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| 06:16.57 | cmast | Had a query regarding Gsoc -- I am an Indian citizen, but may be in Germany for a few weeks during the GSoC period, doing an internship which pays a stipend. There is no problem regarding the time available, as the internship will only take about 2 hours per day. But, will there be any issues regarding the visa,etc..? |
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| 06:42.41 | kai | cmast: depends on the terms of the visa? |
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| 08:26.05 | Pharaoh2 | Hey, what criteria the companies to take for a students who has no previsous work experience? |
| 08:26.19 | thiago_home | what companies? |
| 08:26.36 | thiago_home | are you asking about getting a job after GSoC? |
| 08:26.46 | Pharaoh2 | no... as in a project in gsoc |
| 08:26.55 | Pharaoh2 | the organizations that take in the student |
| 08:27.00 | thiago_home | there are very few companies in GSoC |
| 08:27.03 | thiago_home | organisations are better |
| 08:27.18 | thiago_home | ask the org of your choosing. The criteria are up to them. |
| 08:27.31 | Pharaoh2 | ok |
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| 08:34.07 | Ivanovic | Pharaoh2: in general most orgs will not rely much on CVs (if at all!) |
| 08:34.32 | Pharaoh2 | then what will they check? |
| 08:34.36 | Ivanovic | Pharaoh2: they rely on how your proposal sounds, how you interact with the orgs while working on finetuning the proposal and possibly how code samples of you look |
| 08:34.57 | Ivanovic | (of course samples in form of patches against their code are what most projects prefer) |
| 08:35.07 | Pharaoh2 | hmm, |
| 08:35.31 | Pharaoh2 | but i haven't really done any coding for an open project, only spoj and such |
| 08:35.36 | thiago_home | the objective of GSoC is to create contributors to open source |
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| 08:35.43 | thiago_home | so previous experience is not required |
| 08:35.57 | thiago_home | the objective is to give you the first experience and make you be an open source contributor |
| 08:36.12 | Ivanovic | Pharaoh2: during the time you write your proposal you can also have a look at their feature requests and bugs and submit some smaller things |
| 08:36.18 | Ivanovic | Pharaoh2: those are code samples |
| 08:36.45 | pygi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.50 | pygi | :( |
| 08:36.53 | pygi | so no cookies?! |
| 08:36.54 | pygi | :( |
| 08:37.03 | thiago_home | has never got cookies |
| 08:37.06 | Ivanovic | Pharaoh2: in a worst case you could also provide some code snippets from stuff you worked on *no idea when* |
| 08:37.06 | Pharaoh2 | oh nice |
| 08:37.07 | thiago_home | t-shirts, however... |
| 08:37.21 | pygi | thiago_home: got tons from LH |
| 08:37.22 | thiago_home | 2010 was the first year I didn't get one |
| 08:37.23 | pygi | cocoa too! |
| 08:37.32 | thiago_home | has all of them from 2005-2009 |
| 08:37.38 | pygi | doesnt have the 2005 :( |
| 08:37.39 | Ivanovic | the idea behind the code snippets and sample code is that the org is more confident in you having some basic knowledge in the language that you will be using for the project |
| 08:37.41 | thiago_home | including the Summit ones |
| 08:37.50 | pygi | send me the 2005 one? :P |
| 08:38.14 | thiago_home | Pharaoh2: orgs will be looking for indications that a) you can perform the work that you're proposing and b) you're likely to stick around after that |
| 08:38.18 | Ivanovic | only has one summit shirt and cheated with the older gsoc shirts by just grabbing them at the summit |
| 08:38.25 | thiago_home | a third criterion is whether the project you proposed is useful |
| 08:38.35 | pygi | Ivanovic: ha, cool! |
| 08:38.46 | pygi | next time grab one for me? :P |
| 08:38.51 | pygi | tho I might mentor this year |
| 08:38.57 | Pharaoh2 | hmm, I only every need some one who could point me in the right directiomn |
| 08:39.00 | pygi | rather than code something |
| 08:39.02 | Ivanovic | pygi: depends on various factors |
