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| 03:35.02 | tobiw | when are we allowed to work on the projects again? or should we just exclude any work from now on from the code samples? |
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| 03:38.01 | ojwb | the latter |
| 03:38.22 | ojwb | and your mentor shouldn't take further work into account when filling in your survey |
| 03:39.02 | ojwb | so perhaps simplest to generate the code samples now actually |
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| 03:45.16 | tobiw | i guess changing something in the header of the code files (names, copyright, license text) doesn't really count as work, does it? |
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| 03:53.08 | ojwb | i doubt that would matter |
| 03:53.29 | ojwb | the code samples mostly a legal thing I think |
| 03:53.53 | ojwb | technically it's the work you're being paid to do by google |
| 03:54.11 | ojwb | i guess it also makes it easier if there's a dispute of some sort |
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| 06:40.44 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 06:48.44 | skbohra | good morning |
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| 06:59.11 | kblin | morning thebolt |
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| 07:33.04 | qrng | Morning, people. |
| 07:33.30 | qrng | Time flies. :-/ |
| 07:33.59 | qrng | The summer is gone in a blink. |
| 07:34.34 | thiago_home | yeah, it's cloudy and chilly now |
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| 07:38.56 | ojwb | qrng: was that meant to come across as haiku-like? |
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| 07:49.00 | _Samo | Hi there I have a question |
| 07:49.14 | _Samo | about students submitting code to Google |
| 07:49.52 | _Samo | we want our students to keep on working on their projects and they will do it for sure after yesterday deadline |
| 07:50.13 | timotei | _Samo: just get the code BEFORE 16 August 19UTC |
| 07:50.27 | timotei | so when doing the diff stop at the latest revision before 19UTC |
| 07:50.29 | skbohra | create a patch |
| 07:50.50 | _Samo | should students send work done till yestesday or whatever they have the time they submit |
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| 07:51.08 | _Samo | which could have improvements |
| 07:51.16 | timotei | _Samo: no. no code after 16 Aug is allowed |
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| 07:53.40 | ojwb | students are free to (and encouraged to) continue to work on their projects, but the mentor's assessment and the code upload should ignore work after the cutoff date |
| 07:53.42 | skbohra | but they can continue to code , ofcourse |
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| 07:57.57 | skbohra | Hi ojwb , how you doing ? |
| 07:58.35 | ojwb | good thanks |
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| 08:30.07 | qrng | ojwb: No, 'twas simply sentimental. |
| 08:30.38 | qrng | And there also comes this last day of departure, because I am moving to another country. |
| 08:35.33 | MatthewWilkes | qrng: Oh cool, where to? |
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| 08:40.11 | qrng | Denmark. |
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| 08:45.46 | MatthewWilkes | qrng: Fun, the German end or the Nordic end? |
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| 08:51.12 | qrng | I don't think such a view would be appreciated by Danes. :-D |
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| 08:51.28 | qrng | German end, indeed. :-D |
| 08:51.33 | qrng | Kobenhavn. |
| 08:52.28 | qrng | I don't know if that is "German end", but more probably closer to Germany than to Norway. |
| 08:53.26 | MatthewWilkes | København is right by Malmö, isn't it? I'd say that counts as nordic ;) |
| 08:53.33 | MatthewWilkes | No cheap beer for you, then! |
| 08:56.59 | MatthewWilkes | qrng: Hope you have fun, I just moved to Germany recently, still all rather novel |
| 08:57.03 | MatthewWilkes | Got to try and get a haircut today |
| 08:57.10 | thebolt | qrng: Copenhagen is not the german part.. the "german part" is southern jylland.. |
| 08:57.35 | thebolt | the part of denmark where you don't understand anyone at all :P |
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| 08:58.06 | thebolt | i used to do some consultancy work for a company in Esbjerg.. talking to someone from there on the phone sucked :P |
| 09:00.23 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: so are you in germany or norway now? |
| 09:00.36 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: *shakes his magic 8-ball* |
| 09:00.37 | MatthewWilkes | Germany |
| 09:01.34 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: you seem to be traveling back and forth a fair bit, not easy to know ;) |
| 09:02.01 | MatthewWilkes | Tell me about it! |
| 09:02.13 | MatthewWilkes | I'm in Germany for the immediate future |
