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| 00:06.59 | zipCode | is there anyone here using xen actively ? |
| 00:08.21 | marekweb | The several bioinformatics mentor orgs have really fascinating projects |
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| 00:11.29 | carols | im heading home |
| 00:11.34 | carols | have a nice rest of your day all |
| 00:11.40 | SRabbelier | carols: you too |
| 00:11.44 | SRabbelier | should be off to bed anyway |
| 00:11.49 | carols | thanks for all the hard work today SRabbelier |
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| 00:30.14 | efes | How to call those 'initial tasks' - patches students has to submit before applying? How to call it properly in English? |
| 00:30.27 | efes | 'initial task' sounds quite stupid :D |
| 00:31.01 | hypatia | efes: pre-proposal task |
| 00:31.17 | efes | thanks :) |
| 00:31.36 | hypatia | no problemo :) |
| 00:31.52 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: plone's up! |
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| 00:32.21 | efes | hypatia: Don't you know any English language channel where natives/fluent in this lang solves language problems ? ;> |
| 00:33.46 | hypatia | efes: i don't know of one, sorry :/ |
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| 00:33.58 | efes | hypatia: no probl :] Thanks. |
| 00:34.03 | hypatia | good luck |
| 00:34.16 | hypatia | efes: try joining random channels like #english and #esl just in case? |
| 00:34.29 | efes | hypatia: I will try |
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| 00:34.59 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: rockbox is up!! |
| 00:35.03 | biske | Hi everybody from Serbia.. |
| 00:35.18 | efes | biske: Hi :) |
| 00:35.48 | biske | I am wondering is there some java project for gsoc.. |
| 00:36.04 | efes | biske: Huh... it seems to be most popular lang this GSoC |
| 00:36.29 | bugQ | you can search the tags for java in the orgs list |
| 00:36.42 | SRabbelier | scorche: ^ |
| 00:36.44 | efes | biske: I have also seen Java4Android, Java4WWW, ... projects. |
| 00:36.46 | bugQ | there are 58 o_o |
| 00:37.15 | biske | I will look on the GSoC site.. |
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| 00:37.30 | bugQ | wait, some of those are javascript |
| 00:37.52 | efes | bugQ: Well... after some beers it's same ;)P |
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| 00:39.19 | bugQ | biske in the tags box type in "java," WITH the comma |
| 00:39.22 | kruzenbek | hi everybory.. |
| 00:39.24 | kruzenbek | does someone here ever applied to nmap or openwall project? |
| 00:39.31 | SRabbelier | !anyone |
| 00:39.32 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 00:39.35 | efes | kruzenbek: hi |
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| 00:40.00 | kruzenbek | efes, wich one? |
| 00:40.37 | efes | kruzenbek: It wasn't me! :o "I just came to say hello" :D |
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| 00:41.26 | kruzenbek | efes, so sorry =) |
| 00:41.35 | ojwb | MatzeWilkes: your name's lost weight too? |
| 00:41.56 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: \o/ |
| 00:42.04 | SRabbelier | scorche: :D |
| 00:42.29 | SRabbelier | ojwb: this guy's a fraud, he's connecting from Sweden |
| 00:42.57 | biske | Could someone help me to find list of projects? |
| 00:43.13 | kruzenbek | biske, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 00:43.34 | efes | !list |
| 00:43.36 | socinfo | efes: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Misc, Owner, and User |
| 00:43.41 | biske | Thanks a lot.. |
| 00:43.48 | efes | uh |
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| 00:54.08 | biske | There are nice projects.. |
| 00:54.26 | biske | I will look better what to choose.. |
| 00:54.34 | biske | Thanks for help.. |
| 00:54.36 | biske | By.. |
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| 01:00.55 | tensa_zangetsu | once i submit an application can i refine it afterwards |
| 01:00.59 | scorche|sh | yes |
| 01:01.13 | scorche|sh | up until... |
| 01:01.15 | scorche|sh | !next |
| 01:01.16 | socinfo | scorche|sh: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 01:03.06 | tensa_zangetsu | scorche|sh: thank you |
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| 01:05.19 | fabiocba | is there a problem if two or more students submit similar proposals? |
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| 01:05.52 | fabiocba | they both can work on the same idea if the organization allows? |
| 01:06.04 | joaoprudencio | hi guys , can someone tell me what is the "Foreign Certification form " ? |
| 01:07.16 | ojwb | fabiocba: it's premitted by google, but few orgs will do it |
| 01:07.38 | ojwb | you go in knowing that there's pretty much zero chance that one of the projects will get merged |
| 01:07.47 | ojwb | which is pretty demotivating to the students |
| 01:08.14 | fabiocba | ojwb: i see |
| 01:08.20 | fabiocba | ojwb: thank you :) |
| 01:08.28 | ojwb | if they've taken the idea in radically different directions, maybe |
| 01:08.34 | ojwb | but then it isn't similar proposals |
| 01:08.44 | efes | joaoprudencio: It's a paper if you are from outside of US... |
| 01:09.15 | efes | joaoprudencio: It means Google will not pay tax for you in USA, but you will pay it in your country, at your own |
| 01:09.16 | joaoprudencio | I am from outside. But google gives that form? I don't know where I cant get that |
| 01:09.35 | ojwb | joaoprudencio: you don't need to worry now |
| 01:09.38 | ojwb | only if you get accepted |
| 01:09.43 | efes | joaoprudencio: Yes. It will be published soon. Don't care. Gogogle publishes it every year. |
| 01:09.46 | joaoprudencio | OK! thank you guys! |
| 01:10.54 | efes | joaoprudencio: It's preety simple sheet of paper, 1 page. You sign it twice and send it to Google. That's all! |
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| 01:11.49 | joaoprudencio | Simple indeed. |
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| 01:13.21 | efes | joaoprudencio: After accepted student's list is publishes, project manager creates closed discussion groups for students and another one for mentors. There you will be instructed what to do. |
| 01:13.41 | joaoprudencio | Another thing, I just started reading the documentation about gsoc, and I noticed that the discussion phase with mentor organizations had already finished. Do I still have a good opportunity to get my proposal accepted? |
| 01:13.54 | efes | joaoprudencio: Also there you will get such stuff like a foregin cert form and other administrativia |
| 01:14.18 | scorche|sh | of course there is still a chance - but other students already have a lead on you - which means you need to be even better ;) |
| 01:14.29 | ojwb | actually, the mentors list already exists |
| 01:14.40 | ojwb | not that that really matters |
| 01:14.51 | efes | joaoprudencio: Until April 8th everything is possible |
| 01:14.52 | ojwb | joaoprudencio: you can still discuss with the orgs |
| 01:15.00 | ojwb | it's just you can submit too now |
| 01:15.10 | thebolt | morning |
| 01:15.16 | ojwb | hi thebolt |
| 01:15.30 | joaoprudencio | I understand. However, I am a complete novice, so I am still reading FAQ's to fully understand the rules.. |
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| 01:16.27 | steev | cd /win 14 |
| 01:16.27 | joaoprudencio | Do you recommend to e-mail (or other mean of communication ) the mentor organization, presenting my idea, before making the formal proposal? |
| 01:16.46 | efes | joaoprudencio: My hint is: after being selected, do photocopy of your student ID and print+sign twice foreign cert form and send it to Google asap, best next day. Those who sent complete document pack will get card and gifts first :>>>> |
| 01:16.50 | scorche|sh | joaoprudencio: whatever those orgs prefer - try mailing lists, IRC channels, etc |
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| 01:17.25 | scorche|sh | well, be sure to follow google's directions when they give them - no sense in doing something before they are ready for it |
| 01:18.57 | efes | I meant he not to delay it for 2,3,4 weeks :] |
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| 01:19.07 | efes | *he shouldnt delay |
| 01:19.29 | joaoprudencio | efes i'll do that. thank you. btw, gifts? you mean, they'll give me a lot of work to do :) |
| 01:19.51 | jonsandness | hey, not to be a grammar nazi but I thought someone should know that there's a spelling error on: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/home |
| 01:20.01 | efes | joaoprudencio: Every year Google sends card + "something". Gift. It's a sweet secret. |
| 01:20.09 | jonsandness | more than more than 4,000 |
| 01:20.25 | jonsandness | grammatical error* |
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| 01:21.54 | joaoprudencio | sorry mate, English is not my first language. Thank you for the advice |
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| 01:23.02 | efes | efes: Me too ;) I haven't ever been in English-spoken country ;) |
| 01:23.17 | jonsandness | haha, no worries, i just thought you should know. |
| 01:23.54 | joaoprudencio | Well, it's an excuse. I shouldn't make this kind of mistakes. Lack of trainning I guess :) |
| 01:24.05 | efes | :? |
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| 01:26.11 | efes | joaoprudencio: check Google's sizes of T-Shirts. I heard in some countries XL is greater/smaller than in other. Check before you set ;) |
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| 01:28.18 | efes | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.20 | joaoprudencio | I had order several times T-shirts at Ebay from UK. The most wise thing to do is order a bigger size :D |
| 01:28.35 | tensa_zangetsu | joaoprudencio: it's ok. everybody makes mistakes! |
| 01:28.48 | tensa_zangetsu | except for math. 1 + 1 always = 2 |
| 01:29.02 | thebolt | except for unusually big values of 1 ;) |
| 01:30.48 | joaoprudencio | thank you efes, that will be useful |
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| 01:32.14 | efes | if you keen on searching on GOogle, you will sure find also same document with metric units and cute images ;) AFAIR one guy from China made great images to illustrate all the dimensions. |
| 01:32.36 | efes | and he also made metric unit table. |
| 01:33.03 | efes | should be in Google ;) |
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| 01:36.01 | joaoprudencio | In my proposal, should I include my CV and detailed information about the projects I am involved? |
| 01:36.45 | efes | Due to template. Some orgs require your CV as an attachment. |
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| 01:37.19 | Triskelios | joaoprudencio: if the template provided by your org asks for such details; otherwise not necessary |
| 01:37.35 | efes | joaoprudencio: If not, just write some words about you. Tell about your skills whose will be useful in this task you apply to |
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| 01:38.57 | joaoprudencio | I thought I should provide a complete portfolio relevant to the area, in order to prove that I have the right skills |
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| 01:39.37 | ojwb | the student guide has a good section on writing a proposal |
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| 01:40.52 | ojwb | joaoprudencio: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/writing-a-proposal/ |
| 01:40.53 | efes | joaoprudencio: only if they expect it. They can ask about candidate's blog/webpage. It can be substitute of your portfolio. Depends of org and their expectation. Look at Blender, they've posted simple (very successful) application. Search for it. |
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| 01:41.12 | ojwb | i'm happy to be othered pointers to more info |
| 01:41.21 | ojwb | I can easily just ignore a url if I'm not interested |
| 01:41.51 | joaoprudencio | Thank you. I'll read those docs |
| 01:41.57 | sdimkov | hey guys are you able to "List all organizations" on GSoC's website ? |
| 01:42.07 | joaoprudencio | no, it's not working |
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| 01:42.18 | sdimkov | I get the following - "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" |
| 01:42.31 | ojwb | did you try refreshing? |
| 01:42.34 | sdimkov | yep |
| 01:42.41 | sdimkov | even tried 3 different browser |
| 01:42.44 | sdimkov | browsers* |
| 01:42.52 | ojwb | appengine kills things which run for too long, so it's a bit flakey sometimes |
| 01:43.10 | efes | BYe guys :) TIme to sleep... |
| 01:44.03 | ojwb | seems unhappy to me too |
| 01:44.33 | ojwb | SRabbelier: the org list seems to be refusing to load repeatedly for several people... |
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| 01:44.58 | ojwb | you can look at the 5 currently highlighted on the front page at least |
| 01:45.19 | downeym | Doesn't load for me. 'Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again' |
| 01:45.27 | downeym | (on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 ) |
| 01:46.25 | joaoprudencio | gsoc website refers that this pogramme should be a full time job. However, it is said also that is required 5 hours per week approximately. WHat you have to say about that? 10 hours a week is enough for any project? |
| 01:46.44 | ojwb | 5 hours a week is for *mentoring* |
| 01:46.57 | joaoprudencio | ho, you're right |
| 01:46.58 | ojwb | if you're a student, it's expected to be full time |
| 01:47.05 | joaoprudencio | 8 hours a day? |
| 01:47.19 | ojwb | well, nobody's going to time you with a stopwatch |
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| 01:47.31 | ojwb | but it's pretty obvious if you aren't working close to full time |
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| 01:47.42 | ojwb | so expect about a 40 hours week I'd say |
| 01:48.06 | ojwb | if you have a full time commitment for the summer already, it's not going to work out well |
| 01:48.56 | marcg | $5000, 12 weeks, 40 hours per week -> MATH -> ~$10.50/hr |
| 01:49.25 | ojwb | well, if you're just doing this for the money, I'd find something else to do for the summer |
| 01:49.29 | marcg | oh definitely |
| 01:49.29 | joaoprudencio | I don't. The problem is that my semester ends in June. So I have to have a good plan to succeed in both. I think it's possible. |
