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| 00:50.33 | boscop | do you need to be at an university to be able to participate in GSoC? |
| 00:50.51 | boom1992_ | boscop: as far as I understood the faq no ;) |
| 00:50.56 | boom1992_ | I hope you don't have to! |
| 00:51.45 | gevaerts | You have to be at an accredited institution for non-compulsory education basically |
| 00:52.22 | gevaerts | Which means basically any school that normally gets students of 18 and older |
| 00:52.52 | boscop | hm |
| 00:53.24 | boscop | I'm in highschool now, but will go to an uni in autumn |
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| 00:53.42 | boscop | gevaerts, does that count? |
| 00:53.50 | gevaerts | isn't sure |
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| 00:54.13 | boom1992_ | hopes that he can do it if he is 18 and in high school |
| 00:54.45 | mayanks43 | boom1992_: should ask carols to confirm |
| 00:54.52 | gevaerts | I know the rule is rather simple, but I haven't looked at the actual rules... |
| 00:55.03 | boom1992_ | mh okay mayanks43 will do! |
| 00:57.45 | gevaerts | I *suspect* that if you are 18 on April 25, 2011, and you're definitely going to a university after the summer (i.e. the paperwork is done, probably also on April 25), you're fine. That's my interpretation though, and I'm not carols |
| 00:58.23 | boom1992_ | is not even going to university next year :/ |
| 00:58.29 | boom1992_ | but 18 obviously |
| 00:58.59 | gevaerts | So yes, ask carols, either by email or here. She's usually online on weekdays from about 19:00 UTC (plus or minus an hour or so) |
| 00:59.24 | mayanks43 | I thought gsoc was only for university students |
| 00:59.32 | mayanks43 | that's why google code-in |
| 00:59.47 | gevaerts | mayanks43: not *just* university students |
| 00:59.49 | boom1992_ | code in is for under 18... |
| 00:59.54 | mayanks43 | ok |
| 00:59.56 | gevaerts | "accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs" |
| 01:00.10 | gevaerts | So basically anything after high school |
| 01:00.19 | mayanks43 | but not high school? |
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| 01:02.27 | boscop | gevaerts, but paperwork can't be done before GSoC starts |
| 01:02.44 | gevaerts | boscop: in your case, http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#not_attending looks like it's the relevant one |
| 01:03.13 | gevaerts | If your university doesn't accept students that early, my guess is that the answer will be "no" |
| 01:03.17 | boscop | :( |
| 01:03.33 | gevaerts | But again, ask carols for a definitive answer |
| 01:03.35 | boscop | they accept everyone (but only in autumn) |
| 01:04.48 | boscop | what is the reason for these restrictions? |
| 01:05.26 | gevaerts | I guess for that you *really* need to ask people who actually work for google on gsoc |
| 01:05.42 | gevaerts | I could speculate, but that's not going to be very helpful |
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| 01:09.55 | msevior | Hi folks |
| 01:10.20 | msevior | I just submitted AbiWord's application to be a Mentoring organisation for 2011 GSoC |
| 01:10.32 | gevaerts | Excellent! |
| 01:10.37 | gevaerts | welcomes competition :) |
| 01:10.49 | msevior | hi gevaerts ! |
| 01:10.55 | msevior | Who do you admin for ? |
| 01:11.11 | msevior | Anyway a quick question: |
| 01:11.11 | boscop | it seems that you have to contribute to a project of the mentoring organization. so you can't start your own project? (or do you have to transfer ownership to them so that it counts as their project?) |
| 01:11.38 | gevaerts | I don't admin (we have a quite experienced admin already), but I mentor for rockbox |
| 01:11.48 | msevior | In filling out the online form I could swear I saw a box to list the org mentors, but I left it blank. |
| 01:11.55 | msevior | Now I can't find it. |
| 01:12.24 | msevior | looks up rockbox... |
| 01:12.56 | msevior | oh way cool! |
| 01:13.04 | gevaerts | boscop: you can suggest your own idea, but it will have to somehow fit the organisation you're suggesting it to, or they'll probably not accept it |
| 01:13.08 | msevior | I can flash my old ipod nano with that? |
| 01:13.33 | gevaerts | msevior: probably, if it's a 1st or 2nd generation |
