them |
| 20:57.23 | agliodbs | or reject them |
| 20:57.48 | rajatkhanduja | agliodbs: fingers crossed .. eyes on the mail-box .. (the organisation doesn't have an IRC ) |
| 20:57.53 | ajedwards | my org said they were too busy to look at them |
| 20:57.54 | ajedwards | lol |
| 20:58.02 | beng-nl | that's lame |
| 20:58.08 | beng-nl | if you enroll for gsoc as an org |
| 20:58.14 | ajedwards | meantime, I begin searching for a new project... |
| 20:58.15 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: what project? |
| 20:58.17 | ajedwards | lol |
| 20:58.31 | rajatkhanduja | agliodbs: Gambit |
| 20:58.35 | beng-nl | otoh there's still some time for reviewing |
| 20:58.37 | ajedwards | if they can't review my application, they aren't going to be a great deal of help to me |
| 20:58.48 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: find their mailing lists/forums |
| 20:58.52 | agliodbs | introduce yourself there |
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| 21:01.04 | Nightrose | ajedwards: well to be fair to them they might be overwhelmed with applications |
| 21:01.11 | Nightrose | after the rush now it might get a lot better |
| 21:01.24 | Nightrose | especially for smaller orgs it can be quite a challange |
| 21:01.45 | Nightrose | but once the rush is over they can deal well with the few students they actually have to mentor |
| 21:01.56 | Nightrose | not nice of course but... |
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| 21:03.56 | achillion | Good luck on your apps everyone |
| 21:04.38 | rajatkhanduja | agliodbc: Also, there's a project for which the mentor has not yet been decided (at least that's what the webpage states, "I will try to participate as a student this year, so I can't be a mentor and I'm looking for someone else" ) ... the proposal deadline is already here, so when would the mentor be decided !? |
| 21:04.54 | rajatkhanduja | agliodbs: Also, there's a project for which the mentor has not yet been decided (at least that's what the webpage states, "I will try to participate as a student this year, so I can't be a mentor and I'm looking for someone else" ) ... the proposal deadline is already here, so when would the mentor be decided !? |
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| 21:05.20 | Nightrose | during the evaluation most likely |
| 21:05.27 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: link? |
| 21:05.34 | MatthewWilkes | rajatkhanduja: At some point. You just need to be patient. A mentor being picked or not picked is not a good or bad sign |
| 21:05.40 | kblin | evening folks |
| 21:05.47 | Nightrose | 'lo kblin |
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| 21:06.20 | hartem | Will there be a possibility for students to edit their applications after the submission deadline? |
| 21:06.28 | rajatkhanduja | @agliodbs: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas#Knights (the first project) [ this is different from the Gambit project, I was considering applying for this] |
| 21:06.38 | Ivanovic | hartem: no, but you can (and should!) leave comments |
| 21:06.39 | ojwb | hartem: don't rely on it |
| 21:06.46 | aboSamoor | Hi, I would like to ask if I get an internship other than gsoc, can I drop my gsoc submission ? |
| 21:06.54 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: ah, it's not a whole project, just a particular task? |
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| 21:06.57 | ojwb | at some point updates may be possible if permitted by the org |
| 21:07.07 | Nightrose | aboSamoor: when will you want to drop it? |
| 21:07.08 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: yes, but please do it NOW |
| 21:07.27 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: if you accept the internship after you already accepted a GSOC slot |
| 21:07.32 | hartem | thanks |
| 21:07.37 | MatthewWilkes | hi kblin |
| 21:07.42 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: you will probably be banned from GSOC for life |
| 21:07.50 | Nightrose | and cost a project a slot |
| 21:07.54 | Nightrose | and another student a chance |
| 21:07.56 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: as well as the project you applied for |
| 21:08.09 | Nightrose | that'd be bad (TM) |
| 21:08.13 | aboSamoor | that is really bad |
| 21:08.25 | carols | nods and agrees with agliodbs and Nightrose |
| 21:08.39 | rajatkhanduja | agliodbs: the Knights project has just one idea listed .. and the mentor's not decided ! (sorry if I'm being too doubtful, just wanted to make sure that I'm not headed towards something that is bound to be cancelled/withdrawn) |
| 21:08.41 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: I'm not speaking hypothetically, it's happened before |
