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| 02:04.21 | vaasu | hi, is gsoc 2010 available for students in southern hemisphere in their summer time? |
| 02:04.38 | Catfish_Man | it is not |
| 02:05.24 | vaasu | erm, how about next year? |
| 02:05.51 | vaasu | or any provisions for students residing in southern hemisphere? |
| 02:05.54 | Catfish_Man | well, GSOC hasn't been announced for next year, so nobody knows for sure |
| 02:06.10 | vaasu | hmm |
| 02:06.10 | Catfish_Man | but if it's like all previous years then it's just northern hemisphere summer |
| 02:06.21 | vaasu | oh |
| 02:06.52 | vaasu | thanks for the information |
| 02:07.08 | Catfish_Man | np; sorry about the issue |
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| 04:35.17 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 05:55.54 | hiddenpearls | hey, when result of mid term evaluation will be published ? |
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| 06:13.47 | robbyoconnor | hiddenpearls: They already have |
| 06:13.53 | robbyoconnor | complete the survey and wait ;) |
| 06:14.01 | robbyoconnor | you *SHOULD* know if you've passed though |
| 06:14.12 | robbyoconnor | your mentor should be in regular communication with you ;) |
| 06:14.39 | hiddenpearls | my mentor said, they will evaluate today |
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| 06:15.36 | hiddenpearls | so, right when he completes the survey ;) |
| 06:15.42 | hiddenpearls | I can get notified ? |
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| 06:40.22 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:37.13 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 07:37.49 | thebolt | hi kblin , how do you do? |
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| 08:07.33 | PacketCollision | This is what i do (and what it returns): root@pc01:~# rndc retransfer finalgear.com in internal |
| 08:07.34 | PacketCollision | rndc: 'retransfer' failed: not found |
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| 14:08.45 | shreyas_ | is there a way to see the propasals written by others, all i see is title and abstract |
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| 14:10.33 | adifire | shreyas_: others might not have written so much about it.. |
| 14:10.48 | adifire | they have to individually write it.. |
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| 14:12.57 | svaksha | shreyas_: afaik, you cant but the org admins and mentors can |
| 14:13.33 | shreyas_ | svaksha: k thanks |
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| 14:14.15 | ojwb | some orgs get students to put them online somewhere, so try a websearch for the title |
| 14:16.01 | YuviPanda | shreyas_: here's mine http://gist.github.com/356202 |
| 14:16.11 | YuviPanda | shreyas_: i did find a lot of students who didn't put it up online though |
| 14:21.05 | valeuf | shreyas_: here is mine : http://moinmo.in/ValentinJaniaut/GSoC/Application |
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| 14:21.24 | valeuf | it depends of the student, some publish their proposal online, some others don't |
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| 15:07.52 | vegard | hosting a gsoc info session, hm, speaking of which |
| 15:08.05 | vegard | is it possible to have posters sent that I could hang around campus? |
| 15:09.45 | kai | vegard: a bit late for this year, I guess |
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| 15:10.29 | vegard | oh, really. |
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| 15:10.35 | vegard | I meant for next year :-p |
| 15:10.50 | kai | it's not even sure if there will be a gsoc 2011 |
| 15:11.00 | kai | google never preannounces products |
| 15:11.15 | vegard | hm |
| 15:11.35 | gautam | gsoc is a product :) |
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| 15:12.09 | kai | well, google never really preannounces anything |
| 15:12.20 | kai | a bit like oracle, less evil, though |
| 15:12.23 | gevaerts | it's gsoc beta actually :) |
| 15:12.27 | gevaerts | runs |
| 15:12.49 | vegard | so how about sending the posters if/when the gsoc 2011 is announced? |
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| 15:15.04 | kai | vegard: I don't think google sends posters anywhere. they spend most of the gsoc budget on gsoc |