| 09:02.23 | thebolt | Ok :) |
| 09:02.32 | thebolt | which means next three days? ;) |
| 09:03.37 | MatthewWilkes | Well, next trip that's planned is mid-september to Dresden, so got a while in Berlin this time |
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| 09:04.26 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Got asked to speak at a conference and then turned up on the programme under the keynote heading. Scary. |
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| 09:05.29 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: ouch :) |
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| 09:06.23 | MatthewWilkes | At least they want me to do it in English |
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| 09:21.06 | thebolt | good for oyu :) |
| 09:21.18 | thebolt | i have now got a date for my thesis (msc) presentation/defense |
| 09:21.25 | thebolt | have to prepare that presentation (and a few comments on my report) |
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| 09:24.20 | qrng | MatthewWilkes: I do not drink beer. |
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| 09:24.38 | qrng | So, no loss on my part. |
| 09:25.12 | qrng | Besides, I have never been keen on the idea to have a beer belly. |
| 09:25.22 | qrng | would rather die. |
| 09:28.12 | qrng | Also, I must admit that I don't know a whit of Danish, so their local vernaculars are all equally incomprehensible to me. I do hope, however, that southern jylland or not, but their English is decipherable. |
| 09:29.29 | qrng | That is, if they don't have the same attitude as French (or qnrg in France), where people act as if they don't understand a word in English. |
| 09:32.21 | ojwb | or a word of an english person trying to speak french |
| 09:32.38 | qrng | :-D |
| 09:32.55 | qrng | Fortunately, I am not an Anglophone. |
| 09:33.52 | qrng | The problem with Frenglish is that people English speaking people do not have the sense of rhythm. |
| 09:34.07 | qrng | s/people\ English/English/g |
| 09:34.54 | qrng | French is "wavy", it simply rolls from one's tongue. |
| 09:35.18 | qrng | English speaking people spit French. :-X |
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| 09:37.38 | qrng | Also, there's this thing with grammatical constructions. English speaking people usually use French in a very curious manner. |
| 09:38.42 | qrng | For example, they tend to abuse "est-ce que", using it as a straight replacement of "do/does" in questions. |
| 09:39.15 | qrng | For example: Ou est-ce que t'abites? |
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| 09:39.19 | qrng | Where do you live? |
| 09:39.35 | qrng | Sounds horribly artificial. |
| 09:39.45 | qrng | One would rather ask t'abites ou? |
| 09:40.09 | qrng | Or, if you want to be Very Proper, you can ask Ou habites-tu? |
| 09:44.18 | gevaerts | would definitely add a 'h' there :) |
| 09:44.54 | qrng | Ah, yes. |
| 09:46.42 | qrng | Well, no you see. I tend to drop 'h's. :-D |
| 09:46.47 | qrng | *now |
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| 09:47.55 | Waren | yop |
| 09:48.15 | qrng | Bonjour. |
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| 09:56.08 | qrng | Ah! Also, I remember one case when a bloke told us how he took his dad and mom to the local restaurant. |
| 09:56.57 | qrng | The story was very touching, but when told in French and translated almost word-by-word from English, this "took" sounded rather... amusing. :-D |
| 09:57.18 | qrng | sniggers. |
| 09:58.09 | qrng | He pretty much told us how he had an intercourse with his dad and mom in the restaurant. |
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| 10:23.00 | kblin | thebolt: there's parts of denmark where people don't sound like they're talking swedish with a hot potato in their mouth? |
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| 10:27.51 | kblin | qrng: so you'd also say that "Je ne sais pas" sounds awfully aritificial and one should say "sais pas"? |
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| 10:38.41 | ojwb | kblin: just shrug |
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| 10:43.25 | thebolt | kblin: well, around copenhagen etc it is not very hard for me (as a Swede) to understand.. but in southern "mainland" denmark (close to german border) it is pretty hard.. they have a lot of mashed potato ;) |
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| 10:46.52 | qrng | kblin: Depends on the context. |
| 10:47.36 | qrng | If you are talking with someone important, you probably want to avoid colloquialisms. |
| 10:48.31 | kblin | qrng: in that context I'd also use "Ou est-ce que vous habites", though |
| 10:49.02 | qrng | No, no, no. There's no context where this would fly. |
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| 10:49.36 | kblin | tell that to my french teacher, please :) |
| 10:50.30 | qrng | Your teacher would tell you the same. |
