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| 00:27.29 | vin | How many students applied last year? |
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| 00:27.38 | SRabbelier | !numstudents |
| 00:27.49 | SRabbelier | !numapplied |
| 00:27.50 | SRabbelier | hm |
| 00:27.59 | mmadia | !numstats |
| 00:28.01 | SRabbelier | ah |
| 00:28.02 | SRabbelier | !numapps |
| 00:28.02 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 00:28.34 | vin | wow, so the odds are pretty good... |
| 00:28.57 | SRabbelier | !odds |
| 00:28.58 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 00:29.31 | ravenlock | this is off topic I'm sure but.... I keep getting asked for a *phone number* when creating a gmail account. While my friend right next to me never gets asked for such things. Anyone ever experience this? |
| 00:29.35 | vin | I will shut up now ;) |
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| 00:32.11 | bugQ | ravenlock: I was asked for one when I signed up for beta, but that was yeeaaars ago |
| 00:32.36 | bugQ | however it might be used for the sms features |
| 00:32.51 | ravenlock | hm. but now. as I say... *I* get asked for it. two ppl at my office create one right in front of me with no such issue. |
| 00:33.04 | ravenlock | very odd. |
| 00:33.30 | ravenlock | it want phone number to "text me the activation code" ? to use the gmail account. :S |
| 00:33.56 | ravenlock | anyway. I know this is not "gmail support"... just thought I'd see if anyone had seen this b4. |
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| 00:35.05 | PlainFlavored_ | vin: so, hypothetically speaking, let's say that everyone had the same credentials and the same level of skill |
| 00:35.38 | achillion | ravenlock: isn't the mobile phone number just for password recovery? at least that's what gmail tells me |
| 00:35.42 | PlainFlavored_ | that being the case, based on admission and acceptance rates of previous years, there's a one in six chance you will be accepted if you live in my hypothetical world |
| 00:36.07 | vin | I wasnt talking about that. It is more that I know that there are people who are probably more qualified than me to enter so if there were 6 million people signing up for the GSOC, there would be a lot of them better than me |
| 00:36.25 | vin | I am confident that if I put effort in my application that I can get accepted |
| 00:36.32 | ravenlock | achillion: no. not for recovery. It is used to txt me an "activation" code so I can use the account. It says if I do not have txt capabilities, they will phone me with an "automated" system to provide the activation code. :/ |
| 00:36.38 | flatwhatson_ | all you can do is try, right? |
| 00:36.58 | vin | Off course :) |
| 00:37.11 | PlainFlavored_ | nobody writes good code |
| 00:37.41 | achillion | ravenlock: weird :/ |
| 00:37.43 | ravenlock | nods |
| 00:38.17 | vin | But I have school until the first week of june, maybe a little later |
| 00:38.43 | LaptopFlavored | i can't imagine working on an open source software project being a fulltime commitment |
| 00:38.44 | vin | In the timeline the coding starts at 23th of may |
| 00:39.05 | LaptopFlavored | then again i haven't done much research on gsoc, and i should probably start right now |
| 00:39.11 | vin | but I cant start "full time" untul the mid of may... |
| 00:39.16 | vin | *june |
| 00:39.19 | vin | is that a problem? |
| 00:44.35 | flatwhatson_ | from what i've seen on mailing lists for projects where GSoC students are participating, it's not unusual for them to have exams and/or study during parts of the timeline |
| 00:45.09 | flatwhatson_ | i'm in the same boat, due to being an aussie... i have exams during the start of GSoC and second semester starts near the end |
| 00:47.24 | gevaerts | !exams |
| 00:47.24 | socinfo | gevaerts: "exams" is If your exams overlap the gsoc coding period, you can still apply. Make sure you mention the issue in your application, and discuss it with the organisation. A common workaround is to start work early, during the community bonding period, and to do a bit more than the normal 40 hours per week after the exams. |
| 00:47.30 | gevaerts | vin: ^ |
| 00:47.54 | vin | thanks |
| 00:48.15 | LaptopFlavored | oh, so gsoc is a full-time commitment |
| 00:48.44 | stephK | Yeah, I've heard most projects expect 30-40 hours a week. |
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| 01:04.13 | dberkholz | people tend to sort out scheduling issues by beginning work earlier, during the bonding period |
| 01:04.46 | dberkholz | that way you get as much work done, just spread out over a longer period of time |
| 01:06.25 | dberkholz | LaptopFlavored: yep, see http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/time-management-for-students/ |
| 01:06.46 | LaptopFlavored | oh neat, thanks |
| 01:07.40 | LaptopFlavored | also, if i'm just starting the research/application process now, am i too late? |
| 01:09.51 | dberkholz | LaptopFlavored: not at all, but you'll be at a bit of a disadvantage to students who started earlier |
| 01:10.14 | LaptopFlavored | okay, thank you |
| 01:10.20 | LaptopFlavored | i just found out about gsoc yesterday |
| 01:10.29 | LaptopFlavored | it seems really exciting |
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| 01:11.47 | mjohnst | what year of university are most of you guys in? |
| 01:11.51 | mjohnst | students that is |
| 01:12.17 | LaptopFlavored | sophomore |
| 01:12.30 | dberkholz | LaptopFlavored: but you need to get in touch with orgs ASAP |
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| 01:13.07 | mjohnst | are sophomores considered to be barely required? |
| 01:13.14 | mjohnst | i'm sophomore as well |
| 01:13.27 | dberkholz | as long as you can code, it doesn't matter what year you are |
| 01:13.54 | dberkholz | we care about what you can do, not where you are in school |
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| 01:14.20 | LaptopFlavored | one more question |
| 01:14.28 | LaptopFlavored | can you do only ever do one summer of code? |
| 01:14.56 | dberkholz | you can do multiple from google's POV. orgs are free to set their own rules for repeats within that org |
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| 01:15.23 | LaptopFlavored | beautiful |
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| 01:20.07 | Anunay1 | what does a good proposal consist of, like should we give some sample code or some pictures showing our ideas(and how we are going to solve the ideas) |
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| 01:21.08 | r0bby | Anunay1: a good proposal contains a *DETAILED* project plan with milestones |
| 01:21.13 | r0bby | that is due dates |
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| 01:21.37 | r0bby | you can modify it during the program as needed, but show you know how you'll implement it |
| 01:21.54 | r0bby | code may or may not be helpful but not necessary |
| 01:22.36 | r0bby | a detailed plan will help you certainly -- treat this like you would any application |
| 01:22.44 | Triskelios | some projects may like it if you show related work you've done, but no existing code for a particular project is expected |
| 01:22.53 | r0bby | you're applying for a job -- and GSoC is VERY selective |
| 01:23.00 | r0bby | sell yourself well! |
| 01:23.09 | r0bby | be prepared to iterate on your proposal |
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| 01:23.14 | r0bby | ask for feedback after you submit it |
| 01:23.34 | r0bby | Ask where you could improve it, what's they're looking for and add that |
| 01:23.48 | r0bby | (I've participated in 2008, 2009 and 2010) |
| 01:23.51 | r0bby | so I know. |
| 01:24.21 | robbyoconnor | I'll show you the proposal I used last year |
| 01:24.50 | Anunay1 | like i was trying to apply for openCV and i liked one particular idea and i mailed the mentor yesterday about some questions as i have read some where that contacting mentors before hand would help a lot but i am not getting any reply |
| 01:25.11 | Anunay1 | @robbyoconnor thank you |
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| 01:26.26 | robbyoconnor | https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVdXhTCPNJoYZGY4dzY2ajdfMTc0Y3c1cnBtZjM&hl=en&authkey=COucpbcJ |
| 01:27.51 | robbyoconnor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_criteria |
| 01:28.07 | robbyoconnor | that's what I meant by SMART |
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| 01:28.16 | robbyoconnor | that was 2010 |
| 01:30.31 | Anunay1 | ya i get that |
| 01:30.46 | robbyoconnor | Anunay1: see if you can get a response from somebody else @ openCV |
| 01:31.10 | robbyoconnor | Keep in mind that mentors have day jobs |
| 01:31.20 | robbyoconnor | and may or may not be busy with family and such! |
| 01:31.31 | robbyoconnor | the org gets paid, not the mentors |
| 01:31.35 | Anunay1 | ya |
| 01:31.49 | robbyoconnor | so mentors are essencially doing it for free |
| 01:33.08 | robbyoconnor | if you don't get a response, ping them again in a few days |
| 01:33.54 | Anunay1 | i will try but is it true that contacting them early would help |
| 01:34.06 | robbyoconnor | Anunay1: yes |
| 01:34.11 | robbyoconnor | most definitely! |
| 01:34.17 | robbyoconnor | shows you want it and are serious |
