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| 00:24.48 | abaruchi | hi guys... I would like to know if someone can send me an example of an student application.. |
| 00:25.18 | merwok | There are a lot of them on the Web |
| 00:25.28 | merwok | You could use a search engine <wink> |
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| 00:57.07 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 01:02.05 | LetterRip | carols - would it be possible to use the gsoc logo with the black and the white inverted? |
| 01:02.14 | LetterRip | is there someone i could request that to? |
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| 01:07.04 | ojwb | LetterRip: carols doesn't appear to be here... |
| 01:07.12 | LetterRip | i noticed :) thanks |
| 01:08.41 | dukeleto | abaruchi: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/GSoCStudentApplicationTemplate |
| 01:09.31 | ojwb | hi dukeleto |
| 01:10.03 | dukeleto | ojwb: howdy |
| 01:10.24 | dukeleto | ojwb: how goes it? |
| 01:10.32 | ojwb | pretty good |
| 01:11.02 | ojwb | xapian's taking part for the first time this year, and we've had a great response so far |
| 01:11.24 | dukeleto | ojwb: awesome! this is parrot's first year being it's own org (previously it was part of the perl foundation) |
| 01:11.39 | ojwb | you're admin for perl and parrot this year? |
| 01:12.07 | merwok | Oh, Parrot :°) |
| 01:12.20 | dukeleto | ojwb: i am the admin for parrot, i did the perl application this year, but I handed over to someone else. I am mostly "mentoring" the org admin of the perl foundation this year :) |
| 01:13.21 | dukeleto | ojwb: we are getting buried in gsoc student questions already |
| 01:13.40 | dukeleto | the students seem to be preparing earlier this year than previous years |
| 01:13.46 | ojwb | was wondering that |
| 01:14.00 | ojwb | or if xapian was just more accessible than swig |
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| 01:19.00 | LetterRip | random off topic question - anyone know of a tool that does statistics on the most called/used functions and variables in your program? |
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| 01:19.32 | merwok | For Python, there are tracing tools like pycallgraph. |
| 01:19.48 | ojwb | most profilers can do that |
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| 01:20.07 | merwok | Giving the programming language would help quite a lot :) |
| 01:20.43 | LetterRip | hmm profiles do it based on calling frequency |
| 01:20.47 | LetterRip | profilers |
| 01:20.55 | LetterRip | so a loop of 1000 times |
| 01:21.03 | LetterRip | will give a function you use once a higher profile rating |
| 01:21.16 | LetterRip | i'm talking about from a dev perspective |
| 01:21.16 | ojwb | well, it is being used more! |
| 01:21.23 | ojwb | sounds like you want static analysis? |
| 01:21.28 | LetterRip | no |
| 01:21.44 | LetterRip | what i want is to find out what variables are worth a bit more comments on our wiki |
| 01:21.55 | LetterRip | and what functions are frequently encountered |
| 01:22.30 | ojwb | but based on use in the code, not how many places they're used from in running the program? |
| 01:23.19 | LetterRip | well based on how frequently a developer types them or reads them |
| 01:23.28 | ojwb | well, that's a static analysis, isn't it? |
| 01:23.29 | LetterRip | not calling frequency based on loops |
| 01:23.55 | LetterRip | well static analysis is bug discovery isn't it? |
| 01:24.00 | LetterRip | i suppose |
| 01:24.06 | LetterRip | it might be used for that also |
| 01:26.04 | ojwb | i think static analysis would be "stuff which doesn't involve running the code", but certainly it's commonly used to identify bugs |
| 01:26.41 | brlcad | LetterRip: how about this: http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/GSoC128x128_inverted.jpg |
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| 01:26.54 | ojwb | someting like exuberant ctags would probably work, for C at least |
| 01:27.02 | ojwb | brlcad: it's "no derivatives" though |
| 01:27.19 | ojwb | so it's a licensing question, not a graphical manipulation one |
| 01:27.29 | brlcad | sure |
| 01:27.38 | brlcad | more wonder if that's what he meant |
| 01:27.43 | LetterRip | brlcad - yes it is easy to do, but unfortunately need permission even for something so simple |
| 01:27.47 | brlcad | personally, I think flipped sucks :) |
| 01:28.06 | ojwb | I assume the logo this year is a tron reference |
| 01:28.07 | LetterRip | hmm when i did it in gimp, not near as much blue |
| 01:28.22 | merwok | In my opinion, âno derivatives allowedâ is clear enough |
| 01:28.26 | LetterRip | i inverted everything, then inverted the red back to blue |
| 01:28.27 | brlcad | probably just different thresholding |
| 01:28.38 | brlcad | or diff starting image |
| 01:28.54 | LetterRip | merwok - it is clear that you can't do a derivative, which is why i'm requesting they make a copy of it inverted |
