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| 00:00.48 | mmadia | efes -- read what socinfo said. ;) |
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| 00:26.42 | efes | mmadia: "Cryptography is a tool to provide security and _confidentiality_ ". I am asking about "confidentiality". Is this correct, or sounds weird? |
| 00:30.32 | mmadia | it sounds fine to me. |
| 00:31.09 | efes | thanks :) |
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| 00:32.35 | efes | mmadia: Project has target, or aims? |
| 00:33.10 | mmadia | as in? |
| 00:34.13 | efes | Main aim/target of this project is to implement ...... |
| 00:34.25 | mmadia | goal? |
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| 00:34.31 | efes | ok ! :] |
| 00:34.33 | efes | thanks |
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| 00:35.25 | Triskelios | remember you're writing for a technical audience |
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| 00:35.57 | efes | Triskelios: ? |
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| 00:39.37 | bkgood | any americans who were gsoc students last year done their taxes? |
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| 00:44.55 | Triskelios | efes: e.g. defining cryptography may not be necessary, but describing a particular cryptographic algorithm may be |
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| 00:45.42 | ojwb | perhaps there's some point in making clear you understand what cryptography is |
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| 00:46.32 | ojwb | but indeed you can reasonably assume that the audience understands the area the project works in |
| 00:47.19 | bkgood | the irs certainly understands cryptography :) |
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| 00:48.36 | efes | Hmm... You are right :) But the sentence above is only an example to ask about "confidentiality" :) I'm not gonna write it in my app :D |
| 00:51.13 | efes | I am describing components of PKCS#11 standard ;) |
| 00:51.36 | efes | that's why I was asking about confidentiality... gosh... what a terrible hard word :D |
| 00:53.03 | efes | but... thanks guys :) Any hints are welcome |
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| 00:54.13 | efes | bkgood: What is "irs" ? |
| 00:54.43 | bkgood | bkgood: it's the american internal revenue service, our federal tax collectors |
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| 00:55.21 | efes | haaha :D They understand it sure ;) |
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| 00:58.27 | jrabbit | !next |
| 00:58.28 | socinfo | jrabbit: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 01:30.24 | shanks | can't the ideas be discussed anymore with the mentoring organizations?? |
| 01:31.23 | scgtrp | shanks: what? you can certainly discuss things with the organizations |
| 01:32.06 | shanks | well, thanx, as per to the timeline it should end by 29th march |
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| 01:33.52 | mmadia | yes, communication is a quite important in gsoc. |
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| 01:37.59 | ojwb | shanks: up to 29th, you can *only* discuss, but that doesn't mean you have to stop after that |
| 01:38.56 | ojwb | but I'd get on with discussing things - you only have until 8th to get your proposal done |
| 01:39.14 | ojwb | it might take a day or two to get feedback |
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| 01:42.27 | shanks | @ojwb: new to using irc clients |
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| 02:04.25 | efes | bye folks:) Sleep well. |
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| 02:19.23 | karim_mansour | hello all |
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| 02:20.16 | karim_mansour | any one there? |
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| 02:21.03 | karim_mansour | ??? |
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| 02:21.38 | karim_mansour | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.00 | karim_mansour | okai :S |
| 02:22.03 | borja | !ask |
| 02:22.04 | socinfo | borja: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 02:22.57 | karim_mansour | I am new to GsoC |
| 02:23.50 | karim_mansour | Do I have only get an idea for an open source project? |
| 02:24.24 | karim_mansour | as a start |
| 02:24.25 | hypatia | karim_mansour: please read the faq |
| 02:24.30 | hypatia | !faq |
| 02:24.31 | socinfo | hypatia: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 02:24.34 | borja | You have to propose a summer project to one of the open source projects that participates in summer of code. |
| 02:24.46 | borja | but, yes, as hypatia suggests, you should probably read the faq |
| 02:25.03 | borja | and the student guide |
| 02:25.07 | borja | !studentguide |
| 02:25.08 | socinfo | borja: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 02:25.40 | karim_mansour | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 03:20.50 | Bling98 | hey, how do I remove a proposal from my dashboard if I no longer want to complete that particular proposal? |
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| 03:24.02 | wtachi | Bling98: you can't. Change the title to "DELETED - IGNORE" or similar |
| 03:24.14 | Bling98 | thank you |
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| 03:31.57 | scgtrp | ... and i'm in the wrong channel. wheee |
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| 03:35.04 | Chip_33EE | hello |
| 03:35.52 | Chip_33EE | can anybody here help me with the whole gsoc thing? |
| 03:36.20 | hypatia | !anyone |
| 03:36.21 | socinfo | hypatia: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 03:36.24 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: ^^ |
| 03:36.44 | hypatia | if you have general GSoC questions this is the place though |
| 03:37.02 | hypatia | is a bit too quick to factoid when the sleep deprivation hits |
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| 03:38.30 | Chip_33EE | yeah, I was wondering if I only want to participate in a project rather than submit an idea, how would I do that? for each mentor I only see submit proposal options |
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| 03:39.19 | wtachi | Chip_33EE: you have to submit a proposal in order to participate in GSoC |
| 03:39.29 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: do you mean you want to come up with your own idea, or just randomly write code for the project? |
| 03:39.36 | wtachi | i.e. a proposal for what you're going to do over the summer |
| 03:39.42 | Chip_33EE | I just want to do code |
| 03:39.49 | Chip_33EE | help with someone else's project |
| 03:40.07 | wtachi | you can, of course, contribute to open source projects without taking part in GSoC, but you don't get paid |
| 03:40.49 | Chip_33EE | thats the problem, I have a job at a local supermarket and it kind of sucks so I would rather get paid. But it seems to me that more people are accepted than projects. so how does that work? |
| 03:40.59 | Chip_33EE | paid coding i mean ^ |
| 03:40.59 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: you have to define a project to work on, within an existing open source project, in order to participate within gsoc |
| 03:41.34 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: it's not one student per open source organization |
| 03:41.42 | hypatia | but each student has their own sub-project |
| 03:41.48 | hypatia | so it's well-defined |
| 03:42.06 | hypatia | make sense, Chip_33EE ? |
| 03:42.12 | Chip_33EE | ahh ok, and each student submits a project to a mentor? |
| 03:42.26 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: each student submits a project proporsal to an organization |
| 03:42.34 | wtachi | (possibly more than one) |
| 03:42.44 | hypatia | they can use the existing suggestions the org provides, or come up with their own |
| 03:42.58 | hypatia | but they have to flesh it out, come up wth their own timeline, etc |
| 03:43.07 | wtachi | the organizations rank the proposals, and based on how many slots Google gives them, the top N proposals are selected |
| 03:43.08 | Chip_33EE | OK it makes sense, thanks |
| 03:43.29 | wtachi | !faq |
| 03:43.31 | socinfo | wtachi: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 03:43.34 | wtachi | !handbook |
| 03:43.39 | wtachi | !guide |
| 03:43.42 | wtachi | !studentguide |
| 03:43.43 | socinfo | wtachi: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 03:43.47 | Chip_33EE | so on the wikipedia page, the number of projects is the number of mentor organizations? |
| 03:43.48 | wtachi | Chip_33EE: read those |
| 03:43.54 | Chip_33EE | mkay thanks |
| 03:43.55 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: no |
| 03:44.06 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: well there's some terminiological confusion there |
| 03:44.13 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: organizations have projects |
| 03:44.30 | hypatia | but people often talk of "open source projects" which is what we mean when we say organization |
| 03:44.59 | hypatia | so say Amarok, that's an organization, and they have several suggested projects students can apply for, or students can apply with their own |
| 03:45.01 | Chip_33EE | ok, I guess I was just confused by terminology |
| 03:45.05 | hypatia | make a bit more sense, Chip_33EE ? |
| 03:45.13 | hypatia | it's totally confusing :/ |
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| 03:45.29 | wtachi | !stats |
| 03:45.29 | socinfo | wtachi: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 03:45.35 | wtachi | !numapps |
| 03:45.36 | socinfo | wtachi: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 03:45.46 | Chip_33EE | yeah I think I understand it now |
| 03:45.55 | svaksha | Chip_33EE: depending on your interest, you might want to search for those terms and find an org, then talk to them and choose a task, then apply via melange |
| 03:45.59 | hypatia | !orgs |
| 03:46.00 | socinfo | hypatia: "orgs" is The list of mentoring organizations is at http://goo.gl/0juf3 |
| 03:46.05 | ojwb | really it would be better to call the task the students work on something else |
| 03:46.10 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: have a look there ^^ it's all nice and tagged |
| 03:46.13 | Chip_33EE | I am also kind of new to IRC so sorry for anything I do wrong |
| 03:46.18 | hypatia | ojwb: "task" would be nice |
| 03:46.19 | ojwb | "project" is rather ingrained as meaning an open source organisation |
| 03:46.24 | wtachi | Chip_33EE: not at all |
| 03:46.24 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: you're doing great, don't stress :) |
| 03:46.39 | wtachi | many people accidentally private message others, which is a no-no |
| 03:46.48 | hypatia | or txtspeak |
| 03:46.49 | svaksha | wtachi: +100 |
| 03:47.00 | hypatia | i don't think that's usually accidental though wtachi |
| 03:47.01 | hypatia | heh |
| 03:47.08 | svaksha | heh |
| 03:47.12 | hypatia | people just don't know it's impolite |
| 03:47.19 | Chip_33EE | okay I think this makes sense |
| 03:47.27 | hypatia | Chip_33EE: yay :D |
| 03:47.29 | ojwb | hypatia: perhaps it suggests more of an imposed chore than project though |
| 03:47.31 | dberkholz | that's how it's done on pretty much every other chat network in the world |
| 03:47.33 | dberkholz | irc is just weird |
| 03:47.38 | hypatia | ojwb: true, hmm |
| 03:47.52 | svaksha | Chip_33EE: remember the timeline too :) |
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| 03:47.56 | hypatia | ojwb: assignment? |
| 03:48.23 | ojwb | hypatia: well, again... |
| 03:48.23 | hypatia | !next |
