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| 01:06.04 | td123 | do google automatically signs us up for an acm.org account? How do we get a hold of our password? |
| 01:06.44 | td123 | s/do/does/ |
| 01:06.56 | td123 | ugh, s/signs/sign/ |
| 01:07.19 | tylercurtis | Go to the ACM site and "create a Web account". |
| 01:08.45 | td123 | when it asks for an email address, do we use the @acm.org one or gmail one |
| 01:09.23 | td123 | because it seems that google automatically signed me up for the email address and started forwarding emails to my gmail account |
| 01:09.52 | robbyoconnor | td123: yes |
| 01:10.45 | td123 | robbyoconnor: ?do we use the @acm.org one or gmail one |
| 01:10.58 | robbyoconnor | I have a membership already |
| 01:10.59 | tylercurtis | I used the gmail. |
| 01:11.09 | robbyoconnor | wait for an email |
| 01:11.13 | robbyoconnor | get your membership # |
| 01:11.25 | robbyoconnor | then call them and have them merge it to your EXISTING one |
| 01:11.43 | robbyoconnor | in essence i dont have to pay for awhile lol :) |
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| 03:28.30 | MostAwesomeDude | Hm, does anybody know how to make a compound filter in Gmail? |
| 03:29.09 | MostAwesomeDude | I ideally want to direct-archive things from a mailing list, but not if I was in the CC (my post, or a reply to my post). |
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| 03:29.49 | MostAwesomeDude | I tried (ml@lists.some.server AND NOT my.nick@gmail.com), but it didn't like that, |
| 03:34.33 | robbyoconnor | MostAwesomeDude: just go abridged or better yet "No E-mail" |
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| 03:35.01 | robbyoconnor | join this: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-announce-list |
| 03:35.29 | robbyoconnor | ajay kumar manages it (GSoC alum for 2-years -- he didn't apply this year i don't think) |
| 03:36.14 | robbyoconnor | any important messages from carol and the gsoc program admins will go there |
| 03:36.18 | robbyoconnor | er be linked :) |
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| 03:59.33 | MostAwesomeDude | robbyoconnor: Ah, thanks. |
| 04:00.42 | [mharrison] | hmm, why does google.com suddenly look like 1996? |
| 04:02.39 | Landon | what? |
| 04:02.48 | Landon | what are you on, mhutchw|gone |
| 04:04.43 | Landon | er, [mharrison] |
| 04:05.34 | robbyoconnor | shy the HELL do I have $250 balance on my account @ school |
| 04:05.36 | [mharrison] | Different logo, funny buttons, giant search box, oogli side bar on the left |
| 04:05.52 | robbyoconnor | i use igoogle |
| 04:06.11 | robbyoconnor | holy crap |
| 04:06.14 | robbyoconnor | that's ugly |
| 04:06.50 | [mharrison] | Yup |
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| 04:25.48 | robbyoconnor | it's bad to get a 99.2% error on a physics lab right? |
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| 04:27.06 | skbohra | good morning |
| 04:27.36 | skbohra | can i assign myself as mentor , to some project ? |
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| 04:27.54 | svaksha | robbyoconnor: if that is bad, try math where the concept of "error" does not exist |
| 04:28.20 | skbohra | or i need to tell my org admin ? |
| 04:28.40 | robbyoconnor | skbohra: tell the org admin lol |
| 04:28.49 | robbyoconnor | they should approve you |
| 04:28.53 | robbyoconnor | (ideally) |
| 04:29.00 | skbohra | robbyoconnor: :) Thanks |
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| 04:30.00 | robbyoconnor | svaksha: I got a 74.1% errr on my last lap |
| 04:30.05 | robbyoconnor | my prof wrote "Ouch!" next to it |
| 04:30.06 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 04:30.09 | svaksha | heh |
| 04:30.16 | robbyoconnor | lab*U |
| 04:30.39 | svaksha | would have loved to score 100% on all the math papers with 99.99% errors |
| 04:30.52 | robbyoconnor | oh shit! |
| 04:30.54 | svaksha | 100% marks* |
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| 04:31.49 | robbyoconnor | ok much better |
| 04:31.50 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 04:31.58 | robbyoconnor | damn you decimals |
| 04:32.05 | robbyoconnor | 23% |
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| 04:32.46 | sploving | Does anyone received the ACM e_mail |
| 04:32.56 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: if i had that result (never did :P) I wouldn't go around boasting about it ;) |
| 04:33.46 | robbyoconnor | not yet |
| 04:33.52 | robbyoconnor | thebolt: but it's funny |
| 04:34.15 | robbyoconnor | on one lab: all that was involved was a mass hanging from the ceiling a stop watch and *SOMEHOW* we botched the data BAD |
| 04:34.19 | tobiw | sploving: i got an acm email about their junk and virus filters |
| 04:34.30 | robbyoconnor | I was like "this can't be good" |
| 04:34.41 | robbyoconnor | it was in the ballpark of 83% and some change |
| 04:34.53 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: so not only are you incompetent, you are also sloppy ;-) |
| 04:35.08 | robbyoconnor | That wasn't my fault |
| 04:35.11 | robbyoconnor | I wasn['t the only one! |
| 04:35.26 | thebolt | and bad at choosing your lab-partner(s) ;) |
| 04:35.34 | robbyoconnor | It just happened |
| 04:35.42 | sploving | tobiw, does that mean we could use it ? |
| 04:35.58 | sploving | tobiw, me received too |
| 04:36.12 | tobiw | use what for doing what? your acm email address? |
| 04:36.28 | svaksha | robbyoconnor: averages and statistics look better than raw data |
| 04:36.36 | sploving | yes. the email address. I found no password. |
| 04:36.52 | robbyoconnor | PATIENCE |
| 04:37.21 | robbyoconnor | PATIENCE |
| 04:37.22 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 04:37.32 | thebolt | sploving: i am not sure if it is the same, but I got an acm student membership from competing at NWERC.. and it is a forwarder-address only |
| 04:37.54 | svaksha | wonders about the excitement over the acm mail. |
| 04:38.31 | sploving | then we have to wait. |
| 04:39.27 | robbyoconnor | I already have a membership |
| 04:39.33 | robbyoconnor | i got the most expensive one :D |
| 04:39.52 | sploving | oh |
| 04:39.55 | robbyoconnor | I got it primarily because it's sometimes fun to prod the digital library |
| 04:40.14 | robbyoconnor | plus i get a print Communications of the ACM |
