| 00:00.04 | brlcad | munches |
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| 00:01.37 | anth_r | carols is fattening us up for something... |
| 00:01.40 | mdc | The idea is that there is a deadline clock for things like submissions, and when it passes and someone tries to submit something the submission is put into a queue and they receive an email saying that their submission/edit is late, and is thus not likely to be accepted. |
| 00:02.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: the clock can be added I suppose |
| 00:02.44 | mdc | This could be extended to provide a text input box for them to give input as to why their submission should be considered, even though it was late. |
| 00:02.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: on the homepage, might make for an ice widget |
| 00:03.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: oh! |
| 00:03.03 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: oh! |
| 00:03.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: yes! |
| 00:03.08 | mdc | Then, when doing the evaluations, the admins can look at that queue last (if at all), and see what's there. |
| 00:03.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: and then we just discard all those! |
| 00:03.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: and always send them a "sorry, your post-deadline application wasn't accepted" message! |
| 00:03.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | that would be awesome |
| 00:03.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | erm, I mean, evil, and dispicable |
| 00:03.39 | mdc | SRabbelier|Lappy: err, "that's one way to go" :) |
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| 00:04.12 | brlcad | there have been instances in the past where the student's late submission was actually the mentor's fault (bad mentor, no donut for them) because they were entirely worked up elsewhere and not copied over in time |
| 00:04.25 | brlcad | though I think those were manually dealt with |
| 00:04.36 | brlcad | after the spanking |
| 00:04.45 | mdc | The idea would be that we (I will help) craft a polite but firm message letting people know that their late submission was not accepted, but we hope they will try again next year. |
| 00:04.54 | ojwb | evil can be awesome too |
| 00:05.11 | mdc | It could in fact be reduced to a button for the admins. |
| 00:05.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: did I hear someone say "Evil Genius"? |
| 00:05.34 | mdc | The "late queue" could be processed pretty fast with these tools :) |
| 00:05.42 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: what makes you think I'm bugging your room? |
| 00:06.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: lol |
| 00:06.03 | mdc | SRabbelier|Lappy: "your humble servant, Sir." :) |
| 00:07.14 | mdc | Suddenly the "late submission queue" becomes less of a chore, and carols can have more chocolate :) |
| 00:07.52 | mdc | What do you think? |
| 00:07.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: or... we can just not implement a late submission queue at all, and have it not be a chore at all? :P |
| 00:08.20 | mdc | SRabbelier|Lappy: That's a way to go, but I think there are advantages to having one. |
| 00:08.46 | ojwb | a simpler version would be to just put the "sorry too late please try next year" message instead of "page not active at this time" |
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| 00:09.26 | mdc | Some actual winning orgs might feel better if they get a letter. The extra bytes won't cost much, and the goodwill generated may be worth a lot in future years. |
| 00:09.46 | mdc | And knowing who they are, and what they were offering might be useful information. |
| 00:09.54 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: we are definitely working on better error messages in the new design |
| 00:10.00 | mdc | Collecting that data is cheap (once the feature is set up) |
| 00:10.02 | Matteius | Hello, I just finished my application for a Mentor organization but the application website has gone down and now there is just a Page Error: This page is inactive at this time. |
| 00:10.13 | Matteius | @ http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org_app/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/orgapp |
| 00:10.22 | ojwb | mdc: I wasn't saying your idea was bad... |
| 00:10.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | another one!! |
| 00:10.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: hi |
| 00:10.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !no |
| 00:10.29 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "no" is no, you cannot have a deadline extension. have a cookie instead. |
| 00:10.33 | mdc | Matteius: Sadly, the window for applications has closed. |
| 00:10.37 | Matteius | I have written the 5 page Application + Wiki document with project ideas |
| 00:10.50 | Matteius | But the website said - March 11th |
| 00:10.53 | Matteius | it is March 11th |
| 00:10.58 | ojwb | at 23:00 UTC |
| 00:11.02 | mdc | Matteius: Unfortunately 23:00 UTC has passed. |
| 00:11.06 | Matteius | I've put a lot of effort into this |
| 00:11.13 | Matteius | is there no way? |
| 00:11.15 | mdc | We understand. |
| 00:11.21 | mdc | Sadly, not this year :( |
| 00:11.29 | mdc | But do save your work. |
| 00:11.36 | mdc | And do come back next year. |
| 00:11.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: perhaps you can ask a umbrella organization to take you in |
| 00:11.43 | Matteius | well this is the year I have to be a mentor |
| 00:11.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: have to be? |
| 00:12.00 | mdc | Matteius: Orgs are always looking for mentors. |
| 00:12.12 | Matteius | for the classcomm.googlecode.com project |
| 00:12.45 | mdc | Matteius: For which org were you doing an organization application? |
| 00:13.11 | Matteius | Classcomm.googlecode.com with the guidence of the University of Illinois NetMath program |
| 00:13.18 | ojwb | SRabbelier|Lappy: I think that's "have" as in "am available" rather than "must" |
| 00:13.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: perhaps you can join under the Django/python umbrella? |
| 00:13.40 | Matteius | How do I find out more? |
| 00:13.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !next |
| 00:13.46 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 00:13.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: see if they're excepted then |
| 00:13.55 | wolfb | Matteius: what is your org? |
| 00:13.57 | mdc | accepted |
| 00:14.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | mdc: yes, pidgin-1 |
| 00:14.14 | mdc | (forgive me, Mom was an English teacher) |
| 00:14.24 | Matteius | see if they're excedpted then? |
| 00:14.32 | gevaerts | mdc: *forgive* you? You should be praised! |
| 00:14.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: yes |
| 00:14.49 | CrawfordComeaux | ok...time for a cigarette and then Austin! |
| 00:14.58 | Matteius | doesn't compute |
| 00:14.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: on the 18th the accepted orgs will be announced |