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| 01:35.07 | robbyoconnor | but let your proposal show you're serious |
| 01:35.11 | robbyoconnor | with specific dates |
| 01:35.20 | robbyoconnor | show what you're gonna complete by the midterm evals |
| 01:35.30 | robbyoconnor | then what's gonna be completed by the end! |
| 01:35.39 | robbyoconnor | (have milestones in between -- weekly) |
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| 01:35.57 | Anunay1 | i understand that r0bby was also stressing on that |
| 01:36.07 | robbyoconnor | Anunay1: I am r0bby ;) |
| 01:36.14 | Anunay1 | oh sorry |
| 01:36.15 | robbyoconnor | I just switched my nick |
| 01:36.23 | Anunay1 | ok ok |
| 01:36.38 | robbyoconnor | you have all the info you need -- now make your proposal shine |
| 01:36.45 | robbyoconnor | you have a nice template :) |
| 01:36.53 | Anunay1 | thank you |
| 01:39.29 | robbyoconnor | Best of luck |
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| 01:48.53 | btford | robbyconnor: thanks for sharing your insights :) |
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| 01:49.22 | btford | I've just begun writing my proposal. Your advice is very helpful. |
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| 01:51.32 | robbyoconnor | btford: yeh =) |
| 01:52.10 | brlcad | just an FYI to any would-be project-hunting students, we just finished adding and detailing a bunch of additional ideas on our project ideas list for BRL-CAD |
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| 01:52.42 | Anunay1 | one more thing is it good to apply for 4 or 5 ideas of the same org i have experience in computer vision and also with openCV so i would like to apply for it as i will have more chances of getting selected |
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| 01:53.28 | robbyoconnor | Anunay1: most want you to do it |
| 01:53.42 | robbyoconnor | BUT be sure you state your order of preference! |
| 01:53.59 | brlcad | Anunay1: more applications to the same org won't usually increase your chances with that org (at least beyond 2) .. better to make more detailed proposals and just start working with them on code |
| 01:54.18 | brlcad | now spanning across to additional orgs, that might |
| 01:54.25 | robbyoconnor | state order of preference! |
| 01:54.34 | btford | robbyoconnor: where do you state that? |
| 01:54.43 | robbyoconnor | btford: in your app somewhere |
| 01:54.43 | btford | In your application? |
| 01:54.45 | robbyoconnor | one of them |
| 01:54.50 | btford | Ah, I see. |
| 01:54.56 | robbyoconnor | maybe all |
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| 01:55.12 | btford | There's quite a lot of strategy involved in submitting applications. :) |
| 01:55.26 | brlcad | yeah, we've appreciated a student telling us that they have apps in with other orgs, and which is their top-pick in the past |
| 01:55.28 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 01:55.34 | robbyoconnor | spread it out among diff orgs |
| 01:55.41 | robbyoconnor | conflicts will be handled if they occur |
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| 01:57.11 | robbyoconnor | full disclosure is best =) |
| 01:57.52 | robbyoconnor | (keep in mind, my advice is as a former student who successfully got chosen every time --my first instance I had a craptastic proposoal with no competition) |
| 01:58.40 | btford | I take all advice with a grain of salt, but still, I think what you've said makes sense. |
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| 04:44.52 | dberkholz | Nightrose, |Kev|: take a look at ellen's v2; i wrote a bunch of new content and would love your help looking it over and fixing it. she'd like to send it out for review in the morning (cali time), which is roughly 8-9 hours from now |
| 04:46.47 | dberkholz | huh. that took my entire night's worth of free time. guess i'll go to sleep now. |
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| 06:18.17 | dr_maru | Hello =) |
| 06:19.01 | NayanShah | hello dr_maru |
| 06:20.00 | dr_maru | Hmm not many people respond here. My IRC client says there's about 300 users online! |
| 06:20.15 | kblin | power-idling |
| 06:20.37 | tamerlan | lurks |
| 06:20.50 | dr_maru | kblin: ic thanks =) |
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| 06:22.46 | dr_maru | So how are the applications coming along? |
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| 06:26.31 | kblin | !next |
| 06:26.31 | socinfo | kblin: "next" is March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. |
| 06:27.03 | kblin | afaict application period starts on the 27th :) |
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| 06:28.03 | kblin | anyhow, off to work |
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| 06:54.28 | ojwb | kblin: students can start to write them now though |
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| 07:24.02 | mayanks43 | !timeline |
| 07:24.02 | socinfo | mayanks43: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
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| 08:09.20 | thebolt | hi wolfb |
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| 08:25.57 | apurvtwr_ | !yes |
| 08:25.57 | socinfo | apurvtwr_: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
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| 08:35.38 | |Kev| | dberkholz: v2 looks good to me. |
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| 08:39.02 | ojwb | |Kev|: is this the student antipatterns thing? |
| 08:39.17 | |Kev| | Aye. |
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| 08:39.48 | Nightrose | dberkholz: |Kev|: will have a look in a few mins |
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| 08:40.32 | |Kev| | Nightrose: Thanks. |
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| 08:41.06 | rgdroid_ | hi..can anyone tell where to find google group for komodo labs |
| 08:41.12 | rgdroid_ | and also thre irc channel |
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| 08:48.52 | in3xes | !no |
| 08:48.52 | socinfo | in3xes: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 08:49.04 | in3xes | hehe |
| 08:49.25 | rgdroid_ | does anyone know the irc channel for komodo labs |
| 08:49.37 | rgdroid_ | and also there google group |
| 08:49.55 | in3xes | rgdroid_: Tried their site? |
| 08:50.25 | rgdroid_ | yes...but thre is no link for there google group |
| 08:50.35 | rgdroid_ | and there is only 1 person on there irc |
| 08:50.44 | rgdroid_ | and there is no response on there irc |
| 08:51.06 | in3xes | rgdroid_: Have patience. |
| 08:52.20 | in3xes | probably all of them are sleeping |
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| 08:53.19 | rgdroid_ | its been 2days now |
| 08:53.23 | rgdroid_ | i tried even yesterday |
| 08:53.43 | rgdroid_ | irc.oftc.net #idrc-mobile what does this irc mean??? |
| 08:53.55 | rgdroid_ | i tried channel #idrc-mobile on freenode |
| 08:54.09 | in3xes | rgdroid_: irc.oftc.net is the server |
| 08:54.17 | socketguru | its not on freenode |
| 08:54.28 | rgdroid_ | so how do i connect on this channel |
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| 08:55.03 | in3xes | rgdroid_: Seems you are using web interface..right? |
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| 08:58.35 | socketguru | connect to irc.iftc.net |
| 08:58.39 | socketguru | *oftc |
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| 09:34.11 | wvl | Hi! I'm a student from Belgium and unfortunately, my exams are planned for the entire month of June. Would I still be able to participate / has anyone done gsoc with the same schedule? |
| 09:34.32 | Dark_Shikari | That's the latest I've seen in terms of exams; I've had a lot of students miss up to mid-june though |
| 09:34.42 | Dark_Shikari | The typical schedules I've seen for that are: |
| 09:34.50 | Dark_Shikari | 1) Start early, stop for exams, continue later |
| 09:34.59 | Dark_Shikari | 2) Start late, continue after gsoc end |
| 09:35.09 | Dark_Shikari | 2) requires you do at least some work before midterms though, I think yours is too late for that. |
| 09:36.56 | wvl | Yeah I would prefer to do 2) but the payments/evaluations are already starting early |
| 09:37.13 | wvl | my holidays last till the end of september though |
| 09:37.48 | ojwb | (2) is more open to abuse, so (1) is easy to sell to orgs |
| 09:38.47 | wvl | Hmm so its probably best to contact the organizations to see what they would accept? |
| 09:38.53 | eakuefner | Question: Is the income we earn from SoC taxable? |
| 09:38.56 | eakuefner | I'm in the US |
| 09:39.00 | solardiz | wvl: a student going to apply to us (openwall) has the same problem. we're going to suggest early start. |
| 09:39.10 | |Kev| | eakuefner: You'll have to ask a tax advisor/accountant. I imagine so. |
| 09:39.35 | ojwb | wvl: definitely |
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| 09:40.14 | ojwb | wvl: many orgs are willing to be flexible, but we want to know rather than have it dropped on us |
| 09:40.39 | solardiz | wvl: early start has the advantage that you might get more attention/help from your mentor |
| 09:41.10 | wvl | well I would try anyway to do as much as possible beforehand, I hope it works out with lectures and projects. We tend to have lots of deadlines towards the end of the semester. |
