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| 01:52.35 | njain | hi all |
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| 01:53.06 | edufelipe | Hello! Did anyone get their package and would like to spoil the surprise for me? :) |
| 01:53.42 | njain | Anybody who has experience with the Heritrix ARC files and the Javascript extraction |
| 01:53.49 | njain | from these files. |
| 01:55.00 | njain | @edufelipe No, just received the tracking no. today. |
| 01:56.55 | edufelipe | njain: Last year there was a whole thread about the little notebooks we got. |
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| 02:01.28 | JSund | edufelipe: there's a spoiler Wave about the contents of the package - it's linked from the wave that was mentioned on the mailing list |
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| 02:04.33 | edufelipe | JSund: It's linked as "less noisy wave"? |
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| 02:10.08 | JSund | edufelipe: https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+tMBeb0wWA |
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| 02:37.58 | tobiw | does anyone know if citi allows transfering money from the debit card to _someone else's_ bank account in the US? |
| 02:38.44 | coppro | yes |
| 02:39.05 | coppro | get their account information like you would your own, and you should be fine |
| 02:39.42 | tobiw | i was just wondering because i can't enter a name, and it says "to your bank account" ... thx |
| 02:44.56 | tobiw | where's the global list of free ATMs? i can only find citi bank locations and neither new zealand nor a lot of european countries are included. but i know from the mailing list that people have been looking for ATMs that allow (almost?) free withdrawel |
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| 02:48.01 | ojwb | fwiw, my experience with foreign cards in NZ atms is that the ATM doesn't charge you a fee |
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| 02:50.19 | tobiw | i think it depends on the ATM. westpac usually doesn't charge for a lot of foreign cards, but other banks do |
| 02:51.41 | ojwb | used westpac and national ones |
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| 03:44.02 | Utopiah | hi #gsoc |
| 03:45.54 | Utopiah | reading http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#owns_code |
| 03:46.34 | Utopiah | and http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/tos |
| 03:46.59 | Utopiah | Id like to understand what Google gains from a license/usage viewpoint from GSoC |
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| 03:48.23 | kpreid | Utopiah: nothing unique to Google |
| 03:48.40 | coppro | Google collects the source code samples for legal reasons. The things they gain include prospective employees, brand recognition, and good relationships with projects and students. |
| 03:49.10 | kpreid | They've also said that they favor orgs that maintain projects Google uses. |
| 03:49.35 | Utopiah | kpreid: ah, interesting point, had a source on that? |
| 03:50.00 | kpreid | it was on one of the mailing lists sometime |
| 03:50.05 | Utopiah | coppro: yes, I knew most of that, I guess also monitoring on projects, Im wondering solely about license now |
| 03:50.10 | Utopiah | ok |
| 03:50.25 | coppro | they don't gain materially from this |
| 03:51.06 | summatusmentis | Utopiah: what do you mean license? as in what the code is licensed under? |
| 03:51.37 | Utopiah | summatusmentis: yes and under which condition it can be leverage and by whom, like does it somehow gives a specific advantage to Google |
| 03:51.46 | coppro | no |
| 03:52.02 | coppro | almost always, the license is an official OSS license |
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| 03:52.13 | coppro | (by official I mean OSI-approved) |
| 03:52.20 | ojwb | i think that's a requirement |
| 03:52.43 | coppro | ah, yeah, it is |
| 03:52.56 | summatusmentis | Utopiah: I don't think it does give a specific advantage to Google. iirc, unless required by the org you're working with, you own your code |
| 03:53.11 | ojwb | google don't get much directly from it, but they get quite a lot indirectly |
| 03:54.03 | ojwb | and yes, Google don't get any special rights to the work |
| 03:54.41 | ojwb | unless perhaps it's a project run by Google which requires copyright assignment - not sure if there are any like that |
| 03:54.44 | Utopiah | a friend of mine told me "they gain non-exclusive rights on the code to do whatever they want without being restricted by the licensing of it |
| 03:54.58 | ojwb | i think that's incorrect |
| 03:54.59 | Utopiah | " but he didnt mention any source or portion of ToS :( |
| 03:55.06 | ojwb | but check the student agreement |
| 03:55.06 | summatusmentis | yeah, i don't think that's true |
| 03:55.43 | ojwb | it's unlikely to be useful in most cases anyway |
| 03:55.47 | Catfish_Man | that wouldn't work with GPL projects |
| 03:55.52 | ojwb | since very few student projects stand alone |
| 03:55.56 | Catfish_Man | since the student's work is almost always a derived work of the larger project |
| 03:55.58 | Utopiah | Catfish_Man: that's why I was curious about licenses |