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| 04:40.53 | svaksha | do they provide access to full papers? or just abstracts? |
| 04:41.09 | sploving | Does the 2010 foreign certification updated |
| 04:41.10 | sploving | ? |
| 04:41.21 | svaksha | sploving: not yet |
| 04:41.33 | sploving | thx |
| 04:41.41 | svaksha | carols will mail the list when she updates it |
| 04:41.50 | sploving | yep |
| 04:42.13 | svaksha | jftr, the dates for submission will also be extended in all probability |
| 04:42.46 | robbyoconnor | I suggested carols withhold stats if you nitwits keep asking :) |
| 04:42.52 | svaksha | heh |
| 04:43.20 | robbyoconnor | she liked it :) |
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| 04:45.05 | robbyoconnor | dances |
| 04:45.19 | robbyoconnor | gyrates his hips |
| 04:45.56 | robbyoconnor | (This disturbing image brought to you by a heavily caffienated robbyoconnor and the letter g) |
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| 05:05.53 | MostAwesomeDude | Try being in my shoes. No caffiene and a malfunctioning digestive tract. |
| 05:07.54 | Landon | or in my shoes, with some sammich cookies and 2% milk |
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| 05:10.54 | MostAwesomeDude | Those sound like comfy shoes. |
| 05:11.40 | Landon | and 2 chicken sandwiches |
| 05:11.58 | Landon | made purely so I can scientifically test which condimen is better |
| 05:12.08 | Landon | spicy brown mustard or horseradish mustard |
| 05:12.14 | Landon | via the om-nommery method |
| 05:15.25 | robbyoconnor | ... what |
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| 05:15.33 | robbyoconnor | Landon: you're sick and twisted. |
| 05:15.35 | robbyoconnor | I like that. |
| 05:16.19 | robbyoconnor | I love how facebook chat completely doesn't do the a scrollbar at times. |
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| 07:31.46 | robbyoconnor | GREETINGS |
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| 08:51.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 08:55.13 | memowe | Free ice cream! Awesom! |
| 08:55.21 | skbohra | :) |
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| 08:59.26 | GG | :) |
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| 12:41.55 | aoszkar | could anyone please tell me what are the advantages of the ACM membership? |
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| 12:42.55 | bawr | You can pay $23 more and get the digital library. ;) |
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| 12:43.30 | bawr | Also: http://www.acm.org/membership/benefits |
| 12:45.38 | Waren | yo |
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| 13:05.27 | akshayb | any1 from ireland in gsoc? |
| 13:06.02 | akshayb | or any gsoc ireland mailing list or group? |
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| 13:10.14 | r0bby|android | akshayb: start one? |
| 13:10.22 | r0bby|android | Organize a meetup |
| 13:12.09 | akshayb | well but how to contact students from ireland and inform them about new group? |
| 13:14.46 | sanooj | you from ireland, akshayb? where abouts? |
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| 13:24.37 | aoszkar | thanks, bawr |
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| 14:47.28 | kimelto | morning! |
| 14:48.36 | bawr | Damn, the market got hit pretty hard. |
| 14:52.04 | rohitr | aha, its not about Greece anymore. |
| 14:52.17 | rohitr | The overconsumption had to catch up at some point of time. |
| 14:54.06 | bawr | Well, it's actually a computer-trading error, by the looks of it. |
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| 15:05.51 | Jun | Hi, akshayb. Where are u from in Ireland? |
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| 15:18.29 | Peter17 | bawr: assuming that I'm not interested in the following advantages http://www.acm.org/membership/benefits , it it necessary that I create an ACM account? |
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| 15:18.49 | bawr | No. |
| 15:19.07 | Peter17 | it is not needed to get paid or anything, right? |
| 15:19.16 | r0bby|android | Poor guy @ acm member svcs |
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| 15:19.52 | Peter17 | r0bby|android: ? |
| 15:20.00 | bawr | No. |
| 15:20.07 | bawr | It's just there if you want it. |
| 15:20.13 | Peter17 | bawr: thanks! |
| 15:20.20 | Peter17 | so, I won't register :) |
| 15:20.58 | smtms | Peter17, your loss |
| 15:22.09 | Peter17 | smtms: well, I don't think I need that... I have no time to read 600 online books :D |
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| 18:48.25 | RoAkSoAx | carols, Howdy!! I was wondering if along with tax form/proof of enrollment do we have to send Copy of our work authorization (for F-1 visa students) |
| 18:49.11 | carols | RoAkSoAx: nope |
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| 18:49.20 | carols | just the tax form and proof of enrollment |
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| 18:49.35 | RoAkSoAx | carols, oki ty :) |
| 18:49.43 | carols | yw |
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| 19:39.12 | Nightrose | carols: too bad - thanks for trying |
| 19:39.28 | carols | Nightrose: np. |
| 19:39.46 | Nightrose | i'll have to make do with the data of the successful students then |
| 19:39.59 | Nightrose | and see what i can do with the failed ones from last year maybe |
| 19:41.33 | carols | Nightrose: I'm curious why you're emphasizing the failed ones so much? i hope this isnt for some sort of public shaming? |
| 19:42.18 | Nightrose | carols: heh of course not! - i just want to see if they for example still commited something to our svn after gsoc ended |
| 19:42.29 | Nightrose | or if they've been active with us before gsoc started |
| 19:42.31 | Nightrose | and such things |
| 19:42.35 | Nightrose | it'd be anonymous |
| 19:42.40 | carols | Nightrose: ok, cool |
| 19:43.07 | Nightrose | and i'm just emphasising the failed ones because i have the names of the rest |
| 19:43.25 | carols | ok |
| 19:43.59 | Nightrose | so far the results are interesting btw |
| 19:45.03 | Nightrose | for example if a student has still been active 3 months after his/her gsoc project ended they're likely to stay around for a long time |
| 19:46.20 | svuorela | don't think he can make any debian trends, but I haven't studied numbers. |
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| 19:47.29 | carols | that is very interesting. |