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| 15:15.20 | vegard | eh |
| 15:15.31 | vegard | PDF then, I'll print them :-S |
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| 15:26.27 | kai | vegard: they have advertsing material (flyers, usually) I think |
| 15:26.34 | kai | not exactly sure |
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| 16:01.37 | njw_ | i'm the admin for a gsoc project. the mentors have submitted their evaluations, but i can't find them in melange. am i missing something? do i need to review the evaluations before they are official? |
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| 16:07.33 | jenred | njw_ did you look under "Manage Student Projects" ? |
| 16:08.47 | jenred | there you should be see the counts for mentor and student evaluations |
| 16:09.02 | jenred | if you select a row it brings you to the project page |
| 16:10.25 | njw_ | jenred: thanks! i hadn't spotted that link in the sea of link. |
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| 16:13.38 | jenred | njw_ welcome ;> |
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| 16:19.56 | Jeff_S | jenred: are you the jenred I know? :) |
| 16:20.26 | jenred | Jeff_S are you the Jeff_S from OSL? |
| 16:20.31 | Jeff_S | that is me |
| 16:20.37 | jenred | it's me too! ;> |
| 16:20.40 | Jeff_S | hah |
| 16:20.56 | Jeff_S | jenred: will you be around OSCON next week? |
| 16:21.23 | jenred | yes most likely |
| 16:21.25 | jenred | you? |
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| 16:21.49 | Jeff_S | jenred: yeah, I'll be there :) Did you hear about our OSL & Wine tour on Friday? You should go! |
| 16:22.14 | jenred | Jeff_S no that sounds like fun! |
| 16:22.28 | dho | probably a faq; if a midterm eval is not on file tomorrow at 1900UTC by both the student and mentor, that student fails, right? |
| 16:22.38 | Jeff_S | jenred: http://osuosl.org/about/news/osl_tour_2010 Please sign up if you can make it |
| 16:22.51 | jenred | Jeff_S thanks |
| 16:23.22 | Jeff_S | jenred: feel free to share that if you know of others that may want to join us. We've got a handful of seats still open |
| 16:24.25 | jenred | Jeff_S thanks - it's look like fun and I haven't been down to OSUOSL yet |
| 16:24.36 | jenred | always appreciates a good data center tour |
| 16:24.46 | Jeff_S | haha |
| 16:25.05 | Jeff_S | it can be fun to see all the projects we have there |
| 16:26.21 | jenred | dho carols can answer more definitively but I think the student doesn't get paid until the evals are there |
| 16:26.43 | carols | pops her head in |
| 16:26.53 | carols | dho: correct |
| 16:26.57 | dho | fuck my life |
| 16:27.02 | dho | is going to have to get on the phone |
| 16:27.03 | dho | thanks |
| 16:27.08 | carols | yw |
| 16:27.09 | carols | i think |
| 16:29.28 | Jeff_S | ... |
| 16:29.51 | Jeff_S | also, other GSoC'ers are welcome to sign up if you will be around Portland next week (see my link above ^^^) |
| 16:30.24 | carols | yay OSL tour :-) |
| 16:30.31 | carols | is looking forward to it |
| 16:31.00 | Jeff_S | carols: me too :) Or mostly the people/wine/lunch -- I've seen the data center a few times already! |
| 16:31.30 | carols | Jeff_S: i am looking forward to seeing it and to the people even more :-) |
| 16:31.56 | Jeff_S | carols: and now with jenred it will be even more fun :) |
| 16:32.06 | carols | Jeff_S: indeed :-) |
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| 16:33.25 | jenred | blushes and is now signed up! |
| 16:34.31 | Jeff_S | great |
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| 16:37.38 | arun | is there a way for orgadmins to determine if all the midterm evals were filled out (via melange)? |
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| 16:38.45 | Jeff_S | arun: yes, I believe that is shown in the table under "manage student projects" |
| 16:42.29 | arun | Jeff_S, thanks. |
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| 17:01.10 | bkgood | it shouldn't be this hard to come up with "very good or very bad interaction" I've had with my mentor, should it? |
| 17:01.51 | lolfrenz | I can't come up with one. |
| 17:02.09 | bkgood | I mean my mentor's great, have nothing but good things to say about him but I can't think of anything spectacular to call "very good" |
| 17:02.20 | lolfrenz | bkgood, same here |
