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| 05:42.20 | thebolt | Morning |
| 05:43.24 | ojwb | hi |
| 05:46.27 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 05:48.43 | thebolt | hi kblin , how (and where) are you today? |
| 05:50.00 | kblin | doing fine, reimplementing DNS |
| 05:50.16 | kblin | sitting in a hotel lobby in redmont, wa, usa |
| 05:52.49 | ojwb | redmond? |
| 05:53.27 | kblin | yeah, visiting microsoft with a couple of other samba devs |
| 05:53.34 | thebolt | Reimplementing? Hasn't it been implemented enough times? ;) |
| 05:53.57 | kblin | thebolt: maybe, but the implementations I found suck |
| 05:54.32 | kblin | bind only wokrs for AD when the wind is blowing in the right direction and you had the proper amount of chicken killed for your lunch |
| 05:54.38 | thebolt | hehe |
| 05:55.14 | kblin | today, it was working on the south side of the room but not on the north side |
| 05:55.20 | thebolt | how about NSD? |
| 05:55.33 | thebolt | (or powerdns) |
| 05:56.06 | kblin | can they do kerberos and have an ldap backend? |
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| 05:56.36 | thebolt | no nsd |
| 05:56.40 | kblin | for most of the smaller implementations, the answer to at least one of these is no |
| 05:56.43 | thebolt | powerdns can at least have an ldap backend |
| 05:57.26 | kblin | also, if I implement dns in samba, I can test all this stuff from "make test" |
| 05:58.00 | kblin | and netbios records are DNS packets, so basically we have the parsing in place already |
| 05:59.14 | thebolt | ah, ok |
| 06:00.11 | kblin | even that fiunny way dns uses to compress domain names |
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| 06:49.03 | mlankhorst | so if they are just dns packets why do you even need a bind server instead of pointing a dns server at it? :p |
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| 07:00.28 | thiago_home | usually for caching, but you can have different programs do DNS caching with a much slimmer codebase |
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| 07:16.57 | kblin | dns updates |
| 07:17.33 | kblin | newer windows clients trying to join AD get very unhappy if they can't enter themselves into the dns zone |
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| 08:52.26 | _Samo | Hi there. When GSoC admins are expected to reach a decision about attendees on the waiting list? I'm just concerned about flight tickets soaring up from the EU |
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| 08:55.05 | Ivanovic | _Samo: there was a mail from carols some days ago |
| 08:55.22 | gevaerts | _Samo: last I heard was that carols didn't have enough information about the non waiting list attendees yet |
| 08:55.23 | _Samo | thanks I will look it up |
| 08:55.25 | Ivanovic | _Samo: first all "regular" attendees need to sign in so that people at google know if there is space left |
| 08:55.40 | Ivanovic | the deadline for this is in a little more than one week |
| 08:56.03 | _Samo | thanks for the info |
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| 15:25.46 | Waren | yo |
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| 15:38.57 | MatthewWilkes | yo |
| 15:39.06 | MatthewWilkes | likes toys |
| 15:39.39 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 15:39.41 | thebolt | who doesn't? |
| 15:39.47 | MatthewWilkes | Afternoon thebolt |
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| 15:46.15 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: how goeth? |
| 15:51.35 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: pretty good.. doing some last minute network fixes here at my parents place, will begin packing my bags later tonight ;) |
| 15:52.05 | thebolt | how about yourself? |
| 15:52.16 | MatthewWilkes | Got a cold, but going to a steak place tonight |
| 15:52.19 | MatthewWilkes | So not sure :) |
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| 15:52.58 | thebolt | :) a couple of beers with the steak and you forget the cold |
| 15:56.12 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, we'll see |
| 15:56.16 | MatthewWilkes | they're not real beers |
| 15:56.19 | MatthewWilkes | stupid ringnes |
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| 18:19.18 | pygi | Catfish_Man, |