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| 19:53.52 | dberkholz | carols: Nightrose actually i wanted to follow the same stuff on our failed students (both not accepted and failed midsummer) to see what happened |
| 19:54.23 | carols | dberkholz: *ducks* i know I still have a spreadsheet i owe you |
| 19:54.29 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 19:54.42 | dberkholz | hopefully, students who are applying are interested in your org, so you ought to be able to recruit many of them |
| 19:54.47 | dberkholz | regardless of whether they get accepted |
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| 19:55.09 | Nightrose | dberkholz: it's actually working rather well for us in KDE with season of kde |
| 19:55.10 | rohitr | Nightrose: Isnt it obvious that if a student works/is active after his internship, he would stay back?? Did I miss the sarcasm?? |
| 19:55.22 | Nightrose | rohitr: huh? |
| 19:55.28 | Nightrose | not sure what you mean |
| 19:55.44 | rohitr | aha, me too, I think :-) |
| 19:55.50 | Nightrose | heh |
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| 19:55.54 | Nightrose | some of our students from 2005 are still active today |
| 19:56.07 | Nightrose | and so far the tiping point is 3 months after their gsoc ended |
| 19:56.15 | Nightrose | i still have more data to look at though |
| 19:56.18 | rohitr | all of them? |
| 19:56.43 | Nightrose | ? |
| 19:57.08 | rohitr | ahh, nevermind |
| 19:57.17 | rohitr | waiting for your paper though :) |
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| 19:57.50 | Nightrose | hehe yea - let's see if i can find some more useful stuff |
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| 19:58.00 | dberkholz | carols: i've got no shortage of things to do, no need to set aside more important stuff for that just yet |
| 19:58.26 | dberkholz | in theory i've got 6 scientific papers that i'm writing right now |
| 19:58.35 | carols | dberkholz: i appreciate that. taxes and lawyers and payments have been taking all my time right now |
| 19:58.52 | carols | grumbles about money and lawyers |
| 19:59.14 | rohitr | serves carol some Darjeeling tea :-) |
| 19:59.22 | rohitr | and some Samosas. |
| 19:59.25 | Landon | thinks you have fair game if you want to call taxes "money lawyers" |
| 19:59.32 | tulcod | so what's the advantage of ACM? :P |
| 19:59.34 | carols | sips some tea |
| 19:59.37 | carols | thanks rohitr |
| 19:59.42 | carols | samosas! |
| 19:59.45 | carols | munches samosas |
| 19:59.48 | carols | i love samosas |
| 19:59.58 | rohitr | hehe, really? |
| 19:59.58 | carols | Landon: a very, very good point |
| 20:00.07 | Nightrose | dberkholz: 6? jeez and i think it's crazy here with 3 |
| 20:00.10 | carols | yes! fried potatoes with spices? of course. |
| 20:00.37 | rohitr | wow, samosas have travelled a fair distance I guess :-) |
| 20:00.40 | dberkholz | Nightrose: yeah. the problem with moving on to a new position is you never really leave the old one behind... i've got pending papers from my past 2, not even counting the current one |
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| 20:00.49 | Nightrose | heh |
| 20:00.51 | Nightrose | sounds fun |
| 20:01.54 | dberkholz | so my "20% time" pretty much goes toward those |
| 20:01.54 | dberkholz | and by 20% time i mean 20% of my work week and about 75% of my free time |
| 20:01.54 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 20:01.55 | carols | rohitr: i loves me some mattar paneer too and daal and paratha...mmmmm |
| 20:03.51 | rohitr | thinks carols is awesome. :-) |
| 20:04.06 | carols | thinks rohitr is awesome :-) |
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| 20:06.29 | Masca | I'm an accepted student and I didn't got the mailing list invitation. Who can I ask it to add me? How high is the trafic on that list? |
| 20:06.37 | carols | Masca: very high and me |
| 20:07.12 | Masca | carols: Well. I'm not sure if I want to add myself to a very high traific list. Is that really needed or I can subscribe to some blog or something? |
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| 20:07.37 | carols | Masca: you will miss announcements if you dont subscribe, but you dont have to if you dont want to. might i suggest using digest mode? |
| 20:07.56 | gevaerts | Masca: look at it this way: you get $5000 for handling the list, and you code for a shirt |
| 20:08.13 | rohitr | haha, well put. |
| 20:08.15 | Masca | Mm well. I guess I want announcements. carols can you add me? |
| 20:08.19 | Masca | gevaerts: hehe |
| 20:08.20 | sanooj | the students list isn't all that high traffic (yet) |
| 20:08.23 | carols | sure, send me an email |
| 20:08.34 | sanooj | perhaps the discussion list is. |
| 20:09.09 | sanooj | I see ~ 170 messages for the past week or so. |
| 20:09.35 | sanooj | ... on the students list. that's less than 25 messages per day. hardly high traffic. |
| 20:10.35 | Masca | carols: sent |
| 20:10.46 | carols | thanks |
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| 20:29.05 | carldani | Got my first "professional" news mail from the ACM with the following gem: |
| 20:29.07 | carldani | "You are subscribed to &LISTNAME; with your email address" |
| 20:29.31 | carldani | carols: thanks for getting the ACM stuff sorted out |
| 20:29.59 | carols | carldani: you're quite welcome |
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| 20:32.33 | carldani | carols: Here comes a dumb question from me, but I don't want to spam the mailing list with it. I can get a proof of enrollment (with dates) from my uni, and it even has an online verification code for security purposes. It is in German, though. Should I create a short translation by editing the PDF or should I attach a separate PDF which is a translated version of the original? |
| 20:33.24 | carols | carldani: no need for translation, its fine in the language its in |
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| 20:42.27 | carldani | carols: perfect, thanks. Then I'll wait for the 2010 students foreign certification form and then send everything in one bunch. |
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| 20:42.52 | carols | carldani: sure, works for me |
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| 20:43.52 | carldani | back to coding... |
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| 20:47.35 | r0bby|android | Hai! |
