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| 00:39.18 | thebolt | morning |
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| 01:38.55 | thebolt | hello lh |
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| 01:52.25 | lh | thebolt: hey! how are you? |
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| 01:54.32 | thebolt | lh: pretty good, doing the only fun kind of accounting there is (sending invoices).. although, they are remodelling the apartment below me so the drillhammers have been working hard since 9am (an hour ago) |
| 01:54.38 | thebolt | lh: how about you? |
| 01:54.51 | lh | thebolt: doing very well thank you. |
| 01:55.16 | lh | lots of fun stuff happening at the OSL, moving into Portland proper soon |
| 01:56.08 | thebolt | nice |
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| 03:42.51 | sumzup | how competitive is the student application process? |
| 03:47.25 | ojwb | sumzup: fairly |
| 03:47.55 | ojwb | something like 3 times as many students apply as there are places |
| 03:48.03 | sumzup | huh |
| 03:48.03 | ojwb | though there are a lot of terrible applications |
| 03:48.25 | ojwb | so if yours isn't terrible, it's not as bad as that sounds |
| 03:48.59 | sumzup | and just to clarify, I come up with my own proposal that a mentoring organization will then evaluate |
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| 03:49.38 | ojwb | yes, often based on an idea from their list, but it doesn't have to be |
| 03:49.51 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 03:49.51 | socinfo` | ojwb: Error: "numapps" is not a valid command. |
| 03:50.04 | ojwb | lost in the socinfo restart I guess |
| 03:50.30 | sumzup | oh, they submit a list of possible projects? |
| 03:50.40 | sumzup | interesting |
| 03:52.38 | ojwb | socinfo: learn numapps as In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by students (we don't currently know how many unique students applied), and 1026 were accepted |
| 03:52.50 | ojwb | socinfo`: learn numapps as In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by students (we don't currently know how many unique students applied), and 1026 were accepted |
| 03:52.51 | socinfo` | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:54.12 | ojwb | sumzup: http://www.google.com/search?q=gsoc+ideas+list |
| 03:54.44 | sumzup | thanks |
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| 05:03.29 | sbshah | Hello guys! |
| 05:04.03 | sbshah | I am trying to get into some interesting open source projects and a friend recommended I look at GSOC |
| 05:04.43 | sbshah | I am just reading through the FAQ and the timeline now, anything else I should kinda know? |
| 05:06.52 | sbshah | but I also have this inner doubt, I looked at the past projects and get the feeling I am not a competent enough or a good enough programmer |
| 05:10.28 | sbshah | anyone? |
| 05:10.48 | ojwb | sbshah: there's quite a range of previous experience |
| 05:11.29 | ojwb | just be honest and make sure you don't end up trying to do a project which is too far beyond your reach |
| 05:12.14 | sbshah | thanks, I think that's good advice. |
| 05:30.22 | araujo | sbshah, but also, don't be afraid, one of the purpose of the gsoc is also to "learn" , you even have a period for researching, be open to learn new things on the way |
| 05:30.43 | araujo | if you just focus on what you already know to do, you will be very limited |
| 05:31.16 | sbshah | yes, exactly, I want to push myself, but not so much that I end up failing |
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| 05:32.07 | araujo | do find a field of your interest, to keep your motivation for learning new things, and I am sure you won't fail |
| 05:33.10 | sbshah | araujo: thanks for the motivation and tips |
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| 06:01.36 | chandan_kumar | NZxcvbc, |
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| 06:14.12 | kblin | chandan_kumar: that might have been a good password, but not anymore :D |
| 06:15.44 | chandan_kumar | i donot understand what you want to say? |
| 06:16.30 | chandan_kumar | kblin, : |
| 06:16.53 | chandan_kumar | kblin, :what is about the password? |
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| 06:17.38 | sbshah | [22:01:33] <chandan_kumar> NZxcvbc, |
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| 06:41.15 | kblin | what sbshah said :) |
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| 06:44.44 | Cosmopolitan | agreed |