| 01:49.53 | ojwb | joaoprudencio: talk to the org, the timeline fits imperfectly for a lot of students |
| 01:50.34 | ojwb | starting coding during the community bonding (possibly fewer hours per day) can work for example |
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| 01:52.13 | joaoprudencio | Thank you ojwb |
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| 01:52.32 | joaoprudencio | I'll think about that, now I have to go |
| 01:52.50 | joaoprudencio | good night |
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| 01:55.31 | marcg | ojwb, I am doing this for the tshirt, not the money |
| 01:55.57 | ojwb | 1 t-shirt, 12 weeks, 40 hours per week -> ... |
| 01:56.22 | ojwb | the experience is a useful byproduct |
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| 01:56.39 | marcg | a small extra tip, imo |
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| 01:57.48 | marcg | medium tshirt: 6.5 oz, 12 weeks, 40hr/wk --> .014oz/hr |
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| 01:58.17 | marcg | keeps me motivated |
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| 01:59.48 | luizribeiro | hi. if an organization asks the student for more details in his proposal after the submission deadline, can the student edit or resubmit his proposal's pdf? |
| 02:00.14 | scorche | you put your proposal in a PDF? |
| 02:00.50 | marcg | after the deadline you cannot |
| 02:00.58 | marcg | unless you send it directly to the org, I suppose |
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| 02:01.01 | luizribeiro | scorche: you're not supposed to do that? the examples I've seen on drupal's and gephi's gsoc page are all in a pdf |
| 02:01.16 | marcg | luizribeiro, you get a wysiwyg editor when you submit |
| 02:01.17 | scorche | luizribeiro: well, different orgs may have different requirements... |
| 02:01.21 | luizribeiro | marcg: hm, that's what I thought. thanks |
| 02:01.38 | luizribeiro | oh, I see. |
| 02:01.40 | marcg | do note you can edit as much as you want until the deadline, april 8th, arrives |
| 02:01.50 | scorche | personally, i find that a major pain - it is so much easier to be able to view the proposals in plaintext and not have to open up hundreds of files |
| 02:02.27 | marcg | scorche, you don't like video recorded files? I thought those were all the rage |
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| 02:02.35 | marcg | s/files/proposals/ |
| 02:02.39 | scorche | marcg: dont make me kick you ;) |
| 02:02.48 | marcg | notes op status |
| 02:02.50 | luizribeiro | scorche: I tend to agree with you. :) |
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| 02:03.22 | scorche | luizribeiro: in the end though - it is the org's decision, so feel free to ignore me ;) |
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| 02:22.54 | antimatroid_ | Hi guys, on the registration page, is "link id" just a very poorly chosen name for username? |
| 02:23.00 | antimatroid_ | or is it something more specific? |
| 02:23.01 | dberkholz | is there some way to hide "complteted" requests that i'm just missing? |
| 02:23.11 | dberkholz | antimatroid_: basically, yes. |
| 02:23.18 | dberkholz | completed, rather |
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| 02:24.13 | dberkholz | i hate seeing a list of 30 mentor requests that i've already responded to. |
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| 02:28.37 | antimatroid_ | dberkholz: I assume it is fine for the link id and public name to be the same then? |
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| 02:32.01 | Ryaether | antimatroid_: mine are |
| 02:32.22 | antimatroid_ | Ryather: okay cool, sorry for the stupid questions :) |
| 02:32.43 | Ryaether | antimatroid_: haha, its no trouble at all |
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| 02:38.49 | fami | what is good headphone? |
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| 02:39.35 | kevin7kal-banned | obviousley not the one I'm using now - but what do I need to do to be disbanded? |
| 02:40.18 | kevin7kal-banned | |Kev| ? I need to have my nick disbanded, can you help? |
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| 02:41.18 | EliasAmaral | I can't see the list of accepted organizations (it says "please refresh the list or the whole page to try again") |
| 02:41.24 | EliasAmaral | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 02:41.51 | downeym | EliasAmaral: it's not just you. |
| 02:42.35 | EliasAmaral | is there some plain text file out there with them? |
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| 02:44.50 | EliasAmaral | prefers the old style of the site, like http://code.google.com/soc/2005/ |
| 02:45.30 | antimatroid_ | EliasAmarel: that is much nicer, I wonder why they changed |
| 02:46.37 | EliasAmaral | http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/MelangeIntro tells why |
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| 02:47.45 | bugQ | the only thing I really need from the site is a good navbar |
| 02:48.10 | bugQ | if I can get anywhere in two clicks I'm happy |
| 02:48.31 | bugQ | right now it's kind of a mess |
| 02:48.53 | dberkholz | if you consider the dashboard your "home" page, you can get anywhere in 2 |
| 02:49.13 | bugQ | but it's not part of the navbar, so it's 3 |
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| 02:50.19 | sdimkov | anyone having ideas how to get the list of orgs in GSoC 2011 ? |
| 02:50.20 | dberkholz | what takes 3 clicks right now, starting from the dashboard? |
| 02:50.29 | sdimkov | currnetly the website gives error when trying |
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| 02:50.57 | ojwb | sdimkov: that's the way, so you'll have to wait I'm afraid |
| 02:51.20 | ojwb | if you say what sort of thing you're interested in, someone here might be able to give you an idea |
| 02:51.23 | sdimkov | is it shutdown or it's an outage ? |
| 02:51.31 | dberkholz | i just reported it in #melange, in case anyone else was thinking of that |
| 02:51.34 | ojwb | doesn't know |
| 02:51.40 | sdimkov | I wanted to revise more organizations and their ideas. |
| 02:52.04 | dberkholz | sdimkov: now you've got an easy way to cut your number of orgs down â whoever's on irc right now =) |
| 02:52.35 | ojwb | or the 5 on the front page right now... |
| 02:52.38 | sdimkov | yeah, great opportunity |
| 02:53.09 | cognificent | You can google gsoc 2011 ideas |
| 02:54.01 | dberkholz | sdimkov: enter this query into google: site:http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/ |
| 02:54.05 | dberkholz | that should get you the orgs |
| 02:54.07 | ojwb | just beware you may hit orgs who applied but weren't accepted |
| 02:54.22 | ojwb | dberkholz: ah, that's a good idea! |
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| 02:54.52 | sdimkov | yep amazing! |
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| 02:54.58 | sdimkov | thank you dberkholz! |
| 02:54.59 | scorche | EliasAmaral: antimatroid_: trust me when i say that from a org admin's standpoint - the site has improved a *ton* ;) |
| 02:55.02 | dberkholz | np |
| 02:55.27 | bugQ | dberkholz: _not_ starting from the dashboard |
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| 02:55.48 | ojwb | "About 54 results" - hmm |
| 02:56.02 | ojwb | 48 actually |
| 02:56.05 | dberkholz | yeah, i was just noticing it's a little sort too. |
| 02:56.17 | dberkholz | apparently some people never linked to their homepage |
| 02:56.28 | dberkholz | too* |
| 02:56.57 | ojwb | adds a link somewhere quick! |
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| 02:57.44 | bugQ | actually the only link on my dashboard is the orgs list. why isn't that on the navbar, for example? |
| 02:58.34 | ojwb | it's on the front page |
| 02:58.43 | bugQ | that's not what I said |
| 02:58.49 | ojwb | personally I like that every single thing on the site isn't crammed into the navbar now |
| 02:58.53 | ojwb | it makes it usable |
| 02:58.57 | bugQ | it's only one more link!! |
| 02:58.57 | dberkholz | why should it be on the navbar, when it's in a million other places |
| 02:59.13 | bugQ | because it's inconsistent |
| 02:59.50 | dberkholz | with what? |
| 03:00.07 | bugQ | with itself. |
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| 03:00.43 | bugQ | how am I supposed to know before clicking that "apply" means "orgs list" |
| 03:01.24 | bugQ | what if I'm not ready to apply but I just want to browse the list? |
| 03:01.34 | EliasAmaral | scorche, interesting. But I can't imagine why the UI changed to something so.. awkward. One could change how things in the background works, keeping the same layout, colors, etc |
| 03:01.39 | dberkholz | then you see all participating organizations, on the homepage |
| 03:01.52 | ojwb | bugQ: "See all 175 participating organizations" |
| 03:02.21 | scorche | EliasAmaral: there have been many years of GSoC - all with their own interesting web app changes ;) |
| 03:03.02 | bugQ | ojwb: that link is on a low-contrast background with a smaller font than most of the rest of the page |
| 03:03.18 | brlcad | why hello bugQ! |
| 03:03.25 | brlcad | there's a name I've not seen in a while.. |
| 03:03.28 | bugQ | oh, hi |
| 03:03.53 | dberkholz | you can argue with the web-design company about that, we've already asked for it to be emphasized |
| 03:04.24 | ojwb | has to say that he won't be recommeding echoditto to anyone in a hurry |
| 03:04.35 | ojwb | but the old site wasn't better |
| 03:04.53 | bugQ | I do like the simplification, it just still needs work |
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| 03:05.54 | dberkholz | step one on the homepage should probably have a link to the orgs, too |
| 03:06.05 | bugQ | yes, I actually tried to click that |
| 03:06.07 | bugQ | several times |
| 03:06.18 | skbohra | dberkholz: I agree |
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| 03:13.09 | marti1125 | Hi :D |
| 03:13.26 | marcg | 'ello |
| 03:13.34 | marti1125 | :D |
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| 03:14.10 | kevin7kal-banned | is there a channel admin that can help? I've been banned from this room and I'm not quite sure why |
| 03:14.55 | redheadphones | SRabbelier, ^ |
| 03:15.19 | kevin7kal-banned | of course - this is not my regular account - but my handle definitely indicates the nick I usually use |
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| 03:15.45 | andress | I cant access the list of project from the official site. someone knows an alternative site where I can see the list? |
| 03:15.53 | andress | *projects |
| 03:15.57 | ojwb | @1301491085 -sendak.freenode.net- SRabbelier (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/srabbelier) changed mode: +bbbb kevin7kal!*@* come!*@* back!*@* when!*@* |
| 03:15.57 | ojwb | @1301491085 -sendak.freenode.net- SRabbelier (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/srabbelier) changed mode: +bbb your!*@* connection!*@* works!*@* |
| 03:16.07 | ojwb | looks like you were bouncing off and reconnecting a lot |
| 03:16.28 | marcg | he didn't like hearing that |
| 03:16.29 | ojwb | apt... |
| 03:17.02 | ojwb | I'd hope Mr Rabbelier has gone to bed by now |
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| 03:17.12 | dberkholz | andress: nothing perfect yet, but you can put site:http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/ to see 50 or so of the 175 |
| 03:17.25 | dberkholz | anyone got a better idea yet? |
| 03:17.53 | tensa_zangetsu | dberkholz: that page doesn't load at all for me |
| 03:18.00 | hadleyt | me neither - 404 |
| 03:18.06 | dberkholz | put that into a google search |
| 03:18.21 | dberkholz | my keyboard flakes out regularly, sorry |
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| 03:19.33 | andress | thanks dberkholz but i get 404 there |
| 03:19.44 | hadleyt | it was working earlier today . . . |
| 03:20.01 | andress | at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 03:20.18 | andress | I get "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" |
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| 03:21.05 | dberkholz | try http://bit.ly/hFnz5t |
| 03:21.39 | dberkholz | since apparently i fail at providing instructions |
| 03:21.42 | ojwb | address: that's a google search query, not a url |
| 03:22.01 | ojwb | andress: ^ |
| 03:22.33 | hadleyt | it shows the projects though |
| 03:22.47 | dberkholz | or if you happen to know what you want by name, just go to one of the ones with logos on the homepage and change the url |
| 03:24.08 | andress | =D |
| 03:24.10 | andress | I got it |
| 03:24.13 | andress | thanks |
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| 03:26.40 | ojwb | http://www.bing.com/search?q=site:www.google-melange.com+%22org+show+google+gsoc2011%22 |
| 03:26.48 | ojwb | one valid result, one which doesn't work |
| 03:27.12 | ojwb | so ~50 out of 175 is rather good by comparison |
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| 03:27.43 | bugQ | I get 5 but from bing but it probably stole them from google |
| 03:27.52 | ojwb | odd |
| 03:28.57 | bugQ | actually google didn' apertium isn't on |
| 03:29.28 | bugQ | uh. buffer error |
| 03:29.55 | bugQ | apertium isn't in the google results. |
| 03:30.01 | bugQ | but bing has it. |
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| 03:34.00 | andrew453 | maybe this question is already done, can I submit more than 1 proposals? different projects? |
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| 03:34.52 | ojwb | andrew453: the faq answers that |
| 03:35.35 | ojwb | up to 20, but stop at 2 or 3 - mass produced proposals are poor quality and don't stand a chance against the stiff competition |
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| 03:37.19 | andrew453 | and if all are accepted? |
| 03:38.15 | ojwb | you'll get to do one of them |
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| 03:38.28 | ojwb | you'll probably be asked which, but don't rely on it |
| 03:38.56 | _alexander_ | How many participants are accepted on average per organization? |
| 03:39.01 | summatusmentis | and if not, you'll end up somewhere anyway |
| 03:39.09 | callkalpa | Accepted organizations list doesn't get loaded :-( |
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| 03:42.01 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 03:42.02 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 03:42.15 | ojwb | _alexander_: those are the numbers, but it varies hugely by org size |
