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| 00:00.30 | wtachi | zhangbei: you should probably leave it private, unless you want to share it with people |
| 00:01.16 | ojwb | the urls aren't too hard to guess this year, if you know the student's link id |
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| 00:02.15 | SRabbelier | zhangbei: hey, doesn't it say now? |
| 00:02.23 | SRabbelier | zhangbei: below the checkbox |
| 00:02.32 | SRabbelier | zhangbei: I totally added an explanation |
| 00:02.38 | zhangbei | wtachi: sorry, I'm new to IRC :(. If I want to reply someone, I just type his ID and a ':' right? |
| 00:03.28 | wtachi | yes |
| 00:03.42 | wtachi | you can even leave it off, if it's clear who you're talking to |
| 00:04.08 | saksham | how many students took part in GSoC last year? |
| 00:04.14 | zhangbei | wtachi: Thank you for advice :) |
| 00:04.16 | ojwb | SRabbelier: do we have email notification yet? (not nagging, just wondering if I should try to ping students by hand) |
| 00:04.18 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 00:04.20 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 00:04.24 | ojwb | saksham: ^ |
| 00:04.40 | ojwb | they're expecting to accept more this year, not heard a number yet |
| 00:04.54 | SRabbelier | ojwb: no, because Ace made me work on randomized homepage stuff ;) |
| 00:05.11 | ojwb | good for Ace! |
| 00:05.21 | saksham | I mean how many "try"? How many send proposals.. |
| 00:05.42 | saksham | Don't they realise this info? |
| 00:05.47 | saksham | *release |
| 00:06.03 | MatthewWilkes | saksham: See the info above that ojwb pointed to |
| 00:06.14 | ojwb | 3464 sent proposals last year... |
| 00:06.18 | jrabbit | filling in the reg, are the shirts' sizing the same as the GCI ones? |
| 00:06.26 | in3xes | What if I have '/' in my address. I can't participage in GSoC? :P |
| 00:06.34 | wtachi | !address |
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| 00:06.37 | wtachi | forgot |
| 00:06.44 | saksham | ohh i didnt notice that |
| 00:06.47 | brlcad | SRabbelier: randomized "top five" orgs on the main page? |
| 00:06.50 | saksham | :P |
| 00:06.55 | ojwb | you'll need to find a way to write it without a / |
| 00:07.15 | alinrus | brlcad, just use space, this is what i did |
| 00:07.15 | ojwb | like "apartment 4" or similar |
| 00:07.27 | wtachi | !shipping |
| 00:07.28 | socinfo | wtachi: "shipping" is See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 and http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
| 00:07.29 | ojwb | or use a different address |
| 00:07.30 | brlcad | alinrus: hm? |
| 00:07.31 | laserbled | use - may be |
| 00:07.44 | alinrus | i'm not sure you can use dashes |
| 00:07.46 | MatthewWilkes | If you use official transliterations it should be fine |
| 00:07.49 | SRabbelier | brlcad: the very same |
| 00:07.56 | zgreg | so the acceptance chances are about 30%? |
| 00:07.58 | brlcad | SRabbelier: ah, nifty |
| 00:08.00 | wtachi | !odds |
| 00:08.02 | socinfo | wtachi: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 00:08.16 | MatthewWilkes | Personally, I live on Erich-Weinert-StraÃe. I can get post to ErichWeinertStrasse, but not to Erich Weinert StraBe |
| 00:08.16 | alinrus | fedex will call you anyway :) |
| 00:08.22 | SRabbelier | brlcad: madhu's actually taking over from me, since he's worked on something similar for featured projects |
| 00:08.22 | zgreg | statistically at least |
| 00:08.34 | wtachi | plenty of students submit horrible proposals, so 30% is an underestimate |
| 00:08.43 | zgreg | wtachi: yeah, though so |
| 00:08.45 | zgreg | *thought |
| 00:08.49 | in3xes | Or you guys can allow some common special chars ;) |
| 00:08.54 | zgreg | wtachi: define "horrible" |
| 00:08.57 | ojwb | wtachi: unless you're one of those students |
| 00:09.07 | ojwb | zgreg: wouldn't accept if you paid me |
| 00:09.10 | wtachi | zgreg: copy-pasting the project idea without adding anything |
| 00:09.21 | wtachi | or rephrasing it with horrible English |
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| 00:09.25 | MatthewWilkes | in3xes: The problem is that the shipping system google uses only accepts 7-bit ascii |
| 00:09.28 | saksham | u mean proposals like - I like to listen to heavy metal music, and I'm learning computers.... |
| 00:09.30 | saksham | :D |
| 00:09.41 | zgreg | ojwb, wtachi, hehe, that's just awesome |
| 00:09.50 | in3xes | Hmm |
| 00:10.09 | brlcad | wow, an org is actually gaming the listing by putting special characters just so they'll be at the top of the 175 listing |
| 00:10.16 | brlcad | seems rather sleazy to me |
| 00:10.17 | SRabbelier | !shipping |
| 00:10.19 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "shipping" is See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 and http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903#c16 |
| 00:10.20 | SRabbelier | in3xes: ^ |
| 00:10.23 | SRabbelier | in3xes: read it |
| 00:10.26 | SRabbelier | READ IT LIKE YOU MEAN IT |
| 00:10.27 | saksham | lol |
| 00:10.28 | SRabbelier | :P |
| 00:11.08 | SRabbelier | if it wasn't for ignorance I'd balefire the next one to ask, but you know |
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| 00:11.15 | scorche | brlcad: oh, that is pretty crap |
| 00:11.17 | wtachi | brlcad: well, now we know they're desperate for students |
| 00:11.23 | in3xes | :P |
| 00:11.32 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Sure, but could you fix it, please? It's not hard. |
| 00:11.32 | VanEx | How can I view other people's proposals |
| 00:11.33 | SRabbelier | brlcad: that's been fixed |
| 00:11.41 | MatthewWilkes | runs |
| 00:11.41 | VanEx | I read somewhere they're public |
| 00:11.43 | marcg | VanEx, ask them for a link |
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| 00:11.46 | SRabbelier | giggles |
| 00:11.54 | wtachi | VanEx: not normally, but some people post them online |
| 00:11.56 | scorche | SRabbelier: it has? - look at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 00:11.59 | SRabbelier | waits for him to come back |
| 00:12.07 | saksham | he's hurt |
| 00:12.09 | brlcad | I'm just surprised that someone with an org would even try that |
| 00:12.11 | saksham | he wont return |
| 00:12.13 | VanEx | so I probably got it wrong :) |
| 00:12.15 | SRabbelier | scorche: oh, I thought the spaces |
| 00:12.39 | SRabbelier | scorche: thanks for noticing, fixed |
| 00:12.39 | VanEx | I thought all proposals are being public (like in the mailing list or sorta of ) |
| 00:12.45 | scorche | *did* *you* *really*? ;) |
| 00:12.53 | in3xes | Google should find another bank :P |
| 00:13.04 | SRabbelier | scorche: hah! |
| 00:13.08 | SRabbelier | in3xes: we have |
| 00:13.10 | SRabbelier | in3xes: trice at least |
| 00:13.17 | SRabbelier | in3xes: they're worse |
| 00:13.25 | SRabbelier | in3xes: US banks are made of lose |
| 00:13.41 | alinrus | 4 times for the win |
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| 00:13.43 | alinrus | :) |
| 00:13.46 | RampantBastard | FIX IT! |
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| 00:13.51 | SRabbelier | LOL |
| 00:13.52 | SRabbelier | lolol |
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| 00:13.56 | SRabbelier | laughs really hard |
| 00:14.06 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you make my day :) |
| 00:14.12 | alinrus | trolling ain't what it used to be :)) |
| 00:14.39 | SRabbelier | alinrus: take it up on yourself to improve the situation? ;) |
| 00:14.48 | SRabbelier | what's the worst that could happen? |
| 00:14.48 | alinrus | :)) |
| 00:14.52 | ojwb | brlcad: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1158 |
| 00:14.54 | SRabbelier | brandishes the banhammer |
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| 00:15.02 | MatthewWilkes | alinrus: Maybe it's a deeper level troll, by pretending to be a jokey obvious troll I can lull people into a false sense of security |
| 00:15.09 | MatthewWilkes | Then blamo! Advanced Troll |
| 00:15.16 | SRabbelier | ojwb: they used a * |
| 00:15.25 | ojwb | yes, they've worked around the fix |
| 00:15.26 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: whoah |
| 00:15.34 | SRabbelier | ojwb: I've worked around their work around |
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| 00:15.36 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: dont make me open up rockbox on your phone again! ;) |
| 00:15.39 | ojwb | clearly they don't know ASCII well |
| 00:15.52 | SRabbelier | scorche: lol, how'd you do that? |
| 00:16.03 | ojwb | starts an opensource projects called "a" |
| 00:16.06 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: They almost kicked us out of AT |
| 00:16.23 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: that sounds like too awesome a story not to share |
| 00:16.24 | scorche | SRabbelier: back in the mentor summit, we almost got kicked out of the advanced trolling talk for giggling to ourselves |
| 00:16.37 | SRabbelier | scorche: nice :) |
| 00:16.38 | brlcad | ojwb: he already fixed it :) |
| 00:16.47 | brlcad | SRabbelier: next they'll use @ ;) |
| 00:16.54 | ojwb | brlcad: yes I know - that's what they were doing yesterday |
| 00:17.00 | wtachi | starts an opensource project called "!!!CLICKHERE" |
| 00:17.03 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: scorche tried to show me rockbox and he couldn't use it, we spent the session trying to work out how to use his project |
| 00:17.09 | wtachi | ojwb: take that! |
| 00:17.11 | ojwb | it's clearly deliberate |
| 00:17.19 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol |
| 00:17.22 | scorche | rockbox was installed on MatthewWilkes's android phone, but was quite rough at the time - we were just implementing point touch methods, except the default font was wayyyy too small |
| 00:17.38 | SRabbelier | ojwb: it was the same org?! |
| 00:17.41 | SRabbelier | ojwb: are you serious? |
| 00:17.42 | scorche | we needed a capacitive stylus that was about 2 pixels in width ;) |
| 00:17.43 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: I bought a clip2 instead, that works. |
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| 00:17.50 | ojwb | SRabbelier: yes |
| 00:17.59 | SRabbelier | scorche: oooh! yes I remember, with the itty bitty tiny UI! |
| 00:18.03 | scorche | yup |
| 00:18.06 | SRabbelier | ojwb: can you please mail carol about this? (cc me) |
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| 00:18.18 | SRabbelier | ojwb: this goes beyond "accidental extra leading space" |
| 00:18.22 | scorche | trying to specify a larger font size was the main issue ;) |
| 00:18.43 | wtachi | what does that project even do? |
| 00:18.48 | ojwb | SRabbelier: will do (once my desktop allows me to focus on another window) |
| 00:18.51 | wtachi | their ideas page is all about meta-metadata |
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| 00:19.10 | wtachi | sounds like a troll thing |
| 00:19.38 | SRabbelier | wtachi: hah, that would be awesome |
| 00:19.52 | MatthewWilkes | What, a troll gsoc app? |
| 00:19.54 | SRabbelier | wtachi: a troll on the scope of "make a fake organization, get accepted into gsoc, bail out once coding period begins" |
| 00:19.59 | scorche | "M1: Meta-Metadata ORM" |
| 00:20.06 | scorche | o_O |
| 00:20.11 | wtachi | I'm not kidding. I see buzzwords (HTML5, object-oriented), acronyms... |
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| 00:20.18 | scorche | "Enable storing and searching strongly typed metadata objects in DBMS, by integrating meta-metadata with Hibernate. Reuse metadata wrappers across curated information sources." |
| 00:21.20 | bugQ | I'm laughing and I don't even know what you're all talking about |
| 00:21.21 | SRabbelier | scorche: totally an auto-generated page from buzzwordoftheday.com |
| 00:21.37 | scorche | SRabbelier: actually, it does seem ridiculously buzzword-y |
| 00:21.42 | SRabbelier | bugQ: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/ecologylab tried to game the system by changing their name to start with a * |
| 00:21.55 | SRabbelier | scorche: buzzwordometer.com? |
| 00:22.09 | SRabbelier | scorche: still available!!! |
| 00:22.20 | wtachi | usb, computer vision, multi-touch, social media, ... |
| 00:24.19 | SRabbelier | ojwb: what desktop do you use anyway, that it won't let you change focus? :P |
| 00:25.29 | ojwb | SRabbelier: just occassionally it goes odd |
| 00:25.42 | SRabbelier | ojwb: curious |
| 00:25.47 | ojwb | unplugging and replugging the mouse seems to fix it, but alt-tab doesn't work meanwhile, so it's not just hardware |
| 00:25.49 | ojwb | it's gnome |
| 00:26.02 | ThomasWaldmann | we deal a lot with metadata recently :) |
| 00:26.43 | ThomasWaldmann | we == moin wiki, moin2 |
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| 00:27.15 | wtachi | ThomasWaldmann: but not meta-metadata! |
| 00:27.21 | wtachi | you're so 20th century |
| 00:27.32 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe |
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| 00:28.07 | ThomasWaldmann | we even have identified cases of meta-metadata. but definitely less than meta. |
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| 00:29.13 | SRabbelier | ojwb: most curious |
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| 00:31.43 | SRabbelier | ojwb: thanks |
| 00:31.50 | dbs | Sadly, as a librarian, a system for managing meta-metadata doesn't sound all that unlikely |
| 00:34.06 | SRabbelier | dbs: the date on which you last modified the title of a book would perhaps be meta-metadata |
| 00:34.08 | SRabbelier | ? |
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| 00:35.33 | dbs | SRabbelier: yep. From a certain perspective, Evergreen (my project) deals largely with metadata (book descriptions) and meta-metadata (who edited the book description, what was the edit, etc). Depressing! |
| 00:36.03 | SRabbelier | dbs: how meta of you :) |
| 00:36.52 | ThomasWaldmann | well, i have looked a bit into that project, and it doesn't look made-up for me |
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| 00:37.47 | dbs | Evergreen also does a lot of conversion between metadata formats, ergo the info about those different formats is meta metadata too |
| 00:37.49 | SRabbelier | ThomasWaldmann: we didn't really think it was :) |
| 00:37.50 | dbs | babbles |
| 00:38.10 | ojwb | I have to say there are actually advantages to being well down the list - not a single junk mentor sign up or student application yet |
| 00:38.17 | ThomasWaldmann | ah %) |
| 00:38.26 | SRabbelier | ojwb: we're on the front page and we haven't had any |
| 00:38.48 | SRabbelier | pokes out eyes with being on the front page some more, since it's being fixed tomorrow anyway |
| 00:38.50 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I can easily fix that |
| 00:38.57 | SRabbelier | ojwb: lol |
| 00:38.59 | dbs | SRabbelier++ |
| 00:39.03 | scorche | so what about meta meta metadata? |
| 00:39.16 | ojwb | SRabbelier: did you get a surge in interest? |
| 00:39.31 | SRabbelier | ojwb: none |
| 00:39.37 | brlcad | I think those are called source code edits |
| 00:39.40 | ojwb | interesting |
| 00:39.46 | ThomasWaldmann | (one major feature of moin2 is to deal much better with metadata btw) |
| 00:39.51 | scorche | the CV of whoever edited the book description? ;) |
| 00:40.01 | brlcad | their parents |
| 00:40.04 | SRabbelier | ojwb: I think the fuss about the 5 orgs being up there is rediculous, but eh... |
| 00:40.26 | ojwb | to me, it's mostly the message it seems to send that's the issue |
| 00:40.53 | SRabbelier | ojwb: I'm sure you object to the all-white-male picture too? :P |
| 00:40.55 | brlcad | quick change, remove the five and just have a link for all 175 |
| 00:41.12 | brlcad | SRabbelier: haha, that was actually the first thing I noticed on the new page |
| 00:41.24 | ojwb | SRabbelier: actually, it's there's at least one non-white bloke and one woman in it that I saw |
| 00:41.37 | SRabbelier | ojwb: phew! |
| 00:41.49 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, why does it say i can apply for SOC? :) |
| 00:41.51 | SRabbelier | brlcad: that would make the page a lot less lively though :) |
| 00:41.55 | SRabbelier | brlcad: there's a reason they're on there |
| 00:42.02 | SRabbelier | ThomasWaldmann: apply to be a mentor? |
| 00:42.26 | ThomasWaldmann | it links to accepted orgs |
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| 00:42.43 | ThomasWaldmann | from my dashboard |
| 00:42.55 | brlcad | SRabbelier: oh I don't care, we'll get too many apps regardless .. I meant as a means to appease your dissenters |
| 00:43.01 | SRabbelier | ThomasWaldmann: yes, so that you can apply to be a mentor :) |
| 00:43.18 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I don't care much to appease them tbh :) |
| 00:43.24 | SRabbelier | brlcad: since it's being fixed tomorrow |
| 00:43.33 | brlcad | *nod* |
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| 00:44.01 | ThomasWaldmann | well, considering that I am already admin and mentor, well, ok, I could do more maybe, but it still sounds a bit strange :) |
| 00:44.08 | Michitux | hm, I'm right that as admin I'm mentor automatically, right? but I can't select me or the other admin from the "assign a mentor" dropdown, it is simply empty |
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| 00:44.16 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I do feel that bearded mentors are underrepresented in that photo though |
| 00:44.21 | SRabbelier | Michitux: correct |
| 00:44.37 | SRabbelier | Michitux: you need to say "I wish to mentor" first :( |
| 00:44.47 | SRabbelier | Michitux: that's to prevent the dropdown from being ginormous |
| 00:44.52 | SRabbelier | Michitux: for e.g. KDE |
| 00:44.55 | SRabbelier | Michitux: with their 40-odd mentors |
| 00:45.03 | SRabbelier | ojwb: curious |
| 00:45.16 | ThomasWaldmann | ojwb: hey, i just thought the same about beards :D |
| 00:45.42 | brlcad | SRabbelier: also don't know if this is a fixed issue (haven't done my due diligence), but ran into a bug shortly after deployment where one of our admins submitted the "make me a mentor" request only to not be able to withdraw their request |
| 00:45.50 | brlcad | another admin had to withdraw it for them |
| 00:45.52 | ojwb | ThomasWaldmann: there's been a sad decline in geek beards in recent times |
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| 00:46.30 | SRabbelier | brlcad: ah, that sounds plausible |
| 00:46.32 | ThomasWaldmann | there's a sad decline in geek's main hair here, too :D |
| 00:46.36 | SRabbelier | brlcad: withdraw only shows up if you can't accept/reject |
| 00:46.46 | SRabbelier | brlcad: and since you can accept/reject your own requests... |
| 00:47.00 | SRabbelier | brlcad: you just shouldn't be able to invite yourself :) |
| 00:47.06 | brlcad | the accept/reject buttons didn't work for him either, something about not have permissions ;) |
| 00:47.16 | SRabbelier | brlcad: or invite someone to become a mentor when they're already admin, for that matter |
| 00:47.20 | SRabbelier | brlcad: curious |
| 00:47.30 | Michitux | SRabbelier: k, thx, though with our just 3 mentors it probably won't be a big problem anyway |
| 00:47.40 | brlcad | yeah, it was minor and circumventable |
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| 00:48.26 | Geoh | brazil? |
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| 00:49.18 | SRabbelier | Michitux: we should at least add some help text about that though |
| 00:51.28 | Michitux | btw. is there any table where I can see a better overview of all applications? e.g. including student name, rating, number of comments, perhaps even including the summary? |
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| 00:54.25 | ojwb | being able to see them by order of submission would be handy too |
| 00:54.31 | SRabbelier | Michitux: no, but Lennard is working on that this week |
| 00:54.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb: do we have that data? *checks* |
| 00:54.49 | ojwb | or perhaps "ones I' haven't commented on" |
| 00:54.50 | ojwb | maybe not |
| 00:55.01 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yes we do |
| 00:55.19 | ojwb | some way of seeing proposals I should look it is the issues really |
| 00:55.28 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yeah, notifications right :) |
| 00:55.41 | ojwb | ah, that's true, that'll fill the gap there... |
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| 01:03.07 | thebolt | morning |
| 01:03.24 | SRabbelier | thebolt: it's 3am, not yet morning |
| 01:03.57 | thebolt | SRabbelier: its 9am here, quite really morning |
| 01:04.33 | SRabbelier | thebolt: cheater |
| 01:05.04 | SRabbelier | thebolt: you're way west of me, why are you connecting to a freenode server in OR, USA? |
| 01:05.55 | SRabbelier | where with west I mean east |
| 01:05.59 | SRabbelier | (it's late) |
| 01:06.08 | thebolt | SRabbelier: well, i sit in taipei (taiwan), but my irc is running in a shell on a box in germany |
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| 01:06.18 | thebolt | and it is connecting to the main rotation server |
| 01:06.44 | SRabbelier | thebolt: hah, talk about convoluted setup :D |
| 01:06.52 | SRabbelier | thebolt: it's almost like in a bad scifi movie |
| 01:07.05 | SRabbelier | maybe they'll write a GUI in Visual Basic to track you |
| 01:07.25 | thebolt | SRabbelier: haha, well, i had this shell (which is on my former projects project server) when i lived in sweden as well |
| 01:07.41 | SRabbelier | thebolt: fair enough :) |
| 01:07.42 | thebolt | its convenient to have a shell with screen+irssi |
| 01:08.18 | thebolt | that i then decided to move to far-east, well, couldn't take the server with me ;) |
| 01:08.38 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 01:08.41 | SRabbelier | thebolt: fair enough |
| 01:09.23 | thebolt | but hm, 3am, then you are in europe (and i seem to remember something about netherlands?) so the fact that you also use an US server ;) |
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| 01:10.01 | chx | Well this raises an interesting question |
| 01:10.02 | edyoon | I just clicked a button "I wish .. mentor". BTW, who assign a mentor finally? |
| 01:10.05 | SRabbelier | thebolt: you remembered correctly, and I'm using a US server because I'm forced to use the tor thingy |
| 01:10.11 | SRabbelier | thebolt: (because I'm running a relay myself) |
| 01:10.30 | thebolt | i see |
| 01:11.08 | chx | Say someone has code (not yet contributed back) written for a given company. He applies for GSoC and submits the existing revisions on a weekly basis. No work is done and yet it seems there is. I know such a stunt is not trivial to pull off but from exchanging emails it seems this is what one applicant tries. |