| 00:15.13 | Matteius | what does that have to do with me? My application fell off the server at the end |
| 00:15.34 | wolfb | Matteius: actually you were just late |
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| 00:15.41 | mdc | Matteius: Your org can be a sub-org of a larger accepted org. |
| 00:15.45 | wolfb | the door was already closed |
| 00:15.46 | Matteius | well at least classcomm allows for late handins |
| 00:15.46 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: what email address should our potential Google references contact you at? |
| 00:16.21 | Matteius | it can be a sub-org of a larger org after the deadline? How do I apply for that |
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| 00:16.37 | wolfb | Matteius: you talk to the other orgs, and see if they have maybe an opening |
| 00:17.05 | wolfb | represents an umbrealla org OSGeo, for instance |
| 00:17.31 | wolfb | also represents a tiny mlm project :D |
| 00:17.35 | Matteius | so an umbrella org may be interested in Django-Classcomm |
| 00:17.36 | homunq | Matteius: it depends on the larger org. In most cases, your chances are very slim. What language is your app written in? Does it use things that might belong to other projects (such as Django)? |
| 00:17.49 | Matteius | Django is a web framework |
| 00:17.59 | Matteius | this is a web application written using Django and other libraries |
| 00:18.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: then, as I said, you can try to get Django to accept you :) |
| 00:18.11 | mdc | Once the accepted orgs are announced on 18 March, you can approach one or more of them and see if they might accept you. |
| 00:18.33 | wolfb | I would start talking today |
| 00:18.49 | Matteius | alright, there will be contact info available? |
| 00:19.10 | mdc | Matteius: I recommend you stay focused and positive, and make a good case for why you would be a good mentoring organization. |
| 00:19.12 | homunq | OK. So, I would say your chances with python as the umbrella are 0, they are interested in things which extend their platform. (I know the process with them, but that knowledge would not help you.) You should talk to Django. |
| 00:19.46 | adam_vollrath | Django is awesome |
| 00:20.22 | Matteius | OK, so it is expected that Django will be an accepted mentoring organization? |
| 00:20.25 | mdc | Matteius: There is a #django IRC channel it seems |
| 00:20.26 | homunq | Matteius: One thing which you could do is offer to be a mentor for Django. |
| 00:20.54 | homunq | Then, you would have some input into what projects Django accepts. |
| 00:21.05 | Matteius | well I was hoping more to pick up an intern interested in extending our existing Django Course Management system Classcomm. |
| 00:21.31 | Matteius | Wouldn't Django be trying to extend the Django framework and less interested in apps? |
| 00:21.43 | homunq | Matteius: Not certain that django will get in, but it would not be a surprise |
| 00:21.43 | ojwb | it's up to django what they will accept projects to do |
| 00:21.43 | mdc | You never know until you ask. |
| 00:22.00 | mdc | Don't limit your universe of possibilities too early :) |
| 00:22.09 | ojwb | some org are very focussed, others think that growing the ecosystem around them helps them too |
| 00:22.34 | homunq | Matteius: You are correct, Django will probably be more interested in things that will benefit more than one ... thing that uses Django. |
| 00:22.43 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: note: GSoC-ers are _not_ interns |
| 00:22.47 | homunq | But that "more than one" could still include you. |
| 00:23.12 | homunq | Don't you have a wish-list of Django features? |
| 00:23.38 | Matteius | less now than I use to, but I'm sure I could come up with one |
| 00:23.58 | Matteius | So if GSoCers are not interns what are tehy? |
| 00:24.26 | wolfb | Matteius: core community members-to-be |
| 00:24.30 | homunq | Well, if you mentor for Django, you might be able to help fulfill that wish-list. That is your best hope right now. |
| 00:24.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: volunteers working on an open source project, that are enabled by Google to volunteer all summer ;) |
| 00:25.13 | wolfb | SRabbelier|Lappy: That is a very nice way to say it |
| 00:25.21 | Matteius | My best hope right now is to get a job that pays money or get features done on Classcomm |
| 00:25.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | wolfb: why thank you, I thought so myself |
| 00:25.26 | Matteius | or go mountain biking |
| 00:25.50 | wolfb | votes for going mountain biking - less stress :D |
| 00:25.53 | Matteius | right, so I wanted to apply to recieve a volunteer |
| 00:26.06 | Matteius | but you are saying that I should volunteer |
| 00:26.22 | Matteius | so I guess I could mentor for Django possibly |
| 00:26.24 | Matteius | ** |
| 00:26.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: well, yes, understandable, but there was a deadline, and it passed |
| 00:26.38 | Matteius | alright, well better luck next time then |
| 00:26.59 | Matteius | thanks for the encouragement anyway |
| 00:27.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Matteius: good luck! |
| 00:27.08 | mdc | Matteius: You're welcome! |
| 00:27.14 | wolfb | best of luck to you |
| 00:28.08 | wolfb | Matteius: the silver lining: applying != getting accepted |
| 00:29.09 | Matteius | I guess I just wanted to write up a Word Document |
| 00:29.15 | Matteius | now I can rid that from my list |
| 00:29.42 | homunq | Matteius: If you had gotten accepted, you and your peeps would have had to do the work of mentoring. So presumably it is not a 180 degree change to do that for Django, and maybe help make it more useful to you. |
| 00:30.17 | eoc | having this year's mentoring experience will surely help if you plan to apply as organization next year indeed |
| 00:30.24 | homunq | Matteius: Remember, if you apply as a mentor with an org, that does not automatically mean you will end up mentoring a project. Only if it's a good fit. |
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| 00:30.41 | homunq | Almost all orgs have more mentors available than projects assigned. |
| 00:31.22 | Matteius | Right, I guess thats what left for me to consider here, I'll have to keep an eye out for that posting. |
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| 00:31.47 | homunq | wolfb: That is not a silver lining. If we go with clouds... silver lining metaphor, that is the ground. Neither cloud nor sky nor lining. |
| 00:32.09 | wolfb | homunq: yup. you ar eright |
| 00:32.39 | Matteius | I have SquirrelMail |
| 00:33.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | On an unrelated, but much more positive note |
| 00:33.24 | gevaerts | cookies? |
| 00:33.28 | eoc | (: |
| 00:33.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | YAY, Delft University of Technology is #49 of the worlds best universities! :D |
| 00:33.45 | carols | refreshes the cookie stash |
| 00:34.01 | gevaerts | Yay, actual real cookies from carols :) |
| 00:34.09 | gevaerts | decides that all is well with the world |
| 00:34.27 | carols | yay :-) |