| 09:41.19 | eakuefner | |Kev|: Will we be required to submit a W-9 if we get selected? |
| 09:41.28 | |Kev| | I have no idea. |
| 09:41.32 | wvl | bu in any case ill explain it to the organizations beforehand ;) |
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| 09:42.07 | ojwb | eakuefner: I believe there's a tax form, but I don't know the number |
| 09:42.15 | ojwb | I think it's a different one for US and non-US |
| 09:42.20 | |Kev| | eakuefner: I believe which forms US students are required to fill out is documented. I have never paid attention to that. |
| 09:42.37 | ojwb | the payment is done as if you are a contractor, AIUI |
| 09:43.06 | eakuefner | Fair enough. I'll cross that bridge when I get there, in any case. |
| 09:43.36 | ojwb | i'd assume you'll be taxed on it |
| 09:43.43 | ojwb | then just maybe you get a nice surprise |
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| 09:46.46 | eakuefner | I just did a bit of googling. It looks like yes, students in the US must submit a W-9 to Google, yes, the income is taxable, and yes, the income gets treated as self-employment. |
| 09:47.47 | |Kev| | The TREMENDOUS POWER of documentation :) |
| 09:48.05 | eakuefner | At least Google Groups, certainly. |
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| 09:49.09 | eakuefner | I'm going to bed. These late nights are something. Last night I talked to the CernVM people from 3:30 to 4:30. |
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| 09:49.41 | |Kev| | I switched to basically US time (I'm UK) at one point when I was dealing with the Google Talk guys a lot about their VOIP stuff. |
| 09:49.50 | |Kev| | It's harsh being out of sync:) |
| 09:50.09 | eakuefner | Ah. Yeah. I'm in California. |
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| 10:31.50 | in3xes | rgdroid_: get a client like xchat or something. and connect to irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:44.26 | rgdroid_ | in3xes : also thre is no google group for discussion for komodo labs |
| 10:46.24 | svaksha | rgdroid_: their gsoc page has no information about the list or channel? i found a listing for #komodo on freenode but not sure if that is what you are looking for |
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| 11:02.09 | rgdroid_ | svaksha : i just want to chat with komodo members to discuss project ideas |
| 11:02.51 | spm_Draget | It is not exactly 'fantastic' that money is needed to motivate people, but nonetheless, it is 'fantastic' _that_ people are motivated to help so many OSS projects! I love gsoc - and would privately donate if there was a donate-button just to widen the support even more! |
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| 11:03.34 | ojwb | rgdroid_: well, it just took me 10 seconds to find their irc channel... |
| 11:03.40 | ojwb | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2011/komodo |
| 11:03.46 | ojwb | (click on the org name in the org list) |
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| 11:32.31 | SkyNetMaster | hello, to whom my I speak regarding suggested project for 2011? |
| 11:33.01 | Tyron | to the people of the particular project you want to work with |
| 11:33.10 | SkyNetMaster | I dont want to work a project |
| 11:33.24 | Tyron | i mean the accepted organisations |
| 11:33.40 | SkyNetMaster | I wanted to give some feedback for the google before project start, because I have already done same job during my phd |
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| 11:34.27 | bobbens | SkyNetMaster: out of curiosity what project? :) |
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| 11:34.46 | SkyNetMaster | "TinyOS code execution in ns-3" under ns-3 |
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| 11:36.25 | ojwb | SkyNetMaster: google don't pick you, the organisation does |
| 11:36.45 | SkyNetMaster | I dont wanna be picked :) |
| 11:37.05 | SkyNetMaster | it is already done and that what I wanted to say, the rest is not my prb |
| 11:37.24 | ojwb | oh i see, you mean an idea on the list has already been implemented? |
| 11:37.32 | SkyNetMaster | I thought this was the "support" forum so discuses such things |
| 11:37.37 | SkyNetMaster | yes it is |
| 11:38.03 | ojwb | sorry, it wasn't clear what you were asking |
| 11:38.05 | SkyNetMaster | there is a small papper about it and I am defenting my thesis in a month |
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| 11:38.26 | ojwb | does the organisation know it has been done? |
| 11:38.56 | SkyNetMaster | I have presented the first work on it for them more then a year ago |
| 11:39.12 | SkyNetMaster | and the guys from the project knows that too |
| 11:39.58 | SkyNetMaster | the organization is big, ns3. So they probably can not keep track of everything what is going on in the research |
| 11:40.24 | ojwb | i think ns3 are probably the best people to tell |
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| 11:40.45 | eoc | if they list possible mentors for their idea, maybe try to contact those |
| 11:40.57 | SkyNetMaster | oki oki, I have no idea how this works so I took first best contact :) |
| 11:41.04 | ojwb | it would be inefficient for someone to redo your work, but I doubt google would want to step in |
| 11:41.45 | SkyNetMaster | just cant find anyone responsible for the project in ns-3 |
| 11:41.49 | ojwb | a lot of reinventing existing things goes on in the open source world sadly |
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| 11:43.04 | SkyNetMaster | yes, and this is strange because the idea of open source it to not redo things but rather to improve existing soliutions |
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| 11:43.26 | SkyNetMaster | from other hand there is no good tool to find that is going on and what is done |
| 11:44.02 | SkyNetMaster | maybe goodge-open-source-projects search would ge nice, like merging the seraches from the shoolar and code |
| 11:44.03 | CrawfordComeaux | sounds like someone just had a bluesky moment! |
| 11:44.04 | Tyron | ojwb: Most reinvented things work slightly differently however |
| 11:44.46 | ojwb | Tyron: yes, but often not differently enough to really justify it |
| 11:45.06 | ojwb | SkyNetMaster: http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/index.php/GSOC2011Projects#TinyOS_code_execution_in_ns-3 lists 3 mentors |
| 11:45.10 | ojwb | I'd contact them |
| 11:45.14 | SkyNetMaster | I don't see the need for reinventing, there is always wais to improve it |
| 11:45.40 | Tyron | But generally I think the whole software world is about take something existing and attempting to make it better |
| 11:45.41 | SkyNetMaster | ojwb, oki oki |
| 11:45.48 | Tyron | *taking |
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| 11:46.14 | SkyNetMaster | the issue with open source is in many cases bad documentation |
| 11:46.41 | ojwb | that's true of a lot of non-open source software too |
| 11:46.43 | ojwb | and hardware |
| 11:46.44 | ojwb | and ... |
| 11:46.45 | SkyNetMaster | and you need too long time to understand the working, or you can get help from the developer to answer your questions about the implementation |
| 11:46.47 | Tyron | natrually, everybody hates documenting ;) |
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| 11:47.36 | SkyNetMaster | hehe, thats true, the tools for electrifying developer for not documenting good enough may be efficient :) |
| 11:48.53 | CrawfordComeaux | Now THERE'S a problem I'd like to tackle: promoting good documentation... |
| 11:49.08 | CrawfordComeaux | I wonder how that could be gamified |
| 11:49.25 | Tyron | EXP for each documented function? |
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| 11:50.45 | SkyNetMaster | google summer of documentation? |
| 11:50.59 | Tyron | maybe if we had a programming language where you document and program in the same step |
| 11:51.27 | ojwb | Tyron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CWEB |
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| 11:52.02 | CrawfordComeaux | I prefer the EXP idea... |
| 11:52.09 | SkyNetMaster | ojwb, you managed before me! |
| 11:52.20 | SkyNetMaster | dunno why it died, kind of |
| 11:52.30 | CrawfordComeaux | but make it social, so that you can have doc reviews that are fun, too |
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| 11:52.55 | SkyNetMaster | nice chatting to you guys, but I better get back to work! |
| 11:53.13 | SkyNetMaster | have a geeky weekend! |
| 11:53.16 | CrawfordComeaux | thumbs down on documentation for a function is an attack against the author... |
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| 11:53.55 | CrawfordComeaux | thumbs ups are like allies defending against the attack & possibly counter-attacking if their numbers are high enough... |
| 11:54.07 | CrawfordComeaux | ...I need a pen... |
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| 12:14.26 | rgdroid_ | can anyone tell how to connect to irc.oftc.net #idrc-mobile using xchat |
| 12:15.37 | dberkholz | Nightrose: |Kev|: i just ran through it; looks great |
| 12:15.53 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 12:16.21 | aghisla | +1 for google summer of documentation, and also of interface design.. |