| 08:39.11 | thiago_home | Ivanovic: I had to grab one in the summit that I was rightfully entitled to but never arrived :-) |
| 08:39.21 | Ivanovic | stuff like "is wesnoth accepted in gsoc" as well as "will i be one of the deligates" |
| 08:39.31 | Ivanovic | thiago_home: hehe, good one, too |
| 08:39.49 | pygi | Ivanovic: how did it turn out for u folks last year? |
| 08:40.03 | thiago_home | if you pay for your own trip and there's room in the summit (at google, not the hotel), then you'll probably be allowed in |
| 08:40.16 | thiago_home | there was one year we sent 6 people, 4 of them not paid by google |
| 08:40.54 | Ivanovic | thiago_home: you know, i am from europe and (at this very moment) still a student myself |
| 08:41.05 | Ivanovic | so it is unlikely that i'll get me such a trip |
| 08:41.16 | thiago_home | yeah |
| 08:41.33 | thiago_home | in our case, the 4 of us were actually paid by our company, and because we had other business in the area |
| 08:41.39 | thiago_home | 2 other conferences to go to and present |
| 08:41.40 | Ivanovic | (plus i might have started working by the time that the summit takes place and if you are new in a job for just some month it might not be possible (time wise) to go) |
| 08:42.04 | Pharaoh2 | do orgs prefer students in their own time zone? |
| 08:42.14 | thiago_home | Pharaoh2: depends on the org, but I would guess not |
| 08:42.21 | Ivanovic | Pharaoh2: the orgs are often split over various time zones |
| 08:42.32 | thiago_home | timezone has never been a problem for open source |
| 08:42.34 | Ivanovic | so it is usually possible to somehow coordinate stuff |
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| 08:42.47 | Dark_Shikari | Timezone is mostly meaningless. |
| 08:42.51 | Dark_Shikari | What kind of hacker has a normal sleep schedule? |
| 08:42.57 | thiago_home | heh, yeah |
| 08:43.10 | thiago_home | it's hard enough to coordinate with some of my work colleagues who work in the same *office* |
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| 09:14.42 | thebolt | timezones can be a bitch though.. our two-man company is split by an 8 hour timezone difference.. makes some stuff a bit painful |
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| 11:54.26 | ojwb | I guess it's no longer today here... |
| 11:54.44 | ojwb | ah, an explicit top level domain shows it |
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| 18:56.07 | carols | serves tea and cookies |
| 18:56.16 | gevaerts | Yay! |
| 18:56.23 | gevaerts | drinks some tea |
| 18:57.04 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 18:57.13 | gevaerts | Good morning! |
| 18:57.15 | gevaerts | (for you) |
| 18:57.19 | gevaerts | (more or less) |
| 18:58.03 | gevaerts | remembers that he was going to send an email to someone who can tell students about gsoc... |
| 18:59.55 | dberkholz | hmm, i should stop by the local U and try to find relevant people. |
| 19:00.06 | dberkholz | lots of bioinformatics types there, anyone need one? |
| 19:00.51 | gevaerts | Mine would be three-year-program (bachelor? I can never remember the names) students |
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| 19:09.43 | karni | gevaerts: indeed, bachelor [of science] |
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| 19:19.50 | gevaerts | wishes he were good at writing emails about gsoc... He can't even decide which level of formality is required! |
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| 19:31.29 | wolfb | carols, good timing. I just had dinner :) |
| 19:31.39 | carols | wolfb: awesome :-) |
| 19:32.01 | carols | wolfb: how's the job? :-) |
| 19:32.54 | kblin | dberkholz: I guess I can't enter with my work project yet |
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| 19:34.01 | kblin | we're not quite published :) |
| 19:34.34 | wolfb | carols, awesome :) |
| 19:34.41 | carols | wolfb: so glad to hear it! |
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| 19:35.07 | wolfb | Every day I'm likin it more :) |