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| 00:36.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | allright |
| 00:36.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | on that note |
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| 00:36.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | I think I will leave you all to your own devices (literally) |
| 00:37.39 | wolfb | hugs his mac |
| 00:37.52 | wolfb | my preciousssss |
| 00:38.06 | carols | have a good night SRabbelier|Lappy |
| 00:38.42 | carols | i think i'm going to go enjoy tgif as well |
| 00:38.46 | carols | have a nice weekend all |
| 00:38.50 | carols | good luck to all the org apps |
| 00:39.08 | gevaerts | Good luck to you and your sanity when reading it all! :) |
| 00:39.16 | carols | thanks gevaerts. ill need it |
| 00:39.21 | wolfb | good luck carols! |
| 00:39.30 | carols | thanks wolfb :-) |
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| 01:38.05 | David_Honeynet | night all. have fun with reviewing org applications google people :) |
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| 06:07.29 | cosmopolitan | hello |
| 06:07.36 | cosmopolitan | mentors listed in a week :D |
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| 06:08.33 | bilalgce | hello cosmopolitan |
| 06:09.10 | ojwb | mentoring orgs that is |
| 06:09.21 | cosmopolitan | yep |
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| 06:10.39 | bilalgce | how could I find mentors? |
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| 06:56.46 | rohitvvv | In the gsoc timeline it is mentioned participants will discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. Does it mean Project Ideas ? |
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| 07:53.10 | Bharat_ | \ns help |
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| 07:57.56 | Bharat_ | hi i am new to open source and want to work on some intersting projects, i know of, i tried to contact them with no reply till now. what should i do |
| 07:59.02 | Ivanovic | being patient is often a good solution |
| 07:59.21 | Ivanovic | eg irc is not always instantaneous |
| 07:59.31 | Ivanovic | it is likely to take some hours to get a reply |
| 08:00.08 | Bharat_ | thanks for reply, but i actually mailed them, and they do not know me, i am really intersted in developing HIPO |
| 08:01.07 | Bharat_ | i am not able to find the irc nick of maintainer so i mailed them |
| 08:01.33 | cosmopolitan | join the chat channel and ask in there |
| 08:02.33 | thiago_home | when did you mail them? |
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| 08:05.17 | Bharat_ | nearly 5 to 6 days ago, i know it's bit early but i need to know as early as possible where to start on developing , and it is first time i am using irc even, on my some good open source friend |
| 08:05.46 | thiago_home | find the code, do what you want to do |
| 08:05.50 | thiago_home | don't expect to be told what to do |
| 08:07.13 | pygi | ya, that is not how foss works :P |
| 08:07.18 | pygi | you have to push yourself most of the time :P |
| 08:07.59 | Bharat_ | ok |
| 08:10.43 | Bharat_ | actually i downloaded the code, i am not getting much of it, so i thought as my friend said you can connect them on irc and just get started ,any way just thanks for response() |
| 08:11.05 | Ivanovic | Bharat_: then ask explicit questions |
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| 08:11.23 | Bharat_ | ok |
| 08:11.23 | Ivanovic | stuff like "i want to do XYZ, where in the code should i look for implementing this?" |
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| 08:45.55 | coder119 | hey is thr sth you can do before gsoc |
| 08:46.21 | kblin | !before |
| 08:46.24 | kblin | durn |
| 08:46.43 | coder119 | for ensuring thata you are selected |
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| 08:46.57 | kblin | coder119: yes, you can get in touch with orgs you're interested in and get started wor... |
| 08:47.08 | kblin | meh |
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| 08:48.32 | kblin | !learn before as You can get in touch with the mentoring orgs you're interested in and get involved even before the application period starts. |
| 08:48.32 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:48.37 | |Kev| | kblin: I get really frustrated with that :( |
| 08:49.51 | kblin | |Kev|: of course someone in such a hurry that he can't afford to type the es in there can't be expected to wait a minute for an answer |
| 08:50.07 | kblin | !leet |
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| 08:50.41 | |Kev| | ?learn leet as No, just No. |
| 08:50.50 | |Kev| | :) |
| 08:51.17 | |Kev| | Not that I suspect it'd listen to someone without a croissant anyway, but just in case... |
| 08:52.26 | kblin | !learn leet as Please try and write proper English even on IRC. A lot of people get really annoyed by it, and it makes communication harder for no real gain. |
| 08:52.27 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:52.41 | kblin | actually it does, you just need to use ! not ? :) |
| 08:52.48 | |Kev| | That was why I used ? :) |
| 08:52.58 | kblin | I figured |
| 08:53.33 | kblin | but in general, the idea is to allow people to add factoids even if there's no op around. there's a lot of regulars who aren't ops |
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| 08:54.18 | |Kev| | Seems sensible. |
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| 09:08.09 | nickon | !next |
| 09:08.09 | socinfo | nickon: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
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| 09:09.15 | mayanks43 | waits for !next :) |
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| 09:58.45 | jlawall | hello, because I didn't understand how the application site worked, I ended up submitting my application twice. Is there any way to get rid of one of them? |
| 09:59.06 | kblin | jlawall: talk to the #melange folks |
| 09:59.11 | jlawall | ok, thanks |
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| 11:11.33 | tty1 | man im nervous... hope my organization gets accepted :) |
| 11:12.38 | socketguru | give me link of ur org page |
| 11:13.00 | socketguru | tty1: link plz |
| 11:13.00 | tty1 | socketguru, wiki.syncleus.com |
| 11:13.03 | socketguru | k |
| 11:13.19 | tty1 | socketguru, check out dANN project specifically, also we have #dANN on freenode here if you want to find us in an IRC room |
| 11:14.11 | socketguru | ok |
| 11:14.32 | mayanks43 | AI!! |
| 11:14.41 | tty1 | mayanks43, yup, all AI :) |
| 11:15.54 | socketguru | project is good. but i have less interest in AI |
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| 11:16.23 | tty1 | socketguru, its pretty difficult stuff, not everyones cup of tea |
| 11:16.32 | mayanks43 | great!! I am currently doing a course in graph theory |
| 11:16.41 | mayanks43 | though not really AI |
| 11:16.51 | tty1 | mayanks43, ahh yea all our stuff is fundementally based on graph theory |
| 11:17.10 | tty1 | mayanks43, yea graph theory isnt technically AI by itself, but it is critical for how we represent our ai algorithms and data |
| 11:17.27 | mayanks43 | ok |