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| 12:17.00 | dberkholz | i like antipatterns too, but i do agree that they may not be known, and many students may not even know about design patterns yet |
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| 12:19.31 | gangil | rgdroid_, Xchat->Network List-> Select oftc and then /j #idrc-mobile |
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| 14:03.40 | nikhil88 | hello... |
| 14:04.58 | rijojosephc | :-) |
| 14:06.00 | nikhil88 | have you any idea about nui ? |
| 14:06.09 | nikhil88 | nui group community? |
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| 14:06.54 | rijojosephc | sorry.. no idea!! |
| 14:07.01 | nikhil88 | hm.. |
| 14:07.03 | nikhil88 | :\ |
| 14:07.15 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 14:07.15 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 14:07.22 | nikhil88 | ya |
| 14:07.59 | nikhil88 | ok |
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| 14:09.14 | nikhil88 | which org are you preferring? |
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| 14:13.40 | apurvtwr | !lol |
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| 14:14.34 | nikhil88 | :P |
| 14:15.01 | nikhil88 | looking for them from past few couple o days all puzzled .... |
| 14:16.07 | apurvtwr | and you have finally found them :) |
| 14:16.21 | |Kev| | nikhil88: You mean you can't find contact details for the NUI group? |
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| 14:18.10 | nikhil88 | i mean contact details + the bussiness modelling actually , do they work on audio players multitouch? |
| 14:18.37 | nikhil88 | if multitouch how can i work from home without having any specific h/w |
| 14:19.01 | nikhil88 | h/w=hardware |
| 14:19.31 | nikhil88 | and i have downloaded the sudio player,it playes just 1 prerecorded music and an on/off button |
| 14:19.59 | nikhil88 | what does this nui actually wants |
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| 15:11.30 | CrawfordComeaux | For anyone possibly interested in coming up with "grey sky" ideas (they're not quite blue, cause we have set the problem domain), check out the last section on FiberCorps's idea list: http://www.fibercorps.com/gsoc-2011-ideas.html |
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| 15:23.22 | ojwb | !eligible |
| 15:23.23 | socinfo | ojwb: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
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| 15:50.36 | nouby1 | hi every one |
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| 15:52.16 | brlcad | hello nouby1 |
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| 15:54.01 | nouby1 | brlcad:are u a GSOC student |
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| 15:55.16 | adityag | i am a potential GSOC student |
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| 15:55.25 | nouby1 | me to |
| 15:55.27 | brlcad | nouby1: nope, org |
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| 15:55.46 | adityag | brlcad: which org ? |
| 15:55.51 | brlcad | heh, BRL-CAD |
| 15:55.55 | nouby1 | brlcad:is it okay to start talking to a mentor today? |
| 15:56.00 | brlcad | nouby1: of course |
| 15:56.08 | hiemanshu | nouby1: better late than never |
| 15:56.10 | brlcad | you should start asap, but it's never too late |
| 15:56.20 | nouby1 | i talked to a mentor 4 days ago |
| 15:56.28 | nouby1 | and i kept talking to him daily |
| 15:56.58 | nouby1 | brlcad:but he always busy |
| 15:57.34 | nouby1 | he couldn't help me to fully understand the project requirments |
| 15:57.43 | brlcad | nouby1: most everyone is 'busy' to some degree :) |
| 15:57.50 | brlcad | well that's good to discover that early at least |
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| 15:58.12 | nouby1 | brlcad:so i decided to start all over with another mentor |
| 15:58.14 | brlcad | that's the point of talking with mentors early so you can get a feel for how you interact with them and they can get a feel for you |
| 15:58.22 | adityag | is there any ideas related to web developments ? like drupal , etc ? |
| 15:58.39 | brlcad | if it's not working out, you can part separate ways before being "married" with a project and deadlines :) |
| 15:58.49 | nouby1 | hhhhhhhhh |
| 15:58.53 | brlcad | adityag: we have a couple we-related projects on our ideas list |
| 15:58.58 | brlcad | *web-related |
| 15:59.12 | adityag | brlcad: can i pm you ? |
| 15:59.24 | gevaerts | adityag: have you tried filtering the organisations list on the "web" tag? |
| 15:59.39 | brlcad | adityag: I'm sure you're capable of doing that, yes -- may you? sure too :) |
| 16:00.08 | nouby1 | brlcad:so you think it's not too late to start talking to mentors |
| 16:00.14 | brlcad | nouby1: not at all |
| 16:00.19 | adityag | brlcad: absolutely... what im trying to do is that finding mentors who are available here like you |
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| 16:00.52 | brlcad | adityag: best to try the orgs you're interested in via their channels or mailing lists |
| 16:01.09 | brlcad | this channel is more general discussion and assistance |
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| 16:02.29 | adityag | ok cool... can we talk about the web related project on brlcad ? |
| 16:02.51 | nouby1 | is it possible that a GSOC organizer helps me to pick the best mentor? |
| 16:03.05 | nouby1 | brlcad:or do i have to do it all on my own? |
| 16:03.35 | |Kev| | nouby1: You don't strictly pick a mentor. |
| 16:03.39 | brlcad | nouby1: you shouldn't be too concerned with "picking a mentor" .. focus on picking a project, that will lead you to a mentor |
| 16:03.47 | |Kev| | You pick a project, and if accepted, the org itself will pick a mentor for you. |
| 16:03.51 | adityag | brlcad : ^ ? |
| 16:04.13 | brlcad | adityag: you don't have to ask permission for that for any org |
| 16:04.18 | dberkholz | nouby1: the organization should help match you with a mentor |
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| 16:05.04 | nouby1 | brlcad:ah Ok :) |
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| 16:07.03 | CrawfordComeaux | nouby1: have you checked out FiberCorps's idea list? http://www.fibercorps.com/gsoc-2011-ideas.html |
| 16:07.38 | |Kev| | CrawfordComeaux: Using the channel for overt recruiting probably isn't ideal :) |
| 16:08.03 | CrawfordComeaux | doh! sorry :) |
| 16:08.42 | CrawfordComeaux | Is it kosher to ask students to query me? |
| 16:08.46 | gevaerts | There's no clear cut rule I think |
| 16:09.26 | gevaerts | If a student asks about a rather specific topic, I think it's fine to mention your project |
| 16:09.30 | |Kev| | Right, it's not a huge problem - but if everyone started replying to every student looking for an org with "Check us out", it'd get a bit busy a bit quickly. |
| 16:09.39 | gevaerts | I wouldn't know what "rather specific" means though :) |
| 16:10.56 | brlcad | CrawfordComeaux: moreover, it can sometimes attract students that aren't really interested in your org, but personalities looking to put forth the least effort .. |
| 16:11.53 | ojwb | a more useful approach if to think of places where you might be able to find students interested in your org's area |
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| 16:14.16 | CrawfordComeaux | hmmm...I'll see if I can come up with anything, though our stuff's all kind of broad |
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| 16:15.18 | Triskelios | your org looks rather... region-specific |
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| 16:17.41 | CrawfordComeaux | Triskelios: yes & no...we're working to develop a model for other cities that get high (10+ Mbps) internet service to follow in order to speed up the process through which that untapped utility impacts those cities |
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| 16:38.20 | skbohra_ | good morning channel |
| 16:38.28 | bobbens | moin |
| 16:38.35 | skbohra_ | and it's again that time of year |
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| 16:39.01 | bobbens | you're late |
| 16:40.12 | skbohra_ | am I ? |
| 16:41.21 | bobbens | orgs were published like a week ago :P |
| 16:41.49 | skbohra_ | Our org got in :) |
| 16:42.01 | bobbens | grats |
| 16:44.30 | Myth17 | skbohra_, applying as mentor this year? |
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| 16:48.40 | benste | hi someone in here responsible for the gnome GSOC project list ? |
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| 16:50.23 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 16:50.23 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 16:50.27 | |Kev| | benste: ^ |
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| 16:51.27 | benste | kev - #gnome is a little bit too crowded to ask there for GSOC :-) + it's not hosted on freenode but gimp.net |
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| 16:52.14 | hiemanshu | benste: gnome-dev or something? |
| 16:52.25 | benste | hiemanshu: gnome-hackers |
| 16:52.28 | hiemanshu | benste: also the org page should have a link/something to ask |
| 16:52.30 | benste | and gnome |