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| 19:36.57 | kblin | wolfb: so google got you, too? don't tell me you're on the maps team ;) |
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| 19:37.25 | lgoal | hi 2 all |
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| 19:38.46 | wolfb | kblin, close I'm a Geo TSE ;) |
| 19:40.14 | kblin | whatever that is |
| 19:40.34 | kblin | :) |
| 19:43.06 | kblin | anyway, salsa course starting soon, got to get going |
| 19:44.26 | wolfb | kblin, you can say I work with Google Maps and Earth :) |
| 19:44.54 | gevaerts | with or on? :) |
| 19:45.03 | gevaerts | has worked with those! |
| 19:45.22 | kblin | well, probably not my favourite job, but I guess that's what you like doing, so congrats :) |
| 19:45.52 | kblin | too bad the best job at google is already taken, though ;) |
| 19:46.10 | kblin | points at carols :) |
| 19:46.19 | wolfb | thanks kblin! I love it :) |
| 19:46.20 | kblin | anyhow, got to catch a bus |
| 19:46.28 | kblin | takes a big mousetra |
| 19:46.29 | kblin | p |
| 19:46.36 | gevaerts | What will you do with that bus when you have it? |
| 19:46.36 | carols | aw thanks kblin :-) |
| 19:46.40 | carols | loves her job |
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| 19:47.00 | gevaerts | considers grilled bus, but he really isn't convinced! |
| 19:47.10 | carols | mmm grilled bus |
| 19:47.12 | carols | yummy petrol |
| 19:47.28 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 19:47.47 | wolfb | not to mention runny rubber tires! |
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| 19:53.35 | gevaerts | There, email sent. Hopefully some more students will learn about gsoc now |
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| 20:00.22 | carols | thank you gevaerts! |
| 20:01.16 | gevaerts | carols: I'm sure you can use a few more students mailing you with all sorts of issues :) |
| 20:01.23 | carols | gevaerts: always :-) |
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| 20:13.29 | lgoal | im planning this could be my first gsoc, im checking the last gsoc 2010 accepted org's and research on his feature requests and ideas list |
| 20:13.39 | lgoal | any advice? |
| 20:15.17 | carols | lgoal: have you read the FAQs and the timeline as noted in the channel's topic? |
| 20:16.01 | lgoal | i have read some official doc's with tips for students |
| 20:16.17 | dotnick | lgoal: You can contact the organization and ask for information |
| 20:16.18 | carols | lgoal: great, then you are good to go |
| 20:17.24 | Michitux | lgoal: or any other opensource project you like and ask if they will apply for gsoc |
| 20:17.51 | dotnick | carols: I was wondering; do you have any *rough* numbers on applications:accepted students? |
| 20:18.08 | carols | dotnick: last year it was about 5,000:1,000 |
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| 20:18.27 | carols | roughly |
| 20:18.37 | dotnick | carols: thanks, doesn't sound that bad |
| 20:18.45 | carols | nope, doesn't sound bad at all |
| 20:18.57 | dotnick | I was thinking more like 25:1 |
| 20:19.20 | carols | dotnick: i would love to get 25,000 applications this year. any suggestions on how? |
| 20:19.52 | dotnick | thinks that less suggestions = more chances for him :) |
| 20:20.11 | dotnick | Kidding |
| 20:20.13 | carols | dotnick: i see :-) |
| 20:20.42 | dotnick | I could try to spread the word, do you have any flyers? |
| 20:20.58 | carols | dotnick: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 20:22.43 | Michitux | I don't know any statistics how many countries are concerned by that problem, but at least here in germany we have lectures till july 15 which makes participating at gsoc pretty much impossible if you take studying seriously |
| 20:22.45 | Nightrose | carols: accept facebook again and have them announce it everywhere ;-) |
| 20:22.56 | gevaerts | got a reply saying that the information would be sent on to the students |
| 20:23.01 | dotnick | Great I 'll do what I can. I would volunteer to do a translation but it's already been translated in my native. |
