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| 05:54.39 | rrix | Bah. :< |
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| 07:36.13 | h4xordood | or just fill final eval report and submit code on 30th august ? |
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| 08:41.41 | kblin | why is it so hard to read the friggin !timeline? |
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| 08:43.19 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Coding has finished (see the !timeline) - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd |
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| 09:27.55 | ojwb | kblin: or to wait more than one minute for an answer |
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| 10:27.36 | kblin | ojwb: I gave up on that one |
| 10:27.49 | kblin | ah, ::1, sweet ::1 |
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| 11:02.32 | drt24 | !timeline |
| 11:02.32 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 11:03.48 | drt24 | 16th August is tomorrow? so there is still a few hours before the firm pencils down? |
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| 11:07.20 | smtms | drt24, it's still tomorrow |
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| 11:16.51 | drt24 | smtms: but the topic says "Coding has finished" I think that this is currently wrong but will tomorrow become true. |
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| 11:18.21 | jkff | Hi. Is this the place to ask questions about Google Code? |
| 11:21.05 | ojwb | jkff: no |
| 11:21.24 | jkff | ojwb: Thanks. Is there a more appropriate place, then? |
| 11:21.37 | ojwb | well, anywhere else... |
| 11:21.41 | jkff | OK |
| 11:21.47 | ojwb | i assume they have some sort of support mechanism |
| 11:23.27 | smtms | drt24, the timeline is authoritative |
| 11:24.50 | ojwb | and of course you can continue to code anyway - it's just the cut-off date your mentor should use to judge your gsoc work |
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| 11:42.18 | kblin | drt24: I used the "suggested pencils down" date as start date to claim that coding has finished |
| 11:42.50 | kblin | but that's also why it says "see !timeline" |
| 11:43.36 | kblin | and personally if my student hadn't convinced me that he passed already, I doubt a few hours would change my opinion |
| 11:49.26 | drt24 | indeed :-) |
| 11:49.47 | merwok | I got a free week too :) |
| 11:50.18 | merwok | My mentor was satisfied last Monday and let me do what I wanted. |
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| 14:41.22 | josip | !timeline |
| 14:41.22 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 14:44.24 | smtms | !next |
| 14:44.25 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
| 14:44.37 | smtms | !mor info |
| 14:44.37 | socinfo | Error: "mor" is not a valid command. |
| 14:45.13 | kblin | fix it |
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| 17:57.25 | erlehmann | !countdown |
| 17:57.25 | socinfo | "countdown" is The deadline for submitting a student project proposal has passed. |
| 17:57.54 | lolfrenz | huh what? |
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| 17:59.59 | erlehmann | !deadline |
| 17:59.59 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 18:00.02 | erlehmann | !timeline |
| 18:00.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 18:00.42 | kblin | lolfrenz: yeah, that deadline was in april |
| 18:01.27 | lolfrenz | I expected !countdown to be the one until the next deadline step heh |
| 18:01.29 | erlehmann | 23hrs to go. |
| 18:01.34 | erlehmann | AMIRITE? |
| 18:01.44 | kblin | well fix it? |
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| 18:02.12 | kblin | but usually the next thing is what we use !next for |
| 18:02.14 | kblin | !next |
| 18:02.14 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
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| 18:27.13 | MatthewWilkes | aaarrrggghhh |
| 18:27.25 | smtms | what's the fair use limit? |
| 18:27.55 | MatthewWilkes | 1gb - it's a mobile phone, not got my DSL installed yet |
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| 18:52.30 | dottedmag | looks at requirements for getting US visa and sighs. |
| 18:52.41 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: aw |
| 18:53.49 | smtms | dottedmag, why would you need one? |
| 18:53.58 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: sounds like mine.. it sucks but i very seldom hit 1GB |
| 18:54.11 | dottedmag | smtms: for mentor summit |
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| 18:58.24 | kblin | dottedmag: doesn't an invitation help? |
| 18:59.02 | dottedmag | kblin: nope. I am sure they won't give a visa to self-employed person with no real estate or family. |