| 01:11.37 | chx | I have not expected to deal with cheaters this early. |
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| 01:12.02 | SRabbelier | chx: how can you tell from the emails that such is the case? |
| 01:12.16 | chx | SRabbelier: because he just offered to post the code to github! |
| 01:12.31 | SRabbelier | chx: tell him "please do" |
| 01:12.43 | SRabbelier | chx: joink the code, and tell him "now what are you going to do during GSoC"? |
| 01:12.43 | chx | of course. |
| 01:12.43 | SRabbelier | :P |
| 01:14.22 | ojwb | sounds like he's not cheating so much as failing to understand how it's meant to work |
| 01:14.33 | ojwb | if he was cheating, you wouldn't know yet... |
| 01:14.46 | SRabbelier | ojwb: good point |
| 01:15.30 | ojwb | I can't really see it working - the mentor would try to direct the student, and find the feedback completely ignored |
| 01:15.54 | dberkholz | "let's change the design, i don't like this part" |
| 01:16.00 | ojwb | exactly |
| 01:16.02 | dberkholz | keep him on hi toes |
| 01:16.05 | dberkholz | his* |
| 01:16.15 | ojwb | or her, women can cheat too |
| 01:16.27 | dberkholz | sure, but the OP said "he" |
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| 01:16.54 | ojwb | yes, I know |
| 01:17.15 | dberkholz | we've got one very enthusiastic student who started coding a week ago |
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| 01:18.45 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: nice :D |
| 01:18.58 | dberkholz | actually talking to the mentor about it, though, so it's a bit different situation |
| 01:19.29 | dberkholz | apparently the schedule works out better with the chinese system if he does a lot of the work by the end of the bonding period |
| 01:21.01 | ArthurLiu | anyone has fresh GCI students applying again ? :) |
| 01:21.31 | dberkholz | only got 3 apps so far, and none of them are. how about you, ArthurLiu ? |
| 01:21.57 | ArthurLiu | we got two good GCI students who are coming back for the real stuff |
| 01:22.22 | dberkholz | of course, we weren't in gci, so we'd have to steal someone else's... |
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| 02:21.04 | WebEx | How much time are mentors expected to allocate helping students ? |
| 02:23.16 | ojwb | WebEx: the faq says about 5 hours per week |
| 02:23.29 | ojwb | though some can need more, some less |
| 02:23.45 | WebEx | yep I understand |
| 02:23.58 | WebEx | I was wondering about the baseline. So it's 5 hours |
| 02:24.01 | ojwb | and it varies over time too - sometimes they'll get stuck |
| 02:24.43 | WebEx | another question - |
| 02:25.33 | WebEx | I'm confused with the requirements for the proposals. On one hand you should be very detailed about how to implement a solution. To put it in a timeframe etc.. On the other hand you have to do a proposal before even starting to work |
| 02:25.55 | WebEx | to make a very detailed and accurate plan you might need days, even a week of investigating |
| 02:26.03 | chx | Well, yes |
| 02:26.04 | chx | and? |
| 02:26.05 | WebEx | are they expecting me to do that ahead of time ? |
| 02:26.16 | ojwb | yes |
| 02:26.33 | WebEx | If so how could I spend a 4-5 days per project if I want to send many proposals |
| 02:26.35 | ojwb | we don't expect the timeline to be spot on, but we want you to have thought about the scope |
| 02:26.38 | WebEx | like 5-6 |
| 02:26.43 | chx | depending on the org, there are about 10 times as many applicants than slots |
| 02:27.00 | ojwb | you can't submit 5-6 top quality proposals |
| 02:27.01 | WebEx | by slots you mean per org ? |
| 02:27.03 | chx | we need to choose on extermeley little |
| 02:27.26 | WebEx | so every org has X amount of slots for projects |
| 02:27.29 | chx | and so if i see someone who vsiibly put in considerable effort then s/he is a winner. |
| 02:27.36 | WebEx | but accepts couple of times more ideas |
| 02:27.38 | WebEx | right ? |
| 02:27.56 | chx | Say , Drupal gets about 20 slots every year and we have 150-200 applicants. |
| 02:28.18 | WebEx | I understand you get more applications |
| 02:28.21 | chx | Yes |
| 02:28.26 | WebEx | my questions was about the ideas / projects |
| 02:28.30 | chx | Right |
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| 02:28.36 | WebEx | so if an org has posted 20 ideas |
| 02:28.36 | chx | But unerstand what I say |
| 02:28.43 | WebEx | oks I listen sorry.. |
| 02:28.44 | ojwb | WebEx: that means very little |
| 02:28.44 | chx | => if i see someone who vsiibly put in considerable effort then s/he is a winner. <= |
| 02:28.56 | ojwb | google allocate the number of places |
| 02:29.04 | chx | yes a good application can't be done in ten minutes. |
| 02:29.06 | ojwb | based on various factors, and not until after student applications close |
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| 02:29.32 | chx | I have had people who worked on their proposal on and off since February (and even came to me in person at DrupalCon) |
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| 02:30.02 | WebEx | I guess that puts away people like me who started few days ago |
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| 02:30.13 | chx | Absolutely not |
| 02:30.22 | chx | A good application is doable in 1-2 days |
| 02:30.28 | ojwb | starting early helps, but so few do |
| 02:30.38 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:30.54 | WebEx | so let me try to ask my question as I still have some confusion about seats / slots |
| 02:31.04 | chx | OK |
| 02:31.12 | chx | Here is how it works |
| 02:31.14 | chx | You apply |
| 02:31.15 | WebEx | google gives each Org amout slots. Then this Org posts that many ideas , or more ? |
| 02:31.20 | chx | No |
| 02:31.23 | chx | listen |
| 02:31.24 | WebEx | I understand there many more students |
| 02:31.26 | chx | So you apply |
| 02:31.28 | chx | we score |
| 02:31.41 | chx | Then, after all applications are in and applications are closed |
| 02:31.47 | chx | Google hands out slots |
| 02:32.08 | chx | The applications are scored , so if i get twenty slots, the first twenty gets chosen, that's it |
| 02:32.13 | ojwb | and the org may give some back if they can't mentor that many |
| 02:32.23 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:32.32 | chx | Hmm, right, doesnt happen to us :) |
| 02:32.32 | ojwb | or don't have that many good applications, which is less common |
| 02:32.35 | WebEx | so it all comes to where you are at this Org score sheet |
| 02:32.37 | chx | we are Legion :D |
| 02:32.43 | chx | yes |
| 02:32.51 | WebEx | and this unified score |
| 02:32.55 | WebEx | what does it represents |
| 02:32.56 | chx | and that's where the quality of the application matters |
| 02:33.00 | WebEx | the changes to succseed ? |
| 02:33.10 | ojwb | put in a top quality application |
| 02:33.15 | WebEx | or the skills of the student? |
| 02:33.19 | ojwb | talk to the org so they know how you interact |
| 02:33.23 | WebEx | or the importance/ benefit of the idea? |
| 02:33.32 | ojwb | submit patches to fix minor bugs, so they can see the skills you have |
| 02:33.38 | chx | WebEx: that depends on the org |
| 02:33.45 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:33.48 | chx | WebEx: there are two goals to GSoC |
| 02:33.56 | chx | WebEx: one, get some useful code. |
| 02:33.58 | ojwb | world domination |
| 02:34.00 | chx | WebEx: two, get contributors. |
| 02:34.11 | WebEx | I see. |
| 02:34.20 | chx | WebEx: Getting students who stay for good and contribute is the ultimate win |
| 02:34.31 | WebEx | So orgs have the freedom to label this score to whatever they choose |
| 02:34.49 | Woaden | #winning |
| 02:34.56 | Manbeardo | Can I submit an application if I'm not sure if I'll be available during the summer? (Microsoft's internship interview process is slow) |
| 02:35.03 | chx | WebEx: We need to figure out from the (rahter short) application who is going to stick around. If I see someone is willing to put in work, well, that's an indicator for that, right? |
| 02:35.16 | ojwb | Manbeardo: it's really bad to mess people around |
| 02:35.26 | chx | Manbeardo: Will you know it by the time the application process closes? or when? |
| 02:35.34 | WebEx | chx: I agree, I'm just curious how it works :) |
| 02:35.50 | Manbeardo | I should know by early May |
| 02:35.52 | chx | works? who siad this works? :D we just try our best. |
| 02:35.56 | chx | Manbeardo: way way too late. |
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| 02:36.44 | chx | see http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011 here, if you dont know by April 22 , then dont. |
| 02:37.08 | chx | It'll be a burden on everyone if you apply get chosen and drop out between April 8-22 |
| 02:37.17 | chx | but it'll be a very very serious headache if you drop after |
| 02:37.39 | WebEx | so back to the proposals. Do you think it's ok to put one week in the begining for planning and designing the specific tools. So in the proposal I would like my overall plans, techs, frameworks to be used, and leave one week for testing and choosing the final plan |
| 02:37.45 | chx | yes we can handle it after all there are many reasons one can drop, family etc but PLEASE dont make the life of poor org admins even harder. |
| 02:37.55 | chx | WebEx: of course |
| 02:38.05 | WebEx | that's the part that worries me |
| 02:38.06 | chx | WebEx: planning and architecting are very valid milestones. |
| 02:38.12 | WebEx | I have like 6-7 days |
| 02:38.21 | WebEx | till the final day for submitting |
| 02:38.31 | WebEx | yet I want to submit at least 3-4 places to be sure I have a chance |
| 02:38.56 | WebEx | as I see that even being rated well by the specific mentor I still have some chance not to be chosen |
| 02:38.57 | chx | I have never ever seen anyone doing that and be able to put in quality applications |
| 02:39.33 | WebEx | and it's clear that here quality counts way more then quantity as 20 useless applications would do nothing |
| 02:39.44 | chx | right.and there are always people who actually get chosen by two orgs. |
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| 02:39.46 | ojwb | 2 applications is a good numbe |
| 02:39.48 | ojwb | r |
| 02:40.02 | chx | yes, two is good, but three-four? |
| 02:40.11 | WebEx | right but what If I get choosen but I don't get high rank placed |
| 02:40.17 | WebEx | at least are those scores official ? |
| 02:40.18 | ojwb | given you have a week, I'd go for two |
| 02:40.40 | ojwb | if you write 4 applications, they won't be as good and you'll get lower scores |
| 02:40.42 | chx | The scores are just there to order the applications. |
| 02:40.51 | ojwb | fewer and higher quality are the key |
| 02:40.56 | chx | they do not serve any other purpose and they are not disclosed either. |
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| 02:41.23 | WebEx | right but with lower score your changes go down dramatically. so better few but good applications |
| 02:41.31 | chx | that's the key |
| 02:41.36 | chx | good applications |
| 02:41.40 | chx | dont worry too much |
| 02:41.46 | chx | file a few good applications |
| 02:41.50 | WebEx | should I ask my future mentor what score has he chosen for me |
| 02:42.00 | chx | no |
| 02:42.02 | WebEx | or I'l lhave to wait and find out about it after the final score |
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| 02:42.11 | ojwb | talk to them, but that's not a helpful question |
| 02:42.13 | chx | it won't be just your mentor but the whole org who scores |
| 02:42.23 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:42.31 | chx | and as i said , the scores are not disclosed as in htsemlves are not meaningful. |
| 02:42.42 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:42.47 | chx | http://drupal.org/node/1107564 |
| 02:43.06 | WebEx | I also guess that mentors would rate higher ideas that they consider more helpful to the org |
| 02:43.24 | chx | considers his answer |
| 02:43.33 | ojwb | for us, that's not a big factor |
| 02:43.46 | chx | let me tell you a secret: i do not give a rat's ass about what you produce during three months |
| 02:43.54 | chx | i am way more interested in what you will do in the next three years. |
| 02:43.55 | ojwb | it might help decide between two very good applications |
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| 02:44.20 | ojwb | chx: it's good if it's can get merged as that's motivating for the student |
| 02:44.41 | WebEx | thanks for the info |
| 02:44.55 | WebEx | so mentors carry most about building future community |
| 02:45.03 | WebEx | young contributors, students.. |
| 02:45.05 | WebEx | nice |
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| 02:45.09 | chx | i can't say that for everyone |
| 02:45.24 | chx | I know that for myself the singular reason I put in a lot of work year after year that I hope we can find another webchick :) |
| 02:45.29 | ojwb | it depends on the org, but students seem to assume it's all about how useful the code is, and that's not really a valid assumption |
| 02:45.57 | WebEx | what about google |
| 02:46.00 | chx | And I can tell you her code was not at all useful (heck. it didnt even work 'cos there was a frotnend component to it as another gsoc project which failed.) |
| 02:46.13 | WebEx | I used to think google also review the applications |
| 02:46.19 | chx | Google hands over the selection to the member projects. |
| 02:46.21 | chx | they dont |
| 02:46.24 | chx | they couldnt |
| 02:46.26 | WebEx | but now it turns out they don't and just let orgs pick |
| 02:46.43 | chx | This was always so ( I am here since the first gsoc so i know ) |
| 02:46.50 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:46.58 | ojwb | even selecting the orgs is quite a challenge |
| 02:47.05 | ojwb | and there's > 10 times as many student apps |
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| 02:47.32 | WebEx | offtopic: why they kicked ubuntu out this year? |
| 02:47.45 | chx | You expect us to know? |
| 02:47.52 | ojwb | you'd probably have to ask them |
| 02:47.55 | WebEx | nope, was wondering for oppinion |
| 02:47.59 | WebEx | nevermind :) |
| 02:48.17 | ojwb | it was very competitive - some existing orgs didn't get to come back |
| 02:48.24 | ojwb | it's true most years |
| 02:48.39 | WebEx | I see |
| 02:48.51 | chx | To be honest: i do not care. This is Google's party and they can snub who they want to (to misquote a very fine book :D ) |
| 02:49.28 | WebEx | it makes sence. |
| 02:49.40 | WebEx | so is there any way to guess how much slots would an org get |
| 02:49.49 | WebEx | like checking how many it got last year(s) ? |
| 02:50.06 | ojwb | it's not really a useful way to approach picking an org |
| 02:50.12 | WebEx | true |
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| 02:50.33 | WebEx | given the skillset of students it's hard to be applicable for more then few orgs |
| 02:50.40 | ojwb | pick something you'll enjoy doing - enthusiasm shows |
| 02:50.41 | chx | well they get one slot and all you need to do is to produce the best application they get so the no1 slot is yours :) |
| 02:51.05 | WebEx | sounds like it :) |
| 02:51.18 | WebEx | so you guys both mentors ? |
| 02:51.20 | chx | *one slot at least |
| 02:51.36 | chx | I do not think I will mentor this year, I am an org admin for Drupal. |
| 02:51.38 | ojwb | admin and mentor |
| 02:51.51 | WebEx | what's admin's role |
| 02:51.56 | WebEx | managing mentors? |
| 02:51.57 | ojwb | cat herder |
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| 02:52.02 | ojwb | and students |
| 02:52.12 | WebEx | sounds evil |
| 02:52.16 | WebEx | :D |
| 02:52.24 | ojwb | making sure surveys are completed on time |
| 02:52.27 | wtachi | so mentors are cats, and students are...? |
| 02:52.32 | ojwb | and that students are sending in reports |
| 02:52.34 | ojwb | kittens? |
| 02:52.38 | wtachi | yes |
| 02:52.53 | wtachi | kittens with facial hair, in my case |
| 02:52.55 | chx | Admin is the poor sucker who makes sure paperwork is filed, steps in when mentor and student does not get along .... |
| 02:53.01 | ojwb | whiskers? |
| 02:53.16 | ojwb | for a large org, it's a big job |
| 02:53.21 | ojwb | for a small org, you can easily mentor too |
| 02:53.26 | chx | We are three |
| 02:53.46 | chx | And we have a gazillion helpers -- but even so. |
| 02:54.03 | WebEx | ojwb |
| 02:54.08 | WebEx | where are you from |
| 02:54.14 | WebEx | sorry for the intimidating question |
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| 02:54.19 | chx | I sometimes think I am nuts to take the admin burden year after year but as i said above i think of the possibilities sigh and do it again. |
| 02:55.48 | ojwb | project? xapian place? I live in NZ |
| 02:56.00 | WebEx | strange :) |
| 02:56.07 | chx | ( in case you do not know, Angie Byron was a GSoC student in 2005 and became the most prolific contributor ever seen, got a Google-O'Reilly Award for Best Contributor in 2008, landed on the front page of Linux Journal a month ago as the first woman ever to be there and so on. That's the ultimate goal: find someone else like her:D ) |
| 02:56.11 | WebEx | I saw Sofia, Bulgaria in the whois |
| 02:56.18 | WebEx | so I thought you're bulgarian. nevermind :) |
| 02:56.39 | chx | WebEx: lol, that's only the freenode irc server ojwb is connected to |
| 02:56.47 | chx | WebEx: that's fairly random |
| 02:57.00 | ojwb | especially as I connect via a server in the uk |
| 02:57.03 | WebEx | so it doesn't pick the nearest possible |
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| 02:57.55 | chx | well i am in Vancouver Canada and it picked a French server for me |
| 02:58.05 | chx | IRC is so low traffic that nearest does not matter |
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| 02:59.12 | WebEx | maybe you're right. Although the bandwith isn't the only thing that could affect latency |
| 02:59.33 | WebEx | guys thank you very much for the help! |
| 02:59.35 | WebEx | I gotta go |
| 02:59.39 | chx | me too :) |
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| 02:59.51 | WebEx | wish you a good night! and I hope you get the best students :) |
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| 03:05.00 | bdamos | this might be a silly question, but is there something like gsoc but without the pay? i don't feel like i have the expertise to send a viable proposal, but i would really love to get into the open source community and contribute. |
| 03:05.27 | ojwb | bdamos: many open source projects are happy to accept and mentor new contributors |
| 03:06.15 | ojwb | we (xapian) certainly are |
| 03:06.27 | bdamos | so i should just look around for projects i'm interested in? |
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| 03:07.00 | ojwb | some even have formal programs - there's "season of KDE" - http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/04/season-of-kde-2009-and-2010.html |
| 03:07.01 | hiemanshu | bdamos: yes, and then if those projects get selected into gsoc, the ones that dont, you can contact the org about it |
| 03:07.02 | ojwb | yes |
| 03:07.14 | ojwb | just ask open source orgs nicely |
| 03:07.18 | hiemanshu | then see** |
| 03:07.31 | ojwb | some may not have the interest or resources, but it's not personal - just try another |
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| 03:08.35 | ojwb | you can also look at orgs which applied but didn't get into gsoc this year |
| 03:08.57 | sdimkov_ | I'm sending applications to different orgs and could in theory be approved for both. What will be done in such situation? |
| 03:09.18 | ojwb | one or the other will win |
| 03:09.25 | ojwb | you may get asked for your preference |
| 03:09.43 | sdimkov_ | or the orgs might decide it as well? |
| 03:09.56 | ojwb | but not in every case - there's an assumption that you want to do projects you apply for |
| 03:09.57 | ArthurLiu | sdimkov_, the students preference is usually respected |
| 03:10.05 | bdamos | ojwb: thanks for your help. i'll have to look around some more |
| 03:10.18 | sdimkov_ | I see thanks. |
| 03:10.34 | hiemanshu | bdamos: also look at something you use, so you know its easier to get ideas and new stuff to do |
| 03:10.36 | ArthurLiu | sdimkov_, but try to make your preference clear upfront |
| 03:10.44 | sdimkov_ | what happens to the project I would choose not to do ? |
| 03:10.55 | ojwb | another student may be selected |
| 03:10.58 | ojwb | or maybe nothing |
| 03:11.00 | sdimkov_ | lets say org A and org B have approved me for proj A1 and B1 |
| 03:11.10 | sdimkov_ | I choose to work on A1 and who would do B1 |
| 03:11.16 | sdimkov_ | do they have second in list student |
| 03:11.23 | sdimkov_ | or it would be left away |
| 03:11.35 | ArthurLiu | sdimkov_, depends if there's someone else who wants to do the same project |
| 03:11.42 | ojwb | it doesn't quite work like that - they have a number of students they can accept |
| 03:11.46 | ojwb | so they pick which N they want |
| 03:11.57 | ojwb | if they lose one, they can pick another if there's a sutiable one |
| 03:12.26 | sdimkov_ | I see. So project B1 will likely be dropped and another student+idea will be picked |
| 03:13.01 | ArthurLiu | sdimkov_, yes, it's a complex game of musical chairs when students drop |
| 03:13.31 | sdimkov_ | ok :) |
| 03:13.45 | sdimkov_ | thanks for helping! |
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| 03:17.27 | yffbrave | hi |
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| 03:25.28 | _sagi | hi |
| 03:25.57 | _sagi | Can somebody guide me, How to copy the wiki template to propose my own idea. ? |
| 03:26.37 | _sagi | Help please ! |
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| 03:27.50 | Skywalker | hi!! im new here |
| 03:27.53 | hypatia | _sagi: for which project? |
| 03:28.25 | Guest10416 | \nick anakin |
| 03:28.37 | hypatia | Guest10416: /nick :) |
| 03:28.48 | ojwb | though I bet anakin is taken too |
| 03:29.04 | _sagi | hypatia, battle of wesnoth |
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| 03:29.37 | Guest10416 | oops |
| 03:29.52 | _sagi | hypatia, I am unable to "copy its template". I am applying for gsoc for first time. |
| 03:29.57 | _sagi | please guide me. |
| 03:30.20 | hypatia | _sagi: each organization comes up with their own template |
| 03:30.22 | Guest10416 | im new to irc...how can we identify the mentors over here? |
| 03:30.30 | hypatia | Guest10416: you can ask :) |
| 03:30.33 | hypatia | however, read this |
| 03:30.35 | hypatia | !anyone |
| 03:30.37 | socinfo | hypatia: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 03:31.01 | hypatia | _sagi: have you used a wiki before? |
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| 03:32.21 | _sagi | no, not for proposing any idea. |
