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| 10:00.39 | koda|work | umh the application page for organizations has not yet appeared, right? |
| 10:01.31 | |Kev| | !next |
| 10:01.32 | socinfo | |Kev|: "next" is February 28, 19:00 UTC: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google. |
| 10:01.40 | koda|work | :) |
| 10:02.02 | koda|work | and applications include list of ideas together with mentors, right? |
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| 10:03.15 | |Kev| | I've never filled out an application form for my org, but I believe the answer is 'yes and no'. |
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| 10:03.27 | |Kev| | You should have an ideas list, but I don't believe you have to specify mentors. |
| 10:03.36 | |Kev| | carols will obviously know, though. |
| 10:03.47 | koda|work | oh ok thanks |
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| 10:04.24 | |Kev| | Morning carols. |
| 10:04.42 | carols | good morning |Kev| |
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| 10:08.04 | thebolt | hi carols |
| 10:08.10 | carols | hi thebolt |
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| 10:13.14 | kai | morning people :) |
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| 10:16.19 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 10:17.34 | |Kev| | Morning kai. |
| 10:18.11 | dreimark | moin |
| 10:18.51 | |Kev| | Morning dreimark |
| 10:19.11 | |Kev| | Ok, I'll stop saying morning to everyone before the SNR gets too terrible. |
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| 10:33.24 | mlankhorst | moin moin |
| 10:33.28 | mlankhorst | too late |
| 10:34.26 | aghisla | hi there |
| 10:34.30 | mlankhorst | "with 0 signal, the SNR is 0" |
| 10:34.49 | |Kev| | Unless the noise is also 0. |
| 10:35.15 | mlankhorst | not really, then SNR would be undefined |
| 10:37.19 | |Kev| | mlankhorst: Exactly, which is different to 0. |
| 10:38.57 | gevaerts | really isn't used to see carols awake earlier than he is :) |
| 10:41.16 | carols | don't get used to it gevaerts :-) it only lasts until tomorrow |
| 10:42.54 | gevaerts | Ah, good! |
| 10:42.58 | gevaerts | likes normality :) |
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| 10:43.22 | mlankhorst | normality as in making the length of a vector 1? |
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| 10:43.45 | gevaerts | mlankhorst: I'm sure these things can be expressed in such terms, yes :) |
| 10:43.47 | carols | is going to barcelona for holiday this evening |
| 10:44.13 | |Kev| | Have fun. |
| 10:44.13 | gevaerts | Nice! |
| 10:44.30 | gevaerts | I hope it won't snow there |
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| 10:46.10 | carols | gevaerts: me too. |
| 10:46.15 | carols | thanks |Kev| |
| 10:46.54 | gevaerts | carols: normally it only snows there every twenty years or so, so you should be fine. It snowed when last year when I was there :) |
| 10:47.00 | |Kev| | I hoped it did ski on my recent holiday to Italy, and it didn't. |
| 10:47.15 | |Kev| | ski? |
| 10:47.16 | |Kev| | snow. |
| 10:47.22 | |Kev| | Too much work, too little sleep. |
| 10:47.39 | carols | gevaerts: do you have that sort of luck when visiting places for holiday a lot? |
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| 10:48.10 | gevaerts | carols: Not usually. I blame the lot of Finns that were also there for the same conference. |
| 10:48.51 | carols | gevaerts: ah, I see :-) |
| 10:48.54 | mlankhorst | :x |
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| 10:49.30 | gevaerts | carols: http://fotos.gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=136922&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
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| 10:50.25 | mlankhorst | that's spain? O_O |
| 10:50.33 | gevaerts | Yes. Barcelona in March |
| 10:50.47 | Guest2787 | hello |
| 10:51.02 | |Kev| | Guest2787: Hello. |
| 10:51.13 | Guest2787 | hi kev this is rajesh |
| 10:52.35 | Guest2787 | is there any chance of knowing the organisations and their ideas for Gsoc 2011 |
| 10:52.43 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 10:52.48 | |Kev| | As soon as that information exists. |
| 10:53.11 | Guest2787 | it will be available from march 18th right? |
| 10:53.32 | |Kev| | You could try looking at the GSoC 2010 organisations, and see if they have said they intend applying this year and published any ideas - but there's no guarantee they'll be accetped. |
| 10:53.39 | |Kev| | t<>p |
| 10:53.46 | Guest2787 | yeah |
| 10:54.37 | Guest2787 | are you a mentor or a student? |
| 10:56.24 | |Kev| | I was a student once, many years ago. I have since been mentor and admin in various combinations for a number of years. |