| 21:08.48 | aboSamoor | agliodbs: but I am already in the procedure of many applications, I mean I am also interviewed by google |
| 21:08.56 | agliodbs | rajatkhanduja: yeah, I'd apply for other stuff if I were you |
| 21:09.01 | Nightrose | rajatkhanduja: aha! -> #kde-soc |
| 21:09.11 | agliodbs | !timeline |
| 21:09.12 | socinfo | agliodbs: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 21:09.47 | aboSamoor | agliodbs: can you point me to where that is written, because I read the terms and did not find something specific. |
| 21:10.06 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: just decide by the 18th |
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| 21:10.16 | Ivanovic | rajatkhanduja: you should already be talking to the projects *right now* |
| 21:10.31 | Ivanovic | rajatkhanduja: and that no mentor is assigned at the moment does not say anything |
| 21:10.36 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: Carols is the Google SOC lead, and she just verified it above |
| 21:10.41 | Talad | well, talking to projects should be pretty much completed by now. |
| 21:10.51 | Ivanovic | eg at wesnoth we decide whom will mentor whom when reviewing the proposals and doing the ranking |
| 21:10.52 | carols | yes i did |
| 21:11.05 | Ivanovic | Talad: no, it should be an ongoing process |
| 21:11.11 | Talad | hi Ivanovic: cool, wesnoth, I love it. |
| 21:11.14 | Ivanovic | Talad: there is still feedback and reactions from the students |
| 21:11.15 | hartem | !timeline |
| 21:11.17 | socinfo | hartem: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 21:11.39 | Talad | I mean for the proposals, the deadline is in 20 hours, so should be pretty much be done |
| 21:12.05 | Ivanovic | Talad: and santa clause bringt presents every year |
| 21:12.05 | agliodbs | aboSamoor: in fact, it would be a good idea to come clear on your proposals and let orgs know that you're applying for other stuff |
| 21:12.06 | Talad | if I see a student approaching me now, well, he doesn't have good chances. |
| 21:12.12 | Ivanovic | followed by the easter rabbit |
| 21:12.14 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:12.25 | agliodbs | Talad: nah, we have another ~~ 12 days as orgs |
| 21:12.29 | Ivanovic | there are still students submitting now and working things out |
| 21:12.47 | Ivanovic | and every student will get their feedback, no matter if there at the first day or later |
| 21:12.55 | Talad | well, I followed another route, which is to use the timeline as intended |
| 21:13.02 | Talad | which is having their proposal ready by tomorrow |
| 21:13.10 | Talad | not a dummy slot entered and they work it out |
| 21:13.10 | Ivanovic | though chances for those to make it in are smaller since it is a freaking amount of work to get a good proposal that is likely to be accepted done |
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| 21:13.34 | Talad | I agree there are still 2 weeks for org |
| 21:13.34 | agliodbs | Talad: sure. but I know that *we* are going to ask some students to revise their proposals |
| 21:13.43 | Ivanovic | oh, part of the selection process is to provide feedback and see what the student does as reaction |
| 21:13.49 | Talad | but the message to the students should be "be ready for tomorrow" |
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| 21:13.58 | gevaerts | Talad: sure, but there's a vast range between "fully finished and perfect proposal" and "dummy" |
| 21:14.07 | aboSamoor | carols: so you suggest I do not apply if I already applied to other places and gsoc is not my priority. I care for gsoc and I appreciate the spirit behind that, so I do not want to harm anyone or being banned ? |
| 21:14.15 | Talad | sure, there can be smaller revisions and updates, I agree. |
| 21:14.29 | carols | aboSamoor: indeed, i agree with that assessment. |
| 21:14.31 | Ivanovic | oh, our students *do* know that we start with the selection process after the deadline and if their info is not available early enough, they simply got no chance |
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| 21:14.57 | Ivanovic | (and we won't set a fixed date what "early enough" really means, since we don't know it perfectly yet either, the final stuff will be done in a meeting when all mentors/admins got time) |
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| 21:15.12 | Talad | I see |
| 21:15.26 | Talad | well, has been quite an experience for me, I dedicated tons of time to it |
| 21:15.31 | gevaerts | aboSamoor: if you're clear about the other places in your proposal, and you're clear about your priorities, the org can make an educated choice, but I wouldn't expect you to have a good chance of getting chosen then |
