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| 00:10.32 | carols | hey censorydep :-) |
| 00:10.48 | carols | refreshes the tea and coffee |
| 00:10.55 | gevaerts | Yay, more tea! |
| 00:10.55 | censorydep | hola! |
| 00:10.57 | mlankhorst | moo |
| 00:11.10 | censorydep | Muchas gracias. :-) |
| 00:11.10 | gevaerts | carols: *you* are the one who's kind :) |
| 00:11.15 | censorydep | Here, have some cookies. |
| 00:11.23 | carols | aw |
| 00:11.34 | carols | munches cookies |
| 00:11.42 | carols | thanks for the kind words gevaerts :-) |
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| 00:45.09 | thebolt | Morning |
| 00:47.19 | mlankhorst | nn carols |
| 00:47.24 | mlankhorst | and everyone else |
| 00:47.25 | carols | nn mlankhorst |
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| 00:51.19 | umccullough_w | carols, thanks for sending that stuff along, btw |
| 00:51.31 | carols | umccullough_w: you're welcome. what did i send along? |
| 00:51.38 | umccullough_w | stickers, pens, notepads :) |
| 00:51.53 | umccullough_w | unfortunately...(i'm embarrassed to admit), I accidentally left them at home :( |
| 00:52.02 | umccullough_w | but i'll be sure to take them to the next event |
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| 00:54.35 | carols | umccullough_w: cool, glad it worked out :-) |
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| 00:59.50 | thebolt | hi carols , how're you doing? |
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| 01:02.59 | carols | good, how are you thebolt? |
| 01:04.01 | thebolt | just perfect, life is going pretty well again :) |
| 01:04.29 | carols | great, glad to hear it :-) |
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| 04:57.24 | ponyding | hi ,is there mentor here? |
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| 04:58.01 | jiageng08 | hello, I am here |
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| 04:58.57 | ponyding | are you mentor? |
| 04:59.38 | ojwb | ponyding: what are you actually wanting to know? |
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| 05:01.03 | ponyding | I want to know more info about the project ,and read the relative material first |
| 05:01.29 | ponyding | has a good preparation |
| 05:02.30 | ojwb | if you want to know about a particular open source project, it's more effective to direct questions to them on their own IRC channel or mailing list or forum |
| 05:02.54 | ojwb | if you're wanting to know about gsoc in general, well, it's hard to answer "i want to know more info" |
| 05:03.14 | ojwb | the best answer I can give is read the faq... |
| 05:03.25 | ponyding | many ths |
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| 06:04.14 | nilesh | What all programming language projects come in gsoc? |
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| 06:10.30 | ojwb | nilesh: generally all the common ones, and many of the less common ones |
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| 06:11.09 | nilesh | ojwb: So I can expect php/python/c++ projects? |
| 06:11.20 | ojwb | certainly |
| 06:11.27 | nilesh | thanks! |
| 06:12.26 | mkfnx_ | nilesh: you can also take a look to the previous years projects and participating organizations lists, so you can have a more clear idea of what to expect |
| 06:12.27 | ojwb | nilesh: you can get an idea what was available last year at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 06:12.38 | ojwb | just type a language name into the "tags" field |
| 06:12.51 | ojwb | though I think it's dumb and C++ actually matches the same as C |
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| 06:13.45 | ojwb | ah no, it's a substring match, so c matches any tag with a c in it... |
| 06:14.15 | nilesh | searching c++ using regex pattern: c\+\+ ;) |
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| 06:14.24 | nilesh | it perfectly matches in this case |
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| 06:16.10 | ojwb | c++ seemed to work anyway - either they fixed that, or I was misremembering the problem |
| 06:16.33 | nilesh | nvm... i got info about what i wanted :) |
| 06:16.35 | nilesh | thanks |
| 06:18.49 | mkfnx_ | hi everyone, I have some questions |
| 06:18.52 | mkfnx_ | First, I've talked with some teachers about form a "local support network" (or just someone to share the exciment and fund :D) with other students at my university and we think that in order to stimulate (and hopefully boost) participation, it would be a good idea to provide a basic familiarization course of the Linux programming enviroment (we plan to convert some microsofties or similars :P), like terminal commands, tools for development (debugger, IDE), |