| 03:48.24 | socinfo | hypatia: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 03:48.30 | hypatia | !timeline |
| 03:48.31 | socinfo | hypatia: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 03:49.21 | hypatia | socinfo: learn next as April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 03:49.21 | socinfo | hypatia: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:50.49 | ojwb | the thesaurus suggests "adventure"! |
| 03:50.59 | hypatia | omg i love it |
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| 03:51.39 | ojwb | "exploit" and "feat" appeal a bit too |
| 03:51.50 | hypatia | :D |
| 03:51.53 | wtachi | an exploit that takes 3 months? |
| 03:52.29 | hypatia | wtachi: it must be quite the exploit, eh? |
| 03:52.30 | ojwb | or "mission" |
| 03:52.31 | hypatia | :) |
| 03:52.41 | ojwb | "you mission, should you choose to accept it" |
| 03:52.48 | hypatia | i love mission |
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| 03:52.57 | hypatia | i think openhatch uses it |
| 03:53.08 | hypatia | "job" is actually relatively accurate in this case |
| 03:53.16 | hypatia | is also looking at the thesaurus |
| 03:53.38 | hypatia | "job" might clear up some of the "can i have a job and go to school full time at the same time as GSoC" problems |
| 03:53.38 | ojwb | it's the sort of job you love to do, rather than just a source of money though |
| 03:53.41 | ojwb | or it should be |
| 03:53.54 | wtachi | ojwb: those are also called jobs |
| 03:54.05 | ojwb | or callings, vocations, etc |
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| 03:54.27 | wtachi | but then "project" is something that's completed over a summer |
| 03:54.33 | wtachi | "job" just sounds like something ongoing |
| 03:54.54 | ojwb | well, it doesn't just last for the summer in many cases |
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| 03:55.17 | hypatia | people are used to "summer jobs" as a thing, though |
| 03:55.23 | hypatia | so job can be finite |
| 03:55.36 | ojwb | yes, I can certainly see arguments for "job" |
| 03:56.24 | dberkholz | i'll stick with idea |
| 03:56.45 | hypatia | idea is good |
| 03:56.59 | hypatia | it's different from project, which is the really problematic one |
| 03:57.28 | wtachi | actually, "job" implies that it ends when money stops coming in, which goes against the spirit of GSoC |
| 03:57.33 | wtachi | you're supposed to stay involved |
| 03:57.53 | hypatia | true |
| 03:57.54 | wtachi | I think the ideal term would have to be multiple words |
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| 03:58.08 | ojwb | I feel the "idea" is what the org has on their list, and the project is where the student takes that |
| 03:58.28 | hypatia | i guess we just need to be really consistent in calling them orgs, not projects |
| 03:58.29 | hypatia | :) |
| 03:58.33 | ojwb | thesaurus.com says that "fun" is an antonym of "vocation" |
| 03:58.46 | ojwb | the rest of the world won't be though |
| 03:58.47 | hypatia | haha |
| 03:59.15 | ojwb | "endeavour" |
| 03:59.37 | ojwb | a phrase might indeed be a better answer |
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| 04:00.47 | ojwb | is comment timestamping a bit screwy? |
| 04:01.24 | ojwb | i see a comment I made which has two before it, one by 3 hours |
| 04:01.37 | ojwb | pretty sure there were no comments when I made mine |
| 04:01.55 | ojwb | i could believe the one 7 minutes before appeared while I was reading it |
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| 04:03.27 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 04:09.28 | ojwb | hi thebolt |
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| 05:13.49 | kblin | ack |
| 05:14.53 | kblin | I need to remember to write more clearly on the mentor list |
| 05:15.46 | thebolt | morning kblin |
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| 05:35.15 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 05:35.25 | kblin | how's life, how was the birthday party? |
| 05:35.49 | thebolt | it's good.. although today i need to do accounting and accounting sucks :P |
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| 05:36.27 | hypatia | learned gnucash over the weekend, and submitted a patch this weeke :D |
| 05:36.30 | hypatia | *week |
| 05:36.53 | thebolt | the bday party was great.. _so_ many people showed up at the lounge bar though that I have no idea how many :P sure, most of them were more acquaintances than close friends (but some close friends were there as well;) |
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| 05:42.48 | thebolt | kblin: how about yoursself? |
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| 06:29.17 | ojwb | hmm, is melange using the *local time* of the person adding the comment? |
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| 06:30.42 | ojwb | actually, it's not that, because the comment below is the one I responded to |
| 06:30.48 | ojwb | it is just getting the order wrong |
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| 06:34.17 | shayan | !timeline |
| 06:34.18 | socinfo | shayan: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 06:36.38 | kblin | ojwb: that was already whined about, I think |
| 06:38.40 | ojwb | i thought I'd seen mention of it, but I don't see a ticket |
| 06:38.57 | ojwb | it looks like it is ordering them by the ID |
| 06:39.12 | ojwb | so I guess that appengine doesn't allocate those in a monotonically increasing way |
| 06:41.51 | kblin | grah! |
| 06:42.05 | kblin | what's so hard about just letting a thread die! |
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| 06:43.12 | ojwb | wonders why the mentors list is so bad this year |
| 06:43.20 | kblin | if my current attempt doesn't work, somebody will have to invoke godwins's law |
| 06:43.24 | ihalip | bad? |
| 06:43.37 | kblin | people are so bitchy and whiney |
| 06:43.39 | ojwb | kblin: "someone has mentioned godwin's law, this thread is now over" |
| 06:43.52 | ojwb | and voluminous |
| 06:44.02 | hypatia | i should probably look at the mentors list |
| 06:44.05 | ojwb | it's been bad in some past years |
| 06:44.07 | hypatia | i have it set to no mail :s |
| 06:44.11 | ojwb | hypatia: no, really, no |
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| 06:44.18 | ojwb | last year was mellow though |
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| 06:46.07 | hypatia | wow bikeshed city |
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| 06:46.35 | sagi_ | hey. |
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| 06:48.21 | ojwb | i think the melange changes are a lot of the reason |
| 06:48.34 | hypatia | i really like the melange changes :) |
| 06:49.05 | hypatia | arright nite folks |
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| 06:50.31 | ojwb | hypatia: i think they're heading in the right direction, but I think it's fair to say that they aren't universally popular |
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| 07:08.37 | kblin | meh, I can't believe Pat just made me look at my top 10 high-traffic lists to check for tag vs. list-ids |
| 07:08.49 | kblin | goes to do some real coding |
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| 07:16.27 | thebolt | kblin: hehe |
| 07:16.55 | kblin | thebolt: 8:2 for no tag vs. tag, fwiw |
| 07:18.23 | thebolt | :P |
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| 07:43.52 | saksham | within the next one hour |
| 07:44.06 | saksham | 1/3 of all GSoC participants will go offline |
| 07:44.42 | saksham | the india sri-lanka WC final is starting :-[ |
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| 07:45.18 | Ophiuchi | saksham: have a good party? :) |
| 07:46.05 | saksham | :-D |
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| 07:49.10 | Mayank | not all are interested in cricket!! |
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| 07:49.19 | Mayank | i doubt if that i 1/3! |
| 07:49.31 | Mayank | if that is 1/3 * |
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| 07:50.48 | Ophiuchi | Mayank: sure, the amount of people actually interested in football/soccer in .de is also not -that- high, but a party's a party :) |
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| 08:04.53 | ojwb | kblin: ah, they've fixed the comment thing |
| 08:05.01 | ojwb | it was reported to the mentors list it seems |
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| 08:21.02 | kblin | at least one less person now is reading the mentors list, I consider this a win ;) |
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| 08:23.07 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 08:23.28 | thebolt | i am happy i never subscribed to it to my inbox, only read it on google groups from time to time |
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| 09:46.28 | ashiswin | hello |
| 09:46.38 | ashiswin | I would like to ask a question regarding eligibility |
| 09:47.07 | ashiswin | are students who are not yet in university allowed to join the GSOC? |
| 09:47.11 | eoc | !eligible |
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| 09:47.12 | socinfo | eoc: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 09:48.14 | ashiswin | oh ok |
| 09:48.22 | ashiswin | may I just ask, why is tehre an age restriction? |
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| 09:48.55 | |Kev| | I believe that's down to employment law, although I don't know. |
| 09:49.10 | eoc | you get paid for kinda self-employed work, yeah |
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| 09:49.22 | scgtrp | ashiswin: first thing in that flowchart is an age restriction |
| 09:49.33 | ashiswin | Cos, I know this guy in my school, he's younger than me, but he can code better than most 18-19 yr olds in my school |
| 09:49.41 | ashiswin | i noe scgtrp |
| 09:49.48 | ashiswin | Just wondering why its there |
| 09:49.55 | scgtrp | legal stuff, mostly |
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| 09:50.36 | scgtrp | ohh, i misread, thought you were asking whether there was one |
| 09:50.42 | scgtrp | increases his font size slightly. |
| 09:51.29 | ashiswin | XD |
| 09:51.47 | ashiswin | I just checked the legal age in singapore, and it's 13 years old to be able to work |
| 09:52.01 | ojwb | ashiswin: what matters if the US case I suspect |
| 09:52.08 | ojwb | since Google is operating under US law |
| 09:52.22 | ojwb | in singapore it's probably legal to trade with cubans |
| 09:52.36 | ashiswin | truedat ojwb |
| 09:53.01 | ojwb | also, if you put several million dollars into a scheme a year, you get to decide the rules... |
| 09:53.09 | svaksha | ojwb: heh |
| 09:54.22 | ashiswin | Just checked, legal age in the US is 15 yrs |
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| 09:56.30 | ojwb | for what though? |
| 09:56.43 | ojwb | but as I said, when you put $N million in, you can set the rules |
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| 09:56.45 | ashiswin | for employment |
| 09:57.02 | ashiswin | yea, but its kinda unfair right... |
| 09:57.08 | ashiswin | is there any way to directly contact the organizational committee to ask them? |
| 09:57.10 | svaksha | ashiswin: you may want to point your friend/guy in school to GCI 2011 (if it happens) |
| 09:57.29 | ojwb | life's unfair |
| 09:57.34 | |Kev| | ashiswin: It's not at all unfair - there are schemes for people younger than 18 as well. |
| 09:57.44 | |Kev| | And anyone who's 17 can wait until next year. |
| 09:57.46 | ojwb | any cut-off you set will have somebody falling just outside it |
| 09:57.56 | ashiswin | what's GCI? |
| 09:58.04 | schumaml | you know that some orgs simply don't allow minors to contribute at all, right? |