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| 21:15.34 | Talad | and enjoyed it so far |
| 21:16.06 | Ivanovic | and i already know that i will leave some "your timeline needs significantly more work, it won't work as you stated it" comments in many of our proposals |
| 21:16.31 | |Kev| | gevaerts: We have been told by some students that they might not accept a slot if offered because they've applied for internships, and it hasn't affected (at least my) opinion about whether they should be accepted or not. |
| 21:16.33 | Ivanovic | seeing that some students think that the last two weeks might be perfectly fine for "documenting the work done" which is clearly a no go in my eyes |
| 21:16.45 | |Kev| | As an extra datum, not as a contradiction. |
| 21:17.01 | ojwb | wonders if melange should just always add a "your timeline needs more work" comment automatically |
| 21:17.28 | Ivanovic | ojwb: there might be single cases (significantly less than 1% ;) ) that does not need improvements |
| 21:17.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:17.37 | |Kev| | ojwb: "Your timeline needs more work. Please put in milestones. Do not leaving documentation and testing until the end. Work iteratively ,please" |
| 21:17.45 | Kosma | hahahaha |
| 21:17.50 | mdc | Does anyone know if students can edit their proposals after submission, or if they are immutable once submitted? |
| 21:17.53 | Kosma | |Kev|: so true... |
| 21:18.02 | |Kev| | mdc: Are you a student or mentor? |
| 21:18.08 | |Kev| | As a student, you should consider it immutable. |
| 21:18.17 | ojwb | |Kev|: you need to ask? |
| 21:18.17 | mdc | |Kev|: O |
| 21:18.26 | gevaerts | |Kev|: it depends I guess. If gsoc is a backup in case none of seventeen other things work out, that's quite different from "I also applied to this one thing that I *really* want but where I have 5% chance of getting in" |
| 21:18.32 | mdc | |Kev|: I'm a mentor |
| 21:18.45 | |Kev| | As a mentor, I believe functionality is either already therer, or is planned, to allow you to turn on edits per-proposal. |
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| 21:19.00 | mdc | ah, ok |
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| 21:19.07 | mdc | let me rtfm |
| 21:19.09 | |Kev| | ojwb: That means I've just done something really stupid and I should recognise the nick, doesn't it? :( |
| 21:19.09 | ojwb | that's what we've had in the past, usually a while after submissions close |
| 21:19.44 | ojwb | |Kev|: well, I'm surprised you've not heard of marty if you've been involved in gsoc for a while |
| 21:20.05 | ojwb | especially if you've been to a summit |
| 21:20.08 | |Kev| | Surely having heard of and remembering are two different things? |
| 21:20.12 | |Kev| | I've never been to a summit :( |
| 21:20.21 | carols | mdc is awesome. :-) |
| 21:20.27 | mdc | awwww :) |
| 21:20.27 | carols | just a PSA |
| 21:20.32 | mdc | you guys are so nice :) |
| 21:20.39 | gevaerts | ojwb: meeting people at the summit is not the best way of knowing their nicknames :) |
| 21:20.54 | |Kev| | Ok, PSA to me means Peter Saint-Andre. What does it mean here? |
| 21:21.11 | redheadphones | public service announcement |
| 21:21.20 | |Kev| | Ahhar, murky buckets. |
| 21:21.43 | mdc | I have a student with proposal-perfection-syndrome, and I'm trying to get him to submit it now, since I don't want him to wait until the last moment and have a problem with network connectivity or something. |
| 21:22.02 | gevaerts | suspects that |Kev| may now well have confused the other side with that one :) |
| 21:22.12 | |Kev| | gevaerts: "oops" :) |
| 21:22.35 | gevaerts | |Kev|: at least you could have added "pardon my french" :) |
| 21:22.52 | gevaerts | Or would that have made things worse? |
| 21:22.57 | kodoque | !deadline |
| 21:22.59 | socinfo | kodoque: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 21:26.53 | Talad | mdc: tell him he needs to secure the official participation to the program by submitting the proposal in google site, and then he can update it in the next hours. |
| 21:27.16 | Talad | something like: "what if you have a blackout at home and cannot connect to the net in the next 20 hours?" :) |
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| 21:27.47 | Kosma | mdc: assure him you're not going to read it until the deadline :) |
| 21:27.49 | mdc | Talad: Thanks, I let him know. He can even submit two, and we can choose the more complete one. |
| 21:28.17 | Talad | I think the perfectionist will be scared of the blackout and submit it immediately! |
| 21:28.20 | |Kev| | Deary me. Teaser tasks = great, but by golly! do the patch reviews take a while for some students. |
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| 21:29.09 | kitallis | !timeleft |