| 03:42.28 | ojwb | between 1 and over 50 |
| 03:43.08 | _alexander_ | ojwb: ok, thanks. |
| 03:43.14 | ojwb | callkalpa: http://bit.ly/hFnz5t |
| 03:43.40 | Upthorn | I am confused by the new interface at socghop.appspot.com |
| 03:44.00 | Upthorn | If I participated as a student previously, do I need to register again? |
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| 03:44.51 | Upthorn | (I participated in 2009 and 2010. I did not have to re-register in 2010, but the layout and information on the page recently changed dramatically) |
| 03:45.35 | ojwb | Upthorn: probably not |
| 03:45.47 | ojwb | if you log in, does it know you? |
| 03:46.02 | Upthorn | it says " |
| 03:46.02 | Upthorn | You are logged in as Upthorn@gmail.com [link_id: upthorn]. (Not you?) |
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| 03:46.14 | ojwb | well, sounds like you are logged in then |
| 03:46.29 | ojwb | i'm using my login from GCI |
| 03:46.44 | Upthorn | but I am having great difficulty finding the link to my profile, or the link to create an application |
| 03:46.47 | ojwb | which I had to recreate only because my google account has a different address associated with in now |
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| 03:46.59 | Upthorn | I guess I should rtfm |
| 03:47.01 | ojwb | Upthorn: find an org, click there |
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| 03:47.09 | ojwb | but the org list is bust right now apparently |
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| 03:47.46 | ryanz | hello? |
| 03:48.06 | callkalpa | ojwb, thanks |
| 03:48.08 | ryanz | When I am trying to see the list of participating organizations |
| 03:48.17 | ojwb | Upthorn: if you go here, do you see a "submit application" button, probably near the bottom? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/xapian |
| 03:48.17 | ryanz | on this page: |
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| 03:48.25 | ryanz | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 03:48.29 | ryanz | I am getting this message: |
| 03:48.37 | ryanz | Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again |
| 03:48.39 | ojwb | ryanz: currently broken, there's a partial list here http://bit.ly/hFnz5t |
| 03:48.54 | ryanz | ahh.. Thank you. |
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| 03:48.58 | Upthorn | ojwb: I do not. |
| 03:49.00 | ojwb | you can also click the 5 logos on the front page |
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| 03:49.22 | ojwb | Upthorn: hmm, not sure then |
| 03:49.31 | ojwb | sees the admin view |
| 03:49.46 | HarryD | good day all |
| 03:49.49 | ryanz | Great. Thanks. |
| 03:50.12 | bugQ | Upthorn, ojwb: I see "Submit proposal", but only when I'm logged in |
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| 03:50.33 | Upthorn | I see buttons to register as a student or as a mentor |
| 03:50.44 | ojwb | register as a student then? |
| 03:51.03 | Upthorn | I should already have a student profile, though |
| 03:51.14 | Upthorn | what I'm actually trying to do right now is access that |
| 03:51.18 | ojwb | i guess that's changed maybe? |
| 03:51.22 | Upthorn | so I can get the link to one of my prior projects |
| 03:51.24 | andrew453 | blue-sky proposals = out-of-ideas-list proposal? |
| 03:51.29 | ojwb | the data from previous years is there, but not linked to |
| 03:51.41 | bugQ | you need to register for GSoC 2011 specifically |
| 03:51.42 | Upthorn | that is quite frustrating. |
| 03:51.43 | ojwb | so you need to know the url to see it at the moment |
| 03:51.51 | ojwb | i can imagine |
| 03:51.52 | bugQ | it doesn't count if you registered last year |
| 03:51.53 | Upthorn | because if I knew the URL |
| 03:51.58 | Upthorn | I wouldn't need to get the URL |
| 03:52.02 | ojwb | #melange may be able to help you pull it out |
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| 03:52.17 | ojwb | andrew453: probably |
| 03:52.36 | dberkholz | i love it when i get to use words like transmogrification |
| 03:52.38 | bugQ | andrew453: yes |
| 03:52.39 | Upthorn | and apparently my 2009 student_project page now 404s. |
| 03:52.47 | Upthorn | this is not looking positive |
| 03:53.02 | ojwb | #melange may be able to help you pull it out... |
| 03:53.03 | andrew453 | oh right |
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| 04:01.44 | ni8mare | The accepted organisations page is not opening. It's showing the following error : "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" . |
| 04:01.58 | thunder_island | I was having the same issue |
| 04:02.22 | ni8mare | Still having ? |
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| 04:02.50 | thunder_island | yes |
| 04:03.18 | ni8mare | Is there any other method to check ? |
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| 04:04.32 | ojwb | http://bit.ly/hFnz5t has about 50, also the 5 logos on the homepage still work |
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| 04:05.22 | wtachi | well, the org list may be down, but at least the 5 on the homepage are random now! |
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| 04:11.14 | dberkholz | now you just check back every minutes for 17 hours, and you'll eventually see the one you wanted |
| 04:11.19 | dberkholz | every 30* |
| 04:11.28 | bugQ | oh my god, that's hilarious |
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| 04:13.35 | dberkholz | scorche: lucky guy.. /me look at brlcad logo on the homepage |
| 04:13.46 | dberkholz | scorche: your logo's up right when the org list is down =) |
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| 04:14.27 | brlcad | ah, if it's in order then it's fully cycled |
| 04:15.07 | dberkholz | scorche: heh, nm, i pinged the wrong guy. |
| 04:15.15 | dberkholz | i don't know why i always mix you two up. |
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| 04:15.39 | ojwb | ah so it has! |
| 04:15.50 | pnoble | heyy all |
| 04:15.52 | ojwb | hmm, not 17 hours then |
| 04:15.56 | brlcad | heh, me either, we look nothing alike :) |
| 04:16.02 | ojwb | I guess it's skipping the ones without logos |
| 04:16.16 | pnoble | anyone else having trouble loading the accepted orgs on the application page? |
| 04:16.22 | wtachi | pnoble: yes, everyone |
| 04:16.27 | pnoble | ok =) |
| 04:16.29 | dberkholz | i must've met both of you before i got contacts |
| 04:16.44 | bugQ | that doesn't change the fact that it has got to be the silliest way possible to solve the issue |
| 04:17.06 | dberkholz | well, the solution is ping people who work on the webapp and wait 8 hours till they wake up. |
| 04:17.19 | dberkholz | we don't pay them well enough to page them at 3am |
| 04:17.19 | brlcad | so about a 6 hour rotation |
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| 04:18.41 | brlcad | the only orgs you all should care to apply to are in the listed five right now, get started on those applications! |
| 04:18.54 | bugQ | haha |
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| 04:19.17 | encod3d | hey all |
| 04:19.25 | dberkholz | i was getting ready to send out some more PR emails for gentoo, but i guess this isn't the best time since the website's busted. |
| 04:19.31 | encod3d | i accidently submitted my proposal twice |
| 04:19.49 | encod3d | how to delete duplicate? |
| 04:19.52 | ojwb | encod3d: you'll have do to twice as much work now |
| 04:19.56 | wtachi | encod3d: change one to say "IGNORE ME" |
| 04:19.57 | wtachi | haha |
| 04:20.03 | encod3d | lol |
| 04:20.13 | wtachi | encod3d: you can also try #melange, but everyone's asleep now |
| 04:20.16 | dberkholz | if you can do that with the title, please do |
| 04:20.26 | dberkholz | DUPLICATE -- IGNORE |
| 04:20.27 | brlcad | i'm surprised I couldn't scavenge a copy-pasted list of the orgs from anywhere |
| 04:20.32 | wtachi | thinks of Venture Brothers |
| 04:20.32 | dberkholz | that way people don't need to click into it |
| 04:20.48 | dberkholz | brlcad: heh, i've got one on my main laptop but the drive crashed. |
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| 04:21.37 | brlcad | tried locating the docs for talking to the melange api directly, to see if a different query might pull data |
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| 04:22.18 | brlcad | dberkholz: convenient! |
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| 04:25.10 | wtachi | !learn orgs as The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 04:25.11 | socinfo | wtachi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:25.34 | wtachi | now that I set that up, the orgs list will start working just to spite me |
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| 04:26.58 | dberkholz | wtachi: does the same order just mean alphabetical? |
| 04:27.20 | wtachi | dberkholz: yes, alphabetical by its name in GSoC |
| 04:27.29 | ojwb | adds a space in from of his org name |
| 04:27.43 | wtachi | so if it started with "The" it would go near the end |
| 04:27.50 | wtachi | I guess it doesn't matter terribly |
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| 04:28.57 | wtachi | if nothing else, this will be a list of the orgs who are on IRC in the middle of the night |
| 04:29.01 | wtachi | (yeah, yeah, timezones) |
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| 04:30.43 | dberkholz | ponders pasting a tiny logo in there |
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| 04:42.36 | ojwb | snarfed this: http://survex.com/~olly/gsoc2011-partial-org-list.html |
| 04:42.45 | ojwb | no idea how to put that into the google doc list though |
| 04:42.54 | dberkholz | copy and paste |
| 04:43.20 | ojwb | ok folks, this could be exciting... |
| 04:43.54 | ojwb | blimey it worked |
| 04:43.58 | ojwb | aside frm the ordering |
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| 04:44.11 | wtachi | eh, forget the ordering |
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| 04:46.56 | mmlevitt | I noticed a potential GSOC observing the gsoc2011 site was down. Considering that I would like to apply, myself, when can we expect the GSOC Mentor List 2011 to be functional, again? |
| 04:47.13 | dberkholz | mmlevitt: good question. depends on when the responsible people wake up. |
| 04:47.16 | wtachi | mmlevitt: you mean the list of organizations? |
| 04:47.20 | wtachi | !orgs |
| 04:47.21 | socinfo | wtachi: "orgs" is The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 04:47.28 | wtachi | mmlevitt: ^ that's all we have |
| 04:48.53 | ojwb | mmlevitt: the rest of the site seems to work, so you can apply OK still I think |
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| 04:49.13 | dberkholz | as long as you don't need to actually choose an organization to apply to... |
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| 04:49.49 | gancient | hi all , every time i try to refresh the org list on the melange gsoc portal i get "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" is there any problem ? |
| 04:50.04 | wtachi | gancient: yes, it's broken |
| 04:50.05 | wtachi | !orgs |
| 04:50.07 | socinfo | wtachi: "orgs" is The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 04:50.10 | wtachi | gancient: ^ that's all we have |
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| 04:51.09 | gancient | wtachi: thanks that's more than enough :) |
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| 04:54.36 | wtachi | someone link to it so it shows up in Google search results |
| 04:55.11 | ojwb | isn't melange likely to be fixed before that will happen? |
| 04:55.20 | wtachi | yeah, probably |
| 04:55.21 | mmlevitt | socinfo: thanks! |
| 04:55.40 | Upthorn | !timeline |
| 04:55.41 | socinfo | Upthorn: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 04:55.57 | Upthorn | wasn't there a nice graphical version for this year? |
| 04:56.04 | wtachi | !learn thanks! as You're welcome! |
| 04:56.04 | Upthorn | oh, huh. that's new |
| 04:56.04 | socinfo | wtachi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:57.07 | laserbled | thanks! |
| 04:57.14 | laserbled | socinfo, thanks! |
| 04:57.16 | socinfo | laserbled: "thanks!" is You're welcome! |
| 04:57.24 | laserbled | socinfo, thanks |
| 04:57.31 | wtachi | !thanks! |
| 04:57.32 | socinfo | wtachi: "thanks!" is You're welcome! |
| 04:57.43 | bugQ | ¡gracias! |
| 04:58.07 | wtachi | !learn thanks as You're welcome! |
| 04:58.07 | socinfo | wtachi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 05:00.34 | ojwb | !thanks |
| 05:00.35 | socinfo | ojwb: "thanks" is You're welcome! |
| 05:00.44 | ojwb | oh, I thought we had a factoid there already |
| 05:00.53 | ojwb | i guess it was lost when socinfo was reincarnated |
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| 05:06.14 | encod3d | bots |
| 05:06.31 | encod3d | everywhere |
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| 05:08.15 | bugQ | for some reason I have to try to close a tab that contains an org page twice before it will |
| 05:09.08 | bugQ | only in chrome though |
| 05:09.31 | bugQ | nevermind, it's any page. a bug in chrome |
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| 05:12.43 | bugQ | yeah, a whole bunch of UI just went bonkers |
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| 05:17.26 | madrazr | !logs |
| 05:17.27 | socinfo | madrazr: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 05:19.16 | wtachi | go Anonymous User 3! |
| 05:19.18 | callkalpa | accepted organization list is not loading in http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 :-( |
| 05:19.24 | wtachi | !orgs |
| 05:19.26 | socinfo | wtachi: "orgs" is The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 05:19.34 | wtachi | callkalpa: ^ |
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| 05:19.49 | callkalpa | thanks |
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| 05:23.20 | ankit_frenz | once submited can i edit my proposal later on? |
| 05:24.01 | ojwb | yes |
| 05:24.07 | ojwb | until the deadline on 8th |
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| 05:24.46 | ankit_frenz | ojwb: Thanks for info :) |
| 05:25.30 | ankit_frenz | accepted ogranisation page is giving "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" |
| 05:25.34 | ankit_frenz | isit just me? |
| 05:25.36 | wtachi | !orgs |