| 01:29.05 | LetterRip | ie 'who would i have to talk to' ;) |
| 01:29.37 | merwok | Well, it looks like they donât want people to make derivatives, so Iâm not sure how asking would change anything :) |
| 01:30.05 | LetterRip | merwok - them releasing an inverted version is differnet from someone creating a derivative |
| 01:31.35 | LetterRip | in the graphics industry it is pretty common to at least have an invert of the logo |
| 01:31.53 | LetterRip | printing large blocks of black is rather forbotten |
| 01:32.09 | LetterRip | or whatever that german word is spelled with proper oomlauts |
| 01:32.24 | merwok | verboten. |
| 01:32.28 | merwok | No umlauts. |
| 01:32.36 | LetterRip | ah right, brain fart :) |
| 01:32.40 | brlcad | which is an interesting limitation in itself, iirc, gnu considers use through composition as a derivation so technically org-specific posters and websites that slap the logo together with other imagery could be consider a derivative in violation |
| 01:33.08 | LetterRip | brlcad their language provides for that usage |
| 01:33.16 | LetterRip | in the explanation |
| 01:33.44 | LetterRip | also what gnu thinks isn't what the law says necessarily :) |
| 01:34.09 | merwok | Depends if brlcad meant âFSFâ or âGNU GPLâ :) |
| 01:34.10 | brlcad | LetterRip: they only say you can put it on sites and flyers, scale it .. nothing about composition |
| 01:34.23 | merwok | âput it on flyersâ sounds like composition |
| 01:34.34 | LetterRip | putting it on a flyer is composition |
| 01:34.46 | brlcad | I can put it on a flyer without anything "touching the bounds of the logo" |
| 01:35.01 | brlcad | so the integrity is still there |
| 01:35.40 | brlcad | exactly how we used it on our flyer, but I could see other useful uses (and vaguely recall some for past GSoC) that weren't so clean pastings |
| 01:36.21 | brlcad | for example: http://brlcad.org/gsoc/GSoC2011_logo_256x178.png |
| 01:37.05 | brlcad | that's our main link to http://brlcad.org/wiki/Image:BRL-CAD_GSoC2011_flyer.png |
| 01:37.25 | LetterRip | hmm that would likely be problematic |
| 01:37.27 | brlcad | reckons he needs to e-mail carol |
| 01:37.44 | merwok | Weâre not lawyers anyway, so whatever we say does not matter. |
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| 01:38.25 | LetterRip | what a lawyer says doesn't neccessarily matter either :) |
| 01:39.27 | merwok | I seem to recall that in the US, when youâre a lawyer and you say something as a lawyer, it has special value. |
| 01:39.37 | merwok | But the only real test is a court. |
| 01:39.57 | LetterRip | legal advice (which is a lawyer speaking in certain context) can have value |
| 01:40.11 | ojwb | or at least lawyers like to think so |
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| 01:43.41 | brlcad | e-mail sent, see what she says |
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| 01:51.35 | LetterRip | ttyl all |
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| 04:30.58 | lasya | hello people |
| 04:31.18 | lasya | i heard the least slots for a organization is 3 unless they lack mentors |
| 04:31.22 | lasya | is it true? |
| 04:31.26 | merwok | No. |
| 04:31.53 | lasya | then what is the least number of slots? |
| 04:32.09 | merwok | I believe itâs one. |
| 04:32.16 | merwok | !slots |
| 04:32.16 | socinfo | merwok: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 04:32.24 | merwok | Follow that link |
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| 04:44.41 | lasya | hey sorry .. there was problem in my internet connection |
| 04:44.47 | lasya | someone please answer |
| 04:45.03 | lasya | whats the least number of slots per organization |
| 04:45.23 | merwok | Follow that link |
| 04:45.25 | merwok | !slots |
| 04:45.25 | socinfo | merwok: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
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| 05:17.25 | karthikbashetty | hello i am looking for a mentor from gnome org |
| 05:18.06 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 05:18.06 | socinfo | ojwb: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 05:18.13 | ojwb | karthikbashetty: ^^ |
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| 05:20.35 | karthikbashetty | ojwb:thank u |
| 05:25.17 | svaksha | karthikbashetty: irc.gnome.org is the server you need to join |
| 05:25.43 | svaksha | then do a '/list' and join channel of choice |
| 05:25.55 | karthikbashetty | thank u |
| 05:26.13 | redheadphones | careful, the power of '/list' |
| 05:26.22 | svaksha | heh |
| 05:27.22 | kstar | Indians -- please join ##gsoc-india as well |
| 05:29.41 | svaksha | kstar: that channel needs to have some rules... " < cycL0> ny gal in here btw ?" isnt the best way to increase diversity. |
| 05:30.05 | svaksha | since you are one of the ops, i hope you will take care of such things |
| 05:30.05 | kstar | svaksha: I see. Yes, I agree with you. |
| 05:30.26 | kstar | svaksha: Please do alert me of such things. |