| 19:00.00 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Easy enough without home internet ;) |
| 19:00.10 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: true |
| 19:00.12 | kblin | you don't need a work visa, though |
| 19:00.27 | kblin | shouldn't a B-1 be sufficient? |
| 19:00.45 | thebolt | dottedmag: what country do you come from? |
| 19:00.48 | dottedmag | thebolt: Russia |
| 19:01.02 | lolfrenz | US loves russia indeed. |
| 19:01.05 | dottedmag | kblin: sure. Still I had a trouble even getting a German visa, and they are more liberal. |
| 19:01.07 | kblin | thebolt: the "altlinux" hostmask kind of gives that away |
| 19:01.23 | dottedmag | ugh, I should change it to debian. |
| 19:01.30 | kblin | dottedmag: only if you're a manager of gazprom |
| 19:01.32 | thebolt | dottedmag: hm, pretty sure there have been russians at earlier conferences (not 100% sure though) |
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| 19:02.02 | dottedmag | thebolt: I know, it's just my situation which is pretty bad from getting visa standpoint. |
| 19:02.41 | thebolt | dottedmag: maybe, yea.. i guess i am lucky in that regard, coming from a country where it is pretty easy to get a visa anywhere |
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| 19:03.56 | dottedmag | Lucky you. I have started an project of getting rid of my shitty passport, but it is long-term, 10 years at least :-| |
| 19:05.00 | thiago_home | you need a B-1 visa for the summit |
| 19:05.23 | thiago_home | when I went to get mine 3 years ago, with the help of the invitation letter, they said "conference, it's business, so you need a business visa" |
| 19:06.43 | thebolt | two years ago i had a bit of a trouble at the border explaining how it was a "non-business conference" (in the end i think it ended up closer to "educational conference as I am a student") to get the visa wavier stuff approved.. |
| 19:07.53 | thebolt | thiago_home: what did you end up with in the end? |
| 19:08.03 | thiago_home | B-1/B-2 5-year-visa |
| 19:09.45 | thiago_home | when I went to the embassy, I brought my employment contract and my rental contract as well, to prove that I wouldn't be staying in the US |
| 19:09.50 | thiago_home | it was rather painless |
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| 20:42.56 | qrng | Good morning, ladies and gentlemen! |
| 20:43.20 | kblin | good night :) |
| 20:46.06 | thebolt | hi qrng |
| 20:46.27 | qrng | You two seem to be virtually permanent fixtures in this fine establishment. :-D |
| 20:46.40 | qrng | For God's sake, don't you ever sleep? ;-D |
| 20:47.40 | gevaerts | wonders what this "sleep" might be |
| 20:48.14 | thebolt | i will sleep when i retire |
| 20:49.11 | qrng | Yes, the difference will be that I will retire still being moderately handsome, without bags under my eyes and sans no unavoidable wrinkles. |
| 20:49.35 | thebolt | hehe |
| 20:49.41 | gevaerts | But what's the advantage of that? |
| 20:49.43 | qrng | You, on the other hand, are going to have yellowish and saggy skin, and ulcer to boot. :-X |
| 20:50.41 | qrng | gevaerts: He will have to pay more for getting laid. |
| 20:51.15 | thebolt | qrng: to be fair, i do sleep.. but seems your timing seems to be such that i am often online ;) |
| 20:51.28 | gevaerts | qrng: yes, but he'll be able to afford it by having worked twice as much :) |
| 20:51.46 | qrng | Pfff... |
| 20:52.05 | thebolt | hehe |
| 20:52.09 | gevaerts | Now the ulcer might be a good point |
| 20:52.10 | qrng | It's important to work smart and not hard. The quantity is a poor substitution for quality. |
| 20:52.24 | thebolt | true |
| 20:52.38 | thebolt | but when there is a certain amount of work to do and too little time the amount/time iwll be high ;) |
| 20:53.16 | qrng | Elucidate, please. |
| 20:55.16 | thebolt | well, in my case right now, starting up a company needs a certain amount of administrative work to do.. and to make CAD drawings for a product to be produced needs a certain number of things to be finished.. if both those needs to be done very soon well, then the work-density will be high .) |
| 20:57.21 | qrng | A clever thing would be to coordinate the work. For example, I've never bothered to do my own drawings in university, when my boyfriend is artistically inclided and can do those for free! |
| 20:58.12 | qrng | Much better than I can, at any rate. |
| 20:58.50 | qrng | This, on the other hand, has the benefit of having more time to do something really constructive. |
| 20:59.07 | qrng | Like deriving stochastic formulas. :-D |
| 21:01.20 | thebolt | well, problem is getting someone to work for you on a commercial project for free ,) |