| 09:58.11 | ashiswin | true |
| 09:58.13 | svaksha | ashiswin: see my note on GCI |
| 09:58.17 | ojwb | if only there was a website where you could type things in and find out about them... |
| 09:58.25 | svaksha | Google Code In |
| 09:58.36 | ashiswin | XD |
| 09:58.37 | |Kev| | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google+gci |
| 09:58.37 | schumaml | because there is this thing called "parents", who might want to have a say in the use of things created by their kids |
| 09:58.56 | ashiswin | true |
| 09:59.37 | ashiswin | GCI aint the same as GSOC |
| 09:59.42 | svaksha | ashiswin: ofcourse GCI is not about the money ;) |
| 09:59.47 | ashiswin | :D |
| 09:59.53 | svaksha | GSOC isnt too :) |
| 09:59.53 | ZorePh | ashiswin, India ? |
| 09:59.57 | |Kev| | No, if GCI was the same as GSoC, it would be GSoC, not GCI. |
| 10:00.04 | ashiswin | singapore ZorePh |
| 10:00.14 | ZorePh | ah. |
| 10:00.25 | ojwb | !gci |
| 10:00.26 | socinfo | ojwb: "gci" is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See code.google.com/gci |
| 10:01.05 | ojwb | socinfo: learn gci as "gci" is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See http://code.google.com/gci |
| 10:01.05 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:01.09 | ojwb | socinfo: forget gci 1 |
| 10:01.09 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:01.36 | ojwb | waits for someone to change it to a goo.gl link |
| 10:02.08 | ashiswin | thats one cool bot :D |
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| 10:02.54 | svaksha | ashiswin: fwiw, you/or your friend is free to code (for cotton) with anyfloss org. |
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| 10:04.20 | ashiswin | ?? |
| 10:04.24 | ojwb | must ... not ... register ... anyfloss.org |
| 10:04.42 | svaksha | ojwb: ah, my bad |
| 10:05.00 | ashiswin | so sad |
| 10:05.01 | svaksha | s/anyfloss/ any floss |
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| 10:05.04 | ojwb | ashiswin: almost any opensource org will happily accept new contributors |
| 10:05.20 | ashiswin | we were gonna do a project together for GSOC |
| 10:05.26 | ashiswin | but he's 15, and i'm 16 |
| 10:05.41 | ojwb | you can't do a project together however old he i |
| 10:05.43 | ojwb | is |
| 10:05.45 | ojwb | see the faq |
| 10:05.47 | svaksha | ashiswin: you cannot do a project 'together' in gsoc even if you are 18 |
| 10:06.20 | svaksha | ashiswin: also you are missing the point of 'volunteering' here |
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| 10:06.32 | ashiswin | what's the link to the faq? |
| 10:06.38 | ojwb | !faq |
| 10:06.39 | socinfo | ojwb: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 10:06.47 | ojwb | also in /topic |
| 10:06.48 | ashiswin | thanks |
| 10:07.00 | |Kev| | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gsoc+faq |
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| 10:07.56 | ashiswin | but ReactOS got accepted in GSOC, and i'm pretty sure its not a single student's work |
| 10:08.20 | |Kev| | No, that is an OSS project. |
| 10:08.36 | |Kev| | Anyone contributing to that under GSoC must be working as an individual, not a group. |
| 10:08.37 | svaksha | ashiswin: very few org's are 'one' persons work, so what is your point? |
| 10:08.59 | ashiswin | oh, i thought they were a student participant XD |
| 10:09.00 | ashiswin | sorry |
| 10:09.04 | eoc | those that are prolly won't be accepted in SoC at all |
| 10:09.21 | ojwb | single person org == single point of failure |
| 10:09.32 | svaksha | yup, bus factor |
| 10:09.33 | ojwb | which doesn't make for a great mentoring experience |
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| 10:10.17 | ojwb | wonders what the smallest org this year is |
| 10:10.37 | ojwb | though it's kind of hard to define the size of an open source project precisely |
| 10:11.09 | ashiswin | the OSI is different from the FSF right? |
| 10:11.21 | ojwb | yes |
| 10:11.23 | |Kev| | 66.6% different. |
| 10:11.30 | svaksha | lol |
| 10:11.31 | eoc | :-) |
| 10:11.33 | ashiswin | :D |
| 10:11.42 | ashiswin | so which do u guys support |
| 10:11.56 | ojwb | |Kev|: that's probably about right in more ways than the literal one |
| 10:12.02 | |Kev| | ojwb: :) |
| 10:12.07 | ojwb | why do we always have to take sides? |
| 10:12.14 | ojwb | they both have their failings |
| 10:12.20 | ojwb | and their good sides |
| 10:12.23 | |Kev| | !polls |
| 10:12.24 | eoc | supports anyfloss.org |
| 10:12.24 | socinfo | |Kev|: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
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| 10:12.38 | ojwb | nnnnnng |
| 10:12.38 | svaksha | facepalms |
| 10:13.12 | ojwb | has so far resisted registering monksaretryingtokillme.com |
| 10:13.28 | |Kev| | ojwb: It's a wonder that you've managed. |
| 10:13.33 | ojwb | yes |
| 10:14.57 | ojwb | it was inspired by a discussion of belgian beer at the 09 mentor summit |
| 10:16.44 | ihalip | not uncommon |
| 10:17.00 | ihalip | i always feel like monks are trying to kill me, after i've had a few beers |
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| 10:18.56 | svaksha | wonders if carol is listening to ojwb |
| 10:19.21 | svaksha | ojwb: does that mean the beer quality was excellent or not? |
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| 10:21.04 | Ivanovic | behind you, a threeheaded monkey! |
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| 10:22.43 | ojwb | it wasn't belgian beer at the summit, but the beer's been pretty good there IME |
| 10:23.22 | Ivanovic | hmm, i was only at the summit '08 and IIRC i had no beer at all... |
| 10:23.37 | ojwb | well, you weren't trying then |
| 10:24.02 | Ivanovic | honestly, why should i try the beer in the US when i am german and thus know what decent beer is? |
| 10:24.20 | Ivanovic | (and know that i'll likely be disappointed by what is served in the US as "beer") |
| 10:24.21 | ojwb | there was definitely beer on the friday night in 08 |
| 10:24.30 | svaksha | Ivanovic: i was about to say 'german beer is supposed to be the best" |
| 10:24.38 | Ivanovic | ah, the friday night we had a wesnoth meeting |
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| 10:25.16 | ojwb | the mass market US stuff isn't to my taste, but you can find good beer |
| 10:25.37 | Ivanovic | and a rather short evening at that since mordante and me had to get up at 4am european time to travel to sf |
| 10:26.17 | ojwb | ulp |
| 10:27.56 | Ivanovic | so yeah, at about 8 local time we were rather tired |
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| 10:51.43 | ashiswin | how do u malloc a double pointer in C? |
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| 10:52.53 | rishi | ashiswin: (double **) malloc (sizeof (double *)) |
| 10:53.01 | rishi | ashiswin: But how is it related to GSoC? |
| 10:53.13 | ashiswin | nah, juz needed to now |
| 10:53.18 | ashiswin | coding a small game engine |
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| 10:53.38 | rishi | ashiswin: Please use proper English. |
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| 10:53.44 | rishi | just, not juz :-) |
| 10:53.48 | ashiswin | know* |
| 10:53.50 | ashiswin | just* |
| 10:53.55 | ashiswin | pardon me, my good man |
| 10:54.01 | ashiswin | :D |
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| 10:55.34 | Alexia_Death | hi, Im having an annoying issue with the site. |
| 10:56.02 | Alexia_Death | Im a secondary admin for my project and also plan to be a mentor. |
| 10:56.28 | Alexia_Death | Primary admin sent me a mentor invite but I cant accept it... |
| 10:57.39 | ojwb | Alexia_Death: you probably want to ask on #melange |
| 10:57.54 | Alexia_Death | ojwb: OK, thanks. |
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| 10:59.14 | ojwb | i successfully invited my backup admin, but that was before all this new stuff |
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| 11:06.32 | Ivanovic | Alexia_Death: uhm, are you sure that you can't automatically mentor as admin? |
| 11:06.46 | |Kev| | I thought all admins were automagically mentors. |
| 11:06.49 | Ivanovic | as primary admin i got the "i wish to mentor this project" line available for every proposal |
| 11:07.02 | Ivanovic | so i can just click this and then assign me myself |
| 11:07.09 | Ivanovic | other admins should be able to do this, too |
| 11:07.29 | Ivanovic | that is: in the dashboard i am listed as both, ment and admin for the org |
| 11:07.32 | Alexia_Death | Ivanovic: Last year I had to do both I think... |
| 11:07.39 | Ivanovic | Alexia_Death: yeah, different system |
| 11:07.45 | Ivanovic | look into your dashboard |
| 11:07.49 | Ivanovic | under "MEMBERS OF MY ORGANIZATIONS" |
| 11:08.16 | Ivanovic | check if you are marked as "mentor for" and "organization admin for" for the project |
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| 11:17.13 | Alexia_Death | Ivanovic: Right you are. now I just have a dysfunctional invite littering my inbox. |
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| 11:19.30 | Ivanovic | then, uhm, just delete it |
| 11:19.32 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 11:21.30 | ojwb | it was true earlier this year too I think |
| 11:22.04 | Nightrose | Ophiuchi: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/04/02/something-to-keep-in-mind-for-outreach/ ;-) |
| 11:24.15 | ojwb | Ivanovic: hmm, i can't seem to delete requests |
| 11:24.24 | ojwb | oh, an invite |
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| 11:24.28 | ojwb | maybe those are different |
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| 11:24.58 | kblin | which reminds me, I wanted to check if there was already a bug for removing completed requests |
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| 11:26.04 | ojwb | wonders if scores in the proposal list will reappear |
| 11:26.25 | ojwb | don't want to pester, but it's starting to become hard to keep track of proposals |
| 11:26.43 | thebolt | evening |
| 11:26.54 | Nightrose | ojwb: i've given up on it tbh at this point |
| 11:26.57 | kblin | ojwb: I wish |
| 11:27.01 | Nightrose | we have about 60 proposals |
| 11:27.10 | Nightrose | i have no idea what is new and what isn't |
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| 11:27.15 | ojwb | Sverre seemed to imply it was about to reappear |
| 11:27.18 | kblin | 5 proposals for my 2 orgs |
| 11:27.18 | Nightrose | relying on mentors atm |
| 11:27.52 | ojwb | it seems uneven this year so far |
| 11:27.56 | Nightrose | and i'll try to go through everything again in 5 days or so |
| 11:29.14 | Nightrose | kblin: how many did you get last year in total? |
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| 11:30.06 | Myth17 | Still waiting for comments on my application which I submitted on 28th. |
| 11:30.09 | Myth17 | :| |
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| 11:30.23 | |Kev| | Myth17: Not everyone will get comments on their applications. |
| 11:30.33 | kblin | hm, let me think, ~30, I guess. |
| 11:30.40 | Nightrose | Myth17: mentors don't get notified - it might be best to talk to them and ask if you have not yet |
| 11:30.53 | Myth17 | |Kev|, if we dont get a comment, what does that suggest? |
| 11:30.58 | Nightrose | kblin: ok so that matches roughly - we've had somewhere between 200 and 300 |
| 11:31.02 | |Kev| | Myth17: That no-one commented. |
| 11:31.17 | kblin | Nightrose: ok, fair enough |
| 11:31.19 | ojwb | this year, it might be that nobody has noticed it |
| 11:31.21 | Myth17 | yup, and some other subtle suggestions? :) |
| 11:31.27 | |Kev| | No, that's what it means. |