| 03:56.03 | ojwb | they're mostly adding to existing code |
| 03:58.28 | Utopiah | thanks for all the info, out of curiosity, does Google legal department publish on such topics? |
| 03:58.56 | Catfish_Man | Utopiah: I doubt it. I think it's just understood that the project licenses apply, since there's no legal way they couldn't |
| 03:59.48 | ojwb | the legal part than google care about is to do with the employment part |
| 03:59.51 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: I think technically, so long as the license is compatible with the project license, students can license their code however they want |
| 03:59.52 | ojwb | from a technical point of view, the students are contractors |
| 03:59.56 | ojwb | hence the 18 years old requirement |
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| 04:00.20 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: hmm yeah? guess that never came up with my students because GPL is incompatible with everything :P |
| 04:00.52 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: well, right. I think many projects are GPL, which means students are kinda stuck using GPL (although could use BSD?) |
| 04:01.19 | summatusmentis | but I believe (and I may be wrong), so long as the project doesn't require a specific license, the student can pick |
| 04:01.26 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 04:01.30 | Utopiah | are there stats on what licenses has been used on what type of projects? |
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| 04:01.57 | Utopiah | maybe I could check freshmeat or similar repositories for that if there isn't |
| 04:02.11 | ojwb | unless they're required to assign copyright, then they could dual (or more) licence, but it's not very useful to if it requires existing code under GPL |
| 04:02.42 | summatusmentis | indeed |
| 04:03.12 | ojwb | Utopiah: possibly, though there are a lot of projects which petered out shortly after being started |
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| 04:03.42 | ojwb | and those aren't really interesting for used licence analysis |
| 04:04.00 | summatusmentis | oh, i assumed Utopiah meant GSoC specifically |
| 04:04.09 | Utopiah | yes I mean GSoC |
| 04:04.09 | summatusmentis | not "open source projects" in general |
| 04:04.23 | ojwb | oh, then freshmeat would be a very bad place to look... |
| 04:04.39 | Utopiah | apologizes for the lack of clarity, his first coffe cup is still on the way to his brain |
| 04:04.51 | ojwb | i don't think I've seen any such analysis, though I believe "main licence" is asked for during org application |
| 04:05.02 | ojwb | though perhaps only to screen out people unclear on the concept |
| 04:05.38 | ojwb | there are (IIRC) 151 orgs this year, so it wouldn't be hard to look up the licences for most of them if you wanted to know |
| 04:05.57 | ojwb | some are umbrella orgs, so cover a lot of projects with potentially disparate licences |
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| 04:09.43 | Utopiah | thanks |
| 04:11.31 | Utopiah | did Harvard/Stanford/... legal dept. published on GSoC? |
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| 04:11.50 | Catfish_Man | not that I'm aware of |
| 04:16.38 | ajuonline | yawns |
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| 04:19.43 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 04:30.46 | Utopiah | thanks again #gsoc , have a nice day |
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| 05:42.35 | thebolt | morning |
| 05:44.44 | ajuonline | that's two counts :P |
| 05:44.49 | ajuonline | thebolt: morning! |
| 05:46.05 | thebolt | ah, yea, realized.. did it in all channels :) |
| 05:46.37 | thebolt | was very tired first time around.. got up, said morning.. went back to bed and listened on radio for 45 minutes ;) |
| 05:46.40 | thebolt | then got up again :) |
| 05:47.19 | ajuonline | yeah, i went back to sleep too. i guess complete up now.. |
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| 05:52.46 | thebolt | hehe, just found out that the oldest swedish laws that still is "active" (although in parts ammended and/or corrected) is from 1736.. damn the language in that one is strange :) |
| 05:56.13 | kblin | hehe |
| 05:56.18 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 05:57.03 | kblin | hm, not too bad |
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| 05:57.15 | kblin | now for the computationally intensive part |
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| 06:00.42 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 06:07.29 | thebolt | kgambrah: well, you are in computional biology, are you not? ;) |
| 06:07.56 | thebolt | bah |
| 06:07.58 | thebolt | kblin* |
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| 13:06.56 | ojwb | time for more tea I guess |
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| 13:09.01 | gevaerts | Yay, tea! |
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| 13:23.29 | ajuonline | carols: up early today eh? good morning! |
| 13:24.14 | carols | ajuonline: up at the normal time. im in boston. :-) |
| 13:24.18 | carols | good morning |
| 13:26.02 | hiddenpearls | carols, Good Morning |