| 21:29.39 | kitallis | !help |
| 21:29.40 | socinfo | kitallis: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 21:30.07 | Talad | kitallis: !deadline |
| 21:30.13 | kitallis | !deadline |
| 21:30.14 | socinfo | kitallis: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 21:31.12 | gevaerts | !learn lifeline as Here, have a cookie and some coffee |
| 21:31.12 | socinfo | gevaerts: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:31.42 | ojwb | mdc: you know students can update a proposal they've submitted until the deadline? |
| 21:32.26 | mdc | ojwb: Yes, I have been informed by one of our applicants :) |
| 21:32.58 | ojwb | mdc: ok, "He can even submit two, and we can choose the more complete one" just made me wonder |
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| 21:34.01 | mdc | ojwb: He said "submitted, and see a big 'update' button now" :) |
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| 21:38.19 | dberkholz | hopefully that's for separate ideas. |
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| 21:49.52 | betaVersion | hi i have uploaded my proposal here : http://bit.ly/gDoRu8 could anyone please share his/her insights on my proposal thanks |
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| 21:51.09 | |Kev| | betaVersion: Better to ask the org that than ask in here. |
| 21:51.35 | ojwb | resists saying "the timeline needs work" without looking |
| 21:51.48 | ojwb | but |Kev| is right, different orgs look for different things |
| 21:51.48 | betaVersion | asked them, first time applying to GSoC so little anxious, hope you understand |
| 21:52.14 | betaVersion | ojwb : could you please suggest the changes in timeline |
| 21:52.20 | armaan | well, whatever is the result on 25th April, i must say i learned here a lot. |
| 21:52.33 | |Kev| | armaan: GSoC is good for that. |
| 21:52.43 | ojwb | betaVersion: it was a reference to earlier, where I suggested melange should just automatically add such a comment |
| 21:52.46 | dberkholz | !numapps |
| 21:52.48 | socinfo | dberkholz: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 21:53.25 | betaVersion | k |
| 21:53.29 | ojwb | betaVersion: I'd suggest splitting yours up so at least each numbered task is separate |
| 21:53.46 | ojwb | granularity of at most a week is good I think |
| 21:53.52 | betaVersion | how about the proposal as a whole ? |
| 21:53.53 | ojwb | but catdroid may have other ideas |
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| 21:54.19 | ojwb | well, I'm struggling to keep up with reviewing my own |
| 21:54.27 | ojwb | it look ok from a skim |
| 21:54.43 | betaVersion | is it detailed or too short ? |
| 21:54.57 | ojwb | seriously, ask catdroid |
| 21:55.06 | betaVersion | fine thanks |
| 21:55.08 | ojwb | it's hard to be too detailed I feel |
| 21:55.14 | ojwb | but they may disagree |
| 21:55.26 | todorpetrov | go nema. Prichina - Bolqt me prustite veche... (avtomatichno sled 15 minuti idle) |
| 21:55.40 | dragansah | betaVersion: I cannot open your proposal. It says google docs document unavailable can u submit it to melange and post the public link here? |
| 21:55.45 | armaan | @dberkholz: did you created all the bots in gsoc :P |
| 21:55.55 | kblin | !canihazextension |
| 21:55.56 | armaan | :) |
| 21:56.13 | kblin | !learn canihazextension as negatory. |
| 21:56.13 | betaVersion | sure |
| 21:56.13 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:56.31 | kblin | !extension |
| 21:56.33 | socinfo | kblin: "extension" is not planned. |
| 21:56.41 | kblin | ok, prepared for tomorrow |
| 21:56.47 | gevaerts | !lifeline |
| 21:56.48 | socinfo | gevaerts: "lifeline" is Here, have a cookie and some coffee |
| 21:56.59 | gevaerts | hm, I won't sleep if I drink that |
| 21:57.06 | gevaerts | eats the cookie though |
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| 21:57.37 | carols | thank you kblin |
| 21:57.43 | carols | that was on my list of things to do today |
| 21:57.50 | betaVersion | dragansah:ojwb could open it |
| 21:58.17 | kblin | carols: my pleasure :) |
| 21:59.17 | kblin | ack, what happened to the project column? |
| 21:59.17 | beng-nl | mmm cokie |
| 21:59.20 | beng-nl | mmm cookie |
| 21:59.23 | beng-nl | munch munch |
| 21:59.37 | MatthewWilkes | yay, booked 4 nights in london over easter |
| 21:59.54 | kblin | ah, there it is |
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| 22:00.11 | gevaerts | will be in London in early June |
| 22:00.26 | emanuela | hello |
| 22:00.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: the sort-by-org dropdown is totally useful, thanks for that |
| 22:00.27 | ojwb | dragansah: maybe you need to be signed in to a google account? |
| 22:00.38 | SRabbelier | kblin: isn't it though? |