| 01:13.44 | msevior | I think it's 2nd gen |
| 01:13.49 | msevior | silver 2 Gig |
| 01:13.52 | boscop | gevaerts, hm, is there a way to search for suitable organizations (e.g. what they are specialized in, etc)? |
| 01:14.15 | msevior | boscop look at the 2010 list of projects |
| 01:14.32 | msevior | find one that appeals to you |
| 01:14.44 | mayanks43 | use tags search field in that list |
| 01:14.49 | boscop | I can't find the list of projects :/ |
| 01:14.53 | msevior | My guess is that over 90% of 2010 application will be back in 2011 |
| 01:14.56 | boscop | only organizations |
| 01:15.31 | msevior | That's what I meant |
| 01:15.31 | boscop | ah, found it |
| 01:15.39 | msevior | The organisation are the first pass |
| 01:15.55 | msevior | Which organisation has project that interests you? |
| 01:16.01 | msevior | My org is AbiWord. |
| 01:16.06 | msevior | we make a free word processor |
| 01:16.09 | gevaerts | You don't want the list of last year's projects. Those are things that are done already |
| 01:16.37 | msevior | gevaerts, Well you can either be patatient or look a but further. |
| 01:16.54 | msevior | AbiWord for example has a wiki with our 2011 projects |
| 01:17.11 | gevaerts | Oh, sure, but that's the ideas list :) |
| 01:17.13 | mayanks43 | boscop try this: http://goo.gl/IqNjw Unofficial list |
| 01:17.17 | gevaerts | tends to be a bit pedantic |
| 01:17.21 | msevior | But what would be more convincing to an org is for you to approach them and say I really want to be part of your team |
| 01:17.48 | boscop | mayanks43, but I can't search for tags there, can I? |
| 01:17.59 | msevior | gevaerts, The ideas list is the projects lits to first order |
| 01:18.14 | msevior | You can come with your own as well |
| 01:18.24 | mayanks43 | check out the languages field |
| 01:18.35 | mayanks43 | or spend some time reading about each org :P |
| 01:18.55 | boscop | only 6 organizations about compilers in 2010 :/ |
| 01:19.42 | msevior | boscop You're not sounding like a fun potential student |
| 01:19.50 | gevaerts | Are you surprised? How many organisations about compilers are there in the first place? |
| 01:20.20 | boscop | I'm not really surprised but I hoped there were more |
| 01:20.58 | msevior | boscop here is some great advice: |
| 01:21.00 | msevior | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.21 | msevior | It's AbiWord specific but it would for almost all orgs |
| 01:21.54 | mayanks43 | it asks to register :-( |
| 01:22.28 | msevior | does it? |
| 01:22.42 | msevior | It didn't ask me. |
| 01:22.45 | msevior | I wonder why? |
| 01:22.51 | mayanks43 | you must be already registered on docstoc |
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| 01:23.12 | boscop | I'm not registered but it doesn't ask me to |
| 01:23.25 | msevior | There is a crap load of advertising around the page. |
| 01:23.38 | mayanks43 | weird in that case |
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| 01:44.31 | dberkholz | msevior: yeah, not a bad slide deck as an intro. lots of details though, i'd hate to hear it as a talk instead of reading it. |
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| 05:29.47 | rahulpyd | Hi, when will the list of participating organisations be announced |
| 05:29.48 | rahulpyd | ? |
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| 05:44.34 | rahulpyd | Hmm. |
| 05:45.53 | rahulpyd | Anyone who has contributed to Boost project last year or the year before? |
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| 09:03.30 | ferrousw1eel | hi all - my organisation (OpenCog) participated in GSoC during 2008 and 2009 (and unfortunately missed out on 2010). I'm up to the question on the ratio of students passing. 2008 is on melange and since I wasn't the admin in that year I'm having trouble remembering the exact pass rate. |
| 09:04.12 | ferrousw1eel | I'm assuming this information is somewhere in melange (at least for 2009), but I'm having trouble tracking it down. any clues? |
| 09:04.37 | ferrousw1eel | *2008 isn't on melange |
| 09:06.46 | ferrousw1eel | doh, i knew that would happen.. as soon as I give up and ask the question I found it under "GSoC organizations" (and not under "Programs" which is where I was looking) |