| 03:32.55 | hypatia | have you used them otherwise? |
| 03:33.05 | hypatia | anyway, i see that wesnoth's template is at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC2011_Template_of_Student_page |
| 03:33.26 | hypatia | so what you do is go into "edit" mode for that page, and copy the contents to a new page |
| 03:33.32 | _sagi | yes, and it says that we shoud copy this template. |
| 03:33.36 | hypatia | you make the new page by going to a url like this: |
| 03:33.45 | hypatia | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC2011_My_name_Proposal |
| 03:33.52 | hypatia | but put your name where i put "m,y name" |
| 03:33.54 | hypatia | got it? |
| 03:34.02 | hypatia | and then copy in the template :) |
| 03:34.29 | hypatia | _sagi: if you need further help, you should talk to the wesnoth folks directly |
| 03:36.22 | _sagi | hypatia, There are "edit" options to the individual sections. right ? OR is there any "edit" tag for the whole page, if i am not getting ! |
| 03:36.23 | hypatia | _sagi: /join #wesnoth-dev if you haven't already |
| 03:36.30 | hypatia | _sagi: there are both |
| 03:36.39 | hypatia | you can edit individual sections, or the whole page |
| 03:36.55 | hypatia | i am not logged in so i can't see the edit options |
| 03:37.00 | _sagi | But copying the template means editing the whole page. |
| 03:37.04 | hypatia | yup! |
| 03:37.07 | hypatia | so do that |
| 03:37.08 | hypatia | :) |
| 03:37.21 | _sagi | k. let me find it first . :) |
| 03:37.26 | hypatia | you don't actually want to save your edit to the template page, of course |
| 03:37.54 | _sagi | !? |
| 03:38.15 | hypatia | _sagi: copy the text from the template page to your new page |
| 03:38.20 | hypatia | which i already explained how to do |
| 03:38.44 | hypatia | to create a new page you just go to the url for the page you want to make |
| 03:39.04 | hypatia | so, for example: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC2011_My_Gsoc_Example_Page |
| 03:39.14 | hypatia | but instead use your name |
| 03:39.35 | _sagi | Okay thanks, I got the "edit" link. |
| 03:39.40 | hypatia | awesome |
| 03:39.41 | _sagi | Thanks hypatia |
| 03:39.45 | _sagi | :D |
| 03:39.46 | hypatia | do you understand about making the new page? |
| 03:40.01 | _sagi | yes, I have to just type the url . Right :) |
| 03:40.03 | hypatia | /don't/ save your changes to the template pge :) |
| 03:40.05 | hypatia | good good |
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| 03:40.14 | hypatia | welcome to the wonderful world of wiki-editing |
| 03:40.17 | hypatia | ^_^ |
| 03:40.34 | _sagi | okay, And after that I will provide the mentors the link of my page. |
| 03:40.36 | _sagi | :) |
| 03:41.31 | hypatia | great, _sagi |
| 03:41.33 | hypatia | good luck! |
| 03:42.09 | _sagi | hypatia, :) thanks. |
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| 03:43.08 | lonocvb | hi |
| 03:43.42 | lonocvb | i am wrong to register gsoc as amentor, how can i cancel that or fix it as a student? |
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| 03:44.01 | lonocvb | help plz |
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| 03:45.34 | vipCut | you could for beginers pick another google account just to play around and see how you could switch it back. just my 2 cents |
| 03:46.14 | ojwb | lonocvb: SRabbelier may be able to help |
| 03:46.26 | ojwb | though I'd hope he's gone to bed by now... |
| 03:50.15 | lonocvb | vipCut, ojwb: thx for these information :) |
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| 04:04.43 | yffbrave | hi, all. I just want to ask how to delete a proposal, cause I made a mistake to submit the same proposal three times, but I can't find delete tips. |
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| 04:07.05 | yffbrave | Can anybody answer me? |
| 04:07.49 | marcg | I am not sure if I am qualified, but I don't think you can delete proposals |
| 04:08.02 | hypatia | yffbrave: you might have better luck in #melange |
| 04:08.16 | hypatia | but really, just let the mentors know, and they will ignore all but the best proposal :) |
| 04:09.01 | yffbrave | appreciate!! |
| 04:09.33 | hypatia | :) |
| 04:10.05 | yffbrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.13 | yffbrave | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 04:11.53 | marcg | :P |
| 04:12.06 | marekweb | hello |
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| 04:13.16 | marcg | marekweb, hi |
| 04:14.16 | gancient | hi all , does the melange portal allow the student to edit the proposal after its been submitted ? |
| 04:14.31 | ojwb | yes |
| 04:14.32 | marcg | gancient, yes, until the deadline, april 8th |
| 04:14.37 | marekweb | I'm wondering what kind of ratio of submitted/accepted proposals is the norm in GSoC |
| 04:14.47 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 04:14.48 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 04:14.49 | gancient | ojwb: marekweb: ack |
| 04:15.28 | ojwb | marekweb: ^^ though there's a significant amount of dross |
| 04:15.31 | marekweb | interesting, thank you |
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| 04:17.52 | marekweb | ojwb, can you elaborate what you mean by dross? |
| 04:19.15 | ojwb | a literal copy of the idea from our list, or "pls sir i want to work with u" - that sort of thing |
| 04:19.21 | ojwb | you'd be amazed |
| 04:19.56 | ojwb | seems to be less each year, so I people are catching on that it just wastes everyone's time |
| 04:22.01 | ojwb | so far we've only had proposals worthy of serious consideration, but it is a week until the deadline |
| 04:22.17 | ojwb | and we begin with 'x' - I suspect it's worse nearer the start of the alphabet |
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| 04:39.23 | dreimark | !timeline |
| 04:39.24 | socinfo | dreimark: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 04:42.35 | socinfo | gandu: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 05:18.31 | siddharth_ | hello |
| 05:18.57 | siddharth_ | for student application do we have to change the content part? |
| 05:19.20 | siddharth_ | in the content part,sample application template is provided |
| 05:19.34 | siddharth_ | so do we have to modify that? |
| 05:20.15 | ojwb | yes, you replace that with a filled in version |
| 05:20.30 | ojwb | well, you don't *have* to, but then you go straight on the "junk" application pile |
| 05:21.11 | siddharth_ | ok...and in Short description do we have to write about the project? |
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| 05:23.03 | adarsh | hello ppl |
| 05:23.11 | adarsh | what is the last date to apply as a mentor? |
| 05:23.20 | adarsh | i mean register |
| 05:23.30 | ojwb | adarsh: there isn't really one as such |
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| 05:23.45 | adarsh | ok thanks :) |
| 05:23.56 | ojwb | at least in the past it was possible to sign up mid coding, which allowed an org to replace a mentor |
| 05:24.06 | siddharth_ | ojwb, In short description do we have to write about the project in detail? |
| 05:24.42 | ojwb | if you're going to be mentoring a student from the start, you'll need to be in by the time applications need to have a mentor assigned, which the timeline will tell you |
| 05:25.01 | ojwb | siddharth_: no, that's a *short* description |
| 05:25.10 | ojwb | there's a length limit too |
| 05:25.32 | siddharth_ | so only a short write up about the project? |
| 05:25.46 | ojwb | yes, a paragraph is typical |
| 05:26.03 | ojwb | it's shown publically for accepted projects, so should make sense by itself |
| 05:26.13 | siddharth_ | thanks :) |
| 05:26.21 | ojwb | (well, with the title) |
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| 05:26.39 | ojwb | aren't there explanations with the fields? |
| 05:26.45 | ojwb | I think there were in the old design |
| 05:27.51 | siddharth_ | yeah but i was confused whether they are asking short description about myself or the project :P |
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| 05:33.38 | _sagi | hypatia, there ? |
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| 05:35.14 | gsoc_shanil | hey people |
| 05:35.36 | jagan | hi every one |
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| 05:35.58 | gsoc_shanil | can anybody here help me out with ai decision tree making.. |
| 05:36.06 | _sagi | hi. |
| 05:36.12 | jagan | hi |
| 05:36.16 | gsoc_shanil | please ping me if you can.. |
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| 05:36.40 | _sagi | How to submit a google application for a particular project |
| 05:36.42 | _sagi | ? |
| 05:36.58 | jagan | can u be more specific? |
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| 05:37.20 | _sagi | I am applying for "Battle for Wesnoth" |
| 05:37.40 | _sagi | I have proposed my idea through wiki page as demanded by them. |
| 05:37.57 | jagan | u will have to submit a proposal for a project |
| 05:38.01 | _sagi | Now do i have to make an google application. |
| 05:38.09 | jagan | the guidelines for the project are there in FAQa |
| 05:38.11 | _sagi | How to submit.? It is a wiki page. |
| 05:38.49 | jagan | so u r proposing a independent project? |
| 05:39.02 | _sagi | No, actually not |
| 05:39.16 | _sagi | They have given the idea. But I elaborated it. |
| 05:39.35 | _sagi | They said you have to make a wiki page for that. |
| 05:39.46 | scorche | mmmmm....tea... |
| 05:39.55 | siddharth_ | ojwb, One more thing..if the org is asking for sample code so should we write the code in the content itself? |
| 05:40.03 | jagan | dnt know |
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| 05:40.07 | jagan | i m new too |
| 05:40.24 | _sagi | But now what, How to submit ? And how would google know I am interested in a project. |
| 05:40.35 | jagan | u can write the code in the proposal .. |
| 05:40.50 | _sagi | No. I dont thik so, |
| 05:41.16 | jagan | @sagi:- submit a proposal, that would be good enough |
| 05:42.00 | _sagi | jagan, "submit the proposal" |
| 05:42.04 | _sagi | where ? |
| 05:42.21 | siddharth_ | if the org is asking for sample code so should we write the code in the content itself? |
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| 05:46.12 | wtachi | siddharth_: ask the org |
| 05:46.21 | ojwb | siddharth_: probably |
| 05:46.36 | ojwb | it's tedious to have to fetch external things |
| 05:46.43 | wtachi | but that depends on the size of the code |
| 05:46.46 | ojwb | you can link a copy too, in case they want to run it |
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| 05:47.04 | ojwb | true, I assumed a "sample" wasn't 1000s of lines |
| 05:47.14 | siddharth_ | yeah thats a good idea |
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| 05:47.25 | siddharth_ | I will ask the org once |
| 05:47.27 | siddharth_ | thanks :) |
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| 07:41.49 | mpounta | Hello |
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| 07:52.25 | nishmu | Who picks the choice from the proposals submitted. Google or org? |
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| 07:54.21 | cygal | org |
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| 08:13.38 | socinfo | Denin: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 08:18.18 | Narcissus | adds that to his Google Calendar |
| 08:19.45 | |Kev| | Narcissus: Would it not be more sensible just to add the GSoC calendar instead? |
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| 08:21.23 | Narcissus | |Kev|: probably, but I've already done it now |
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| 08:22.39 | NepaliKoChoro | Hey everyone do we need to submit out actual application on the Melange page or as a pdf? |
| 08:23.01 | bobbens | melange, you can link to a pdf as complementary material |
| 08:23.04 | Narcissus | |Kev|: could you send me a link to the GSoC calendar? |
| 08:23.15 | bobbens | or that's the theory, there's projects that do it other ways |
| 08:23.50 | NepaliKoChoro | bobbens, but the projext asks me to submit 2-8 page prooposal |
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| 08:24.01 | NepaliKoChoro | not sure how to do that in melange |
| 08:24.59 | bobbens | ask the project people |
| 08:25.12 | bobbens | maybe they do want a pdf and you to just link the pdf in melange |
| 08:25.29 | MatthewWilkes | NepaliKoChoro: Provide a link to something like a PDF or if it's just text simply take it as a suggestion as to lenght |
| 08:28.15 | Taggnostr | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/student/google/gsoc2011 says that I have to create a profile. Is this necessary even if I already created one last year? |
| 08:28.39 | bobbens | yes |
| 08:28.46 | Taggnostr | ok, thanks |
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| 08:31.32 | |Kev| | !timeline |
| 08:31.34 | socinfo | |Kev|: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 08:31.37 | |Kev| | Narcissus: ^ |
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| 08:36.38 | Taggnostr | in the School section, what is the difference between "Degree" and "Undergraduate"? I'm doing a degree but I haven't completed it yet |
| 08:38.00 | MatthewWilkes | Taggnostr: Undergraduate is a more specific type of degree, put degree if you're not sure |
| 08:38.07 | Taggnostr | ok |
| 08:38.33 | |Kev| | In the general-use case, degree and undergraduate degree are synonymous. |
| 08:38.54 | Taggnostr | will the location marker also include my name? |
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| 08:40.29 | imploder | |Kev|: is Bachelors "Undergraduate" or "Degree"? |
| 08:40.41 | bobbens | undergrad I'd say |
| 08:41.06 | bobbens | but this nomenclature confuses me quite a bit |
| 08:41.38 | |Kev| | imploder: It is both. |
| 08:41.57 | |Kev| | Goodness knows why both options are available :) |
| 08:42.23 | imploder | hmm, so I'll just keep the "Undergraduate", cannot be wrong :-) |
| 08:43.03 | harsh_ | MatthewWilkes: Undergrad = Bachelors, what do you mean by "more specific type of degree" ? |
| 08:43.06 | |Kev| | I have two degrees in the literal sense, but anyone asking about my degree (over here anyway) would be asking about the first one. |
| 08:43.22 | |Kev| | harsh_: Undergrad != Bachelors. |
| 08:43.31 | |Kev| | There are other Undergrad degrees are there not? |
| 08:43.32 | bobbens | it's all so confusing :) |
| 08:43.55 | harsh_ | |Kev|: like ? |
| 08:44.05 | |Kev| | (Although, again, when you say either undergrad *or* degree, you generally mean bachelors) |
| 08:44.28 | |Kev| | harsh_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergraduate_degree :) |
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| 08:46.11 | MatthewWilkes | harsh_: An Undergraduate Degree is a degree. A degree isn't always undergraduate. |
| 08:46.27 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I did an undergrad masters |
| 08:46.40 | harsh_ | MatthewWilkes: agreed. |
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| 08:48.28 | harsh_ | MatthewWilkes: so is it not like, an Undergra can be a bachelor or masters ? |
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| 08:48.50 | MatthewWilkes | Or an associate degree, or a medical doctorate, etc, etc |
| 08:49.00 | |Kev| | harsh_: Or other things, ...as MatthewWilkes says. |
| 08:49.11 | |Kev| | And a Masters can also be a postgrad degree. |
| 08:49.34 | harsh_ | yes, so we should say, a Degree is a more specific type of Undergrad, not vice versa, right ? |
| 08:49.59 | MatthewWilkes | harsh_: No, a Bachelor's degree is a more specific type of undergraduate degree, which is a more specific type of degree |
| 08:50.51 | harsh_ | this is confusing again .. :) |
| 08:50.53 | Taggnostr | where can I find the application I made last year for gsoc2010? |
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| 08:51.31 | |Kev| | No, an Undergrad is a more specific type of degree |
| 08:51.44 | |Kev| | (no@harsh_, yes@ MatthewWilkes) |
| 08:52.33 | MatthewWilkes | Actually, thinking about it, I think a friend of mine has a postgrad BSc |
| 08:52.46 | MatthewWilkes | as she's a doctor and did an extra course to add neuroscience |
| 08:52.54 | MatthewWilkes | but it was short and specific |
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| 08:53.49 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: I think that's still an undergrad, she just happened to do it while she already had another? |
| 08:53.56 | |Kev| | I guess possibly not. |
| 08:54.13 | |Kev| | It's not clear to me that the 'extra bits' that medics do are degrees or not. |
| 08:54.31 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Would be normally, but as it was specifically for doctors, not sure |
| 08:54.33 | harsh_ | If an Undergrad can be degree/masters/associate-degree .. then the latter are specific types of the former , right ? |
| 08:54.36 | MatthewWilkes | If they intercalate they get a Bachelor's |
| 08:54.44 | MatthewWilkes | harsh_: yes |
| 08:54.49 | |Kev| | No. |
| 08:54.53 | harsh_ | :) |
| 08:55.05 | harsh_ | ? |
| 08:55.06 | |Kev| | A degree is not a specific type of undergrad, an undergrad is a specific type of degree. |
| 08:55.09 | MatthewWilkes | ah, Bachelor's degree, not degree |
| 08:55.23 | |Kev| | Also, a masters is not a specific type of undergrad |
| 08:55.24 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev| is right, I misread |
| 08:55.30 | MatthewWilkes | Although it can be |
| 08:55.38 | |Kev| | *Some* Masters are types of undergrads. *Some* Masters are types of postgrad. |
| 08:55.48 | bobbens | so the conclusion of this conversation can be: anything can go? :) |
| 08:55.53 | harsh_ | :D |
| 08:56.07 | |Kev| | bobbens: The conclusion is that 'degree' is almost always the answer for 'what are you studying?'. |
| 08:56.14 | thebolt | hehe |
| 08:56.30 | bobbens | they probably just use it for statistics anyway |
| 08:56.32 | MatthewWilkes | MEng is is usually undergrad, MSci is usually taught postgrad, MA, MPhil are usually research postgrad and MLit is always taught postgrad |
| 08:56.39 | MatthewWilkes | err, always research postgrad* |
| 08:56.41 | bobbens | not like it's a life depending decision |
| 08:56.54 | |Kev| | Just about the only thing that's always postgrad is PhD, afaik. |
| 08:57.04 | kai | MatthewWilkes: depends on the country |
| 08:57.15 | bobbens | you can't win! |
| 08:57.15 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, MPhil too, that's basically the same as PhD but lower |
| 08:57.17 | |Kev| | Oh, and PGCE of course ): |
| 08:57.23 | |Kev| | :) |
| 08:57.26 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Oh? What's different here? |
| 08:57.42 | harsh_ | hmm, looks like each country use their own terminology .. we have to check accordingly .. |
| 08:57.52 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: and, in the UK, doctors are awarded 2 masters, not a real doctorate |
| 08:57.59 | kai | MatthewWilkes: pre-bologna masters-like degrees (diplom) given out on german universities were undergrad degrees |
| 08:58.01 | MatthewWilkes | unless they then go on to do research |
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| 08:58.03 | kai | all of them |
| 08:58.10 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Medics, you mean. |
| 08:58.17 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: yeah |
| 08:58.26 | MatthewWilkes | doctor the job, not the qualification |
| 08:58.33 | mpounta | |miska| hello |
| 08:58.34 | Taggnostr | I found http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2010 but I don't see the application I did last year there |
| 08:58.43 | harsh_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergraduate |
| 08:58.53 | MatthewWilkes | kai: I've never worked this out, I have a MEng, does that translate as Diplom or Magister, or something else? |
| 08:59.17 | kai | I don't think there were universities handing out magisters in engineering |
| 08:59.35 | kai | "Magister" was common in humanities |
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| 08:59.58 | kai | so as an engineer, you'd usually have a "Diplom" |
| 09:00.05 | MatthewWilkes | kai: So, what's BA the equivalent of then? |
| 09:00.22 | kai | we didn't have that |
| 09:00.47 | kai | if you wanted a degree, you had to go for a diplom, full 4.5-5 years |
| 09:00.56 | MatthewWilkes | ah, right |
| 09:01.00 | MatthewWilkes | but, you do now, do you? |
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| 09:01.10 | thebolt | it was the same in sweden before |
| 09:01.13 | MatthewWilkes | really should listen to his friends at the Humboldt when they talk |
| 09:01.13 | kai | yeah, just that BA is worthless |
| 09:01.22 | thebolt | (in engineering) |
| 09:01.44 | MatthewWilkes | kai: It's the most common in the UK, we don't need a doctorate to do everything |
| 09:02.01 | kai | there's all these people with Diplom out there, so you need to a masters to be competitive |
| 09:03.00 | kai | and e.g. in biology and chemistry, where a B.Sc. would allow you to do lab work and stuff like that, germany has a vocational training for lab assistants |
| 09:03.14 | MatthewWilkes | The person in my flat before me had a PhD and worked at a recycling company as a middle manager |
| 09:03.35 | kai | who have much more experience at lab work after the same amount of time, so nobody will hire a B.Sc. biologist |
| 09:04.50 | MatthewWilkes | brb |
| 09:05.12 | kai | so basically we still have "diplom", just that it's now called "masters", and we have an intermediate degree that allows the state to stop funding you in the middle of your education |
| 09:05.46 | kai | because you only get funding up to the first qualifying degree, and they now claim that's what the bachelors is |
| 09:06.15 | kai | which is bollocks, of course, as you don't get jobs with that |
| 09:06.28 | kai | </rant> |
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| 09:07.03 | kai | gets back to work |
| 09:07.22 | kai | MatthewWilkes: now you missed my rant :) |
| 09:07.27 | MatthewWilkes | I suddenly remembered I had a SSD and that my computer should be faster |
| 09:07.40 | MatthewWilkes | so I did top and window server was at 100% and my l/a was about 12 |
| 09:08.06 | MatthewWilkes | Sorry kai :) |
| 09:08.07 | kai | http://pastey.net/148489 |
| 09:08.10 | kai | L( |
| 09:08.13 | kai | :) |
| 09:08.20 | kai | stupid keyboard |
| 09:08.30 | |Kev| | kai: Well, be thankful - the state essentially doesn't fund you over here any more :) |
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| 09:09.01 | MatthewWilkes | kai: That's exactly why I got an undergraduate masters, you get loaned money until the first degree is over here |
| 09:09.13 | MatthewWilkes | I'm currently doing a BA in german (for funsies) and get no funding at all for that |