| 10:56.46 | Guest2787 | cool |
| 10:57.28 | Guest2787 | what are you mentoring for this summer? |
| 10:57.41 | Guest2787 | i mean what are your ideas? |
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| 10:59.27 | |Kev| | Ours is an umbrella org, and we haven't published a list of proposals from our projects yet. |
| 11:00.55 | Guest2787 | oh |
| 11:02.04 | Guest2787 | okay |
| 11:02.24 | Guest2787 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.31 | Guest2787 | c ya someother time |
| 11:02.33 | Guest2787 | bye |
| 11:02.58 | |Kev| | Goodbye. |
| 11:03.46 | Nightrose | |Kev|: which org are you with if i may ask? |
| 11:04.12 | |Kev| | XMPP Standards Foundation. |
| 11:04.21 | Nightrose | ah cool |
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| 11:33.24 | sri13 | Hi , where can i found c or c++ projects ? |
| 11:35.01 | Nightrose | sri13: look at the list of orgs from last year - they are tagged |
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| 11:35.03 | naeg | sri13: go to the gsoc 2010 page and search for c or c++ in the tag bar |
| 11:35.45 | sri13 | naeg: Nightrose: Thanks |
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| 13:18.44 | karni | !next |
| 13:18.44 | socinfo | karni: "next" is February 28, 19:00 UTC: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google. |
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| 13:27.43 | munir | @karni: I have not used IRC so much but is this the channel you ment to join? |
| 13:27.54 | karni | munir: indeed :) |
| 13:28.06 | karni | munir: I'm not around atm, but you can ask gsoc related questions here. |
| 13:28.07 | munir | ok great, thanks |
| 13:28.13 | karni | munir: also, you may want to goin ubuntu-gsoc |
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| 13:28.44 | shadeslayer | Hi, has Ubuntu applied as a mentoring organization this year? |
| 13:28.59 | karni | shadeslayer: fire at #ubuntu-gsoc |
| 13:29.06 | shadeslayer | karni: done |
| 13:29.07 | shadeslayer | :) |
| 13:29.13 | karni | shadeslayer: I'm pretty sure they will. |
| 13:29.42 | shadeslayer | well .... i was talking to Riddell ... and he didn't know, so just poking around for info |
| 13:29.46 | ojwb | nobody has applied yet - that starts on 28th |
| 13:29.55 | karni | ojwb: Indeed. |
| 13:30.08 | shadeslayer | ah indeed |
| 13:30.49 | karni | shadeslayer: dholbach was last years gsoc admin, you may try to catch him on freenode, or alternatively wait for when they apply ;) |
| 13:30.53 | shadeslayer | i was also looking for info on how many slots they got last year ... |
| 13:30.56 | karni | *ubuntu gsoc admin |
| 13:31.02 | karni | shadeslayer: 9 or 10. |
| 13:31.05 | shadeslayer | karni: ah ok, i'll just email him |
| 13:31.17 | karni | shadeslayer: I had luckily one of them. |
| 13:31.23 | shadeslayer | karni: ooh nice |
| 13:31.41 | karni | shadeslayer: feel free to ping me on #ubuntu-gsoc, I'll be back in few hrs. |
| 13:32.37 | shadeslayer | sure |
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| 14:09.34 | shadeslayer | karni: see the mail on the ubuntu soc mailing list |
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| 14:09.43 | shadeslayer | apparently they are :) |
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| 16:05.06 | elricL | why cant i talk in ubuntu-gsoc? |
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| 16:14.37 | karni | elricL: wow, that's strage. I'll report that immediately |
| 16:14.59 | elricL | Error : [21:33] [404] elricL #ubuntu-gsoc Cannot send to channel |
| 16:15.16 | karni | elricL: I have check that myself, you know ;) |
| 16:15.37 | elricL | karni: Just in case :D |
| 16:15.54 | karni | elricL: I'll e-mail daniel, he registered the channel. |
| 16:16.39 | elricL | sure. is there anyone else I can talk to about the ubuntu gsoc programs? |
| 16:17.08 | karni | elricL: what do you mean, mentors? organisations haven't even applied yet. |
| 16:17.14 | karni | elricL: what do you need to know? |
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| 16:18.52 | elricL | I would like to what kind of projects would be available,and what would be the skill set needed |
| 16:19.44 | downeym | elricL: Perhaps look at last year's projects. |
| 16:20.09 | karni | elricL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC |
| 16:20.17 | karni | elricL: you've got tons to read ;) |
| 16:21.05 | karni | elricL: do remember, however, that orgs haven't even applied yet, so it's quite early to ask any specific questions. |
| 16:22.36 | elricL | karni: I am not adverse to read at all,I love it.The thing that I dont love is not understanding half the stuff in the page. |
| 16:23.03 | karni | elricL: what don't you understand :) (PS I've e-mailed daniel about the irc channel) |