| 20:48.11 | r0bby|android | carols: thank you. My acm account is merged |
| 20:48.23 | carols | r0bby|android: you're welcome. thanks for the tip on that |
| 20:49.02 | r0bby|android | No problem, did it last yr. I was like wtf can I do w/ this... |
| 20:50.26 | r0bby|android | :) |
| 20:50.44 | r0bby|android | wants to sleep and study at the same time |
| 20:51.35 | thiago_home | sleep-learning |
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| 20:56.59 | Masca | r0bby|android: what do you mean with "merged"? |
| 20:58.17 | r0bby|android | Masca: I basically had my other acct extended for 1yr...had to pay $27 to bring it up to the level where I am. |
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| 20:59.33 | r0bby|android | In essence the other acct is nullified. |
| 21:00.01 | Masca | I'm wondering what are the benefits we get from this acm account? I do have papers access trough my school. |
| 21:00.41 | Masca | r0bby|android: nice. You better ask your school to get a partnership with acm... it's a shame need to pay for that, as a student. |
| 21:01.11 | carols | cheers |
| 21:01.15 | carols | the lawyers decided! |
| 21:01.18 | r0bby|android | Yeh. Doubt they'd do it...I get print comm. Of the acm |
| 21:01.31 | r0bby|android | Plus I can't remember the other mag. |
| 21:01.53 | r0bby|android | Nice! |
| 21:02.05 | rohitr | r0bby|android : Even Indian Univs do that. Time to immigrate? |
| 21:02.08 | gevaerts | That calls for tea and cookies! |
| 21:02.20 | Masca | wants tea. |
| 21:02.57 | r0bby|android | wanta espresso...quadrupual 2x over. |
| 21:03.12 | r0bby|android | Wants* |
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| 21:03.44 | scorche|sh | r0bby|android: anything but that! |
| 21:03.51 | Masca | man, you cant spell and you want that much coffe? |
| 21:04.05 | scorche|sh | hands r0bby|android a nice, calming jasmine tea |
| 21:05.30 | carols | serves tea and cookies and champagne for those of the right age |
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| 21:06.23 | scorche|sh | fancy! |
| 21:06.46 | gevaerts | is too old for champagne :) |
| 21:07.07 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: nonsense....i am trying to imagine what you might look like without the beard though |
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| 21:07.20 | rohitr | sneakily drinks some champagne. |
| 21:07.26 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: I've given up on that :) |
| 21:07.42 | scorche|sh | cards rohitr |
| 21:08.07 | gevaerts | sips tea while telling everyone how everything used to be better |
| 21:14.21 | carldani | now we just need the obligatory "get off my lawn" comment |
| 21:15.57 | carldani | carols: Thanks for the tea and cookies! |
| 21:16.17 | carldani | I'll avoid the champagne, though. |
| 21:17.22 | carols | carldani: yw :-) |
| 21:18.33 | carldani | I hope it's OK if I work on non-GSoC stuff for the project which supervises me as a GSoC student as long as I do that in my spare time. |
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| 21:19.52 | vivia | carldani: cheers c(_) are we expecting a new email with instructions? |
| 21:19.57 | vivia | oops |
| 21:20.18 | vivia | carols: that was for you â (i'll blame it on tab completion instead of my bad proofchecking :$) |
| 21:20.30 | carldani | vivia: what's c(_) |
| 21:20.49 | carols | vivia: yes, we are. momentarily |
| 21:20.55 | vivia | carldani: a cup of tea, in this case. but it wasn't for you |
| 21:21.00 | carldani | vivia: ah |
| 21:21.03 | bawr | carldani: You can do that even on your GSoC time, as long as you still finish within the time period, I guess. |
| 21:21.09 | vivia | carldani: it was a tab completion fail |
| 21:21.22 | carldani | Google is missing a crucial feature: Searching for smileys. |
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| 21:26.20 | r0bby|android | Hey what's spelling gotta do w/ it Masca?! |
| 21:26.32 | r0bby|android | Just means I need more coffee! |
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| 21:28.02 | r0bby|android | carols: get the google docs team to add the ability to round to an arbitrary # of decimal places in spreadsheets. |
| 21:28.16 | r0bby|android | I hate that it's lacking :( |
| 21:28.18 | carols | r0bby|android: not my job :-) |
| 21:28.21 | r0bby|android | *please |
| 21:28.33 | vivia | r0bby|android: i'm afraid that not even a pretty please with sugar on top will help |
| 21:28.51 | vivia | i guess you just need to go to google docs help and find a feature request place over there |
| 21:28.57 | r0bby|android | It's sad that it's lacking. |
| 21:29.21 | r0bby|android | An otherwise powerful tool is crippled |
| 21:29.25 | vivia | it's also sad that google calendar can't remind you of all-day events after 17:00 the previous day, which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early |
| 21:29.31 | vivia | but oh well |
| 21:30.33 | r0bby|android | Yeh |
| 21:30.47 | r0bby|android | Lame! |
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| 21:40.32 | vivia | carols: just to double-check... my proof of enrollment is in greek, i scanned it then did my own translation in english in a separate file, it will do, right? |
| 21:40.41 | carols | vivia: yes thats fine |
| 21:41.26 | vivia | ok thanks :) |
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| 21:44.47 | mkarnicki | carols: These lawyers are unbelivably slow. I guess more has been changed then just 2009->2010 :) (talks about the for. certificaction form) |
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| 21:45.00 | carols | mkarnicki: i got approval from them today |
| 21:45.20 | mkarnicki | carols: at last, sweet. when can we expect the document up on the website? |
| 21:45.36 | carols | when i finish uploading it |
| 21:45.43 | mkarnicki | carols: sorry ^ ^ sure.. |
| 21:45.58 | mkarnicki | carols: I didn't want to sound rude, I wasn't rushing you. |
| 21:46.37 | mkarnicki | carols: you have been probably asked a 1000 times about that.. sorry :) |
| 21:46.44 | carols | mkarnicki: np |
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| 21:47.05 | mkarnicki | looks up to Carol's patience |
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| 21:47.54 | carols | it was in the job description |
| 21:48.24 | smtms | was scalability to 1000+ students in the job description too? :-) |
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| 21:48.45 | mkarnicki | carols: haha :) |