| 05:25.38 | socinfo | wtachi: "orgs" is The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 05:25.39 | wtachi | ankit_frenz: ^ |
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| 05:26.15 | ankit_frenz | so i cant submit application untill its fixed right? |
| 05:26.28 | wtachi | ankit_frenz: you can submit applications if you can find the org's page |
| 05:26.35 | wtachi | if it's not on that list, you have to wait |
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| 05:26.43 | ankit_frenz | oh okay |
| 05:26.49 | ankit_frenz | thanks for info :) |
| 05:27.20 | bugQ | or you can try to guess the link_id |
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| 05:28.35 | ankit_frenz | i found the organisation in the list wtachi gave :) |
| 05:29.03 | brlcad | is pulling the entire list now |
| 05:29.18 | brlcad | at least 150 or so .. 20 or so aren't showing up for some reason |
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| 05:30.39 | wtachi | brlcad: could they be the ones without logos? |
| 05:30.52 | brlcad | wtachi: heh, no |
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| 05:30.57 | brlcad | there are not 150 logos up there |
| 05:31.29 | wtachi | it only shows 5 at a time, but there are more orgs that have entered logos |
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| 05:32.37 | wtachi | !orgs |
| 05:32.39 | socinfo | wtachi: "orgs" is The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 05:32.48 | wtachi | ArthurLiu: could you put ^ in the topic? |
| 05:33.08 | wtachi | oh, not here |
| 05:33.35 | wtachi | join/leave autohiding, you have failed me |
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| 05:34.28 | bugQ | ArthurLiu is here |
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| 05:35.53 | downTown | hi, the accepted organistations link is not opening ... i have been trying since an hour now ... is it down ? |
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| 05:36.13 | wtachi | !orgs |
| 05:36.14 | socinfo | wtachi: "orgs" is The organization list is broken. Until it's fixed, check http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 05:36.14 | wtachi | downTown: ^ |
| 05:36.26 | downTown | getting this -:Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again |
| 05:36.36 | downTown | thnx |
| 05:36.49 | laserbled_ | just a suggetion....cant someone put a post on that page itself ? |
| 05:36.53 | wtachi | bugQ: he probably just has a server logged in while he sleeps |
| 05:36.59 | wtachi | laserbled_: no |
| 05:37.20 | bugQ | wtachi: he joined 5 minutes ago |
| 05:37.22 | wtachi | that needs a Melange developer, and if they were around they'd fix it |
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| 05:37.43 | wtachi | bugQ: after leaving a few minutes prior. Probably just a connection failure or something. |
| 05:38.02 | *** topic/#gsoc by ArthurLiu -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Students can now apply! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. | UPDATE: Org list broken, see: http://goo.gl/diQLF |
| 05:38.10 | wtachi | oh, I was wrong :p |
| 05:38.15 | ArthurLiu | goes back to sleep, 1:38am here |
| 05:38.28 | wtachi | here too! I should sleep soon |
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| 05:42.08 | kblin | there, samba logo updated, off to work |
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| 05:52.27 | brlcad | fantastic timing :) |
| 05:52.33 | wtachi | knew it |
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| 05:55.34 | wtachi | kblin: the topic needs changing |
| 05:55.52 | wtachi | it was useful for 20 minutes |
| 05:55.57 | wtachi | goes to bed |
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| 06:13.51 | socinfo | dreimark: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 06:25.51 | spparr | Hey there, folks |
| 06:26.28 | jj_ | ? |
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| 06:26.39 | spparr | Hm? |
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| 06:27.48 | spparr | Probably the wrong time of day to have joined the channel |
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| 06:32.06 | callkalpa | isn't there any sample applications that I can look at an get an idea? |
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| 06:32.31 | ojwb | callkalpa: see the student guide - there are two there |
| 06:32.33 | |Kev| | callkalpa: Please read the student guide. |
| 06:32.35 | spparr | There were some on the FAQ |
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| 06:32.42 | callkalpa | Thanks |
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| 06:34.23 | spparr | I'm not sure which company to apply to... |
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| 06:34.34 | spparr | Worried I might get into something over my head |
| 06:36.29 | jj__ | gsoc |
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| 06:38.31 | thiago_home | spparr: that's why you make the proposal |
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| 06:38.44 | thiago_home | spparr: propose something that isn't over your head |
| 06:39.30 | spparr | Yeah, I suppose. |
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| 06:39.47 | spparr | Just don't have too much experience in the past, so I'm not sure what to suggest yet |
| 06:39.54 | spparr | Still putting thought into it, though |
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| 06:40.07 | thiago_home | that's normal |
| 06:40.27 | thiago_home | GSoC's purpose is to get students their first contact with Open Source |
| 06:40.37 | thiago_home | so the vast majority of candidates have no experience |
| 06:41.52 | spparr | Well, I've written a couple open source plugins for Minecraft, but all the ideas pages seem to go way more in depth than I've ever tried |
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| 06:42.52 | piyush | hii |
| 06:43.17 | piyush | i want some information about gsoc |
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| 06:44.37 | piyush | hii |
| 06:44.59 | wslany | Hi, is it possible to search and read the irc logs (in order not to ask the same questions again)? |
| 06:45.02 | mmlevitt | gsoc2011 page back online |
| 06:45.12 | bugQ | !logs |
| 06:45.13 | socinfo | bugQ: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 06:45.34 | piyush | hii |
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| 06:46.17 | piyush | hii pr)ton |
| 06:46.28 | piyush | prOton |
| 06:46.38 | wslany | @socinfo: can we also search the logs? |
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| 06:47.15 | spparr | socinfo is a bot |
| 06:47.32 | wslany | Ahh, ok, sorry. |
| 06:47.43 | wslany | Anyone else knows how to search the logs? |
| 06:47.50 | thiago_home | wslany: Ctrl+F |
| 06:48.13 | thiago_home | wslany: download them all and grep |
| 06:48.13 | piyush | hey any one can help me?? |
| 06:48.24 | spparr | @piyush: with what? |
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| 06:49.06 | bugQ | wslany: or even http://www.google.com/search?q=site:http://ibot.rikers.org/%2523gsoc/ since google indexes gzips as well |
| 06:49.24 | wslany | OK, thanks! |
| 06:49.35 | piyush | hii spparr |
| 06:49.38 | piyush | actually i want some help about gsoc |
| 06:50.02 | spparr | What did you need help with? |
| 06:50.06 | thebolt | piyush: don't ask if someone can help you.. aks your question, if anyone knows the answer they will answer |
| 06:50.48 | piyush | how can i talk with some one from mentor organizations here |
| 06:51.14 | thiago_home | piyush: speak and they will answer. |
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| 06:51.24 | piyush | ok |
| 06:51.24 | thiago_home | piyush: if they aren't here, go to their IRC channels. |
| 06:51.35 | piyush | thanks thiagi_home |
| 06:51.49 | |Kev| | piyush: If you want a specific org, go to their page on melange and contact them from there. If you want generic mentorness, just ask here. |
| 06:51.55 | wslany | I checked but there was no answer, so I pose it here: |
| 06:51.59 | wslany | Is there a way to add tags to one's project description? We found we had forgotten some important ones? |
| 06:52.10 | piyush | how can i search for irc channels of different organizations |
| 06:52.11 | |Kev| | wslany: Yes, but it's missing at the moment. |
| 06:52.24 | wslany | When will it be back? |
| 06:52.29 | |Kev| | pygi: As I just said, go to their page on melange. |
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| 06:52.37 | spparr | @piyush: their websites should have information on how to contact them |
| 06:52.39 | |Kev| | wslany: I have no idea. |
| 06:53.01 | wslany | |Kev|: who might know? |
| 06:53.24 | |Kev| | The guys in #melange, but I'm sure they'll post to the gsoc-mentors list once it's fixed. |
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| 06:53.56 | wslany | |Kev|: Thank you! |
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| 06:56.18 | bugQ | piyush: find the org page from http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 06:56.46 | bugQ | if they don't list their IRC channel somewhere they probably don't have one |
| 06:57.00 | bugQ | or just don't want students there :P |
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| 06:57.26 | bugQ | oh cool he's not here. |
| 06:57.30 | bugQ | I need to sleep. |
| 06:57.41 | spparr | Probably |
| 06:58.13 | bugQ | right then |
| 07:00.10 | maverick | hii |
| 07:00.41 | maverick | on gsoc organizations can have more than one project |
| 07:00.44 | maverick | ? |
| 07:00.52 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 07:01.08 | maverick | students will have to do only one |
| 07:01.20 | maverick | and par student there is a mentor? |
| 07:01.23 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 07:01.33 | maverick | ok... |
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| 07:01.54 | maverick | Thanks....|Kev| |
| 07:02.08 | spparr | So you can apply to multiple projects for multiple organizations, right? |
| 07:02.13 | spparr | but you only get to do one? |
| 07:02.14 | |Kev| | Yes. |
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| 07:02.35 | spparr | I see, thanks |
| 07:02.49 | maverick | no i have not applied |
| 07:02.51 | maverick | yet |
| 07:03.21 | maverick | can i apply for more than one project |
| 07:03.22 | maverick | ? |
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| 07:03.45 | |Kev| | maverick: Read the reply to spparr. |
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| 07:04.42 | maverick | ok.. |
| 07:05.34 | spparr | Yes, you can. |
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| 08:03.06 | hiddenpearls | hi |
| 08:03.18 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: it seems the logos on the main page are changed now but still not random :/ |
| 08:03.30 | Nightrose | asked a few people and they all see the same orgs |
| 08:03.37 | Nightrose | or am i missing something? |
| 08:03.45 | hiddenpearls | I'm ex Google Summer of coder 2010, looking to see my previous years data |
| 08:04.04 | hiddenpearls | but, couldn't find link in new meelange UI |
| 08:04.28 | hiddenpearls | list of orgs etc |
| 08:04.36 | hiddenpearls | it is asking me to register |
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| 08:07.30 | |Kev| | Nightrose: Check the mailing list ): |
| 08:07.47 | |Kev| | Nightrose: They cycle (non-randomly) every 30mins (I think it was) |
| 08:07.50 | Nightrose | |Kev|: hmmm i think i have read everything there - what did i miss? |
| 08:07.56 | Nightrose | ah ok |
| 08:07.57 | |Kev| | Nightrose: Giving a period of something like 17 hours for a complete revolution. |
| 08:08.03 | Nightrose | sounds good |
| 08:08.04 | Nightrose | ok |
| 08:08.04 | Nightrose | thx |
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| 08:08.15 | scorche | alphabetically, yes |
| 08:08.29 | scorche | the mailing list mail should explain it all =) |
| 08:08.36 | Nightrose | looks if her inbox is dropping emails again |
| 08:09.02 | Nightrose | scorche: yeah - i usually read them all |
| 08:09.08 | Nightrose | and i did... - i think |
| 08:09.10 | scorche | hiddenpearls: the data is still there, but it has not been exposed to the public yet. give the melange team some more time ;) |
| 08:09.19 | |Kev| | Looks like whoever 'gambit' are, they screwed up their logo :) |
| 08:10.12 | scorche | Nightrose: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/msg/764766ddcf2ce1f2?hl=en |
| 08:10.24 | Nightrose | thx scorche |
| 08:10.43 | Nightrose | Oo |
| 08:10.47 | Nightrose | says i am not a member |
| 08:10.49 | Nightrose | wth |
| 08:11.00 | Nightrose | ah - probably with the other address... |
| 08:11.01 | scorche | Nightrose: odd - you should be at least from previous years |
| 08:11.05 | Nightrose | yeah |
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| 08:11.10 | scorche | make sure you are logged in with the correct address ;) |
| 08:11.32 | Nightrose | well they are all linked to the same account |
| 08:11.38 | Nightrose | but well |
| 08:11.44 | Nightrose | let's see if i can find it in trash |
| 08:13.03 | imploder | suggestion: the icons should have at least a title text with org's name as many (most?) of the org icons do not include the org's name. |
| 08:13.16 | Nightrose | scorche: hmmm no :/ can you give me the subject maybe? |
| 08:13.34 | scorche | Re: [Announce] ACTION REQUIRED |
| 08:13.49 | Nightrose | k |
| 08:14.20 | |Kev| | Nightrose: We'll have to add another Admin 'Don't' for "lose mail" :) |
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| 08:14.46 | Nightrose | scorche: my last email in that thread is from 28th - i will go and hit our sysadmins |
| 08:14.49 | Nightrose | |Kev|: yeah... |
| 08:14.50 | Nightrose | narf |
| 08:14.59 | scorche | Nightrose: Mar 30, 4:06 pm |
| 08:15.07 | Nightrose | thx |
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| 08:20.03 | aghisla | hi! i just found a broken link (gambit) in the 5 logos shown on the homepage. |
| 08:20.39 | scorche | aghisla: yes - we have seen it |
| 08:20.53 | scorche | we are guessing someone didnt upload their logo correctly ;) |
| 08:21.00 | aghisla | how do orgs submit the logo? sorry if i missed it |
| 08:21.08 | ojwb | aghisla: it's in the org profile |
| 08:21.10 | ojwb | new field |
| 08:21.13 | aghisla | thanks! |
| 08:21.19 | ojwb | should be url to image 65x65 max |
| 08:21.42 | scorche | aghisla: this is why one should pay attention to the mentors list - even if only the mails marked "[Announce] ACTION REQUIRED" ;) |