| 09:09.21 | kai | |Kev|: well, it's technically a loan, and you only get that if your parents don't have the money |
| 09:09.31 | Taggnostr | is the old gsoc site still available somewhere? |
| 09:09.34 | MatthewWilkes | so I pay > £3k per year out of my own pocket for the privilege |
| 09:09.37 | |Kev| | kai: Ah, same deal then. |
| 09:09.52 | kai | MatthewWilkes: well, there's no such thing here anymore |
| 09:10.02 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Tuition fees are now £9,000 per year in England |
| 09:10.09 | MatthewWilkes | Not in Wales and Scotland, you understand |
| 09:10.16 | MatthewWilkes | (Unless that, changed, |Kev|?) |
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| 09:10.30 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: It's not clear to me that you don't have to pay if you're English and in Wales. |
| 09:10.33 | MatthewWilkes | Pick on the english, they got invaded, they lost their language. |
| 09:10.38 | kai | yeah. because for some reasons all universities have the exceptional circumstances to raise the tuition fees to the maximum? |
| 09:10.44 | |Kev| | For Welsh people in Wales it's true. |
| 09:10.46 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: You do, and if you're welsh in england it's half fees |
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| 09:11.09 | |Kev| | kai: Yes, exactly right. All Universities are exceptional. |
| 09:11.19 | lucian | meh, just greedy |
| 09:11.28 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Oh, yeah, there were exceptional circumstances. Previous governments gutted our vocational training systems so nobody does them and set a target for 50% of people to go to university |
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| 09:11.46 | MatthewWilkes | You simply can't afford that and have decent universities without increasing tax somewhere |
| 09:12.03 | MatthewWilkes | bring back the 95% tax rate and apprenticeships, please |
| 09:12.10 | kai | lucian: "we're just greedy" probably is on the list of exceptional circumstances ;) |
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| 09:13.20 | AmineKhaldi | hi folks |
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| 09:13.37 | AmineKhaldi | is it possible to register as co-mentors in melange ? |
| 09:15.14 | MatthewWilkes | AmineKhaldi: Not AFAIK |
| 09:15.30 | AmineKhaldi | so we have them register as mentors ? or ? |
| 09:15.38 | MatthewWilkes | AmineKhaldi: If they want their tshirt, yes |
| 09:15.54 | AmineKhaldi | it's about co-mentoring, but tshirts are a cool bonus ;) |
| 09:16.18 | AmineKhaldi | ie we have the possibility of having both a mentor and a co-mentor |
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| 09:19.14 | ojwb | I thought melange was going to have more explicit support for comentors this yeat? |
| 09:19.17 | ojwb | year |
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| 09:25.01 | kodaway | so the 'invite mentor' is broken, right? |
| 09:25.12 | kodaway | or better |
| 09:25.21 | kodaway | the 'possible mentors' drop down list |
| 09:25.27 | kodaway | in an application page |
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| 09:27.16 | ojwb | people need to say they are willing to mentor before you can pick them there |
| 09:27.43 | kodaway | i have 4 mentors registered in my dashboard |
| 09:27.56 | kodaway | but they don't show up in the application page dropdown list |
| 09:28.09 | ojwb | have any told melange that they are willing to mentor that application? |
| 09:28.25 | ojwb | because, as I said, people need to say they are willing to mentor before you can pick them there |
| 09:28.49 | kodaway | under MENTORS AND ADMINS FOR ORGANIZATIONS I AM AN ADMIN FOR |
| 09:28.59 | ojwb | yes, you have 4 mentors |
| 09:29.05 | kodaway | i see them all listed with "Mentors for" my project |
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| 09:29.21 | ojwb | if a mentor goes to an application, they get a button "i am willing to mentor this" (or similar) |
| 09:29.29 | ojwb | if they click that, you can assign them |
| 09:29.33 | ojwb | if they don't, you can't |
| 09:29.38 | kodaway | ah ok |
| 09:29.48 | kodaway | i missed that additional step |
| 09:29.50 | ojwb | sign up as a mentor if you want to check the UI there |
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| 09:30.01 | kodaway | (i'm also mentor so i see it) |
| 09:30.14 | ojwb | it |
| 09:30.23 | ojwb | is a bit superfluous for a small org |
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| 09:30.31 | ojwb | for an org with a lot of mentors, it's a good plan |
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| 09:30.45 | ojwb | it does at least avoid accidentally assigning the wrong mentor |
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| 09:35.47 | kodaway | yeah |
| 09:36.00 | kodaway | also a mentor can't be assigned multiple times can't he |
| 09:36.20 | AmineKhaldi | you mean mentor more than one project ? |
| 09:38.03 | ojwb | there's not a rule against it, but I'd caution trying it if you have a full time job |
| 09:38.18 | ojwb | or if you've not mentored in gsoc or something similar before |
| 09:38.35 | ojwb | caution *against* that is |
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| 09:39.31 | kodaway | yes it's our first year so it's better not to stress things too much |
| 09:39.37 | ojwb | if the student doesn't get good mentoring becuase you fail to give them enough time, that's bad for everyone - them, you, your org, google, the orgs who could have done a better job with that place... |
| 09:39.51 | |Kev| | If you've not mentored before for at least a couple of years, I'd advise against mentoring multiple students in the strongest way. |
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| 09:40.25 | AmineKhaldi | the co-mentoring bit is what I don't understand |
| 09:40.38 | ojwb | what's not to understand? |
| 09:40.43 | AmineKhaldi | should we invite them as mentors ? |
| 09:40.45 | ojwb | more than one mentor per student... |
| 09:40.48 | ojwb | yes |
| 09:40.50 | AmineKhaldi | and have two mentors for one project ? |
| 09:40.57 | ojwb | or more if you want |
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| 09:41.04 | ojwb | though too many cooks and all that |
| 09:41.06 | AmineKhaldi | and, is it possible in this case to set one as the main one, leaving the others as co-mentors ? |
| 09:41.15 | ojwb | one has to be the main one |
| 09:41.23 | ojwb | at least in melange |
| 09:41.28 | AmineKhaldi | the option will is there ? great |
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| 09:41.33 | AmineKhaldi | s/will is/is |
| 09:41.42 | ojwb | previously there was no "comentor" option as far as melange was concerned |
| 09:41.52 | ojwb | but I heard that some explicit support was planned |
| 09:42.13 | ojwb | so at least previous, you assigned one mentor per student in melange |
| 09:42.16 | AmineKhaldi | hmm, so for now I just tell the (co)mentors to register all as mentors, right ? |
| 09:42.18 | ojwb | but it's fine for others to help |
| 09:42.29 | ojwb | yes, then they can vote on proposals, etc |
| 09:42.36 | ojwb | and they'll get a tshirt if they want one |
| 09:42.42 | AmineKhaldi | noted |
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| 09:49.51 | Taggnostr | is there any place where I can find applications for gsoc2010? |
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| 09:56.24 | ojwb | Taggnostr: there's quite a few on the web |
| 09:56.43 | ojwb | the full applications aren't public in melange by default |
| 09:57.08 | Taggnostr | ojwb, I'm searching for the application I did last year |
| 09:57.11 | ojwb | you can see the title and short description of accepted ones, but that's not working right now |
| 09:57.25 | ojwb | i think you might be out of luck if you didn't keep a copy |
| 09:57.38 | ojwb | though asking nicely on #melange might help |
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| 09:58.29 | Taggnostr | does "that's not working right now" mean that it will work soon, or they have just been deleted? |
| 10:00.07 | ojwb | they are still there (and the urls work, but you need to know what they are which is hard to guess) |
| 10:00.34 | ojwb | the way to find them isn't in the currently running melange apparently |
| 10:00.49 | Taggnostr | I know the the exact title of the proposal if that might be useful |
| 10:00.50 | ojwb | you'd have to ask them when it's likely to work again |
| 10:01.04 | ojwb | well, it'll help if you ask on #melange I suspect |
| 10:01.13 | ojwb | i'm just relaying info I heard |
| 10:01.13 | Taggnostr | ok, let me try |
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| 10:37.41 | nishmu | Is there a way to see number of proposals accepted by a particular org in previous SOC's? |
| 10:41.16 | SukhE | !numapps |
| 10:41.18 | socinfo | SukhE: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 10:41.45 | SukhE | nishmu: That should answer your question. |
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| 10:42.16 | zgreg | this bot is so 2010 |
| 10:42.36 | nishmu | SukhE: Not as a whole, but by a particular org. Since they dont mention in their website |
| 10:43.54 | SukhE | Aah sorry I misread. That information should be here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 but right now the previous year's list is not working. |
| 10:44.12 | SukhE | (you will have to manually count the number of proposals accepted) |
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| 10:52.35 | djharsk | When I submit an application for a pre-defiend project, should I just copy/paste the short description from the mentors website, or should I write what I would like to focus on? |
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| 10:53.35 | JanisB | copy/paste is worse than your original thoughs |
| 10:53.47 | thiago_home | djharsk: your own ideas and what you want to work on is usually better |
| 10:54.02 | thiago_home | shows initiative, which is appreciated |
| 10:54.03 | thiago_home | (usually) |
| 10:54.15 | djharsk | Great. :) |
| 10:55.14 | hiemanshu | I just wrote something like 3 lines long saying what the project was |
| 10:55.21 | hiemanshu | make it short and sweet |
| 10:55.43 | djharsk | Should I replace the content part aswell with some short sentences, or just keep the bullet points? |
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| 10:56.09 | thiago_home | same answer |
| 10:56.24 | hiemanshu | djharsk: the content should have your application in the format the org has requested |
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| 10:56.50 | djharsk | Oh, so I guess i'll just keep the template. |
| 10:56.54 | hiemanshu | yeah |
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| 10:59.23 | djharsk | Are more projects/organisations likely to be added? |
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| 11:00.19 | kintec | The application time for mentoring organisations is over I think. |
| 11:00.36 | kintec | 175 were chosen, but projects can still be added (afaik) |
| 11:00.41 | djharsk | Alright. |
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| 11:00.47 | kintec | Since students can also come up with their own ideas. |
| 11:01.27 | lars_kurth | I was wondering whether any org has a lightweight student selection process and a number of good criteria. I have been looking around a bit, but most of what I found was not very clear |
| 11:01.53 | kblin | lars_kurth: I'm not sure I understand your question |
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| 11:03.05 | lars_kurth | How do you guys choose students: the common model seems to be a selection commitee, which goes over feedback received on the proposal (and engagement with the students). |
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| 11:03.40 | lars_kurth | That's what we did last year, but mentors felt whether it may bot be better to also have some objective guidelines |
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| 11:04.45 | naeg | lars_kurth: the project I'm currently engaged in, doesn't take knowledge for too important. they mostly look at social skills, enthusiasm, etc and this can't be written into an app |
| 11:05.09 | kblin | I'm not sure there's objective criteria that apply across projects |
| 11:05.34 | lars_kurth | I am looking for best practice really |
| 11:05.47 | lars_kurth | There will always be a degree of subjectivity |
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| 11:08.47 | kblin | lars_kurth: I'm afraid we also just look at our interactions with the student, the student's ideas on how to pull off the project and a bit of gut feeling of the mentors involved |
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| 11:09.15 | Payne | hi |
| 11:09.28 | Payne | I would like to ask a question |
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| 11:09.40 | happyaron | Hello, how many applicaints are needed to form a team? |
| 11:09.53 | Payne | I participated last year and want this year too |
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| 11:10.23 | Payne | the question is if student during the GSoC is considered as Google employee? |
| 11:10.41 | Payne | I remember something about this alst year, but I cannot find the information |
| 11:10.46 | shinnok | :)) |
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| 11:11.02 | lars_kurth | kblin: that is fine. Last year's mentors felt a bit uneasy about the subjectivity. So I am looking at ways to help them a bit. |
| 11:11.02 | shinnok | Payne, no |
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| 11:13.09 | kblin | lars_kurth: I'm afraid this is too dynamic a process to be captured by a few simple rules |
| 11:13.15 | Payne | shinnok: thanks |
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| 11:15.06 | shinnok | how soon can we expect replies from mentors regarding applications? |
| 11:15.55 | kintec | A few students asked me, if they can work on our GSoC as part of their Bacchelor Thesis, is this explicitly allowed/forbidden anywhere? I remember reading something about it, but I can't find it anymore. |
| 11:15.59 | shinnok | most of them wait for a pile of applications or till the end of the applying period? or should we expect replies as soon as possible? |
| 11:16.16 | Payne | shinnok: officially after deadline |
| 11:16.24 | Payne | they should just wait for all applications |
| 11:16.33 | Payne | last year I received some comments |
| 11:16.52 | shinnok | good to know, thanks |
| 11:16.55 | Payne | after you apply in melange, mentors and mentoring organization can post you some comments |
| 11:17.10 | kblin | shinnok: I comment pretty much immediately if I have things to comment on |
| 11:17.13 | gevaerts | happyaron: "form a team"? |
| 11:17.39 | Payne | so best strategy is post it this week and resolve comments next one |
| 11:17.51 | kblin | kintec: I don't think gsoc rules say anything about this, but university rules might |
| 11:18.03 | kintec | Ok, thanks. |
| 11:18.07 | kblin | Payne: I think it's best to apply as soon as possible |
| 11:18.20 | kblin | kintec: but read the TOS to be sure :) |
| 11:18.25 | happyaron | gevaerts: I mean to work on a project, is there a limit of minimium or maxium number of participants? |
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| 11:18.39 | Payne | kintec: there no such a thing as bachelor thesis, ... |
| 11:18.59 | kblin | Payne: depends |
| 11:19.07 | Payne | kintec: if you will be accepted by organization and you can provide source codes of your work, you can |
| 11:19.24 | shinnok | kintec, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#course_credit |
| 11:19.30 | kintec | Payne: well, there is. |
| 11:19.37 | kintec | Here anyway. |
| 11:19.43 | Payne | ? |
| 11:19.51 | kintec | We have bachelor's thesis |
| 11:20.04 | Payne | I mean not officially I dont see a problem |
| 11:20.20 | gevaerts | happyaron: well, within gsoc context projects should be done by one student each |
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| 11:20.24 | Payne | you mean receive credits for bachelor thesis for GSoC? |
| 11:21.09 | nickbarnesccf | question: how much filtering does Google do on student proposals, beyond the ratings done by mentoring orgs? |
| 11:21.16 | kintec | shinnok: thanks. |
| 11:21.18 | kblin | Payne: or use the software developed during gsoc as the practical part of the thesis |
| 11:21.36 | kblin | I know people who've done this |
| 11:22.11 | Payne | kblin: I dont see problem there |
| 11:22.15 | kblin | but some universities have rules about being paid for doing thesis projects |
| 11:22.29 | nickbarnesccf | that is, if we really like a proposal, how can we maximise it's chances of being funded? |
| 11:22.30 | kblin | so that's something that'd need checking with the university |
| 11:22.49 | shinnok | some universities take credit or dual licensing on such works and that most surely will conflict with the orgs license policies, thus one should really check it out with his university |
| 11:22.50 | nickbarnesccf | alternatively, if we think a proposal sucks, how can we prevent it from being funded? |
| 11:22.55 | kblin | nickbarnesccf: google just gives you a number of slots |
| 11:23.08 | nickbarnesccf | kblin: I know that. |
| 11:23.09 | kblin | nickbarnesccf: so if you really want to have a proposal, rank it first |
| 11:23.11 | Payne | kblin: ah, I see |
| 11:23.40 | nickbarnesccf | but do they do anything other than say "your top N ranked proposals"? |
| 11:23.41 | kblin | nickbarnesccf: if the student is eligible otherwise, google doesn't impose any further limitations |
| 11:23.46 | kblin | no |
| 11:23.50 | nickbarnesccf | kblin: OK, thanks. |
| 11:24.02 | kblin | you rank your proposal, google funds the top N of them |
| 11:24.04 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: you are mentor? |
| 11:24.12 | kblin | *proposals |
| 11:24.25 | nickbarnesccf | Payne: yes, and org admin. |
| 11:24.41 | nickbarnesccf | Payne: there are other mentors. |
| 11:24.45 | nickbarnesccf | (probably three others) |
| 11:25.10 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: for your information, last year in Gephi org there were about 25 aplications if I remember it right and 7 was accepted |
| 11:25.24 | nishmu | How many people, or more exactly who are the people who rank proposals in an org? |
| 11:25.30 | nickbarnesccf | Payne: thanks. |
| 11:25.31 | Talad | about ranking... is that the stars graph? |
| 11:25.55 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: you score the proposals and if something really sucks |
| 11:26.02 | kblin | nickbarnesccf: the only thing that could happen that'd cause you to not get the student would be a conflict where the student is accepted in multiple orgs |
| 11:26.03 | Payne | there is a checkbox to check |
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| 11:26.12 | Payne | and the proposal will be deleted automatically |
| 11:26.51 | nickbarnesccf | Payne: I'm expecting maybe ten or a dozenworthwhile proposals, and hoping for four or five accepted. |
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| 11:27.09 | kblin | nickbarnesccf: but like a week before the accepted students are announced, melange will tell you about these conflicts and you can take steps to resolve them |
| 11:27.21 | kblin | like talking to the other org, or talking to the student |
| 11:27.24 | nishmu | Does an org just decide that people who have commit access can vote for the proposals or is it done a diffrent way? |
| 11:27.33 | nickbarnesccf | kblin: OK. |
| 11:27.38 | kblin | nishmu: depends |
| 11:28.03 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: there should be basically no problem with choosing and dont thing Google wil lforce you to accept best applications |
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| 11:28.08 | bwright | Hello. |
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| 11:28.27 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: to be sure contact carol |
| 11:28.44 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: she will definitely know the answer |
| 11:28.59 | Payne | nickbarnesccf: anyway, what organization do you represent? |
| 11:29.17 | kblin | I know the answer to that one, and I've already given it, no need to bother carol :) |
| 11:30.06 | Payne | kblin: sorry, I cannot find it |
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| 11:30.17 | Payne | kblin: can you write it again< |
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| 11:37.39 | nickbarnesccf | Payne: Climate Code Foundation. |
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| 11:40.05 | Payne | ok |
| 11:40.14 | Payne | I must go see you all |
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| 11:44.32 | bobbens | developers developers developers developers |
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| 11:44.46 | kintec | I have four words for you |
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| 11:44.51 | kintec | I - LOVE - THIS - COMPANY |
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| 11:45.06 | bobbens | :) |
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| 11:46.08 | bobbens | man, I hate this philosophy of apply to a billion things because you won't get many and then having to forfeit them (not talking specifically about gsoc applications) |
| 11:46.33 | bobbens | not sure if I'll be doing something else during gsoc too >_> |
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| 11:48.27 | zgreg | kintec: you forgot the final "YEEEEEAAAHHH" |
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| 11:48.58 | kintec | Yeah, but I didn't want to deal with the "That's _FIVE_ words!!!111" people. |
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| 12:05.49 | djharsk | So.. I've written an application. Would anyone be so kind as to review it and give some feedback before I send it? ;) |
| 12:06.05 | |Kev| | djharsk: I suggest you ask the org in question. |
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| 12:07.25 | djharsk | Org? As in, organisation? |
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| 12:08.26 | |Kev| | Yes. |
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| 12:10.02 | bobbens | djharsk: you can update it |
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| 12:10.06 | bobbens | so send it :) |
| 12:10.14 | bobbens | and then update it if necessary (like if you get feedback) |
| 12:10.25 | bobbens | it should be made more clear that you can update them until the 8th imho |
| 12:10.25 | djharsk | Oh, cool. |
| 12:10.29 | bobbens | seems like a recurrent question |
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| 12:18.55 | ordex_ | hi people |
| 12:21.06 | bwright | Hello! |