| 10:50.45 | qrng | "Ou habitez-vous?" is very proper. |
| 10:51.24 | kblin | I trust you on that one, but I'm pretty sure that's not what I learned at school |
| 10:51.54 | gevaerts | kblin: habitez at least |
| 10:54.45 | kblin | yeah, whatever, it's been a couple of years |
| 10:55.03 | kblin | but I'm pretty sure about the est-ce que part of the question |
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| 10:56.17 | qrng | D'oh. |
| 10:56.41 | qrng | "Qu'est-ce que tu fais aujourd'hui?" is a normal question. |
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| 10:57.24 | qrng | "Ou est-ce que vous habitez?", on the other hand, does not sound ok. |
| 10:57.50 | qrng | Stilted, at least. |
| 10:57.55 | qrng | People don't talk that way. |
| 10:59.01 | kblin | qrng: I don't think that fazes a french teacher, though |
| 10:59.16 | kblin | I bet people don't swear saying "zut alors!" either |
| 10:59.47 | baer | my memory agrees with kblin |
| 11:00.00 | baer | learned it the same way |
| 11:00.38 | kblin | then again, my french school book also talked about this new "walkman" gadget, so it's probably form the late 70s |
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| 11:01.02 | baer | kblin: luc tonnere and his "magnetophone"? |
| 11:01.19 | qrng | kblin: Zut alors sounds ok. ;-D Your teacher was probably an old lady? :-) |
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| 11:01.33 | kblin | qrng: nah. not at all |
| 11:02.06 | kblin | late 30s, maybe |
| 11:02.27 | qrng | Well, in my book that's "old". :-) |
| 11:02.40 | kblin | my latin teacher was an old lady, late 60s |
| 11:02.49 | qrng | That expression was common at some time. |
| 11:03.03 | kblin | not that this impacts on the up-to-dateness of latin much |
| 11:03.14 | qrng | Aha. :-) |
| 11:04.42 | kblin | anyway, I guess my point is that if foreigners talk funny, that might be due to their lousy school books ;) |
| 11:05.26 | qrng | Those things pass when you get more experienced. |
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| 11:08.14 | kblin | I've never really used my french after school |
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| 11:16.03 | ThibG | I've heard things about foreign French teachers :) |
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| 11:33.03 | qrng | My professor at uni was very cool. She often said that being able to convey a point is the ultimate goal when you learn a language. She often reiterated this point by giving an example with seats; that is, if you want to ask if a seat is vacant, you simply ask "Libre?" pointing at that seat, instead of trying to impress a person next to you with you flair. |
| 11:33.55 | thebolt | qrng: the problem is then with languagse where you have to be correct to get a point across :P |
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| 11:34.39 | qrng | Yes, and simple constructions are better understood and easier to "parse". :-) |
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| 12:17.52 | qrng | Somebody wrote that there was a transaction in India, so he or she lost some GSoC money. |
| 12:18.11 | qrng | Is it only me, or Citi prepaid services work AWFULLY slow? |
| 12:18.22 | qrng | wants to check his account. |
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| 12:57.40 | drt24 | qrng: it is not just you. Citi fails. |
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| 13:02.03 | qrng | nods. |
| 13:02.16 | qrng | Citi is really this year's GSoC failure. |
| 13:02.32 | qrng | Epic and out of all proportions. :-X |
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| 13:05.31 | drt24 | well if they provided SWIFT then they would just be a minor irritation - unfortunately they don't |
| 13:07.18 | thebolt | two years ago (I think it was) google used SWIFT bank transfer for reimbursing travel to mentor summit |
| 13:07.43 | thebolt | took a bit over five months before I got my money (now, the currency change during that time ment i gained almost 100 usd on the transaction, but still) |
| 13:08.37 | Ivanovic | thebolt: the orgs are still payed via bank transfer |
| 13:08.41 | thebolt | google(s bank) was convinced the last digit of my account number was a check digit and should be dropped on the transfer setup.. my bank was equaly convinced it was not so the payment didn't go through |
| 13:08.59 | thebolt | Ivanovic: ok, well, hopefully not too many people will have the same trouble I had |
| 13:09.06 | Ivanovic | thebolt: though at least last year it was a case of "the org got the travelreimbursement for all mentors as well as the mentor money and has to make sure that the mentors get their money" |
| 13:09.58 | thebolt | Ivanovic: yea, i know.. i was at the summit last year ,) |
| 13:10.04 | Ivanovic | ah, okay |
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| 13:10.58 | Ivanovic | problem with this setup is that it might take longer for the mentors to get the money due to the additional step |