| 08:22.05 | aghisla | hehe i got flooded by mails these days and I missed that one :P |
| 08:23.23 | Nightrose | hmmm ok - sysadmin not helpful and i can't access the archive |
| 08:23.25 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 08:23.32 | Nightrose | goes and gets coffee |
| 08:23.46 | maverick | hii |
| 08:24.06 | maverick | the no. of students are equal to no. of mentors |
| 08:24.12 | maverick | ? |
| 08:24.30 | ojwb | maverick: well, depends what you're asking |
| 08:24.39 | ojwb | there's one official mentor assigned to each student |
| 08:24.49 | ojwb | but you may have comentors helping out |
| 08:25.16 | ojwb | and it's permitted (though really not recommended) for the same person to act as mentor to more than one student |
| 08:25.29 | maverick | ok... |
| 08:25.40 | maverick | comentors?? |
| 08:25.48 | maverick | ok |
| 08:25.51 | maverick | co mentor |
| 08:25.55 | maverick | ? |
| 08:26.00 | ojwb | yes |
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| 08:26.29 | ojwb | just another mentor - sometimes if the project requires help in multiple areas, for example |
| 08:26.36 | maverick | ok... |
| 08:26.58 | maverick | and who selects the mentor mentoring organization |
| 08:27.01 | maverick | ? |
| 08:27.05 | ojwb | and many orgs will have potential mentors at this point who won't get a student |
| 08:27.15 | ojwb | yes |
| 08:27.27 | maverick | who pays to them |
| 08:27.41 | maverick | google or mentoring organization? |
| 08:27.58 | |Kev| | Google selects the orgs and Google pays the students. |
| 08:28.07 | maverick | to mentors?? |
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| 08:28.30 | ojwb | some orgs pass on money to mentors |
| 08:28.34 | |Kev| | 'to mentors??' - can you use sentences please? I can't parse this. |
| 08:28.34 | ojwb | it isn't required to by google |
| 08:28.47 | maverick | ok.... |
| 08:28.48 | ojwb | google just pays the org |
| 08:29.13 | maverick | @ |Kev| who pays to mentors??? |
| 08:29.20 | maverick | ok |
| 08:29.23 | maverick | .. |
| 08:29.31 | |Kev| | Right, as ojwb says, the mentors don't get paid, just their org. |
| 08:29.32 | ojwb | you aren't being very coherent |
| 08:29.48 | |Kev| | What the org does with the money is no concern of GSoC. |
| 08:29.59 | maverick | ok... |
| 08:30.16 | ojwb | actually, strictly speaking google just pay it to who the org says |
| 08:30.24 | Nightrose | scorche: |Kev|: hmmm i can see other groups i am subscribed to with my kde.org address in the main groups page |
| 08:30.32 | Nightrose | maybe i have been unsubscribed? |
| 08:30.36 | scorche | shrugs |
| 08:30.51 | ojwb | so if the org can't hold funds directly, you can pay someone, or donate it another org |
| 08:30.58 | ojwb | or just not claim it |
| 08:31.10 | maverick | ok... |
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| 08:33.02 | maverick | and we can suggest our project or take one project that organization suggested in the Idea's list?? |
| 08:33.30 | ojwb | you can do either |
| 08:33.44 | |Kev| | Whichever you do, it's smart to talk to the org about it. |
| 08:33.52 | ojwb | yes |
| 08:33.58 | MatthewWilkes | This is why I ended up adding "Your own idea" to the Plone idea list, to make it explicit |
| 08:34.05 | ojwb | some student suggestions are brilliant, others just won't fly |
| 08:34.53 | scorche | Nightrose: looks like you may have to wait for carol or gamara to come along |
| 08:34.56 | scorche | i am off to bed =) |
| 08:35.20 | |Kev| | nn scorche |
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| 08:35.38 | maverick | ok |
| 08:35.48 | Nightrose | scorche: yeah - nini |
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| 08:44.14 | gevaerts | Did any if the ops unban kevin7kal? He got banned yesterday for having a messed up client that kept connecting and disconnecting, but he was here early this morning (with another nick) to complain, so I guess that problem has been fixed |
| 08:44.59 | jinu | is it possible to add our own idea in the application..or description of given idea? |
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| 08:45.54 | ojwb | jinu: yes for most orgs, but talk to them about it not us |
| 08:46.08 | jinu | ok thanks |
| 08:46.16 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I believe SRabbelier banned him with a message to get in contact when it was fixed. |
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| 08:46.55 | ojwb | he did get in contact, but didn't understand why |
| 08:47.05 | ojwb | I pasted the ban message, and he promptly disconnected... |
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| 08:47.32 | gevaerts | |Kev|: SRabbelier *tried* to set a ban message |
| 08:47.42 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Right. |
| 08:48.00 | gevaerts | What he actually did was ban other people too, like "your", "client", "keeps", and "disconnecting" |
| 08:48.09 | |Kev| | Yes. It was terribly amusing :) |
| 08:48.31 | gevaerts | Well, not for your, client, keeps and disconnecting. I bet they didn't laugh! |
| 08:49.03 | thebolt | or maybe they did, but we couldn't hear it ;) |
| 08:50.31 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 08:53.02 | dreimark | where are the gci project pages now? |
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| 09:05.03 | maverick | hii |
| 09:05.24 | maverick | there is template of application form is given on the site |
| 09:06.07 | maverick | is application form also given on the site |
| 09:06.08 | maverick | ? |
| 09:06.17 | |Kev| | maverick: Why not go have a look? |
| 09:06.37 | maverick | yaa i have searched for it |
| 09:06.44 | maverick | but did not find |
| 09:07.07 | |Kev| | Try reading the FAQ. |
| 09:07.21 | maverick | ok |
| 09:07.26 | |Kev| | (hint: yes, you apply through melange) |
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| 09:19.25 | ojwb | dreimark: gci and past years of gsoc aren't linked in currently |
| 09:19.35 | ojwb | if you know the url, they still work apparently |
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| 09:36.33 | akash | ny mentors there for ASF |
| 09:37.19 | MatthewWilkes | !anyone |
| 09:37.20 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 09:37.23 | MatthewWilkes | akash: ^^ |
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| 09:37.36 | dreimark | ojwb: the link gives a 404 |
| 09:38.13 | dreimark | http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/moinmoin |
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| 09:38.34 | lauri_ | morning |
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| 09:41.38 | ojwb | dreimark: i think it may not be the same link as before (unhelpfully) |
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| 10:37.41 | SRabbelier | Any org admins around that can confirm http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 is working properly now? |
| 10:38.26 | ojwb | SRabbelier: is for me |
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| 10:38.32 | ojwb | well, no scores in the project list |
| 10:38.33 | SRabbelier | ojwb: thanks |
| 10:38.40 | ojwb | but I assume that was rolled back? |
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| 10:39.22 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Yes, working for me to ta. |
| 10:40.10 | SRabbelier | ok, great |
| 10:40.16 | SRabbelier | ojwb: that should be fixed now actually |
| 10:40.17 | SRabbelier | let me check |
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| 10:45.04 | Nightrose | |Kev|: do you remember the date we wanted to publish the next blog? |
| 10:45.20 | |Kev| | Before the end of student applications - although I'd rather just do it ASAP :) |
| 10:45.35 | |Kev| | As we want to get mentors out before then as well IMO. |
| 10:45.42 | Nightrose | *nod* |
| 10:45.48 | Nightrose | i need to find time for it... |
| 10:45.56 | |Kev| | I think there's only one block I've not split into Do/Don't, yet. |
| 10:46.00 | Nightrose | |Kev|: should we invite ellen and stephanie already? |
| 10:46.06 | |Kev| | Entirely up to you :) |
| 10:46.12 | Nightrose | ok i'll do that then |
| 10:46.15 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
| 10:46.17 | Nightrose | maybe they'll help again too |
| 10:46.45 | |Kev| | I don't know how much they helped last time. One minute it was antipatterns, the next it was do/don't, but I think Donnie did most of that? |
| 10:46.48 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: works here too btw |
| 10:46.59 | Nightrose | |Kev|: heh nope - i think they did |
| 10:47.11 | |Kev| | Blimey. |
| 10:47.19 | Nightrose | :) |
| 10:48.47 | |Kev| | Well, hopefully much less work for them to do this time, then. |
| 10:49.05 | Nightrose | yeah |
| 10:49.10 | Nightrose | what you've done looks great |
| 10:49.22 | Nightrose | ok - invited |
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| 10:52.36 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: great |
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| 11:02.56 | Costash | Hi, I'm a student from Politehnic University of Bucharest, Romania and I am interested in the KDE Windows project. I want to apply for the first idea, "single applications", because it seems suited for me. My question is who should I talk to make an idea about how to apply for this project and how can I reach this person? |
| 11:03.42 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 11:03.44 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 11:10.48 | Kferd | does anybody know how someone can register as a mentor if he is already registered as a student? |
| 11:11.06 | coder89 | How can I submit my proposal? I can't find 'Submit your proposal' link on Google melange :( |
| 11:11.11 | |Kev| | kferd: Yes, and no. |
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| 11:11.16 | |Kev| | Oh, *how*. |
| 11:11.19 | |Kev| | That's not possible. |
| 11:11.29 | |Kev| | You can only be a mentor or a student, not both. |
| 11:11.34 | Kferd | so what can we do |
| 11:11.41 | MatthewWilkes | Kferd: Resign as a student |
| 11:11.53 | Kferd | cannot resign |
| 11:12.17 | MatthewWilkes | Kferd: It won't let you? |
| 11:12.50 | ojwb | they took it out of melange as too many people did it by mistake apparently |
| 11:13.07 | Kferd | if registered as student already, a second register is not possible, because the redirection goes to student register |
| 11:13.08 | ojwb | ask nicely on #melange and they can do it by hand |
| 11:13.18 | Kferd | ahh.. |
| 11:13.20 | Kferd | thank you |
| 11:13.26 | ojwb | coder89: go to the org's page |
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| 11:14.28 | coder89 | i am on this page and I only see 'Become a mentor' |
| 11:15.23 | Kferd | are you logged in in google account? |
| 11:15.40 | coder89 | Yes |
| 11:15.54 | Kferd | and are you registered as a student already? |
| 11:16.05 | Kferd | i cannot see this "become a mentor" |
| 11:16.21 | ojwb | Kferd: you can't if you're a student |
| 11:16.30 | ojwb | you can't be both |
| 11:16.36 | coder89 | where I can check if I am registered as a student? |
| 11:17.40 | Kferd | i dont know. i registered an then i realised, that i cannot deside if student or mentor |
| 11:21.05 | coder89 | How can I contact with administrator of google melange site? |
| 11:21.09 | jagan | coder89:- when u log on to the account the credentials for a student and a mentor will totally be different. check it out and u will now |
| 11:21.40 | jagan | i guess so.... :) |
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| 11:22.55 | coder89 | On the main page i see "Mentors: Apply now!" So I suppose that I'm registered as a mentor. Is there any way to change it? |
| 11:23.16 | Kferd | yes, and i only see " student, apply now" |
| 11:23.16 | jagan | then u r logged in as mentor, thats for sure |
| 11:23.35 | jagan | kfred:- then u r logged as student |
| 11:23.50 | Kferd | how can i change this |
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| 11:24.40 | jagan | i m new too!!, but as there are no options for changing it. either u can contact the admin or apply again with diff id!!! |
| 11:25.07 | ojwb | Kferd, coder89: ask on #melange |
| 11:25.17 | ojwb | (as I said already once) |
| 11:25.32 | Kferd | coder89: i did, but no answer yet |
| 11:25.43 | ojwb | be patient then |
| 11:25.48 | Kferd | thx |
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| 11:26.19 | ojwb | they're mostly in europe I think, so should be awake at least |
| 11:27.19 | jagan | the link is pretty active |
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| 11:46.55 | xudifsd | i know that student's application was start, should i submit my application right now in socghop or let my org to review it? |
| 11:47.43 | Talad | xudifsd: ask the org what they want to do, but be sure to submit your app anyway before 8th April |
| 11:48.08 | xudifsd | Talad: ok, thanks |
| 11:48.11 | MatthewWilkes | xudifsd: You can edit it after it's submitted - submit it now and ask for reviews I'd say |
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| 11:49.08 | xudifsd | MatthewWilkes: submit it means to submit to google or org? |
| 11:49.21 | |Kev| | To melange. |
| 11:49.45 | MatthewWilkes | xudifsd: Submitting it on the website only sends it to the org |
| 11:49.56 | MatthewWilkes | Google doesn't get involved in reviewing proposals or picking students |
| 11:50.48 | xudifsd | eh, it's means that i can submit first and ask org to review it online right? |
| 11:51.18 | MatthewWilkes | yep, they can post comments on the app and you can edit it and/or post replies to the comment |
| 11:51.19 | |Kev| | Yes. |
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| 11:51.24 | MatthewWilkes | and they get notified when you do it |
| 11:51.33 | MatthewWilkes | it's a good system |
| 11:51.39 | MatthewWilkes | </partridge> |
| 11:51.46 | xudifsd | ok, i see |
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| 11:53.09 | nishmu | MatthewWilkes: Accorindg to my org, Google *does see what a proposal looks like and make sure its a serious one. Org only collects proposals. |
| 11:53.25 | |Kev| | This is not correct. |
| 11:53.37 | |Kev| | Google can see proposals if they want to, but don't do any judging on them. |
| 11:53.47 | |Kev| | Orgs filter for spam proposals themselves. |
| 11:54.20 | nishmu | The first point of contact of a proposal is the org mentor right? |