| 22:00.45 | SRabbelier | kblin: the advantages of me being a mentor for KDE |
| 22:00.45 | dragansah | ojwb: but I am |
| 22:00.50 | SRabbelier | (which I don't care about) |
| 22:00.53 | ojwb | dragansah: I've no idea then |
| 22:01.00 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: :O You chose KDE to spy on this time? |
| 22:01.01 | kblin | it was hidden by default, that confused me |
| 22:01.02 | MatthewWilkes | pouts |
| 22:01.07 | emanuela | I've got a simple question:I'm adjunct researcher to a university, that is I have already a PhD. Am I eligible for gsoc? |
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| 22:01.15 | ojwb | !eligible |
| 22:01.16 | socinfo | ojwb: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 22:01.20 | ojwb | emanuela: ^ |
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| 22:01.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: they're bigger |
| 22:01.52 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: also, they had a problem :) |
| 22:01.55 | emanuela | not eligible so? |
| 22:02.01 | MatthewWilkes | emanuela: If your university considers you a student, maybe. My friends in that position are usually considered staff. Staff aren't eligible. |
| 22:02.04 | pri88 | carols: hi |
| 22:02.09 | carols | pri88: hi |
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| 22:03.07 | pri88 | carols: I couldn't fill up my address in the profile page, because it only allows 0-9, a-Z and space. I have to use '/' in my address. Any possiblity > |
| 22:03.19 | carols | pri88: nope, no possiblity. |
| 22:03.24 | kblin | pri88: don't write a / ? |
| 22:03.44 | kblin | pri88: the / certainly means something, might want to spell it out |
| 22:03.47 | Kosma | pri88: I just used a space instead and hoped for the best |
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| 22:04.06 | SRabbelier | pri88: the field tells you it's impossible |
| 22:04.19 | SRabbelier | pri88: no? |
| 22:04.40 | pri88 | carols: then, how can I indicate it, because my address is meaningless without using '/' or '-' |
| 22:04.50 | carols | pri88: spell it out |
| 22:04.54 | MatthewWilkes | pri88: Most people have been using a space |
| 22:04.56 | pri88 | SRabbelier: yes, it says itsn't notpsosible |
| 22:05.00 | pri88 | carols: ok |
| 22:05.05 | MatthewWilkes | My address has - in it too, I just missed them out |
| 22:05.16 | dragansah | Here is my proposal: http://bit.ly/eoxT3W (Please feel free to comment) |
| 22:05.56 | dragansah | ASF gave the structure its just that I want to here if someone has any kind of remarks or proposals |
| 22:05.57 | pri88 | MatthewWilkes: yes, but if the spae is accidentaly removed or not considered, it will endup at another place :) |
| 22:06.06 | MatthewWilkes | pri88: :S |
| 22:06.09 | MatthewWilkes | I hate my address |
| 22:06.11 | MatthewWilkes | I can't say it |
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| 22:07.08 | gevaerts | pri88: presumably that / or - means something like "apartment" or "box"? If so, write "apt" or "box" |
| 22:07.56 | beng-nl | dragansah: if i were a mentor (which i am, but different org), i'd want less project description, and more demonstrating that you've thought about it; and more making the case for why you are the guy/girl they should pick (e.g. relevant experience, passion for implementing things that happen when you right-click, etc.) |
| 22:08.34 | ojwb | people with a passion for right clicking? |
| 22:08.40 | beng-nl | that would also be good |
| 22:08.56 | MatthewWilkes | Preferably not the geocities style "DON'T STEAL MY GIF'S BRO!" alerts |
| 22:09.32 | beng-nl | haha |
| 22:09.35 | beng-nl | that page gets a taze |
| 22:09.38 | dragansah | beng-nl: OK thanks will consider some changes |
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| 22:11.25 | beng-nl | dragansah: what we tell our students is: treat it as a job application; motivation / pitch (cover letter), back up with facts (resume/CV) |
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| 22:14.06 | beng-nl | carols: is the summit date set in stone btw? |
| 22:14.16 | carols | beng-nl: pretty much, yes. |
| 22:14.23 | beng-nl | (if my org lets me go again, it'd be nice to get tickets so early) |
| 22:14.26 | beng-nl | carols: great, thanks |
| 22:14.29 | carols | beng-nl: there would have to be a pretty major event to make me change the dates |
| 22:14.53 | betaVersion | in my project proposal i had a picture, when i copy pasted it from my word file, on the page i cant find it, can anyone please let me know whats going wrong ? |
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| 22:15.16 | beng-nl | carols: great that we know about it so soon this year, thanks! |