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| 12:21.38 | djharsk | This might be a stupid question, but is the search function under accept organizations a bit.. broken? |
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| 12:22.04 | SRabbelier | djharsk: shouldn't be, why? |
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| 12:24.20 | djharsk | SRabbelier: I can't find an org I found just 5minutes ago |
| 12:24.38 | |Kev| | Quantum org? |
| 12:24.49 | djharsk | Orange. |
| 12:25.03 | SRabbelier | djharsk: bepkac? |
| 12:25.23 | |Kev| | between exists problem keyboard and chair? |
| 12:25.30 | djharsk | :P |
| 12:25.32 | djharsk | No, I dno. |
| 12:25.44 | djharsk | I can't find them under accepted organizations, atleast. |
| 12:25.47 | SRabbelier | djharsk: works fine for me |
| 12:26.07 | SRabbelier | http://awesomescreenshot.com/098ag9151 |
| 12:26.24 | djharsk | Shrug |
| 12:26.47 | SRabbelier | djharsk: screenshot? |
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| 12:27.11 | djharsk | I figured it out. For some reason it had redirected me to the 2010 webpage |
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| 12:28.11 | ordex_ | :p |
| 12:28.16 | ordex_ | btween the keyboard and the chair |
| 12:28.17 | ordex_ | eheh |
| 12:28.41 | ordex_ | SRabbelier: in the dashboard, should I also see a request for a student role after applying? |
| 12:29.11 | djharsk | http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s093629/Capture.PNG |
| 12:29.14 | djharsk | =( |
| 12:29.33 | djharsk | Abit confusing, since the upper part of the webpage states "gsoc 2011" :P |
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| 12:31.14 | SRabbelier | ordex_: no? |
| 12:31.40 | SRabbelier | djharsk: excellent point |
| 12:31.44 | SRabbelier | djharsk: we should update the banner |
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| 12:32.27 | ordex_ | SRabbelier: you meant: I don't have to see it |
| 12:32.28 | ordex_ | ? |
| 12:32.47 | SRabbelier | ordex_: there should not be any requests for student roles |
| 12:32.53 | SRabbelier | ordex_: are there? |
| 12:32.56 | ordex_ | SRabbelier: ok thanks |
| 12:32.57 | ordex_ | nono |
| 12:33.11 | ordex_ | there is only the application in the upper part |
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| 12:34.06 | SRabbelier | ordex_: don't scare me like that :P |
| 12:34.11 | ordex_ | ahah, sorry :P |
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| 12:34.44 | ordex_ | I thought that making an application should result in requesting a student role :p but sorry |
| 12:34.47 | ordex_ | :D |
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| 13:02.55 | djharsk | Woho. Application submitted \o/ |
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| 13:04.13 | ordex_ | \o/ |
| 13:04.15 | ordex_ | :D |
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| 13:04.48 | ordex_ | do we need to do something more after applying? (of course, we have to discuss the idea) but anything from an administrative point of view? |
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| 13:07.19 | SRabbelier | ordex_: not yet |
| 13:07.28 | ordex_ | SRabbelier: ok, thanks :) |
| 13:08.01 | ordex_ | SRabbelier: thank you for answering to all our questions :) |
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| 13:08.32 | SRabbelier | np :) |
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| 13:12.51 | MatthewWilkes | rostislav: What? |
| 13:13.36 | SRabbelier | redies the banstick |
| 13:13.39 | SRabbelier | **readies |
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| 13:16.38 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: i have a chance now to enter unicorns or kittens in my thesis |
| 13:16.39 | Nightrose | \o/ |
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| 13:17.07 | |Kev| | Nightrose: Good work. |
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| 13:17.11 | Nightrose | :P |
| 13:17.23 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: excellent! |
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| 13:17.32 | MatthewWilkes | Urgh, why does Kevin's connection seem to want to break once a week, what kind of crap internet is there in PA? |
| 13:17.33 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: you're DTRT after all |
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| 13:17.42 | Nightrose | lol |
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| 13:17.52 | SRabbelier | considers a temp ban |
| 13:18.00 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I do that on #plone usually |
| 13:18.05 | *** mode/#gsoc [+bbbb kevin7kal!*@* come!*@* back!*@* when!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 13:18.05 | *** mode/#gsoc [+bbb your!*@* connection!*@* works!*@*] by SRabbelier |
| 13:18.10 | SRabbelier | oops |
| 13:18.28 | SRabbelier | no ban message :P |
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| 13:19.37 | Narcissus | /ignores all PART and JOIN messages on freenode - it's useful when there's a netsplit ;) |
| 13:20.05 | raincole | Why can't I see my dashboard? |
| 13:20.20 | SRabbelier | raincole: that's an excellent question? |
| 13:20.24 | MatthewWilkes | you're not wearing your glasses? |
| 13:21.10 | raincole | My GsoC menu is:home, about, Event&Timeline, Connect With Us, Help, Logout |
| 13:21.16 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I had a similar thought |
| 13:21.22 | SRabbelier | raincole: sounds like you don't have a profile then |
| 13:21.30 | raincole | But not dashboard... it's normal? |
| 13:21.38 | raincole | Uh.. How can I make or get one? |
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| 13:21.52 | raincole | Register as a Student? |
| 13:22.01 | SRabbelier | raincole: assuming you want to, yes |
| 13:22.19 | raincole | Oh, thank you. |
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| 13:35.59 | EclipseGc | is there any documentation concerning specifics on undergrad students who are not citizens of the US participating in gsoc? |
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| 13:36.55 | ordex_ | is there any kind of problem for that? |
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| 13:39.39 | blast007 | EclipseGc: check the FAQ ( http://goo.gl/Up2Qf ) and this fancy flow chart ( http://goo.gl/kvCSv ) |
| 13:39.49 | EclipseGc | blast007: thx |
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| 13:42.32 | EclipseGc | ordex_: yes see: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#who |
| 13:42.41 | EclipseGc | ordex_: second paragraph of answer |
| 13:42.58 | EclipseGc | ordex_: specifies you CAN participate if you have a work authorization on your F1 |
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| 13:44.01 | MatthewWilkes | EclipseGc: Have you seen the abbreviation 'e.g.' before? |
| 13:44.03 | MatthewWilkes | It means for example |
| 13:44.31 | MatthewWilkes | EclipseGc: The relevant bit is You may be enrolled as a full-time or part-time student. You must also be eligible to work in the country in which you'll reside throughout the duration of the program |
| 13:44.36 | EclipseGc | MatthewWilkes: yeah... I'm quite aware of what e.g. means |
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| 13:45.03 | EclipseGc | MatthewWilkes: right, and since the person I'm specifically interested in has an F1 visa, the example was perfect for my scenario |
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| 13:46.13 | |Kev| | My understanding of the F1 situation is that if you're on an F1 you can't participate, but if you are on an F1 and have applied to the goverment to get work authorisation, you can. |
| 13:46.15 | MatthewWilkes | EclipseGc: Then what's the problem? Anyway, if it's not you, let them work it out, they likely have a much better idea of their situation. |
| 13:46.28 | |Kev| | But I am neither American, nor a lawyer. |
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| 13:47.07 | EclipseGc | MatthewWilkes: it's my brother-in-law, he's looking for something to do for the summer, I have the technical expertise to mentor him in certain projects, so... it seems a good fit, but I'm unsure of his work status |
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| 13:48.24 | EclipseGc | |Kev|: and many F1's apply for that to get "work study" with their schools which is typically paid |
| 13:48.44 | |Kev| | Working for your school is different under an F1, as I understand it. |
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| 13:49.20 | |Kev| | Oh, right, you mean course credit for working - yes, I believe GSoC can count for that. |
| 13:49.27 | |Kev| | (As long as you apply for it etc.) |
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| 13:49.45 | EclipseGc | no, I meant getting paid for grading papers and such |
| 13:50.16 | |Kev| | Ok, I believe that 'on campus' work like that is different, and they're automatically able to do that up to 20hours/week in term and 40hours/week out of term. |
| 13:50.24 | |Kev| | Don't take my word for this, of course. |
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| 13:50.43 | EclipseGc | |Kev|: yeah, the specifics of that are unimportant |
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| 13:53.04 | bwright | In Australia it seems potentially fine to use GSOC for credits provided you can convince the right people. |
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| 14:01.25 | koda|work | hey SRabbelier would it be possible to add a tag to the google-mentor-list mailing list? |
| 14:01.39 | koda|work | it would make sorting so much easier and topics tidier |
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| 14:01.44 | SRabbelier | koda|work: I'm not an admin for it :( |
| 14:01.58 | SRabbelier | koda|work: your MUA doesn't support filtering by mailinglist? |
| 14:02.22 | koda|work | it does, but it drives me nuts that this list is the only one without a tag :D |
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| 14:02.40 | koda|work | so sometimes i think i'm in the inbox rather than in the ML folder |
| 14:02.53 | drt24 | SRabbelier: bccing to the mailing list breaks my filters ;-) |
| 14:03.23 | SRabbelier | drt24: threading ftw? |
| 14:03.42 | SRabbelier | drt24: make me my own filter ;) |
| 14:03.59 | drt24 | the server doesn't filter it into the correct folder so it doesn't match up with the other mentors list emails |
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| 14:04.15 | drt24 | ;-) |
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| 14:09.55 | Gambit_ | Hi everyone |
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| 14:13.52 | greggy | anyone, are there any rules about using the GSoC logo image in our promo materials? |
| 14:15.11 | SRabbelier | greggy: yes |
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| 14:15.32 | SRabbelier | greggy: (I don't know it though) |
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| 14:15.45 | SRabbelier | greggy: doesn't it say on the page you can download the logo from? |
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| 14:16.16 | greggy | hunting for it, found the image but no details |
| 14:16.30 | SRabbelier | greggy: *nod* |
| 14:16.52 | greggy | hunting some more |
| 14:17.05 | SRabbelier | greggy: need a spinny ball? |
| 14:17.24 | greggy | ;-) |
| 14:17.31 | SRabbelier | greggy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WaitCursor-300p.gif |
| 14:17.33 | SRabbelier | there you go |
| 14:17.43 | greggy | just found it myself, thx |
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| 14:18.21 | greggy | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocLogos |
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| 14:18.52 | ordex_ | is it possible to see the mentor list of a particular organisation? |
| 14:19.02 | SRabbelier | ordex_: only if you're an org admin |
| 14:19.06 | SRabbelier | ordex_: why would you want that? |
| 14:19.28 | ordex_ | to be sure that the mentor I'm going to suggest in the application is actually a mentor |
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| 14:19.51 | dberkholz | it's pretty easy to just sign up in the webapp |
| 14:20.06 | dberkholz | i'd ask your mentor directly |
| 14:20.28 | ordex_ | :p |
| 14:20.36 | ordex_ | sounds simpler :) |
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| 14:24.33 | cristina | !numapps |
| 14:24.34 | socinfo | cristina: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 14:59.04 | JaneWells | does anyone know the average ratio on how many students apply : how many students are accepted |
| 14:59.52 | Sh4wn | !numapps |
| 14:59.54 | socinfo | Sh4wn: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 15:14.13 | SRabbelier | !odds |
| 15:14.14 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 15:14.15 | SRabbelier | JaneWells: ^ |
| 15:14.44 | SRabbelier | lonocvb: please don't PM me without permission |
| 15:14.50 | SRabbelier | lonocvb: ask your question here so everybody can benefit |
| 15:14.59 | JaneWells | SRabbelier: i wasn't asking as a student. i'm an org admin and am writing a post for wordpress.org about gsoc, just wanted some historical data |
| 15:15.12 | lonocvb | SRabbelier: oh, sry |
| 15:15.21 | JaneWells | the numapps info was just what i needed |
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| 15:15.41 | lonocvb | SRabbelier: i am wrong to register as a mentor, can i fix it? |
| 15:16.01 | SRabbelier | JaneWells: ah ^^ |
| 15:16.12 | SRabbelier | lonocvb: email me your link_id and I can fix it |
| 15:17.01 | lonocvb | SRabbelier: thx :P |
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| 15:18.00 | jagan | the link for available organisations is not working...i think so! |
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| 15:19.00 | SRabbelier | jagan: please be more specific |
| 15:20.17 | jagan | after registring my self as a student on the site. there was a link to see the available organisations for gsoc.i clicked it and saw nothing on the page. |
| 15:22.52 | jagan | ? |
| 15:22.54 | SRabbelier | jagan: what url? |
| 15:23.06 | SRabbelier | jagan: can you provide a screenshot? (I recommend awesomescreenshot.com ) |
| 15:23.12 | jagan | ok |
| 15:23.14 | jagan | wait |
| 15:23.22 | |Kev| | awesomescreenshot.com, as recommended by SRabbelier. |
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| 15:24.49 | shamkumarp | hello every one... |
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| 15:25.59 | jagan | srabbelier: the link is working now. |
| 15:26.14 | jagan | by the way the link was http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 15:26.38 | SRabbelier | notes to self, always ask for screenshot, very effective in fixing things |
| 15:26.57 | shamkumarp | ..i have a small clarification... i am a student have registered... and while posting a Proposal ... it is asking for the "Assigned Mentor".. anybdy know what should i enter in this. |
| 15:26.58 | jagan | n1 |
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| 15:27.35 | SRabbelier | shamkumarp: say what now?! |
| 15:28.13 | zgreg | shamkumarp: uhm, talk to the org? |
| 15:28.23 | shamkumarp | no... |
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| 15:28.39 | dberkholz | that shouldn't be showing up for students |
| 15:28.44 | JaneWells | would it be possible to get a basic google logo in vector format for a soc flyer? the official soc logo this year is not really usable for a flyer people can print on white paper |
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| 15:29.12 | |Kev| | JaneWells: If you use the Google logo, you're going to have to go through Google's lawyers first. If you use GSoC's logo, you don't. |
| 15:29.21 | JaneWells | sigh |
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| 15:29.33 | JaneWells | the gsoc logo isn't even a logo, it's an entire flyer in itslef, done up tron-style |
| 15:29.38 | |Kev| | You're not the first person to notice the white paper thing. |
| 15:29.57 | JaneWells | guess i'll just use the word google in plain text then |
| 15:30.05 | shamkumarp | i have basically tried to propose one project to Apache Software Foundation... and while entring descrption it is asking me "Assigned Mentor" .. i am confused what to enter here... |
| 15:30.16 | SRabbelier | shamkumarp: screenshot please |
| 15:30.47 | SRabbelier | !learn screenshot as Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 15:30.48 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:30.50 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 15:30.51 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 15:30.57 | SRabbelier | excellent |
| 15:30.58 | Sh4wn | yeah the logo of previous year is 100x better |
| 15:31.27 | SRabbelier | Sh4wn: use last year's logo then |
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| 15:31.59 | shamkumarp | how do i send the screen shot Rabbelier? |
| 15:32.09 | shamkumarp | please guide me i am new in here.... |
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| 15:32.53 | hikik0 | hello |
| 15:34.27 | thiago_home | shamkumarp: use an imagebin |
| 15:34.36 | thiago_home | shamkumarp: like imagebin.com or imgur.com |
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| 15:34.59 | shamkumarp | ok thanks thiago... |
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| 15:39.17 | apoorvaraob | Are undergraduate students eligible to apply? |
| 15:39.36 | jagan | yes apooorva |
| 15:39.45 | apoorvaraob | Thank you! |
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| 15:49.43 | SRabbelier | lonocvb: Please send this email address from the same account as the link id, I couldn't mail you back, the email got bounced |
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| 15:55.24 | sdimkov | . |
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| 15:56.57 | SRabbelier | sdimkov: seconded |
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| 15:59.44 | lonocvb | SRabbelier: oh, sry i'am stupid :( |
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| 15:59.58 | SRabbelier | lonocvb: np |
| 16:00.25 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 16:00.26 | socinfo | mlankhorst: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 16:16.14 | SRabbelier | turns out shamkumarp1124 was just confused about ASF's template, not a Melange-related problem :) |
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| 16:48.54 | marekweb | Hello; is there a resolution method for students being accepted for more than one proposal? |
| 16:49.05 | |Kev| | marekweb: There is. |
| 16:49.08 | mlankhorst | yeah dont worry about it |
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| 16:50.18 | marekweb | do the student have a say in it, if they have a "first choice"? |
| 16:50.28 | Ivanovic | marekweb: sometimes but not always |
| 16:50.47 | |Kev| | Usually. |
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| 16:52.26 | Ivanovic | with other words: only propose projects taht you really want to do |
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| 16:59.50 | carols | serves some cookies |
| 16:59.51 | carols | hello all |
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| 17:00.42 | oy | Ivanovic: if students would have a chance to see their project accepted while a organisation is running out of slots that would be a no issue |
| 17:00.56 | marcg | hey carols |
| 17:01.01 | carols | hey marcg |
| 17:01.06 | Ivanovic | oy: there are reasons for the current system |
| 17:01.12 | oy | otherwise students have better chances if a Org is full |
| 17:01.29 | oy | no one doubt that :-) |
| 17:01.34 | Ivanovic | oy: the main reason is that some orgs might not have a "good enough" alternativ if they lost the project while the other project has enough "backups" |
| 17:02.19 | Ivanovic | that is why in the backup meeting the first question asked is "do you have a suitable backup, too?" and if that is the case, the student is simply asked |
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| 17:06.28 | gevaerts | munches some cookies :) |
| 17:07.03 | oy | Last year we had some high ranked projects, but only a few where slotted. One student proposed even to several projects for us :-) |
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| 17:18.39 | djharsk | Will I be notified by email if there's new comments to my application? |
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| 17:18.49 | manugupt1 | Hi All |
| 17:18.53 | marcg | howdy |
| 17:19.00 | manugupt1 | I have a question while filling up the form |
| 17:19.02 | marcg | djharsk, not yet |
| 17:19.02 | Yi | Hi all |
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| 17:19.15 | marcg | hi Yi |
| 17:19.20 | manugupt1 | Should I give my residence address or my hostells address |
| 17:19.26 | manugupt1 | hi marcg |
| 17:19.36 | Yi | I'm testing my irc client:-) |
| 17:19.43 | marcg | Yi, is it working? |
| 17:19.53 | marcg | manugupt1, not sure about that one, sorry |
| 17:20.04 | Yi | I'm Chinese, so irc doesn't work well sometimes |
| 17:20.06 | manugupt1 | Yi: did you make it |
| 17:20.32 | Yi | Yes, it works well now. |
| 17:20.36 | Yi | Thank you |
| 17:20.41 | marcg | yay |
| 17:20.55 | manugupt1 | Congrats Yi |
| 17:21.16 | Yi | lol |
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| 17:44.23 | dberkholz | djharsk: nope, that's being implemented now. check regularly |
| 17:45.14 | djharsk | Great =) |
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| 17:51.58 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: did I miss anything? |
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| 17:58.24 | declan | hi, i had a quick question about the mentor-protoge happenings |
| 17:59.08 | declan | i was wondering if the mentor for an organization picks the students they help, or if the organization makes the decision |
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| 18:02.23 | downeym | SRabbelier: btw you guys deserve kudos for responding quickly to our rants :) |
| 18:02.26 | dhaun | declan: depends on how the org handles it, but I guess it's at least partially a group effort in most cases |
| 18:02.53 | SRabbelier | downeym: thank you, it's hard to stay upbeat when people are so negative thoug |
| 18:03.09 | downeym | SRabbelier: we're users and as such we're flawed :) |
| 18:03.17 | downeym | (and unreasonable at times!) |
| 18:03.18 | SRabbelier | downeym: can I have new users? :( |
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| 18:03.29 | downeym | looks around for a replacement |
| 18:03.46 | carols | offers SRabbelier some caramels |
| 18:03.47 | downeym | SRabbelier: so far no one crazy enough to want my job :) |
| 18:04.02 | SRabbelier | carols: *smiles*, thanks |
| 18:04.06 | carols | :-) |
| 18:05.25 | dhaun | in the user's guide for google-melange.com, does anyone else see the anchor image repeat such that the headlines become unreadable? |