| 17:02.25 | lolfrenz | I mean, we've discussed code |
| 17:02.29 | lolfrenz | and design |
| 17:02.34 | bkgood | yeah exactly |
| 17:02.39 | lolfrenz | it's good, but I don't have some log to brag with |
| 17:03.03 | vivia | i eventually did find something spectacular to write about my mentor |
| 17:03.08 | vivia | and he's having trouble finding something for me |
| 17:03.17 | bkgood | ouch |
| 17:03.18 | bkgood | lol |
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| 17:03.41 | bkgood | ok I like my situation better than vivia's |
| 17:03.52 | vivia | lol no i actually misphrased it |
| 17:04.06 | vivia | i mean. all our interactions are very good, nothing really spectacular to think about... |
| 17:04.09 | vivia | apart from that one time |
| 17:04.40 | vivia | i tried explaining to him how i could get no work done those days because i was overwhelmed with my personal life, and he listened carefully and tried to help as much as he could |
| 17:04.48 | vivia | i can write it about him but he can't write it about me :p |
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| 17:05.24 | bkgood | ok that's not as bad :) |
| 17:08.32 | vivia | yeah. i just hope "All our interactions are good, nothing really spectacular to write about" is an acceptable answer |
| 17:09.27 | vivia | afk |
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| 17:11.30 | jenred | vivia I think it's somewhat spectacular that all your interactions are good |
| 17:11.42 | jenred | consistency is also impressive ;> |
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| 17:28.37 | vivia | jenred: not as impressive as it seems. we've been friends for a few years already |
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| 18:39.51 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Coding has started! http://bit.ly/96UQZe - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd |
| 18:42.39 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I've also got something I'd like to pick your brains on in pm, if you have time. Nothing at all urgent. |
| 18:42.54 | carols | MatthewWilkes: sure, pm away |
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| 19:40.49 | nielx | quick question. Can a student appeal an evaluation by a mentor? |
| 19:41.08 | thiago_home | no |
| 19:41.47 | nielx | I read in the FAQ that the Google staff sometimes questions wh |
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| 19:41.59 | nielx | the mentor and student evaluation differ too much |
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| 21:53.14 | krkhan | i have submitted my evaluation (as a student), but i can't see any message to indicate it's complete. i just see the project list again and if i click on the project i can see my entered answers. does this mean i'm done with mid-term eval? |
| 21:55.51 | carols | krkhan: yes. |
| 21:56.13 | krkhan | carols: okay, thanks |
| 21:56.18 | carols | yw |
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| 21:58.23 | mkarnicki | krkhan: I'll fill out mine soon, too :) |
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| 22:00.58 | _ke | what happens if a mentor doesnt fill in his evaluation on time? |
| 22:01.51 | carols | _ke: the student automatically fails |
| 22:02.01 | _ke | carols, ok, thanks |
| 22:02.04 | carols | yw |
| 22:02.34 | dennda | seriously? uhh :) |
| 22:02.42 | carols | dennda: yes, seriously :-) |
| 22:02.54 | dennda | good thing I handed in mine and my mentor said he did as well |
| 22:04.56 | summatusmentis | carols: has it been like that in past years? |
| 22:05.12 | summatusmentis | I vaguely remember that, but it feels unfamiliar too |
| 22:05.28 | carols | summatusmentis: yes, but we've been lenient in enforcing it; we'll contact the mentor directly after the deadline and tell them the student's about to fail due to their lapse |
| 22:06.04 | summatusmentis | I understand why it's the position taken, but it's really sort of unfortunate for the student |
| 22:06.30 | carols | summatusmentis: i agree. but the reverse is true too - is the student doesn't submit his/her eval he/she auto fails as well |
| 22:06.47 | carols | this is why its in double stars in my email last week :-) |
| 22:06.56 | summatusmentis | indeed, except that the student is the one in control of their own destiny in that case |
