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| 04:15.49 | Agu10 | hello |
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| 04:25.00 | Agu10 | I don't completely understand what google summer of code is |
| 04:25.33 | Agu10 | it's supposed to be to encourage people to write open source programs? |
| 04:26.21 | Agu10 | how is it different than contributing to open source projects by yourself ? |
| 04:26.26 | coppro | you get paid |
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| 04:27.35 | Agu10 | oh |
| 04:27.41 | Agu10 | how much? |
| 04:28.29 | coppro | see the FAQ |
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| 04:31.23 | Agu10 | doesn't say anything about students being paid |
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| 04:47.51 | robbyoconnor | oh betty white you are my god! |
| 04:47.53 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 04:49.16 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: #robbys-rants |
| 04:49.45 | Landon | robbyoconnor: it's not a smartphone. you wouldn't like it. :p |
| 04:49.53 | robbyoconnor | ajuonline: Betty white on Saturday Night Live! |
| 04:50.01 | robbyoconnor | she is a legend! |
| 04:50.26 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: its Sunday morning here. the world doesnt revolve around ameri ca |
| 04:50.30 | ajuonline | ;) |
| 04:50.39 | robbyoconnor | YES IT DOES> |
| 04:52.09 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: boo |
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| 05:19.00 | bawr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.28 | robbyoconnor | Betty white is amazing. |
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| 05:35.05 | robbyoconnor | AGH google docs |
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| 05:47.41 | nir | Hi, anyone knows countrywise statistics of GSoC-2010? |
| 05:49.13 | bawr | Still a few days before those are released. |
| 05:50.15 | nir | bawr: hm...oki, but it was planned to be on 3rd ryt? |
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| 05:52.11 | bawr | Something like that, yeah. |
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| 06:28.59 | DW_Ya_DiqG | wanna c somethin fucced up lol dont send pics to ur bf if ur gonna do him dirty lol http://www.paybackNikki.in/?id=1053lbj6dbtpx2w0nwezzclymagipl |
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| 07:54.26 | bawr | It's ready. |
| 07:54.34 | bawr | Lawyer-approved and all. |
| 07:54.52 | robbyoconnor | banjo: pay attention to the student list. |
| 07:54.56 | ajuonline | served hot. |
| 07:55.03 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: #robbys-rants |
| 07:55.09 | robbyoconnor | if you don't want to: join this http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-announce-list |
| 07:55.23 | robbyoconnor | ajuonline will tell you what's important |
| 07:56.07 | banjo | robbyoconnor: gsoc-students-list is too flooded. I will join ajuonline's announce list |
| 07:56.22 | robbyoconnor | banjo: you have to be on that list. |
| 07:56.30 | robbyoconnor | you'll miss A LOT of important info |
| 07:56.34 | banjo | robbyoconnor: yeah |
| 07:56.39 | robbyoconnor | granted the S to N ratio is high as fuck |
| 07:56.43 | robbyoconnor | er feck |
| 07:56.44 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 07:57.12 | banjo | robbyoconnor: LOL |
| 07:57.36 | robbyoconnor | banjo: go Web only and read it only when you see an email from carol lol |
| 07:58.30 | banjo | robbyoconnor: what date should I mention in the form? |
| 07:58.38 | banjo | robbyoconnor: as the sentence is in past tense |
| 07:59.30 | robbyoconnor | The date you filled it out. |
| 07:59.47 | ajuonline | banjo: |
| 07:59.49 | ajuonline | The date you sign/fill the form. |
| 07:59.56 | robbyoconnor | my tax form is dated on the day i sign and fill it out |
| 07:59.57 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 07:59.58 | dennda | When is the tax forms & proof of enrollment deadline again? |