| 18:05.28 | dhaun | e.g. http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#quickstart_guide |
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| 18:05.54 | SRabbelier | dhaun: I see it exactly once |
| 18:05.56 | SRabbelier | dhaun: browser/os? |
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| 18:06.06 | dhaun | Firefox 3 |
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| 18:06.36 | dhaun | right, no such problem in Opera or Safari |
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| 18:10.18 | dhaun | looks like FF3 doesn't like the CSS |
| 18:10.20 | dhaun | Warning: Expected end of value but found 'no-repeat'. Error in parsing value for 'background-repeat'. Declaration dropped. |
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| 18:14.00 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: email notifications |
| 18:14.07 | dberkholz | re your earlier question |
| 18:14.10 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah |
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| 18:18.57 | Michitux | dhaun: I've the same problem in FF4 |
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| 18:21.08 | marcg | davidsusanto is going through an identity crisis.. |
| 18:22.00 | davidsusanto | marcg: lol sorry, just setup my nick :P |
| 18:22.14 | marcg | davidsusanto, no worries, just thought it was funny |
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| 18:23.04 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 18:23.37 | gevaerts | mixes some tea and coffee and drinks the lot |
| 18:23.44 | marcg | prefers hot chocolate |
| 18:24.31 | carols | wow, lots of people in here today |
| 18:24.35 | carols | serves cookies too |
| 18:24.38 | gevaerts | Sorry, drinks are like melange. You get what you get, and if you want something else, you help out :) |
| 18:24.40 | MatthewWilkes | nom nom nom |
| 18:24.47 | gevaerts | Woo! Cookies! |
| 18:24.48 | marcg | gevaerts, well said |
| 18:25.00 | carols | thank you gevaerts. very well said |
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| 18:25.11 | dbs | gevaerts++ |
| 18:25.13 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: wise words |
| 18:25.28 | SRabbelier | wonders why gevaerts isn't +v yet, after all the wisdom he's been spamming |
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| 18:26.12 | scorche | well, we previously only used +v to denote bots in the channel in the past |
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| 18:26.31 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: It's Google Employees and people who've been awesome since GSoC started at the top and proles down here, isn't it? ;) |
| 18:26.44 | dberkholz | maybe we just need a fortune bot for sayings like that one |
| 18:26.50 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: that's because of the healthy doses of sillyness in between the rare bits wisdom :) |
| 18:27.05 | marcg | dberkholz++ |
| 18:27.06 | scorche | I am currently re-reading the Dune series and gevaerts's line there means something different entirely to me upon first read-through ;) |
| 18:27.24 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ah, truth |
| 18:27.41 | scorche | !learn wisdom as Sorry, drinks are like melange. You get what you get, and if you want something else, you help out :) |
| 18:27.42 | socinfo | scorche: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:27.54 | marcg | !wisdom |
| 18:27.54 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 18:27.55 | socinfo | marcg: "wisdom" is Sorry, drinks are like melange. You get what you get, and if you want something else, you help out :) |
| 18:27.58 | marcg | hahaha |
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| 18:42.40 | eljake14 | Hello, I am Santiago. I don know what I did wrong but I am registered as a mentor, and I am a student. How can I change it? |
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| 18:44.00 | carols | eljake14: SRabbelier can help you |
| 18:44.14 | SRabbelier | eljake14: email me your link_id |
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| 18:46.53 | SRabbelier | eljake14: email me please, from the account you are regsitered in Melange with |
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| 18:47.21 | eljake14 | Ok. What is your email? |
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| 18:49.48 | SRabbelier | eljake14: my nick at gmail |
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| 18:54.32 | marcg | has an urge to create mynick@gmail.com |
| 18:54.46 | JAYNEIL | Hey all...I tried to sumbit my Gsoc 11 proposal..But when I hit the submit button, the web page displayed "Invalid XSRF token." So how do I remove it..? |
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| 18:57.37 | kblin | marcg: you're probably too late |
| 18:58.24 | JAYNEIL | please help me with my query....Thank you...!!! |
| 18:58.35 | marcg | kblin, you're right |
| 19:00.46 | kblin | JAYNEIL: I blame SRabbelier ;) |
| 19:01.20 | SRabbelier | am I regularly missing messages? |
| 19:01.29 | SRabbelier | oh, marc emotes ---" |
| 19:01.37 | SRabbelier | **emoted -_-" |
| 19:01.41 | SRabbelier | I hate this irc client |
| 19:01.46 | SRabbelier | JAYNEIL: just refresh the page |
| 19:01.51 | SRabbelier | JAYNEIL: (copy your proposal first) |
| 19:02.03 | marcg | SRabbelier, did you say my name? |
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| 19:02.21 | JAYNEIL | ok...thanks a lot..:-) |
| 19:02.37 | SRabbelier | marcg: I did |
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| 19:02.48 | marcg | I emoted? |
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| 19:07.45 | JAYNEIL | just submitted my proposal.. |
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| 19:09.57 | ignatov | Hello, I'm looking for google-melange.com. I wrote a long and erroneous comment to my proposal. Is there any way to remove it? |
| 19:10.12 | ignatov | Hello, I'm looking for google-melange.com admin. I wrote a long and erroneous comment to my proposal. Is there any way to remove it? |
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| 19:11.27 | SukhE | Comments on proposals can't be edited iirc. ignatov, buzz SRabbelier. |
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| 19:11.42 | ojwb | but have chocolate to hand... |
| 19:11.51 | carols | chocolate helps everything. |
| 19:11.53 | SRabbelier | correct, no edits |
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| 19:12.27 | SRabbelier | ignatov: just post another comment asking them to ignore the messup |
| 19:12.35 | SRabbelier | ignatov: mentors are very understanding people |
| 19:12.40 | SRabbelier | to himself adds: usually |
| 19:12.46 | ojwb | we're used to reversing broken commits |
| 19:13.00 | kblin | SRabbelier: minus a couple of people on the mailing list? ;) |
| 19:13.05 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: most of the people complaining about the scoring system are mentors! |
| 19:13.09 | ignatov | ok, thanks |
| 19:13.11 | dberkholz | i feel a little better about our really low proposal count since counting about 35 people on the mailing list and irc asking about gentoo |
| 19:13.15 | SRabbelier | kblin: I think it's better if I don't comment on that |
| 19:13.18 | ojwb | unless it's a proposal for git, they like to rewrite history |
| 19:13.23 | dberkholz | hopefully they show up later. |
| 19:13.35 | ojwb | dberkholz: how many do you have in? |
| 19:13.47 | dberkholz | ojwb: 2 (+2 spam) |
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| 19:14.00 | kblin | dberkholz: I have one proposal submitted total for the two orgs I admin |
| 19:14.06 | dberkholz | not surprisingly, they're both really good. |
| 19:14.18 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: good spam? nice :) |
| 19:14.23 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: dont' remind me |
| 19:14.25 | dberkholz | the ones who need the least help generally seem to be the ones with the most opportunity to get help |
| 19:14.29 | ojwb | hmm, I think we (xapian) fall into the popular camp then- we've 8 (and one duplicate) |
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| 19:15.02 | ojwb | and at least a couple more that have discussed a lot on irc, so I would be amazed if they didn't submit soon |
| 19:15.04 | dberkholz | we added a new requirement this year that was "fix a real bug" instead of previously, where they made useless patches |
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| 19:15.30 | ojwb | actually, make one of those spam |
| 19:15.53 | ojwb | dberkholz: I guess that'll mean you get proposals later |
| 19:16.29 | dberkholz | we always get a bunch in the last couple of days, no matter how much time i spend telling people that it's better for them to apply early |
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| 19:20.36 | ojwb | ooh, I have the "for this i will be using oracale, java and php for database and for site design" |
| 19:21.04 | ojwb | which sounds exactly like what somebody else quoted yesterday |
| 19:21.11 | ojwb | so make that 2 spam |
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| 19:22.39 | eljake14 | SRabbelier: Have you recived my email? |
| 19:23.02 | SRabbelier | eljake14: yes |
| 19:23.06 | SRabbelier | !patience |
| 19:23.07 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
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| 19:24.49 | eljake14 | SRabbelier: Ok. Thanks you. |
| 19:25.05 | eljake14 | SRabbelier: I just wanted to be sure. |
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| 19:25.25 | kblin | ojwb: ooooh, can I use ocaml, couchdb and SSI? |
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| 19:25.49 | ojwb | well, the irony is that the proposal title actually fits one of our suggested project ideas |
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| 19:25.58 | ojwb | which is why i didn't spot it as spam right away |
| 19:26.41 | ojwb | pokes melange |
| 19:26.49 | kblin | oh, google also has non-braindead recruiters... |
| 19:26.52 | kblin | wow :) |
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| 19:27.11 | carols | kblin: did one of them contact you? :-) |
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| 19:27.58 | ojwb | interesting - i made two public comments on different proposals - one has a white background, the other cyan |
| 19:28.07 | carols | dberkholz: you are one of my heroes for the day, thank you |
| 19:28.10 | dberkholz | does it just alternate? |
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| 19:28.23 | ojwb | not sure |
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| 19:28.45 | ojwb | also, a slowly submitting comment seemed to stop me loading the dashboard |
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| 19:28.55 | ojwb | i wonder if there's some sort of per user lock |
| 19:29.00 | dberkholz | carols: aww, thank you. nice to have things the other way around for a change. what'd i do this time? |
| 19:29.33 | kblin | carols: well, she didn't use "Hello from Google!" as subject, that's a good start :) |
| 19:29.53 | carols | dberkholz: your replies to our mentors :-) |
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| 19:30.09 | carols | kblin: yes, that is a good start. but you have to ask yourself: is she prepared to offer you the best job at google? ;-) |
| 19:30.11 | dhaun | kblin: she used "Hello again from Google"? ;-) |
| 19:30.13 | dberkholz | kblin: heh. /me look at his last recruiter email ... same, but no exclamation |
| 19:30.48 | kblin | carols: unlikely, from the link she sent me |
| 19:30.53 | gevaerts | carols: is the best job at google available? ;) |
| 19:31.07 | kblin | actually, might be a he, the name is kind of ambiguous in english |
| 19:31.33 | MatthewWilkes | Should I be offended that the recruitibots never call me? |
| 19:31.34 | carols | gevaerts: after the emails today, it might become so :-) |
| 19:31.46 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i can fix that if you'd like? |
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| 19:31.56 | kblin | anyway, the mail mentions how they got the idea that kind of job interested me |
| 19:31.57 | MatthewWilkes | carols: no, no, no, that's ok :) |
| 19:32.01 | gevaerts | carols: ignore them and have some chocolate instead! |
| 19:32.08 | carols | MatthewWilkes: figured thats what you'd say :-) |
| 19:32.14 | carols | thanks gevaerts, i appreciate it |
| 19:32.25 | ojwb | kblin: how? |
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| 19:32.37 | carols | kblin: o rly? that sounds cool |
| 19:32.39 | kblin | carols: wait, last year didn't give you an idea what it'd be like? |
| 19:32.57 | ojwb | the mentor list was really calm last year though |
| 19:33.06 | carols | kblin: oh, it did. and i still have an awesome job. but my happiness with my community ebbs and flows, if you know what i mean. |
| 19:33.07 | ojwb | (assuming those are the emails) |
| 19:33.22 | dberkholz | carols: how could a recruiter offer us your job? |
| 19:33.31 | kblin | ojwb: yeah, a former gsoc student of mine seems to have interviewed at google and mentioned me when asked for "outstanding computer science people he worked with" |
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| 19:33.57 | carols | dberkholz: he/she couldn't. i was being tongue-in-cheek, apparently not very successfully :-) |
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| 19:34.33 | kblin | carols: I'm german, I don't do humour. not sure what dberkholz' excuse is |
| 19:34.47 | dberkholz | i have a german name, it's hereditary |
| 19:34.47 | Dark_Shikari | Oh crap, a German? |
| 19:34.49 | Dark_Shikari | Don't mention the war! |
| 19:35.00 | brianherman | guys have any tips on writing a proposal? |
| 19:35.03 | MatthewWilkes | I can't go anywhere without loads of germans around |
| 19:35.20 | ojwb | brianherman: the student guide has tips and a couple of samples |
| 19:35.25 | carols | brianherman: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/writing-a-proposal/ |
| 19:35.27 | SRabbelier | Dark_Shikari: you get a cookie for making an appropriate, if edgy, Monty Python reference :P |
| 19:35.38 | ojwb | carols: beat me to it... |
| 19:35.52 | SRabbelier | !proposal |
| 19:35.54 | carols | ojwb: at least there's something today i'm doing well |
| 19:35.54 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "proposal" is All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#student_app for details and examples |
| 19:35.54 | ojwb | s'not really python |
| 19:36.05 | ojwb | fawlty towers |
| 19:36.06 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: maybe there needs to be a blinking red link to current status of melange features, so people stop asking the same things 20 times a day. |
| 19:36.16 | SRabbelier | ojwb: those are the same in my mind, sorry |
| 19:36.28 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: I was visiting my home town, waiting at a bus stop, this little old lady comes up to me and starts asking me how much the bus fare is in german |
| 19:36.33 | dberkholz | it's really getting absurd. we ask students to read the archives, but mentors don't do the same? |
| 19:36.39 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: people are blind and don't care to read anything |
| 19:36.46 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: they want us to be their lookup table |
| 19:36.48 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: such is life |
| 19:36.50 | dberkholz | i've got it |
| 19:37.01 | dberkholz | for each repetition, slot_count-- |
| 19:37.02 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: they got you man |
| 19:37.05 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you're germinified |
| 19:37.10 | carols | dberkholz: good idea. so noted. |
| 19:37.11 | kblin | puts on his asbestos suit and opens the mentor list :) |
| 19:37.15 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and you think we're not already doing this why? |
| 19:37.28 | kblin | SRabbelier: because you're not handing out negative slots? |
| 19:37.28 | carols | what SRabbelier said |
| 19:37.29 | SRabbelier | kblin: you seen the news about Japan? |
| 19:37.33 | carols | has a LONG list |
| 19:37.33 | SRabbelier | kblin: that's about the climiate on the mentor list |
| 19:37.50 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: that must have been quite a shock |
| 19:37.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: *grin*, yes we are, slots removed from future program participation :P |
| 19:37.57 | kblin | SRabbelier: I doubt that. the mentor list will be fine in a couple of months |
| 19:38.09 | SRabbelier | kblin: low half-life |
| 19:38.09 | ojwb | hmm over 100 mails |
| 19:38.15 | ojwb | I was only asleep 8 hours |
| 19:38.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: half low-life as well, I bet |
| 19:38.35 | brianherman | what are the requirements for a student |
| 19:38.39 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 19:38.50 | carols | brianherman: did you read the entire FAQ and the student guide? |
| 19:38.54 | dberkholz | ojwb: 35 about the new scoring system, and the rest repeating things like "do we have email notifications" and "how do i edit tags" |
| 19:38.54 | SRabbelier | ojwb: your first mistake, you went to sleep |
| 19:38.59 | SRabbelier | !gsoccable |
| 19:39.01 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsoccable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 19:39.02 | ojwb | if I just archive the last 8 hours from the mentor list, am I missing anything? |
| 19:39.04 | SRabbelier | brianherman: ^ |
| 19:39.09 | carols | ojwb: nope |
| 19:39.13 | AlexP | SRabbelier: I work for IRSN, the French nuclear safety people - it has been interesting recently :) |
| 19:39.13 | SRabbelier | ojwb: no, and you're winning a lot |
| 19:39.18 | brianherman | thanks |
| 19:39.19 | MatthewWilkes | The mentor list doesn't seem too weird at the moment,what thread am I missing? |
| 19:39.20 | SRabbelier | ojwb: (e.g., not losing faith in humanity) |
| 19:39.25 | ojwb | i'll read the first message tagged announce |
| 19:39.33 | SRabbelier | AlexP: any secret insight on the situation? :P |
| 19:39.44 | AlexP | Sadly no :) |
| 19:40.14 | scorche | SRabbelier: his sort of insights generally are something like "oh - my hands arent transparent!" |
| 19:40.20 | brianherman | i thought junior colleges didnt count or something |
| 19:40.30 | AlexP | scorche: That was a valuable insight! |
| 19:40.36 | SRabbelier | scorche: heheh :P |
| 19:40.48 | scorche | SRabbelier: and i am being perfectly serious =) |
| 19:40.55 | AlexP | Sadly true |
| 19:41.05 | gevaerts | And "This molecule has more than two atoms, it's too complex for me!" :) |
| 19:41.25 | AlexP | This is a rule of thumb, I occasionally go as high as 3 or 4 :) |
| 19:41.34 | brianherman | thanks you guys |
| 19:41.35 | brianherman | you rock |
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| 19:41.40 | SRabbelier | writes off AlexP |
| 19:41.48 | AlexP | :/ |
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| 19:41.53 | gevaerts | AlexP: is the lack of transparent hands why you now do nuclear things? |
| 19:42.10 | AlexP | gevaerts: Maybe they will become transparent |
| 19:42.10 | scorche | gevaerts: well, lasers sure didnt work out well |
| 19:42.21 | AlexP | I still use them, and they worked fine thanks :) |
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| 19:42.32 | scorche | should tell more rockbox people to join this channel ;) |
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| 19:43.28 | gevaerts | scorche: we would still like to do gsoc next year! :) |
| 19:43.33 | scorche | oh, right |
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| 19:46.11 | kblin | hehe |
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| 19:49.28 | brewster | so what are the rules as far as being enrolled/accepted into college in order to participate? |
| 19:49.29 | kblin | !stars |
| 19:49.59 | gevaerts | !eligible |
| 19:50.01 | socinfo | gevaerts: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 19:50.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: stars? |
| 19:50.17 | gevaerts | brewster: that link is the easy-to-follow version |
| 19:50.58 | brewster | so me being accepted into an accredited college is good enough? |
| 19:51.23 | kblin | !learn stars as range from * to ************ |
| 19:51.23 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:51.34 | kblin | there, my ultimate answer to this scoring stuff |
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| 19:51.44 | gevaerts | kblin: that's my password! |
| 19:51.50 | Triskelios | brewster: if the flowchart says you're eligible, you are eligible |
| 19:51.55 | brewster | ok |
| 19:51.56 | kblin | gevaerts: * |
| 19:51.56 | brewster | ty |
| 19:52.16 | kblin | gevaerts: you need to get a mac |
| 19:52.21 | kblin | it's different there |
| 19:52.25 | brewster | another question: |
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| 19:52.57 | brewster | im going to move around the middle of june. which address do I put? |
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| 19:54.04 | carols | brewster: the one you're currently at since we'll be shipping stuff to you in may. then change it later. |
| 19:54.16 | brewster | ok |
| 19:54.17 | brewster | ty |
| 19:54.24 | carols | yw |
| 19:54.48 | kblin | I wasn't aware some people have been making up GSoC as they went back in 1995 |
| 19:54.51 | redache | w |
| 19:54.56 | kblin | I'm impressed |
| 19:55.14 | scorche | kblin: such a nice clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk ;) thanks for the reminder |
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| 19:55.17 | gevaerts | kblin: it was orgsanised by minus-google back then |
| 19:55.41 | downeym | BackRub Summer of Code? |
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| 19:58.36 | jpgadoury | Hello? |
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| 19:58.59 | jpgadoury | w00t! |
| 19:59.01 | ojwb | I think we need to bring back the old "your message may cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars" warning before allow a post to the mentor list |
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| 19:59.16 | ojwb | think of the loss of open source productivity! |
| 19:59.41 | jpgadoury | Setting up IRC sucks when you're behind a school firewall. |
| 19:59.49 | jpgadoury | But FINALLY |
| 19:59.57 | jpgadoury | Took me like 3 hours |
| 20:00.03 | schumaml | ojwb: make the list send out invoices (x cent per letter), at least on Friday? |
| 20:00.05 | gevaerts | Welcome! |
| 20:00.20 | jpgadoury | Hi guys! |
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| 20:00.35 | carols | hi jpgadoury :-) |