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| 11:31.29 | ojwb | the tools to track the proposals aren't great currently |
| 11:31.32 | |Kev| | And that's all it means. |
| 11:31.43 | Myth17 | hmm |
| 11:31.47 | ojwb | but some orgs don't comment |
| 11:32.01 | ojwb | and it might mean it's perfect, or that it's too poor to bother with |
| 11:32.06 | |Kev| | Good proposals, bad proposals, mediocre proposals, proposals from students you don't know, proposals from students you *do* know. |
| 11:32.12 | |Kev| | Any of those could be reasons. |
| 11:32.19 | |Kev| | Or just there were no questions to ask. |
| 11:33.22 | kblin | goes to track down a mentor |
| 11:34.05 | Myth17 | ahh |
| 11:34.21 | Nightrose | Myth17: your only way to find out is ask :) |
| 11:34.22 | ojwb | Myth17: which org? |
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| 11:34.34 | Nightrose | +to |
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| 11:34.51 | Myth17 | ojwb, Nightrose i did ask, i also got some quIck suggestions on IRC. But no official commEnts yet |
| 11:34.58 | Myth17 | I am applying for Jitsi |
| 11:34.59 | Myth17 | :) |
| 11:35.10 | Nightrose | comments on irc are good |
| 11:35.16 | Nightrose | maybe they just don't comment in melange yet |
| 11:35.24 | |Kev| | Or won't at all. |
| 11:35.27 | Nightrose | right |
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| 11:37.10 | Myth17 | i will keep exploring rather than waiting for comments to bubble up. IRC chat with my mentors did surface some issues I need to address. :) |
| 11:37.28 | ojwb | you can always chat more on IRC if there's more to ask |
| 11:38.16 | ojwb | best not to pester them, but it's reasonable to let them know when you've updated the proposal given there's no email notification currently |
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| 11:39.36 | Myth17 | I have another doubt, if a student applies for a proposal and another claimst to finish two proposals(in the same organisation) if both are good, will the students applying for 2 proposals be selected alone or both of them given a proposal(the student applying on two proposals gets the other one) |
| 11:39.50 | Myth17 | Its a bit complicated question scenario :/ |
| 11:40.22 | ojwb | it's entirely up to the org |
| 11:40.54 | Myth17 | do they already have lots=number of proposals or its different? |
| 11:40.59 | Myth17 | *slots |
| 11:41.16 | ojwb | google allocate the number of slots |
| 11:41.17 | kblin | slots are for students working on proposals |
| 11:41.18 | ojwb | !slots |
| 11:41.19 | socinfo | ojwb: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 11:41.29 | ojwb | that's probably not completely up to date though |
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| 11:50.36 | ScoutDavid | hey |
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| 11:52.56 | Myth17 | thanks ojwb that was helpfull :) |
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| 12:28.00 | xudifsd | hi, i have submitted my proposal, how do i know i have been accepted or not? |
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| 12:29.32 | eoc | !timeline |
| 12:29.34 | socinfo | eoc: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:32.05 | xudifsd | !next |
| 12:32.06 | socinfo | xudifsd: "next" is (#1) April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline., or (#2) April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:32.54 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next 1 |
| 12:32.55 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:32.58 | ojwb | sighs |
| 12:33.02 | scgtrp | um. those are the samyeah that |
| 12:33.22 | ojwb | people set new factoids and don't realise the bot is dim |
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| 12:33.31 | ojwb | or rather update existing ones |
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| 12:52.37 | kblin | hey |
| 12:52.43 | kblin | gives socinfo a cookie |
| 12:52.54 | kblin | it's not stupid, it's advanced! |
| 12:52.55 | kblin | :) |
| 12:53.03 | |Kev| | I have that t-shirt. |
| 12:54.58 | lj8175 | hi, how can i submit proposal to GSoC ? |
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| 12:55.11 | lj8175 | what is the URL? |
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| 12:55.58 | ojwb | kblin: would it be easy to change it from "The operation succeeded." to something like '"next" is now [...]'? |
| 12:56.10 | ojwb | as it is, many people test the factoid after setting it |
| 12:56.27 | ojwb | and those who don't risk leaving damage like the example above |
| 12:56.39 | kblin | ojwb: not that I'm aware of |
| 12:57.09 | kblin | it's a stock supybot, maybe you have more luck finding a good guide for it :) |
| 12:57.23 | ojwb | ah, so that's just in the standard code... |
| 12:57.33 | ojwb | will look when he gets a chance |
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| 12:57.58 | kblin | I can probably change the text, but I'm not sure if I can change it to dynamically redisplay the factoid |
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| 13:02.41 | kblin | hm, the configuration allows me to change the learn separator and the prefix |
| 13:02.48 | kblin | but that's about it |
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| 13:21.42 | infinity0 | how do i sign up as a mentor on the web page? |
| 13:21.49 | infinity0 | it's a lot less usable than the previous version :| |
| 13:22.23 | |Kev| | You should be able to click a link like 'apply to be a mentor'. |
| 13:22.33 | |Kev| | When looking at the org screen. |
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| 13:23.57 | infinity0 | |Kev|: where is the list of orgs? |
| 13:24.28 | ojwb | there's a link to "all 175 orgs" on the front page |
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| 13:25.17 | infinity0 | oh |
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| 13:26.16 | infinity0 | it's confusing that links to vital parts of the program are spread out on the front page, rather than being gathered into one consistent place like the nav bar.. |
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| 13:27.02 | infinity0 | also, i'm pretty sure that last year, 2010, it imported my details automatically from when i was a student in 2009, like my name/address |
| 13:27.11 | infinity0 | it seems i have to re-enter them this time? |
| 13:27.18 | |Kev| | It kept mine. |
| 13:27.33 | |Kev| | But I'd logged in prior to the relaunch, not sure if that makes any difference. |
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| 13:43.16 | jay_t | hey..is it psbl to edit proposal even after submitting..till april 8? |
| 13:43.31 | |Kev| | Until the deadline, yes. |
| 13:44.03 | jay_t | k..so new developments can be added even after submitting? |
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| 13:52.25 | infinity0 | jay_t: yes |
| 13:52.50 | infinity0 | for some orgs it's better to talk to them first, rather than making a proposal right before the deadline |
| 13:52.55 | infinity0 | and contribute some code/bugfixes |
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| 13:57.14 | brewster | is there a person in here that is willing to help me make a wiki? |
| 13:57.37 | brewster | i don't really know what to put on it |
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| 13:57.41 | eoc | !anyone |
| 13:57.42 | socinfo | eoc: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 13:58.44 | brewster | well my org's channel is pretty much empty because they're all away |
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| 14:00.00 | brewster | yeah |
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| 14:00.04 | brewster | nobody there |
| 14:01.01 | gevaerts | thinks that there are so many wikis in the world that anyone who wants to make a new one should have serious reasons for it and know how to do it |
| 14:01.18 | ojwb | you could put pictures of cats on it |
| 14:01.27 | ojwb | with illiterate captions |
| 14:01.33 | ojwb | that seems popular |
| 14:03.03 | eoc | must
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| 14:03.13 | brewster | sorry |
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| 16:02.25 | kblin | dammit |
| 16:02.33 | kblin | some people just don't know when to stop |
| 16:03.00 | SecretofMana | What's that? |
| 16:03.24 | |Kev| | MELANGE IS RUBBISH, EVERYONE's AN INCOMPETENT, I COULD DO BETTER IN MY SLEEP!!!!!!!1111two |
| 16:03.28 | |Kev| | It's getting quite tiresome. |
| 16:03.36 | kblin | now let's see how many people get annoyed by me mentioning hitler :D |
| 16:03.59 | gevaerts | |Kev|: don't forget to reply to *every* mail! |
| 16:04.09 | |Kev| | How could I? |
| 16:04.16 | |Kev| | I can't tell which are mails about Melange and which aren't. |
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| 16:04.40 | |Kev| | Because they don't have [Google Summer of Code List for the Hard of Using Mail Clients] in the subject. |
| 16:04.58 | kblin | I'm getting the feeling that this guy is a complete asshat |
| 16:05.08 | kblin | or a troll |
| 16:05.19 | kblin | both, probably |
| 16:05.26 | |Kev| | Me, or the mailing list guy? :D |
| 16:05.30 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 16:05.40 | thebolt | |Kev|: does one exclude the other? ;) |
| 16:05.44 | |Kev| | :'( |
| 16:05.53 | thebolt | |Kev|: or maybe you are using "or" in the boolean sense that most people don't? |
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| 16:06.06 | thebolt | (most people say "or" when they mean "xor" ;) |
| 16:06.23 | gevaerts | thebolt: actually, I'm not sure about that |
| 16:06.37 | gevaerts | They mean some weird thing |
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| 16:07.03 | thebolt | my father quite often answers "you want A or B?" questioons by a simple "yes" |
| 16:07.32 | thebolt | which is quite acceptable really, once you get over the unusualness of it |
| 16:07.34 | kblin | |Kev|: did you just send five completely useless mails to 5000+ people just to flame sverre and the rest of the melange team? |
| 16:07.47 | gevaerts | Apparently some lisp people tend to say "T" when asked if they want tea or coffee |
| 16:07.54 | |Kev| | I think that if I had, I'd have done a worse job than that guy did. |
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| 16:08.15 | thebolt | kblin: nothing showing in the archives yet (nothing after your second mail).. guess i have to wait until tomorrow ;) |
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| 16:08.46 | gevaerts | kblin: does Godwin's law work when it's invoked deliberately? |
| 16:09.07 | |Kev| | If Godwin's law is invoked and there's no-one in the forest to hear it... |
| 16:09.22 | kblin | gevaerts: no idea, it's the first time I did this :) |
| 16:09.54 | gevaerts | generally thinks that the atmosphere in #gsoc is nice and that the atmosphere on the mentor mailing list is poisonous |
| 16:09.56 | kblin | gevaerts: my upbringing taught me to avoid using nazi comparisons |
| 16:10.09 | gsoc_davidcgl | good day everyone |
| 16:10.26 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
| 16:10.33 | thebolt | kblin: "don't mentin the war" ;) |
| 16:10.36 | thebolt | mention* |
| 16:10.37 | kblin | yeah |
| 16:10.59 | gevaerts | Well, there's a reason Godwin's law often applies |
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| 16:18.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | contemplates what kind of reference to kai's german-ness would be appropriate wrt the godwin |
| 16:18.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: there's definitely an opening there |
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| 16:18.55 | |Kev| | Keeping the smeg away from that thread, I think. |