| 05:30.38 | kstar | And I'll duly refer them to ##hackers-india for all NSFW stuff. |
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| 05:31.34 | ojwb | it not really NSFW, it's rather about creating a pleasant and friendly environment to participate in |
| 05:31.38 | svaksha | kstar: http://pastebin.com/S65gnKL4 |
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| 05:32.49 | svaksha | that discussion isnt exactly women-friendly, and any channel under the 'gsoc' namespace should enforce minimum behaviour standards |
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| 05:33.12 | kstar | svaksha: I understand. |
| 05:33.21 | kstar | svaksha: How do you recommend that we set up rules? |
| 05:33.33 | kstar | svaksha: Are you an op? |
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| 05:33.39 | svaksha | karthikbashetty_: that is a nickserv command |
| 05:33.45 | svaksha | karthikbashetty_: not an op |
| 05:33.58 | kstar | svaksha: Okay, I don't know who the other ops are. |
| 05:34.18 | kstar | svaksha: I'm just wondering who will keep track of it during Indian waking hours. |
| 05:34.24 | kstar | svaksha: Let's take this to #g-i |
| 05:35.09 | svaksha | kstar: there are tons of COC's out there which can be linked in /topic |
| 05:35.40 | svaksha | kstar: i wasnt awake at the time this lovely discussion was taking place |
| 05:35.53 | kstar | svaksha: Ah, okay. |
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| 05:36.24 | svaksha | fwiw, self-policing works the best. we are all adults arent we :P |
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| 06:14.07 | elricL | Anyone from shotwell here? their irc is dead |
| 06:14.34 | scorche | surely there are other means of communicating |
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| 06:14.54 | elricL | like? |
| 06:15.28 | scorche | mailing lists? |
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| 06:21.14 | ojwb | elricL: if there are no mentors for org X responding in their channel, it's really unlikely there will be any here |
| 06:21.45 | ojwb | or do you mean they have their own irc server and it's not responding? |
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| 06:37.43 | skbohra_ | Myth17: not sure yet. |
| 06:38.08 | Myth17 | ahh |
| 06:38.30 | elricL | ojwb, exactly |
| 06:40.04 | Myth17 | skbohra_, your blog post has inspired me. I am applying this year :) |
| 06:40.34 | skbohra_ | Myth17: awesome, glad to see that helped |
| 06:41.02 | Myth17 | :) |
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| 06:43.07 | kblin | morning folks |
| 06:43.28 | skbohra_ | morning |
| 06:43.53 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 06:43.58 | thebolt | afternoon ;) |
| 06:44.12 | kblin | holy crap, I never will understand how people can have patience for this.. |
| 06:44.33 | thebolt | for what? |
| 06:44.46 | kblin | someone ran about 200 sequences through our webserver last night |
| 06:45.14 | kblin | we support uploading and running a single file at a time |
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| 06:45.54 | kblin | I mean, they could possibly have scripted the web form, but I highly doubt they did |
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| 06:49.26 | thebolt | kblin: ah, people with persistence and yea, lots of patience ;) |
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| 06:50.40 | kblin | I sure would have written a perl script for this :) |
| 06:51.56 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
| 06:52.05 | thebolt | not sure i would choose perl, but still |
| 06:52.45 | kblin | it's iterating over files in the current directory, that's more annoying to do in python |
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| 06:54.15 | thebolt | true.. shellscript? :) |
| 06:55.22 | kblin | sure, perl is sh on steroids |
| 06:55.30 | kblin | with all the ugly side effencts |
| 06:55.47 | kblin | has the extra n for breakfast |
| 06:56.15 | thebolt | :) |
| 06:57.37 | thebolt | so how's spring progressing in europe? must say i am not thrilled by the weather prognosis for two weeks from now when i once again will set my foot on northern european soil.. |
| 06:58.38 | kblin | it's nice warm and sunny here |
| 06:59.06 | thebolt | thats good |
| 06:59.59 | thebolt | hm, how far south is it you live? |
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| 07:11.46 | Vishnu_S | Hello everyone :-) |
| 07:12.46 | sritolia | Good morning to all....dont know where it is good morning |
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| 07:14.58 | kblin | thebolt: 48.5 degrees north, roughly |
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| 07:18.44 | thebolt | ah, fair bit more south than where i am going.. |
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| 07:35.35 | socinfo | dreimark: "next" is March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. |
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