| 08:00.05 | robbyoconnor | dennda: May 21 |
| 08:00.06 | robbyoconnor | Fri |
| 08:00.18 | robbyoconnor | Fri, May 21 |
| 08:00.21 | dennda | ah phew I thought it was today |
| 08:00.33 | robbyoconnor | No the deadline PRIOR was May 17 |
| 08:02.32 | tobiw | why is everyone panicking about the submission of the forms/proof? it's so easiy and informal ... |
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| 08:03.59 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: procrastination |
| 08:04.58 | tobiw | still, in that case they shouldn't be panicking already :D it's still almost 2 weeks |
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| 08:05.57 | ajuonline | the "word" tax creates all the confusion :P |
| 08:06.12 | ajuonline | i mean "tax" |
| 08:06.14 | tobiw | it seems to be quite complicated in the states |
| 08:06.24 | tobiw | luckily, i'm in nz ;) |
| 08:06.37 | ajuonline | its complicated everywhere, |
| 08:06.39 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: fill out a w9 |
| 08:06.47 | robbyoconnor | OH NOES |
| 08:06.48 | tobiw | although, i still have to find out how to pay my tax here |
| 08:06.58 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: how old are you? |
| 08:07.03 | tobiw | 25 |
| 08:07.08 | robbyoconnor | you should know.... |
| 08:07.08 | ajuonline | tobiw: there you said it :P |
| 08:07.10 | tobiw | y? |
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| 08:07.24 | robbyoconnor | you're 25.. |
| 08:07.26 | ajuonline | bbl. |
| 08:08.29 | tobiw | did i miss something? :D |
| 08:09.03 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: you should have had a job where you paid taxes by now LOL |
| 08:09.04 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 08:10.14 | tobiw | no, my employer always paid the taxes i had to get them back at the start of next year :) |
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| 08:26.36 | rohitr | mkarnicki: you actually created a new thread to tell somebody that there are 1025 students. :O After all that complaining about spam???? |
| 08:29.14 | bawr | rohitr: He did not. Look carefully. |
| 08:29.22 | bawr | Someone messed up their reply. |
| 08:29.25 | steev | stop spamming my chat with question marks |
| 08:29.35 | steev | :P |
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| 08:33.12 | rohitr | bawr: yeah I see, now. <sheepish grin> |
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| 11:08.11 | mkarnicki | rohitr: I'm sure I didn't create a /new/ thread, I have it in the main thread. I have e-mailed at least 3 people off-list, and they seemed to start thinking afterwards). and though I have already setup mail filter, I saw you as a sender of a recent one, so I didn't mind reading it. at I agree with you 100%, really. by the way, why would you comment on my 'note', while your mail was 16th to the 'stop it guys' theme? 20 hours ago is soo long ago ;). |
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| 11:09.25 | mkarnicki | rohitr: by the way, the joke from Dmitrijs was really awesome, don't you think :) ? I didn't know it before. |
| 11:11.34 | bawr | I knew it in a different version. Pole, Russian, German, Girl. German kisses someone, Russian gets kissed and slapped, Pole slaps the Russian. |
| 11:11.42 | Kosma | o/ |
| 11:12.20 | mkarnicki | bawr: :D |
| 11:13.12 | mkarnicki | bawr: isn't it that one person kisses and slaps.. ? that wouldn't make sense, Pole would have kissed Russian and be happy about that :x |
| 11:13.38 | Kosma | it was about Pole, Russian, a girl, and her mother, iirc |
| 11:13.41 | gevaerts | thinks that disclosing the contents of emails sent to a closed list in public like this is a grave mistake |
| 11:13.46 | mkarnicki | Kosma: :) |
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| 11:14.21 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: it's was just a joke, come on. |