| 21:48.53 | carols | smtms: since we accepted more than 1,000 students this year, yes. :-) |
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| 21:51.59 | bawr | So I can finally pester my friend with a scanner? Cool. :) |
| 21:53.05 | jkwood | bawr: You haven't been yet? |
| 21:54.06 | vivia | the scanner is connected to my dad's pc which is turned off. darn. i kinda hoped i could do it at the lab during office hours (GMT+3), friday night is the worst timing... thanks mr murphy |
| 21:54.16 | bawr | I haven't been what? |
| 21:54.50 | vivia | email arrived!!! |
| 21:55.02 | mkarnicki | vivia: true :) |
| 21:55.09 | steev | oh no, poor lh :( |
| 21:55.18 | carols | uhoh, whats wrong with lh? |
| 21:55.23 | jkwood | bawr: Pesteringg your friends? ;) |
| 21:55.44 | steev | she installed some Lucid updates and now her netbook won't boot properly |
| 21:55.55 | carols | oh man, that sucks |
| 21:56.12 | tulcod | carols: i'm still waiting for the stats... |
| 21:56.17 | kblin | hm, lucid works pretty fine for me :) |
| 21:56.21 | vivia | me too~ |
| 21:56.24 | kblin | hey carols, btw :) |
| 21:56.28 | jkwood | hugs his Slackware install |
| 21:56.29 | carols | hey kblin :-) |
| 21:56.41 | carols | tulcod: yes, and you will continue to wait |
| 21:56.43 | tulcod | :( |
| 21:56.53 | tulcod | but this is important! |
| 21:57.00 | Ivanovic | kblin: they just made one tiny, unimportant mistake: they ship a broken libsdl! |
| 21:57.11 | mkarnicki | tulcod: :D |
| 21:57.20 | carols | tulcod: spending 5 million dollars correctly is the most important thing on my mind right now |
| 21:57.38 | Ivanovic | that is: the version they ship introduced a regression clearly breaking wesnoth on many desktop environments and also breaking some other games (eg TTD seems to be affected) |
| 21:57.45 | carols | well, that and staying out of jail |
| 21:57.45 | kblin | Ivanovic: hm, I'm sure they made more mistakes :) |
| 21:57.48 | bawr | You know, for that much fretting over with the lawyers, the document is pretty short. |
| 21:58.03 | kblin | Ivanovic: but if I'd have known that before I'd have bitched at the release manager during dinner ;) |
| 21:58.03 | tulcod | but... but!!! |
| 21:58.07 | Ivanovic | kblin: yeah, if you are using an ati card from the HD5xxx series it is not possible to use the system |
| 21:58.10 | tulcod | statistics are /cool/! |
| 21:58.10 | thebolt | gey kblin , how do you do? |
| 21:58.28 | Ivanovic | they do load a version of the open source ati driver which is broken for those cards |
| 21:58.31 | mkarnicki | bawr: they may have been busy with other things ;P |
| 21:58.32 | kblin | Ivanovic: works fine on my card, but it's a different series |
| 21:58.41 | Ivanovic | so it is not possible to install the proprietary driver either |
| 21:58.47 | kblin | thebolt: doing fine, hacking on samba :) |
| 21:59.03 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
| 21:59.08 | Ivanovic | (the sane choice would have been to default to svga as driver for those cards and be done |
| 21:59.13 | kblin | carols: I can send you a bank account to put it on :) |
| 21:59.18 | thebolt | hm, i should get to bed.. been trying to do that for the last 40 minutes or so |
| 21:59.19 | kblin | !patience |
| 21:59.19 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 21:59.22 | carols | kblin: i'm sure you can. ;-) |
| 21:59.23 | kblin | tulcod: ^^^ |
| 21:59.36 | tulcod | !stats |
| 21:59.36 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 21:59.36 | Ivanovic | but beside those (annoying) issues 10.4 seems to be really fine for an ubuntu release |
| 21:59.39 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 22:00.12 | tulcod | kblin: hehe, yeah, i also know this friend in switzerland... ;) |
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| 22:00.43 | kblin | Ivanovic: kde is still broke, though |
| 22:01.03 | vivia | Ivanovic: my brother needed an extra kernel option to wait for the root partition a longer time |
| 22:01.12 | Ivanovic | honestly, if you want to seriously use kde ubuntu is not the best solution... |
| 22:01.13 | bawr | kblin: Who cares about KDE? ;) |
| 22:01.28 | Ivanovic | they just patch too much stuff to have kde work nicely... |
| 22:01.29 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:01.30 | vivia | without that, it would just dump him to an initramfs prompt saying it couldn't find the root partition, though it was there in /proc/disks/by-uuid |
| 22:01.34 | kblin | bawr: I do, and I'm the user I care about most |
| 22:01.46 | jkwood | I'm pretty sure that the KDE in Kubuntu is perpoetually broken. |
| 22:01.46 | vivia | bawr: the real question is who cares about gnome actually |
| 22:02.00 | vivia | kblin: my kde works perfectly here, what's the issue in yours? |
| 22:02.01 | mkarnicki | vivia: I care ;P |
| 22:02.06 | bawr | shrugs |
| 22:02.22 | bawr | Gnome just works without too much clutter, I find. YMMV. |
| 22:02.40 | mkarnicki | perhaps we shouldn't start a kde vs gnome discussion here ;) |
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| 22:03.32 | rohitr | ahh, just as it was warming up, mkarnicki, you had to stop it . :-| |
| 22:03.49 | mkarnicki | rohitr: sorry to take your toys away ^ ^ |
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| 22:03.59 | tulcod | mkarnicki: gnome but with awesome as window manager ftw!! |
| 22:04.06 | bawr | De gustibus and all that, although I'm sure there are some hardline fanatics who'd claim that Gnome steals talent and effort from KDE, and will eventually bury desktop linux forever. ;) |
| 22:04.08 | mkarnicki | tulcod: ftw! |
| 22:04.31 | rohitr | I <3 kde vs gnome fights as much as I love Arsenal vs ManUtd |
| 22:04.32 | mkarnicki | tulcod: (actually, I haven't tried that configuration, is it even possible ;D ? like.. it makes sense?) |
| 22:04.41 | bawr | tulcod: I don't know, I'm fine with dwm, really. :) |
| 22:04.58 | mkarnicki | rohitr: :D |
| 22:05.10 | bawr | mkarnicki: gnome-settings-daemon + dwm here, I guess that's what he meant. Or not. |
| 22:05.17 | tulcod | mkarnicki: sure it is, i'm using it on my laptop |
| 22:05.25 | tulcod | just make sure to disable nautilus completely |
| 22:05.29 | tulcod | and gnome-panel |
| 22:05.46 | mkarnicki | tulcod: for me, gnome-panel is gnome ;D (stupid me) |
| 22:05.52 | tulcod | hehe |