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| 11:40.10 | kai | ahrg |
| 11:40.29 | kai | running perl and python on windows is painful |
| 11:42.44 | |Kev| | I don't find Python on Windows terribly painful - slow, but things seem to mostly work. |
| 11:43.37 | kai | I'm trying to subprocess.popen a perl script and I'm getting "not a valid win32 executable" |
| 11:43.53 | kai | works flawlessly on a real OS |
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| 11:45.25 | kai | right, the hashbang line doesn't work |
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| 13:31.25 | jrabbit | kai: I guess try to get the full path to the perl interpreter? |
| 13:31.53 | jrabbit | kai: have you tried the powershell btw? |
| 13:32.02 | jrabbit | Might make windows a little less painful |
| 13:36.19 | kai | jrabbit: on possibly XP? |
| 13:36.45 | jrabbit | kai: I think you can. also you can try and use bash from some project |
| 13:36.48 | kai | probably a big part of the users I'm trying to do this for will run XP |
| 13:37.04 | kai | and don't want to know what a shell is |
| 13:37.49 | kai | also, given that I use the popen call that doesn't go via the shell so I don't need to worry about escaping the arguments, I doubt the shell makes a difference |
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| 13:51.48 | jrabbit | kai: oh you're trying to wrap it nvm |
| 13:52.02 | jrabbit | I was just thinking if you were only trying to make it work it'd be easier :P |
| 13:52.53 | kai | I'm just trying to make it work, but "it" is a bit more complex :) |
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| 13:58.50 | joxer | carols ping |
| 13:59.02 | carols | joxer: pong |
| 13:59.38 | joxer | carols do you know when our prizes will be shipped for the last google code in contest? |
| 13:59.51 | carols | joxer: yes, they're shipping now |
| 14:00.15 | joxer | oh cool, i was waiting a mail from google for the accepting of forms |
| 14:00.23 | joxer | so ok, thanks :) |
| 14:00.26 | carols | yw |
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| 14:10.19 | Ivanovic | carols: are there/will there be GCI t-shirts for admins/mentors? |
| 14:10.23 | carols | Ivanovic: yes |
| 14:10.32 | Ivanovic | cool |
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| 14:10.39 | Ivanovic | any estimates when they are likely to ship? |
| 14:10.51 | carols | Ivanovic: they are shipping. |
| 14:10.54 | Ivanovic | ah, cool |
| 14:12.17 | Ivanovic | carols: regarding projects that we recommend/vouch for, how many can be added per application? |
| 14:12.38 | Ivanovic | there seem to be several possible candidates that we (wesnoth) consider supporting |
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| 14:12.57 | carols | Ivanovic: you can "vouch" fo multiple orgs. just instruct them to list you as a reference on their app. |
| 14:13.05 | Ivanovic | eg eoc` read the mail i sent to the wesnoth ml and asked us if we would consider supporting unknown worlds |
| 14:13.19 | carols | Ivanovic: you can also list multiple orgs to vouch for on your app |
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| 14:13.37 | Ivanovic | (hey, there are so many open source projects out there, including many "not well known" games, that we might find "a lot" to support) |
| 14:13.58 | carols | Ivanovic: fine by me |
| 14:14.22 | Ivanovic | carols: just to get a good idea about the stuff: what does it mean when a project vouches for another one? |
| 14:14.33 | |Kev| | You offer to pay the stipends :D |
| 14:14.39 | Ivanovic | does it basically mean that the projects thinks that the supported one is worth to be considered? |
| 14:14.54 | Ivanovic | that they do their work, are likely to do a good job with the students and such? |
| 14:15.05 | carols | Ivanovic: yes. |
| 14:15.14 | Ivanovic | does it mean that you are willing to "tutor" the org in what it means to participate in gsoc? |
| 14:22.02 | carols | Ivanovic: the tutoring will be done on the GSoC Veterans and Newbies list, not left to just one org but to all the people who are on the list |
| 14:22.16 | Ivanovic | okay |
| 14:22.42 | Ivanovic | otherwise it would be a case of "be careful not to list too many, or you might drown in the work mentoring/tutoring the new orgs" |
| 14:22.46 | |Kev| | Oh, I'd failed to know about such a list :) |
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| 14:23.27 | carols | |Kev|: I sent a susbscription request to the mentors list a couple weeks ago. all newbie org admins and mentors will be sent an invite after we've announced accepted orgs. |