| 11:18.16 | socketguru | tty1: hey u dont know if it's my cup of tea or not....because i haven't started focus in AI.... |
| 11:18.33 | socketguru | anyways appreciate your views |
| 11:18.37 | tty1 | socketguru, you just said you werent interested in it, which is the only reason i said that |
| 11:18.50 | socketguru | ya |
| 11:19.03 | socketguru | right now I am much into other stuff |
| 11:19.11 | tty1 | awesome |
| 11:19.21 | socketguru | like network programming and OS system programming |
| 11:20.36 | mayanks43 | tty1: I'll try applying if you are selected :) |
| 11:20.38 | tty1 | socketguru, yea i did a lot of that before, in fact our AI gframework were working on for 3.0 is a internet distributed AI framework (A cloud specific to AI). so its pretty heavy on the network side, we go pretty low level too with hermes (our first level of abstraction, its own library, for the communications layer) |
| 11:20.55 | tty1 | mayanks43, awesome, well i guess we will know soon if we are accepted |
| 11:21.06 | mayanks43 | yup just 1 week ;) |
| 11:21.19 | tty1 | mayanks43, as i mentioned to socketguru, feel free to idle in #dANN if youd like. its fairly active on this server |
| 11:21.26 | mayanks43 | cool |
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| 12:44.45 | nickon | hey tty1 |
| 12:45.03 | nickon | just read you are an AI organisation that signed up for GSoC!? |
| 12:45.27 | tty1 | nickon, hi |
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| 12:45.33 | tty1 | nickon, yup we are |
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| 12:47.02 | nickon | just read some stuff on the link (wiki) you just pasted here |
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| 12:47.38 | nickon | dANN seems to be your "core" project is that right ? |
| 12:48.07 | tty1 | nickon, that would be fairly accurate right now |
| 12:48.17 | nickon | do you have a list somewhere of project proposals for students ? |
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| 12:56.16 | nickon | tty1? |
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| 13:03.36 | fryday | Can I anywhere look last gsoc students proposals? |
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| 13:04.09 | socketguru | i dont think its provided by googlw |
| 13:04.24 | socketguru | if you know any student then you may get |
| 13:04.45 | dhaun | fryday: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#student_app |
| 13:04.48 | schumaml | well, if any students put theirs online, then google may know about it |
| 13:04.57 | dhaun | it actually links to example in the GSoC student guide |
| 13:05.08 | schumaml | e.g. by searching for "gsoc application student" |
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| 13:06.14 | ojwb | there are definitely quite a few past student proposals online, but you'll probably just have to search for them |
| 13:07.11 | fryday | I found links only on sample proposals) |
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| 13:09.35 | m1k3y | hmm |
| 13:10.03 | m1k3y | is there anyway i can find out the names/a list of orgs that have applied for GSoC this year? |
| 13:10.13 | m1k3y | by the time the list will be out it'll be too late |
| 13:10.37 | m1k3y | i mean students need more time to narrow down on their choice of orgs |
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| 13:10.49 | dhaun | there is no way to get the exact list now |
| 13:10.52 | m1k3y | and then get to know the mentors and kind of projects |
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| 13:11.13 | dhaun | you have two weeks for your application - that should be plenty of time, no? |
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| 13:11.31 | |Kev| | Although you can just check last year's list, find some orgs that sound interesting, and ask if they've applied. |
| 13:11.41 | |Kev| | Knowing that they've applied doesn't mean they'll get in, though. |
| 13:11.41 | m1k3y | just 10 days to choose an org, and draft an application |
| 13:11.51 | m1k3y | yeah |
| 13:12.11 | m1k3y | well you also need to talk to mentors |
| 13:12.24 | m1k3y | hmm |
| 13:13.14 | ojwb | fryday: http://www.google.co.nz/search?q="my+gsoc+application" finds some |
| 13:13.45 | ojwb | top couple of hits were at least, i didn't check any further |
| 13:14.03 | ojwb | but use past examples for inspriation, don't copy wholesale |
| 13:16.14 | |Kev| | m1k3y: Well, there's a number of potential mentors in here, as well. |
| 13:16.27 | |Kev| | Not that I suggest you start the "Is there anyone from project X here?" dance. |
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| 13:16.52 | m1k3y | i see. |
| 13:17.28 | |Kev| | If I were you, and I wanted a headstart, I'd look at last year's list. Find some you're interested in (orgs, I mean), go talk to them and see if they've got ideas pages, look at those, etc. |
| 13:17.41 | m1k3y | <|Kev|>: btw your nick is like hell to autocomplete |
| 13:17.55 | |Kev| | k<tab> |
| 13:17.59 | |Kev| | Works for me :) |
| 13:18.03 | m1k3y | doesnt work on my client |
| 13:18.39 | |Kev| | To be fair, it wouldn't work in my XMPP client either, but people don't generally have to do silliness like this on XMPP. |
| 13:19.06 | m1k3y | it should work on irssi though |
| 13:19.08 | |Kev| | I just assume everyone on IRC uses irssi :) |
| 13:19.11 | m1k3y | im using textual atm |
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| 13:20.10 | m1k3y | btw ive been working on android apps these last few months |
| 13:20.33 | m1k3y | and would love to do some more work on Android as a part of SoC |
| 13:21.00 | m1k3y | i see that last year a few orgs posted Android apps in their suggested ideas list |
| 13:21.32 | m1k3y | aren't orgs applying to GSoC required to submit some kind of report after the projects are over? |
| 13:21.36 | ojwb | |<tab> works for me |
| 13:21.43 | |Kev| | m1k3y: They are. |
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| 13:22.01 | |Kev| | Submitted to Google, though, they're not required to make them public. |
| 13:22.06 | m1k3y | oh |
| 13:22.08 | m1k3y | hm |
| 13:22.34 | |Kev| | I doubt many students would unconditionally accept their reports being made public :) |
| 13:22.36 | m1k3y | because i was thinking i could propose to an org that i extend somebody's last year gsoc project |
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| 13:22.54 | m1k3y | but how do i do that if i dont know its status |
| 13:23.05 | m1k3y | whether it was completed or not |
| 13:23.10 | |Kev| | Well, you know if the code's been integrated. |
| 13:23.21 | |Kev| | Why would one care if the code was originally done as part of GSoC or not? |
| 13:23.39 | m1k3y | you're missing the point |
| 13:23.45 | |Kev| | Yes, that's why I asked :) |
| 13:23.54 | m1k3y | i dont know if the project was taken up at all |
| 13:24.07 | m1k3y | an org posted an Android app as a suggested idea last year |
| 13:24.14 | |Kev| | You mean there is a specific project that you'd like to extend? |
| 13:24.17 | m1k3y | i want to know if somebody did it |
| 13:24.19 | |Kev| | Right. |
| 13:24.24 | |Kev| | Then ask the org :) |
| 13:24.30 | m1k3y | otherwise i might want to do it this year |