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| 09:20.40 | kblin | ferrousw1eel: hehe, that usually happens on IRC.. :) |
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| 09:21.11 | kblin | hm... |
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| 09:23.15 | kblin | durn |
| 09:23.54 | ferrousw1eel | Does anyone know if there is a way to access the 2008 gsoc site? The links I've found seem to be dead. Really having trouble finding a record of our pass rate. I think it was 100%, but I don't want to fill the form in with a guess and have Google think we're being dishonest if they have better records tucked away somewhere ;p |
| 09:24.50 | kblin | ferrousw1eel: doesn't melange also have your 2009 application? |
| 09:25.18 | ferrousw1eel | kblin: you are a cunning person. I will go check that! |
| 09:26.29 | kblin | I know it has the 2010 applications, but that might not help you much |
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| 11:11.19 | ferrousw1eel | Hmm, for the student application template |
| 11:11.40 | socketguru | does anyone know if minix3 is applying this year? |
| 11:11.54 | ferrousw1eel | .. is leaving a link to the template okay? Or is it preferable to copy paste the whole thing? |
| 11:12.20 | kps_foo | ferrousw1eel, leave a link |
| 11:12.40 | ferrousw1eel | kps_foo: thanks |
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| 12:58.45 | thebolt | hi |
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| 13:05.12 | socketguru | hi |
| 13:05.21 | socketguru | thebolt: how are you? |
| 13:06.57 | thebolt | better than in a long time :) |
| 13:07.01 | thebolt | yourself? |
| 13:07.37 | socketguru | I am just working on finding a suitable project |
| 13:08.00 | socketguru | related to c&network |
| 13:08.38 | socketguru | thebolt:you know about monkey-project? |
| 13:08.49 | gevaerts | may have something that matches those requirements :) |
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| 13:09.17 | thebolt | socketguru: nope |
| 13:11.49 | gevaerts | socketguru: you could propose to implement USB CDC for rockbox (in order to present a network card to the host, or possibly a ppp link if that would work better), and then implement an IP stack on top of that (something like lwip shouldn't be *too* hard to get working). It's all C, and you can't get more hardcore networking than the IP stack itself :) |
| 13:11.53 | socketguru | gevaerts: what do you know about it?please let me know |
| 13:11.57 | socketguru | ok |
| 13:12.59 | gevaerts | On the other hand, I can't promise that it will be ranked very high on our priorities list. This sort of thing will *always* lose against e.g. more codec support, all else being equal |
| 13:13.07 | socketguru | gevaerts: are you also related to this project? |
| 13:13.31 | gevaerts | I'm a mentor for rockbox, yes |
| 13:13.52 | socketguru | gevaerts: if i want to contribute in other's ideas,then |
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| 13:16.08 | gevaerts | hm, did my idea chase him away? |
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| 13:20.48 | foocraft | gevaerts, interesting project you got there :) |
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| 13:22.07 | gevaerts | foocraft: yes. I think it would be a really neat project. I just really don't know if enough people will want it to not be ranked outside our slot count (provided our slot count isn't zero in the first place of course) |
| 13:22.31 | foocraft | slot count? |
| 13:22.43 | mmadia | pets his Sansa E280 running Rockbox |
| 13:22.45 | gevaerts | The number of projects we get from google |
| 13:23.47 | foocraft | the audio codec optimization seems interesting, but it's a bit of a stretch from an average programmer's day-to-day knowledge |
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| 13:26.25 | gevaerts | To start with, very probably |
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| 13:27.05 | k33p3r | hi |
| 13:27.09 | foocraft | "allocated big buffers in a more dynamic way" seems like you either want to implement a malloc package, or you want a nice structure to represent the data |
| 13:28.28 | foocraft | (something that allows fast access to the most frequently accessed/sought parts) |