| 13:26.09 | carols | hiddenpearls: good morning |
| 13:26.36 | hiddenpearls | waiting to hear about my package news :( |
| 13:32.25 | kai | !patience |
| 13:32.25 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 13:34.06 | carols | thanks kai :-) |
| 13:34.23 | carols | serves more tea and cookies |
| 13:34.36 | hiddenpearls | !next |
| 13:34.36 | socinfo | "next" is July 12th, mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations - see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 for the timeline |
| 13:34.48 | hiddenpearls | !timeline |
| 13:34.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 13:36.23 | kai | carols: my pleasure :) |
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| 13:36.37 | hiddenpearls | kai: Thanks for patience ;) |
| 13:36.41 | carols | you going to OSCON, kai? |
| 13:37.11 | kai | hiddenpearls: my pleasure :) |
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| 13:37.35 | kai | carols: not that I'm aware of :) |
| 13:37.49 | carols | kai: alright, just thought i'd ask :-) |
| 13:38.20 | kai | carols: I'd love to, but it's on the wrong side of the wrong continent :) |
| 13:38.44 | carols | kai: yeah, i figured as much. but it would have been nice to meet up at the GSoC BoF :-) |
| 13:39.29 | kai | carols: with any luck I'll be in the bay area in september |
| 13:40.11 | kai | carols: I've submitted a talk to a conference in santa clara, and I'll probably be visiting a project partner at UCSF |
| 13:40.15 | carols | kai: cool! would be great to meet up. although i'll be at Oktoberfest the week of 20 September, so let's not do it that week :-) |
| 13:41.22 | kai | hehe |
| 13:41.46 | kai | d'oh |
| 13:41.54 | kai | that's the week of the conference, of course |
| 13:42.03 | carols | kai: of course :-) |
| 13:42.21 | kai | but I don't know when I'll be at UCSF |
| 13:42.49 | carols | kai: well, we'll see what happens. |
| 13:43.07 | kai | if push comes to shove, there's always the mentor summit |
| 13:43.51 | carols | yep. already started planning. i think it should be even more awesome this year :-) |
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| 16:25.18 | anirvana | Carols , how much time does it take to get a card loaded with payment,(say I get my card on 27th)? |
| 16:25.27 | carols | anirvana: 24 hours |
| 16:25.53 | h4xordood | Carols: heya :) |
| 16:26.00 | Catfish_Man | hi folks |
| 16:26.01 | carols | hi h4xordood |
| 16:26.04 | anirvana | thanks :) |
| 16:26.04 | carols | hi Catfish_Man |
| 16:26.20 | Catfish_Man | g'morning carols :) |
| 16:26.26 | h4xordood | carols: thanks :) got card trackin number :) |
| 16:26.31 | carols | h4xordood: great :-) |
| 16:26.43 | ihalip | got his card 3 hours ago :D |
| 16:26.56 | h4xordood | ihalip: congrates |
| 16:26.59 | h4xordood | :) |
| 16:27.05 | ihalip | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs162.snc4/37454_433584256083_515466083_6134524_1060864_n.jpg |
| 16:27.06 | ihalip | <3 |
| 16:27.30 | carols | ihalip: maybe not something you want to be posting with your full card number |
| 16:27.49 | ojwb | ihalip: can you photo the CVV code on the other side for us too? |
| 16:28.05 | ihalip | :| |
| 16:28.13 | anirvana | ihalip , Have you got the payment too :P ? |
| 16:28.25 | ihalip | i didn't check yet |
| 16:29.28 | MatthewWilkes | That card looks purdy |
| 16:29.28 | anirvana | ok |
| 16:29.31 | h4xordood | ihalip: why you just scanned your card and showing it publicaly :/ |
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| 16:30.04 | h4xordood | recommends his friends dont do it |
| 16:30.50 | ihalip | didn't think it all the way through |
| 16:31.10 | MatthewWilkes | rocks on over to the qdb |
| 16:31.23 | SukhE | ihalip, well there is still time. Delete the image from Facebook :) |
| 16:31.47 | ihalip | i deleted it from the album, but it seems this static link is still there |
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| 16:33.54 | MatthewWilkes | ihalip: I wouldn't say there's still time, I'd be requesting a replacement with a different number right about now if I were you |
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| 16:34.34 | ihalip | why? |
| 16:35.06 | MatthewWilkes | Aren't all these cards registered to google's address too? |
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| 16:35.46 | MatthewWilkes | even if they're not, I wouldn't be comfortable having the card number of any of my accounts known to the world, and they have a lot less money on them ;) |
| 16:36.10 | anirvana | :D |
| 16:36.17 | h4xordood | ihalip: its okay though but its unessary details :) |
| 16:36.38 | h4xordood | would recommend you atleast dont scan the other side |
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| 16:37.15 | ihalip | oh, never. |
| 16:38.13 | ajuonline | oh boi. google colours on the card. |
| 16:38.24 | h4xordood | well its a normal process cause at shops people do take scans of front phase of card :) |
| 16:38.33 | ihalip | like someone said - this is one of the things you do one time and never do it again |
| 16:38.55 | h4xordood | but if you can hide thigs most thats good |