| 16:19.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: I've already asked the melange developers to not reply to him anymore |
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| 16:19.28 | |Kev| | Excellent :) |
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| 16:20.54 | omar-elmohandes | Hey .. Can anyone tell me how can I contact "Digital Mars" org. .. I can't find for them any irc channel or mailing list |
| 16:21.37 | |Kev| | The seem to be on news:// |
| 16:21.41 | |Kev| | How quaint :) |
| 16:22.07 | omar-elmohandes | yes |
| 16:22.17 | |Kev| | So that's how you contact them :) |
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| 16:22.36 | omar-elmohandes | What is that!! :D |
| 16:22.42 | |Kev| | It's taken me about 60 seconds to find a web interface and a mailing list interface. |
| 16:22.57 | |Kev| | Using the tremendous power of 'clicking their ideas page'. |
| 16:23.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: whoah, do not share this information so freely! |
| 16:23.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | |Kev|: in the wrong hands.... |
| 16:23.51 | |Kev| | In the wrong hands it can be used to troll, I know. |
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| 16:29.38 | kblin | I need a red herring |
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| 16:29.50 | |Kev| | hands kblin a trout and a paintbrush. |
| 16:30.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | hehe |
| 16:30.11 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kblin: what are you using it for? |
| 16:30.26 | kblin | from what I learned in monkey island, you can use it to feed the trolls and make them go away :) |
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| 16:30.43 | SRabbelier | is glad to be back on Pidgin |
| 16:30.46 | SRabbelier | kblin: hehe |
| 16:30.51 | SRabbelier | kblin: just ignore him |
| 16:31.18 | kblin | sure |
| 16:31.30 | kblin | that's the only reply that guy will get from me |
| 16:31.52 | SRabbelier | kblin: excellent |
| 16:32.20 | kblin | heck, I've invoked godwin's law, I can't follow up anymore :) |
| 16:33.54 | SRabbelier | kai: one can hope I suppose |
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| 16:46.27 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: is it possible to get stats from last year on proposal per day of the application period? carol pointed me to you |
| 16:46.33 | dberkholz | proposals* |
| 16:47.04 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yes |
| 16:47.07 | dberkholz | yeah, he's trolling pretty seriously. |
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| 16:47.26 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I will give it to you on the condition that you turn it into a nice plot |
| 16:47.37 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and will do so both for the data I give you now and that at the end of the application period ;) |
| 16:47.39 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: how's that |
| 16:47.39 | |Kev| | Is he still posting? I've not seen anything since Godwin Kaid the thread. |
| 16:47.45 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: absolutely, that's my master plan. for eventual incorporation into the admin/mentor guide |
| 16:47.46 | gevaerts | doesn't really understand the point of trolling on a mailing list run by people who want to give you money |
| 16:47.59 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: he doesn't care |
| 16:48.05 | dberkholz | gevaerts: to see what you can do about minimizing your slot count and not being accepted next year? |
| 16:48.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I suggest he's well on his way :) |
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| 16:48.20 | SRabbelier | s/suggest/suspect |
| 16:48.25 | |Kev| | Lack of ability to cope with frustration, I think. |
| 16:48.32 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ideally, the statistics module would provide this |
| 16:48.36 | dberkholz | some of it is just patently absurd, too. not just one perspective vs another |
| 16:48.41 | gevaerts | And then complain next year about the unfairness of the organisation selection? Hmm... |
| 16:48.43 | |Kev| | And inability to separate 'something frustrating happened' and 'THE WORLD IS FULL OF MORONS'. |
| 16:48.46 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: exactly |
| 16:48.50 | kblin | SRabbelier: dberkholz is dealing with biologists in his $dayjob, he knows how to make pretty pictures :) |
| 16:49.07 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ask and thou shalt receiveth, then |
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| 16:49.34 | kblin | |Kev|: nah, he's a GNU HURD hacker. if anybody should be able to deal with frustration, these guys should |
| 16:49.37 | kblin | ;) |
| 16:49.46 | |Kev| | Haha. |
| 16:49.46 | SRabbelier | kblin: nono, their way of dealing with it is redirecting it to others |
| 16:49.50 | SRabbelier | kblin: who then redirect it again |
| 16:49.58 | SRabbelier | kblin: it's like a circle jerk |
| 16:50.04 | kblin | haha |
| 16:50.05 | SRabbelier | hmm, probably shouldn't have said that :P |
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| 16:50.24 | kblin | watch it, or someone'll have to kick... |
| 16:50.28 | kblin | durn, SRabbelier beat me to it |
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| 16:50.34 | SRabbelier | should've seen that one coming |
| 16:50.36 | |Kev| | Although I can't speak about orgs being annoying on mailing lists after someone decided to spam the lists after I let her come under our umbrella. About which I'm *still* mad. |
| 16:50.40 | SRabbelier | SRabbelier: sorry about that |
| 16:51.01 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: about letting who come under your umbrella? |
| 16:51.21 | |Kev| | One Social Web begged to come under the XSF's umbrella after the got turned down. |
| 16:51.33 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 16:51.35 | kblin | |Kev|: it's so hard getting good umbrellees these days, I'm glad mine's doing great |
| 16:51.53 | |Kev| | So I said "Well, if you have XMPP ideas you can put them up as long as we can find some way of verifying you're competent to mentor". |
| 16:52.00 | |Kev| | Next thing she's spamming gsoc-discuss. |
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| 16:53.07 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: revoke his status? |
| 16:53.14 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: "It's like a cyclical set of recursive acronyms" is what you meant I think? :) |
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| 16:53.36 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: lol, indee |
| 16:53.37 | SRabbelier | d |
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| 16:54.18 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Well, considering she *also* put her ideas at the top of the wiki page, instead of appending them as everyone else has done, just provided a link to their own ideas page instead of putting them inline, *and* doesn't have any projects that fall under the XMPP-suitable rules I set for them... |
| 16:54.42 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: /kickban methink |
| 16:54.59 | Nightrose | |Kev|: wow fail :/ |
| 16:55.23 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: if you want to send me this year's numbers so far, i could put them on the same plot to show that it's either the same or different vs last year |
| 16:55.44 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: no no, I will send you the timestamps of when the students applied ;) |
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| 16:55.59 | SRabbelier | ditto for last-edited |
| 16:57.04 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: what were you thinking that last-edited might show? |
| 16:57.23 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's the timestamp of when the student last changed their proposal |
| 16:57.54 | dberkholz | right, i'm just not exactly sure what questions we could ask with that information |
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| 16:58.43 | kblin | how long people kept fiddling with their proposals? |
| 16:58.48 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: last minute edits vs. proposals that are done soon? |
| 16:58.52 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: what kblin said |
| 16:59.21 | dberkholz | sure, i could see that. whether applying early appears to result in more updates to a proposal |
| 17:00.14 | dberkholz | which provides some insight into whether it's worth doing |
| 17:01.28 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: to do that I reckon you'd want to link last-modified to creation date? |
| 17:01.42 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I can do that, provide you a (created-on, modified-on) tuple |
| 17:01.47 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: (where with tuple I mean csv) |
| 17:02.20 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: really you want all modification dates (including creation) with a unique student id of some sort, not just first and last |
| 17:02.34 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: sadly we don't have those :) |
| 17:02.43 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's easy to store last-modified |
| 17:02.52 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: appengine has a shortcut for that kind of property |
| 17:02.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ditto for created-on |
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| 17:03.11 | dberkholz | ok, we can still probably get something out of it but not as much |
| 17:03.17 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 17:03.18 | dberkholz | might be worthwhile to start storing a modification count |
| 17:03.32 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we want to store revision history eventually |
| 17:03.35 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: there just wasn't time this year |
| 17:04.13 | gevaerts | remembers complaining about that a few years ago :) |
| 17:05.02 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it was almost done too, for the old ui :P |
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| 17:08.53 | dberkholz | might be able to make a guess at similar things by looking at time from last mod to the deadline |
| 17:09.11 | dberkholz | but that doesn't provide for the possibility of more frequent iteration within the same timespan for early apps vs late apps |
| 17:09.20 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 17:09.44 | dberkholz | which i suspect is the case, at least for large projects, because we have more for each app earlier on |
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| 17:28.03 | wtachi | dberkholz, SRabbelier: will you correlate it with which proposals were accepted? |
| 17:28.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I can give you a bool along with it for the accepted ones |
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| 17:49.17 | dberkholz | sounds usefull |
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| 17:54.20 | scgtrp | !timeline |
| 17:54.22 | socinfo | scgtrp: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 17:59.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: can you mail me asking that? |
| 17:59.07 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I'm pretty far into notifications atm |
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| 18:12.07 | saksham | India won the world cup !!! :) |