| 18:19.19 | pygi | poke |
| 18:19.35 | Catfish_Man | sup |
| 18:20.08 | pygi | I'll probably post this to mentors group later on, but... |
| 18:20.13 | pygi | I'll be writing a paper on GSoC |
| 18:20.22 | pygi | introduction, some advices etc,etc |
| 18:20.37 | pygi | and I'd like to include some pages from mentors & students as well |
| 18:20.59 | pygi | so just wanted to see if this is something that might interest you :p |
| 18:21.31 | Catfish_Man | possibly. My writing skills are very very rusty though |
| 18:21.34 | Catfish_Man | I wouldn't count on me |
| 18:22.05 | pygi | not a problem, I could always refine :) |
| 18:22.14 | _Samo | pying: I think the most difficult part of GSoC is not actually getting students to finish their projects... |
| 18:23.17 | pygi | _Samo, please rephrase :) |
| 18:23.22 | _Samo | Pying: it would be great if someone's writing about GSoC can depart from this typical point of view |
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| 18:24.16 | pygi | _Samo, well, ok, but I'm not sure what you meant by: "I think the most difficult part of GSoC is not actually getting students to finish their projects..." |
| 18:24.23 | pygi | + I'm not "pying" :P |
| 18:24.40 | _Samo | in our experience, the most difficult part is to get students involved in you project once the GSoC program is finsihed |
| 18:24.49 | _Samo | *finished |
| 18:25.00 | pygi | ahf, you were a mentor for what project? |
| 18:25.14 | _Samo | I'm project admin |
| 18:25.21 | _Samo | yafaray.org |
| 18:25.48 | pygi | well, sounds good - if you're on the mentors list, I'll certainly need a hand, so you can write your point of view as well :) |
| 18:26.04 | pygi | but yes, I understand what you mean |
| 18:26.07 | ahf | pygi: i was a mentor gentoo back in 2007, why? |
| 18:26.15 | ahf | +for |
| 18:26.22 | pygi | just asking - I'll need people helping me out :D |
| 18:26.29 | pygi | writing a few pages perhaps or something :P |
| 18:27.02 | ahf | well, what info do you want? |
| 18:27.43 | pygi | dunno, just write your general opinion of the program, your experience as mentor, and advices for student? I still have to figure out the exact touch & feel :) |
| 18:30.11 | ahf | my experience as a mentor was that my student was cool, eager to learn and did a really good job. the team i was in who had the student was able to work together extremely well after |
| 18:30.30 | pygi | ahf, given that I was a mentor and a student myself, I do have the info I need from *my* perspective, but everything should be looked at from different perspectives :D |
| 18:30.33 | ahf | advice to the student would probably be to not run away and don't listen to everything the crazy mentor says ;P |
| 18:30.46 | pygi | ok, now transform that into couple of pages :p |
| 18:30.57 | pygi | hides - its a joke, lemme come up with how I want it to look,and I'll post it to the list ;) |
| 18:31.06 | ahf | fairy' nuff. |
| 18:31.08 | _Samo | all our students have vanished once the GSoC program is finished |
| 18:31.09 | ahf | is tired. |
| 18:31.21 | ahf | _Samo: ;( |
| 18:31.25 | ahf | i met my student at fosdem |
| 18:31.27 | ahf | was pretty cool |
| 18:31.28 | pygi | _Samo, not a rare occurance |
| 18:31.37 | _Samo | I hope someone can talk about it in the mentor summit |
| 18:32.04 | _Samo | how to get them involved once the program is finishe |
| 18:32.10 | _Samo | d |
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| 18:32.53 | pygi | _Samo, a lot of things depend on the student |
| 18:33.14 | pygi | I've mentored three students, and from day one I've seen major comittment and enthusiasm for their project in only one of them |
| 18:33.26 | pygi | he stayed and became a major contributor to the project |
| 18:33.48 | pygi | other joined RedHat for an internship, but their involvement with open soruce stopped then (the project was not for a RH btw) |
| 18:33.53 | pygi | the third didnt do anything afterwards |
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| 18:34.09 | pygi | you can only do so much |
| 18:34.24 | _Samo | well, since it was our main goal, to make our always undestaffed team bigger, we feel about it like a failure from our part |
| 18:34.44 | pygi | well, take it, and learn for next time |
| 18:34.49 | pygi | we always learn |