| 13:24.36 | m1k3y | right |
| 13:25.00 | |Kev| | But you should be able to find out anyway, these things are usually fairly public. |
| 13:25.18 | |Kev| | Asking is sensible, though. Early exposure to orgs is good. |
| 13:28.47 | m1k3y | |Kev|: this is early? |
| 13:28.55 | m1k3y | |Kev|: i was worried i might be late |
| 13:29.00 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 13:29.13 | HerraBRE | Do the announcements about accepted orgs come all at once on the 18th? |
| 13:29.32 | m1k3y | yup |
| 13:29.36 | |Kev| | m1k3y: It's too late at the point at which we're judging applications (IMO) - at that point any student that hasn't been in contact has a big black mark. |
| 13:29.38 | m1k3y | HerraBRE: a list is released |
| 13:30.10 | HerraBRE | gets ready to hold his breath for six whole days. :) |
| 13:30.14 | |Kev| | m1k3y: Prior to that, as long as there have been good discussions with the student, it's a good thing. It doesn't really matter if they're today, or the day before apps are submitted. |
| 13:30.56 | |Kev| | From my point of view, I want to know that students are competent, can communicate well and are enthusiastic about the project. I don't care when in advance I know that, as long as it's in advance. |
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| 13:31.37 | |Kev| | Of course, unless you're applying to the XSF, what I think doesn't matter much :) |
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| 13:40.54 | fryday | ojwb: Thanks. I only want to have more than 2 sample structure :) |
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| 13:54.04 | iamsumesh | Hi |
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| 14:19.19 | ferrouswheel | I think my favourite question for the day is "what is linux?" ;-) |
| 14:20.36 | Lennie | Can one really answer that question with so many distributions and ideas on Linux around? |
| 14:20.58 | telkkar | Freedom |
| 14:21.36 | mayanks43 | laughs |
| 14:23.59 | techrascal | linux is whatever u want to make it |
| 14:24.16 | Lennie | Can we then not compare Linux to life? |
| 14:24.25 | Lennie | Since life is what you make of it :P |
| 14:24.44 | fryday | linux is very practical tool |
| 14:24.55 | Lennie | (just trying to top ferouswheel his favorite question of the day ^^) |
| 14:25.24 | Lennie | practical in what sense? Sure it gives the user raw power but not everyone is able to wield it |
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| 14:26.38 | wolfb | Linux is an operating system kernel |
| 14:27.04 | wolfb | nothing more, nothing less ;) |
| 14:27.17 | Lennie | :) |
| 14:27.37 | Lennie | Back to coding it is |
| 14:29.12 | fryday | Lennie: Hmm, I am not able to use all power of linux. For me is practical as stable home OS without unnecassary thingies |
| 14:31.02 | tty1 | nickon, im sorry iw as distracted, still around? |
| 14:33.38 | tty1 | nickon, to answer your question, yes we have an ideas page but right now it is draft/notes and we will finalize it by the end of the day |
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| 14:34.12 | tty1 | nickon, for now youll have to just use http://wiki.syncleus.com/index.php/dANN and #dANN for info until the ideas page is ready |
| 14:34.16 | Lennie | Is someone from the ASF around here who knows how they usually divide their slots? |
| 14:34.25 | tty1 | nickon, but your welcome to keep an eye on it till its done |
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| 14:40.36 | tty1 | can anyone point me to a good ideas page for an organization that is already complete.. so i can get some idea as to some of the information it needs to have nad how much detail? |
| 14:41.07 | titankiller | any haiku enthusiasts around? |
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| 14:41.40 | thiago_home | tty1: it's never complete |
| 14:41.47 | thiago_home | tty1: so look at last years' ideas page |
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| 14:42.15 | tty1 | thiago_home, i just want a sense of one that is good enough to get accepted into GSoC so id rather have one at this stage rather than last years |
| 14:42.25 | ojwb | tty1: you're leaving it a bit late to put it together - carols said they were starting to review earlier today |
| 14:42.40 | tty1 | ojwb, the timeline claims they wont beging review till monday |
| 14:42.47 | ojwb | knows that |
| 14:42.56 | thiago_home | they can start sooner |
| 14:42.58 | ojwb | but I'd trust what carols said over what that said |
| 14:43.06 | tty1 | March 14-17: |
| 14:43.07 | thiago_home | your ideas page should be ready by the time you submit your application |
| 14:43.08 | tty1 | Google program administrators review organization applications. |
| 14:43.11 | tty1 | thats what it said :( |
| 14:43.41 | tty1 | darn second year in a row their timeline was inaccurate. well atleast we have one up just need to improve it so maybe it wont hurt us |
| 14:43.47 | tty1 | we had one up fromt he application deadline |
| 14:43.50 | tty1 | just needs more info |
| 14:44.32 | thiago_home | tty1: it's ok that it isn't perfect |
| 14:44.41 | thiago_home | it just needs to be there and showing that you're putting an effort |
| 14:44.53 | tty1 | thiago_home, yea but look at ours... http://wiki.syncleus.com/index.php/dANN:Roadmap .. not really acceptrable IMO, what do you think? |
| 14:45.18 | thiago_home | tty1: if you don't think it's acceptable, why do you ask me? |
| 14:45.23 | thiago_home | tty1: work to make it acceptable :-) |
| 14:45.40 | tty1 | thiago_home, i am, just wanted some feedback so i could access if the google admins would find it acceptable or not |
| 14:45.57 | ojwb | would say it needs more detail |
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| 14:46.13 | tty1 | ojwb, exactly |
| 14:46.27 | thiago_home | tty1: look at other orgs are doing |
| 14:46.31 | thiago_home | tty1: or what they did last year |
| 14:46.38 | ojwb | probably the most common feedback last year was that they liked to see potential mentors alongside each idea |
| 14:46.44 | tty1 | thiago_home, is there a list of current orgs idea pages? i didnt think they released that till after they got accepted |
| 14:47.03 | ojwb | tty1: google will find plenty |
| 14:47.07 | thiago_home | tty1: there isn't for current ones. |
| 14:47.09 | Lennie | Well a lot of the orgs from last year apply this year as well |
| 14:47.13 | thiago_home | tty1: but the past years' is available |
| 14:47.29 | Lennie | and those from the past should still be available as well |
| 14:47.34 | tty1 | thiago_home, last years though show the final incarnation fo the ideas page, not their state at the time of being accepted by google, which may be a big difference |
| 14:47.35 | Lennie | !ideas |
| 14:47.42 | Lennie | No bot :(? |
| 14:47.50 | schumaml | tty1: http://gimp-wiki.who.ee/index.php?title=Hacking:GSoC_2011/Ideas |
| 14:47.54 | ojwb | lennie: it ignore factoids it doesn't know |
| 14:47.57 | ojwb | or at least seems to |
| 14:47.59 | mmadia | !next |
| 14:48.00 | socinfo | mmadia: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 14:48.02 | ojwb | i think that's a change |
| 14:48.11 | thiago_home | tty1: the point is that you have to strive to that goal |