| 14:23.30 | kai | |Kev|: gsoc-mentor reading fail? :) |
| 14:23.43 | |Kev| | kai: It does seem that way, yes. |
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| 14:24.04 | |Kev| | carols: Interesting, I'll have to check my gmail settings to see how I could have missed that. |
| 14:24.32 | carols | |Kev|: I've even started prepending all important emails with [Announce], so you have no excuses :-) |
| 14:24.46 | |Kev| | Oh, because gmail has squelched gsoc out of my active labels list, so I didn't see the unread mails. |
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| 14:25.25 | |Kev| | Fixed, thanks. |
| 14:30.09 | |Kev| | Your request to join is pending and has not yet been approved by the group manager. |
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| 14:35.27 | |Kev| | carols: Thanks (assuming that was you). |
| 14:36.08 | carols | yw |
| 14:36.26 | carols | |Kev|: i'm the only GSoC person, so generally you can assume it was me :-) |
| 14:36.59 | gevaerts | always blames carols first when things happen :) |
| 14:38.23 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-P |
| 14:38.30 | gevaerts | You're welcome :) |
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| 15:41.10 | kai | wow, cool stuff |
| 15:41.25 | kai | packaging python for opensuse is really easy |
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| 15:41.44 | kai | even less hassle than packaging perl packages |
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| 15:42.24 | Ivanovic | loves packaging for pandora |
| 15:42.49 | Ivanovic | just running a tiny script and you get a compressed squashfs that a user just places in the correct folder on the sdcard to have it work |
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| 15:43.46 | kai | Ivanovic: so you finally got the hardware? |
| 15:43.52 | Ivanovic | kai: for ages already! |
| 15:44.18 | Ivanovic | even managed to have it included in the wesdem group photo! http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=48633&mode=view |
| 15:44.19 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:45.06 | Ivanovic | i have my pandora since july and yeah, it works nicely |
| 15:45.12 | |Kev| | I really should play more Wesnoth. |
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| 20:24.19 | timotei21 | you're kidding me. just today Adam posted that thread, and the dumb questions come again xD |
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| 20:27.42 | eoc | sir what is a dum queszion |
| 20:27.44 | eoc | (-, |
| 20:28.01 | timotei21 | lol |
| 20:28.02 | timotei21 | xD |
| 20:28.17 | downeym | How to ask questions the smart way: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 20:29.05 | timotei21 | downeym: don't make me get ideas for responses... or I may get banned from the list :)) |
| 20:29.32 | eoc | heh I also won't try my luck on that particular one |
| 20:30.17 | timotei21 | I hate it too when we are "said" sir or so |
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| 20:47.14 | dotnick | So.. we have new contestants |
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| 20:53.18 | timotei21 | dotnick: yeah |
| 20:54.33 | dotnick | has it always been like that? during the previous years? |
| 20:55.17 | dhaun | people asking questions that are answered in the FAQ? that's normal |
| 20:55.35 | |Kev| | Not reading the FAQ bothers me far more than being called Sir. |
| 20:57.02 | dotnick | Even if you could justify people not reading the archives, how could someone justify not reading the recent posts? |
| 20:57.09 | dhaun | do support (in open source or professionally) and you get used to it :) |
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| 20:57.27 | dberkholz | these are people who don't necessarily know anything about mailing lists and may have never heard of an FAQ before |
| 20:57.33 | |Kev| | dotnick: Well, I managed to lose the whole mentors list, and not notice :) |
| 20:58.36 | dberkholz | my thought is that if something is important, it should be documented on the site rather than periodically posting it to a mailing list and hoping people saw it last time |
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| 20:59.10 | |Kev| | dberkholz: I think most things are on the site (in the FAQ) aren't they? |
| 20:59.19 | dotnick | but all the topics are available in the gsoc website in a forum-like page |
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| 21:00.07 | dberkholz | i don't think it covers basic oss behavior like mailing-list etiquette |
