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| 08:47.15 | _Samo | hi thre |
| 08:49.20 | _Samo | is anyone here who has completed the hotel reservation for the Mentor Summit, I have some doubts |
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| 09:23.04 | Ivanovic | has done his reservation stuff about two years ago, worked without an issue at that time |
| 09:23.25 | Ivanovic | _Samo: it might help if you just asked about what seems doubful to you |
| 09:23.45 | _Samo | how many nights are we supposed to book |
| 09:23.51 | Ivanovic | two |
| 09:24.02 | Ivanovic | from friday to saturday and from saturday to sunday |
| 09:24.09 | _Samo | 22 and 23, right |
| 09:24.09 | Ivanovic | those are the nights that google tends to cover |
| 09:24.18 | Ivanovic | if you book aditional nights you have to pay those yourself |
| 09:24.44 | _Samo | as we arrive from Europe, we will be more time flying than staying there |
| 09:24.56 | Ivanovic | was something like 100$ plus taxes two years ago (we had the google rate for those additional nights that time, so it is likely you will get the same this year) |
| 09:25.05 | _Samo | so we would like to to stay some extra days visiting the San Francisco Bay Area. |
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| 09:25.39 | _Samo | Our first idea is arriving 4/5 days before the Summit, and leaving on Sunday 24 like most of the people (I suppose). |
| 09:25.41 | _Samo | For that purpose we will book a couple of beds in a cheap youth hostal in the SFO downtown |
| 09:25.42 | _Samo | and we would transfer to the Wild Palms Hotel on Friday evening, 22. |
| 09:25.48 | Ivanovic | if you want to visit san francisco itself and not the valley it might be a good idea to look for some hotel in san francisco |
| 09:26.01 | Ivanovic | mountainview is several kilometers outside of san francisco |
| 09:26.31 | Ivanovic | personally i am not sure what is easier/better |
| 09:26.42 | _Samo | we wonder whether the hotel is in SFO downtown or in the valley |
| 09:26.54 | _Samo | I mean the hotel booked by Google |
| 09:27.03 | Ivanovic | if it is better to arrive at the summit early on friday and extend the time *after* the summit or if leaving on sunday in the afternoon is better |
| 09:27.14 | ojwb | it's in the valley - sunnyvale |
| 09:27.23 | Ivanovic | _Samo: IIRC the mentor wiki has some links with google map entries |
| 09:27.37 | Ivanovic | the hotels booked by google are close to the google campus, so right in the valley |
| 09:27.52 | ojwb | if you want to tourist SF it's not a good place to stay I'd say |
| 09:28.12 | Ivanovic | i would not stay there all the time for visiting SF |
| 09:28.18 | ojwb | you'd need a car or have to take bus/taxi + caltrain + bart |
| 09:28.25 | Ivanovic | just the trip to the airport takes about an hour |
| 09:28.26 | _Samo | ojwb: do you mean the hotel booked by Google? |
| 09:28.36 | ojwb | _Samo: indeed - the wild palms |
| 09:28.40 | ojwb | at least I assume it's that again |
| 09:28.42 | Ivanovic | and downtown us even further away |
| 09:28.48 | ojwb | not going to this year |
| 09:28.54 | Ivanovic | ojwb: same hotel |
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| 09:29.05 | _Samo | ok our idea is booking a youth hostal in the SFO downtown |
| 09:29.14 | Ivanovic | _Samo: what i'd recommend you: |
| 09:29.20 | _Samo | and plan around from there |
| 09:29.24 | Ivanovic | 1) get a flight that arrives around lunchtime on friday |
| 09:29.34 | Ivanovic | this way you can participate in the friday evening event |
| 09:29.47 | Ivanovic | 2) book an additional night in the google booked hotel |
| 09:30.03 | Ivanovic | this way you can stay at google all of saturday afternoon and you don't have to leave early |
| 09:30.15 | Ivanovic | you migth also be able to organize something with other people that are still around |
| 09:30.26 | Ivanovic | 3) on monday head over to SF downtown and play tourist |
| 09:30.28 | _Samo | Ivanovic, you mean Sunday right |
| 09:30.36 | Ivanovic | yeah, i mean sunday, sorry |
| 09:30.43 | _Samo | ok I see what you mean |
| 09:30.59 | Ivanovic | if your flight would leave on sunday at say 6pm you would have to leave the campus at 3pm at latest |
| 09:31.10 | Ivanovic | which honestly sucks |
| 09:32.52 | _Samo | Ivanovic, is google open on Sunday? |
| 09:33.05 | ojwb | the mentor summit is sat + sun |