| 14:48.14 | mmadia | Lennie, maybe socinfo doesn't know 'ideas' yet. |
| 14:48.22 | Lennie | So we do still have the bot, awesome |
| 14:48.24 | thiago_home | tty1: and you can probably find this year's ideas page next to last year's for those orgs |
| 14:48.44 | tty1 | thiago_home, i agree, and we are trying to.. im just trying to access our chances |
| 14:48.50 | arbu | ours is at http://wiki.openclonk.org/w/GSoC2011Ideas - we are applying the first time this year though |
| 14:49.04 | schumaml | project name, category, mentor, abstract and requirements is quite useful |
| 14:49.24 | Lennie | +1 schumaml |
| 14:49.49 | ojwb | put yourself in the place of a student who knows little to nothing about your project and wants to write a proposal |
| 14:49.52 | Lennie | It might be nice to define what skills a student should have if he wants to attempt it |
| 14:50.08 | ojwb | you can expect them to do some research of their own, but you need to give them places to start |
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| 14:50.20 | tty1 | thanks guys this is useful |
| 14:51.14 | schumaml | it can be a good idea to let the potential mentors write the project descriptions |
| 14:51.50 | kasun | tty1, have you seen this? https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgfaVN-Bzcp0dDNkS1ZETEU0UzVlYmNVTFdpaW4zZXc&hl=en#gid=0 |
| 14:51.55 | fryday | tty1: GIMP ideas and requirements is clear for me. I think they use good list structure |
| 14:52.30 | tty1 | kasun, no i didnt thanks |
| 14:53.06 | fryday | kasun, wow/ thanks |
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| 14:53.45 | ojwb | tty1: also, see: http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/making-your-ideas-page/ |
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| 14:54.22 | tty1 | ojwb, awesome thanks |
| 14:54.39 | dhaun | it may be a little late to work on your idea pages right now ... |
| 14:54.56 | kasun | tty1, fryday welcome, and add idea pages of missing orgs there if you can... :) |
| 14:56.11 | tty1 | kasun is there a benefit to adding it there? |
| 14:56.37 | HerraBRE | dhaun: Even if it's already been reviewed by Google, improving it for students still makes sense. :) |
| 14:56.39 | tty1 | dhaun, why do you say its late? they arent supposed to be officially begining review until the 14th, even if they started today if we finish it in the next hour it isnt likely to hurt us much unless they already pass us up? |
| 14:56.44 | HerraBRE | ... and it probably hasn't been reviewed by G anyway. |
| 14:56.57 | Lennie | Assumptions are awesome |
| 14:57.08 | Lennie | Just make it better for your potential students as said |
| 14:57.13 | tty1 | HerraBRE, yea we would improve it if we get in regardless, im just freaking out because they seemt o be reviewing them several days earlier than they said |
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| 14:57.19 | Lennie | Even if you are not excepted it would still help |
| 14:57.23 | dhaun | tty1: Carol said something like that they would start reviewing idea lists immediately after the org submission deadline and all weekend |
| 14:57.26 | Lennie | since people that are interested in your project might want to help out |
| 14:57.44 | kasun | well, that's one way to reach to students. there's 13 people viewing it currently, which good at this point of timeline |
| 14:58.18 | tty1 | dhaun, yea thats a shame so im gonna try to bust my butt on this now |
| 14:58.35 | kasun | tty1, It was discussed in the gsoc-discuss list, that's where I found it. |
| 14:58.51 | tty1 | kasun ahh cool |
| 14:59.12 | dhaun | tty1: well, the idea list is part of the application, so it follows that it should be ready at the application deadline ... |
| 14:59.45 | dhaun | good luck anyway :) |
| 15:00.09 | tty1 | dhaun, yea but i was going by the official timeline rather than assuming.. which is why i focused on making our application really good and only a stub for the ideas page with the intent we would work on and finish the ideas page by the 14th. |
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| 15:18.24 | brlcad | titankiller: yep |
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| 15:19.10 | titankiller | brlcad : worked on it before ? |
| 15:19.16 | brlcad | yep |
| 15:20.04 | titankiller | good . I just wanted know the level of expertise wanted to work on that project |
| 15:20.27 | brlcad | it's a very wide range of skills -- have you read their ideas list yet? |
| 15:20.45 | titankiller | Yes . I've |
| 15:21.07 | titankiller | thot i'd work on the fs project they've given |
| 15:21.50 | titankiller | i really wanted to work something on kernel to the core programming |
| 15:22.52 | titankiller | brlcad: How'ss the community in therre / |
| 15:22.54 | titankiller | ? |
| 15:23.23 | titankiller | like the irc is not a crowded place |
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| 15:24.15 | brlcad | titankiller: the community is great, the devs are patient and very easy to work with |
| 15:24.45 | brlcad | you'll get used to irc with time, lots of core devs are there |
| 15:25.31 | brlcad | just have to be patient because helping you isn't necessarily their top priority ;) but most are quite willing and happy to if you're patient |
| 15:26.14 | titankiller | Maybe i's too hasty on judging :-) |
| 15:26.54 | titankiller | any links/resources before i start working on haiku kernel ? (not on their website) |
| 15:27.49 | brlcad | not really, at least not without knowing your background with haiku and/or beos |
| 15:28.34 | brlcad | maybe tannenbaum's operating systems book ;) |
| 15:28.38 | titankiller | i"m a linux kernel guy who wants a wrestle with haiku |
| 15:29.55 | titankiller | tats a book common to all. I've it . Nothing specific to haiku . Or should i start with the code on the go |
| 15:30.35 | brlcad | yeah, I mean just as a general ref on fundamental concepts |
| 15:30.42 | mmadia | 's eyes peek at the mention of Haiku |
| 15:30.49 | brlcad | you have or have read the old be books? |
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| 15:31.00 | brlcad | the be book and the kernel kit |
| 15:31.13 | brlcad | http://cvincent.pagesperso-orange.fr/bebook/The%20Kernel%20Kit/index.html |
| 15:31.24 | brlcad | howdies mmadia |
| 15:31.43 | mmadia | hi brlcad , titankiller, * |
| 15:32.32 | titankiller | i've. It sounds like tats my bible for next 4 months :) |
| 15:32.33 | brlcad | titankiller: being familiar with the kernel kit api is probably the only thing from outside/before that would be useful to understand since it has a long of the core structure and philosophies embedded |
| 15:32.51 | brlcad | s/long/lot/ |
| 15:33.05 | titankiller | hi mmadia |
| 15:33.08 | titankiller | ? |
| 15:34.11 | brlcad | he's one of the haiku devs ;) |
| 15:34.39 | greedo | brlcad howdy |
| 15:34.49 | brlcad | howdy greedo |
| 15:35.05 | greedo | maybe an Aggie |
| 15:36.10 | titankiller | aha . there're lots around . |
| 15:36.33 | greedo | good to know |
| 15:37.19 | greedo | how do ya'll feel about C++0x? |
| 15:38.55 | gevaerts | It's still C++ |
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| 15:40.30 | greedo | true |
