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| 00:12.03 | Kovensky | <YuviPanda> lolfrenz: yup, and I'm a GUI C programmer :D <-- poor you |
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| 16:05.58 | lolfrenz | I was wondering the same thing |
| 16:06.04 | lolfrenz | no fedex in my country |
| 16:07.38 | mkarnicki | nicksam: Neither did and the rest of guys from my country. Patience advised. |
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| 16:30.23 | ajuonline | mailing carols would make her lives easy. and help you get answers too. while u can just go back and code after sending her an email, instead of waiting here staring at the screen for her reply =] |
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| 19:07.50 | Ademan_ | the sticker on the payment card says use your home phone number to set up the PIN, but the letter doesn't specify, anyone know if it matters? |
| 19:12.50 | bkgood | Ademan_: I doubt it matters, dunno for sure though as I haven't bothered to activate it yet |
| 19:13.11 | bkgood | probably wise to use a number with at least the same country code though |
| 19:16.10 | Ademan_ | thanks bkgood, everything of mine is US so I'm probably ok, just don't wanna screw something up, but also google afaik only has my cell number |
| 19:16.47 | YuviPanda | aarrgghhh segfaults! |
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| 19:16.55 | YuviPanda | stabs himself, and goes back to debugging |
| 19:17.22 | smtms | YuviPanda, it takes talent to produce segfaults |
| 19:17.57 | YuviPanda | smtms: not when your C is being generated by another 'compiler' |
| 19:18.26 | YuviPanda | smtms: in my case, it is me -> vala -> gcc -> machine |
| 19:18.31 | YuviPanda | rather than me -> gcc -> machine |
| 19:18.55 | smtms | YuviPanda, what is vala and why do you use it? |
| 19:19.32 | YuviPanda | smtms: vala is an 'object oriented language' that generates GObject+C code |
| 19:19.38 | bkgood | smtms: int main(void) { *(char*)0 = "asdf"; } is hard? ;) |
| 19:20.01 | YuviPanda | smtms: better than writing GTK+ code by hand, provided the compiler is good enough |
| 19:20.11 | bkgood | YuviPanda: I tried playing with vala earlier this year, I understand your pain |
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| 19:20.15 | smtms | YuviPanda, isn't Qt better? |
| 19:20.26 | YuviPanda | smtms: not if you're using GNOME, no :P |
| 19:20.41 | mkarnicki | Gtk FTW! |
| 19:21.01 | YuviPanda | bkgood: so far haven't really hit anything bad - just started having really awful segfaults in weird places since a few days back :( |
| 19:22.06 | bkgood | YuviPanda: yeah my experience wasn't *bad*, it just lacked some polish -- hopefully it improves as it seems to produce pretty good code, especially given what a pain writing gobject code in c is |
| 19:22.45 | YuviPanda | bkgood: agreed. |
| 19:23.07 | bkgood | what project are you working on? |
| 19:23.09 | YuviPanda | bkgood: the gtk bindings seem to be pretty solid (for the most part) - and writing new ones isn't hard either |
| 19:23.14 | YuviPanda | bkgood: Cheese :) |
| 19:23.24 | YuviPanda | bkgood: the UI is getting a remake in vala |
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| 19:23.59 | bkgood | oh cool, well good luck to you :) |
| 19:24.19 | YuviPanda | bkgood: thanks! Most of it is usable, just fighting with some animation (clutter) related code + libunique |
| 19:25.10 | bkgood | my project uses cpp and qt which you'd think would be absolutely perfect in terms of polish -- it's not :) |
| 19:25.29 | YuviPanda | bkgood: Qt or C++? ;) |
| 19:25.54 | gevaerts | thinks that writing code in the c preprocessor is madness |
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| 19:26.25 | bkgood | YuviPanda: lol cpp of course is cpp so no surprises, qt is what has at least one kinda rough edge we're fighting |
| 19:26.46 | bkgood | luckily it doesn't impact my gsoc project but it impacts the project as a whole pretty unfortunately |
| 19:27.02 | YuviPanda | bkgood: what project is that? |
| 19:27.13 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: gtk jab, eh? |