| 22:06.28 | tulcod | mkarnicki: well, this combo provides the automagic configuration of gnome with the quick interface of awesome |
| 22:06.51 | mkarnicki | tulcod: that sounded just a little bit too clever for me I think.. |
| 22:06.51 | int3 | gnome-terminal is awful too |
| 22:06.53 | mkarnicki | winks |
| 22:06.53 | int3 | urxvt ftw |
| 22:07.06 | mkarnicki | int3: hey, it's not that bad! :) i'm using it right now |
| 22:07.07 | bawr | Though for my small-screem metbook, I find that a gnome-panel on the bottom with maximus works very well. |
| 22:07.12 | tulcod | mkarnicki: hm? |
| 22:07.19 | bawr | Not much screen space to manage. :) |
| 22:07.44 | mkarnicki | tulcod: ah, automagic conf, now I get it :) |
| 22:07.54 | mkarnicki | tulcod: yay \o/ that's what I'd like then! |
| 22:08.01 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I must try that combo some day :) |
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| 22:08.31 | bawr | int3: Actually, lately urxvt is slower / more blinking than gnome-terminal for me. :/ |
| 22:08.42 | int3 | bawr: how is that possible o_O |
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| 22:09.38 | bawr | Don't ask me, I have no idea. (And yes, I'm not using bitmap fonts, because hell, urxvt should be faster with the same looks.) |
| 22:09.39 | tulcod | mkarnicki: again, make sure to disable the gnome panel and nautilus completely, it's somewhere in gconf settings |
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| 22:10.27 | mkarnicki | tulcod: noted :) |
| 22:11.09 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I'm a bit to busy for this fun right now, but perhaps after gsoc I'll go for that /awesome/ ride :) |
| 22:12.00 | tulcod | :) |
| 22:12.25 | mkarnicki | tulcod: what network manager are you using? |
| 22:12.32 | tulcod | wicd |
| 22:13.20 | vivia | wicd rox |
| 22:13.49 | mkarnicki | tulcod: i think my /awesome/ friend also uses wicd |
| 22:13.56 | vivia | i just told my boyfriend to install it and his network stopped working completely :( |
| 22:14.10 | tulcod | mkarnicki: you told me a week ago or so :) |
| 22:14.15 | tulcod | wait |
| 22:14.15 | vivia | his wired interface was UP and RUNNING but couldn't even ping his gateway |
| 22:14.29 | tulcod | mkarnicki: no, wait, you only told me he's using awesome |
| 22:14.32 | tulcod | because you suggested it |
| 22:14.33 | carldani | wow, 3% fee for currency excahnge |
| 22:14.46 | vivia | carldani: yes the fees are a wonder :s |
| 22:14.46 | tulcod | carldani: yeah, and to think of the value of the euro right now XD |
| 22:15.00 | tulcod | can't i just get the dollars and find my own exchange? |
| 22:15.08 | mkarnicki | tulcod: but he new about wicd before, so he's using it on awesome now :) |
| 22:15.23 | mkarnicki | tulcod: yep, true. you remember well :) |
| 22:15.25 | tulcod | yeah... well i just dislike networkmanager's dependency upon gnome |
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| 22:15.39 | tulcod | and i mean, maybe it works better for most people |
| 22:15.41 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I somewhat like networkmanager ;< |
| 22:15.41 | vivia | carols: wow that was fast. thanks! |
| 22:15.47 | carols | vivia: yw |
| 22:16.00 | carldani | At least for EU countries, a simple bank transfer in Euro (if BIC/IBAN are known) would have been way cheaper for many students and for Google as well. |
| 22:16.00 | carols | when im not hindered by lawyers im quite efficient :-) |
| 22:16.10 | vivia | lol :) |
| 22:16.34 | mkarnicki | :) |
| 22:17.23 | carldani | Many banks do not charge any fees for BIC/IBAN transfers inside EU and Switzerland. This would have made the overall money transfer more complicated, though. |
| 22:17.25 | vivia | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/388553 â wicd uses wpa_supplicant afaik |
| 22:18.13 | vivia | carldani: i think they just want to keep things simple. it's 1025 of us, i think they'd rather use something more expensive but more efficne |
| 22:18.16 | vivia | efficient* |
| 22:18.36 | rohitr | carldani: I look at the Rupee-Dollar graph every morning :P And I gained *potential* 5000 rupees in just 7 days. |
| 22:18.40 | carldani | The individual transfers are not complicated, but handling payouts differently depending on whether a student is in EU/Switzerland or not would have required more time from carols and I bet she's already at the limit. |
| 22:19.58 | mkarnicki | carols: now I may ask (I've been waiting with this question): good quality picture of the for. cert. form is acceptable? if you prefer I'll wait few days to scan it. |
| 22:20.19 | carols | mkarnicki: a few days doesn't matter, scan it so its higher quality. :-) |
| 22:20.26 | carols | im in no rush |
| 22:20.34 | carols | ive got 400 other things to be doing |
| 22:20.37 | smtms | carldani, she already has to manage lists of students that will/won't receive payments |
| 22:20.42 | mkarnicki | carols: will do. got it. thanks! |
| 22:20.46 | carols | np |
| 22:20.55 | tulcod | mkarnicki: aren't we all just autistic biological harddrives? (re: remembering our talk weeks ago) |
| 22:20.56 | carols | smtms: boy, you can say that again. |
| 22:21.16 | carols | had to have a hour long phone call with citibank today |
| 22:21.18 | vivia | and i think it must already be hard to receive all documentation 5 days later and send all payments on time :s |
| 22:21.39 | mkarnicki | tulcod: dang, we must have had a good talk ;D /tries to recall it |
| 22:21.51 | carols | vivia: there are other factors at play besides the forms, fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it |
| 22:22.17 | vivia | carols: sure, i can imagine that, i just think that should be making matters worse :s |
| 22:22.24 | mkarnicki | tulcod: has that something to do with the traffic on students list? /wanders in thoughts |
| 22:22.28 | carols | vivia: all part of a day's work ;-) |
| 22:23.32 | tulcod | mkarnicki: hm, maybe you're less of a savant than I am, then ;) |
| 22:23.49 | mkarnicki | tulcod: now you got me, I won't be able to function unless you remind me the topic at least xD |
| 22:24.08 | mkarnicki | tulcod: perhaps ;D I recall calling you my /awesome/ god of some sort, though ;D |
| 22:24.15 | mkarnicki | tulcod: but that was pretty recent heheh |
| 22:24.16 | tulcod | well, we had a huge discussion about how awesome was better than anything else |