| 15:40.57 | gevaerts | Which means I don't care :) |
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| 15:41.36 | brlcad | changes that should have been made 10 years ago, otherwise feels fine |
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| 15:46.03 | tty1 | lol im getting nerrvous about our ideas page, but seems that is a good thing :) its making progress. lol. Always worked best under pressure |
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| 15:58.45 | fryday | tty1, Now it looks better than a hour ago ^) |
| 15:59.23 | tty1 | fryday, thanks, yea bursting butt to get this looking decent fast |
| 16:00.01 | tty1 | fryday, there seems to be a lot of interest from students regarding AI companies. which is pretty cool! i hope we get in, i look forward to working with them. |
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| 16:00.59 | AmineKhaldi | hello folks |
| 16:01.01 | tty1 | are organizations allowed to extend offers to students who participate through GSoC for employment? |
| 16:01.28 | HerraBRE | Why would that not be allowed? |
| 16:01.41 | tty1 | HerraBRE, no idea, rules can be weird sometimes |
| 16:02.04 | tty1 | HerraBRE, maybe because they dont want larger companies to "Bribe" studendts to work ontheir project leaving out the companies without openings? |
| 16:02.39 | HerraBRE | Heh. I hope they don't hold it against me that in our application we said that finding potential future employees was part of our motivation for taking part. :-) |
| 16:03.07 | HerraBRE | we can't afford to hire now, but someday that would be nice. |
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| 16:03.17 | tty1 | HerraBRE, i hope not too, as if it is allowed my own company would like to do the same (we often get most of our employees and contractors through opensoruce volunteers) |
| 16:04.12 | HerraBRE | ah well, we'll see. I'm not getting my hopes up about being accepted, PageKite is such a new project they'll probably tell us to try again next year. |
| 16:05.05 | tty1 | HerraBRE, from what ive been hearing the older more established projects seemt o get preference |
| 16:05.15 | HerraBRE | that's what the FAQ says :) |
| 16:05.59 | HerraBRE | Small projects probably seem riskier. But on the other hand, the potential impact a student can have is also much larger on a small project. |
| 16:06.10 | HerraBRE | Which should count for something. |
| 16:06.26 | tty1 | HerraBRE, i guess their worried about efforts going to waste, a small project might not exist in a year |
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| 16:07.20 | HerraBRE | Maybe, or maybe they just want to be sure the project has resources to actually take good care of a student. |
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| 16:09.43 | tty1 | HerraBRE, that too is likely a concern |
| 16:09.50 | tty1 | HerraBRE, there are really many reasons they might do that |
| 16:10.16 | HerraBRE | yeah, I don't object to it. I just hope they like us anyway. :) |
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| 16:10.22 | ramnes | hi |
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| 16:20.47 | tty1 | HerraBRE, best of luck, i do hope so |
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| 16:46.54 | titankiller | just curious : What happens wen i apply to two different org ? Will i get selected in both ,in case or is there a rule that says not to be ? |
| 16:47.18 | MatthewWilkes | titankiller: If both want you they decide between themselves which one gets you |
| 16:47.28 | MatthewWilkes | They will usually follow your wishes if you express them |
| 16:48.14 | titankiller | Put short , can;t work on two at the same time |
| 16:48.57 | dberkholz | nope. each project is expected to be full-time work |
| 16:50.22 | titankiller | Gud |
| 16:50.26 | tty1 | what determines how many students a particular organization can have? |
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| 16:51.31 | mayanks43 | Google allots you keeping in mind the number of applications you receive (as in popularity) |
| 16:51.41 | dberkholz | in large part, how many applications they get. with some variation based on past performance, etc |
| 16:51.49 | MatthewWilkes | and how many you want |
| 16:52.09 | MatthewWilkes | For example, last year we asked for 5, we got 5, the year before we asked for 8, we got 7 (iirc) |
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| 16:58.21 | ihalip | !next |
| 16:58.21 | socinfo | ihalip: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
| 16:58.25 | ihalip | !timeline |
| 16:58.25 | socinfo | ihalip: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 16:58.33 | dberkholz | right. essentially, the minimum of (a) some ratio of total proposals to your org and (b) requested slots |
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| 18:55.18 | volton | Hi, will it be possible to submit proposals for the Android project in this year's GSOC? |
| 18:56.38 | raulk | Volton : Absolutely yes |
| 18:56.56 | dhaun | volton: depends on whether Android will take part |
| 18:57.09 | |Kev| | dhaun: That's not strictly true, is it? |
| 18:57.12 | raulk | Volton : better wait for the final list |
| 18:57.17 | volton | raulk: That's great, Ive not seen any student projects for Android in 2010 and 2009, that's wy I was worried |
| 18:57.33 | |Kev| | It depends whether an accepted org is interested in mentoring a project involving Android. |
| 18:57.43 | |Kev| | Oh, well, ok. I may have misunderstood. |
| 18:57.50 | |Kev| | Projects on Android itself, yes. |
| 18:58.12 | volton | Yeah, I want to work on the Android platform itself |
| 18:58.14 | raulk | Volton : Get in touch with android guyz as soon as possbile |
| 18:58.41 | raulk | Any one thinkin of doin KDE projects this summer |
| 18:58.44 | volton | raulk: I sure will :-) |
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| 19:01.15 | volton | So I think the best way is to contact an Android community advocate and have him refer me to the right people? |
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| 19:02.16 | tty1 | volton, is android platform itself opensource fully? |
| 19:02.29 | volton | tty1: sure it is |
| 19:02.42 | tty1 | volton, what license is it may ia sk? |
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| 19:04.07 | volton | tty1: Apache 2.0 and GPLv2 according to Wikipedia |
| 19:04.20 | |Kev| | Android is mostly opensource, as I understand it. |
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| 19:04.25 | tty1 | volton, interesting, someone told me it was only partly opened but maybe they were wrong |
| 19:04.28 | |Kev| | The core is, but all the applications on top aren't. |
| 19:04.30 | volton | tty1: Not everything you see on an Android phone is free tho |
| 19:04.32 | |Kev| | Is my limited understanding. |
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| 19:04.37 | tty1 | oh naturally |
| 19:04.40 | tty1 | that much id expect |
| 19:04.47 | tty1 | even linux is that way |
| 19:04.47 | raulk | Volton : Do u wanna contribute to android development or an android app as a project |
| 19:04.49 | |Kev| | So you can't actually *use* Android opensource. |