| 16:24.55 | elricL | karni: Its not so much as not understanding,but having no idea how to implement at all. |
| 16:25.22 | karni | elricL: The suggestions from the idea list you mean? |
| 16:25.33 | karni | elricL: * You mean the ideas list? |
| 16:26.04 | karni | elricL: certainly some coding experience is neccessary, but GSoC is about learning tons of new things. |
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| 16:26.45 | karni | elricL: You can also have your own suggestions for GSoC projects (*when* you already know Ubuntu has been accepted as an org) |
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| 16:27.03 | gevaerts | Trying to figure out how to implement something is half the fun! |
| 16:27.11 | karni | elricL: Knowing the community around particular areas is also a great boost of confidence |
| 16:27.16 | karni | gevaerts++ |
| 16:27.27 | gevaerts | is now one more :) |
| 16:27.32 | karni | chuckles |
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| 16:27.39 | elricL | karni: community around ? |
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| 16:28.04 | karni | elricL: do you have any idea what you'd like to challenge yourself with this summer? |
| 16:28.40 | karni | elricL: if it's something related to X, find people that code X or components related to X, and talk to them, ask questions, suggest, fix bugs. do whateevr you can. |
| 16:28.56 | elricL | karni: Actually yeah.I wanna implement streaming of my music playlist to my frnd,using Telepathy. |
| 16:29.05 | karni | elricL: and that way you'll raise your awareness of the project's needs or potential of your idea. |
| 16:29.14 | karni | elricL: interesting! |
| 16:29.25 | |Kev| | elricL: Stream the music itself, or the tracklist? |
| 16:29.25 | karni | elricL: then look for telepathy coders |
| 16:29.48 | |Kev| | That'd be a fun (and probably not difficult) project to do using two Jingle endpoints. |
| 16:29.49 | elricL | Stream the music itself using gstreamer i suppose |
| 16:29.52 | karni | |Kev|: I understand that as streaming music, but I may be wrong. (that's why I said, cool!) |
| 16:30.06 | |Kev| | Yeah, two Jingle endpoints and off you go, then. |
| 16:30.12 | |Kev| | XEP-0167 if memory serves |
| 16:30.21 | karni | elricL: â note that stuff down already ;) |
| 16:30.27 | |Kev| | (Which Telepethy already supports) |
| 16:30.36 | |Kev| | +spelling |
| 16:30.54 | elricL | I am logging everything :) |
| 16:31.44 | |Kev| | In fact, if you could get MuJi going, you could broadcast to a group of friends. |
| 16:32.10 | |Kev| | (And I know the telepathy guys are interested in Muji). |
| 16:32.24 | |Kev| | (Which is XEP-0272 I think) |
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| 16:33.02 | karni | elricL: there you go, sounds like a cool idea |
| 16:33.14 | elricL | May i ask,wat exactly is XEP ? |
| 16:33.24 | |Kev| | XMPP Extension Protocol. |
| 16:33.32 | elricL | but then |
| 16:33.58 | elricL | it would be limited to that protocol right? |
| 16:34.26 | |Kev| | Depends how you wrote the Telepathy code, surely. |
| 16:34.30 | karni | elricL: you should read a little about that ;) |
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| 16:34.34 | |Kev| | I'm just giving you the standards-based option. |
| 16:34.54 | elricL | So,brutal truth, Gsoc worthy idea? |
| 16:35.10 | |Kev| | It sounds fun to me. |
| 16:35.22 | |Kev| | But the Telepathy guys would know whether it was hard enough to be worthwhile. |
| 16:35.42 | |Kev| | The inclusion of Muji could amke it fun. |
| 16:35.49 | |Kev| | realigns fingers |
| 16:37.36 | elricL | Windows media player has this media streaming feature,and i thought it would be great if lets say rythmbox also gets it. |
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| 16:38.39 | |Kev| | I'd have thought a generic standards-based media streaming thing would be quite fun. |
| 16:39.03 | |Kev| | +between friends |
| 16:39.24 | karni | elricL: my friend once streamed a party music to my place from his server using.. mpd I think. |
| 16:39.54 | |Kev| | Oh, music streaming certainly already exists. |
| 16:41.06 | elricL | This is what i meant by scared by stuff. :( Too many new stuff that i havent heard of. |
| 16:41.28 | karni | elricL: dude, I suggested an Android app having no knowledge about Android haha |
| 16:42.07 | karni | elricL: I mean, certainly as soon as I got the idea I started digging the APIs, but the point is - you'll learn tons of new stuff. |
| 16:42.36 | karni | elricL: That's what GSoC is about. Challenge, learning, fun. |
| 16:42.40 | |Kev| | Well, there's a lot of documentation about XMPP etc. |
| 16:42.45 | |Kev| | Plus I know a good book ;) |
| 16:43.16 | elricL | Am one of the judges without ever touching sdk. :P .http://www.pragyan.org/11/home/events/openit/droido/ |