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| 22:02.31 | kusa | hi all |
| 22:02.46 | kusa | i'm actually student in Limoges |
| 22:03.34 | kusa | i want to participate to gsoc for Gnome Project |
| 22:03.52 | kusa | but i don't find anything about it |
| 22:03.52 | kusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.56 | kusa | someone can help me? |
| 22:04.23 | gevaerts | what do you mean by not finding anything? What exactly are you looking for? |
| 22:04.25 | thiago_home | gnome should participate again this year, they've been in all editions |
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| 22:05.48 | kusa | i search ideas or purpose my idea |
| 22:06.09 | kusa | but i found nothing on http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode |
| 22:06.43 | timotei | kusa: actually there are PLENTLY of information there |
| 22:06.46 | gevaerts | You're probably just too early |
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| 22:07.11 | gevaerts | But yes, information from previous years will still be useful |
| 22:07.23 | timotei | kusa: what nothing you found? |
| 22:07.38 | timotei | kusa: or, like gevaerts asked, what exactly are you looking for? |
| 22:09.29 | kusa | i think too |
| 22:09.30 | kusa | :) |
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| 22:10.07 | timotei | ? |
| 22:11.48 | kusa | i search some information on how can i participate in gsoc into gnome project |
| 22:12.28 | kusa | i look from previous year |
| 22:12.45 | timotei | ok |
| 22:12.50 | kusa | but i want to know if 2011 we have new project/idea |
| 22:13.00 | kusa | or if we use the previous ideas |
| 22:13.06 | gevaerts | There probably will be |
| 22:13.07 | timotei | kusa: you should check the timeline |
| 22:13.17 | timotei | kusa: maybe gnome would not even participate |
| 22:13.19 | timotei | or get accepted |
| 22:13.21 | gevaerts | But those won't be finalised yet |
| 22:13.42 | thiago_home | kusa: you can submit any idea you want |
| 22:13.48 | timotei | kusa: anyway you should go on their IRC and discuss things :) |
| 22:13.55 | thiago_home | last yeaar's idea list is a very good place to start |
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| 22:14.49 | kusa | on their IRC, they say me it will be here soon |
| 22:15.06 | timotei | kusa: who will be here soon?xD |
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| 22:17.16 | kusa | i'm not very clear i think |
| 22:17.30 | kusa | they say me, ideas will be publish soon |
| 22:18.04 | dhaun | kusa: as has already been said, you're a bit early - orgs interested in participating can't even apply yet and the final list will only be published on March 18 |
| 22:18.08 | gevaerts | Yes, that sounds reasonable |
| 22:18.41 | timotei | kusa: the only thing you can do, is take a look at previous year ideas. and maybe study the code/bugs on the code you'd like to work |
| 22:18.55 | timotei | kusa: because like everybody said, it's TOO early. way too early. |
| 22:19.04 | kusa | :) |
| 22:19.11 | kusa | i don't want to miss this opportunity |
| 22:19.29 | dhaun | nothing wrong with starting early, but you need to cut the orgs some slack at this point ... |
| 22:21.12 | timotei | kusa: you surely won't miss it |
| 22:21.46 | timotei | kusa: there are many of students that were successful and didn't even check/know the organization they will work for. |
| 22:22.03 | timotei | they just browsed the list after march 18 |
| 22:22.05 | timotei | and that's all:) |
| 22:22.33 | kusa | ok i'll do it ;) |
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| 22:23.58 | kusa | thanks a lot for help |
| 22:25.12 | kamikaza | can anyone recomend some projects for programmer with very good knowladge of Java ? |
| 22:25.37 | kusa | android ^^ |
| 22:25.43 | timotei | kamikaza: no. You are the only one who knows better what you know |
| 22:26.07 | Michitux | kusa: if you want to get started you could probably start reading the code of gnome, fixing bugs etc. - that way you'll have a better understanding how you can implement certain features and get familiar with the gnome community |
| 22:26.08 | timotei | kamikaza: read this: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/7b0d81bc5ce0a275?hl=en |
| 22:27.01 | kusa | take a look on the project who's present on 2009 |
| 22:27.25 | kamikaza | thx |
| 22:27.30 | kusa | Michitux, i've already work with gnome but not at this level |
| 22:27.58 | kusa | just do some little bug fix |
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