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| 07:17.37 | thebolt | Morning |
| 07:21.36 | mkarnicki | morning all |
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| 07:58.40 | drt24 | downsides of communicating with mentor: mentor saying please can you do X, Y and Z before the midterm evalutation :-P yey deadlines ;-) |
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| 08:23.05 | kai | drt24: hehe |
| 08:23.16 | kai | drt24: without deadlines, I'd never get anything done |
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| 08:25.17 | dnk-88 | kai: why students WorldForge stopped sending reports to general mailing list ? |
| 08:27.16 | kai | dnk-88: because they're lazy scumbags? ;) |
| 08:27.36 | dnk-88 | :) |
| 08:27.57 | kai | dnk-88: in fact, all of them missed their progress reports this week. for my student, that's not surprising, as he's out. |
| 08:28.11 | kai | erik has poked the other two, I think |
| 08:29.09 | dnk-88 | kai: but then I thought maybe I should not send reports :) |
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| 08:30.18 | kai | dnk-88: no, you're doing fine, and it's great to read about this :) |
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| 11:04.37 | kai | bah |
| 11:05.12 | kai | turns out if you want to portably watch a directory for changes in python, you need to poll it :/ |
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| 11:09.00 | drt24 | :-( |
| 11:09.37 | gevaerts | You can't portably watch a directory! Not all systems *have* directories :) |
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| 11:17.42 | ojwb | gevaerts: that makes the implementation very easy then! |
| 11:18.13 | kai | gevaerts: all systems I care about have :) |
| 11:19.32 | gevaerts | Care about even less systems then, that will solve everything ;) |
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| 11:20.52 | kai | gevaerts: ok, let me rephrase that... |
| 11:21.05 | kai | gevaerts: "all systems my boss cares about" |
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| 11:21.15 | kai | I only care about those by proxy |
| 11:21.51 | kai | but my boss wants that code to run on osx, linux and windows |
| 11:22.10 | kai | on linux and windows, there's an api to let the kernel tell you |
| 11:22.17 | kai | on osx, I don't know any |
| 11:22.18 | drt24 | import antigravity? |
| 11:23.01 | drt24 | bwim surely there is some library which abstracts this for you? |
| 11:23.39 | kai | not that I'm aware of |
| 11:25.45 | drt24 | :-( |
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| 11:26.12 | infinity0 | kai: darwin has kevent/kqueue like bsd |
| 11:28.28 | ojwb | kai: there's FAM: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/faq.html |
| 11:28.38 | ojwb | not sure how actively maintained it is recently though |
| 11:29.30 | ojwb | last release listed there was 2003 |
| 11:30.00 | infinity0 | oh there's something else that's superseded it, at least in debian |
| 11:30.55 | ojwb | gamin? |
| 11:31.10 | infinity0 | yeah that's the one |
| 11:31.13 | ojwb | which debtags suggests as similar and seems to be |
| 11:31.56 | kai | I'll just bite the bullet and poll |
| 11:32.44 | kai | it's only a couple of thousand files in the directory, and polling every 5 seconds is perfectly fine |
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| 12:58.31 | topfs2 | kai, I know xbmc have the same problem. we would like updates on changes in directories but polling is just a pita |
| 12:58.42 | topfs2 | Since it might involve spinning up harddrives and crap |
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| 13:12.52 | kai | topfs2: it's not too bad in our case. I want to print a pretty progressbar for our impatient users while a long-running (24+ hours) operation is going on. During that time, I expect the disks to be spinning anyway :) |
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| 13:18.53 | topfs2 | its just sad because one would assume kernel / fuse and such should know when something have changed |
| 13:19.44 | ojwb | um, they do and there are APIs to be notified of changes... |
| 13:19.56 | ojwb | on most modern platforms anyway |
| 13:20.02 | topfs2 | I haven't seen such an api |
| 13:20.13 | topfs2 | Last I checked I found some but they still polled |
| 13:20.34 | ojwb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify is one for Linux |
| 13:21.27 | ojwb | things like gamin should be using such apis underneath where available, and only fall back to polling where that's the best option |
| 13:21.41 | kai | inotify works reasonably in linux |
| 13:21.47 | topfs2 | hmm cool |
| 13:22.26 | kai | I was just hoping python'd have a built-in method for doing so instead of adding another dependency |
| 13:22.45 | topfs2 | to bad samba and such doesn't do this though |
| 13:22.56 | topfs2 | or kai? your samba iirc? |
| 13:24.10 | kai | of course samba uses stuff like that where available |
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| 13:28.09 | womba | fedex screwed up and accidently sent my welcome package back to google. who at google should I contact to have it sent again? |
| 13:29.50 | kai | !support |
| 13:29.50 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 13:29.56 | kai | womba: ^^^ |
| 13:30.19 | kai | be happy they sent it back. last year fedex simply destroyed my package when they failed to deliver it |
| 13:31.00 | kai | that or some fedex employee now has a nice gsoc shirt |
| 13:31.00 | lolfrenz | seriously? they can do that? |
| 13:31.20 | kai | lolfrenz: that's what the tracking info said when I got back from vacation |
| 13:31.35 | lolfrenz | that's ridiculous |
| 13:31.38 | lolfrenz | you should have sued their asses |
| 13:31.54 | thebolt | bah, hardware debugging is so fun.. |
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| 14:16.23 | topfs2 | well kai I meant broadcasting it to clients? |
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