| 06:18.53 | mkfnx_ | control version and communication (mailing lists) |
| 06:18.53 | mkfnx_ | Someone has tried this in the past? Is there something like a recommended topics list or even reference material? |
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| 06:19.53 | ojwb | if by "share the exciment and fund" you're suggesting working in gsoc as a team, that's explicitly not allowed... |
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| 06:21.26 | ojwb | i think some unis have offered desk space to students doing gsoc in past years |
| 06:21.27 | mkfnx_ | not exactly, I mean things like familiarization courses |
| 06:21.56 | fireball955 | g' night |
| 06:22.05 | mkfnx_ | yah, we also talked about that |
| 06:23.09 | ojwb | sounds like a good idea though |
| 06:23.39 | ojwb | lack of familiarity with version control is a fairly common obstacle |
| 06:25.34 | mkfnx_ | good to know, I think we will go for it |
| 06:25.53 | mkfnx_ | The other question is more related to what you just said it's not allowed :S |
| 06:26.29 | mkfnx_ | The other idea is to form pairs of students ("beginner" with "advanced") not to complete or work in the projects but, since we expect lower participation from beginners, with the intention to familiarize them with the program and encourage them to apply in future gsoc editions. |
| 06:26.30 | mkfnx_ | So I know this is not allowed but what are the limits between work as a team, and (I don't exactly know how to call it) share information? |
| 06:27.02 | ojwb | i think you'd need to talk to carols |
| 06:27.44 | ojwb | but if you're paying people to help you, I'd say you've definitely crossed the line |
| 06:27.58 | mkfnx_ | thanks, do you know how can I contact him? |
| 06:28.02 | ojwb | her |
| 06:28.06 | mkfnx_ | sorry |
| 06:28.07 | mkfnx_ | her |
| 06:28.13 | ojwb | carols@google.com, or on here |
| 06:28.20 | mkfnx_ | so, we will try to avoid that |
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| 06:28.47 | fireball955 | amm hi, im on the same uni as mkfnx, and i also have a quetion related to this idea |
| 06:28.53 | mkfnx_ | also I think that the teachers could help us to assure you that it wouldn't happen |
| 06:29.42 | ojwb | goes to have dinner |
| 06:30.04 | mkfnx_ | if her nick here is also carols I thinks she's not here, so there'es a common time where I can find her? |
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| 06:30.55 | mkfnx_ | ojwb: oh sorry, thanks for the help! |
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| 07:07.04 | ojwb | mkfnx_: she's usually at google hq in california, so working hours there are probably a good bet |
| 07:07.39 | mkfnx_ | ojwb: thanks |
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| 11:49.22 | ana | hi! I remember reading at some moment in the official FAQ or some related document a little explanation about why only code contributions where accepted. does somebody know a pointer of this? (I hope i did not dream reading that :D ) |
| 11:50.08 | kai | ana: the clue is in the name? ;) |
| 11:50.38 | ana | kai: no necessarily, code-in also had code in the name and it was more than code :) |
| 11:52.32 | ojwb | ana: #12 here is related, but doesn't explain the reasoning: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#doc_proposals |
| 11:53.16 | ojwb | it does say "this program is an exercise in developing code" |
| 11:54.03 | ana | ojwb: yeah, I remember at some time reading one explanation, maybe it was in an email |
| 11:54.20 | kai | I guess that was on the mentor mailing list or the like |
| 11:54.50 | ojwb | yes, i think it was discussed there a couple of years ago |
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| 11:55.00 | ojwb | probably been discussed a few times |
| 11:56.25 | ojwb | ana: I'll try to read through the text you asked me to soon btw |
| 11:57.45 | ana | ojwb: it is a bit late now, mail and project inscription are in. Help with the FAQ is very welcome |
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| 12:04.05 | ojwb | ana: ah, sorry - life's a bit hectic recently |
| 12:04.36 | ana | ojwb: no problem!! thank you for trying to be around :) |
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| 13:06.34 | d1b | morning |
| 13:06.59 | dotnick | hey d1b |
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| 13:20.01 | Akash | How do people manage to join the mailing list without even reading the FAQ's? There should be a mandatory quiz to join the List-- answers from FAQ's |
| 13:20.36 | shadeslayer | hey Akash |
| 13:20.47 | Akash | shadeslayer: hi |
| 13:20.54 | dotnick | :) |
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| 13:29.07 | _Samo | what is your opinion about using Project management_software |
