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| 11:03.36 | _ke | any soc google groups list administrator around? |
| 11:05.02 | Chainsaw | You want to unsubscribe? *Hotel California starts in the background* |
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| 11:54.05 | _ke | Chainsaw, no, i want to change to digest mode |
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| 12:18.48 | kai | yikes |
| 12:19.09 | kai | _ke: you can do that on groups.google.com, btw |
| 12:20.04 | kai | just ran across an object that uses $obj->getScore(new_score); to set a score... |
| 12:20.37 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Do you read TDWTF? |
| 12:20.46 | MatthewWilkes | Something similar was on last week |
| 12:20.52 | thebolt | hi kai , MatthewWilkes |
| 12:21.00 | MatthewWilkes | hi thebolt |
| 12:21.08 | thebolt | how's it going guys? except for kai who has to battle stupid code ;) |
| 12:21.12 | MatthewWilkes | Would have said hi when you arrived but I was going to bed :) |
| 12:21.19 | thebolt | :-) |
| 12:21.22 | kai | hi thebolt |
| 12:21.23 | thebolt | timezones ftw |
| 12:21.28 | MatthewWilkes | goodo, fixing code, writing tests |
| 12:21.34 | MatthewWilkes | parents visiting this afternoon |
| 12:21.45 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I don't follow it daily |
| 12:24.40 | MatthewWilkes | kai http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Property-Basics.aspx |
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| 12:29.07 | kai | but that's part of the language design |
| 12:29.56 | kai | I think it's worse in a language like perl to manually write an access function getValue and then instead of writing a separate setValue, pimp getValue to also do the setting |
| 12:30.13 | kai | but yes, this also hurts and stings |
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| 13:27.59 | kai | whoa |
| 13:28.31 | kai | I've got the nagging suspicion that the construction crew outside is secretly trying to bring down the building |
| 13:32.11 | sfb | Tell me if they succeed. |
| 13:32.15 | sfb | I pay them based on results. |
| 13:32.34 | Chainsaw | kai: If any of them wear black sunglasses or drive off in black cars... start to worry! |
| 13:33.01 | kai | Chainsaw: does a black helicopter count? |
| 13:33.07 | Chainsaw | kai: Yes! |
| 13:33.18 | kai | ah, ok, didn't have any of those yet |
| 13:33.29 | kai | the last three were red or yellow |
| 13:33.40 | Chainsaw | Those are totally fine, yes. |
| 13:34.43 | kai | on a completely different topic, yay for testing :) |
| 13:35.12 | thebolt | testing is overrated |
| 13:35.43 | thebolt | if it works, it works |
| 13:35.54 | thebolt | you'll see it in production :P |
| 13:37.22 | kai | thebolt: that's why I'm currently writing tests |
| 13:37.34 | kai | we saw that it doesn't work in production |
| 13:37.45 | kai | and I just found a completely unrelated bug :) |
| 13:38.01 | thebolt | so, you mean that is good? finding unknown bugs is bad :P |
| 13:38.53 | kai | turns out that the $original_programmer didn't know the difference between alphabetic sort and numeric sort |
| 13:39.27 | kai | and why using the former on (exponential) numbers is a bad idea |
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| 13:39.35 | thebolt | alphabetic sort of numbers? sounds stupid in most cases |
| 13:40.11 | kai | well, he just did array_obj->sort() |
| 13:40.17 | kai | and the default is alphabetic |
| 13:41.00 | kai | and I was wondering why 1.1e12 was smaller than 1.3e74 |
| 13:41.13 | thebolt | well, it should be :P |
| 13:41.24 | thebolt | as far as i can tell ;) |
| 13:41.38 | kai | er, right :) |
| 13:41.40 | thebolt | by a factor of 10^62 or so |
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| 13:42.16 | Waren | yo |
| 13:42.45 | kai | thebolt: I managed to consistently miss out the - on the exponent :) |
| 13:42.56 | thebolt | :-) |
| 13:43.02 | thebolt | guessed so |
| 13:44.24 | kai | in any case, after staring at the array for a while, I realized that the "insignificant" numbers before the exponent actually were sorted |
| 13:45.46 | thebolt | "insignificant".. like the 1+1=3 for sufficiently large values of 1? ;) |
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| 13:46.40 | thebolt | (that one has to do with rounding though ;) |
| 13:46.40 | kai | looks pretty insignificant to me |
| 13:46.50 | kai | it's still the same order of magnitude |
| 13:47.32 | kai | I'll start getting worried if 1e1 + 1e1 = 1e3 |
| 13:48.30 | gevaerts | Well of course. Everyone knows that 1e1 + 1e1 = 1e2 |
| 13:48.35 | nikre | anyone know who had been working on parallel LDA ? |
| 13:48.51 | kai | because, if you look at probabilities, all that counts for 3.2e-115 and 4.2e-115 are both pretty unlikely |
| 13:49.09 | kai | s/for/is that/ |
| 13:49.24 | thebolt | kai: well, depends ;) it can still be "most likely" of a number of outcomes |
| 13:49.28 | thebolt | (high number :P) |
| 13:49.45 | kai | true |
| 13:50.33 | kai | fortunately, I've yet to run into a genome with 10^115 basepairs |
| 13:50.46 | thebolt | hm, finally found something that made my computer crawl.. ./bjam -j8 in boost.. makes it all slow and choppy to use |
| 13:51.13 | thebolt | kai: given that an estimate for the number of protons in the visible universe is on the order of 10^80 or so.. yea :) |
| 13:51.31 | kai | :) |