| 16:43.46 | elricL | karni: Already participated in gsoc? |
| 16:43.54 | karni | elricL: yup! |
| 16:44.46 | elricL | karni: What was your project? |
| 16:45.07 | karni | elricL: AndroidU1, Ubuntu One storage access on Android |
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| 16:46.21 | karni | elricL: cool link you have there, thanks |
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| 16:56.33 | elricL | karni: Np man. |
| 16:56.44 | karni | elricL: no problem :D? |
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| 16:57.10 | karni | the acronym, I mean ;) |
| 16:57.13 | elricL | yeah.And did I mention I am the judge :D. |
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| 16:58.00 | karni | ah oh for the link, right |
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| 17:18.29 | elricL | Ah,seems like the idea is already implemented :/ |
| 17:19.02 | gevaerts | Surely that's good? :) |
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| 17:23.58 | elricL | Now I have to think of a new idea :| . Which is not good. |
| 17:24.08 | elricL | I really really want this internship. |
| 17:24.57 | dberkholz | try getting in touch with the people at the project you want to work on |
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| 18:38.20 | sae | hello, hum, how are the odds to get taken, with two years of computer science studies? |
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| 18:42.26 | |Kev| | sae: Depends entirely on the quality of your application. |
| 18:42.51 | |Kev| | (Which includes your interaction with the community) |
| 18:43.02 | sae | |Kev|, yeah, but is there some information, like how many people apply, and how many people get chosen? |
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| 18:43.33 | |Kev| | I believe those data exist, but I would have to Google for them, same as you. |
| 18:43.50 | sae | because I have to start thinking about applying for a summer job ^^' |
| 18:44.37 | censorydep | sae, I think Kev is recommending being as self-sufficient as you can, and only relying on the community for things that don't have answers in a FAQ or other documentation. (and sorry Kev, if I've spoken for you) |
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| 18:44.45 | gevaerts | sae: with a poor application, you won't get in. With a good application, you have a decent chance. Unfortunately there are no statistics on the number of good applications |
| 18:45.03 | |Kev| | censorydep: :) |
| 18:45.48 | sae | okay thanks |
| 18:46.22 | |Kev| | Although I'd stress that doesn't mean not interacting with the community! |
| 18:46.24 | |Kev| | Interaction is good :) |
| 18:47.34 | |Kev| | I'll give you a freebie of http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics though. |
| 18:48.05 | censorydep | You're welcome. One of the *goals* of GSOC is to get new-to-CSc coders in touch with folks who need their help. So, if you put your best foot forward, I think you'll be fine. :-) |
| 18:52.32 | sae | censorydep, yeah but my mother is kind of a control freak x). So it will be really hard for me to convince her on not searching a job for the summer =s. |
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| 18:58.33 | censorydep | fair enough. :-) I hope the timing works out for you. And if not, I hope you'll consider it next summer. |
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| 19:10.42 | dberkholz | sae: well, tell her this is an internship you're applying for like any other... |
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| 19:11.19 | dberkholz | you probably should hedge your bets and keep some other options open, there's no guarantee you'll get it. |
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| 19:12.00 | sae | dberkholz, it's hard to keep an option open =p. |
| 19:12.07 | sae | it's already hard to get an option |
| 19:13.46 | dberkholz | if you're concerned about having nothing, you might want to consider finding another internship with similarly late deadlines, or just committing to an early one. |
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| 19:14.30 | dberkholz | do other options generally have deadlines that are a few months earlier? |
| 19:14.47 | dberkholz | maybe we can shift the gsoc timeline to be more compatible with them in the future. |
| 19:14.48 | sae | dberkholz, other option are working in the factory, and then the earlier the better |
| 19:15.06 | dberkholz | you mean there are no other programming internships in the world that you're eligible for? |
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| 19:15.16 | sae | I have no idea =s |
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