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| 01:59.30 | thebolt | morning |
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| 07:49.30 | thebolt | afternoon |
| 07:49.43 | gevaerts | morning! |
| 07:51.54 | kblin | hey thebolt, gevaerts |
| 07:52.29 | gevaerts | still only pretends to be awake |
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| 07:54.33 | thebolt | hehe, a friend had a pretty nice message as his quit-message.. "if you're going through hell, keep going" :) |
| 07:54.46 | thebolt | how are you doing people? |
| 07:56.24 | gevaerts | is on holiday :) |
| 07:56.46 | thebolt | i had holiday entire weekend.. unusually long :P |
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| 08:48.07 | kblin | still waiting for my project partners to deliver a running version of their script |
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| 09:02.20 | gevaerts | Anyone here who happens to be in Berlin? |
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| 09:32.18 | kblin | gevaerts: 27c3? not me, got work to do |
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| 09:36.22 | schumaml | gevaerts: in front of the bcc, is there a mob of disgruntled would-be attendees who didn't get a ticket? |
| 09:46.57 | schumaml | ah, and someone already found a hole in events.ccc.de ? |
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| 11:30.00 | hc | schumaml: they did? |
| 11:30.07 | hc | looks fine to me |
| 11:30.51 | schumaml | it was down when I wrote that |
| 11:31.21 | schumaml | probably just overrun, but with this bunch of people you never know :) |
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| 13:40.24 | lsmith | aloha .. would a project like http://code.google.com/p/uninformed/ have a chance to be accepted to gsoc? |
| 13:40.39 | lsmith | its basically an OSS web application |
| 13:40.47 | lsmith | that provides a database for UN resolutions |
| 13:40.55 | lsmith | http://resolutionfinder.org/ |
| 13:41.22 | lsmith | the content is maintained by students .. and right now i am the only developer |
| 13:41.26 | lsmith | doing this all in my spare time |
| 13:46.57 | sfb | kai: ping |
| 13:46.59 | sfb | kblin: ping |
| 13:48.07 | schumaml | lsmith: "Searches are currently limited to the areas of small arms and light weapons, women and education, clean drinking water and malaria." |
| 13:48.25 | schumaml | interesting choice for ordering those topics |
| 13:48.45 | lsmith | schumaml: there wasnt much of a choice there .. |
| 13:48.50 | lsmith | more or less random |
| 13:49.17 | lsmith | as for the 4 topic chosen .. i wasnt involved in that process |
| 13:49.48 | schumaml | I don't care about such things, but others may frown upon the "weapons first!" 'choice' |
| 13:50.37 | lsmith | heh ... its not like the UN is advocating handing out guns for everyone :) |
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| 13:51.20 | schumaml | but as far as I can see, the project would fit into gsoc |
| 13:51.42 | lsmith | ok .. so even a relatively small project would have a chance? |
| 13:51.48 | schumaml | but note that content maineanance is not the point of gsoc, it is about coding |
| 13:51.57 | schumaml | *maintenance |
| 13:52.00 | lsmith | schumaml: yeah .. we have people for content |
| 13:52.25 | lsmith | but we need to improve the backend, add semi automatic import of UN resolutions and voting data etc |
| 13:52.56 | lsmith | maybe improve accessability, add languages for the gui and content |
| 13:52.58 | lsmith | etc |
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| 14:01.32 | schumaml | yep, playing around reveals some areas that can be improved |
| 14:01.38 | schumaml | like filter interaction |
| 14:03.08 | lsmith | oh .. i am actually fairly happy with the current state of the filters .. except for not having found a good solution to limit overly long filter lists without making the UI too complex |
| 14:03.19 | lsmith | but sure .. i am not a UI expert :) |
| 14:04.02 | schumaml | disabling the 'All' yielded an unexpected result |
| 14:04.22 | schumaml | and locking some option in the activated state puzzles me, too |
| 14:04.36 | lsmith | schumaml: you mean that it sometimes there is still stuff left? |
| 14:05.14 | lsmith | schumaml: the locking can be puzzeling .. but it basically locks when clicking on the given filter will not reduce the result set due to other filters having filtered out everything already |
| 14:05.24 | lsmith | but anyway .. the most important thing is getting more content into the system |
| 14:05.35 | lsmith | and for that we need to move from manual adding new stuff |
| 14:05.44 | lsmith | to being able to just feed in pdf's |
| 14:05.59 | lsmith | and getting the content extracted into the db in a more or less useable state |
| 14:06.20 | schumaml | bah, and activating the 'All' collapses the filter type |
| 14:06.56 | schumaml | all in all a nice task for an interaction architect |
| 14:07.12 | lsmith | schumaml: yeah .. that indeed is a minor niggly i have been meaning to fix one of these days |
| 14:08.00 | schumaml | for users of the site, it is a major niggly |
| 14:08.00 | lsmith | yeah .. the entire facett search field is still an area where a lot of ground work needs to be done |
| 14:08.15 | schumaml | who is the target audience? |
| 14:08.42 | lsmith | NGO's, researchers, people in foreign ministries, UN officials |
| 14:08.56 | lsmith | press |
| 14:09.28 | lsmith | right now it seems like our best bet towards sponsorships are foreign ministries |
| 14:09.46 | lsmith | they kinda dont know what has been decided on .. and who voted for what |
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| 14:16.32 | lsmith | SEO is also another topic |
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| 15:33.00 | gevaerts | schumaml, kblin: actually, not 27c3 related at all, but I happen to be here :) |
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| 17:00.25 | kblin | grah |
| 17:00.29 | kblin | I want combat pay |
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| 17:01.08 | sfb | kblin: haha hi |
| 17:01.16 | gevaerts | That bad? |
| 17:01.18 | sfb | kblin: What's going wrong? |
| 17:02.37 | kblin | I'm spending my "days off" fixing code I get from project partners... this is for a paper with a deadline on friday |
| 17:03.17 | sfb | It's one thing when you have to spend days off fixing code you messed up. |
| 17:03.26 | sfb | But other people's code.. that extra sucks. |
| 17:03.49 | kblin | the co-author who is writing the web frontend code just sent me a bunch of php files with no code structure (good fit for my other project partners) that could never, ever work |
| 17:04.01 | kblin | so it's clear he didn't even test this |
| 17:04.28 | sfb | Testing schmesting. |
| 17:04.36 | kblin | it's missing characters.. like there's assignments missing the '=' sign, and there's lines not terminated by ; |
| 17:04.52 | sfb | What I mean when I say "test driven development" is that I'll develop and then you log in and try using it. (; |
| 17:05.02 | kblin | so I'm not even talking about real testing, but just making it run once |
| 17:05.14 | schumaml | kblin. what is the co-author doing right now? |
| 17:05.39 | kblin | schumaml: feeling very happy my ninja death squad has this week off as well, I hope |
| 17:06.24 | schumaml | "coding" could be an option? |
| 17:07.27 | gevaerts | schumaml: the way I understand this, that may not be the best option |
| 17:08.03 | sfb | kblin: Would it be wrong of you to ask if you could publish a task for me? (; |
| 17:08.05 | schumaml | gevaerts: no, but would you just let this person get away doing nothing? |
| 17:10.00 | kblin | schumaml: well, I just bumped into a bug that's non-trivial to fix, just venting in here a bit so I can compose an email that won't get me fired :) |
| 17:11.05 | schumaml | I assume that the code isn't bad enough for dailywtf? |
| 17:11.35 | kblin | probably not |
| 17:12.13 | kblin | it looks like the usual php code that gives web programmers a bad name |
| 17:12.32 | kblin | anyway, foodstuffs |
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