| 21:01.34 | thebolt | right now I have no idea how you do that, so until we can pay people we have to do the work ourselves ;) |
| 21:01.42 | gevaerts | wonders if qrng is one of those people who drown in rivers that are one meter deep on average :) |
| 21:02.07 | qrng | gevaerts: Most certainly not. I am an excellent swimmer. |
| 21:02.58 | gevaerts | :) |
| 21:03.02 | qrng | thebolt: There is that. To get people working for free on a commercial project would require you to have really admirable skills in brainf%&ing. |
| 21:03.23 | qrng | But this would be the epitome of work smart and not hard. :-D |
| 21:03.27 | thebolt | for pretty much all cases of drowning the swimming ability doesn't make shit :P |
| 21:03.42 | thebolt | hehe, well, we're actually getting one mechanical engineer who will begin to do some work for us from tuesday on |
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| 21:03.46 | thebolt | to take some of the CAD of my hands ;) |
| 21:03.54 | thebolt | (mechanical CAD) |
| 21:04.23 | qrng | And you, of course, have promised him piles of gold sometime in the future? ;-) |
| 21:04.24 | thebolt | that said, anyone who feels like designing a logo for a small other project of mine? :) |
| 21:04.54 | thebolt | her, and not really, but at least something to put on the resume (and for a freshly diplomized mech designer/product developer that is good as well ;) |
| 21:05.13 | gevaerts | I'd say that if you have the necessary skills to get people to work for you for free, chances are you don't have the sort of background that makes you hang out here |
| 21:05.17 | qrng | Ah, I see. Now, that's clever. |
| 21:05.46 | qrng | gevaerts: Yeah. Chances are, that you are a hardcore capitalist, then. |
| 21:06.00 | qrng | And those run in wholly different circles. |
| 21:06.01 | gevaerts | That and a good psychologist |
| 21:06.42 | thebolt | gevaerts: could be.. the pm of the project got me to work on the project for free for a couple of months ;-) (but well, now i am chief engineer and 30% owner of the projet/company) guess it shows then why i am here and he is not ;) |
| 21:06.46 | gevaerts | On the other hand, I'd guess this is one of the good places to meet those who do things for free for those other people :) |
| 21:07.24 | thebolt | well, foss isn't neccesarily about costless ;) |
| 21:07.50 | qrng | Well, I am a good psychologist. :-D For example, I was lackadaisically polishing my nails at home, when I knew perfectly well that my dearest was going to get back very soon. At least, I could have made something edible, but, no, I felt too lazy. |
| 21:08.07 | gevaerts | No, but it quite often is about spare time evening work |
| 21:08.40 | gevaerts | qrng: Being lazy isn't necessarily a sign of being a good psychologist! |
| 21:09.10 | qrng | Anyhow, with the tempest in the mug brewing, because my dearest in not in very best moods when hunger plays marches, I got an idea what to do. |
| 21:09.18 | gevaerts | knows that because he's one of them but not the other |
| 21:09.43 | qrng | So, doors opened. |
| 21:10.02 | thebolt | gevaerts: :P |
| 21:10.59 | qrng | I told him: "Oh, you look very tired!" He said: "Yeah." "Look, you deserve a good meal!" He: "Yeah..." "Well, let's go to that local restaurant, they have excellent cuisine!" |
| 21:11.12 | qrng | The outcome being that I got my nails polished, I ate, and he paid. |
| 21:11.28 | gevaerts | still has some doubts |
| 21:11.55 | gevaerts | It sounds great now, but did you really plan for all those results? |
| 21:11.57 | qrng | Don't have. Blokes are easy to manipulate, especially when you stroke their egos. |
| 21:12.11 | qrng | gevaerts: Yes. :-D |
| 21:12.30 | gevaerts | makes plans to avoid qrng! |
| 21:13.28 | thebolt | haha |
| 21:13.42 | thebolt | sounds like normal female trickery to me, nothing exceptional :P |
| 21:13.43 | MatthewWilkes | qrng: I think it's more that we don't mind the manipulation in exchange for the ego stroking :P |
| 21:14.10 | thebolt | :D |
| 21:14.54 | qrng | Whatever, as long as the outcome is to the satisfaction of involved parties. :-) |
| 21:15.13 | gevaerts | Or at least the involved parties that matter? :) |
| 21:15.20 | qrng | :-D |
| 21:21.53 | qrng | Anyhow, the keywords are: 'what could I do without you?', 'oh, you are so brilliant!', 'I am helpless at this' (meaning: I don't want to do this on my own), 'I couldn't have done like this!' |
| 21:21.57 | qrng | Etc. |
| 21:22.28 | gevaerts | Are you sure you're allowed to tell us this? Isn't that confidential? |
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| 21:24.50 | qrng | I am doing you service, m'dear chap. |
| 21:25.25 | qrng | Besides, that's only basic level. |
| 21:25.51 | gevaerts | Ah, in that case, thanks! |