| 13:11.17 | Ivanovic | (but if the orgs do have enough funds, they can theoretically reimburse the mentors before the google payment does arrive) |
| 13:11.47 | thebolt | also some money "disappears" in fees etc |
| 13:11.49 | Ivanovic | sure, for google it is by far the easiest solution to just send one payment per org |
| 13:12.13 | thebolt | but yea, I understand why it is like that, I would also do it like that if I had to be google ;) |
| 13:12.41 | Ivanovic | yes, if the mentor is in the US (and his account thus done in $) where the orgs fund is in euro land you will end with paying double fees |
| 13:13.12 | Ivanovic | once when the org receives the money since the payment is done in $ and the bank transfers it to ⬠and a second time when the mentor receives the money, since the org can just wire ⬠that have to be converted |
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| 13:16.16 | qrng | Google could lend a division of their engineers to Citi. |
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| 13:16.38 | thebolt | Ivanovic: well, not only if it is US, but any other currency than euro |
| 13:16.44 | thebolt | Ivanovic: i am in sweden, we use swedish krona ;) |
| 13:16.52 | qrng | Having in mind that even beta Google products work exceeding expectations... |
| 13:17.02 | Ivanovic | thebolt: this was just an example, sure |
| 13:17.16 | Ivanovic | qrng: not possible |
| 13:17.27 | qrng | Wishful thinking. :-X |
| 13:17.30 | Ivanovic | qrng: then you would suddenly have a bank that does work reasonably and that in the US |
| 13:17.48 | Ivanovic | this would basically mean that the world is about to end |
| 13:17.51 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:18.09 | thebolt | hehe |
| 13:18.33 | qrng | Well, I am in the mood to call Citi this evening and to give them a piece of my mind. |
| 13:18.58 | Ivanovic | ah, you want to speak with an outsources call center agent |
| 13:19.00 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 13:19.51 | qrng | At least, that would be quite refreshing. |
| 13:20.00 | qrng | Invigorating, even. |
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| 13:24.04 | qrng | Hm, I am surprised to find out this streak of bit&^iness. :-/ |
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| 15:00.24 | ebo | sorry I missed the sleep discussion. There is a project arround (and I'm trying to dig it back up) which used a common pressure sensor in data logging movement durring sleep. I like the accelerometer idea... |
| 15:01.37 | ebo | re: Citibank... Maybe Google should start their own bank! With all the shenanigans the banks have been pulling I bet a non-evil bank with just a few simple services would go over well. |
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| 15:04.14 | Kosma | !next |
| 15:04.14 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
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| 15:11.51 | vegard | it's 17th already... *sigh* |
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| 15:26.43 | dberkholz | so far got 4 confirmed new developers. waiting to hear from the rest |
| 15:26.51 | dberkholz | yay gsoc |
| 15:27.45 | thebolt | dberkholz: nice |
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| 16:03.10 | _Samo | ryen, corners should look like this: http://www.yafaray.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=1461&mode=view |
| 16:03.35 | _Samo | sorry wrong channel |
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| 17:24.23 | dennda | Why does the citi site keep logging me out? |
| 17:25.12 | dennda | hm firefox works, chrome doesn't |
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| 17:42.19 | paulproteus | If I'm a mentor, now is a good time to log into socghop.appspot.com and review my student, right? |
| 17:42.34 | paulproteus | When I go to manage my student, the page at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/manage/google/gsoc2010/google/t127230759500 says, "There is no entity with the required status." |
| 17:42.59 | paulproteus | !timeline |
| 17:42.59 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 17:44.31 | paulproteus | Hey aganice! |
| 17:44.55 | aganice | hey there |
| 17:45.22 | aganice | how'd the openhatch missions project go? |
| 17:45.39 | paulproteus | Pretty well. I think stump_ is still finishing up the IRC mission, but overall I declare the project a success. |
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| 17:46.12 | paulproteus | My plan is to polish them up, write a guide for how people can write their own and get them into the site, and then do a big publicity spree. (-: |
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| 17:47.02 | paulproteus | carols: Something for you, I think -- not necessarily urgent! I'm trying to review my student. When I go to manage my student, the page at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/manage/google/gsoc2010/google/t127230759500 says, "There is no entity with the required status." |