| 13:51.53 | thebolt | i think it is hard to find any chemical compound with <1 proton per element ;) |
| 13:55.41 | kai | the I think the FSM kept all of those stuck in It's Noodly Appendages |
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| 14:35.51 | kai | sfb: I don't see a difference between having one huge commit for whitespace correction or fixing it as I go |
| 14:36.20 | kai | I always have one "module: fix whitespace" commit before I start the real work |
| 14:36.50 | Chainsaw | As long as you don't combine it, yeah. |
| 14:37.11 | Chainsaw | That's a major bug bear for me. People trying to beautify code as they do unrelated things. (Especially if it then breaks later; I want to be able to back out the beautification separately) |
| 14:39.07 | gevaerts | This is why a proper VCS uses parse trees and style guides, not text :) |
| 14:39.18 | gevaerts | doesn't know of any proper VCS though |
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| 14:39.58 | thebolt | gevaerts: hehe |
| 14:40.08 | sfb | kai: What Chainsaw said. |
| 14:42.05 | kai | never said I'd combine this stuff |
| 14:42.13 | sfb | kai: I start to feel especially strongly about this with Git and Hg |
| 14:42.44 | kai | but I don't want git blame to point at me as being the last person to touch completely broken code either |
| 14:42.48 | sfb | kai: Because if you have a bunch of commits local that touch a bunch of files and wait to push them until you're done (which is typically correct) you're just increasing the likelihood that I have to merge. |
| 14:43.20 | sfb | kai: When the guys in Ryzom are doing typo/comment/formatting I encourage frequent pushes. |
| 14:43.35 | sfb | kai: To reduce unnecessary merge conflicts. |
| 14:43.49 | sfb | kai: Hg does a great job dealing with it but if you can avoid it why add to my irritation. (; |
| 14:45.23 | kai | formatting usually is not part of a feature branch |
| 14:46.02 | kai | in my case it is, but I'm the only person currently working on this part of the code |
| 14:47.39 | sfb | That's a different problem. |
| 14:47.47 | sfb | Getting those guys to work off of a named branch instead of the tip. |
| 14:47.53 | sfb | 'master' if you will. |
| 14:48.21 | sfb | Anyway. |
| 14:48.26 | sfb | If it works don't fix it. |
| 14:48.48 | kai | ok, so I only ever do single patches on the tip, everything else belongs to a feature branch |
| 14:49.21 | kai | that decreases the risk of accidently pushing WIP code to the main repo tip |
| 14:50.56 | kai | so if I had to work in a team, I'd do the whitespace fix on the tip, and cherry pick it to my feature branch. then, when I do a rebase before pushing the feature branch, that patch will be dropped |
| 14:51.21 | kai | same for unrelated bug fixes I stumble across |
| 14:51.30 | kai | that tends to work pretty well |
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| 15:01.20 | thebolt | bah, i need to get to coding again.. i am forgetting my coding skills (it feels like at least) :/ |
| 15:03.09 | kai | thebolt: having too much fun with a soldering iron? |
| 15:04.55 | thebolt | kai: right now its mostly SolidWorks (CAD).. |
| 15:05.04 | thebolt | but still not coding :P |
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| 15:08.06 | kai | thebolt: you're having fun with cad software? |
| 15:08.12 | kai | you're a sick man |
| 15:08.18 | thebolt | CAD as in real mechanical stuff |
| 15:08.32 | thebolt | well, it is pretty nice to work in.. but its work :) |
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| 15:08.48 | kai | I'm mainly kidding |
| 15:08.51 | thebolt | so its a "must do" rather than "want to" prioritization ;) |
| 15:09.04 | kai | same with my perl code |
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| 15:09.22 | thebolt | but in not too long time i will have to begin writing code again |
| 15:09.30 | thebolt | while stuff i CAD:ed is manufactured |
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| 17:30.22 | BBB | carols: I received a question from a parent: can students of 12yrs old join or is 13-18 a hard age limit? |
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| 17:30.59 | carols | BBB: the students must be 13 on Nov. 22 to participate |
| 17:31.06 | BBB | ok, thanks |
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| 17:43.23 | lh | carols: in your copious spare time, pm please? |
| 17:46.35 | carols | lh: of course |
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| 19:50.00 | kblin | carols: pm? |
| 19:50.09 | carols | kblin: sure |
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| 20:58.23 | MatthewWilkes | eeeeeeevenin' all! |
| 20:58.42 | gevaerts | In a good mood? :) |
| 21:01.35 | MatthewWilkes | Sorry, I'll be more sullen |
| 21:01.54 | gevaerts | Don't on my account! |
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| 23:21.01 | dreimark | !next |
| 23:21.01 | socinfo | dreimark: Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 23:21.10 | dreimark | !help |
| 23:21.10 | socinfo | dreimark: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 23:21.21 | dreimark | !timeline |
| 23:21.22 | socinfo | dreimark: "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs#actual_timeline |
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| 23:39.53 | ojwb | dreimark: the bot got restarted without any of the old factoids I think |
| 23:40.49 | thebolt | morning |
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| 23:57.47 | ojwb | hi thebolt |