| 11:54.54 | nishmu | they get it first, then the google allocates the slots |
| 11:54.56 | |Kev| | Whatever contact details the org gives on their page. |
| 11:55.20 | nishmu | by point of contact, i mean the first person to see the proposal |
| 11:55.29 | |Kev| | The org admins, and the org mentors can see all the proposals for the org, they choose which projects they want, and Google then say how many of them they're allowed, yes. |
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| 11:56.19 | MatthewWilkes | wishes someone would submit a proposal to Plone |
| 11:56.49 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: We've got 5 proposals. 2 of those seem to be a dupe, one is spam, and the others are borderline relevant. |
| 11:57.10 | MatthewWilkes | We have plenty of people on the mailing lists |
| 11:57.14 | MatthewWilkes | but I want them in melange |
| 11:57.17 | |Kev| | Yep. |
| 11:57.20 | |Kev| | I know that feeling. |
| 11:57.21 | MatthewWilkes | tries to relax |
| 11:57.23 | MatthewWilkes | Not an admin anymor |
| 11:57.24 | MatthewWilkes | e |
| 11:57.29 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 11:57.47 | dberkholz | |Kev|, Nightrose: they made the table and a few suggestions for titles of some of the do's, of which i used one or two. i did the rest |
| 11:57.50 | nishmu | more specifically i was told, that no matter how interesting the idea is to student or org, it has to comply to the standard requirements (intro, description, deliverables, timeline etc) |
| 11:58.10 | |Kev| | dberkholz: So good job :) |
| 11:58.11 | Nightrose | dberkholz: ah ok - sorry - and thanks! |
| 11:58.14 | MatthewWilkes | nishmu: That's a requirement of your organisiation, not Google |
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| 11:58.22 | MatthewWilkes | cannot type today |
| 11:58.29 | |Kev| | T O D A Y |
| 11:58.32 | |Kev| | wins |
| 11:58.38 | dberkholz | it just so happened that i was online about 2 minutes after ellen sent that email, so i spent a few hours working on it |
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| 11:59.24 | nishmu | thinks my org trying to be soft on students by putting all the stringent requirements on google |
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| 11:59.50 | MatthewWilkes | nishmu: A timetable isn't a stringent requirement, it's the least you can do |
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| 12:01.26 | dberkholz | |Kev|, Nightrose: they also made some other assorted small edits to remove overly complex words and american phrases |
| 12:01.32 | dberkholz | that's about it |
| 12:01.40 | dberkholz | anyway, i've gotta catch the bus to work |
| 12:01.42 | |Kev| | Cool. |
| 12:01.43 | Nightrose | k |
| 12:01.43 | |Kev| | Enjoy. |
| 12:01.45 | Nightrose | cya :) |
| 12:02.18 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, I have a problem getting one person in as mentor - I invited him but he does not see the invitation in the dashboard nor can I invite him again (interface says he is already invited...) |
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| 12:03.37 | fer_K | sonney2k: we have same problem. send an email to SRabbelier with desired link_id: of the request |
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| 12:05.16 | thebolt | hi mr MatthewWilkes , how's ife today? |
| 12:05.24 | sonney2k | fer_K, thx doing now |
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| 12:06.44 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: is he a student perhaps? |
| 12:06.51 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: That's Mr. Matt! |
| 12:06.57 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Good thanks, you? |
| 12:07.14 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: does his dashboard list requests at all? |
| 12:07.32 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, just sent you an email. Well he is not - maybe he has clicked the wrong knob at some stage |
| 12:07.35 | sonney2k | let me check |
| 12:07.36 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: can you fwd me that screenshot? |
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| 12:08.07 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, indeed - it does not list requests |
| 12:08.21 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: except for my cold and the associated troatpain and coughing, fine.. should sleep soon as it will be a late night tomorrow (going out to celebrate my soon upcoming birthday with lots of friends) but at the same time some code to write.. hard to decide ;) |
| 12:08.27 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, so what now? |
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| 12:08.52 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: he's a student then |
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| 12:08.57 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: I'll need to fix the code to check for that |
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| 12:09.37 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Birthday |
| 12:09.43 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Got your jokes for tomorrow ready? |
| 12:09.53 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, sorry for that... |
| 12:10.12 | fer_K | SRabbelier, me too, sorry for that |
| 12:10.17 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: nope |
| 12:10.34 | thebolt | and yea, some friends commented on the fact that i choose the 1st to celebrate it :P |
| 12:10.58 | MatthewWilkes | can't wait |
| 12:11.07 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: how about you?jokes prepared? ;) |
| 12:11.13 | MatthewWilkes | yep, almost finished |
| 12:11.39 | MatthewWilkes | It uses techs from 3 different GSoC orgs, actually |
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| 12:12.14 | thebolt | i never really cared much for april 1st :P |
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| 12:12.58 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: The best one I did as a kid was set all the clocks in the house forward an hour so my parents thought they were late for work |
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| 12:13.09 | MatthewWilkes | even got the one on the cooker, needed to find the manual to see how to set it |
| 12:13.22 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: hehe, nice :) |
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| 12:14.02 | aghisla | qgis sent an announcement about going closed source, two years ago |
| 12:14.17 | aghisla | and some people took it seriously :P |
| 12:14.21 | gevaerts | Those are getting a bit boring |
| 12:14.33 | gevaerts | We sold out to Apple two years ago |
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| 12:15.37 | thebolt | i think ti feels like first of april anytime I hear any news related to DNF ;) |
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| 12:16.11 | gevaerts | Last year I did a smurf variant of the homepage |
| 12:16.19 | gevaerts | "Rockbox is an open smurf smurf for mp3 smurfs, smurfed from scratch. It smurfs on a wide range of smurfs" |
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| 12:17.19 | MatthewWilkes | We announced Zope 4 a couple of years back |
| 12:17.32 | MatthewWilkes | It had letlets, a framework for creating frameworks to create snippets of HTML |
| 12:17.41 | MatthewWilkes | playing off our portlets and viewlets that are quite hated |
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| 12:19.20 | kevinkalupson | MattewWilkes: Zope 4 you say? tell me more |
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| 12:19.35 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: smurftastic |
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| 12:20.23 | MatthewWilkes | kevinkalupson: ZCML was ditched in favour of a dialect of HTML |
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| 12:20.44 | MatthewWilkes | viewlets were given requestlets that had the referrer set to the parent view |
| 12:20.45 | MatthewWilkes | etc |
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| 12:49.06 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: http://rockbox.hostname.be/smurf/ has the full page |
| 12:49.44 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: hehe, nice |
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| 12:51.24 | Uli- | SRabbelier: i rejected a mentor request because i couldn't establish his identity but it turns out that it was valid. the mentor can't reapply because melange tells him that he has been rejected before. |
| 12:51.49 | Uli- | SRabbelier: can you somehow reset the status of the application or something? |
| 12:52.02 | SRabbelier | Uli-: see my reply on the ML |
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| 12:52.11 | Uli- | didn't come through yet. |
| 12:52.17 | Uli- | waits |
| 12:53.05 | Uli- | SRabbelier: there is no accept button. |
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| 12:53.25 | SRabbelier | Uli-: url? |
| 12:53.30 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 12:53.31 | Uli- | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/request/google/gsoc2011/6456239 |
| 12:53.31 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 12:53.47 | SRabbelier | Uli-: ^ |
| 12:54.20 | Uli- | firefox user. |
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| 12:56.57 | SRabbelier | Uli-: use somethign else then :P |
| 12:57.16 | Uli- | SRabbelier: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/ustaerk/screenshot.png |
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| 12:57.47 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, we should do a berlin meetup |
| 12:58.13 | Uli- | you from berlin as well? |
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| 12:58.28 | MatthewWilkes | Uli-: Live here, yeah |
| 12:58.34 | SRabbelier | Uli-: and you an admin from that org? |
| 12:59.16 | Uli- | SRabbelier: im one of the ASF admins, along with norman maurer, yes |
| 12:59.33 | SRabbelier | Uli-: your link_id/ |
| 12:59.37 | SRabbelier | ? |
| 12:59.43 | Uli- | uli |
| 12:59.46 | MatthewWilkes | Uli-: I know there's a PSF mentor that lives in Rudow too, not sure how many others |
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| 13:06.22 | fe2k | SRabbelier: did u get any mail message? |
| 13:06.28 | SRabbelier | !patience |
| 13:06.30 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 13:06.38 | fe2k | ok, sorry |
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| 13:16.46 | kevinkalupson | matthewwilkes: We have one student who intends to propose an android app for plone. |
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| 13:17.10 | |Kev| | Well that sounds strange. What would it do? |
| 13:17.21 | kai | what |Kev| said |
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| 13:18.21 | kevinkalupson | |Kev| kai - what I said was strange? |
| 13:18.57 | kai | plone is a cms, right? |
| 13:19.17 | kevinkalupson | yes it is |
| 13:19.19 | kai | what would a mobile app for this do that a normal browser wouldn't? |
| 13:19.37 | kai | apart from sounding cool and modern? |
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| 13:21.21 | kevinkalupson | kai: manage content - work flow transition notifications, etc |
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| 13:21.56 | kai | but that's what a browser would do, right? |
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| 13:22.55 | kevinkalupson | not sure a browser can be backgrounded for notifications - or easily linked to the camera/gallery |
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| 13:23.35 | kai | ok, there we are with additional features.. makes sense then, I guess |
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| 13:27.58 | kevinkalupson | kai: that's a good way to put it. |
| 13:28.39 | |Kev| | That sounds less strange than the initial impression. |
| 13:29.04 | |Kev| | Although not as exciting as our application for ANDRIOD |
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| 13:29.12 | kevinkalupson | heh |
| 13:29.21 | |Kev| | which has a short description saying "pick me", and a submission containing our template. |
| 13:29.21 | ojwb | so many mobile apps seem like they could just have run in a browser |
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| 13:30.37 | kevinkalupson | I haven't done anything with mobile apps - i have been guessing that the UIs are html based, but I'm probably wrong |
| 13:31.19 | |Kev| | What the smeg? |
| 13:32.07 | |Kev| | So, a student submitted duplicate applications, for the wrong org (These are Xapian projects, I'm XMPP.) |
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| 13:32.43 | |Kev| | I pointed out that they'd submitted to the wrong org, and they said "sorry, updated", and replaced the application title with one from our wiki page...but left all the content the same. |
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| 13:33.51 | ojwb | |Kev|: it's OK, you can keep our spam |
| 13:34.16 | |Kev| | ojwb: Ah, you're Xapian? |
| 13:34.19 | ojwb | indeed |
| 13:34.26 | |Kev| | Thing is, this doesn't look like spam, it looks like a sensible application. |
| 13:34.33 | ojwb | oh, who from? |
| 13:34.51 | ojwb | pm if you feel appropriate |
| 13:34.56 | |Kev| | Already have :) |
| 13:35.11 | ojwb | hmm, not seeing it |
| 13:35.36 | |Kev| | For the project "SWIG-based Java Bindings or Improve Spelling Correctian" |
| 13:35.40 | |Kev| | *Correction |
| 13:35.52 | |Kev| | Or, as one of the two applications is now: File Transfer Support. |
| 13:36.09 | ojwb | boggles |
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| 13:36.50 | dberkholz | we've got a couple with so few details that you practically could change the title and submit the same content. |
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| 13:40.39 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Yay, I want to mentor that one! |
| 13:40.57 | MatthewWilkes | oope |
| 13:41.05 | MatthewWilkes | kevinkalupson: Yay, can I mentor it if it's ok? |
| 13:42.03 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I hate banks. You're £217.92 overdrawn. "What? Why?" When you called up to pay your balance when you accidentally went overdrawn last year you only paid the balance, not the pending charges that we hadn't taken yet |
| 13:42.07 | MatthewWilkes | ⦠|