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| 22:24.30 | tulcod | yeah, well maybe it was less than a week |
| 22:24.35 | mkarnicki | tulcod: RIGHT! that's what i just mentioned ;D \o/ yay! |
| 22:24.50 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I'm a little savant then, also xD |
| 22:24.51 | mkarnicki | chuckles |
| 22:24.57 | tulcod | gratz |
| 22:25.36 | mkarnicki | tulcod: perhaps we are (re: re: remembering..) ;D |
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| 22:26.22 | carldani | carols: How many students did drop out of the program so far, and how many moved up in the ranks? (rough numbers) I remember you were unhappy about all those dropouts. |
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| 22:26.33 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I'll head to read some more documentation, you have a good day/evening :) |
| 22:26.49 | tulcod | hehe, alright, cya |
| 22:27.05 | tulcod | carldani: people dropped out already? |
| 22:27.06 | carols | carldani: not unhappy. students drop out, it happens. its only been a handful, but it means out number of accepted students right now is *not* prime as I had really wanted it to be :-) |
| 22:27.08 | mkarnicki | till next time |
| 22:27.09 | mkarnicki | waves |
| 22:27.18 | tulcod | that's like folding at poker when noone's raised yet |
| 22:27.40 | vivia | carols: oh NOW 1025 makes sense!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:27.46 | carols | vivia: :-) |
| 22:27.47 | carldani | 1025 is NOT prime |
| 22:27.55 | carols | carldani: i know. it sucks, dont it? |
| 22:28.00 | sanooj | the 5 gives it away. :P |
| 22:28.09 | smtms | carols, if Google drops some students, it can become prime ;-) |
| 22:28.11 | tulcod | not every number that ends in 5 isn't prime... ;) |
| 22:28.12 | vivia | *facepalm* |
| 22:28.16 | gevaerts | carols: surely you can kick out a few more? |
| 22:28.32 | carols | gevaerts: not my job. :-) |
| 22:28.43 | carldani | 1021 would be prime |
| 22:28.51 | vivia | and wouldn't overflow |
| 22:29.12 | carldani | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=prime+numbers+%3E1000 |
| 22:30.10 | tulcod | "how many students does it take to run gsoc?" "4, one to write code, one to get the 2010 foreign certification forms, one to drop out and one to deduce whether the number of students is a prime number" |
| 22:30.23 | vivia | lol |
| 22:30.35 | vivia | anyway, 1025 still doesn't make sense, apart from the palindrome |
| 22:31.24 | vivia | and my student id number is 257 |
| 22:31.38 | gevaerts | vivia: is the smallest number that can be written as the sum of a square and a cube in 4 ways. Surely that's good enough? |
| 22:31.42 | gevaerts | *1025 |
| 22:31.47 | sanooj | well done |
| 22:31.54 | tulcod | so what's good about this ACM stuff? should i be real happy about htis one-year membership? what's it got to offer? |
| 22:32.29 | tulcod | gevaerts: hehe, you have one of those "number properties" trivia books, too? :P |
| 22:32.46 | gevaerts | tulcod: no, I have a web browser :) |
| 22:32.52 | tulcod | i guess that works, too ;) |
| 22:33.02 | vivia | gevaerts: maybe, or maybe not. dunno. i never was a pure math kind of person, electricity and CS has always been my thing |
| 22:33.38 | vivia | so for me the palindrome is much cooler |
| 22:34.05 | carols | sips some tea |
| 22:36.05 | xnox | carols, ACM membership includes Developer Academic Alliance which gives access to Windows Vista, XP Professional, Server 2008 Visual studio 2008 and a whole bunch of other stuff |
| 22:36.08 | xnox | like that. But it's all proprietary software |
| 22:36.27 | carols | xnox: yeah, it does. |
| 22:36.28 | xnox | Shouldn't we be getting Ubuntu ShipIt CD's for example? =) |
| 22:36.37 | smtms | xnox, oh, no! ACM acknowledges the existence of Microsoft! |
| 22:36.48 | tulcod | vivia: wait, what's so palindromatic about 1025? |
| 22:36.49 | mkarnicki | smtms: cut it, it's not what he means :) |
| 22:37.01 | vivia | tulcod: ... in binary?... |
| 22:37.01 | mkarnicki | tulcod: +1, I also didn't get that. |
| 22:37.11 | mkarnicki | vivia: :> |
| 22:37.17 | topfs2 | runs away. not microsoft :S |
| 22:37.18 | vivia | come on. you're programmers, i'd expect you to tell a 1024 when you see it >< |
| 22:37.22 | tulcod | vivia: omg! |
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| 22:37.27 | gevaerts | thinks that 1025 is not a very interesting palindrome |
| 22:37.32 | tulcod | vivia: sorry for that one, you're right :) |
| 22:38.04 | xnox | I mean that with all respect to high quality software produced in Redmond the GSoC program is about OpenSource! So I thought more BSD/Linux advertisement rathen than giving about 3 types of proprietary software |
| 22:38.13 | tulcod | you know what's cool about binary numbers? |
| 22:38.19 | vivia | i just realized that wolfram alpha can interpret conversions like "57005 in hex" |
| 22:38.23 | vivia | which google can't do |
| 22:38.27 | tulcod | it's not hard to prove benford's law holds for binary numbers |
| 22:38.52 | mkarnicki | vivia: well spotted :) |
| 22:38.55 | smtms | xnox, you are disappointed that Microsoft is sponsoring this small part of the ACM membership? |
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| 22:39.29 | carols | xnox: hopefully you find something useful in the membership that isnt related to microsoft. if not, you're welcome to disregard it all together :-) |
| 22:39.48 | tulcod | mkarnicki: weren't you going to read documentation and everything? |
| 22:39.52 | gevaerts | vivia: What can't google do? |
| 22:40.04 | vivia | xnox: many of us have all this M$ stuff for free through MSDNAA though :s |
| 22:40.08 | rohitr | our univ already has the msdnaa, with Win7 included. |
| 22:40.22 | vivia | gevaerts: convert numbers from dec to hex, for example |
| 22:40.47 | xnox | carols, I do find it very useful !!!! And I will use some of that software because one of my projects goals does involve a frontend which currently runs in Wine & Windows. But now I will at least be able to test it under Windows =) |
| 22:40.52 | mkarnicki | tulcod: crap, u saw me ;D I am, but I got addicted to having a peek from time to time at these channels ;d |
| 22:40.53 | gevaerts | vivia: it tells me "57 005 = 0xDEAD" if I ask for "57005 in hex" |
| 22:41.07 | carols | xnox: there ya go. its all good. :-) |
| 22:41.12 | xnox | vivia, ACM includes MSDNAA which is how you get it ;-) |