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| 16:53.07 | benste | hiemanshu: well i was just searching for a work to apply on and saw something interesting which i knew a whole bunch of devs is already working on |
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| 16:53.27 | hiemanshu | benste: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2011/gnome |
| 16:54.11 | benste | hiemanshu: well I'm in there since the first reply in here that I'd better ask ther e:-) |
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| 18:05.13 | abidrahmank | carols: I am interested in a project in OpenCV. I can't send any mails to the id shown in the org profile(mail delivery failure). I also tried mailing the proposed mentor. But i haven't got any resposnse. What do i do? |
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| 18:05.38 | carols | abidrahmank: do they have an irc channel? |
| 18:07.18 | abidrahmank | carols: None is listed in the profile. There is a channel #opencv in freenode. But i didn't get any response from there either. |
| 18:07.41 | |Kev| | abidrahmank: Did you remain in the channel after you asked? |
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| 18:08.26 | abidrahmank | carols: I waited for nearly one hour |
| 18:08.52 | bobbens | an hour is nothing in the world of IRC |
| 18:08.56 | |Kev| | Depending on what the people in the channel are doing, it can take much longer than an hour to get a response. |
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| 18:16.42 | DrJoel | Is there anyway to look at the GCI task list now? It says page is inactive. |
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| 18:18.39 | merwok | DrJoel: I believe that the Code-In is over. Maybe someone decided that the list should not be visible anymore, for some reaso. |
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| 18:19.34 | DrJoel | :( I was trying to export our incompleted task list. And look to see if I was missing a submission on one. I can't remember if it got finished or not. |
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| 18:20.24 | merwok | If there is no reply in this channel after a bit of time, try emailing an admin |
| 18:20.49 | DrJoel | Yep. SRabbelier must be asleep at the keyboard |
| 18:20.58 | |Kev| | DrJoel: Does GGI use Melange? |
| 18:21.00 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: why am I sleeping? |
| 18:21.05 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: yes |
| 18:21.07 | |Kev| | If so, #melange is an option |
| 18:21.14 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Of course, you're an option too :) |
| 18:22.04 | DrJoel | I thought you would have answered first. :-D |
| 18:22.14 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: I'm getting Melange ready for launch |
| 18:22.16 | |Kev| | Awake doesn't mean watching window 8 of irssi :) |
| 18:22.24 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: +1 |
| 18:22.40 | DrJoel | I wanted to look through the RTEMS GCI tasks to make sure everything got merged. In particular, I am trying to find out if one task was finished and I lost the file |
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| 18:23.36 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: url? |
| 18:25.36 | DrJoel | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/list_org_tasks/google/gci2010/rtems |
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| 18:26.18 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: you can't access it? |
| 18:26.28 | DrJoel | no :( |
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| 18:26.45 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: EMOREDATA |
| 18:26.55 | DrJoel | This page is inactive at this time. |
| 18:27.00 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: hm |
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| 18:28.39 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: yeah |
| 18:28.45 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: that page is disabled after the program is over |
| 18:29.17 | DrJoel | So we can't get to the task list to export it? :( |
| 18:29.22 | merwok | Iâm just going to leave that here: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI |
| 18:30.10 | SRabbelier | merwok: the page is there |
| 18:30.17 | SRabbelier | merwok: but access denied |
| 18:30.27 | merwok | Doesnât that amount to the same? |
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| 18:31.04 | abidrahmank | carols: well? |
| 18:31.18 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: not atm |
| 18:31.30 | carols | abidrahmank: im sorry, if you need something from me you'll need to email me, please. i've got about 400 things going on right now. |
| 18:31.37 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: OK.. I will just assume that the task was never finished and redo it |
| 18:31.46 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 18:31.54 | merwok | abidrahmank: People have replied to you that one hour was not a long time at all. |
| 18:32.00 | rbuels | is surprised it's only 400 |
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| 18:32.05 | merwok | offers tea to carols |
| 18:32.10 | carols | thanks merwok |
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| 18:32.25 | |Kev| | hands carols a Round Tuit. |
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| 18:34.07 | abidrahmank | ok. Thank you. |
| 18:37.20 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: thanks :-D |
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| 18:59.56 | nickbarnesccf | We are getting a lot more student interest than I was expecting. How much is normal? |
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| 19:00.19 | nickbarnesccf | I think a certain proportion is just drive-by. |
| 19:00.37 | nickbarnesccf | "Help me get $ from Ggl! kthxbai" |
| 19:00.52 | nickbarnesccf | with some snippets of our ideas page pasted in. |
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| 19:02.18 | eoc | glad we only had one of these so far |
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| 19:02.49 | dhaun | nickbarnesccf: expect more of those once the application deadline is nearing ... |
| 19:04.07 | LetterRip | carols - question for ya - we have external libraries for some things - collada for importing collada files; will be adding libmv for camera tracking; some math solvers - can we have a student do work primarily on that library? ie extend collada library to handle more blender specific features; libmv to handle some 3d features we need; or a math solver to be faster for operations we depend on? |
| 19:04.45 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: Found the email with the link to the task I was looking for and could access that. So this crisis was averted. Would like to get exported list of tasks some time. Thanks again |
| 19:05.42 | nickbarnesccf | But I wasn't expecting to have to pick and choose between really high-quality candidates. |
| 19:06.01 | LetterRip | nickbarnesccf - lots of applicants |
| 19:06.04 | LetterRip | is pretty normal |
| 19:06.24 | LetterRip | yes you do end up having to pick and choose between excellent proposals |
| 19:06.47 | merwok | Oh, I hadnât thought about that yet! Having to choose is a huge responsability. |
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| 19:07.07 | LetterRip | nickbarnesccf: what project? |
| 19:07.16 | nickbarnesccf | Climate Code Foundation. |
| 19:07.47 | nickbarnesccf | We're tiny, and came into GSoC thinking "1 or 2 students". |
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| 19:08.00 | carols | LetterRip: is it a project that will produce open source code and help your org? |
| 19:08.09 | LetterRip | yes |
| 19:08.14 | carols | then great, go for it |
| 19:08.23 | LetterRip | ok that is what i figured |
| 19:08.27 | nickbarnesccf | We've had 30 contacts. |
| 19:08.57 | LetterRip | nickbarnesccf - awesome :) |
| 19:09.25 | nickbarnesccf | Of which 5 or 6 are really excellent, another 10 seem pretty good (but we need more info) and the other half are probably not going to submit a worthwhile proposal. |
| 19:09.31 | LetterRip | i think projects usually get a couple of slots to start with |
| 19:10.09 | LetterRip | yes that is typical - half not worthwhile; a quarter excellent; a quarter good |
| 19:10.17 | nickbarnesccf | ok |
| 19:10.35 | |Kev| | I think a quarter really excellent puts you slightly ahead of the curve, at least in my experience. |
| 19:10.36 | LetterRip | anywho - until the magical day comes you won't have any idea :) |
| 19:10.45 | nickbarnesccf | so we are wondering where we'll get the mentoring resource. |
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| 19:11.01 | LetterRip | nicksbarnesccf - yes mentoring capacity is a key consideration |
| 19:11.11 | nickbarnesccf | we're reaching out to others who can probably help us with that. |
| 19:11.13 | LetterRip | you might only be able to mentor one project |
| 19:11.19 | LetterRip | or two |
| 19:11.30 | nickbarnesccf | I personally am very unlikely to be able to mentor more than one. |
| 19:11.39 | LetterRip | right i meant your organization |
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| 19:12.03 | merwok | Is it even allowed to have more than one mentoree? Sounds difficult. |
| 19:12.15 | LetterRip | merwok - it is allowed afaik, but rare |