| 13:42.55 | kevinkalupson | matthewwilkes: thats why i mention it :-) |
| 13:43.12 | MatthewWilkes | kevinkalupson: Anyone we know? On melange yet? |
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| 13:47.48 | kevinkalupson | matthewwilkes: he's an intern in weblion until the end of this semester |
| 13:49.18 | MatthewWilkes | god bless PSU |
| 13:49.27 | kevinkalupson | he's an information technology student at penn state - has done an android app before - we've been teaching him pone |
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| 13:49.54 | MatthewWilkes | kevinkalupson: Would it be easier if I was the customer and one of you guys mentored, then? |
| 13:49.59 | MatthewWilkes | as he's in your offices |
| 13:50.11 | kevinkalupson | heh - we're hoping the state legislature blesses psu right now - ugg |
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| 13:51.46 | kevinkalupson | matthewwilkes: let's think about it - talk about it more. I think that when the student can walk into the office so easily they are less likely to interact through irc and mailing lists - though this guy is pretty good at it |
| 13:52.25 | MatthewWilkes | right |
| 13:52.44 | MatthewWilkes | that makes sense, does he have weblion stuff he needs to do too, then? |
| 13:53.07 | kevinkalupson | he doesn't - his internship ends |
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| 13:53.58 | kevinkalupson | a good question for me to ask is his plans for the summer - I think he lives a few hours away from campus and will probably move home for the summer |
| 13:54.34 | MatthewWilkes | ah, misread semester as summer |
| 13:54.47 | MatthewWilkes | okay, I'd be happy to then |
| 13:55.13 | kevinkalupson | I have to run now - taking some "vacation" to do some painting |
| 13:55.35 | MatthewWilkes | enjoy! |
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| 13:57.36 | deshantm_laptop | just a clarification question, is it OK to apply twice to the same organization? All of the docs refer to applying to different orgs. |
| 13:57.44 | marcg | yes |
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| 13:59.20 | raincole | If I want some pictures in my proposal content, can I use HTML <img> directly? |
| 13:59.43 | marcg | I think the wysiwyg allows you to insert images, but I am not sure |
| 14:00.00 | raincole | The embedded wysiwyg editor has not images button.. |
| 14:00.14 | marcg | alrighty then, nevermind |
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| 14:00.44 | raincole | I try drag-drop a .png into it, but not works |
| 14:01.03 | marcg | try the <img>, and let us know how it works ;) |
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| 14:01.52 | raincole | I tried. It seems working but I'm not sure |
| 14:02.16 | raincole | it displays the picture, at least. |
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| 14:02.36 | marcg | very nice! |
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| 14:04.31 | Shekhar29 | Should I apply application to the organization before contacting the organization in irc? |
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| 14:04.48 | marcg | Shekhar29, would suggest no, but it is up to you ultimately |
| 14:04.52 | marcg | I would* |
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| 14:05.42 | marcg | I think it is good practice to contact them through irc, but I suppose it technically doesn't matter because you can edit your application if needbe |
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| 14:05.51 | MatthewWilkes | Shekhar29: I doubt it matters as long as you get in contact around the same time |
| 14:06.02 | Shekhar29 | ok |
| 14:06.04 | MatthewWilkes | Shekhar29: delaying your application by a few days won't fool us |
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| 14:07.12 | dberkholz | if it's an original idea, i'd talk to them first |
| 14:07.12 | Shekhar29 | to completing as student on GSoC what the requirement? |
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| 14:07.18 | dberkholz | if it's off their ideas page, not so important |
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| 14:10.07 | MatthewWilkes | +1 |
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| 14:10.53 | AlexP | I'd still talk first, unless you know the project well |
| 14:11.09 | AlexP | But yes, as you can edit the application it isn't too important |
| 14:11.28 | AlexP | I like to see people around and discussing, and showing an interest mainly |
| 14:11.59 | bobbens | it's all fun and games until the mentors get DDoSd by emails |
| 14:12.46 | AlexP | There is the mentor list for that :) |
| 14:13.11 | bobbens | one of the orgs I'm applying to has few mentors and is totally swamped :) |
| 14:13.11 | AlexP | I would quite like an email to tell me when applications/comments get added |
| 14:13.20 | bobbens | so no real feedback cycle there :) |
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| 14:27.52 | manuee | hi everyone |
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| 14:28.08 | manuee | what kind of "salary" does a gsoc tutor get? |
| 14:28.13 | manuee | anyone knows? |
| 14:28.23 | snc | tutor or mentor? |
| 14:28.37 | borja | manuee: they don't. The mentoring organization gets $500 per students, and it's up to the org to decide what to do with that money |
| 14:28.44 | manuee | humm didnt know there were different roles :X |
| 14:28.47 | bobbens | borja: didn't they change that? |
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| 14:28.58 | snc | mentor is an official role, tutor might be a position filled outside the program |
| 14:29.01 | borja | Some orgs do give the $500 to their mentors, but others use it to invest in infrastructure, servers, etc. |
| 14:29.12 | manuee | ah i see |
| 14:29.13 | borja | bobbens: I don't think so. |
| 14:29.20 | manuee | well thanks guys that's been realy helpful |
| 14:29.38 | borja | goes to check the faq |
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| 14:30.32 | borja | The faq says "and 500 USD goes to the mentoring organization" (per student) |
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| 14:31.27 | bobbens | ah |
| 14:31.35 | bobbens | so they just increased it from 4500 to 5000 |
| 14:31.40 | bobbens | and kept mentor the same |
| 14:31.45 | bobbens | I thought they reshifted or something |
| 14:31.45 | |Kev| | It was 5000 last year as well wasn't it? |
| 14:31.51 | bobbens | yeah |
| 14:31.53 | bobbens | I'm slow :) |
| 14:31.59 | bobbens | has 2 year lag |
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| 14:41.49 | raincole | I know the <img> works(likely). But should I put pictures in my proposal? Or I must sent a plain text? Or it depends on org? |
| 14:45.23 | dberkholz | we got some flowcharts in ours, they're helpful |
| 14:45.32 | dberkholz | from shared google docs |
| 14:46.15 | gevaerts | raincole: I'd say it depends on the proposal, not on the organisation |
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| 14:47.12 | raincole | So google doesn't have rules about it? |
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| 14:49.02 | raincole | this page(http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/writing-a-proposal/) says: |
| 14:49.11 | raincole | If you feel you must have graphical or interactive content associated with your application, put just this content (not a copy of your proposal) on the web and provide an easy-to-type URL. Do not expect reviewers to follow this link. |
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| 14:49.48 | raincole | I don't understand. It means we should embed pictures or externally like? |
| 14:49.52 | raincole | link |
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| 14:51.25 | imploder | raincole: AFAIK it's not possible to embed anyhting, to link is the only option |
| 14:51.50 | raincole | but I can use the <img> in content. I tried |
| 14:52.55 | imploder | but even then, the <img> has to link somewhere (<img src="http://somwhere.net/image.png">) |
| 14:53.42 | raincole | Uh, what I mean is, use <img> or <a> |
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| 14:54.33 | imploder | could be. ask carol or someone else knowledgable to be sure. |
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| 14:55.51 | imploder | raincole: I wouldn't do it, but if you want, just try and see. i guess if you see it correctly then everyone will. |
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| 14:57.59 | raincole | It works. I just doubt whether it's permitted by google. They don't display a "insert a image" button... |
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| 14:59.25 | imploder | raincole: IMHO there would not be the option (either with a button or just tags) if they wanted to not permit it |
| 15:00.06 | |Kev| | I'd use imagine sparingly. |
| 15:00.38 | imploder | *imagine ... you mean "images"? |
| 15:00.43 | |Kev| | FWIW if I received a proposal, it had images in, and they really added something, I'd consider it a good thing. If they seemed gratuitous, a bad thing. |
| 15:00.46 | |Kev| | I do. |
| 15:01.04 | raincole | It's reasonable. I'm just too careful:) |
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| 15:06.29 | gancient | Hi all, is it possible for the portal to send an email to the author of the proposal , when someone comments ? |
| 15:06.37 | Shekhar29 | what are is required to complete as student in GSoC 11 |
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| 15:06.50 | |Kev| | gancient: That is, I believe, in the works. |
| 15:06.54 | |Kev| | Shekhar29: Read the FAQ. |
| 15:07.00 | Shekhar29 | ok |
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| 15:09.24 | gancient | |Kev|: it is being implemented in melange trunk or the portal for this gsoc ? |
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| 15:09.52 | |Kev| | No idea. |
| 15:10.03 | gancient | |Kev|: ok |
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| 15:11.06 | dberkholz | !eligibility |
| 15:11.22 | dberkholz | socinfo: c'mon, step up. |
| 15:11.56 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 15:11.58 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
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| 15:17.18 | kai | !learn eligibility as Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 15:17.19 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:17.47 | |Kev| | Because we needed a sixth version of that factoid :D |
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| 15:22.37 | gevaerts | |Kev|: only the third I think :) |
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| 16:17.15 | |Kev| | Morning carols. |
| 16:17.30 | gevaerts | Have some cookies! |
| 16:17.35 | carols | morning |Kev| |
| 16:17.40 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 16:17.47 | carols | munches some breakfast cookies |
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| 16:18.59 | thiago | eats some cookies too |
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| 17:20.25 | carols | looks around |
| 17:20.29 | carols | quiet in here today |
| 17:20.32 | carols | is suspicious |
| 17:20.42 | beng-nl | tippy-toes again |
| 17:20.52 | beng-nl | be vewwy vewwy quiet.. |
| 17:20.53 | carols | wonders what trouble the mentors are getting into |
| 17:21.12 | carols | beng-nl: we're hunting wabbits? :-) |
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| 17:21.53 | bobbens | carols: it's furious proposal writing time :) |
| 17:22.08 | bobbens | smoke coming out of keyboards and all :) |
| 17:22.19 | carols | bobbens: but the mentors aren't submitting proposals, where are they? :-) |
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| 17:22.47 | bobbens | carols: they're fighting the incoming horde of student spam and requests to review proposals :) |
| 17:22.52 | gevaerts | carols: the mentors are obviously trying to figure out what to complain about next :) |
| 17:23.06 | carols | gevaerts: you hit the nail on the head with that one :-) |
| 17:23.23 | gevaerts | carols: I am a mentor, I should know! |
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| 17:23.34 | carols | gevaerts: of course :-) |
| 17:24.07 | joaoprudencio | question: should I find a mentor before making my proposal? |
| 17:25.35 | gevaerts | joaoprudencio: that will depend on the organisation. Try to talk to them first. |
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| 17:26.21 | gevaerts | Some organisations won't have assigned mentors to projects yet. I know we (at rockbox) like to wait with that until we know the students a bit so we can try to find a good match |
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| 17:55.16 | oopsingh | hi every one |
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| 17:55.56 | oopsingh | can we propose project what is on idea page of organization |
| 17:56.23 | carols | oopsingh: contact the organization and propose it |
| 17:56.26 | Myth17 | how long does it take to get feedback on your application? i submitted on 28th and am yet to get a response. |
| 17:56.36 | carols | Myth17: you should ask the org that. |
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| 17:56.52 | Myth17 | carols, yup they say soon :) |
| 17:57.06 | dberkholz | Myth17: it varies a lot. some orgs may even purposely wait till the deadline and evaluate everything all at once. |
| 17:57.18 | Myth17 | dberkholz, why this approach? |
| 17:57.35 | dberkholz | you can be more consistent if you do everything in one big chunk |
| 17:57.50 | oopsingh | can we propose project what is on idea page of organization??? |
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| 17:58.01 | Myth17 | isnt the whole application perriod time sups to be for improving your application with the help of mentors? |
| 17:58.13 | dberkholz | we don't do it that way because the downsides are significant |
| 17:58.19 | dberkholz | but there's points to be said for it |
| 17:58.43 | dhaun | oopsingh: yes, that's why they are there in the first place |
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| 17:59.16 | oopsingh | thaks |
| 17:59.22 | Myth17 | like when i submitted my application, i did with best of my efforts. i wont usually mAke a change unless i am pointed out on it. :| |
| 17:59.30 | drt24 | Myth17: giving feedback to the students who have contacted me has resulted in my sending _many_ emails with feedback and answering questions, not all mentors will want/be able to do that. |