| 13:29.25 | _Samo | in the context of Google summer of code |
| 13:29.36 | _Samo | can Melange be used for that? |
| 13:31.05 | |Kev| | I don't think I really understand the question. |
| 13:31.17 | |Kev| | Projects should be managed in whatever way the student and mentor agree is most appropriate. |
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| 13:54.59 | shadeslayer | !next |
| 13:54.59 | socinfo | shadeslayer: "next" is February 28, 19:00 UTC: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google. |
| 13:55.10 | shadeslayer | shouldn't that be changed or sth? |
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| 14:15.17 | ojwb | shadeslayer: anyone can change it... |
| 14:15.26 | shadeslayer | ah |
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| 14:15.51 | shadeslayer | one sec |
| 14:16.24 | shadeslayer | !next is <reply> Mentoring organization application deadline. |
| 14:16.25 | socinfo | shadeslayer: Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 14:16.31 | ojwb | 23:00 UTC on 12th is it? |
| 14:16.38 | shadeslayer | yep |
| 14:17.16 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 12th - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 14:17.16 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:17.23 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next #1 |
| 14:17.23 | socinfo | ojwb: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 14:17.29 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next 1 |
| 14:17.29 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:17.33 | ojwb | !next |
| 14:17.33 | socinfo | ojwb: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 12th - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 14:17.37 | ojwb | tada |
| 14:18.01 | shadeslayer | :D |
| 14:18.08 | ojwb | (it learns multiple versions otherwise) |
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| 14:18.28 | shadeslayer | yeah got that when you did forget next 1 :) |
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| 14:56.21 | timotei | is it just me or this author threads have the exactly same queestion? |
| 14:56.21 | timotei | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8368146f1ad2383c |
| 14:56.27 | timotei | and: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/eaf5fcbb1faf3239 |
| 14:57.06 | mayanks43 | lol |
| 14:59.22 | mayanks43 | seems the second guy just copy pasted the earlier one's text |
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| 15:11.19 | owst | Hi all. I'm currently in the process of applying for a PhD to begin in October. I want to do something useful with my summer, and I'm looking at GSoC. I don't know if/when I'll have my funding confirmation and thus I'm not sure if I'm eligible... I'm currently finishing my Masters degree, does this "cover" me? |
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| 15:12.09 | MatthewWilkes | owst: Depends if you're still studying on the cut-off date, read the FAQ |
| 15:12.23 | MatthewWilkes | If your university considers you a registered student on that date, yes, if not, no |
| 15:12.36 | thebolt | owst: the previous years it has been "if you are a student on this date (somewhen around end of april), then yes, if not no" |
| 15:13.15 | owst | "As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of April 25, 2011, you are eligible" sounds like the answer - just wanted to be sure :) |
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| 15:15.32 | MatthewWilkes | owst: The only way to be sure is to read the FAQs, rather than asking people on the internet ;) |
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| 15:16.03 | owst | MatthewWilkes: Point noted ;) |
| 15:16.10 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 15:16.22 | MatthewWilkes | hi the |
| 15:16.24 | MatthewWilkes | dammit |
| 15:16.28 | MatthewWilkes | you know what I meant ;) |
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| 15:17.18 | thebolt | :) |
| 15:17.20 | thebolt | how's things? |
| 15:18.34 | thebolt | where are you at now? germany or norway? |
| 15:18.56 | MatthewWilkes | Germany at the moment, was in Norway at the weekend though |
| 15:20.01 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: How's the ROC? |
| 15:22.47 | thebolt | It is just perfect right now (at least my life here) ;) |
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| 15:24.43 | thebolt | spring is coming, work is going well, studies as well, just recently began dating a very nice girl.. what is there not to like :) |
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| 15:25.58 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 15:28.06 | thebolt | guess only down is that i won't have time to be in gsoc this year either |