| 21:26.37 | MatthewWilkes | qrng: Good, because at least the last two of those are infuriating and not the slightest bit appreciated :P |
| 21:27.39 | qrng | T'was pretty generic. Some _love_ to feel very able and very in control. |
| 21:28.52 | thebolt | talking of relations, let me make you aware that it today/tomorrow (depending on timezone) is the 7-7th festival ;) |
| 21:30.24 | thebolt | (a bit like the chinese valentines day these days.. ) |
| 21:32.18 | qrng | I didn't know that. Thank you. |
| 21:33.17 | qrng | By the way, when do we get to complete those Final Questionaires? |
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| 21:34.38 | gevaerts | Tomorrow I think |
| 21:34.49 | gevaerts | Unless you decide to delegate that task to someone else ;) |
| 21:35.15 | qrng | No chance in hell. |
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| 21:36.16 | qrng | gevaerts: What did you do for GSoC? |
| 21:36.29 | gevaerts | I was a mentor for rockbox |
| 21:36.44 | qrng | And this is?.. |
| 21:36.46 | gevaerts | s/was/am/ |
| 21:37.17 | gevaerts | rockbox? To quote from the website, "Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. It runs on a wide range of players" |
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| 21:37.32 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: What's that? 7-7 is hard to google for |
| 21:37.48 | gevaerts | The project in particular is to make it run as an application in an existing host OS, e.g. on smartphones |
| 21:37.49 | qrng | Ah, a replacement for iPod firmware? |
| 21:38.26 | gevaerts | Yes, except ipods are just a small subset of what we support (and we don't support all ipods) |
| 21:39.03 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: ä¸å¤ç¯ if that is easier for you |
| 21:39.17 | qrng | I've heard something about that, then, albeit I must admit that my interest in mp3 players is rather shallow. |
| 21:39.40 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: or qixijie transcribed.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi_Xi |
| 21:39.49 | qrng | I.e., I know they exist. :-D |
| 21:39.55 | gevaerts | They're not interesting to *use*, but they're fun to work on :) |
| 21:40.05 | thebolt | haha |
| 21:40.18 | qrng | gevaerts: Now, this I can understand. :-) |
| 21:41.49 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: ncie |
| 21:42.15 | MatthewWilkes | nice* |
| 21:42.49 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: it is one of the nice things about taiwan.. you have both the chinese and the western holidays (at least among young people) |
| 21:42.56 | qrng | Young girls traditionally demonstrate their domestic arts, especially melon carving, on this day and make wishes for a good husband. :-X |
| 21:43.26 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: two "valentines"-days, two new years (Wtih totally different celebrations, but still) etc ;) |
| 21:43.26 | qrng | Victims of the patriarchatic major discourse of society! |
| 21:43.28 | gevaerts | Melon carving is *important*! |
| 21:44.33 | qrng | Kirche, kuche, kinder mentality is something I detest with passion. |
| 21:44.58 | gevaerts | decides to do something about avoiding this ulcer qrng mentioned |
| 21:45.03 | gevaerts | Goodnight! |
| 21:45.15 | qrng | Sleep tight! |
| 21:46.17 | MatthewWilkes | qrng: You had me at Kirche ;) |
| 21:46.21 | MatthewWilkes | (The detesting with a passion, that is) |
| 21:46.41 | qrng | This is KKK or 3K. |
| 21:47.08 | thebolt | qrng: well, it does say "traditionally".. i have not yet seen that part in Taiwan where I have been, but I am sure it is still so in parts of mainland China |
| 21:49.48 | qrng | I have no doubt. "Traditions" that put some people in the position of power and others in the position of submissiveness are the hardest to eradicate. |
| 21:51.47 | thebolt | well, i guess some of the (chinese, but also in other places) traditions related to what is the proper way of young men and women to meet are well, pretty old-style :P |
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| 21:57.37 | qrng | Well, 'new style' promoted by Raspberry reich does not seem very appealing, either. :-D |
| 21:57.55 | qrng | giggles. |
| 22:00.43 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 22:08.52 | dukebody | Anybody from Spain having gone through the taxes stuff or knowing what to do? |
| 22:10.16 | dukebody | I know Google doesn't provide tax advice but I'm not sure about what kind of employment relationship do we non-US students have with Google. |
| 22:13.40 | MatthewWilkes | Everyone help dukebody, he's a Plone student and therefore great. |
| 22:13.42 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
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