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| 18:12.29 | gsathya | is still screaming |
| 18:12.32 | |Kev| | The GSoC world cup? |
| 18:12.33 | saksham | congratulations india is trending on twitter |
| 18:12.43 | saksham | haha the cricket world cup |
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| 18:13.26 | saksham | please don't say you don't know what cricket is. It'll hurt my feelings |
| 18:13.35 | |Kev| | I know, I just don't particularly care. |
| 18:13.39 | gevaerts | Of course we know. It's an insect! |
| 18:13.56 | |Kev| | gevaerts: A whole world of them in a cup, apparently. |
| 18:14.22 | gsathya | gevaerts: :O |
| 18:14.29 | gevaerts | |Kev|: a storm in a cricket cup? |
| 18:15.05 | |Kev| | Heh. |
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| 18:36.33 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: aw man? not another email? |
| 18:37.07 | eoc | hehe I also just checked because of the "aw" |
| 18:37.14 | eoc | want me to compose one? |
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| 18:45.28 | joaoprudencio | how do I put multiple tags when searching for an organization? For example, how do I search for c++ and java |
| 18:47.16 | gevaerts | Some clever regular expressions should be able to do that |
| 18:48.02 | gevaerts | Either that or use the csv export I guess |
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| 19:00.30 | MatthewWilkes | Urgh, why the hell did I read the mailing lists again? |
| 19:01.15 | gevaerts | To get a sense of proportion :) |
| 19:02.48 | MatthewWilkes | I certainly didn't realise that cocks could be so massive |
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| 19:04.28 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: my hero |
| 19:05.24 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: also, I hope you're talking about the feathred kind |
| 19:05.34 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: otherwise I'd have to /kick you for profanity you see |
| 19:06.04 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: I hope you realise that SRabbelier is serious about that last bit |
| 19:06.17 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: tell him |
| 19:06.32 | gevaerts | may or may not have used "bit" in the naughty sense :) |
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| 19:06.42 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 19:08.28 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Feathered, yes |
| 19:08.40 | MatthewWilkes | whistles innocently |
| 19:08.48 | SRabbelier | chuckles more |
| 19:09.06 | MatthewWilkes | Hey, I'm not +o, I don't have to be on best behaviour, just good behaviour |
| 19:09.13 | MatthewWilkes | It was such a sad day when I got that on #plone |
| 19:09.21 | MatthewWilkes | Can't mess around anymore |
| 19:09.39 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: that's the advantage of channels where the +o isn't carried around visibly all the time :) |
| 19:10.01 | MatthewWilkes | yeah |
| 19:10.12 | SRabbelier | contemplates giving MatthewWilkes auto-op just to nag him |
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| 19:10.22 | MatthewWilkes | no no no :( |
| 19:10.32 | VeXocide | hey guys, is there a t-shirt sizing chart available? |
| 19:11.11 | SRabbelier | just successfully remote-chocked MatthewWilkes |
| 19:11.18 | SRabbelier | didn't know that worked in non-BitTorrent protocols |
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| 19:11.34 | MatthewWilkes | VeXocide: http://americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=mu.shirts |
| 19:11.54 | VeXocide | MatthewWilkes, brilliant, thanks |
| 19:11.57 | MatthewWilkes | !learn size as http://americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=mu.shirts |
| 19:11.57 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:11.59 | MatthewWilkes | !learn amifat as http://americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=mu.shirts |
| 19:12.00 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:12.00 | SRabbelier | VeXocide: probably also a specific one for GSoC will be published when we know who the shipper is |
| 19:12.06 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol |
| 19:13.28 | VeXocide | fair enough, I'll go with an educated guess for now :) |
| 19:14.00 | MatthewWilkes | I think they've been american apparel the last few years |
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| 19:14.37 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 19:14.45 | gevaerts | Oooh! Yet another sign of the GSoC pro-US bias! |
| 19:14.57 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 19:15.12 | VeXocide | mumbles something about SI units |
| 19:15.16 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: quick, someone flamebait the ML about it! |
| 19:15.28 | SRabbelier | VeXocide: excellent idea, is there one for t-shirts? |
| 19:15.37 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I'm surprised they haven't thought of that on their own :) |
| 19:16.00 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I'm sure you can figure out the right people to tip off |
| 19:16.01 | schumaml | VeXocide: maybe help the Canadians (metric) with their invasion plans? |
| 19:16.03 | SRabbelier | tip of? |
| 19:16.05 | MatthewWilkes | :( I'm a medium now |
| 19:16.09 | MatthewWilkes | stupid weight loss |
| 19:16.19 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we feel for you |
| 19:16.23 | SRabbelier | (not really) |
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| 19:16.51 | VeXocide | SRabbelier, doubt there's an official unit for fatness ;) |
| 19:16.54 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: oh, *that* sort of medium... |
| 19:17.06 | MatthewWilkes | hah |
| 19:17.16 | MatthewWilkes | in 5 weks |
| 19:17.18 | MatthewWilkes | dammit |
| 19:17.35 | SRabbelier | VeXocide: time to make one |
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| 19:18.10 | MatthewWilkes | in 5 weeks I lost 35lb / 16 kg |
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| 19:19.17 | VeXocide | if I did that up I'd disappear in a good 20 weeks :+ |
| 19:19.23 | VeXocide | -up |
| 19:20.51 | gevaerts | That's at about the time of the firm pencils down date |
| 19:21.00 | gevaerts | Shouldn't be too much of a problem then :) |
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| 19:21.20 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: you keep this channel going ;) |
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| 19:23.29 | VeXocide | grins |
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| 19:34.16 | SRabbelier | prepares to break google-melange.com |
| 19:35.04 | Ophiuchi | poor little heap of software and data |
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| 19:35.34 | gevaerts | distributes glue |
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| 19:35.44 | kblin | SRabbelier: to show people how much better off we are with than without it? |
| 19:36.00 | kblin | SRabbelier: while at it, can you break the mailing list as well? |
| 19:36.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: hehehe, most wouldn't notice that I reckon |
| 19:36.17 | SRabbelier | kblin: most of Melange's help is for the Carols |
| 19:36.38 | SRabbelier | but, no, changing the data model a bit |
| 19:36.51 | SRabbelier | so going to convert all existing profile data |
| 19:36.56 | kblin | you could wait unti 5 minutes before |
| 19:36.58 | kblin | !next |
| 19:36.59 | socinfo | kblin: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 19:37.02 | kblin | >:) |
| 19:37.04 | SRabbelier | kblin: mhhh, tempting |
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| 19:37.16 | SRabbelier | but no, I need it for notifications |
| 19:37.19 | SRabbelier | oh! |
| 19:37.22 | SRabbelier | while I'm at it |
| 19:37.24 | kblin | then at least you'd fulfill the user expectations |
| 19:37.26 | SRabbelier | I should do another conversion |
| 19:37.32 | SRabbelier | kblin: true |
| 19:38.52 | Ophiuchi | I have a few minor nits with it that I ought to log occasionally |
| 19:39.22 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: what's that? |
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| 19:39.56 | ordex | is the blog mandatory? |
| 19:40.10 | SRabbelier | ordex: does it have a little starry thingy? |
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| 19:40.19 | ordex | SRabbelier: ? |
| 19:40.46 | SRabbelier | ordex: a star next to the field name indicates that the field is required |
| 19:40.47 | Ophiuchi | SRabbelier: of the order of "images in the project description don't show alt text" and stuff. Really minor |
| 19:41.12 | ordex | SRabbelier: aaah |
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| 19:41.32 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: totally fixed that one in like, 30s after submission! :) |
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| 19:44.02 | ordex | SRabbelier: I man the blog in which you write your work progress |
| 19:44.05 | ordex | *mean |
| 19:44.28 | SRabbelier | ordex: 0.O |
| 19:44.32 | ordex | 0.0 |
| 19:44.37 | SRabbelier | ordex: you lost me |
| 19:44.47 | gevaerts | ordex: where did you see SRabbelier last? |
| 19:44.58 | ordex | somewehere in the guidelines I read that each student, should provide a blog in which he will track his activity and proress with the project |
| 19:45.01 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 19:45.04 | ordex | lol |
| 19:45.15 | SRabbelier | ordex: link? |
| 19:45.29 | ordex | SRabbelier: can't remember, I'm drinking my nth beer |
| 19:45.30 | ordex | :p |
| 19:45.48 | SRabbelier | ordex: I was about to ask "I think you're hallucinating", but didn't. Totally should have. |
| 19:45.55 | SRabbelier | s/ask/say/ |
| 19:45.57 | ordex | :D |
| 19:46.19 | ordex | then no blog is needed |
| 19:46.20 | ordex | ok :D |
| 19:46.21 | gevaerts | ordex: organisations vary in how they want to get progress reports |
| 19:46.42 | ordex | yes sure |
| 19:46.49 | ordex | but I thought google wanted me to write a blog |
| 19:46.59 | ordex | so this is not true |
| 19:47.01 | SRabbelier | ordex: no such requirement from the googlez |
| 19:47.05 | ordex | oky ;) |
| 19:48.43 | kblin | ordex: this might have been in your org's guidelines |
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| 19:49.14 | kblin | we require daily scrum-style reports this year, but used to require weekly reports last year |
| 19:49.25 | SRabbelier | so did your melanges breka yet? |
| 19:49.33 | SRabbelier | **break |
| 19:49.55 | kblin | man, this is all wrong |
| 19:50.08 | kblin | another application, and not for my project either |
| 19:50.10 | kblin | ;) |
| 19:51.34 | MatthewWilkes | still none in plone |
| 19:51.36 | MatthewWilkes | hurry uppp |
| 19:52.45 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you've totally been featured on the homepage at least once now |
| 19:52.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no complaining |
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| 19:53.23 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: but it was 4AM in the timezone of the person who was interested! |
| 19:53.28 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I insist you make google-melange.com/ redirect to our ideas list with a 1/5 probability |
| 19:53.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: the 1 person |
| 19:53.37 | gevaerts | :) |
| 19:53.46 | SRabbelier | contemplates sniffing MatthewWilkes's username and doing just that |