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| 15:29.18 | socketguru | thebolt: where are you busy this year? |
| 15:30.32 | thebolt | socketguru: i'm too busy running the startup i work for.. |
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| 15:33.19 | thebolt | (and geographically that would be in the ROC) |
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| 15:46.30 | socinfo | surex: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 12th - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 15:49.55 | socketguru | !help |
| 15:49.55 | socinfo | socketguru: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 17:20.26 | gpart | What would happen if a student wanted to withdraw from GSoC just a few days after the list is out? |
| 17:20.33 | gpart | Will he be allowed to do so? |
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| 17:21.08 | gevaerts | gpart: are you asking as a student or a mentor? |
| 17:21.17 | gpart | Student |
| 17:21.36 | gevaerts | If as a student, the answer is "We will come after you!". If as a mentor, "There are ways to deal with that" |
| 17:22.12 | gevaerts | And of course you're allowed to do whatever you like. It's just a matter of how nice it is to others :) |
| 17:22.25 | gevaerts | Which list specifically do you mean though? Student acceptance? |
| 17:22.42 | gpart | The reason I am asking is that since GSoC requires that I do not do another internship alongwith GSoC, so , I will be applying for another internship as well. Its results will come in the last week of April as well |
| 17:23.35 | gpart | At that point I will have to choose, and if I get selected in both(highly unlikely), I will be taking the internship, since it will give me the experience of working in a corporate environment |
| 17:24.16 | gevaerts | Right. |
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| 17:25.00 | brik | I guess if it's that soon after acceptance, the mentoring org might be able to find a replacement? |
| 17:25.10 | gevaerts | From a mentor point of view, I'd say make sure this is clear to the organisation(s) you're applying to. Of course all else being equal they will pick the candidate with the least risk... |
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| 17:25.41 | gevaerts | brik: yes, but nobody likes having to do that |
| 17:25.57 | brik | of course |
| 17:26.14 | |Kev| | As a mentor, it'd be really inconvenient if someone pulled out immediately after being accepted. We're an umbrella org, and so we choose students based not just on the students, but also the mentors and projects involved. There's a significant chance we'd have to lose the spot if that happened. |
| 17:26.15 | gevaerts | It's extra work for lots of people, including google |
| 17:26.38 | gpart | ah.. ok |
| 17:26.51 | |Kev| | (Which in turn means that some other applicant might be missing out, etc.) |
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| 17:27.47 | khrm | It is mention in faqs that we have to tell orgs about our schedule of summer. So I doubt any org will choose after reading that. |
| 17:27.48 | gpart | one more thing, if I talk to the organisation, and they say that they will select me, then is threr any possibility of google having a problem with my selection? |
| 17:28.30 | gevaerts | If you're making things clear in advance, and you get selected, the organisation has chosen to take the risk (we've done this in the past). If you *don't* make the situation clear and you drop out, don't expect much sympathy next year... |
| 17:28.54 | dberkholz | khrm: i've never heard of that happening |
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| 17:29.17 | dberkholz | sorry. that was for gpart |
| 17:29.20 | gevaerts | gpart: the only real answer to that would come from carols, who should be here in a few hours |
| 17:29.24 | |Kev| | If I was aware of it, and it was just me making the decisions for our org (it isn't), I could plan for this. |
| 17:30.01 | |Kev| | e.g. work things out so that an exceptional but risky student dropping out would leave a gap suitable for another suitable student etc. |
| 17:30.44 | gpart | Thx.. so I guess if my org accepts me then I'll not apply for the other internship |
| 17:31.12 | gevaerts | gpart: wasn't the problem that you don't know either of them early enough? |
| 17:31.58 | gpart | See, if the mentoring org says OK, and as you said, its unlikely google would have a problem with it, I can witdraw my other application easily |
| 17:32.07 | gpart | *early |
| 17:32.13 | gpart | before 15th April |
| 17:32.39 | gevaerts | That assumes the mentoring organisation *can* say that that early |