| 13:30.20 | gevaerts | foocraft: the main problem is that it has to work with other constraints, such as no MMU (so fragmentation is a *real* issue) |
| 13:31.14 | foocraft | nods |
| 13:31.40 | gevaerts | I'm not the main specialist for that though |
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| 13:35.24 | foocraft | I don't know how open you guys are to a proposal that contains "Find out more about Audio codec theory" |
| 13:35.50 | thiago | audio and video codecs are usually an IPR nightmare |
| 13:37.10 | gevaerts | foocraft: you mean, do we accept students who don't know all about codecs yet, or are we happy to get nobody at all? :) |
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| 13:38.42 | foocraft | Well someone that knows C, a bit rusty on x86 asm, knows numerical limits and computer systems, but still has to understand the codec specific parts |
| 13:39.46 | foocraft | there are some ideas on your page that would do fine for such a candidate, but the codec ideas seem really nice though :D |
| 13:40.05 | foocraft | (lots of new ground there) |
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| 13:45.17 | gevaerts | foocraft: we're used to getting new people who don't have much experience in several of the areas involved |
| 13:46.33 | stefanct | gevaerts: is there a written proposal about that embedded network stack thingy you mentioned above? |
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| 13:48.02 | gevaerts | stefanct: no. It's an idea that's been playing around in my head for a while, but it's not something that's fully worked out. I'm also not going to put it on our ideas page, due to it being a bit far out, and I don't want ideas on there that have a high chance of ending up at the bottom of the list given enough other (good) applications |
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| 13:52.37 | stefanct | ok thanks |
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| 15:03.36 | samrb | i need some suggestion |
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| 15:06.41 | Henek | hello |
| 15:10.12 | Henek | is an organization applying for the gsoc required to have a mailing list to be able to participate? |
| 15:10.28 | k33p3r | no |
| 15:10.51 | thiago | but it's a good idea |
| 15:11.07 | |Kev| | It's hard to imagine a gsoc without a mailing-list equivalent. |
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| 15:11.44 | socketguru | exactly |
| 15:11.52 | Henek | do you know a good service for a mailing list? |
| 15:12.09 | |Kev| | Can always use Google groups if all else faails. |
| 15:12.12 | ak|ra | http://librelist.com/ |
| 15:12.14 | |Kev| | s/aa/a/ |
| 15:13.01 | Michitux | we're using http://www.freelists.org/ |
| 15:15.19 | Henek | those looks promising, thanks |
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| 15:32.46 | Henek | I am wondering a bit how such a mailing list should be used, for instance who should be able to send mails through it |
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| 15:35.14 | gevaerts | Henek: how do you normally communicate? |
| 15:35.27 | ak|ra | shout it out of the window |
| 15:35.29 | ak|ra | :) |
| 15:35.43 | socketguru | :) |
| 15:36.03 | Henek | we usually only communicate through irc |
| 15:36.20 | Henek | or through our forums |
| 15:36.30 | ak|ra | then just imagine .. its like irc, just slower. |
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| 15:36.39 | gevaerts | I'm not sure if it's worth it to add a mailing list for gsoc |
| 15:37.11 | gevaerts | Not if you already have functional ways to communicate that people are happy with |
| 15:38.16 | Henek | we have had a few instances where a mailing list would have been helpful (although I have not personally met them) |
| 15:39.03 | Henek | what do you typically use it for? |
| 15:39.32 | ak|ra | folks not finding the irc channel hitting the ml, usually. |
| 15:41.15 | Henek | ak|ra: so outsiders can send to the mailing list? |
| 15:41.37 | ak|ra | yes |
| 15:41.56 | ak|ra | outsiders can "send to irc channel" as well (just join) |
| 15:42.52 | Henek | I think we would prefer them to contact us through irc or forums |
| 15:43.16 | ak|ra | forums are not that much different from mls |