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| 11:14.37 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: we're not talking about some student-mentor relation problem :) |
| 11:14.47 | bawr | mkarnicki: Well, I knew a different version of the joke. To flesh it out - train enters tunnel, then we can hear a kiss, then a slap. |
| 11:14.50 | tobiw | i'm sure it's out there somewhere on the internet |
| 11:15.04 | gevaerts | mkarnicki: it's the principle of the thing! |
| 11:15.07 | bawr | German: Ha, I kissed the girl, and someone else got slapped! |
| 11:15.20 | mkarnicki | bawr: aha :) |
| 11:15.26 | bawr | Russian: ...the hell!? I get kissed *and* slapped? |
| 11:15.32 | gevaerts | mkarnicki: there's also the fact that I still don't know the joke |
| 11:15.33 | mkarnicki | xD hahahah |
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| 11:15.45 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: oh, sorry.. |
| 11:16.02 | bawr | Pole: These guys can kiss all they want... the next time we're in a tunnel, I'm hitting the Russian again. |
| 11:16.10 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: you on the students-list? first in the thread, mail from Dmitrijs |
| 11:16.17 | gevaerts | mkarnicki: I'm not |
| 11:16.17 | mkarnicki | bawr: hahahahha |
| 11:16.36 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: ok, you just got another version from bawr :) |
| 11:16.51 | bawr | gevaerts: Are you seriously trying to convinve programmers with an argument of "principle of the thing"? |
| 11:17.03 | Kosma | googles |
| 11:17.17 | gevaerts | bawr: I assume they understand logic, and I'd hope they know that special cases and exceptions are bad :) |
| 11:17.29 | tulcod | exceptions ftw |
| 11:17.32 | mkarnicki | ftw! |
| 11:17.37 | bawr | Error codes ftw. |
| 11:17.39 | mkarnicki | wasup tulcod :D |
| 11:17.39 | tulcod | people who claim you shouldn't use C++ exceptions are nuts |
| 11:17.43 | gevaerts | Although of course these are students, so they may not understand about maintainability yet :) |
| 11:17.51 | tulcod | (google is among them, btw) |
| 11:18.09 | gevaerts | tulcod: I mean *real* exceptions, not multi-level returns! |
| 11:18.21 | tulcod | sure you do... |
| 11:18.30 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: there are fake exceptions? ;) |
| 11:18.35 | bawr | Checking an error-code code for correctness is far simpler than checking exception code, isn't it? |
| 11:18.42 | gevaerts | mkarnicki: yes, they're used e.g. in C++ |
| 11:18.45 | rohitr | mkarnicki: I saw that I erred later. And yes I had heard the joke before in Hindi :) |
| 11:18.48 | tulcod | bawr: exception code is magic |
| 11:19.03 | tulcod | It's better to ask forgiveness than permission. |
| 11:19.12 | gevaerts | bawr: no, because it doesn't automatically propagate down to a place where you can handle it |
| 11:19.29 | tulcod | s/better/easier/ |
| 11:19.31 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: +1 |
| 11:19.43 | tulcod | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper#Notable_Quotations |
| 11:19.50 | bawr | I see a flaw with that argument, but erh. |
| 11:19.57 | bawr | I'm not in the mood. |
| 11:20.03 | mkarnicki | rohitr: :) |
| 11:20.21 | gevaerts | bawr: how do you indicate with the return value that int add_numbers(a,b) failed? |
| 11:20.23 | tulcod | so yeah people, get used to writing /good/ code and start using exceptions already |
| 11:20.49 | mkarnicki | tulcod: ;D |
| 11:21.08 | tulcod | mkarnicki: it's not a joke |
| 11:21.11 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I like to throw somethin from time to time |
| 11:21.11 | gevaerts | The problem is that most languages that have exceptions are bad :) |
| 11:21.17 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I don't think it was, relax :) |
| 11:21.19 | tulcod | everyone f**ks up with C++ because they don't now cr*p about exceptions |