| 19:53.47 | AlexP | I've never seen our org logo on the homepage, thus I can only assume that it hasn't been shown on purpose, ergo, I demand all sorts of stuff, blah etc. :) |
| 19:53.50 | SRabbelier | shouldn't be too hard |
| 19:54.12 | SRabbelier | AlexP: are you sure you don't want to add anything about Google being racist to that statement? |
| 19:54.32 | AlexP | SRabbelier: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Sexist and homophobic too |
| 19:54.36 | SRabbelier | awr, the Sakai logo is cute |
| 19:54.40 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 19:55.02 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Does it not go alphabetically anymore? |
| 19:55.02 | SRabbelier | and the fact that Liquid Galaxy is participating is totally nepotism |
| 19:55.27 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: probably not, we didn't tell AppEngine to sort, so it's probably going with "who the fuck cares" sort mode |
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| 19:55.44 | AlexP | well yeah, we all know that there a certain untouchable orgs :P |
| 19:55.51 | SRabbelier | AlexP: lol :P |
| 19:56.04 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, melange got in, what a shock ;) |
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| 19:56.13 | gevaerts | Yes, and this OSPO thing! |
| 19:56.18 | AlexP | *there are |
| 19:56.20 | gevaerts | It's a disgrace! |
| 19:56.43 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Git too! What with sop and Junio working for Google |
| 19:56.54 | SRabbelier | oh, and Mercurial |
| 19:56.57 | SRabbelier | since Augie works there |
| 19:56.58 | Ophiuchi | I have a complaint with the logo rotation. It totally invites people to click on cute logos to find out what the org does ;-P |
| 19:57.08 | AlexP | Ophiuchi: That is true actually :) |
| 19:57.09 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 19:57.10 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: yes! |
| 19:57.20 | AlexP | I just clicked on Sakai to find out what it was :) |
| 19:57.21 | SRabbelier | totally did that too |
| 19:58.11 | gevaerts | This will overload melange :) |
| 19:58.22 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 19:58.39 | AlexP | gevaerts: Good job we haven't got an inviting logo :) |
| 19:58.40 | SRabbelier | so far we're taking like 5QPS |
| 19:58.42 | SRabbelier | no biggie :) |
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| 19:58.52 | gevaerts | AlexP: we don't? |
| 19:59.13 | AlexP | gevaerts: Don't you remember we submitted the one that just says "get lost"? |
| 19:59.22 | gevaerts | only works on rockbox because he happened to like the logo |
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| 19:59.53 | gevaerts | AlexP: oh, right! But the text is tiny! |
| 20:00.01 | AlexP | yeah, saving grace that |
| 20:00.21 | SRabbelier | AlexP: just looks like some scribbling |
| 20:00.33 | SRabbelier | AlexP: everybody thinks you're an open source scribblling api framework org thing |
| 20:00.34 | AlexP | It's subliminal |
| 20:00.47 | AlexP | If you look at the logo backwards it plays a beatles song |
| 20:01.02 | SRabbelier | SGTM |
| 20:01.50 | AlexP | In all seriousness, SGTM? I'm assuming it is not the Société Générale de Transport Maritimes :) |
| 20:01.58 | Ophiuchi | well, that would be appropriate for rockbox, wouldn't it? :-P |
| 20:02.09 | AlexP | Ophiuchi: heh, indeed :) |
| 20:02.24 | MatthewWilkes | Plone's logo is the international symbol used for marking things that provide accessibility for blind people |
| 20:02.33 | AlexP | ah, sounds good to me |
| 20:02.37 | AlexP | google to the rescue! |
| 20:02.43 | gevaerts | Ophiuchi: one of this year's projects might be to play a beatles song when you press play :) |
| 20:02.45 | MatthewWilkes | which is ironic, as sighted people wouldn't know what it is, and blind people can't |
| 20:03.06 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Or refuse to start up if the beatles aren't in the library? |
| 20:03.15 | SRabbelier | AlexP: indeed |
| 20:03.23 | AlexP | gevaerts: I might be missing something, but I assume we can already do that? If not, it seems a bit of a drawback for mp3 player firmware |
| 20:03.29 | gevaerts | People have long complained about our arcane UI. Having to look at the logo backwards is one of the more common complaints |
| 20:03.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: why is there a logo for that anyway? |
| 20:04.00 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: hey, I still want my players to work! |
| 20:04.17 | Ophiuchi | I had a blind co-worker for a while .. it's amazing how very little well-placed things can help a lot, and how big efforts can be totally lost because of a tiny ommission |
| 20:04.26 | AlexP | MatthewWilkes: The Beatles are a few hundred years too modern for gevaerts :) |
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| 20:04.32 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Dunno, but maybe you have it in nl too? |
| 20:04.41 | Ophiuchi | accessibility is quite a hackish topic |
| 20:04.55 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, it's amazing how crap some screen readers can be |
| 20:04.57 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: never _seen_ it anywhere ;) |
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| 20:05.09 | MatthewWilkes | using ARIA actually breaks them, or at least it did a year or two back |
| 20:05.17 | SRabbelier | gg there |
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| 20:06.15 | gevaerts | AlexP: to be fair, I managed to get back to the 21st century earlier today! |
| 20:06.32 | AlexP | oooh :) |
| 20:06.50 | gevaerts | I mean when I thought this year was 2001 |
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| 20:07.01 | AlexP | ah yes, true |
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| 20:10.13 | MatthewWilkes | someone want to reheat my burger for me? |
| 20:10.14 | MatthewWilkes | kthx |
| 20:10.38 | dberkholz | sakai does have a pretty intriguing logo, i can see why you clicked on it. |
| 20:10.50 | gevaerts | directs a death ray in the general direction of MatthewWilkes' burger |
| 20:11.31 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I know the perfect logo |
| 20:11.36 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: a red button, with "DO NOT CLICK" |
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| 20:13.30 | Ophiuchi | SRabbelier: heh :) |
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| 20:14.33 | Ophiuchi | in other news: it's quite relaxing to hang out here, people don't try to get me to fix stuff, but SRabbelier :-P |
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| 20:14.47 | SRabbelier | :( |
| 20:15.17 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: My NetBSD is broken. It keeps BSODing |
| 20:15.20 | Ophiuchi | SRabbelier: poor default victim. You'll escape in autumn :) |
| 20:15.28 | MatthewWilkes | tries to think of believable complaints |
| 20:15.52 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 20:16.03 | MatthewWilkes | yes, but when I did that it bit my dog! |
| 20:16.08 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: truth |
| 20:16.10 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: move the mouse and the screen saver should go away ;-P |
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| 20:27.17 | Chidera | Hello there! |
| 20:28.05 | Chidera | I am Chidera Mosanya, an Electronic Engineering student of University of Nigeria Nsukka in Nigeria |
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| 20:28.14 | marekweb | hi |
| 20:31.08 | AlexP | and bye :) |
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| 20:35.46 | Chidera | I saw the google summer of code and applied. And I really wanna work with the Java Pathfinder team as my mentoring organization But I need to hear from them as whether they accept Africans, among other things. |
| 20:36.33 | SRabbelier | Chidera: why wouldn't they? |
| 20:37.00 | AlexP | Nationality is irrelevant |
| 20:37.18 | jrabbit | As long as you're not in an ebargo'd state |
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| 20:37.20 | AlexP | As long as you are eligible, then apply away |
| 20:37.50 | Chidera | Ok. but what if I win, as in I become taken by them, will I work here in Africa? |
| 20:37.57 | AlexP | of course |
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| 20:38.39 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 20:38.40 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 20:38.44 | Chidera | And when I am done, I send the project to them as bytecodes right? |
| 20:38.45 | SRabbelier | Chidera: you have some reading to do ^ |
| 20:39.08 | SRabbelier | Chidera: no, it's open source, you send them the code, and you send it much more regularly then "at the end of the project" |
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| 20:40.02 | Chidera | Rabbelier: Do you have any material or website or blog to refer me to? I really need to do some reading. |
| 20:40.39 | AlexP | Chidera: See the link above |
| 20:41.07 | AlexP | Chidera: Also, if you use people's actual nick, then they will be highlighted. Type the first few letters then press tab to autocomplete it |
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| 20:42.07 | Chidera | Alex, what do u mean by people's actual nick? |
| 20:42.40 | AlexP | Chidera: Alex doesn't highlight me, AlexP does |
| 20:42.40 | Chidera | And please can someone resend the link? |
| 20:42.40 | Chidera | Mine seems to be broken |
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| 20:42.54 | AlexP | You need to use the full name |
| 20:42.58 | AlexP | and http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 20:43.44 | Chidera | AlexP Thanks alot. |
| 20:43.48 | AlexP | no problem |
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| 20:46.54 | Chidera | AlexP which country are you in? |
| 20:47.04 | AlexP | Currently France |
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| 20:49.40 | Chidera | Are u in a computing school? |
| 20:49.53 | AlexP | No |
| 20:50.07 | AlexP | I'm a few years past university :) |
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| 20:52.17 | Chidera | Right! |
| 20:53.06 | Chidera | Are you a PG student or are you working? |
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| 20:53.40 | AlexP | I'm a few years past postgrad too :) |
| 20:53.52 | Chidera | Wow!! |
| 20:54.09 | Chidera | Are you working? |
| 20:54.10 | AlexP | I do work at a university though |
| 20:54.22 | AlexP | Yeah, I'm an atmospheric chemist |
| 20:54.31 | Chidera | Right!!! |
| 20:54.45 | Chidera | But you love programming |
| 20:55.01 | AlexP | I don't do much of that tbh |
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| 20:55.38 | AlexP | For my org I do mainly release management, documentation and support |
| 20:56.02 | AlexP | I do have to do some "programming" in my research, but as it is in Labview it doesn't really count :) |
| 20:56.15 | Chidera | Yeah! |
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| 20:57.00 | Chidera | Please I have a question for you? |
| 20:57.08 | AlexP | sure |
| 20:57.22 | Chidera | How do I let JavaPathfinder team know that I am interested in them being my mentor? |
| 20:57.36 | AlexP | absolutely |
| 20:58.01 | Chidera | How do I do it? |
| 20:58.05 | AlexP | Definitely get in touch with them, get to know them, discuss projects etc. |
| 20:58.20 | AlexP | Have a look at their org profile, they have probably listed how to communicate with them |
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| 20:58.29 | AlexP | If not, check out their website |
