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| 00:17.14 | Avinash_ | We are a new open source project - open sourcing software that was previously closed source - the target date for open sourcing is March 1. Is it worth it for us to investigate this program this year or should we wait until next? And, is it better to go alone or under some other organization's umbrella? |
| 00:28.13 | carols | Avinash_: it depends on a lot of factors. do you already have a lot of users? is the whole code base going to be open sourced, or just parts of it? do you already have a community of developers who can serve as mentors? you may want to start a conversation with one of the larger umbrella orgs just to get a sense of how they feel your project would fit into gsoc. |
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| 00:32.54 | Avinash_ | Thanks Carols. The whole source code base is going to be open sourced. There are enough of us who can act as mentors. The handbook says that in the first year, we should not expect more than five slots. And yes, there will be five mentors. Number of users is a tricky thing. There are almost 3000 registered people. How do I hook up with umbrella organizations? |
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| 00:51.55 | ThomasWaldmann | Avinash_: first think what umbrella org might match for your project. |
| 00:52.28 | ThomasWaldmann | e.g. if you are a python project, it could be the PSF (Python Software Foundation) |
| 00:56.09 | ThomasWaldmann | also you maybe want to think about whether you can directly start mentoring students in the FOSS way when you are yourself new to open source with that project |
| 00:56.28 | Avinash_ | Thanks ThomasWaldmann. This one will require some thinking. I guess one way is to look at the list of organizations who were selected in the past few years. |
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| 00:56.51 | ThomasWaldmann | yes |
| 00:57.30 | Avinash_ | ThomasWaldmann: We have people in the community who are open sourcing veterans. I am asking them the same questions too. |
| 00:58.19 | ThomasWaldmann | also, check whether infrastructure is ready |
| 00:59.27 | Avinash_ | ThomasWaldmann: We have an event at our office in two weeks, with some OS experts, to ensure that we are all fully ready before we announce formally. So, today I would say I don't know if the infrastructure is ready, but by Feb 10, we will be. |
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| 00:59.30 | ThomasWaldmann | repositories, irc, mailing list, bug tracker, wiki, whatever |
| 01:00.22 | Avinash_ | ThomasWaldmann: Good list. We have all except mailing lists, which we are being worked on. |
| 01:00.29 | ThomasWaldmann | ah, and project ideas :) |
| 01:01.20 | Avinash_ | ThomasWaldmann: Yes, that is the big one - ideas and mentors. We have idesa in our issue tracker, in our forums and on our wiki. I have to start collecting them on a single page. |
| 01:01.28 | Avinash_ | *ideas |
| 01:01.52 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, think about how exact you describe project ideas |
| 01:02.07 | ThomasWaldmann | if you give not enough infos, it might be unclear |
| 01:02.30 | Avinash_ | Yes, that will be important. I have seen a few samples from last year. I will be spending more time on it in the next few days. |
| 01:03.01 | ThomasWaldmann | if you give too much infos, you might get applications just telling you your own ideas (and no own ideas of student), so it'll be hard to judge about whether the student is good for it |
| 01:04.09 | Avinash_ | Good advice. Thanks. Is there a good template? |
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| 01:06.55 | ThomasWaldmann | http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2010 this was our main page for last year. |
| 01:08.52 | Avinash_ | Thank you so much. This is very good. I will go through it in detail. |
| 01:09.04 | ThomasWaldmann | that reminds me that i wanted to discuss with carols some idea about student testing :) |
| 01:09.15 | carols | wakes up |
| 01:09.26 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 01:09.47 | ThomasWaldmann | carols: http://codility.com/ < do you know them? |
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| 01:10.10 | carols | ThomasWaldmann: i don't - looks like they're doing coo stuff though? |
| 01:10.30 | carols | cool, even |
| 01:10.48 | ThomasWaldmann | i heard a talk of Grzegorz Jakacki at Europython and my first idea was "we could save quite a lot of work if we had that for SOC" :) |
| 01:11.54 | ThomasWaldmann | in fact he offered me to try it, but i rather was thinking if maybe google should look into that for everybody? |