| 19:12.24 | nickbarnesccf | I think some people might be well suited to it. |
| 19:12.25 | |Kev| | Yes, but I would strongly strongly advise not to consider it for your first year. |
| 19:12.34 | LetterRip | agreed |
| 19:12.37 | |Kev| | Or your second, for that matter. |
| 19:12.44 | |Kev| | I have done it, and it can be a huuuuge time sink. |
| 19:12.45 | nickbarnesccf | people with experience of management, or (e.g.) of supervising masters students. |
| 19:12.54 | |Kev| | I would only consider it now if they were really outstanding students. |
| 19:12.58 | merwok | I was a student last year and may be a mentor this one, but Iâll also have things to do, you know, like my mastersâ thesis |
| 19:13.09 | LetterRip | kev - yes it depends on how much 'hand holding' the student will need |
| 19:13.24 | |Kev| | nickbarnesccf: Even then, it's a lot of time. Mentoring more than one without your day job's support is non-trivial. |
| 19:13.33 | dhaun | we made that mistake in our first year - 3 mentors, 6 students - don't do it |
| 19:14.30 | |Kev| | nickbarnesccf: If it's your first year, just take it slowly. Better to have just two (or one!) successful student while you learn the ropes. |
| 19:14.53 | nickbarnesccf | quite. |
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| 19:16.07 | LetterRip | and carols - thanks for the quick response :) |
| 19:16.51 | carols | yw |
| 19:16.57 | carols | ducks head back down to work |
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| 19:31.36 | mmadia | hi all |
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| 19:32.14 | mmadia | carols, are you around? |
| 19:32.23 | Nightrose | |Kev|: *lol* @ email |
| 19:32.29 | carols | mmadia: yes, just sequestered with All The Work In The Universe |
| 19:33.06 | |Kev| | Nightrose: That's one of the few finger-alignment-error typos that doesn't show which keyboard layout I use :) |
| 19:33.13 | mmadia | there's a typo in the Organization Specific Flyers ( http://google-summer-of-code.googlecode.com/files/GSOC2011OrgsFlyer.pdf ) -- Haiku is spelled as 'iku' :) |
| 19:33.19 | mmadia | from http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 19:33.25 | carols | that's DrJoel's job :-) |
| 19:33.25 | Nightrose | |Kev|: hehe - tvorak? |
| 19:33.45 | |Kev| | Nightrose: Dvorak, right :) |
| 19:34.24 | brlcad | mmadia: you mean, you're NOT with iku?! |
| 19:34.43 | Nightrose | |Kev|: ah right... - hmmm should try it sometime really |
| 19:34.44 | mmadia | i'm halfway with iku ;) |
| 19:34.55 | brlcad | "it wasn't a mistake" |
| 19:34.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:35.19 | |Kev| | Nightrose: The reaction when a qwerty user tries typing on my machine is amusing, but nothing like as amusing as when a Dvorak user unwittingly uses it. They type, sigh, delete about half what they typed, realise it was right, and then do a double-take as they realise that *yes*, there really are more of us in the world :) |
| 19:35.32 | Nightrose | haha |
| 19:36.21 | Nightrose | i have a netbook with a US keyboard layout since it was a present at a conf and i use it with qwertz layout |
| 19:36.34 | Nightrose | confuses people too |
| 19:36.53 | Nightrose | (sometimes myself :P) |
| 19:36.54 | |Kev| | I like to think of it as 'encrypting my keyboard' |
| 19:36.55 | Mek | I have the reverse :) |
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| 19:37.50 | |Kev| | I switched because I was getting terrible wrist-pain while working on some papers before my thesis, and I thought there was no way I wanted to type a thesis in pain. Seemed to do the trick, haven't had hand-pain typing for years now. |
| 19:37.55 | |Kev| | Well, 'terrible'. |
| 19:38.04 | |Kev| | Sufficiently unpleasant to motivate me to switch. |
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| 19:39.49 | Nightrose | i thankfully never had that problem |
| 19:39.51 | brlcad | mmadia: that's a rather large qr code |
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| 19:40.46 | mmadia | ah. i wasn't sure what would be a reasonable size brlcad. |
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| 19:45.21 | brlcad | mmadia: it's probably not big, just seems that way -- don't usually see them on a sheet of paper :) |
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| 19:46.49 | mmadia | hopefully it'll have a higher geek appeal than tearoffs :) |
| 19:47.00 | brlcad | 1.25"x1.25" is common iirc |
| 19:47.27 | brlcad | perhaps, don't know how many students even know what those are :) |
| 19:47.48 | akashm1990 | most of them participating in GSoC would know what that is |
| 19:47.58 | mmadia | cool. it's 1"x1" |
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| 20:12.22 | bugQ | does faqs#dupes mean two students can work together on a project or that they are allowed to have the same project but can't share code? |
| 20:12.49 | |Kev| | The latter. |
| 20:12.57 | |Kev| | Well, not *strictly* that. |
| 20:13.10 | |Kev| | They may both have the same project and not share code. |
| 20:13.42 | |Kev| | They may have similar projects and share code too, but only providing it is done in such a way that said code is not necessary for either project. |
| 20:14.00 | |Kev| | That is sufficiently hard to do that it pretty much means no code sharing between students. |
| 20:14.09 | bugQ | makes sense |
| 20:15.47 | merwok | Last summer in my group of 5, it happened that one of us depended no code done by another person, especially for tests, it worked well |
| 20:16.22 | merwok | I guess we were an unusual group: our code ended in the real repo each week, it was not hidden in a branch to be merged six months later |
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| 20:16.41 | DrJoel | I like it when a student's project can do that. |
| 20:16.59 | |Kev| | That sounds suspiciously like a group project, though. |
| 20:17.11 | merwok | We have very defined separate tasks |
| 20:17.58 | merwok | The example I was thinking about is that someone had to work on a dependency graph, which was used a month later by someone else to implement conflict resolution and downloading |
| 20:18.13 | |Kev| | Yes, that is a Bad Idea. |
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| 20:18.34 | merwok | Other examples were minor: a new test helper was written by someone and used to make other peopleâs tests more reliable |
| 20:18.41 | |Kev| | The student writing the dependency graph could work much slower than expected, or vanish, or whatever. |
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| 20:32.07 | schumaml | any other orgs experiencing a strange fixation of students on the first - and only the first - idea of their ideas list? |
| 20:33.26 | SRabbelier | schumaml: nope, is it perhaps an easy one? |
| 20:33.39 | SRabbelier | schumaml: wait, wait, yes |
| 20:34.02 | SRabbelier | schumaml: We've had an inproporitionate amount of students inform about the first idea |
| 20:34.16 | SRabbelier | (thought that idea wasn't the first one, but I checked and it is :P) |
| 20:34.24 | drt24 | schumaml: the two students who have contacted me contacted me about the second idea but that idea had more buzzwords ;-) |
| 20:34.25 | Nightrose | fears about the mentor of the first idea on the ideas page of the first org |
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| 20:35.25 | schumaml | we've started to shuffle them |
| 20:35.26 | CrawfordComeaux | schumaml: The 5 that have contacted me so far have shown interest in 3 or 4 of our ideas. One of them is planning to write proposals targeting 4 of the ideas. |
| 20:36.02 | bugQ | schumaml: even better, a little php and you have a randomized page every refresh |
| 20:36.16 | |Kev| | I'm surprised, actually, that we haven't seen more interest for our first idea. |
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| 20:37.05 | bugQ | or just per session so they don't catch on |
| 20:37.43 | CrawfordComeaux | bugQ: that'd be lovely if the two biz types I work with weren't so insistent on using a host w/drag & drop page design features for v1 of the site ;) |
| 20:38.00 | bugQ | ew, I'm sorry |
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| 20:39.01 | CrawfordComeaux | yeah...unfortunately the web designers we paid for the drupal version of the site didn't really deliver a completed solution (partially our fault for not working closer with them to flesh out initial requirements) |
| 20:39.32 | CrawfordComeaux | but once we've got our mentors & students, I'll be able to finish it up :) |
| 20:41.52 | DrJoel | schumaml: I reordered our list after we started getting proposals last year. I think early on list gets hits |
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| 20:58.22 | SRabbelier | schumaml: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=181a9753803c0c0935419183ed0bd1bdf9844dcc&repo=wiki |
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| 21:16.13 | eoc | hehe interesting |
| 21:16.35 | eoc | our first idea was chosen by only one applicant so far, all the others have way more |
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| 21:51.59 | adarshnb | hello people |
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| 21:53.48 | anonymous | is there a problem in registration of mentors? |