| 20:00.59 | jpgadoury | I'll be back later. All this excitement, I need to urinate. Which means I need to unplug my laptop and run to the bathroom, so it will be a bit. ;) |
| 20:01.13 | jpgadoury | btw xchat is sweet. |
| 20:01.16 | jpgadoury | peace! |
| 20:01.22 | scorche | jpgadoury: for future reference, many web IRC clients (not the java-based ones) will allow you to access IRC without those bothersome firewalls ;) |
| 20:01.30 | carols | jpgadoury: fyi: we don't really need to know about the bathroom in the future. |
| 20:01.34 | Borgirius | Hey there! |
| 20:01.47 | SRabbelier | carols: thanks :P |
| 20:01.50 | jpgadoury | What! |
| 20:01.53 | djharsk | irssi on a remote shell is lovely. |
| 20:02.09 | jpgadoury | I need a remote shell in order to do that. :P |
| 20:02.11 | SRabbelier | scorche: thanks for linking :P |
| 20:02.22 | carols | SRabbelier: yw |
| 20:02.22 | achillion | and there's always http://webchat.freenode.net/ |
| 20:02.23 | jpgadoury | And I did not think web-based clients would work. |
| 20:02.33 | jpgadoury | Gaaaaaaaah |
| 20:02.38 | jpgadoury | ok brb!! |
| 20:02.40 | djharsk | jpgadoury: they're dime a dozen, some of them are even free :P |
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| 20:03.42 | schumaml | the 'brb' for that reason is 'nc', btw |
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| 20:05.55 | kblin | scorche: there, I don't think that's too funny, but the off-the-tape-laughter always irritates me |
| 20:06.49 | gevaerts | kblin: did you see the rest of Fawlty Towers? |
| 20:07.04 | spectei | hey all |
| 20:07.08 | spectei | SRabbelier, there ? |
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| 20:07.17 | spectei | SRabbelier, is there a way to tell if our logo has been set properly ? |
| 20:07.17 | SRabbelier | spectei: sure |
| 20:07.23 | kblin | gevaerts: no, not so far |
| 20:07.27 | spectei | i just set it now |
| 20:07.31 | spectei | but it doesn't appear anywhere |
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| 20:08.06 | axenory | hi |
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| 20:08.32 | SRabbelier | spectei: that's correct |
| 20:08.36 | spectei | ok |
| 20:08.43 | SRabbelier | spectei: as long as it shows up in the box if you refresh the page it's fine |
| 20:09.10 | spectei | which box ? |
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| 20:09.10 | ArthurLiu | can I put http://192.168.0.1/factoryReset as logo url ? |
| 20:09.11 | gevaerts | kblin: right. I'd say you really need to know the Basil Fawlty character to enjoy some bits. This particular bit is one of those I'd say |
| 20:09.22 | scorche | tis a shame our logo is a banner sort instead of the square bit =/ |
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| 20:10.15 | kblin | SRabbelier: fancy, logo showcase, great stuff |
| 20:10.17 | spectei | http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium65.png |
| 20:10.19 | spectei | this is our logo |
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| 20:10.29 | spectei | the url works for me |
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| 20:10.43 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: I suppose you could, but I reckn it wouldn't do anything? |
| 20:10.45 | SRabbelier | spectei: LGTM |
| 20:10.52 | kblin | gevaerts: fair enough |
| 20:10.55 | axenory | I am reading in the GSoC web page students needs to submit a project proposal (as part of the application). I don't think I understand pretty well what a 'project proposal' is. Can someone tell me more about it? |
| 20:10.56 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: since it's not a POST and whatnot |
| 20:11.11 | spectei | SRabbelier, great |
| 20:11.23 | spectei | so i'm ok for the 'action required' |
| 20:11.24 | ArthurLiu | also, this breaks HTTPS access to the melange front page |
| 20:11.24 | spectei | :) |
| 20:11.28 | SRabbelier | !proposal |
| 20:11.29 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "proposal" is All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#student_app for details and examples |
| 20:11.40 | brianherman | ping |
| 20:11.54 | SRabbelier | spectei: yeah |
| 20:11.58 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: true |
| 20:11.58 | spectei | cool |
| 20:12.03 | axenory | Thank you |
| 20:12.08 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: but that's ok, since nothing is being submitted there anyway |
| 20:12.11 | spectei | thanks ! |
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| 20:13.34 | jpgadoury | :) |
| 20:13.46 | jpgadoury | Heeeeeelll yeaaaah |
| 20:13.53 | jpgadoury | Hey folks |
| 20:14.07 | kblin | hi |
| 20:14.19 | carols | jpgadoury: you'll need to stop with the language, please. |
| 20:14.20 | axenory | So, is this proposal like an idea a student comes up with for a particular organization and then he propose it to that organization? |
| 20:14.39 | SRabbelier | !porposal |
| 20:14.43 | SRabbelier | !proposal |
| 20:14.44 | jpgadoury | Sure thing. Just got a little excited. |
| 20:14.44 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "proposal" is All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#student_app for details and examples |
| 20:14.50 | SRabbelier | axenory: ^ |
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| 20:18.32 | axenory | Ok so, I just read an example about what proposals are. I just need some confirmation in this, thats all: |
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| 20:18.53 | axenory | sorry, let me put it all together give me a sec |
| 20:19.01 | ojwb | SRabbelier: what format(s) are acceptable for the logo? |
| 20:19.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb: whatever works inside an <img> tag :P |
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| 20:20.15 | ojwb | ooh, so no attempt to resize it - excellent for abuse! |
| 20:20.35 | axenory | Ok so, I just read an example about what proposals are. I just need some confirmation in this, thats all: 1. search that organization you want to be involved in. 2. Find something you want to improve in there. 3. Write a proposal of what that is you want to implement to make it better..? |
| 20:20.38 | ojwb | mostly I was wonder about svg, but it probably doesn't work in IE still |
| 20:21.02 | ojwb | axenory: pretty much |
| 20:21.05 | dhaun | axenory: that's the route if you want to propose your own idea |
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| 20:21.13 | AlexP | axenory: Insert discuss it with the org in there |
| 20:21.23 | ojwb | well, you can find something in their ideas list or suggest something yourself |
| 20:21.24 | dhaun | axenory: but the orgs also have handy ideas lists to pick from |
| 20:21.42 | axenory | oh, I see. |
| 20:22.28 | axenory | And these ideas are posted in their description of their org and what they do, right? |
| 20:22.48 | AlexP | They have a link to the ideas page |
| 20:22.52 | AlexP | Have a look at one :) |
| 20:22.55 | dhaun | yep, linked from the list of accepted orgs on google-melange.com |
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| 20:23.06 | axenory | sweet. Thanks |
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| 20:24.12 | SRabbelier | ojwb: we're using css' max-width/max-height feature |
| 20:24.12 | kblin | goes to look for a linkable samba logo with the correct size |
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| 20:25.27 | axenory | Well, thank you again and see you later. |
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| 20:26.34 | ojwb | SRabbelier: ah, good plan |
| 20:27.03 | ojwb | anyway, I've added a logo |
| 20:27.10 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yeah, Madhu's idea :) |
| 20:27.13 | kblin | SRabbelier: does that cut off or scale the logo? |
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| 20:30.27 | SRabbelier | kblin: dunno |
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| 20:31.29 | ojwb | came across a great term for when a huge image is resized much smaller - dumbnail |
| 20:32.00 | schumaml | why is it 65x65 px? isn't 64x64 more common size? |
| 20:32.02 | ojwb | resized by width/height in HTML or CSS that is |
| 20:32.02 | schumaml | +a |
| 20:32.03 | gevaerts | schumaml: yes, that's why :) |
| 20:32.07 | kblin | schumaml: just to give people another reason to complain on the mailing list ;) |
| 20:32.07 | ojwb | hmm, when it said "smaller than" I assumed <= not < |
| 20:32.07 | kblin | schumaml: also what ojwb said |
| 20:32.08 | gevaerts | ojwb: which project are you with again? ;) |
| 20:32.08 | ArthurLiu | can we use animated gif ? |
| 20:32.11 | ojwb | gevaerts: well, I spotted the potential bug quickly |
| 20:32.11 | schumaml | hm.... I should use the wilber that blinks its eyes occasionally |
| 20:32.11 | gevaerts | ojwb: before release, even! |
| 20:32.15 | nickbarnesccf | Is our logo image URL used in any way other than for the front page? E.g. for our org page? |
| 20:32.17 | ojwb | sincerely hopes there's a CSS attribute to prevent that |
| 20:32.17 | kblin | SRabbelier: no biggie, I'll scale one down a bit further |
| 20:32.20 | ojwb | SRabbelier: is it < 65x65 (i.e. 64 max) or <= 65x65 (i.e. 65 max)? |
| 20:32.20 | kblin | ojwb: is this important? |
| 20:32.20 | gevaerts | kblin: "no biggie" is indeed the rule :) |
| 20:32.20 | ojwb | well, I carefully made one at 65x65 |
| 20:32.20 | nickbarnesccf | justmanaged to figure out how to use CSS to scale our banner logo for the org page. CSS not my native tongue.... |
| 20:32.20 | SRabbelier | kai: it's scaled |
| 20:32.20 | SRabbelier | kai: e.g., http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/data/artwork/HAIKU%20logo%20-%20white%20on%20black%20-%20tiny.png is scaled down from 150 x 50 to 65x21 |
| 20:32.20 | ojwb | and it'll probably look nasty resized one pixel smaller |
| 20:32.20 | kblin | :p |
| 20:32.20 | nickbarnesccf | hint to others: <img style="width:100%;" src=... /> |
| 20:32.20 | ojwb | also, it would be good to clarify the text |
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| 20:32.30 | nickbarnesccf | "no larger than 64x64." ? |
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| 20:33.48 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: have you tried saving the page? |
| 20:33.53 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: I don't know if our c leaner allows you to do that |
| 20:33.59 | nickbarnesccf | yes, it does. |
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| 20:34.09 | nickbarnesccf | See: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/climatecode |
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| 20:34.58 | nickbarnesccf | (was pleasantly surprised that, having spent a while figuring it out, it also passed your cleaner) |
| 20:35.24 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: sure, just wanted to make sure :) |
| 20:36.16 | kblin | SRabbelier: I've just cut down the samba banner logo from http://samba.org/samba/style/2010/samba_2010_logo_transparent_151x27.png to just the S part, as I doubt it'll be readable otherwise |
| 20:36.23 | brlcad | neat, how long has the logo field been active? |
| 20:36.35 | SRabbelier | brlcad: just deployed it |
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| 20:37.16 | brlcad | is it supposed to show anywhere yet, or just a placeholder? |
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| 20:38.25 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: I would recommend adding "padding-bottom: 5px" as well |
| 20:38.25 | ojwb | brlcad: not used yet, see ML for details |
| 20:38.33 | SRabbelier | kblin: hehe, sure |
| 20:38.43 | nickbarnesccf | SRabbelier: noted. |
| 20:38.54 | kblin | just need to wait for someone to deploy my new logo to the web server |
| 20:40.09 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Sorry if you already answered this - svn acceptable? |
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| 20:40.30 | brlcad | heh, yay, server error |
| 20:40.39 | ojwb | |Kev|: svg? he said if it worked in an img tag it was ok |
| 20:40.51 | |Kev| | Ah, ok. That's probably a no then :) |
| 20:40.55 | nickbarnesccf | SRabbelier: padding-bottom doesn't make it through the cleaner. |
| 20:40.55 | ojwb | not sure if IE really has SVG support yet though |
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| 20:41.44 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: :( |
| 20:41.52 | SRabbelier | brlcad: where?! |
| 20:42.07 | schumaml | svg needs a <object>, <embed> or <iframe> element |
| 20:42.09 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: svn? |
| 20:42.21 | brlcad | apparently it was just temporary, came back after a minute |
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| 20:44.12 | SRabbelier | brlcad: that would be http://code.google.com/status/appengine/detail/serving/2011/03/30#ae-trust-detail-helloworld-get-latency probably |
| 20:46.56 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Sorry, as ojwb surmised, it was a typo of svg. |
| 20:47.12 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: it's whatever works inside a img tag |
| 20:47.23 | |Kev| | Yeah, thanks. I've created a png instead :) |
| 20:47.34 | |Kev| | We don't expect this to show up on the org profiles yet, right? |
| 20:47.54 | |Kev| | (Else I've broken it :)) |
| 20:48.09 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: it's not going to |
| 20:48.19 | |Kev| | Ok, I haven't (possibly!) broken it then :) |
| 20:48.20 | |Kev| | T. |
| 20:48.22 | |Kev| | *Ta. |
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| 20:48.44 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: with which I mean, the code to do that hasn't been written, and isn't being planned on being written atm, but that might change |
| 20:49.01 | laserbled | !next |
| 20:49.03 | socinfo | laserbled: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 20:50.14 | mmadia | carols, may i pm you? |
| 20:50.46 | carols | mmadia: of course |
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| 20:51.25 | nickbarnesccf | SRabbelier: can we have some sort of indication of whether the logo URL is working? Or will a broken URL break your front page? Surely not the latter? |
| 20:52.03 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: we're validating that it's an url, that's it |
| 20:52.12 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: we're trusting you guys to be capable enough to give us a link to a working logo |
| 20:52.51 | AlexP | what's a url? :P |
| 20:53.10 | |Kev| | A land-owner in the UK. |
| 20:53.23 | AlexP | ah, thanks |
| 20:53.31 | nickbarnesccf | ok. Will be interesting to see how well it works. we keep our logos (etc) in a googlecode project, and URLs into there don't work (the server doesn't hand them out with the right headers, or something) so I've used one from our blog site uploads directory. |
| 20:53.38 | gevaerts | |Kev|: isn't that an oil? |
| 20:53.52 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: try opening the url directly in your browser |
| 20:53.57 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: if that works, it should be fine :P |
| 20:54.07 | nickbarnesccf | that was exactly the test I conducted. |
| 20:54.14 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Very clever. |
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| 20:54.55 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: What's your relation to SoC, anyway? |
| 20:55.17 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Long lost brother. |
| 20:55.20 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: second cousin twice removed |
| 20:55.27 | AlexP | Stalker |
| 20:55.28 | |Kev| | ^5s kblin |
| 20:55.40 | SRabbelier | laughs |
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| 20:55.47 | nickbarnesccf | like this one: http://climatecode.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/2011-01-19/logo/CCF_64x64.png |
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| 20:55.53 | nickbarnesccf | doesn't work. |
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| 20:56.11 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: student in '06, otherwise mentor and/or admin. |
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| 20:56.38 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Goodo - you're making the channel a lot more britishey, hope to meet you at the summit |
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| 20:56.52 | AlexP | me too! |
| 20:57.02 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: heh, being offered as download |
| 20:57.04 | brlcad | SRabbelier: since you require a valid url, couldn't you use a wildcard select where url == 'h*' ? |
| 20:57.14 | nickbarnesccf | SRabbelier: exactly. |
| 20:57.15 | |Kev| | I've not attended in the past, I might try and persuade the various Powers That Be that I need to attend this year. |
| 20:57.19 | nickbarnesccf | summit? |
| 20:57.26 | |Kev| | I wonder if I can persuade work that there's merit in my doing it on work time :) |
| 20:57.32 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I don't understand your question |
| 20:57.34 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: If you're an admin aren't you the powers that be? |
| 20:57.39 | MatthewWilkes | Or are you married? |
| 20:57.43 | SRabbelier | nickbarnesccf: the mentor summit, best part of the year |
| 20:57.50 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: I am married, both to my wife and my day job :) |
| 20:57.50 | nickbarnesccf | when's that then? |
| 20:58.02 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Both of which I was refering to, rather than my org :) |
| 20:58.15 | nickbarnesccf | oh look, October. |
| 20:58.18 | brlcad | SRabbelier: in regards to the ml post, saying you're going to wait until 50% then randomly select because openbd doesn't support != -- you could get a select using == with a wildcard |
| 20:58.33 | nickbarnesccf | is that at the googleplex, or is it distributed? |
| 20:58.42 | AlexP | google |
| 20:58.55 | nickbarnesccf | yes, but google is distributed. |
| 20:59.10 | |Kev| | nickbarnesccf: I think there was talk of it maybe being elsewhere this year. |
| 20:59.10 | ojwb | it's at mountain view |
| 20:59.12 | MatthewWilkes | 1.5 day unconference, plus drinking and eating at the hotel while chatting - great times |
| 20:59.20 | SRabbelier | brlcad: AppEngine doesn't support wildcards |
| 20:59.31 | ojwb | |Kev|: interesting, though there's been talk of that before... |
| 20:59.36 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: only jokingly |
| 20:59.42 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Ok :) |
| 20:59.50 | brlcad | SRabbelier: er, you sure about that? I thought the restriction was that the first character can't be a wildcard |
| 21:00.03 | ojwb | lh's conclusion was that it was just too hard to do it anywhere else |
| 21:00.11 | nickbarnesccf | I am pretty unlikely to be able to get to CA in October. A shame, though. One of our umbrella'ed mentors is in CA, maybe he can go. |
| 21:00.17 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: are you *sure* it was jokingly? :) |
| 21:00.28 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Yeah, but US immigration is getting nastier and nastier |
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| 21:00.36 | brlcad | SRabbelier: admit I may be wrong, but I swear I read that way back when |
| 21:00.37 | MatthewWilkes | incidentally, do they have ball-gropers at all airports yet? |
| 21:00.49 | SRabbelier | brlcad: "Unfortunately, Google app engine can't do partial text matches" |
| 21:01.00 | SRabbelier | brlcad: note that you said "openbd" |
| 21:01.03 | SRabbelier | brlcad: we're not using openbd |
| 21:01.10 | ojwb | it was fine for the 2009 summit (didn't go last year) |
| 21:01.14 | ojwb | i had a hard time in 2008 |
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| 21:02.19 | nickbarnesccf | maybe they should have several simultaneous ones, in CA, in CH, etc. To match the global nature of Google and GSoC. But I imagine plans for this year are very well-advanced already. |
| 21:02.35 | MatthewWilkes | nickbarnesccf: No way, the good thing is you meet all the other projects |
| 21:02.44 | MatthewWilkes | Also, where's CH? |
| 21:02.46 | MatthewWilkes | oh |
| 21:02.47 | MatthewWilkes | duh |
| 21:02.50 | MatthewWilkes | sorry, helvetica |
| 21:02.53 | |Kev| | nickbarnesccf: I think a large part of the point in a meetup is that people meet :) |
| 21:03.25 | nickbarnesccf | yes, yes. But CCF can't in all conscience fly anyone long-haul for a knees-up. It's Just Wrong. |
| 21:03.34 | brlcad | SRabbelier: hm, alright -- thanks for the info and sorry for the distraction then! |
| 21:03.42 | SRabbelier | brlcad: np |
| 21:03.54 | MatthewWilkes | nickbarnesccf: You don't go to conferences? And there's nobody nearby? |
| 21:04.12 | inayath | Hi guys! |
| 21:04.26 | ojwb | nickbarnesccf: it's a lot more than a knees up |
| 21:04.32 | ojwb | though lower leg elevation is involved |
| 21:04.36 | nickbarnesccf | we try to avoid all long-haul travel. |
| 21:04.54 | nickbarnesccf | because of the carbon footprint. |
| 21:05.19 | nickbarnesccf | virtual presence is steadily improving, though. |
| 21:05.27 | dberkholz | virtual beers, not so much |
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| 21:05.38 | |Kev| | I don't drink :( |
| 21:05.42 | nickbarnesccf | I can drink beer just fine on this continent. |
| 21:05.50 | MatthewWilkes | Well, the only thing keeping me a as mentor is the mentor summit |
| 21:05.55 | MatthewWilkes | I'd switch to being a student otherwise |
| 21:06.09 | gevaerts | dberkholz: virtual chocolate is becoming quite popular here though |
| 21:06.13 | MatthewWilkes | Which means you can infer that I value the summit at more than 5k US |
| 21:06.38 | dberkholz | the summit + whatever your alternative choice is for a summer's free time |
| 21:07.05 | |Kev| | Free time? I'm rushed off my feet and mentoring's not even started yet :p |
| 21:07.07 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: yeah, well, I'd still be hacking on Plone |
| 21:07.24 | nickbarnesccf | what's "free time"? |
| 21:07.40 | dberkholz | it's what you fill up with more interesting things |
| 21:07.48 | nickbarnesccf | reminds me, I have a paper to write. See you all tomorrow. |
| 21:07.51 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: That's glasses |
| 21:08.15 | dberkholz | that sounds like a great question for a really hard analogy test |
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| 21:10.57 | brlcad | hm, wonder if gql supports non-empty detection, something like select where url > "" |
| 21:11.30 | brlcad | heck, even alphanumeric > 'h' |
| 21:12.23 | ojwb | or add a "has_logo" flag? |
| 21:12.39 | ojwb | or something that can be filtered on |