| 18:00.01 | drt24 | and there are still 8 days left ;-) |
| 18:00.23 | Myth17 | drt24, but what about commenting on your application? thats differnt from private email conversatIon |
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| 18:03.05 | drt24 | true |
| 18:03.33 | drt24 | ask them on their irc channel or similar? |
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| 18:17.22 | imploder | (just trying if I can post here, there was a message like "this nickname is registered, please choose a different nickname by /msg NickServ <password>") |
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| 18:18.29 | imploder | *or verify by /msg... etc |
| 18:18.41 | dhaun | imploder: you can use it until the real owner comes along and claims it - shouldn't stop you from posting |
| 18:19.48 | imploder | i am the real owner. i obeyed the notice to register our nickname that appeared here today, so i registered and verified my nickname. |
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| 18:20.08 | imploder | thx for info btw |
| 18:20.41 | dhaun | then you have nothing to fear :) |
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| 18:21.46 | gevaerts | imploder: /whois seems to say you're not logged in |
| 18:22.03 | summatusmentis | imploder: that message means it wants you to identify |
| 18:22.13 | summatusmentis | you can use /mnt nickserv identify <password> |
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| 18:22.32 | summatusmentis | err.... /msg, not /mnt |
| 18:22.41 | summatusmentis | stupid muscle memeory |
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| 18:24.26 | imploder | how come i can write normally then? |
| 18:24.34 | imploder | and you see it |
| 18:24.44 | summatusmentis | you can use irc without having a registered/identified nickname |
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| 18:24.58 | eoc | unless channels require it |
| 18:25.02 | summatusmentis | right |
| 18:25.18 | summatusmentis | but if you want to use the same nick over and over again, registering/identifying ensures that it's yours |
| 18:25.59 | summatusmentis | its? meh, I can never remember |
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| 18:26.53 | imploder | right, and before, i probably *had* a registered nickname (i created the irc account on freenode.net in pidgin). is there a way to automate it so i will be registered (as before) without having to type the command every time i come? |
| 18:27.32 | summatusmentis | once you've registered, you just need to identify. automating it will be client specific |
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| 18:28.10 | StrangeLoop | Hi, how do I remove an application? Couldn't find such an option on the site... |
| 18:28.16 | imploder | i think it doesn't matter here so what... who cares |
| 18:28.22 | Prasath | Hi got a prob with street address how to i represent 9/9? |
| 18:29.02 | imploder | Prasath: slash is not allowed (don't ask me why), the admins suggested using space |
| 18:29.23 | dhaun | StrangeLoop: I don't think you can, but you can edit it - leave a not that you don't want to apply for that project any more |
| 18:29.39 | Prasath | imploder: Thanks |
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| 18:30.46 | dhaun | !shipping |
| 18:30.47 | socinfo | dhaun: "shipping" is See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 and http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
| 18:30.54 | dhaun | imploder: ^^^ this is why ... |
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| 18:32.13 | imploder | dhaun: yeah, now i remember they talked about it |
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| 18:57.19 | CrawfordComeaux | If a student gives consent, can I display their proposal for other students to see what we're looking for? |
| 18:57.51 | sumanah | CrawfordComeaux: some of our students put up their proposals in public |
| 18:58.00 | sumanah | to get feedback from lots of developers/mentors |
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| 19:00.35 | Myth17 | when editing my gsoc application do i need to mention it as an update with the specific date or just update the original draft? |
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| 19:05.55 | Myth17 | sorry for duplicate question, I get freq disconeection on freenode :( "when editing my gsoc application do i need to mention it as an update with the specific date or just update the original draft?" |
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| 19:18.15 | omegaphi | hi, how do I insert an image in my proposal? I do not see any option for that in wyswyg editor :( |
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| 19:19.10 | omegaphi | anyone ? hi, how do I insert an image in my proposal? |
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| 19:24.41 | abhinav- | What documents does Google ask for as proof of enrollment from the accepted students ? |
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| 19:27.14 | deekay | abhinav-: Photo of yout student's ID should be enough. |
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| 19:28.55 | apurvtwr | do we have to insert the image of our photo ID in the proposal? |
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| 19:29.10 | ojwb | apurvtwr: you don't need to |
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| 19:29.20 | ojwb | google will ask for it if you are accepted |
| 19:29.39 | apurvtwr | that seems more reasonable |
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| 19:30.32 | abhinav- | deekay, thanks. Will a written letter confriming my student status at the college be acceptable ? I shifted to a new address recently and my colllege ID still has the old address on it ? |
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| 19:31.36 | deekay | abhinav-: I believe it should be fine as well... I wouldn't worry too much about it. |
| 19:31.47 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 19:31.49 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
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| 19:32.33 | ojwb | provided you are eligible, I'd worry about proving it later |
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| 19:33.19 | abhinav- | deekay , ojwb : thanks. that clears the things :) |
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| 19:45.04 | dis | after mentor applies, before he can see any proposals, etc the org admin has to approve him, right ? |
| 19:45.23 | sumanah | yes, unless the mentor has already been invited by the org admin |
| 19:45.29 | dis | thanks |
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| 20:22.20 | CrawfordComeaux | A student is working on a proposal to implement a system to perform social media analytics, including determining last known location. Would it be wise for him to integrate Creepy into his proposal? (just released python app for last know locations via social media) |
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| 20:34.56 | giova | I want register as a Student (link id giovanni.mesolella@hotmail.it) but form says "this link ID is in wrong format2 |
| 20:35.31 | giova | where I am wrong? |
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| 20:36.40 | gevaerts | giova: the link_id is some sort of nickname |
| 20:36.47 | dhaun | !linkid |
| 20:36.48 | socinfo | dhaun: "linkid" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
| 20:37.09 | gevaerts | oh, there *is* a factoid about it! Good :) |
| 20:37.39 | dhaun | guess who added it ;-) |
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| 21:48.34 | bdamos | Hello, is there any compilation of rejected organizations? |
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| 21:50.22 | gevaerts | no |
| 21:50.52 | efes | bdamos: Rejected? |
| 21:51.28 | efes | bdamos: In GSoC you can apply only to orgs whose have been selected by Google and invited to participate. |
| 21:51.37 | bdamos | yeah. I'm not competent enough for this year's soc, but i was thinking a rejected org. might be willing to mentor me on a project. |
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| 21:53.06 | efes | bdamos: I don't understand. |
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| 21:54.19 | dberkholz | bdamos: if you apply to gsoc but don't get in, google will give you some cool stuff if you do your project anyway |
| 21:54.36 | dberkholz | like a nifty t-shirt |
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| 21:55.05 | efes | and cool stipend |
| 21:55.14 | gevaerts | efes: ? |
| 21:55.20 | dberkholz | well, you don't get that part |
| 21:55.26 | dberkholz | that's only if you're accepted |
| 21:55.29 | efes | aah.... don't get ;D |
| 21:55.31 | efes | sorry :D |
| 21:55.37 | efes | over-beer-ed :D |
| 21:55.42 | gevaerts | And the t-shirt isn't the "official" gsoc t-shirt |
| 21:55.56 | gevaerts | So maybe it's *more* exclusive :) |
| 21:56.11 | dberkholz | it is, if you consider how few people had the determination to do what it takes to get it |
| 21:56.23 | dberkholz | i bet i could count them on my hands |
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| 21:57.19 | bdamos | efes: i feel like i won't get into a gsoc project because i don't really know much, but i like the concept and want to find a project that i could work on from an organization for no pay, and i thought the rejected orgs would be a good spot to look for willing places |
| 21:57.54 | bdamos | dberkholz: it seems to me like every project will be taken by all of the students applying |
| 21:58.51 | dberkholz | bdamos: if you go to an org's mailing list / irc channel, some ideas are inexplicably far more popular than others |
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| 21:59.06 | dberkholz | bdamos: besides, you don't have to apply for an idea somebody else came up with, you can do your own |
| 21:59.44 | efes | bdamos: Mention the orgs whose haven't been invited to GSoC, e.g.: Exposong. They tried, but unfortunately.. |
| 22:00.51 | bdamos | efes: that's what i'm asking for; if there's a list of those orgs |
| 22:00.55 | eoc | you could try to check logs of the meeting carol held for rejected orgs |
| 22:01.19 | eoc | those that care about her remarks will probably be better suited anyways ;-) |
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| 22:05.39 | efes | bdamos: Ask on mailing list :) |
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| 22:07.30 | efes | Can someone tell me what version is correct? Ask on/at/via/by mailing list? |
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| 22:08.42 | gevaerts | I'd say "on the mailing list" |
| 22:09.00 | efes | Daarn... really hard language. |
| 22:09.13 | eoc | in such cases I tend to use @ML :) |
| 22:09.25 | efes | hahahh :D |
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| 22:17.52 | dayoung | quick question, during the interim period can students still update their proposals? |
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| 22:19.35 | efes | dayoung: No! |
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| 22:20.56 | efes | March 28th - April 6th: upload+upgrade+upload+upgrade+,,, |
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| 22:22.40 | dayoung | well it says "Mentoring organizations review and rank student proposals; where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant." |
| 22:22.46 | dayoung | but I guess that means private email |
| 22:22.58 | gevaerts | comments |
| 22:23.09 | dayoung | ah k |
| 22:25.51 | beng-nl | in the past that has meant posting on the proposal itself |
| 22:26.09 | beng-nl | viewable by the potential mentors and student |
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| 22:37.16 | borja | !numapps |
| 22:37.17 | socinfo | borja: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 22:39.04 | dayoung | gevaerts, beng-nl, efes: thanks |
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| 22:48.19 | madhatted | All the programming I have done has been academic, does this mean I have a very low chance of being accepted? |
| 22:48.48 | dayoung | madhatted: no |
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| 22:51.07 | gevaerts | !goodenough |
| 22:51.09 | socinfo | gevaerts: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 22:51.38 | madhatted | thank you! |
| 22:51.47 | dayoung | is there such a thing as being over qualified |
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| 22:53.04 | efes | borja: Where's the description of bots commands? |
| 22:53.34 | dayoung | !help |
| 22:53.35 | socinfo | dayoung: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 22:53.48 | Talad|ZzZ | Hi |
| 22:53.50 | Talad|ZzZ | is there a way to delete a proposal if it's a duplicate? |
| 22:54.00 | dayoung | update and then withdraw |
| 22:54.21 | Talad|ZzZ | as a mentor |
| 22:54.24 | Talad|ZzZ | or org admin |
| 22:54.46 | dayoung | ah nvm |
| 22:57.07 | efes | Bye guys, time to sleep ;) |
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| 23:00.24 | gangil | How much detailed should a proposal be? |
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| 23:00.34 | gangil | Code snippets? |
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| 23:02.16 | marcg | gangil, try talking to the org about that -- ask them wht they expect |
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| 23:21.16 | JanisB | probably offtopic but... Is it possible to know whether I have replied to message in google-groups and can't see it in thread due to moderator validation delay OR it is browser/internet glitch and answer wasn't sent at all? |
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| 23:36.07 | kstar | madrazr: I like the new melange interface. Thanks. |
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| 23:36.31 | madrazr | kstar: You are welcome! :) |
| 23:36.39 | madrazr | kstar: Thanks for the positive feedback! |
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| 23:39.14 | kstar | Okay, time to get home. |
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| 23:41.32 | dberkholz | JanisB: use the web interface to google groups |
| 23:42.02 | JanisB | dberkholz, I am asking exactly about reply that was "sent" over web-interface |
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| 23:44.18 | dberkholz | if it's in the archive, it made it |
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