| 22:07.05 | scorche|sh | this is why many orgs have multiple backups to protect against this sort of scenario |
| 22:07.26 | carols | what scorche|sh said :-) |
| 22:07.38 | summatusmentis | granted |
| 22:07.46 | scorche|sh | mentors, backup mentors, admins, etc |
| 22:07.57 | summatusmentis | I mean, I'm not sure there's a better way to do it, it just seems counter-intuitive |
| 22:09.02 | dennda | is there a way for the student to know if the mentor filled out the form? |
| 22:09.02 | scorche|sh | for this to happen is a pretty major lapse in the org's responsibilities and would requite multiple people to have erred |
| 22:09.02 | carols | dennda: ask them? |
| 22:09.09 | dennda | carols: if the mentor didn't fill out the form, chances are high that the mentor is unresponsive altogether, no? |
| 22:09.13 | scorche|sh | require... |
| 22:09.15 | summatusmentis | scorche|sh: and therefore the student is the one that gets "punished" ? |
| 22:09.34 | scorche|sh | summatusmentis: the org gets "punished" too |
| 22:09.47 | carols | dennda: if that's the case the org admin should be involved by now and i should be involved as well because we have an absent mentor |
| 22:12.08 | gangil | thinks it's unfair on students as last time too, some mentors didnt fill out the survey on time, but that only delayed the student's payment, and didn't failed them! |
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| 22:13.25 | summatusmentis | gangil: I think what carols is saying is it would have if the mentors never filled out the survey |
| 22:13.32 | summatusmentis | presumably in those cases, the mentors were just late |
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| 22:27.46 | _ke | carols, do you send a reminder mail before the end of the evaluation? |
| 22:27.57 | carols | _ke: yes, it was done about 3 hours ago |
| 22:28.27 | _ke | carols, ok thanks! |
| 22:28.30 | carols | yw |
| 22:28.42 | _ke | carols, we admins could fill out the evaluation too, right? |
| 22:28.51 | carols | _ke: on behalf of a mentor? |
| 22:29.11 | _ke | carols, yes |
| 22:29.16 | carols | _ke: yes |
| 22:29.18 | _ke | okay |
| 22:29.19 | _ke | thanks |
| 22:29.22 | carols | yw |
| 22:34.50 | mkarnicki | carols: how can gmail put that in SPAM folder, ehh :< |
| 22:35.07 | carols | mkarnicki: can't help you there. i'm not on the gmail team :-) |
| 22:35.08 | carols | sorry |
| 22:35.28 | mkarnicki | carols: I know, just saying ^_^ no worries |
| 22:35.35 | carols | :-) |
| 22:35.46 | mkarnicki | carols: glad you sent it (though I remember the deadline) |
| 22:35.49 | mkarnicki | I'll do it right now. |
| 22:36.00 | carols | mkarnicki: glad to hear it :-) |
| 22:37.20 | mkarnicki | carols: I know it's a silly question, but do you recall when was the program announced? (gsoc that is) |
| 22:37.36 | mkarnicki | I have contacted my mentor about 1,5 months before bonding I think |
| 22:37.40 | carols | per http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline February 8 |
| 22:37.45 | mkarnicki | carols: thank you =) |
| 22:37.48 | carols | yw |
| 22:38.07 | mkarnicki | silly me, didn't check the deadline |
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| 22:44.12 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Have you ever had a pizza from Dolly Dimple's? |
| 22:45.11 | MatthewWilkes | Weirdest things ever⦠|
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| 22:57.02 | carols | serves some tea, cookies and coffee |
| 22:57.16 | Catfish_Man | good timing, I just got some actual cookies :) |
| 22:57.30 | carols | mm cookies :-) |
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| 23:38.56 | mkarnicki | guys, very good example of interation - like an IRC log? or email paste? |
| 23:39.01 | mkarnicki | *interaction (with mentor) |
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| 23:48.40 | PacketCollision | mkarnicki: carols replied to a similar question via email, and the answer is "either paste an IRC Log / email or describe the interaction" |
| 23:49.16 | mkarnicki | PacketCollision: oh, thanks :) |
| 23:49.31 | PacketCollision | you're welcome! |
| 23:49.35 | mkarnicki | PacketCollision: I think I have seen it before.. just wanted to make sure :) thank you! :) |
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