| 09:34.14 | Mek | yeah, it's rather weird to have the summit be on sat+sun, but then almost force people to miss half of sun because that night is not sponsored... |
| 09:34.30 | Ivanovic | Mek: it is not weird |
| 09:34.35 | Ivanovic | there are flights that leave late |
| 09:34.52 | Mek | all affordable flights that I could find leave in the morning |
| 09:34.57 | Ivanovic | and in fact it is better to miss the sunday afternoon than the saturday morning where the introductions are made |
| 09:35.59 | Ivanovic | might depend on your destination |
| 09:36.13 | Ivanovic | for me there was no problem finding a flight that leave on sunday at ~8pm |
| 09:36.37 | Mek | where to? |
| 09:36.43 | Ivanovic | london |
| 09:36.47 | Ivanovic | and from there to germany |
| 09:37.02 | Ivanovic | domestic flights are a whole lot of a different problem |
| 09:37.08 | Ivanovic | lets say SF to NY |
| 09:37.19 | Ivanovic | due to the time zone difference it is already some 4h later in NY |
| 09:37.21 | Mek | yeah, direct flights to europe leave afternoon/evening, the usually cheaper flights to europe with a trasnfer inside the US leave in the morning |
| 09:37.58 | _Samo | Ivanovic, how do people transfer from the airport to the hotel, is public transport for that? |
| 09:38.07 | _Samo | *is there |
| 09:38.14 | Mek | bart+caltrain I guess, if you arrive at SFO |
| 09:38.25 | Ivanovic | and now lets assume that there are some regulations regarding when planes are allowed to land in NY (those regulations are really common in europe, so that planes are not allowed to start/land between say 11pm and 5am) |
| 09:38.36 | Ivanovic | _Samo: the easiest way is renting a car |
| 09:38.48 | Ivanovic | or getting together with someone who rented a car |
| 09:38.55 | _Samo | I see |
| 09:39.07 | Ivanovic | no idea how good the train connection really is |
| 09:39.19 | Ivanovic | don't forget, you are not in europe where you get a train to almost everywhere... |
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| 09:39.57 | Ivanovic | Mek: so if landing in NY costs an additional fine if you land after lets say midnight, this would make late flights from SF a lot more expensive |
| 09:40.18 | _Samo | Taxi? |
| 09:40.26 | Ivanovic | to arrive midnight in NY after a, hmm, 4h flight (no idea how much it really is) you would have to depart at 8pm NY time |
| 09:40.33 | Ivanovic | this is in SF time 4pm |
| 09:40.37 | Ivanovic | _Samo: yeah, possible, too |
| 09:40.47 | Ivanovic | _Samo: have a look at the mentor wiki, a lot is listed there |
| 09:41.12 | _Samo | ok |
| 09:41.50 | Ivanovic | Mek: so i'd say there is some reason why domestic flights tend to leave earlier from SF |
| 09:42.31 | Mek | yes, and domestic flights connecting to intercontinental flights leave even earlier, because of those same regulations in europe |
| 09:43.36 | Ivanovic | it is rather common for intercontinental flight to be in the air at night |
| 09:43.45 | ojwb | it's not hard to get from the airport via public transport |
| 09:43.52 | Ivanovic | that is: when flying west you can start early and arrive close to the departure time |
| 09:43.56 | ojwb | you get the bart to the caltrain |
| 09:44.04 | ojwb | which probably requires a change on the bart |
| 09:44.15 | ojwb | then you can get a bus to close to the hotel from the caltrain |
| 09:44.16 | Mek | change on the bart? it's one stop from SFO to the caltrain station |
| 09:44.28 | Mek | so bart to milbrae, and then caltrain from there to sunnyvale I guess |
| 09:44.58 | ojwb | I think it doesn't run out to milbrae from the airport at some times of day, but my memory is hazy as it was a year ago |
| 09:45.12 | ojwb | and I rode the bart a lot between various places |
| 09:45.25 | Mek | ah, okay, yeah. you might be right... then it is indeed one stop in the other direction plus a transfer |
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| 09:57.46 | _Samo | ojwb: sorry to ask but what is a 'bart' and a 'caltrain'? |
| 09:58.04 | ojwb | forms of public transport |
| 09:58.12 | ojwb | bay area rapid transit |
| 09:58.29 | ojwb | and ... uh ... california train, i guess |
| 09:58.55 | _Samo | ojwb: is there less public transport frequencies on weekends there? |
| 09:59.16 | _Samo | than on weekdays |
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| 09:59.21 | ojwb | doesn't really know |
| 09:59.29 | ojwb | i'm not a CA resident or anything |