| 15:45.39 | Henek | what do google intend the mailing list to be used for during the gsoc? |
| 15:45.53 | ak|ra | cooking |
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| 15:46.08 | ak|ra | obviously communication. |
| 15:48.16 | Henek | yeah, but are student supposed to contact us through it or just get information |
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| 16:15.27 | Phabtar | Hi! |
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| 16:16.51 | Phabtar | I think mailing list are necessary coz everybody can contact anybody that way |
| 16:17.18 | ak|ra | the same way they could contact folks via irc :) |
| 16:18.40 | gevaerts | Forums can perfectly do what mailing lists do, except for the fact that many people don't like forums |
| 16:18.58 | Phabtar | but everybody don't have access to irc, some university networks unintentionally ban irc protocol because it's p2p |
| 16:18.58 | Henek | well, we are a game, so there is very many requests and similar content |
| 16:19.01 | ak|ra | same with ml and irc, at the end: just pick what you want. |
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| 16:19.22 | gevaerts | And many people don't like mailing lists, yes. So it will depend on what you want :) |
| 16:19.29 | ak|ra | Phabtar: http://webchat.freenode.net/ |
| 16:19.39 | gevaerts | irc is *not* p2p |
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| 16:20.08 | gevaerts | And irc isn't very good for things where you need a few paragraphs to explain something |
| 16:21.13 | Henek | do you all have public mailing lists (everyone can send) |
| 16:21.48 | Phabtar | :S I guess not, :) |
| 16:22.00 | gevaerts | Ours are moderated, i.e. if you're not subscribed, someone somewhere will have to approve it, which may take time |
| 16:22.32 | gevaerts | That's not because we don't want "outsiders" sending things. It's just because it makes spam much more manageable |
| 16:22.54 | Henek | what type of messages do you use it for? |
| 16:23.08 | ak|ra | "hello, i dont how to do xyz. help" |
| 16:24.19 | gevaerts | Discussion of controversial things mainly, because you can't assume that everyone with an opinion on the issue is online at the time of the discussion |
| 16:24.32 | Henek | we have news on our front page and support, requests, chatting, contribution on irc and forums |
| 16:25.01 | Henek | so I can't see any need for a mailing list really |
| 16:25.10 | ak|ra | then dont establish one. |
| 16:25.38 | gevaerts | Also more general things that need a bit more persistence than irc, like announcements of feature freezes, requests for translations, or poll-like things ("Does anyone disaree with X?") |
| 16:25.47 | gevaerts | We *don't* use forums for development discussions |
| 16:26.17 | gevaerts | If you use forums for those things, I'd say you probably don't need mailing lists |
| 16:27.19 | Henek | okey, thanks for the info, we will see if we establish a mailing list. but it is good that I know we are not required too |
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| 16:28.44 | Henek | I hope we will get approved for gsoc 2011 |
| 16:30.56 | gevaerts | Many of us hope similar things :) |
| 16:31.42 | Henek | :) |
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| 16:44.32 | naeg | I've an idea for a python project, and I'd like to have python.org as my mentoring organisations |
| 16:45.05 | naeg | Shall I simply write to the ML asking whether my project is suitable? |
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| 17:01.51 | djmitche | naeg: yes |
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| 17:04.06 | Michitux | hm, can organizations that have participated at gsoc in the past but won't participate in 2011 vouch for other organizations? |
| 17:04.34 | Michitux | (I would say no, I just want to be sure I haven't missed a possibility) |
| 17:04.34 | |Kev| | Michitux: I believe the vouching is done on the application form. |
| 17:04.57 | |Kev| | A quick word with carols would verify, though :) |
| 17:05.41 | Michitux | |Kev|: I've seen that, I just wanted to be sure there aren't other possibilities I've missed ;) |