| 17:47.16 | carols | paulproteus: please email melange-soc-dev |
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| 17:47.33 | paulproteus | carols: Great! |
| 17:50.55 | paulproteus | carols: http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc-dev/post says "New topic submitted to moderators of melange-soc-dev for review. Your post will appear in this group after it is approved by moderators." |
| 17:51.09 | paulproteus | I think that's all there is for me to do, so now I'll go back to waiting. (-: |
| 17:52.32 | carols | paulproteus: ok |
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| 18:09.20 | GG___ | !timeline |
| 18:09.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 18:25.15 | vjsamuel | !next |
| 18:25.15 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
| 18:25.25 | vjsamuel | !timeline |
| 18:25.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 18:28.09 | carols | !couch |
| 18:28.09 | socinfo | "couch" is open source couch on which to chill |
| 18:28.15 | carols | ah, wonderful couch |
| 18:28.25 | carols | pulls up couch |
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| 18:29.08 | straydawg | lo |
| 18:29.12 | straydawg | lo, carols :) |
| 18:29.19 | carols | hey straydawg |
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| 18:31.01 | caden | i am having some trouble contacting my mentor-- how do i find out who the 'administrative contact' is for my mentoring organization? |
| 18:32.39 | mkarnicki | carols: hi carols :) long time no see, I was busy coding gsoc project :D I've got a question -- since we can't change anything starting 16th August evening, can I submit my work already if I'm a committer on my orgs code.google.com/~ project? |
| 18:33.04 | carols | mkarnicki: not yet, we dont have the repositories set up yet |
| 18:33.06 | carols | take a break |
| 18:33.09 | carols | have some cookies |
| 18:33.12 | carols | drink some tea |
| 18:33.17 | carols | serves some tea |
| 18:34.04 | mkarnicki | gets some tee -- thanks :) |
| 18:35.01 | mkarnicki | carols: but my org had 1 student that was authorized by you to submit his work early (as he was finishing gsoc a week ago or something like that) -- so it doesn't matter that the code.google.com project is already there? |
| 18:35.33 | mkarnicki | carols: I can wait, sure thing :) I just wanted to have it ticked-off my todo list =) |
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| 18:35.44 | carols | mkarnicki: he was a special circumstance, just be patient :-) |
| 18:35.57 | mkarnicki | carols: I see, thank you :) I will wait for 30th then :) |
| 18:36.12 | carols | mkarnicki: thanks :-) |
| 18:36.13 | mkarnicki | carols: gsoc was awesome! |
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| 18:36.26 | carols | mkarnicki: i'm so glad to hear you enjoyed it :-) |
| 18:36.29 | carols | that's what we like |
| 18:36.32 | mkarnicki | carols: great challenge, and very gratifying! |
| 18:36.46 | carols | oh good :-) |
| 18:37.09 | mkarnicki | carols: since gsoc aims at finding new open source developers, I think you've managed to put me on the list, I'm totally in OSS development -- finally ^ ^ |
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| 18:37.29 | carols | mkarnicki: awesome! that is the really great news. more OS developers :-) |
| 18:37.32 | mkarnicki | (that's one of the things gsoc aims at, as written on it's page/faq/somewhere :D ) |
| 18:37.36 | mkarnicki | \o/ |
| 18:38.55 | mkarnicki | carols: screenshots are few days old and AndroidU1 already looks better, but you can have a look at them if you like! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1/screenshots |
| 18:39.27 | carols | mkarnicki: that's awesome. good job :-) |
| 18:40.00 | mkarnicki | carols: thanks ^_^ !! |
| 18:40.49 | carols | :-) |
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| 19:59.26 | youpi | I'm not sure to understand the following question exactly: « How much time have you spent on Google Summer of Code since the midterm evaluations (again, take into consideration both time mentoring the student and working on the program as a whole)? » |
| 19:59.41 | youpi | does "working on the program as a whole" mean for things other than the gsoc parts? |
| 20:00.43 | thebolt | youpi: if you are a project admin for example there might be "mentoring mentors", "paperwork" etc |
| 20:00.58 | youpi | ok, that's still related to gsoc |
| 20:01.16 | youpi | i.e. by "program", the question means "the gsoc program" |
| 20:01.22 | youpi | not the application at stake :) |
| 20:03.05 | thebolt | yes |
| 20:03.33 | thebolt | (that is how i would interpret it at least and that is what makes sense.. ;) |
| 20:04.33 | youpi | well, I almost never use the "program" word for something else than software... |
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