| 17:33.09 | socketguru | on that note,if i do an internship from july, would that be a problem if a can give 10-12 hours/week? |
| 17:33.29 | dskw | On a related sidenote, I was just wondering if a student applies, but makes known to the organisation that he/she can only commit up to, say, Aug 1st (Aug 22th is firm pencils-down date). I suppose this will affect the application somehow? |
| 17:33.31 | |Kev| | socketguru: GSoC is a full-time job. You should be giving 9-5 5 days a week :) |
| 17:33.32 | socketguru | i might do an internship from 5th july |
| 17:33.41 | |Kev| | (Or rough equivalent, as agreed with the org) |
| 17:33.42 | socketguru | oh |
| 17:34.25 | gpart | yes, thats what I am assuming, since I am applying to only 1 org |
| 17:34.35 | brik | depends on the org too though, I've seen some say 10-20 hours a week and others up to 40 |
| 17:35.00 | gevaerts | dskw: if you provide a plan to deal with that (like starting early), that shouldn't be too much of a problem |
| 17:35.01 | socketguru | do u mean 5 days when you say week? |
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| 17:35.17 | gevaerts | gpart: but you're not the only one applying there |
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| 17:35.57 | gpart | yes, but it skips step 3 of the selection process : IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students - 19:00 UTC #gsoc |
| 17:36.07 | gevaerts | no |
| 17:36.12 | gevaerts | It doesn't skip that at all |
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| 17:36.56 | gevaerts | If someone else on the shortlist is on the accepted list of two organisations, things get shuffled, and your name may well suddenly appear in the list |
| 17:37.14 | gpart | Ah.. never thought of that |
| 17:37.25 | gpart | will have to discuss with the org then |
| 17:37.47 | gevaerts | That would be best, yes |
| 17:38.42 | gevaerts | Although we're of course relying on you being honest. You *could* conceivably keep quiet about it and just vanish without a trace... |
| 17:39.04 | gevaerts | You'd live on forever on the personal blacklist of all involved though :) |
| 17:39.11 | |Kev| | But pleeeeeeeeeeease don't do that. |
| 17:39.28 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! We are accepting applications for mentoring organizations until 11 March at 23:00 UTC: http://goo.gl/CnhKl Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
| 17:39.37 | |Kev| | Hey carols. |
| 17:39.43 | carols | hi |Kev| |
| 17:40.36 | gevaerts | gives carols a cup of tea and some chocolate |
| 17:40.47 | gpart | I definetly wont do that.. but cant I gracefully withdraw, say telling google that they dont send the payment card,etc. |
| 17:40.51 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 17:40.53 | carols | sips tea |
| 17:41.59 | gevaerts | gpart: sure, but as we said, it's really unpleasant if it's unexpected. I won't pretend that being honest about this won't reduce your chances to get accepted, but it *will* be appreciated |
| 17:42.02 | khrm | gpart: I think in your proposal ypu have to mention your summer schedule. So I can't think an org will take the risk. |
| 17:42.17 | gevaerts | khrm: if the proposal is good enough, they will |
| 17:42.29 | gpart | ok, thx |
| 17:42.47 | |Kev| | khrm: Known risks can be managed. |
| 17:43.59 | |Kev| | gpart: Google are (Excluding poor carols who'll have to deal with sorting it out) the people who'd be least affected by you pulling out. It's the org, and the other students who applied to that org, that really have the potential to miss out if someone withdraws unexpectedly. |
| 17:44.11 | gevaerts | Of course if you think you have 95% chance of dropping out, you won't get in, but if you estimate that you have about (just picking a number...) 10% chance of getting the other internship, and your proposal is good, you have a fair chance |
| 17:44.46 | gpart | the chance of getting the other internship is closer to 1% |
| 17:44.49 | carols | thanks for looking out for me, |Kev| :-) |
| 17:44.56 | gpart | :) |
| 17:45.12 | |Kev| | It may also be interesting to consider that an internship at a company will look better than GSoC to some people - but certainly not to others. |
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| 17:45.28 | |Kev| | Particularly as GSoC leaves a trace of you on the Internet that can then support future job applications if you do well. |
| 17:46.08 | |Kev| | (And get you into OSS development longer-term that *certainly* improves your chances significantly with some job applications) |
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| 17:46.33 | gevaerts | And it doesn't leave much of a trace usually if you *don't* do well, unless people are really digging |