| 19:05.02 | |Kev| | Not if you want to SMS and the like. |
| 19:05.05 | volton | The Market is not free as far as I know |
| 19:05.28 | volton | raulk: I want to contribute to android development |
| 19:05.46 | tty1 | |Kev|, nothing stoping someone from implementing the non-opensource stuff as a open-source replacement though |
| 19:05.55 | tty1 | |Kev|, like if sms app isnt there, just write one |
| 19:06.56 | |Kev| | Sure, and there's nothing stopping someone writing an open-source Windows :) |
| 19:07.04 | |Kev| | (And I assume that effort is still ongoing) |
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| 19:09.57 | volton | raulk: Are you involved with the summer of code? |
| 19:10.51 | CarsonLynn | hey, does anyone know if SymPy is going to be mentoring this summer? |
| 19:11.43 | |Kev| | No-one knows who will be mentoring this summer yet. |
| 19:12.02 | CarsonLynn | :-( |
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| 19:12.59 | volton | CarsonLynn: I seems like they applied, they have a section in their wiki: https://github.com/sympy/sympy/wiki |
| 19:12.59 | Triskelios | CarsonLynn: you can ask them if they've applied |
| 19:13.18 | CarsonLynn | it looks like they have, I'd really like to dig into their code base |
| 19:13.35 | volton | CarsonLynn: And as they participated in the last few years as well I guess your chances are quite good |
| 19:13.44 | CarsonLynn | yay! |
| 19:14.12 | volton | CarsonLynn: please not that these are just guesses |
| 19:14.24 | CarsonLynn | I've got a professor who's big in the Symbolic Computation field who dosn't believe that python is a useful language |
| 19:14.52 | volton | CarsonLynn: :-D which language does he prefer? |
| 19:15.03 | CarsonLynn | well he uses Maple in the classroom |
| 19:15.23 | CarsonLynn | but I've been told he can write 1000+ lines of C in one sitting with no bugs |
| 19:15.40 | |Kev| | So can I. |
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| 19:15.50 | raulk | Volton : planing to work for KDE this summer |
| 19:16.01 | |Kev| | There'll just be a lot of whitespace :) |
| 19:16.04 | CarsonLynn | oooohh, what does KDE have going? |
| 19:16.10 | CarsonLynn | |Kev|: I'm not impressed |
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| 19:17.48 | |Kev| | CarsonLynn: Fortune that wasn't the aim, then :) |
| 19:17.50 | MatthewWilkes | CarsonLynn: In my experience lectures/professors don't write code with no bugs, they just don't test adequately |
| 19:18.08 | CarsonLynn | you haven't met my professor |
| 19:20.02 | MatthewWilkes | No, but I know how to tell the truth from fiction ;) |
| 19:20.52 | volton | raulk: Do you know for a fact that it is possible to apply for the android project? |
| 19:21.32 | |Kev| | volton: No-one knows which projects will participate yet. |
| 19:21.35 | Raim | volton: no, the list of accepted orgs has not been published |
| 19:22.07 | CarsonLynn | when can students start applying? |
| 19:22.14 | thiago_home | after the orgs are accepted |
| 19:22.16 | mmadia | !timeline |
| 19:22.16 | socinfo | mmadia: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/0lYPz |
| 19:22.17 | thiago_home | take a look at the timeline |
| 19:22.19 | raulk | volton : u gotta wait for the list and then act quickly |
| 19:22.34 | raulk | Nothing is for sure |
| 19:22.57 | CarsonLynn | that's awfully late |
| 19:23.10 | volton | okay, thank you guys |
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| 19:26.26 | Gabor_Bernat | After we have like 2 weeks to write your proposal, that's acceptable in my opinion |
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| 19:31.04 | David_Honeynet | volton: raulk: if accepted, the Honeynet Project will have some android projects this year (http://www.honeynet.org/gsoc/ideas) |
| 19:31.29 | David_Honeynet | security focused, rather than traditional app development |
| 19:32.47 | volton | David_Honeynet: i will check that out. thanks |
| 19:33.32 | Gabor_Bernat | they have rather many ideas, :) some quite good; it will be interesting which of them they do accept |
| 19:34.22 | David_Honeynet | also off the top of my head OpenIntents too (http://code.google.com/p/openintents/wiki/GSoC2011) |
| 19:35.13 | David_Honeynet | Gabor_Bernat: heh, there are a bunch more on an internal page waiting for mentors to confirm, should be fun to see how it pans out |
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| 19:39.39 | Gabor_Bernat | In any case, everything will be a lot clearer in six days. :D |
| 19:39.50 | volton | I would like to write an alternative window manager for Android but these two projects look nice as well |
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| 19:42.25 | Gabor_Bernat | well the good thing about open source is that even if your idea does not make it into the accepted ideas; the odds are high that if you want to make it anyways, the developers will probably help you do it if you contact them separately :) |
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| 19:43.20 | Gabor_Bernat | in other words a question? Can you propose ideas after the ones accepted appear? |
| 19:44.06 | David_Honeynet | Gabor_Bernat: yes. you don't have to contribute as part of GSoc - most orgs are volunteers and work on their projects year round. if you are motivated you can usually make it happen |
| 19:44.20 | David_Honeynet | (but nice to spend your summer doing it for Google) ;-) |
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| 19:45.48 | Gabor_Bernat | Agreed. :D |
| 19:47.13 | Gabor_Bernat | Whenever I hear open source a statement jups in too: "If the community really needs something, it will make it happen". So true... |
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| 19:51.09 | schumaml | but never forget: "you are part of the community" :) |
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| 20:24.51 | ciferkey | I have a question for student application, would someone be able to help me out? |
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| 20:26.28 | milki | ask first |
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| 20:27.41 | ciferkey | I'm a high school senior, I'm already 18, and I'll be confirming which college I go to in a month |
| 20:27.58 | ciferkey | i have intermediate experience in programming. Can I still apply for GSoC? |
| 20:28.09 | |Kev| | !faq |
| 20:28.09 | socinfo | |Kev|: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 20:28.46 | ciferkey | i had read that but I thought I should still ask. It does say university student... |
| 20:28.58 | MatthewWilkes | ciferkey: " Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs. " |
| 20:29.25 | MatthewWilkes | When we say read we mean read it all |
| 20:29.29 | MatthewWilkes | not skim |
| 20:29.31 | ciferkey | haha |
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| 20:29.41 | ciferkey | thank you! |
| 20:29.44 | dhaun | and for the programming experience, see http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 23:21.52 | socinfo | felipevieira: "next" is Friday, March 18 - Mentoring organizations are announced |
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