| 20:59.31 | Chidera | Right will do that right away. Please still stay online incase I run into any difficulties, please |
| 21:00.45 | AlexP | Someone is generally around, but having a look at the documentation so that you don't ask questions that have already been answered is always appreciated |
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| 21:08.28 | merty | hi |
| 21:08.57 | merty | anyone else experiencing connectivity issues to google-melange.com? |
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| 21:23.37 | LetterRip | seems like I've put almost 10 times the effort into promoting GSoC this year, but feels like only half the student proposals of last year |
| 21:23.41 | LetterRip | or less |
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| 21:24.39 | LetterRip | only a bit less than 6 days to go |
| 21:31.50 | cognificent | I only heard (was reminded of) gsoc 2 days ago, from a post on reddit. |
| 21:31.53 | bugQ | LetterRip: I'm still working on my first but I plan to get at least 3 in |
| 21:32.12 | LetterRip | you submitting for Blender or someone else? :) |
| 21:32.19 | LetterRip | either way - cool :) |
| 21:32.21 | bugQ | hedgewars, blender is next |
| 21:32.26 | LetterRip | ah |
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| 21:32.44 | iamaregee | even I am working on my applications.. |
| 21:32.59 | bugQ | their proposal template is just sooo huuuge. |
| 21:33.09 | bugQ | I've written 5 pages so far |
| 21:33.10 | iamaregee | i plan to apply for sum odd 3 orgs...in couple of days |
| 21:33.11 | LetterRip | heh |
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| 21:36.56 | cognificent | I don't have a huge skillset, and it's kind of intimidating searching through all the hard projects for something I can do :/ |
| 21:37.50 | LetterRip | cognificent - see our ideas page - we have a ton of smaller projects that one could pick to do |
| 21:38.07 | LetterRip | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GoogleSummerOfCode/2011/Ideas |
| 21:39.29 | MatthewWilkes | bugQ: 3 odd meaning 3ish or 3 weird? :P |
| 21:39.59 | bugQ | MatthewWilkes: you mean to speak to iamaregee |
| 21:40.23 | MatthewWilkes | dammit, I do |
| 21:41.07 | iamaregee | 3ish actually.. |
| 21:41.14 | bugQ | and I think it should be "aught", not "odd" |
| 21:41.17 | bugQ | some-aught |
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| 21:41.50 | MatthewWilkes | aught? |
| 21:41.59 | iamaregee | today i am lil influence of alcohol ... as INDIAN team won the worldcup... |
| 21:42.01 | iamaregee | :) |
| 21:42.06 | cognificent | LetterRip: your ideas page has more jargon I don't understand than most... I'm sure I could pick it up, but it makes it hard to grok what the projects actually entail without being familiar with blender/3d |
| 21:42.49 | MatthewWilkes | iamaregee: At least you got to watch it - I can't get it on TV and can't listen to the radio at work |
| 21:42.55 | bugQ | MatthewWilkes: outdated word for zero |
| 21:43.02 | iamaregee | hmm.. |
| 21:43.03 | bugQ | or nothing |
| 21:43.08 | MatthewWilkes | bugQ: but three-zero makes no sense, does it? |
| 21:43.23 | MatthewWilkes | I've heard in it things like "nineteen-aught-three" |
| 21:43.36 | bugQ | some-aught is like umpteen |
| 21:43.43 | MatthewWilkes | ah, interesting |
| 21:43.46 | iamaregee | our tv room was jampacked with some 200plus students... |
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| 21:44.25 | LetterRip | cognificent - jargon such as? |
| 21:44.26 | MatthewWilkes | iamaregee: Where are you? Pakistan? |
| 21:44.33 | iamaregee | India.. |
| 21:44.38 | iamaregee | delhi. |
| 21:44.40 | iamaregee | :) |
| 21:44.40 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
| 21:44.45 | MatthewWilkes | I thought it was a bad thing idea won for you :P |
| 21:44.46 | LetterRip | cognificent: it is mostly directed at folks with some idea of 3d |
| 21:44.49 | aseem | Indian team did it after 28 years :D |
| 21:44.51 | MatthewWilkes | misread |
| 21:45.02 | LetterRip | but also i thought i'd explained stuff reasonably well for most items |
| 21:45.02 | iamaregee | ah yeah.. |
| 21:45.07 | LetterRip | but perhaps not :) |
| 21:45.24 | laserbled | adding the required skill set might help |
| 21:45.59 | AlexP | bugQ: 3 odd means about 3 - 3 aught doesn't mean anything to me |
| 21:46.13 | MatthewWilkes | iamaregee: Then congrats. I wish I'd got to see some, last thing I watched was the ashes |
| 21:46.38 | iamaregee | thanks |
| 21:46.43 | cognificent | LetterRip: stuff like mesh and polygon I get, but I don't know what loops are, saw that a couple places, but maybe you're just not looking for me, heh :/ |
| 21:46.58 | cognificent | loops in that context |
| 21:46.59 | cognificent | haha |
| 21:47.06 | bugQ | AlexP: guess it was mixed figures of speech then :D |
| 21:47.22 | iamaregee | LetterRip: most of the projects which blender is offering i guess deals with graphics programing right ?? |
| 21:47.26 | AlexP | probably :) |
| 21:47.29 | LetterRip | aught means zerocognificent - a loop is a sequence of edges that connect forming a loop |
| 21:47.33 | aseem | MatthewWilkes, you can always watch the highlights :P |
| 21:48.10 | LetterRip | iamaregee - yeppers 3d related in some way; we have matchmoving/video/compositing/modeling/texturing/painting |
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| 21:48.29 | LetterRip | blender does anything related to video/movies and 3d |
| 21:48.32 | LetterRip | basically |
| 21:48.32 | cognificent | LetterRip: that makes perfect sense, I guess just being rushed for time is making me not get as familiar with projects as I should |
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| 21:48.45 | MatthewWilkes | aseem: True, but there's nothing like sitting in the pub for days on end watching it in real time |
| 21:48.58 | MatthewWilkes | The excitement goes in the highlights |
| 21:49.07 | LetterRip | cognificent: no problem :) for that project you probably want to have some basic experience with a 3d environment |
| 21:49.26 | aseem | MatthewWilkes, True that, It was a good game :) |
| 21:49.39 | rafi | #obf-soc |
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| 21:58.55 | LetterRip | cognificent: i'm pretty sure there are example videos with the loops stuff |
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| 22:00.03 | Mayank | LetterRip: I just left a message for you on #blendercoders |
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| 22:01.02 | LetterRip | Mayank: responding :) |
| 22:01.27 | cognificent | LetterRip: I'll take a look. |
| 22:02.28 | LetterRip | cognificent: http://www.subdivisionmodeling.com/uploads/images2006/bunk_poly_regions.jpg |
| 22:02.51 | cognificent | LetterRip: nohotlink.jpg? :P |
| 22:02.55 | cognificent | hehe |
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| 22:04.33 | LetterRip | so that image shows various face loops, and edge loop runs on the inside or outside of a face loop |
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| 22:05.03 | bugQ | eyebrowse |
| 22:05.40 | LetterRip | heheh |
| 22:05.42 | bugQ | sounds like lame library catalog software |
| 22:05.46 | LetterRip | never noticed that before |
| 22:06.15 | bugQ | cheeckbone too |
| 22:06.41 | bugQ | forhead... |
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| 22:07.06 | bugQ | almost bad enough that I'd say it was intentional |
| 22:07.21 | bugQ | but it's in comic sans |
| 22:07.24 | LetterRip | heh |
| 22:07.50 | LetterRip | artists are not know for their speling :) |
| 22:07.55 | aseem | Did anyone see Google's April Fool's day tricks ? :D |
| 22:08.01 | cognificent | haha |
| 22:08.03 | cognificent | yeah |
| 22:08.25 | cognificent | if you googled Helvetica everything turned comic sans |
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| 22:12.48 | SRabbelier | hehe, there goes Cat |
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| 22:22.07 | hartem | aseem: autocompleter position was hilarious :-) |
| 22:23.02 | aseem | hartem, So was Google Romance :D |
| 22:23.12 | SRabbelier | aseem: Google Romance? |
| 22:23.27 | MatthewWilkes | mmm cadbury's creme egg |
| 22:23.29 | hartem | gmail motion was also cool |
| 22:23.33 | aseem | http://www.google.com/romance/index.html |
| 22:23.42 | aseem | hartem, the best :D |
| 22:24.11 | aseem | Google Romance Beta! Ha Ha |
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| 22:33.37 | jury | hello, I have a little problem... I'm trying to register as a student at the GSoC site and all I get is "500 server error" |
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| 22:34.00 | SRabbelier | jury: please hold |
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| 22:34.23 | LetterRip | 'all operators are busy, please stand by' |
| 22:34.24 | LetterRip | heeh |
| 22:35.10 | SRabbelier | jury: deploying fix |
| 22:35.42 | SRabbelier | jury: should be live in under a minute |
| 22:35.52 | jury | SRabbelier: thank you :) |
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| 22:40.56 | SRabbelier | jury: is it working now? |
| 22:41.47 | jury | SRabbelier: yep, registered successfully |
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| 22:41.57 | LetterRip | the jury is in, it works |
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| 22:47.56 | SRabbelier | lol |
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| 22:59.23 | Woaden | anyone got any tips for programming endurance |
| 22:59.41 | LetterRip | energy drinks :) |
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| 22:59.44 | Woaden | sometimes it's extremely difficult to focus and program all day, with a deadline -_- |
| 22:59.57 | LetterRip | Woaden: take breaks, do exercise |
| 22:59.59 | LetterRip | keep in shape |
| 23:00.07 | LetterRip | switch between tasks |
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| 23:00.25 | jury | ditto, plus a lot of chocolate |
| 23:00.27 | ojwb | but that doesn't mean checking twitter every 3 minutes |
| 23:00.29 | LetterRip | you can try some 'nootropics' as well that enhance concetration |
| 23:00.39 | Woaden | nootropics?? |
| 23:00.46 | LetterRip | Woaden: 'smart drugs' |
| 23:00.54 | Woaden | vitamins? |
| 23:01.47 | Woaden | interesting, reading the wiki |
| 23:02.04 | LetterRip | haven't ever used them myself |
| 23:02.20 | LetterRip | but some folk have had good effect |
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| 23:02.31 | digirak | i have just saved my data as a student |
| 23:02.33 | digirak | with Gsoc |
| 23:02.42 | digirak | but I am not able to view it anymore |
| 23:02.45 | Woaden | LetterRip: thanks |
| 23:03.09 | Woaden | anyone use the gunnar glasses? |
| 23:04.04 | LetterRip | Woaden: yeah - good ergonomics (chair, computer surface, reduced glare) will help also |
| 23:04.14 | LetterRip | any sort of reduced stress |
| 23:04.18 | LetterRip | methods in general |
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| 23:06.34 | jury | not having a girlfriend helps a lot, too |
| 23:07.15 | Woaden | i have a girlfriend and i find myself playing starcraft 2 in between programming spurts |
| 23:07.21 | Woaden | which i suspect is heavily dentrimental |
| 23:07.51 | MatthewWilkes | girlfriends are detrimental to coding, yes |
| 23:09.03 | gevaerts | points out that gsoc is supposed to be an equal-opportunity thing, so boyfriends should be disparaged too! |
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| 23:09.35 | ojwb | and gender-indeterminate friends |
| 23:09.45 | jury | right, sorry, I meant not having a girlfriend or a boyfriend ;) |
| 23:09.49 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
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