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| 17:48.16 | gevaerts | gpart: if it's really that sort of number, I'd say mention it, explain why you think it's a low chance, and provided your application is good enough you're likely to be fine |
| 17:49.18 | gpart | Was just looking at the worst case scenario.. thx for the info |
| 17:49.33 | gevaerts | Well, you're likely to be fine if the people evaluating the proposal think like me :) |
| 17:49.41 | gevaerts | can't really promise that |
| 17:49.53 | |Kev| | Oh, the *worst* case scenario is a horde of angry geeks with pitchforks and torches outside your door. I wouldn't necessarily consider it, though. |
| 17:50.15 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I don't think we get the address :) |
| 17:50.22 | gpart | and, I wont be disappearing w/o a trace, since I will be doing the project that I am planning to do as part of GSoC later anyways if I dont get in |
| 17:50.33 | gevaerts | So really the worst case is an angry carols with pitchforks and torches :) |
| 17:50.34 | gpart | so I will still need their guidance |
| 17:50.38 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Process of elimination, only 6billion-odd possibilities :) |
| 17:50.42 | carols | what gevaerts said. |
| 17:50.56 | khrm | I believe we should focus on only one thing. A traditional story which I had been told about from childhood. http://paste.ubuntu.com/574567/ If you get internship and gsoc both. Choose the latter. As gsoc too is a type of internship. |
| 17:51.04 | carols | im a nice person. just dont make more work for me than I already have :-) |
| 17:51.33 | gevaerts | carols: I thought you liked this sort of work? ;) |
| 17:51.43 | carols | gevaerts: i love it. :-) |
| 17:51.49 | carols | i *don't* love redundancy |
| 17:51.53 | carols | in my work |
| 17:52.00 | carols | love redundancy in networks though :-) |
| 17:52.10 | gpart | Focus is on GSoC only,, for the other one I only have to submit my CV |
| 17:53.03 | gpart | just in case anyone has heard about it, its through IAESTE |
| 17:53.08 | khrm | Redundancy. Among my sir's favourites word |
| 17:55.55 | svaksha | carols: there may be some redundancy for .in students this year, if the new address format (no special chars) stays. |
| 17:56.18 | carols | svaksha: good to know :-) |
| 17:56.28 | svaksha | :) |
| 17:56.41 | gpart | svaksha: What does that mean? .in students |
| 17:56.58 | svaksha | gpart: country code? |
| 17:57.03 | dskw | gpart: My country isn't in the list of IAESTE - no wonder I've never heard of it. But if I were you, I'll *ahem* focus on gsoc. :) |
| 17:57.26 | gpart | why the redundancy for Indian students? |
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| 17:57.45 | gpart | and do you mean redundant students? |
| 17:57.51 | svaksha | err..no |
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| 17:58.03 | gevaerts | gpart: "redundancy" as "lots of extra work" |
| 17:58.19 | gpart | ah, ok still the question, why? |
| 17:58.34 | gpart | its not like addresses are very complex here |
| 17:58.53 | khrm | Lost the connection. Whats your question gaprt? |
| 17:59.00 | svaksha | the new address format (afaik it was used for GCI) does not have any special chars, so students may not get their couriers on time, hence redundancy (more work) for carols |
| 17:59.29 | gevaerts | svaksha: I don't remember any gsoc-related address thing that supported much more than the basic 26 letters |
| 17:59.33 | gevaerts | What's new? |
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| 17:59.43 | gpart | ah, makes sense now |
| 17:59.46 | svaksha | gpart: remove all special chars (,;#) |
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| 18:00.25 | gevaerts | goes home |
| 18:00.33 | gpart | but would result in some confusion, why not allow some characters like '-',',','.','\n' |
| 18:01.04 | jrabbit | the postal workers are quite smart really if you get it to the right subdivision. |
| 18:01.19 | gpart | :) I know, I live here |
| 18:01.52 | gpart | they also take their own sweet time to deliver it |
| 18:02.14 | gpart | and ask for bribes if the letter had an international origin(assuming you are using indiapost) |
| 18:02.39 | khrm | quite true. |
| 18:03.37 | gpart | some people here would have had the privilege of paying Rs 50-100 for the Ubuntu Shipit CD's i guess |
| 18:04.23 | khrm | If you have got paycheck through them then you might have to shell out some. Otherwise it might be sendback. But during recent time I think sting ops have reduced these type of corruption somewhat. |
| 18:04.51 | gpart | I guess so, this was about 4 yrs back |