| 22:15.16 | betaVersion | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/gamebit07/1 |
| 22:15.25 | carols | beng-nl: you're welcome :-) |
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| 22:15.33 | bahaa | suck |
| 22:15.44 | MatthewWilkes | lh! |
| 22:15.57 | lh | MatthewWilkes: matthew! |
| 22:16.00 | lh | MatthewWilkes: how goes? |
| 22:16.03 | carols | hey lh :-) |
| 22:16.07 | carols | lh: so good seeing you today |
| 22:16.26 | lh | carols: truly. been far too long. thanks for taking time out to have lunch with me. |
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| 22:16.37 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I just booked a 5 day trip to england a few minutes ago. It's going pretty damn well. How're you? |
| 22:16.38 | carols | lh: of course. let's do it again soon, eh? |
| 22:16.49 | lh | carols: definitely! |
| 22:16.50 | lh | ma |
| 22:16.59 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i am so jealous. want! |
| 22:17.11 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i am doing very well thank you. at linux foundation collab summit. |
| 22:17.19 | lh | needs to pay attention, back to channel later |
| 22:17.22 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Well, it cost about as much as a flight to the east coast would be, stupid easter |
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| 22:18.43 | dragansah | beng-nl: I focused on explaining the ideas. I thought that is the best way that the mentors see that I have some knowledge and that I'm serious |
| 22:18.43 | dragansah | beng-nl: I'm writing a short bio just now. I think that for the tapestry community it is important to select the project they think will benefit the community the most. ON the mailing list i think that i exaplained that I am passionate and experienced to do the job right. It is not a big competition AFAIK there are total 3 applications for tapestry based on the discussions on the mailing lists (mine and 2 more) |
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| 22:20.59 | beng-nl | dragansah: ok |
| 22:21.36 | beng-nl | dragansah: have you contributed anything to the project before? if not, doing some example work to show you're up to speed will help a lot too |
| 22:21.41 | beng-nl | (a requirement for us) |
| 22:22.13 | beng-nl | dragansah: the 'additional info' is smart to add btw |
| 22:22.28 | beng-nl | (that you're able to commit fulltime) |
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| 22:24.38 | dragansah | beng-nl: I have reported some bugs |
| 22:25.12 | dragansah | beng-nl: Do you think implementing some of it now? or between April 8 and April 22 |
| 22:27.44 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | is there anyway to upload a word document when submitting a proposal? |
| 22:27.44 | ArthurLiu | my mailbox is definitely heating up from the melange mails |
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| 22:29.11 | beng-nl | dragansah: all i can say to that is a vague 'earlier is better' :) |
| 22:29.53 | ojwb | gsoc_Daedalus789: no, thankfully |
| 22:30.07 | dragansah | beng-nl: Thanks |
| 22:30.13 | beng-nl | dragansah: good luck :) |
| 22:30.38 | ojwb | gsoc_Daedalus789: you'll find proprietary formats generally aren't a good choice round here... |
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| 22:37.15 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | i know, i know using word is bad, but I was lulled into it because of fromating lol. Thanks for the confirmation though |
| 22:39.36 | ojwb | gsoc_Daedalus789: it's much simpler to be able to read it inline anyway - I don't want to have to go downloading files to review proposals |
| 22:39.54 | ojwb | you should be able to export HTML and paste that in |
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| 22:42.07 | gsoc_Daedalus789 | ok thanks, my main issue was that I made a class diagram and it wasnt translating well. Ill try the html though |
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| 22:43.50 | Dark_Shikari | !next |
| 22:43.51 | socinfo | Dark_Shikari: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 22:55.04 | josip | hello, if I submit an application will I be able to edit it later on? |
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| 22:55.44 | carols | josip: until the deadline tomorrow, yes. |
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| 22:56.10 | josip | thanks |
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| 22:56.21 | carols | yw |
| 22:56.32 | agliodbs | lh: hey! how have you been? |
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| 22:56.56 | josip | the time is local mountain view? |
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| 22:57.04 | carols | josip: 19:00 UTC |