| 20:23.54 | carols | Nightrose: that assumes they apply again this year :-) |
| 20:24.07 | Nightrose | jep |
| 20:24.26 | carols | Nightrose: we doing a ghc proposal? we should revive that thread |
| 20:24.43 | Nightrose | carols: hmmm indeed - i was thinking about that earlier today |
| 20:24.52 | Nightrose | do you remember how much time we have left? |
| 20:24.59 | carols | Nightrose: i think we should assume cat's out and probably forge ahead on our own |
| 20:25.02 | carols | i think until march? |
| 20:25.19 | Nightrose | i will check |
| 20:26.03 | Michitux | so making the coding time go from july 15 till october 15 might be an idea for getting other students in the future, or perhaps even make it more flexible so students can choose when it fits best for them |
| 20:26.51 | Nightrose | carols: "Submissions deadline: March 15, 2011" - i will be in india starting 8th of march until 13th - so we should get it done before that if possible |
| 20:27.06 | lgoal | carols, dotnick, Michitux: thanks |
| 20:27.14 | Nightrose | Michitux: yes - it's always a problem :( |
| 20:27.21 | gevaerts | Michitux: there's only one carols (although I refuse to state my opinion on whether that is good or bad!) |
| 20:27.23 | Nightrose | unfortunately it's quite hard to make it more flexible |
| 20:27.28 | Nightrose | both for google and orgs |
| 20:28.40 | Nightrose | carols: i prepared a doc already iirc - i will see if i can write something in the next days |
| 20:29.34 | carols | Nightrose: great, thank you. sounds like we have a little time but we should get moving on it :-) |
| 20:29.43 | Nightrose | yes |
| 20:31.41 | Michitux | do you have any statistics on the different education systems when they have their more or less free periods? |
| 20:33.02 | dotnick | Are you guys thinking of moving the dates? |
| 20:33.40 | Michitux | I'm just wondering if it would make sense at all |
| 20:33.53 | Michitux | i.e. make sense to suggest it |
| 20:35.14 | Michitux | or if it is different in every country anyway or if the current dates are already ideal |
| 20:35.35 | Michitux | (in the sense of you get the maximum number of students) |
| 20:41.05 | dotnick | October might be a bit too late IMO, considering most UK universities' classes begin late September |
| 20:41.58 | dotnick | How about just extending the period instead of moving the dates? That way students can begin working later (classes,exams) and still have a chance to complete their project |
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| 20:43.45 | Michitux | but I guess this involves just too many problems, probably it had been done this way already if it was easily possible |
| 20:49.17 | _wolf_ | Michitux, we could start a table in the wiki, and natives of different countries could populate it |
| 20:50.31 | _wolf_ | or somewhere else |
| 20:51.01 | _wolf_ | hmm I'll make a google spreadsheet and form |
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| 20:51.29 | Michitux | at least here in germany we also have different dates on different universities... |
| 20:52.04 | _wolf_ | hmm that might cause more problems... |
| 20:52.19 | _wolf_ | some universities even have a break in the middle |
| 20:52.29 | dotnick | there also the problem of Universities choosing slightly different dates each year |
| 20:52.31 | _wolf_ | But hey it doesn't hurt to start it |
| 20:53.14 | _wolf_ | well still we should see some sort of pattern where most Countries have summer holidays for students |
| 20:53.28 | _wolf_ | it won't hurt to have germany more than once for instance |
| 20:53.31 | Michitux | the question for me is if that data doesn't exist already and hasn't been considered when the timeline has been made |
| 20:53.39 | gevaerts | I think there are only three options: (a) don't change anything, (b) move the period a bit every year, so everyone country has useful periods (but don't forget the Australians!), (c) make the thing entirely flexible so every student can have a well-suited timeline |
| 20:53.49 | _wolf_ | it's just data, and if we crowdsource it it's not even that expensive |