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| 17:11.56 | Michitux | imho the whole vouching system is also a bit contradictory because one time it's "small or new" and the other time it's "small and new" |
| 17:12.19 | djmitche | I suspect it's a basic initial "are you for real" screen, and thus not taken too seriously |
| 17:12.45 | djmitche | filters out the "I uploaded a readme to github and now I need minions" requests :) |
| 17:13.08 | |Kev| | I'd have thought it gave more than that. |
| 17:13.18 | |Kev| | Depending on the org doing the vouching, possibly. |
| 17:13.24 | djmitche | true |
| 17:13.42 | Michitux | djmitche: if it's really just that then I don't need to put any efforts into it ;) |
| 17:14.09 | gevaerts | I suspect that if a well-known org vouches for some random unkown small project, carols now doesn't have to spend half a day figuring out if that small project really exists |
| 17:15.15 | djmitche | Michitux: I retract my comments then |
| 17:15.38 | djmitche | gevaerts: yeah, that's what I'm getting at, but with too much hyperbole |
| 17:15.55 | djmitche | presumably there's some "I know this org and think it's together enough to mentor/admin" involved, too |
| 17:16.11 | Michitux | gevaerts: yeah, okay, but you don't need half a day in order to find out that dokuwiki exists imho. yet we are new and perhaps still a bit small, depending on what you take as small/large. |
| 17:16.27 | gevaerts | And that also means I think that it doesn't matter if that large and/or well-known orgabisation applies this year. If they're known to the google people, I'd think that's all that matters |
| 17:16.50 | gevaerts | Michitux: half a day may be a bit of an exaggeration too |
| 17:17.18 | gevaerts | But they have only four or five days to evaluate everything |
| 17:17.38 | pygi | dokuwiki! ÄD |
| 17:17.42 | pygi | :D |
| 17:18.16 | gevaerts | And it's a bit more than "exists". They probably also want to check if there's a real community around it and things like that |
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| 17:19.32 | gevaerts | And yes, for some projects that's easier than for others :) |
| 17:21.05 | |Kev| | I'd like to think that the vouching org would help the new org as well. |
| 17:21.21 | |Kev| | Given that GSoC mentoring doesn't turn out to be what anyone expects the first time. |
| 17:21.36 | |Kev| | Although we do now have the new-orgs list to help with that. |
| 17:21.52 | gevaerts | nods |
| 17:22.04 | gevaerts | The whole point (I think) is to offload some of the support work |
| 17:23.03 | |Kev| | I do wonder if carols sleeps for some of the weeks of GSoC. |
| 17:23.11 | |Kev| | Or if LH did. |
| 17:23.26 | mlankhorst | finally.. |
| 17:23.54 | |Kev| | mlankhorst: what's that? |
| 17:24.08 | mlankhorst | unrelated :) |
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| 17:25.24 | mlankhorst | fixing games to work in wine somehow doesn't make me want to play them more ;) |
| 17:25.31 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 17:26.03 | |Kev| | I used to fiddle around trying to get stuff running in Wine. Then I decided my time was worth more than the price of a new box, so I have a workstation and a games machine. |
| 17:26.45 | |Kev| | I'm not sure if I'm more geek, because I avoid fiddling with things so I have time to write code, or less geek because I don't fiddle, than I used to be. |
| 17:26.49 | mlankhorst | <quad core i5 overclocked, 8 gb memory, crappy old gfx card :x |
| 17:27.24 | |Kev| | Much faster than my games machine :) |
| 17:27.39 | |Kev| | Think I'm still on a c2d 2.4, 4gig (registers as 3, thanks BIOS) |
| 17:27.53 | mlankhorst | its not really a games machine, mostly for working on shit |
| 17:28.12 | |Kev| | My workstation is admittedly a touch more powerful (pair of quad-core Xeons). |
| 17:28.49 | |Kev| | Couple of years old, so probably still slower than an overclocked i5 :) |
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| 17:29.31 | mlankhorst | probably, those new i5's are fast, 3.3ghz -> 4.6 ghz on air cooling :) |
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| 17:46.23 | pyth0n__ | great news |
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| 17:58.42 | pyth0n__ | wrong window..oops |
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