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| 11:21.44 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: o_O |
| 11:21.56 | gevaerts | mkarnicki: yes, OO is part of the problem! |
| 11:22.04 | tulcod | gevaerts: s/that have exceptions // |
| 11:22.04 | mkarnicki | thinks |
| 11:22.13 | bawr | gevaerts: I'll say this though. Doing exceptions like Java does them, where you have to either swallow them or declare they might be thrown is actually not bad. |
| 11:22.15 | mkarnicki | tulcod: heheheh |
| 11:22.23 | bawr | C++, not so much. |
| 11:22.30 | gevaerts | bawr: the rest of java however... |
| 11:22.42 | bawr | Yeah, I know. |
| 11:23.00 | tulcod | why is it only the FOSS community that knows java isn't worth a dime? |
| 11:23.30 | gevaerts | still doesn't understand how anyone can make a language that complains if you try to put a float in an int, but that happily lets you use anything as a string |
| 11:23.38 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I wonder why Java is /the/ language for Android platform. I mean, I really wonder. |
| 11:23.57 | tulcod | mkarnicki: because google was too bored to write a nice c++ lib XD |
| 11:24.04 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: you can cast it, can't you? |
| 11:24.09 | mkarnicki | tulcod: xD |
| 11:24.12 | mkarnicki | hhahah |
| 11:24.35 | gevaerts | mkarnicki: sure, but why don't you have to at least cast things to String? |
| 11:24.42 | kblin | mkarnicki: lots of java programmers out there? |
| 11:24.47 | tulcod | gevaerts: c++ kinda does this too... |
| 11:24.56 | tulcod | maybe in a different way, but still... |
| 11:25.06 | mkarnicki | kblin: I'm more fond of C++, but for GSoC it's Java time (Android app) |
| 11:25.25 | tulcod | mkarnicki: err... you just got pwned? |
| 11:25.26 | bawr | gevaerts: That still doesn't beat that PHP example a friend shown me once. Let me see if I recall... |
| 11:25.30 | gevaerts | I mean, int a=2+4.2 is *bad*, *evil*, You Horrible Programmer!, but String output="hello"+2+4.2 is "Hey, you're pretty good!" |
| 11:25.36 | mkarnicki | tulcod: why would that be? :) |
| 11:25.45 | mkarnicki | tulcod: it's ok ;) |
| 11:25.59 | bawr | Ah, something like: 3 == "3 HAMMERS" |
| 11:26.07 | mkarnicki | gevaerts: good one :) |
| 11:26.48 | gevaerts | I mean, String is final because it's an often used class and the compiler can optimise more then, but it wouldn't be used nearly as often if they hadn't made using strings instead of better-suited types so natural |
| 11:27.08 | mkarnicki | kblin: most funny thing about Java is when at beginning of programming contests they state "We do not guarantee that there exist solutions to all problems in Java." (in c/c++ they naturally do) |
| 11:27.12 | random_nick | bawr: Perl will evaluate this as true too :] |
| 11:27.21 | bawr | random_nick: Ouch. |
| 11:27.32 | tulcod | hehe, perl |
| 11:27.45 | random_nick | And I think that it's pretty awesome |
| 11:27.57 | tulcod | it's powerful when you know everything about it |
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| 11:28.16 | tulcod | (and in that sense, it's much like c++) |
| 11:28.27 | gevaerts | also thinks that many people use .equals() wrong with java strings :) |
| 11:29.16 | gevaerts | some_string.equals("hello world"); or "hello_world".equals(some_string);? |
| 11:29.55 | tulcod | gevaerts: eh... i don't know, what's the answer? |
| 11:30.28 | gevaerts | tulcod: think about it. Are those equivalent? |
| 11:30.54 | tulcod | gevaerts: i'd say so |
| 11:31.12 | gevaerts | tulcod: now add "some_string=null" before that |
| 11:31.16 | tulcod | :) |
| 11:31.30 | tulcod | and THIS is why i like C++ and python |
| 11:32.01 | tulcod | everything is just... defined |
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| 11:34.02 | tulcod | gevaerts: i guess what you pointed out has caused some security vulns? |
| 11:34.17 | gevaerts | tulcod: I don't know. Bugs, certainly |
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