| 22:57.42 | josip | thanks |
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| 23:00.49 | ojwb | http://survex.com/~olly/xapian-gsoc2011-applications.png |
| 23:01.07 | ojwb | interestingly it flattened off in the middle less than it felt like it did |
| 23:01.23 | lolfrenz | that's serious? |
| 23:01.39 | ojwb | it's genuine data, if that's what you mean |
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| 23:02.10 | lolfrenz | yes |
| 23:02.23 | ojwb | if any org admins want the template spreadsheet, I can put that up |
| 23:02.33 | ojwb | you just need to CSV export from the app list |
| 23:02.42 | operhiem1 | What are the implications of setting a proposal to be public? |
| 23:02.56 | ojwb | operhiem1: anyone with the URL can see it |
| 23:03.06 | operhiem1 | Besides, of course, publicity. Why would I want to keep it private? |
| 23:03.11 | ojwb | or who can guess the URL, which is fairly easy if they know your link id |
| 23:03.12 | betaVersion | how can you show a picture in your proposal? |
| 23:03.19 | asleo | hi carols |
| 23:03.39 | ojwb | operhiem1: if it has personal details on it, perhaps |
| 23:03.41 | carols | hi asleo |
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| 23:04.24 | asleo | carols: what means the "Status: pending" in the proposal? |
| 23:04.33 | Triskelios | operhiem1: there is the possibility other applicants can use it for a competitive advantage |
| 23:04.43 | carols | asleo: you've submitted it but it hasn't been acted on by a org admin or mentor |
| 23:05.15 | operhiem1 | I feel like I don't know how long sub-tasks will take, should I just list them and have a goal of completing on average a certain number per week? |
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| 23:05.47 | carols | SRabbelier: ping |
| 23:05.59 | Triskelios | guesstimate, and say it's a rough guess |
| 23:06.09 | asleo | carols: do they need change it before tomorrow 19h? |
| 23:06.20 | carols | asleo: no, they're not required to |
| 23:06.30 | carols | they can do whatever they like with it |
| 23:07.04 | Triskelios | carols: what is considered an "action"? |
| 23:07.06 | asleo | carols: ok, thanks :) |
| 23:07.40 | carols | Triskelios: reviewing it, scoring it, commenting on it i believe. |
| 23:08.14 | ojwb | hmm, we've scored and commented on pretty much all our proposals, but they are still shown as pending |
| 23:08.21 | carols | well, fair enough |
| 23:08.31 | carols | SRabbelier would know, i just work here |
| 23:08.43 | ojwb | carols: you don't *just* work here... |
| 23:08.59 | carols | ojwb: it's a job :-) |
| 23:09.17 | ojwb | Triskelios: anyway, "pending" isn't a bad sign |
| 23:10.06 | Triskelios | it seems to be confusing a lot of people |
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| 23:14.47 | ojwb | Triskelios: if you can think of a clearer term, feel free to suggest it |
| 23:17.03 | Crix- | !countdown |
| 23:17.11 | Crix- | countdown clock anyone? |
| 23:17.53 | carols | Crix-: i think you just nominated yourself to make one |
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| 23:22.58 | ojwb | !deadline |
| 23:22.59 | socinfo | ojwb: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 23:23.00 | mjohnst | I am getting an error while trying to submit a proposal to an organization: "Invalid XSRF token." |
| 23:23.02 | mjohnst | any suggestions |
| 23:23.02 | ojwb | Crix-: ^ |
| 23:23.09 | ojwb | mjohnst: try to resubmit |
| 23:23.20 | mjohnst | i have a few times, same error |
| 23:23.21 | ojwb | it probably just means you took a long time to fill the form in |
| 23:23.27 | ojwb | SRabbelier: ^^ |
| 23:23.34 | mjohnst | maybe if i open a new form page |
| 23:23.53 | ojwb | that might work, though I thought resubmitting did |
| 23:24.01 | ojwb | s/might/will probably/ |
| 23:24.06 | beng-nl | countdown clock: http://xrl.in/8qot |
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| 23:24.34 | ojwb | beng-nl: there's on in !deadline |
| 23:24.43 | beng-nl | oh. |
| 23:24.50 | ojwb | socinfo: learn deadline as Countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 23:24.50 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:24.55 | ojwb | socinfo: forget deadline 1 |
| 23:24.55 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:25.22 | ojwb | socinfo: learn deadline as 19:00 UTC April 8th, countdown clock: http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
| 23:25.22 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:25.25 | ojwb | socinfo: forget deadline 1 |
| 23:25.25 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 23:37.09 | infinity0 | fucking hell some of these proposals are bullshit |
| 23:37.31 | infinity0 | i just read through a user-interface application, where he didn't make any points specifically related to our project |