| 19:27.21 | YuviPanda | s/gtk/gobject/ |
| 19:27.58 | bkgood | YuviPanda: mixxx http://mixxx.org |
| 19:28.13 | gevaerts | YuviPanda: no. People keep talking about cpp, and I wonder why! |
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| 19:28.58 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: ah, got that joke a bit too late :D |
| 19:29.17 | bkgood | YuviPanda: qt has a way to paint to a widget using opengl which has to be used in our case but either we're doing something wrong without the qt docs saying so or there's something wrong with qt... and it's just gotten worse on win32 with a new qt release |
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| 19:29.34 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: tripped me the first time I had to edit an .am file - i confused cpp for c++ and was wondering wtf it was doing there :D |
| 19:29.42 | gevaerts | YuviPanda: it's not a joke! cpp is not c++! |
| 19:30.12 | gevaerts | tries to keep a straight face |
| 19:30.13 | smtms | and c is not C |
| 19:30.13 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: tell that to the millions(citation needed) of "Turbo C++" programmers coming out of our colleges :P |
| 19:30.27 | YuviPanda | and, ofcourse, you're going to tell me that C/C++ doesn't exist ;) |
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| 19:31.11 | bkgood | gevaerts: pp is much easier to type than ++... or something |
| 19:31.22 | gevaerts | C/C++ is a nice series, going 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, ... |
| 19:31.30 | YuviPanda | :D |
| 19:31.36 | YuviPanda | gevaerts++ |
| 19:31.42 | thiago_home | bkgood: I don't remember seeing you in #qt... |
| 19:31.53 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: actually no... |
| 19:31.59 | kimelto | loves to see strlcpy copy 20 chars in a buf of 10 without any complaint. the weird part is that it works :) |
| 19:32.05 | gevaerts | YuviPanda: right :) |
| 19:32.07 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: C/C++ will always be 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 |
| 19:32.33 | gevaerts | wasn't paying attention for a moment |
| 19:32.34 | bkgood | thiago_home: I don't think I've ever been, I spent some time trying to figure out the bug but as gsoc started I had to focus on my project instead |
| 19:32.54 | YuviPanda | gevaerts-- |
| 19:32.59 | thiago_home | kimelto: you can fit an 11 m bar underneath a 10-meter roof, if you're moving fast enough |
| 19:33.04 | YuviPanda | bad operator precedent |
| 19:33.09 | thiago_home | kimelto: maybe a similar effect happened to your characters :-) |
| 19:33.12 | thiago_home | bkgood: ok |
| 19:33.16 | coppro | C/C++ is undefined behavior |
| 19:33.22 | gevaerts | YuviPanda: I did see the issue as soon as you said "actually no", so I'm not that bad :) |
| 19:33.30 | YuviPanda | gevaerts: :D |
| 19:33.33 | thiago_home | bkgood: could be something like beginNativePainting() missing in your paint event |
| 19:33.37 | YuviPanda | coppro: ? how? |
| 19:33.55 | Catfish_Man | I'm a big fan of the 'goes to' operator in C/C++: while (x --> 0) { /* do stuff */ } |
| 19:34.16 | Ademan_ | Catfish_Man: that was quite amusing |
| 19:34.31 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: that one is boring! One can do (x--->something)! |
| 19:34.41 | Catfish_Man | Ademan_: I know, I've done that one before here. I need to find new places to troll with it ;) |
| 19:35.21 | bkgood | thiago_home: we have 2 of these opengl widgets and it only breaks for the first one, could lacking beginNativePainting cause that? |
| 19:35.33 | bkgood | I just grepped for beginNativePainting and didn't find it |
| 19:35.42 | coppro | YuviPanda: Because there is not set order of evaluation |
| 19:35.42 | thiago_home | bkgood: you have to tell Qt that you're doing painting without its paint functions |
| 19:36.00 | YuviPanda | coppro: as in? I thought / > ++, no? |
| 19:36.06 | thiago_home | bkgood: I'm assuming you mentined GL widget because you're painting with GL directly |