| 01:13.16 | ThomasWaldmann | of course it is not intended to be a full and complete test for students, but esp. for orgs with lots of student it might help to filter out the crap applications maybe? |
| 01:15.25 | ThomasWaldmann | http://europythonvideos.blip.tv/file/4000812/ |
| 01:15.30 | carols | ThomasWaldmann: sounds pretty cool - could you send me an email about it? |
| 01:16.32 | ThomasWaldmann | sure |
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| 01:21.36 | ThomasWaldmann | sent :) |
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| 02:01.32 | thebolt | morning |
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| 02:14.53 | k1ngcor3y | How much experience is needed to successfully complete gsoc? |
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| 02:15.46 | Dark_Shikari | zero |
| 02:15.51 | Dark_Shikari | ... well, one summer. the summer of gsoc. |
| 02:16.11 | ravenlock | k1ngcor3y: depends on the project you are accepted to. their expectations etc. |
| 02:16.30 | k1ngcor3y | I'm talking programming experience... prior to gsoc |
| 02:16.41 | ravenlock | it *depends* |
| 02:16.52 | ravenlock | entirely on the project that accepts yur proposal |
| 02:17.09 | ravenlock | it depends on what the project is, and what they expect you to accomplish. |
| 02:17.58 | ravenlock | projects will usually post the required set of skills on their "Ideas List" |
| 02:19.32 | k1ngcor3y | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.00 | ravenlock | people often start with a project they have interest in. |
| 02:20.28 | ravenlock | I mean... students will generally begin looking for work by visiting FOSS projects they are interested in. |
| 02:21.01 | ravenlock | and seeing if they are applying to gsoc, what tasks they have available, etc. |
| 02:21.39 | k1ngcor3y | Thanks! I've been looking for something like that |
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| 04:03.43 | kaydsoft | the gsoc 2011 is not available in my country .......... anyway that I can access it? |
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| 04:06.39 | ravenlock | "not available"? as in "blacklisted" ? |
| 04:06.52 | ravenlock | I mean.... iirc there are a few countries where it was not allowed, right? |
| 04:06.57 | ravenlock | that what you are referring to? |
| 04:06.58 | kaydsoft | az in I can not see the site content |
| 04:07.16 | kaydsoft | of http://www.google-melange.com/ |
| 04:10.37 | carols | kaydsoft: have you tried socghop.appspot.com? |
| 04:18.59 | kaydsoft | carols:lemme try it |
| 04:20.01 | kaydsoft | carols:can access it ......... thanx for the help |
| 04:20.05 | carols | yw |
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| 04:30.00 | thebolt | carols: nice that you are running gsoc again :) good lcuk with this year, even if i (again) cannot take part.. |
| 04:30.21 | carols | thebolt: thank you. hopefully you can hold a meetup or something about it anyway? |
| 04:31.08 | thebolt | maybe yea.. open source movement isn't that big here where i live now, but i have some contact with an "open source users group" here.. should look into giving a talk there |
| 04:31.25 | thebolt | (if they are ok with someone not speaking the native language ;) |
| 04:31.41 | carols | go for it, it'll be fun :-) |
| 04:32.44 | thebolt | i will get quite some student interaction though.. we will have a group of 8 students working on a project for us for our company and somehow i am the technical advisor for them ;) |
| 04:33.07 | thebolt | (mech engineering students nontheless.. will be hm.. interesting :P) |
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| 16:19.09 | kblin | ouch |
| 16:21.14 | kblin | thebolt: your friend was pretty accurate with his "hawkboard board design looks fishy" opinion. TI recently felt pressed to release a statement that the Hawkboard designers deviated from the TI-recommended design, their proposed fix doesn't work for them, and all in all they'll now try to fix the design themselves if they can find a new manufacturer |
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| 16:39.02 | thebolt | kblin: hehe :) |
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| 16:49.01 | kblin | on the plus side, I finally found the cause that made my servos not work last summer |
| 16:51.12 | kblin | the Vcc pin on my MSP430G2211 only gives 3.3 V, which is too low to reliably trigger the servo |
| 16:51.41 | kblin | need to build a voltage pump into the circuit next time I want to use it |
| 16:52.42 | kblin | or run a transistor with my PWM signal that's connected to the same 5V power source as the servo itself |
| 16:53.19 | kblin | anyway, it seems pretty obvious now :) |
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