| 23:37.50 | infinity0 | in fact, everything they said could well be applied to every single software project in existence |
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| 23:38.52 | ojwb | infinity0: I bet 19 other orgs have the same application |
| 23:38.59 | infinity0 | yeah, Sean T anyone? |
| 23:39.10 | infinity0 | we really need a "mark as spam" button, and if someone gets enough they get auto-disqualified |
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| 23:39.31 | scgtrp | infinity0: if the other 19 feel the same way it's close enough to being disqualified (he won't get in) |
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| 23:39.45 | infinity0 | yeah but it wastes 19 mentors' time |
| 23:39.46 | CrawfordComeaux | infinity0: I posted our top-ranked proposal in our gsoc group and provided a link in the application template to a guide on writing software proposals...some of the students STILL don't get it |
| 23:40.05 | infinity0 | if i can save 15 of those people 10 minutes of reading time with one "-1" button, i'll be more than satisfied |
| 23:40.09 | infinity0 | because he won't be the only one doing this |
| 23:40.14 | scgtrp | fair enough |
| 23:40.17 | infinity0 | in fact last year we had quite a few of this sort of bullshit too |
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| 23:40.42 | CrawfordComeaux | in response to my comment requesting more detail, one student replied w/his own comment saying "Here are the details: <insert 5 sentences that barely describe anything>" |
| 23:40.46 | ojwb | it happens every year |
| 23:40.55 | ojwb | perhaps less with time though |
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| 23:41.46 | CrawfordComeaux | For next year: a spam reporting system that will prevent reported spammers from posting |
| 23:41.52 | ojwb | I tend to think the 20 limit is too high, but I suspect you'd just get students trying it on by signing up multiple times if it was lower |
| 23:41.52 | navneet | #CrawfordComeaux : can you provide the link for you template? |
| 23:42.12 | infinity0 | some choice quotes (from the same proposal): |
| 23:42.14 | CrawfordComeaux | navneet: http://bit.ly/fcgsoc2011template |
| 23:42.15 | infinity0 | "I can commit at least five hours per week and more is possible to meet and wherever possible exceed deadlines" |
| 23:42.18 | ojwb | CrawfordComeaux: wishing here doesn't make things happen - file a ticket on the melange tracker... |
| 23:42.23 | rajatkhanduja | after submitting the application .. what does this imply "Status: pending" |
| 23:42.27 | infinity0 | "I was never a huge fan of programming" |
| 23:42.29 | CrawfordComeaux | ojwb: will do :D |
| 23:42.30 | rajatkhanduja | when does that status change |
| 23:42.42 | ojwb | rajatkhanduja: later... |
| 23:43.01 | ojwb | rajatkhanduja: we don't know exactly currently |
| 23:45.15 | navneet | im unable to find the link |
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| 23:45.57 | CrawfordComeaux | navneet: you can't find the link to our application template? |
| 23:46.16 | CrawfordComeaux | or the link for the guide? |
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| 23:49.04 | navneet | the guide |
| 23:49.41 | CrawfordComeaux | it isn't an explicit link...it's just a URL |
| 23:49.42 | navneet | i found one to writing effective design |
| 23:49.47 | CrawfordComeaux | yep |
| 23:49.54 | CrawfordComeaux | oh the sample proposal you mean? |
| 23:49.59 | infinity0 | rajatkhanduja: it means the project is reviewing your application, it will change when they decide to accept you |
| 23:50.01 | navneet | yea... |
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| 23:50.20 | infinity0 | rajatkhanduja: in the meantime they may comment on your proposal, after which you can respond and/or edit it |
| 23:50.40 | rajatkhanduja | infinity0:what are the other values for the status attribute ..?? |
| 23:50.45 | infinity0 | i have no idea |
| 23:50.50 | infinity0 | probably just "pending" and "accepted" |
| 23:51.02 | navneet | cudn find the proposal i mean |
| 23:51.03 | rajatkhanduja | no 'rejected' ? |
| 23:51.16 | infinity0 | there might be, there is no option right now to early-reject someone though |
| 23:51.21 | infinity0 | i wish there was... |
| 23:51.23 | mailson | !timeline |
| 23:51.24 | socinfo | mailson: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 23:52.31 | CrawfordComeaux | navneet: bit.ly/fcgsoc2011sample |
| 23:52.41 | CrawfordComeaux | http://bit.ly/fcgsoc2011sample |
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| 23:58.09 | ojwb | rajatkhanduja: "withdrawn" is currently possible, if the student withdraws a proposal |
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