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| 18:05.02 | gpart | when I was stuck on dialup |
| 18:05.04 | khrm | No. I got my shipit for free and also opensolaris when it was alive |
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| 18:49.37 | carols | !next |
| 18:49.37 | socinfo | carols: "next" is 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 12th - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 18:51.19 | carols | hmm |
| 18:51.24 | carols | friday is not march 12 :-) |
| 18:51.26 | carols | !learn next as 23:00 UTC on Friday, March 11 - Mentoring organization application deadline |
| 18:51.27 | socinfo | carols: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:52.32 | shadeslayer | night everyone :) |
| 18:52.40 | |Kev| | I like the idea of carols needing to use !next :) |
| 18:52.44 | |Kev| | shadeslayer: Good night. |
| 18:52.53 | shadeslayer | |Kev|: hahah :D |
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| 19:03.24 | gevaerts | will now always look to carols for calendar guidance :) |
| 19:03.40 | carols | that's a lot of responsibility, gevaerts :-) |
| 19:04.30 | gevaerts | You can handle it carols, I know you can! :) |
| 19:04.37 | carols | aw, thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 19:05.18 | gevaerts | By the way, could you arrange for today to be friday so I don't have to work tomorrow? :) |
| 19:06.09 | carols | gevaerts: i'll see what i can do. :-P |
| 19:06.15 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 19:06.17 | carols | serves more coffee in the meantime |
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| 20:57.06 | lfaraone | If I'm a mentor this year for an organization, am I inelegiable to be a student for that orga next yer? |
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| 21:00.03 | dhaun | lfaraone: I don't think so - you only can't be both at the same time |
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| 21:00.29 | lfaraone | dhaun: okay. |
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| 21:18.35 | lfaraone | Can students apply more than once to the same orga, or only to different orgas? (asking on behalf of a friend now) |
| 21:19.06 | gevaerts | both |
| 21:19.37 | mayanks43 | maximum 20 are allowed |
| 21:20.12 | gevaerts | I'd say that's irrelevant. If you manage more than 20 applications, what are the chances of them being decent? |
| 21:21.33 | mayanks43 | none |
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| 21:24.16 | timotei | gevaerts: what about someone who stayed a whole year to do them?:P |
| 21:24.51 | mayanks43 | lol |
| 21:25.07 | gevaerts | timotei: instant fail, due to him being the sort of person who spends lots of time on weird things when he should be coding instead :) |
| 21:25.19 | timotei | gevaerts: good point xD |
| 21:26.12 | timotei | I for one would make max 2-3 proposal *only* if there are really 2-3 very interesting choices, and wouldn't know what to choose |
| 21:27.15 | gevaerts | I'd think having more than one proposal is also a good idea if you have one far out thing that's very interesting but rather risky / unlikely to be accepted and one "backup" safe proposal |
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| 21:28.29 | ojwb | carols: i noticed an incorrect link in the faq - http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#what_is_mentor - 2009 links to http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs rather than a list of orgs from 2009 |
| 21:32.07 | ojwb | carols: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 seems to be the correct link |
| 21:35.04 | carols | ojwb: thanks, i'll fix that now |
| 21:35.38 | ojwb | also noticed the 2010 link goes via a redirect |
| 21:35.54 | ojwb | but that's not a big deal as it works |
| 21:37.36 | carols | ojwb: thanks again |
| 21:40.03 | ojwb | lfaraone: if you're thinking of applying twice to the same org, it's probably a good idea to discuss which is the better option with them |
| 21:40.15 | ojwb | at least for the non-umbrella orgs |
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| 21:41.24 | lfaraone | ojwb: I'm going to mentor this year, just some prospective students asked me about it. |
| 21:42.49 | ojwb | lfaraone: I gathered, but "if one is thinking [...]" sounds a bit formal |
| 21:45.13 | lfaraone | ojwb: just my style, beaten in through years of public schooling. :P |
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| 22:44.59 | LetterRip | I asked this in #melange, but maybe someone here knows |
| 22:45.05 | LetterRip | >hi all, any idea why i would get 'This link ID is in wrong format.' |
| 22:45.07 | LetterRip | <LetterRip>for the field Backup Admin (Link ID): |