| 18:34.57 | pygi | I've seen orgs learn a lot from 2006 till now |
| 18:35.02 | pygi | (I havent been involved in 2005) |
| 18:35.12 | _Samo | I hope so, and I hope I can get advice from others in the mentor summit |
| 18:35.30 | gevaerts | _Samo: anything that doesn't result in a new contributor will *always* feel like a failure. |
| 18:35.33 | pygi | I hope my paper or whatever I turn it into will help as well :) |
| 18:35.43 | gevaerts | Unfortunately, often there's not much you can do about it |
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| 18:36.50 | _Samo | well but it is the main goal of the program, maybe we focus too much on getting projects finished than on that side of the program |
| 18:37.15 | gevaerts | Maybe |
| 18:37.38 | _Samo | we have been able to finish our projects without major issues, but we have no been able to keep any of these students involved |
| 18:37.59 | gevaerts | Or maybe they just become busy with other things (like, you know, studying :), and after one or two months they're just out of it. |
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| 18:39.08 | _Samo | hum... maybe but does not feel like it as you would keep people informed about your next move, so it does not look like you have vanished |
| 18:40.30 | gevaerts | I personally believe that gsoc should be a good way to turn occasional contributors into major contributors. It *can* occasionally turn a previously unknown person into a contributor, but I think it's not very good at that |
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| 18:41.48 | gevaerts | There's another thing of course, and I doubt if there are statistics about it... How many people open source first-timers participate in gsoc, drop out after it ends, and then turn up in another project months or years later? I'd count those as a success |
| 18:43.28 | _Samo | yes the program does educate students on the FOSS culture, we have been careful about that in our projects, to show them how an active FOSS community works |
| 18:43.40 | _Samo | I believe that part is covered enough |
| 18:43.55 | thebolt | evening people |
| 18:44.17 | _Samo | hi there |
| 18:44.59 | gevaerts | Oh, also don't forget that while it's easy to speak about FOSS culture, every project is different, and people might just not feel perfectly at home in yours. If you're talking about volunteer work, that's important... |
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| 20:06.35 | JeroenDeDauw | Did 2010 students get anything to track the progress of their tshirt? |
| 20:07.02 | gevaerts | There were only 1025 students this year! |
| 20:07.06 | gevaerts | hides |
| 20:07.30 | JeroenDeDauw | :) |
| 20:08.05 | gevaerts | Seriously though, I understand that things are shipped using fedex, and fedex apparently sends emails with tracking numbers at some point |
| 20:08.16 | gevaerts | This is a slow process though |
| 20:09.31 | gevaerts | hasn't received his number yet either |
| 20:10.58 | pygi | I got the number when they failed to deliver |
| 20:10.58 | pygi | :D |
| 20:12.06 | gevaerts | I'm sure it's all your fault! You should have been standing outside your door! |
| 20:12.49 | pygi | lol |
| 20:14.02 | pygi | yes, I was all the way accross the state |
| 20:14.02 | pygi | xD |
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| 22:49.31 | ojwb | gevaerts: 1026 according to the wrap up report |
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| 23:32.16 | tobiw | can anyone help me with this (c)? compiler says "storage size of secs isn't known" http://dpaste.com/250763/ |
| 23:32.21 | tobiw | time.h is included of course |
| 23:33.50 | ojwb | remove the struct before time_t |
| 23:34.38 | tobiw | hm, warnings now ... which is slightly better. i guess i missed the difference between 'pure' struct and typedef? |
| 23:34.48 | tobiw | warning: passing argument 4 of âstrftimeâ from incompatible pointer type |
| 23:35.36 | tobiw | am i even doing it right? is that the way to get a timestamp for, say, a log entry? |
| 23:37.51 | ojwb | strftime takes a pointer to a struct tm, not a time_t |
| 23:38.29 | ojwb | you want to call gmtime() or localtime() on the time_t |
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| 23:42.11 | tobiw | ok, got it, thx :) |
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