| 19:36.24 | coppro | YuviPanda: The compiler's free to evaluate the arguments to / in either order |
| 19:36.33 | bkgood | oh no, we're painting with the qpainter methods not GL_* |
| 19:36.50 | thiago_home | YuviPanda: ++ has higher priority than / |
| 19:37.04 | thiago_home | bkgood: then it must be something else. Stop by #qt when you have time then. |
| 19:37.42 | bkgood | thiago_home: will do, thanks :) I may refer one of my colleagues who knows more about that bit of code though |
| 19:38.19 | gevaerts | thiago_home: are you saying it's 2, 2, 2, ...? :) |
| 19:38.30 | thiago_home | YuviPanda: think of a simpler case: if c == 0, what's the value of c++ + c++ ? |
| 19:38.49 | bkgood | undefined :) |
| 19:39.26 | thiago_home | we had this code once: v = v ? ++v : v; |
| 19:40.02 | YuviPanda | thiago_home: gcc tells me c++ + c++ = 0 |
| 19:40.12 | YuviPanda | wtf? :| |
| 19:40.21 | YuviPanda | v=v? that isn't even a conditon, no? |
| 19:40.31 | thiago_home | YuviPanda: what bkgood said |
| 19:40.34 | gevaerts | YuviPanda: it's an assignment of course |
| 19:40.55 | thiago_home | "v" is the condition |
| 19:41.06 | gevaerts | One that shouldn't exist, but that's a different issue :) |
| 19:41.28 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: are you unfamiliar with the ?: operator? |
| 19:41.42 | Catfish_Man | or just the implicit conversion to int in C? |
| 19:41.55 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: no, but since v = v just reduces to v, i was wondering what the point was... |
| 19:42.06 | thiago_home | YuviPanda: v = (v ? ++v : v); |
| 19:42.12 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: v = v ? 5 : 4; will assign either 5 or 4 |
| 19:42.15 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: there is no implicit conversion to int! It's an into to start with! |
| 19:42.18 | thiago_home | ?: has higher precedence than = |
| 19:42.28 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: oh, right, I wasn't paying attention to what v was |
| 19:42.29 | YuviPanda | aaargh! |
| 19:42.37 | YuviPanda | okay, didn't see that as a full statement :D |
| 19:42.39 | YuviPanda | nevermind |
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| 19:43.09 | thiago_home | but anyway, the point is that both statements are undefined |
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| 19:43.26 | thiago_home | that's why your c++ + c++ returned 0 |
| 19:43.30 | thiago_home | it could return 42 |
| 19:44.10 | YuviPanda | thiago_home: undefined in the sense, 'compiler can do whatever it wants', right? |
| 19:44.18 | thiago_home | yup |
| 19:44.25 | thiago_home | including return 42 :-) |
| 19:44.30 | YuviPanda | ah, okay! |
| 19:44.33 | JeroenDeDauw | o_O |
| 19:44.45 | Catfish_Man | thiago_home: or rm ~ ;) |
| 19:45.01 | thiago_home | though of course, the most common scenario is to return 0 or 1 (and c is 1 or 2 after the operation) |
| 19:45.12 | eduardop | speacking of C++ fun, I just came across this line: inline float operator[] (size_t n) const { return !n?x:n&1?y:z; } |
| 19:45.29 | kimelto | riiiiight. |
| 19:45.30 | eduardop | *speaking |
| 19:45.37 | coppro | yikes |
| 19:45.41 | YuviPanda | is tempted to set up a vm, do rm -rf / as root |
| 19:45.42 | thiago_home | !n ? x : (n & 1 ? y : z); |
| 19:45.42 | socinfo | Error: "n" is not a valid command. |
| 19:46.06 | eduardop | no error, it's in Crystal Space |
| 19:46.10 | YuviPanda | lols |
| 19:46.30 | thiago_home | that's perfectly valid code. Defined behaviour. |
| 19:46.33 | thiago_home | it's no fun. |
| 19:46.43 | thiago_home | it's just hard to read |
| 19:46.52 | eduardop | heheh... -bash: !n?x: event not found |
| 19:47.03 | thiago_home | C++0x, however... opens up for [](){}() |
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| 20:01.09 | YuviPanda | does a dance - segfault fixed! |
| 20:01.29 | YuviPanda | realized rtfm is solution to 99% of bugs - atleast if your libraries are as well documented as gtk/gobject is |
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| 21:09.08 | MatthewWilkes | evening all! |
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