| 22:45.08 | LetterRip | <LetterRip>it is exactly the same as my 2009 form |
| 22:47.16 | LetterRip | nevermind it looks like i had somehow added extra spaces |
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| 23:13.33 | bernardl | hey all, this is probably a FAQ item, but is there a way to sign up as mentor using google apps/hosted account? (i.e. not @gmail.com account)? |
| 23:14.15 | ojwb | you just need a google account AIUI |
| 23:14.43 | ojwb | so it can have any address associated with it (but melange gets unhappy if you change that address) |
| 23:15.23 | bernardl | hmm |
| 23:15.33 | bernardl | but is my hosted email account considered a "google account"? |
| 23:15.46 | bernardl | in theory it is, but i know that it usually doesn't work with logging into googlegroups, etc. |
| 23:16.10 | ojwb | i'd guess if you can't use it with other google sites you can't here |
| 23:16.20 | ojwb | but #melange is probably the place to ask |
| 23:16.25 | bernardl | ok, thanks |
| 23:16.43 | bernardl | i was hoping carols could give me a quick aye/nay :) |
| 23:17.09 | carols | bernardl: what's the question? |
| 23:17.38 | bernardl | carols: i have a hosted google account, is it possible to use that to sign up as mentor? |
| 23:17.43 | bernardl | it's not @gmail.com |
| 23:17.52 | carols | bernardl: on melange? |
| 23:18.16 | bernardl | yeah |
| 23:18.27 | bernardl | this link: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org_app/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/orgapp |
| 23:18.31 | carols | that's a question for SRabbelier|Lappy, not me :-) |
| 23:18.33 | bernardl | i click on "sign in" |
| 23:18.39 | bernardl | ah ok :) |
| 23:18.51 | bernardl | that's ok... i'd much rather keep all emails via the hosted account |
| 23:18.56 | bernardl | but if needed, i can use my gmail one |
| 23:19.04 | gevaerts | bernardl: it definitely doesn't need a gmail account |
| 23:19.22 | bernardl | gevaerts: when i put in my email/password, it says it's incorrect |
| 23:19.39 | gevaerts | I don't know if hosted accounts work |
| 23:19.44 | gevaerts | doesn't do google email at all |
| 23:19.52 | bernardl | gevaerts: what other accounts are there, besides @gmail.com? |
| 23:20.05 | gevaerts | google accounts? |
| 23:20.20 | bernardl | wait, so you said you don't need gmail account |
| 23:20.23 | bernardl | then what did you use then? |
| 23:20.38 | ojwb | a google account |
| 23:20.41 | gevaerts | My regular google account |
| 23:20.48 | gevaerts | Which doesn't do email (there) |
| 23:20.48 | bernardl | ah |
| 23:20.51 | bernardl | got it |
| 23:20.51 | ojwb | you should be able to create one with your hosted email address |
| 23:20.58 | ojwb | probably |
| 23:21.03 | gevaerts | Yes, I'd imagine so |
| 23:21.06 | bernardl | ojwb: doesn't work |
| 23:21.11 | ojwb | if your hosted account is a google account, then probably not |
| 23:21.22 | bernardl | when i log in with my hosted app credentials, it says its incorrect |
| 23:21.22 | ojwb | you can't create a google account with your hosted email address? |
| 23:21.29 | ojwb | that's not what I'm saying |
| 23:21.38 | gevaerts | bernardl: logging in != creating an account |
| 23:24.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | carols: hm? |
| 23:25.17 | carols | SRabbelier|Lappy: bernardl had a question |
| 23:25.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | bernardl: ah, I see your question now |
| 23:25.52 | bernardl | SRabbelier|Lappy: i'm curious if it's just because i haven't activated google apps? |
| 23:26.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | bernardl: if your domain has been converted to the new unified login thingy they're rolling out gradually, then you should be able to log in |
| 23:26.21 | bernardl | ok |
| 23:26.29 | bernardl | let me try that then, i'm looking into that now actually |
| 23:26.30 | bernardl | thanks! |
| 23:26.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | bernardl: if you can log in to any other appengine site, then melange should work as well |
| 23:26.58 | bernardl | just to confirm -- this is the same as "enabling google apps", right? because prior to that, i don't have that |
| 23:27.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | bernardl: I'm not sure, worth giving it a shot though? |
| 23:27.52 | bernardl | k |
| 23:27.53 | bernardl | thanks! |
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| 23:32.48 | bernardl | SRabbelier|Lappy: ok i just read the FAQ -- makes sense now, thanks! :) |
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| 23:33.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | bernardl: np! |
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