| 21:13.23 | brlcad | yeah, that'd do it |
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| 21:14.43 | dberkholz | made a nifty new logo for the purpose â http://bit.ly/hDwaCt |
| 21:15.22 | SRabbelier | ojwb: we considered that |
| 21:15.23 | gevaerts | dberkholz: but that's not smaller than 65x65! |
| 21:15.40 | dberkholz | indeed, i'm hoping it is â¤. |
| 21:15.45 | SRabbelier | ojwb: but it seemed easier to just go with this :) |
| 21:15.52 | dberkholz | it's exactly 65x65 |
| 21:16.34 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: that depends to some extent on whether it takes 2 weeks for 88 orgs to link to a logo. |
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| 21:16.47 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I'd imagine you'll get plenty set within a few hours |
| 21:17.04 | SRabbelier | ojwb: exactly |
| 21:17.04 | gevaerts | And if you don't, it's not your problem |
| 21:17.06 | dberkholz | although i suppose you'll quickly see how many of us actually care about the whole rotating thing. |
| 21:17.06 | ojwb | it's a bit irrelevant after 8th |
| 21:17.45 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yeah |
| 21:17.55 | SRabbelier | ojwb: 8th? |
| 21:18.00 | dberkholz | student deadline |
| 21:18.47 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: btw, is precisely 65x65 ok, despite the words asking for "smaller than 65x65"? |
| 21:18.52 | SRabbelier | currently on 37 |
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| 21:19.17 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Sounds good enough ;) |
| 21:19.28 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we use "max-width: 65; max-height: 65;" you tell me |
| 21:19.35 | dberkholz | oh, good. |
| 21:19.37 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah, yeah |
| 21:19.46 | dberkholz | i was just getting ready to run a search on the source code |
| 21:20.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: templates/v2/modules/gsoc/homepage/_apply.html |
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| 21:21.18 | alison-b | SRabbelier: Is there a reason the profile I created through Melange yesterday would be inaccessible today ? thx |
| 21:21.33 | SRabbelier | alinrus: what does the logged-in message say? |
| 21:21.37 | SRabbelier | alison-b: ^ |
| 21:21.40 | SRabbelier | damn this irc lcient |
| 21:21.55 | alinrus | :) |
| 21:22.05 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: is there a way to mark spam proposals? |
| 21:22.16 | alison-b | SRabbelier: "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." |
| 21:22.16 | dberkholz | 1 star, baby. |
| 21:22.17 | Ivanovic | boucman just pointed out that we seem to have one of those at wesnoth |
| 21:22.28 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: not atm, can you create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for that? |
| 21:22.38 | SRabbelier | alison-b: what url? you sure you're on the right year? |
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| 21:23.19 | alison-b | SRabbelier: right you are! I was on 2010. Well, thanks for pointing out the obvious :op |
| 21:23.29 | SRabbelier | alison-b: np |
| 21:23.53 | SRabbelier | ojwb: heh, filter('logo_url >', 'a') is actually working |
| 21:24.13 | brlcad | hah |
| 21:24.22 | ojwb | SRabbelier: wasn't my idea, but cool |
| 21:24.37 | SRabbelier | brlcad: clever hack, I'll implement it and use that |
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| 21:25.02 | ojwb | SRabbelier: btw, is there a public melange test site? |
| 21:25.23 | ojwb | being able to check how things work as a student would be handy sometimes |
| 21:25.31 | ojwb | or indeed as a mentor |
| 21:25.37 | SRabbelier | ojwb: I can deploy to melange-dev |
| 21:25.39 | brlcad | SRabbelier: I wouldn't call it clever, but glad it works |
| 21:26.24 | SRabbelier | I suppose >= would be even better |
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| 21:27.25 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: okay, asked boucman to create a report about this |
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| 21:27.34 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: sure |
| 21:27.38 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.53 | ojwb | realistically, it's going to start http... |
| 21:27.54 | SRabbelier | brlcad: *tries* |
| 21:27.57 | ojwb | or perhaps ftp |
| 21:28.09 | SRabbelier | brlcad: works |
| 21:28.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:30.13 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1166 |
| 21:30.19 | SRabbelier | brlcad: how do you want to be credited in the commit message? |
| 21:30.20 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: thanks |
| 21:31.21 | brlcad | SRabbelier: doesn't matter, Sean from BRL-CAD? |
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| 21:32.28 | SRabbelier | brlcad: Smile, you're on code.google.com/p/soc :P |
| 21:32.29 | SRabbelier | brlcad: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=e92b25f7ed10e53cf2d8863e8ca3e3c99c6d0b6b |
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| 21:35.19 | brianherman | heh |
| 21:35.40 | brianherman | is there a gsoc project for the gsoc website? |
| 21:35.49 | SRabbelier | brianherman: certianly |
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| 21:35.55 | brlcad | brianherman: melange |
| 21:36.17 | brianherman | oh your the sponsor |
| 21:36.21 | brianherman | who is the mentor |
| 21:36.28 | SRabbelier | brianherman: we're even featured on the homepage |
| 21:36.33 | SRabbelier | (not for long) |
| 21:36.37 | SRabbelier | brianherman: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/melange |
| 21:36.52 | brianherman | oih |
| 21:36.53 | brianherman | cool |
| 21:37.00 | brianherman | <3 django |
| 21:37.15 | SRabbelier | brianherman: :) |
| 21:37.23 | brianherman | <3 python too |
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| 21:37.49 | brlcad | waits for the first org to make a blinking animated gif logo |
| 21:38.10 | brianherman | just use the blink tag |
| 21:38.15 | rbuels | dang, that's a good idea ... |
| 21:38.25 | rbuels | fires up gimp |
| 21:38.41 | brlcad | my evil for the day is now complete |
| 21:39.17 | brianherman | it is be possible? |
| 21:39.53 | brianherman | your melange website has a typo |
| 21:40.01 | SRabbelier | brlcad: you didn't.... |
| 21:40.02 | brianherman | , it is be possible to host |
| 21:40.19 | SRabbelier | brianherman: where's the typo? |
| 21:40.25 | SRabbelier | brianherman: and what do you mean "is it possible to host"? |
| 21:40.34 | brianherman | Srabbelier: http://code.google.com/p/soc/ |
| 21:40.41 | brianherman | its on the first paragraph |
| 21:40.50 | brianherman | it is be possible to host the google summer of code programs |
| 21:40.55 | brianherman | shouldnt it be |
| 21:40.57 | brianherman | it is possible |
| 21:40.58 | SRabbelier | aaah |
| 21:40.59 | SRabbelier | I see |
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| 21:43.29 | SRabbelier | brlcad: hmph |
| 21:43.48 | SRabbelier | brlcad: not working for some reason |
| 21:43.58 | brlcad | hrm, really? |
| 21:44.11 | brlcad | space get encoded badly? |
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| 21:44.35 | brlcad | try '0' |
| 21:44.40 | brlcad | skips puncutation |
| 21:45.42 | brlcad | or maybe the > getting urlencodified as %62 or something |
| 21:45.46 | SRabbelier | brlcad: it works on the console |
| 21:46.18 | SRabbelier | brlcad: but when I try it on the site it doesn't |
| 21:49.24 | SRabbelier | aaaaah |
| 21:49.25 | brlcad | something getQueryForFields() is mungning with the filter? |
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| 21:49.27 | SRabbelier | wtb index :) |
| 21:50.39 | SRabbelier | brlcad: when testing locally i was using a simplistic query |
| 21:50.53 | SRabbelier | brlcad: when I tested on the site it was adding the scope = gsoc2011 and status=active requirement |
| 21:51.50 | brlcad | ahhh |
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| 21:52.09 | brianherman | do you guys have example proposals? |
| 21:52.33 | SRabbelier | deploys the new index |
| 21:52.44 | ojwb | brianherman: booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ has 2 |
| 21:53.07 | ojwb | and you can find more by searching the web |
| 21:53.09 | brianherman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.36 | dayoung | ojwb never sleeps |
| 21:54.48 | dayoung | =) |
| 21:54.54 | brlcad | there's plenty of time to sleep when you're dead |
| 21:54.59 | dayoung | exactly! |
| 21:55.13 | brianherman | wait |
| 21:55.18 | brianherman | should i make a pdf? |
| 21:55.21 | dayoung | first requirement for gsoc applicants, you may not sleep |
| 21:55.29 | brianherman | O_o |
| 21:55.34 | SRabbelier | brlcad: whoah, fast index building action by AppEngine there |
| 21:55.40 | ojwb | pah, i slept for 8 hours last night |
| 21:55.54 | SRabbelier | noooos, lies "NeedIndexError: The index for this query is not ready to serve. See the Datastore Indexes page in the Admin Console." |
| 21:56.01 | dayoung | ojwb's equivalent of sleep walking is answer irc questions in his sleep |
| 21:56.05 | SRabbelier | said status page claims it's serving! |
| 21:56.11 | brlcad | the database can't be that big yet, is it? :) |
| 21:56.20 | SRabbelier | brlcad: not with orgs, not really no |
| 21:56.27 | ojwb | so long as it's questions like "what's the last letter of the latin alphabet?" |
| 21:56.28 | SRabbelier | hmmm |
| 21:57.12 | brlcad | so do melange and apache have to redo their logo since they exceed the prescribed 65x65 ? :) |
| 21:57.13 | dayoung | sooo, a 15 page single spaced application isn't the norm? |
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| 21:57.33 | SRabbelier | still, no go |
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| 21:57.44 | SRabbelier | brlcad: they'll get scaled down |
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| 21:58.22 | ojwb | dayoung: the vast majority are well under that |
| 21:58.33 | SRabbelier | ah, the joys of caching |
| 21:58.46 | SRabbelier | why doesn't this just work :( |
| 21:58.58 | dayoung | not mine =( |
| 21:59.01 | ojwb | SRabbelier: did you try turning it off and on again? |
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| 21:59.17 | SRabbelier | ojwb: excellent idea |
| 21:59.20 | SRabbelier | takes down socghop |
| 21:59.52 | ojwb | ooh, I heard the scream from here |
| 22:00.04 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 22:00.14 | MatthewWilkes | Right, million dollar idea. Grippy plates |
| 22:00.14 | SRabbelier | maybe for april fools |
| 22:00.31 | MatthewWilkes | I just lost the only food in my house, a frozen pizza, to the carpet |
| 22:00.48 | DarkUranium | tsk tsk tsk |
| 22:00.57 | dberkholz | time to order in |
| 22:01.10 | MatthewWilkes | I wouldn't be able to eat ordered in pizza, this one was tiny |
| 22:01.19 | bobbens | scrub it off |
| 22:01.22 | downeym | How clean is the carpet? o.O |
| 22:01.28 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: get more pizza! It's on the house! |
| 22:01.29 | dberkholz | save the leftovers and fry it later |
| 22:01.30 | MatthewWilkes | My appetite is gone recently, in the last month I lost 2.5st (20ish kg) |
| 22:01.42 | MatthewWilkes | the cheese all came off into a lump with carpet fibres on it |
| 22:02.09 | dayoung | so you're saying the crust is still good, problem solved |
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| 22:03.07 | SRabbelier | lol |
| 22:04.13 | MatthewWilkes | cheap cornflakes and skimmed milk |
| 22:04.14 | MatthewWilkes | win |
| 22:04.16 | MatthewWilkes | for some value of win |
| 22:04.18 | brianherman | nice job matthew |
| 22:04.43 | brianherman | YOU LOST 44 pounds? |
| 22:04.49 | brianherman | HOLY $%^# |
| 22:04.57 | gevaerts | Where did you see them last? |
| 22:07.35 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: well, it'll be cooked at least... |
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| 22:08.23 | bobbens | MatthewWilkes: carpet fibers are a good source of daily fiber and protein |
| 22:08.26 | ojwb | 2.5st would be 35lbs |
| 22:08.32 | carols | !logs |
| 22:08.33 | socinfo | carols: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 22:09.58 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: another chuckle from me |
| 22:10.51 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: glad to have been of service :) |
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| 22:13.09 | SRabbelier | GAAAAAH |
| 22:13.12 | SRabbelier | stabs self in the face |
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| 22:13.31 | SRabbelier | that was silly |
| 22:14.05 | SRabbelier | brlcad: the bug was that I was filtering on 'logo' instead of 'logo_url' |
| 22:14.08 | SRabbelier | <_< |
| 22:16.00 | brianherman | <_/\ |
| 22:16.19 | SRabbelier | brianherman: what's that, a sideways wink? :D |
| 22:16.24 | brianherman | yea |
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| 22:19.20 | braun | hello? |
| 22:20.43 | SRabbelier | (don't tell braun we're here if he comes back! everybody be very quiet!) |
| 22:20.53 | beng-nl | tippy toes |
| 22:21.08 | brlcad | ah, heh nifty |
| 22:21.10 | SRabbelier | and if anyone asks, I never saw any rabbits |
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| 22:21.29 | brianherman | brawn? |
| 22:21.31 | brianherman | brawny |
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| 22:23.20 | elmerFudd1 | bee veeerry verrry quiet |
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| 22:23.39 | SRabbelier | laughs |
| 22:23.44 | SRabbelier | thank you, whoever did that |
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| 22:23.54 | brianherman | it was me |
| 22:24.00 | gevaerts | Someone with username BrianHerm :) |
| 22:24.11 | brianherman | waht |
| 22:24.13 | SRabbelier | hehe, :D |
| 22:24.15 | brianherman | darn |
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| 22:33.48 | SRabbelier | BEHOLD |
| 22:33.49 | SRabbelier | http://2-0-20110330-ninja.socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 |
| 22:34.14 | SRabbelier | brlcad: http://awesomescreenshot.com/086ahtvff |
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| 22:34.20 | SRabbelier | brlcad: you guys were up there! |
| 22:34.38 | brlcad | awesome |
| 22:34.57 | brlcad | haha, and covered by 1800mattresses on the closeup |
| 22:35.01 | ojwb | not very random though |
| 22:35.23 | SRabbelier | ojwb: it rotates every 30m |
| 22:35.27 | ojwb | ah |
| 22:35.49 | SRabbelier | ojwb: that way we rotate through all orgs every 17h |
| 22:36.00 | SRabbelier | ojwb: so the window during which your org is on the homepage is different everyday |
| 22:36.04 | SRabbelier | now, can't say we didn't think about this ;) |
| 22:36.51 | brlcad | too expensive to rotate more frequently? |
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| 22:36.55 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: can we get a schedule so we can all make a screenshot when our org is there? :) |
| 22:36.57 | carols | thank you SRabbelier for anticipating the complaints before they come. |
| 22:37.10 | carols | because you know they're coming. |
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| 22:39.31 | brlcad | carols: I think the only thing you can safely anticipate across 3000 culterally and technologically diverse people is the propensity to encounter a complaint you didn't consider ;) |
| 22:39.45 | SRabbelier | carols: we try ^__^ |
| 22:39.47 | carols | brlcad: fair point :-) |
| 22:40.21 | SRabbelier | brlcad: we could rotate every 10 minutes, it's cheap, but decided to favor a decent exposure time over frequency |
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| 22:41.47 | SRabbelier | brlcad: (it's cheap after you came up with that hack!) |
| 22:41.48 | brlcad | SRabbelier: personally, I think it's akin to vanity -- people don't care to track exactly how long they are up, they just want to see themselves listed |
| 22:42.12 | brlcad | so the faster it rotates, the faster the masses would be appeased |
| 22:42.20 | brlcad | then everyone will move on |
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| 22:42.55 | SRabbelier | brlcad: it's easy to adjust if desired |
| 22:43.22 | ojwb | the idea of making the wrap not align with the day is neat |
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| 22:44.24 | brlcad | SRabbelier: thanks for the kudos |
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| 22:47.12 | gevaerts | brlcad: actually, maing it align with the day would have required awkward numbers like 41 minutes and 8.57 seconds :) |
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| 22:47.38 | SRabbelier | brlcad: you deserved them :) |
| 22:48.01 | SRabbelier | ojwb: thanks |
| 22:48.18 | SRabbelier | it's live |
| 22:48.55 | gevaerts | Yay! |
| 22:49.03 | gevaerts | goes into http://xkcd.com/281/ mode |
| 22:49.25 | ojwb | watches melange collapse under the load |
| 22:49.39 | ojwb | ah, loaded second go |
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| 23:16.26 | *** topic/#gsoc is Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Students can now apply! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 23:17.45 | carols | scorche: we also write all the replies we want to send and then delete them. |
| 23:18.09 | carols | or at least that's what i do. |
| 23:18.14 | carols | maybe SRabbelier does something else. |
| 23:18.37 | scorche | carols: careful - i have seen many people accidently hit "send" doing that ;) |
| 23:18.46 | scorche | (whoich would likely be much more fun anyway) |
| 23:18.47 | SRabbelier | scorche: I have |
| 23:18.47 | gevaerts | does that too |
| 23:18.51 | SRabbelier | scorche: undo send. life saver |
| 23:18.53 | carols | scorche: you know, i can't say i'd be too broken up about it if it happened :-P |
| 23:19.01 | gevaerts | :wq ctrl-X isn't *that* easy to do by accident :) |
| 23:19.20 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: what's the ctrl-X do? |
| 23:19.30 | gevaerts | send :) |
| 23:19.33 | gevaerts | in mutt |
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| 23:19.48 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ah |
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| 23:20.13 | SRabbelier | carols: perhaps we should send these replies to one another |
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| 23:20.23 | SRabbelier | for added amusement |
| 23:20.24 | carols | SRabbelier: excellent idea. |
| 23:20.39 | Pizik | Hi again, how are GSOC projects assigned to people? Do the people pick the projects they want or are they given? |
| 23:20.44 | scorche | SRabbelier: i should probably just look at the change log, but does it rotate logos in alphabetical orgder every X minutes then? |
| 23:21.05 | SRabbelier | scorche: see mailing list |
| 23:21.09 | SRabbelier | scorche: ordered by key_name |
| 23:21.14 | SRabbelier | scorche: every 30m |
| 23:21.22 | scorche | SRabbelier: ah - ok |
| 23:21.31 | scorche | hadnt gotten to his mail yet |
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| 23:22.59 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Got a sec for a pm? |
| 23:23.00 | ojwb | is there expected to be a delay in the score updating in the dashboard view? |
| 23:23.05 | carols | MatthewWilkes: sure |
| 23:23.32 | SRabbelier | ojwb: no |
| 23:24.38 | SRabbelier | ojwb: looks like something is wrong |
| 23:24.53 | SRabbelier | ojwb: or maybe not |
| 23:25.09 | marcg | good diagnosis ;P |
| 23:25.18 | SRabbelier | lol |
| 23:25.36 | SRabbelier | yup |
| 23:25.38 | SRabbelier | something is foobard |
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| 23:32.23 | SITZ | can any one tell me what is the difference between "Proposals" and "My Requests" Section in Application Dashboard page ? |
| 23:32.47 | ojwb | requests is things like "can i mentor for you" |
| 23:33.04 | SITZ | oh.. Even that is possible.. wow :) |
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| 23:34.22 | marcg | is that the only type of request possible? |
| 23:36.29 | SRabbelier | SITZ: that shouldn't show up for students, my bad |
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| 23:38.15 | SITZ | SRabbelier: doesn't bothers anyways... :) Just asked out of curiosity ! |
| 23:39.13 | marcg | SRabbelier, I don't want to be a nag, but any news on the email-if-comment feature? |
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| 23:39.37 | SRabbelier | marcg: you're a nag |
| 23:39.40 | marcg | (I want to know when I should stop spamming f5 on my proposal :P) |
| 23:39.40 | SRabbelier | :) |
| 23:39.49 | marcg | :\ |
| 23:39.59 | SRabbelier | marcg: Other features, such as the all-important "logos on homepage should rotate" were more important :P |
| 23:40.09 | marcg | haha, alright, no worries |
| 23:40.09 | LetterRip | hi - a feature request - "Note that only mentors that have clicked the "I wish to mentor this project" button can be selected." - for assigning mentors we'd much prefer that each dev need not click on the 'i wish to mentor this project' |
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| 23:40.21 | marcg | nag: A small horse; a pony; |
| 23:40.25 | marcg | i'll take it as a compliment |
| 23:40.26 | SRabbelier | marcg: it's next on my TODO though |
| 23:40.34 | SRabbelier | lol |
| 23:40.38 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: you want the full list always? |
| 23:40.43 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: it'd get rather large for big orgs? |
| 23:40.44 | LetterRip | yes |
| 23:41.41 | LetterRip | well you can perhaps have a 'click for full list' checkbox |
| 23:41.41 | LetterRip | ? |
| 23:41.41 | LetterRip | how big are large orgs? 20? 100? |
| 23:41.57 | LetterRip | in terms of number of mentors |
| 23:42.19 | ojwb | could easily be 100 |
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| 23:44.55 | LetterRip | for blender workflow - most of our mentors are capable of mentoring any of hte proposals |
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| 23:45.28 | LetterRip | we only use the 'voluteer' for those that have a strong prefernece for that particular project |
| 23:46.32 | SRabbelier | hmmmm |
| 23:46.42 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: maybe a checkbox 'show all mentors'? |
| 23:47.02 | SRabbelier | (the problem is that fetching all those entities in one go is expensive) |
| 23:47.03 | LetterRip | yes please |
| 23:47.03 | LetterRip | that would work great |
| 23:47.19 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: can you create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for that? |
| 23:47.36 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: can do |
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