| 20:54.17 | Michitux | it isn't that different afaik, only two or three weeks |
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| 20:54.48 | _wolf_ | gevaerts, prolly so, but we won't know untill we have the data, will we. At least I don't :P |
| 20:55.14 | gevaerts | _wolf_: I can promise you that no period will be good to fit everyone |
| 20:55.26 | gevaerts | Not even if you reduce gsoc to six weeks |
| 20:55.29 | _wolf_ | gevaerts, of that I'm sure |
| 20:55.34 | dotnick | Thats for sure :) |
| 20:55.37 | _wolf_ | yup |
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| 20:56.07 | _wolf_ | but it would be interesting to have the typical times of summer vacation in countries, for other reasons too |
| 20:56.14 | gevaerts | So sure, your data can help pick who to annoy most, but I don't think it will open more options |
| 20:57.11 | _wolf_ | Personally I'm of the opinion, "Let's not change anything, it has worked so far", but this peaked my curiosity |
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| 21:00.42 | Michitux | I'm also not sure if changing the dates would change that much because e.g. as cs student here in germany you have just a lot of (written) exams during summer "vacation", at least during the first years |
| 21:00.49 | gevaerts | I think that if things change, it would most likely be to shift the period a bit every year (so you'd have US-centric years and Euro-centric years to put it simplistically). Personally I'd like that, but there will be some downsides to that too |
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| 21:09.04 | _wolf_ | There we go |
| 21:09.05 | _wolf_ | http://goo.gl/3QY8p |
| 21:14.59 | _wolf_ | gevaerts, Michitux comments? |
| 21:15.54 | gevaerts | Not many :) |
| 21:16.25 | gevaerts | That seems to ask for the data you want, except of course that you'll have to parse those dates by hand |
| 21:17.27 | _wolf_ | that can be taken care of later, there is no feature to ask for a date unfortunately :( |
| 21:17.50 | gevaerts | Well, you could have suggested a date format |
| 21:18.01 | _wolf_ | good point |
| 21:18.38 | _wolf_ | done |
| 21:18.39 | Michitux | _wolf_: perhaps you could also show the submitted data so everyone knows if his country is already listed? |
| 21:18.53 | Michitux | so you don't get 50 submissions for the same country |
| 21:19.05 | _wolf_ | humm lessee if that's possible... |
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| 21:22.53 | lgoal | thanks guys bye |
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| 21:26.18 | _wolf_ | hmh it's tied to a spreadsheet but won't let me allow view only rights... :/ |
| 21:26.45 | schumaml | iirc there are view-only links |
| 21:27.04 | _wolf_ | for docs, np |
| 21:27.09 | schumaml | but shouldn't this rather be a shared calendar? |
| 21:28.06 | _wolf_ | schumaml, hey there's a point! :D |
| 21:29.34 | _wolf_ | anyway here is the data to the form: http://goo.gl/OaAUX |
| 21:29.43 | schumaml | and you can publish spreadsheet sheets as a web page |
| 21:29.54 | _wolf_ | ^that is it ;) |
| 21:30.38 | schumaml | and it may differ depending on the state, too |
| 21:31.05 | _wolf_ | country is just a free text field |
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| 21:33.24 | _wolf_ | anyway, feel free to use that form, I can add a state field if anyone feels it's important |
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| 21:55.48 | dotnick | Michitux: why not have multiple submissions for each country? Different schools may have different dates? |
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| 22:01.11 | Michitux | dotnick: yes, but it should be possible to see if the dates you want to submit have already been submitted |
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| 22:03.01 | _wolf_ | I think the calendar idea is valid, but entering the info should not require to have a google account |
| 22:03.16 | _wolf_ | I've never tried a public calendar though |
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