| 16:39.15 | MatthewWilkes | carols: One of the best things I've seen with those cards was Jonathan Wilde (a 14 year old GHOP winner) who had come to Plone Conference with his mom proudly using it to buy things on his own |
| 16:39.39 | MatthewWilkes | h4xordood: Yeah, and those people at shops can then drain your account |
| 16:39.47 | carols | MatthewWilkes: very nice :-) |
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| 16:40.30 | h4xordood | but for that you need numbers at the back |
| 16:40.35 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Dunno if you know the story there, he turned out to be a student at Mountain View Highschool, so the all-expenses paid trip to MTV as a prize wasn't quite enough ;) |
| 16:40.54 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i see |
| 16:41.01 | Jeff_S | lol |
| 16:41.14 | MatthewWilkes | GHOP got mentioned on the Tonight show because of that. I chuckled. |
| 16:41.21 | ajuonline | ihalip: i know for sure, that some merchant dont need the CVV to charge your card, |
| 16:42.33 | ajuonline | for e.g. I think when I renewed my ACM membership last month, it didnt. |
| 16:42.38 | ajuonline | it didnt ask my CVV. |
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| 16:48.02 | in3xes | carols: Hi |
| 16:48.09 | carols | in3xes: Hi |
| 16:48.24 | in3xes | Are we supposed get the tracking number by now, or shall I wait? |
| 16:48.28 | in3xes | btw, I am from india |
| 16:49.19 | in3xes | carols: ^^ ? |
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| 16:49.38 | carols | in3xes: yes, you should have a tracking number. please email me if you need to ask about it |
| 16:49.53 | in3xes | Okay |
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| 16:58.38 | topfs2 | carols, you get a notification automatically when the package is recieved correct? no point in mailing you when I have recieved it? |
| 16:58.47 | carols | topfs2: correct. |
| 16:58.52 | topfs2 | goodie :) |
| 16:58.53 | carols | i dont need more email :-) |
| 16:59.04 | topfs2 | I can imagine that :) |
| 16:59.13 | carols | topfs2: thanks |
| 16:59.25 | topfs2 | a thousand students eagerly awaiting them mailing and disturbing :) |
| 16:59.26 | gevaerts | gives carols some tea instead |
| 16:59.37 | carols | sips some tea |
| 16:59.39 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
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| 17:00.56 | h4xordood | searches for tea :P |
| 17:01.25 | h4xordood | carols: can i have it ? a cookie and tea |
| 17:01.27 | h4xordood | :) |
| 17:01.35 | carols | serves some more tea and cookies |
| 17:01.38 | carols | sure |
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| 17:06.12 | minix3|straydawg | nips tea |
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| 17:09.44 | carols | minix3|straydawg: you at USENIX today? |
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| 17:15.32 | minix3|straydawg | no sadly :( |
| 17:15.36 | minix3|straydawg | AST and David and Raja are! |
| 17:16.06 | carols | minix3|straydawg: yeah, saw AST and Raja so far :-) just thought i'd check |
| 17:17.04 | carols | is listening to a paper presentation on storage servers :-) |
| 17:17.04 | h4xordood | :) |
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| 17:25.02 | minix3|straydawg | carols: we totally would've hung out otherwise |
| 17:25.15 | carols | minix3|straydawg: some other time, i'm sure. :-) |
| 17:28.34 | minix3|straydawg | yes! |
| 17:28.34 | h4xordood | my go_Ogle eyes :D |
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| 20:11.00 | dzhus | How is your g-summer going? |
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| 20:15.13 | Kosma | coding :P |
| 20:15.30 | Kosma | every time you slack on IRC instead of coding, Google kills a kitten ;D |
| 20:15.49 | shreyas | LOL |
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| 20:18.20 | lauri | hello |
| 20:19.11 | lauri | can anyone point me to right place to register for ACM accoumt? |
| 20:19.13 | lauri | *account |
| 20:19.16 | kblin | Kosma: shh, you know you're not supposed to blabber about the google orbital death ray (beta) |
| 20:19.41 | pygi | kblin, it comes offline far too often |
| 20:19.44 | pygi | I tried using it today |
| 20:19.45 | pygi | no good |
| 20:20.01 | schumaml | rods of God would be more classy |
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| 20:20.07 | pygi | I heard they're working on setting up some HA for it tho |
| 20:20.23 | pygi | like multiple death rays in master-master configuration |
| 20:20.46 | kblin | schumaml: I like the Warhammer Fantasy implementation of that. Giant foot stepping down on your enemies |
| 20:21.02 | Kosma | kblin: actually, it's Monty Python :D |
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| 20:28.20 | kblin | Kosma: oh right, that as well |
| 20:28.41 | kblin | Kosma: but I like the damage template in the shape of a foot |
| 20:28.53 | kblin | it so much less boring than all the hex-based ones |
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| 20:31.26 | Kosma | hahaha :D |
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| 21:05.53 | thiago_home | ¡ |
| 21:07.54 | Kosma | ¿Es el especialista del cerebro? |
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