| 21:54.26 | Guest91521 | anyone active here? |
| 21:54.43 | carols | Guest91521: yes, we're here. |
| 21:55.04 | Guest91521 | i heard there is a problem in registration of mentors |
| 21:55.23 | Guest91521 | by what time . it will be corrected ..may i know please |
| 21:55.23 | carols | Guest91521: we've stopped it for now in preparation of the new UI launch |
| 21:55.33 | Guest91521 | ohh kk |
| 21:55.37 | Guest91521 | when will it resume? |
| 21:56.14 | Guest91521 | any idea about it sir? |
| 21:56.14 | carols | SRabbelier can tell you |
| 21:56.27 | SRabbelier | hi |
| 21:56.36 | Guest91521 | hello sir |
| 21:56.38 | SRabbelier | Guest91521: we wanted to launch today |
| 21:56.50 | SRabbelier | Guest91521: but it's bedtime for us, and we're a bit hesitant to launch before going to bed ;) |
| 21:57.09 | SRabbelier | Guest91521: (because obviously, the _moment_ we turn in, something will break in new and interesting ways) |
| 21:57.15 | Guest91521 | haha .. so its tomorow then :D .. thanks for the info sir |
| 21:57.19 | |Kev| | Oh, I'm sure no-one has ever suggested that doing an upgrade late on a Friday afternoon was a bad idea. |
| 21:57.23 | SRabbelier | so we're pulling a Duke Nukem and postponing a day :P |
| 21:57.29 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: heheh :P |
| 21:57.32 | |Kev| | s/a day/ 14 years/ |
| 21:57.43 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: heh |
| 21:57.57 | |Kev| | Good luck GSoC 2015 :) |
| 21:58.16 | Guest91521 | why 2015? |
| 21:58.19 | eoc | now you got something wrong, sir :) |
| 21:58.43 | bugQ | lol kev |
| 21:58.43 | |Kev| | Because I typod 2025. |
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| 21:59.58 | Guest91521 | generally how many students are allowed per project? |
| 22:00.05 | carols | Guest91521: one. |
| 22:00.16 | Guest91521 | and how many projects per organisation? |
| 22:00.24 | carols | Guest91521: it depends. |
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| 22:00.55 | Guest91521 | all the ideas which are put up in the organisation's web page are approved ones? |
| 22:01.04 | |Kev| | No. |
| 22:01.30 | Guest91521 | huh |
| 22:01.33 | |Kev| | Sometimes those are wikis, and people may have ideas up there that the org doesn't agree with. (Hopefully temporarily). |
| 22:01.37 | merwok | Ideas are not approved |
| 22:01.58 | merwok | Students have to work on a proposal from a subset of the ideas |
| 22:02.00 | |Kev| | But having a bunch of ideas you want to mentor doesn't mean you'll either have the slots or the students to be able to do so. |
| 22:02.02 | merwok | Proposals get approved |
| 22:02.23 | Nightrose | (or the mentors) |
| 22:02.30 | Guest91521 | nope i am a student |
| 22:02.34 | |Kev| | Or, indeed, the mentors :) |
| 22:02.47 | Guest91521 | and one organisation has put up 5 ideas |
| 22:02.54 | Guest91521 | and i am working on one of them |
| 22:03.05 | Guest91521 | is there a chance that the idea may be rejected by google? |
| 22:03.11 | |Kev| | No. |
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| 22:03.25 | Guest91521 | thanks :D |
| 22:03.30 | |Kev| | Google won't reject the idea, but they may not grant the org enough slots to be able to support it. |
| 22:03.40 | Guest91521 | ohh |
| 22:03.42 | |Kev| | 5 ideas doesn't mean 5 projects. |
| 22:03.48 | mayanks43 | what is the minimum number of slots an org can get? |
| 22:03.51 | Guest91521 | when will google announce the number of slots? |
| 22:03.54 | |Kev| | Orgs have no idea how many students they'll be able to have. |
| 22:03.55 | carols | mayanks43: 1 |
| 22:03.56 | |Kev| | !timeline |
| 22:03.56 | socinfo | |Kev|: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 22:04.10 | mayanks43 | carols: where there orgs with 1 slot last year? |
| 22:04.24 | carols | mayanks43: i don't remember. |
| 22:04.29 | mayanks43 | ok |
| 22:04.53 | Guest91521 | carols : when will google announce the number of slots alloted to a particular organisation? |
| 22:05.02 | |Kev| | Guest91521: See above, I linked the timeline. |
| 22:05.10 | Guest91521 | ohh ok |
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| 22:07.06 | eoc | someone gotta throw this in here http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations ;-) |
| 22:07.15 | Guest91521 | there is nothing specified about the numbe rof slots for a organisation |
| 22:07.18 | Guest91521 | in the timeline |
| 22:07.47 | |Kev| | April 25: |
| 22:07.47 | |Kev| | 19:00 UTC |
| 22:07.47 | |Kev| | Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2011 site. |
| 22:07.56 | dhaun | Guest91521: for that, see the link that eoc just posted |
| 22:07.58 | |Kev| | That's when orgs know for certain how many slots they have. |
| 22:08.35 | |Kev| | (Also, sorry for the unexpected multiline paste) |
| 22:09.47 | socketguru | how do you guys monitor the activity on irc? |
| 22:09.58 | |Kev| | socketguru: hmm? |
| 22:10.06 | socketguru | suppose i am on minix channel... |
| 22:10.39 | socketguru | it's written that if organization is active on irc, then more students might be allocated for projects |
| 22:10.51 | |Kev| | This channel. |
| 22:11.06 | |Kev| | I assume it refers to people being helpful in here, anyway. I don't actually know. |
| 22:11.34 | socketguru | but each org will mostly be active on their irc |
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| 22:13.05 | |Kev| | socketguru: I would assume that every org will be helpful in their own channels, or communications media of choice, yes. |
| 22:13.40 | socketguru | 4) Mailing list and IRC participation. Are you answering student questions non-stop on IRC or providing helpful advice on the mailing lists? If you are, that shows us that you're committed to the success of the program and that you're already highly engaged. Chances are that we'll bump up your allocations if we can. |
| 22:13.49 | socketguru | from above link |
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| 22:14.02 | |Kev| | I knew what you were talking about - I still think it's refering to people being helpful in here. |
| 22:14.10 | socketguru | ok |
| 22:14.26 | |Kev| | Personally, I'm hoping it applies equally to being helpful and making sarcastic remarks, otherwise we're in trouble this year. |
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| 22:14.43 | socketguru | :P |
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| 22:16.29 | LetterRip | carols a quicky question - would this be acceptable usage of the google logo ? http://digitalaphasia.com/images/google2.jpg |
| 22:16.50 | LetterRip | doing a flyer to put on campuses |
| 22:17.14 | carols | LetterRip: why don't you just use the GSoC logo for this year? |
| 22:17.24 | LetterRip | ah good point |
| 22:17.37 | carols | LetterRip: then we dont have to worry about making the trademark lawyers angry |
| 22:17.47 | carols | or whoever gets angry about those things |
| 22:17.53 | LetterRip | is there a logo pic somehwere |
| 22:18.00 | LetterRip | somewhere even |
| 22:18.17 | eoc | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocLogos |
| 22:18.27 | LetterRip | thanks |
| 22:18.31 | eoc | yw ;-) |
| 22:18.33 | |Kev| | Ooh, that's interesting. |
| 22:19.01 | |Kev| | CC Noncommercial being used to advertise projects for which orgs get paid. |
| 22:19.12 | Guest91521 | number of slots depends on number of students apply for a organisation |
| 22:19.15 | eoc | LetterRip: but attention, the 300.200 png is a trojan horse |
| 22:19.21 | eoc | and wa~y bigger :p |
| 22:19.30 | Guest91521 | how do u confirm the proposals are not fale :P |
| 22:19.37 | Guest91521 | fake* |
| 22:19.40 | merwok | Commercial is not incompatible with free software. |
| 22:19.50 | LetterRip | Guest91521: it isn't entirely determined by that |
| 22:20.01 | LetterRip | i'm sure that is just one of many factors |
| 22:20.05 | |Kev| | merwok: No, indeed. That wasn't what I said. |
| 22:20.37 | Guest91521 | aah then its fine :D |
| 22:20.49 | merwok | The noncommercial clause does not bother me because the orgs get paid, but because it makes the logo non-free |
| 22:21.00 | Guest91521 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.00 | Guest91521 | :P |
| 22:21.06 | LetterRip | carols - hmm that is not the most aesthetic logo i've seen :) |
| 22:21.11 | LetterRip | thanks tho |
| 22:21.29 | carols | LetterRip: your comment has been registered with the committee. |
| 22:21.34 | LetterRip | heheh |
| 22:21.47 | LetterRip | i deny i every said it |
| 22:21.51 | LetterRip | ever |
| 22:21.55 | LetterRip | yeesh can't type today |
| 22:22.03 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: what's wrong with the logo? :( |
| 22:22.07 | |Kev| | I quite like it. Tron is cool, the logo reminds me of tron :) |
| 22:22.25 | LetterRip | SRabbelier - difficult to use with anything |
| 22:22.27 | |Kev| | I really should watch the new one one of these days. |
| 22:22.38 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: why? |
| 22:22.39 | eoc | more catchy than last year's for sure, but on your white flyer I see the issue |
| 22:23.27 | LetterRip | SRabbelier - generally when a logo is designed, things like its usage on solid white or solid black background; or in neutral backgrounds; usage at small sizes and large sizes - are all considerations |