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| 10:01.17 | ojwb | _Samo: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=SFO&daddr=910+E+Fremont+Ave,+Sunnyvale,+CA+94087+(Wild+Palms+Hotel)&hl=en&geocode=FXf2PQIdJXq0-Ck3GKw4mnePgDGee2hbplg0zQ%3BFfnvOQIdyTi6-CFKCwVYHFXddCkNsGW457WPgDH3rmnXpBApMg&mra=ls&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=09%2F21%2F10&time=9:59pm&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=&sll=37.679473,-121.239624&sspn=2.68667,5.817261&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11&start=0 |
| 10:02.56 | _Samo | I see so we have to get to Santa Clara first |
| 10:03.11 | ojwb | err |
| 10:03.47 | ojwb | unless you get different answers to me, you get the bart to milbrae, then the caltrain to santa clara, then the bus to just near the hotel |
| 10:04.25 | _Samo | yes |
| 10:04.30 | MatthewWilkes | or just get one of the shared taxis, pretty damn cheap |
| 10:04.36 | _Samo | I just sumarised it |
| 10:04.48 | MatthewWilkes | supershuttle or similar |
| 10:04.57 | _Samo | thanks ojwb |
| 10:08.36 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: certainly that'd involve fewer changes |
| 10:09.21 | _Samo | thanks for all this info, now I'm getting a picture |
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| 10:23.44 | _Samo | at the end we can just walk for short distances |
| 10:24.15 | _Samo | after all it is in L.A. that they arrest people who walks in the street |
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| 15:56.38 | horlicks | Are there any admins around? |
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| 15:57.12 | horlicks | When do we get the t-shirts? |
| 15:58.23 | Ivanovic | !patience |
| 16:00.29 | horlicks | alright :) |
| 16:00.45 | horlicks | Just wanted to make sure it didn't get sent to my old address or something |
| 16:01.21 | kimelto | they'll send you the fedex tracking number when its shipped |
| 16:01.33 | kimelto | so you can check the destination |
| 16:01.45 | horlicks | ok, any idea when they plan to do this? |
| 16:01.56 | kimelto | nop |
| 16:02.15 | horlicks | alright, thanks anyway |
| 16:02.19 | kimelto | it depends of the area you live in I guess |
| 16:02.30 | horlicks | yeah |
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| 20:40.26 | kblin | crap, it looks like the uart chip is broken :( |
| 20:41.26 | thebolt | oh? a board with a separate uart chip? that is uncommon.. |
| 20:42.06 | thebolt | what board/chip is that? |
| 20:43.54 | kblin | thebolt: not sure if it's a separate chip |
| 20:44.03 | kblin | it's a beagle XM, and the serial connector is dead |
| 20:45.43 | kblin | at least I'd expect to se +-3-15 V on the TX pin, compared to ground |
| 20:46.23 | thebolt | the UART is integrated |
| 20:46.29 | thebolt | but you have a level shifter |
| 20:46.41 | thebolt | let me check the schematics |
| 20:46.45 | kblin | whatever, not sure what it is, but it's not working |
| 20:46.58 | kblin | and the contacts on the board don't show a difference |
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| 20:49.33 | thebolt | i assume you mean the dsub-9? |
| 20:49.52 | kblin | yeah |
| 20:55.20 | thebolt | hm.. given that it is charge-pumped to drive the high voltage signaling it is very probable the output is zero when there is no data |
| 20:55.37 | kblin | oh? |
| 20:55.45 | thebolt | or hm.. let me check the datasheet for the transceiver |
| 20:56.01 | kblin | I just compared to my serial connector, which has a constant +- 5 V |
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| 20:57.05 | thebolt | yea, most serial connections today don't fullfill the specs :( |
| 20:57.29 | thebolt | hm, on the sn64c3223-chip (the last one before the connector), measure pin 3 and 7 to ground |
| 20:57.35 | thebolt | should be +-7-ish |
| 20:59.54 | kblin | where do I start counting? |
| 21:01.35 | kblin | ok, so it seems like it's +- 2.3 V |
| 21:01.59 | thebolt | there is usually some mark for pin 1 |
| 21:02.05 | thebolt | hm.. strange |
| 21:02.18 | thebolt | then you will get about the same on the output |
| 21:02.28 | thebolt | (those are decoupling pins for the V+ and V- charge pumps) |
| 21:02.49 | kblin | but < 3 V is way outside the spec, isn't it? |
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| 21:04.42 | thebolt | yes it is |
| 21:04.51 | thebolt | hard m |
| 21:04.57 | thebolt | hard to say why though |
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