| 22:23.41 | LetterRip | that can't be used at anything but fairly large size |
| 22:23.56 | LetterRip | can't work on many backgrounds |
| 22:24.25 | LetterRip | can't be combined easily with other design elements |
| 22:25.01 | SRabbelier | LetterRip: *nod* |
| 22:25.19 | Guest91521 | how to whisper to a user? |
| 22:25.32 | merwok | Come close to them and speak slowly. |
| 22:25.40 | Guest91521 | lol |
| 22:25.42 | merwok | Make sure not to startle them. |
| 22:25.50 | Guest91521 | i meant kind of private message |
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| 22:26.41 | Kilian] | Hello World! |
| 22:26.44 | merwok | It may be considered rude to send private messages without asking. |
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| 22:29.19 | LetterRip | SRabbelier: "The alternative is their [...] 2011 summer of code Logo, which is weighty on the ink and will certainly not have the same appeal in print on bw or toner-photocopy." |
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| 22:29.41 | LetterRip | I'll try inverting it |
| 22:29.57 | Guest91521 | hey LetterRip can you private message me |
| 22:30.27 | LetterRip | yes but unless you are registered you often can't send/recieve them |
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| 22:31.04 | SRabbelier | Guest91521: why do you want to PM anyway? |
| 22:32.14 | LetterRip | he wanted to know the uber secret formula :) |
| 22:32.26 | LetterRip | for gsoc slot allocation |
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| 22:33.25 | carols | chuckles to herself |
| 22:34.03 | LetterRip | i think it also includes -2 for each time you ask :) |
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| 22:46.38 | LetterRip | thanks all, ttyl |
| 22:46.51 | LetterRip | not sure if we will distribute the flyer |
| 22:46.59 | LetterRip | since it might attract more 'noise' |
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| 22:59.27 | kblin | !slots |
| 22:59.27 | socinfo | kblin: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 23:00.39 | kblin | !learn slotformula as secret, I can't tell anyone. |
| 23:00.39 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:00.47 | kblin | !slotformula |
| 23:00.48 | socinfo | kblin: "slotformula" is secret, I can't tell anyone. |
| 23:01.03 | kblin | there, now socinfo knows it |
| 23:01.33 | carols | thanks kblin |
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| 23:02.26 | brlcad | 2 + rand[0,googlerank(org)] |
| 23:02.30 | brlcad | shhh |
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| 23:03.17 | kblin | carols: just goofing around a bit, can't sleep while some reviewers pound the web server I'm trying to publish |
| 23:03.38 | carols | fair enough |
| 23:04.15 | kblin | they could have been nice and waited until I had my computer turned off, but no, they need to start 15 minutes before that |
| 23:04.36 | carols | yeah, sometimes things dont quite work out in our favor, do they? |
| 23:05.38 | kblin | worst part is that the reviewer hit a bug in some obscure code path that I don't understand |
| 23:05.58 | kblin | hopefully the error is drowned in all the results they got :) |
| 23:06.26 | kblin | but that code is too awful to understand on a friday night |
| 23:07.19 | kblin | puts some cake on the table and lounges on the couch |
| 23:07.23 | gevaerts | finally gets home from work :) |
| 23:07.36 | gevaerts | Ah, cake&couch, ideal! |
| 23:08.10 | kblin | :) |
| 23:08.47 | bobbens | !next |
| 23:08.48 | socinfo | bobbens: "next" is March 18-27: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. |
| 23:08.54 | bobbens | mmm |
| 23:08.55 | merwok | eats a biscuit |
| 23:08.57 | bobbens | !timeline |
| 23:08.57 | socinfo | bobbens: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 23:09.06 | merwok | And here I bought that hoping it would last a week. |
| 23:09.55 | kblin | !no |
| 23:09.56 | socinfo | kblin: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 23:10.20 | kblin | merwok: cookies are only a !no away |
| 23:10.26 | gevaerts | !yes |
| 23:10.26 | socinfo | gevaerts: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
| 23:10.46 | gevaerts | prefers cookies that don't exclude extensions :) |
| 23:10.52 | bobbens | I don't know how gsoc does it |
| 23:10.55 | kblin | but that's an additional letter |
| 23:11.03 | bobbens | but every year for some reason or other the application date is awful for me :P |
| 23:11.08 | merwok | But.. cookies! chocolate! |
| 23:11.19 | kblin | more positive message, of course |
| 23:11.20 | gevaerts | kblin: Yes, but you get an extended cookie! |
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| 23:12.05 | merwok | Oh, I used to eat extended cookies |
| 23:12.16 | merwok | I knew this awesome bakery when I was in high school |
| 23:12.30 | kblin | bobbens: we carefully jiggle with the dates until we have the biggest overlap with your calendar |
| 23:12.37 | merwok | After sports, I walked back to the main buildings, eating a cookie as big as my head with a perfectly natural face |
| 23:12.43 | bobbens | kblin: I want to present my thesis on the 5th :) |
| 23:12.57 | merwok | bobbens: Mastersâ? What is it about? |
| 23:13.01 | bobbens | just finished a first rough draft today :P |
| 23:13.19 | bobbens | merwok: "degree", and it's basically about dimensional kinematic synthesis (and some computer vision) |
| 23:13.37 | merwok | Wait, I havenât eaten today, no wonder Iâm hungry |
| 23:13.37 | kblin | bobbens: sick of it yet? |
| 23:13.43 | bobbens | reconstructing accurate hand model using computer image and simple markers on the nails |
| 23:13.52 | bobbens | kblin: it's fun, except the bezout bound is 10^{1058} |
| 23:13.58 | bobbens | so my solver doesn't work |
| 23:14.04 | kblin | ok, then your thesis isn't done yet |
| 23:14.06 | bobbens | as in it finds the wrong solutions (taking 50 hours average to find them) |
| 23:14.15 | bobbens | no, I'm presenting it without a working solver :) |
| 23:14.20 | bobbens | a working solver would be a phd thesis :P |
| 23:14.33 | merwok | Hahaha |
| 23:14.37 | kblin | no, I mean you're not sick of it yet, so you're not done |
| 23:14.46 | bobbens | well I'd like to do a phd about this stuff |
| 23:14.50 | bobbens | and I need to get my degree asap :) |
| 23:15.08 | merwok | I want to do a PhD too, but Iâll take one or two years to do other stuff before that |
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| 23:15.17 | merwok | Too much university ~ |
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| 23:15.18 | bobbens | well I can theoretically start in september |
| 23:15.21 | bobbens | if I had funding :) |
| 23:15.24 | bobbens | which I of course don't :~) |
| 23:15.56 | bobbens | merwok: tell me about it, 6 years to get a bloody degree :P |
| 23:16.11 | bobbens | and outside of spain it's not even master equivalent, they treat it like a bachelor :P |
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| 23:16.27 | kblin | bobbens: I had to wait for three months to get funding for my already approved project |
| 23:16.41 | bobbens | well, I'll have to wait a lot I'm guessing |
| 23:16.45 | bobbens | so I'll just start a master |
| 23:16.57 | bobbens | which I'd need to do anywhere as part of the "formation" part of my phd :) |
| 23:17.25 | bobbens | so a year of pouncing on any funding opportunities and begging at offices while doing a master :) |
| 23:18.04 | kblin | ah, science |
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| 23:18.57 | bobbens | worst case with the master I can beg outside of spain, since they're cutting funding here like crazy |
| 23:19.02 | bobbens | 30% this year, like 15% last year |
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| 23:19.33 | kblin | pro tip: if anonymously peer-reviewing a web-based piece of software, don't enter your university email address if you want to stay anonymous |
| 23:20.00 | bobbens | I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 23:20.25 | kblin | personally, I'd also use tor or somesuch |
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| 23:24.00 | spectei | !timeline |
| 23:24.00 | socinfo | spectei: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
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| 23:39.57 | doit | I am trying to setup a google project for a class I am in. I would like to use google sites, but we need database support. I have seen a few solutions to this, like using zoho.com and embedding the database. Does google have a database app that can be used with google sites? |
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| 23:40.41 | gevaerts | !gsoc |
| 23:40.41 | socinfo | gevaerts: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums |
| 23:41.00 | tensa_zangetsu | lol |
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| 23:41.47 | doit | gevaerts if that is meant for me, do you have a channel I can check? |
| 23:42.23 | gevaerts | doit: sorry, no. All I know is that this channel is about gsoc specifically, not any random google stuff |
| 23:42.47 | doit | gevaerts: thanks |
| 23:43.51 | SRabbelier | doit: there's no #google if that's what you mean |
| 23:43.55 | SRabbelier | doit: but try stackoverflow |
| 23:44.16 | doit | SRabbelier: thanks |
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