| 22:41.12 | tulcod | mkarnicki: yeah, so gtfo :P |
| 22:41.14 | vivia | gevaerts: wow that must be a new feature then :) |
| 22:41.21 | gevaerts | vivia: it's been there for years |
| 22:41.23 | mkarnicki | tulcod: ok, i'm outta here ;) |
| 22:41.25 | vivia | xnox: no, my univ had msdnaa alaready |
| 22:41.44 | tulcod | so what else does ACM give us, except for free windows? |
| 22:41.45 | vivia | gevaerts: okay, it's "DEAD in dec" that doesn't work then |
| 22:42.04 | xnox | vivia, wow =) in my Uni we do have .NET lab and probably msdnaa for Computer Science students, but I'm in Engineering department. |
| 22:42.14 | gevaerts | vivia: try "0xdead in decimal" |
| 22:42.36 | tulcod | 0xdeadbeef ftw |
| 22:42.49 | vivia | gevaerts: right, thanks |
| 22:42.56 | gevaerts | thinks that 0xdeadbeef is overused |
| 22:43.02 | vivia | xnox: i'm in engineering department too, i think all students here have it |
| 22:43.22 | rohitr | xnox: yes here too. everyone has it. I am in Civil Engg |
| 22:43.22 | xnox | tulcod, there are Sun membership for studying solaris technology but I didn't manage to sign up. Email alias @acm.org a journal and library with publications but I'm not sure to how much of it we are subscribed though |
| 22:43.50 | xnox | rohitr, vivia I'm studying in a cheap UK uni then =( which uni's are you from |
| 22:43.59 | tulcod | xnox: so a magazine, some free software licenses and a handful of publications? |
| 22:44.19 | smtms | tulcod, precisely a *handful* |
| 22:44.23 | vivia | xnox: aristotle univ of thessaloniki, greece... public univ with no fees for undergraduate students |
| 22:44.25 | rohitr | xnox: lol I study in an 'impoverished' Indian Univ. |
| 22:44.52 | smtms | vivia, you don't pay a single euro? |
| 22:44.54 | tulcod | smtms: i'm sorry, are they actually a lot or weren't you being sarcastic? |
| 22:45.13 | tulcod | vivia: greece? omfg give me my money! |
| 22:45.19 | rohitr | xnox: Yeah mine too. You should probably ask your government to support education. |
| 22:45.22 | vivia | smtms: right. even books are for free. even food is for free. i mean. what am i saying. even M$ stuff is for free |
| 22:45.38 | vivia | tulcod: money isn't to save greece, it's to "save" those who lend money to greece |
| 22:45.49 | sanooj | vivia: are you serious? if so, that's awesome. |
| 22:45.50 | vivia | debt was high anyway and borrowing more just makes debt higher |
| 22:45.52 | smtms | vivia, can students from other EU countries study there without paying too? |
| 22:46.11 | vivia | smtms: not sure. but you'd have to learn fluent greek first |
| 22:46.33 | tulcod | here in the netherlands, masters are all given in english |
| 22:46.51 | carldani | It's antisocial to request fees for studying at universities. |
| 22:46.52 | vivia | we have to write our dissertations in greek. that includes translating all terminology >< |
| 22:47.07 | rohitr | vivia: How is Greece holding up? I heard the bond yields are equivalent to Pakistan now. |
| 22:47.18 | vivia | rohitr: greece is holding up great |
| 22:47.20 | rohitr | do you think they can support this level of subsidy? |
| 22:47.34 | vivia | people are waking up and realizing all mistakes in their own mentalityh |
| 22:47.38 | vivia | as for official figures, who cares |
| 22:47.49 | rohitr | aha, good to know. |
| 22:48.00 | vivia | okay, those who invest money would care i guess |
| 22:48.09 | sanooj | level of subsity? are you implying education actually dents the economy of any country in any serious way compared to everything else they're spending money on? |
| 22:48.09 | vivia | but not your average greek citizen |
| 22:48.12 | xnox | WOW =) in uk I have to pay quite a bit to study and I don't get much in return |
| 22:48.26 | sanooj | subsidy* |
| 22:48.45 | rohitr | sanooj: A subsidy is not detrimental. Which is why they give it. |
| 22:48.53 | xnox | Anywho I'm from Latvia and we have taken out a loan from EU totalling to 3 times more than the whole country owns |
| 22:48.58 | xnox | So Greece is ok =) |
| 22:49.12 | tulcod | xnox: i'm sorry, but that's actually not that much |
| 22:49.17 | vivia | sanooj: if you think about how much money is actually spent on education, it's a wonder how it all works out in the end |
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| 22:49.25 | tulcod | banks get up to 40 times what they own |
| 22:49.31 | rohitr | :O |
| 22:49.36 | scorche|sh | thinks we are getting a bit offtopic... |
| 22:49.47 | rohitr | tulcod: take an economics course, dude ;-) |
| 22:49.54 | rohitr | its not the same thing |
| 22:49.59 | vivia | scorche|sh: it all makes sense when you think about the gsoc money converted in each person's currency~ |
| 22:50.02 | tulcod | agreed, it's not the same thing |
| 22:50.37 | tulcod | but saying 3 times is a lot is an overly simplification as well |
| 22:50.37 | rohitr | 300% debt to gdp ratio is BAD |
| 22:50.37 | tulcod | s/overly/extreme/ |
| 22:50.37 | scorche|sh | vivia: that is a bit of a stretch ;) |
| 22:50.54 | vivia | i know, i just wanted to make it on-topic *angel smiley* |
| 22:51.11 | gevaerts | agrees with scorche|sh. The topic is tea and cookies, not money |
| 22:51.20 | carldani | To be honest, I expected local Google branches to handle the money transfer to reduce administration load on carols |
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| 22:51.23 | sanooj | or education. |
| 22:51.23 | carols | serves tea and cookies |
| 22:51.47 | tulcod | hates tea and is going for a shower. good night all! |
| 22:51.48 | vivia | carols: i'll have just some tea, thanks, there's so much cookies in here that we'll get fat >< |
| 22:51.48 | scorche|sh | it is about the shirts...not the money! |
| 22:51.53 | vivia | gn tulcod :) |
| 22:52.13 | tulcod | mkarnicki: good luck studying that por... - i mean, documentation |
| 22:52.17 | vivia | scorche|sh: and shiny stickers! i might change the furniture in my room and don't want to transplant the 2009 one :) |
| 22:52.20 | gevaerts | drinks some tea |
| 22:52.27 | carols | vivia: thats the great thing about virtual cookies! they'll never make you fat :-) |
| 22:52.33 | rohitr | scorche: why does everyone here say that?? Do we feel guilty about money? |
| 22:52.40 | scorche|sh | carols: but they can track us =< |
| 22:52.49 | carols | scorche|sh: the cookies? |
| 22:52.55 | scorche|sh | rohitr: no, it is because shirts are awesome |
| 22:52.57 | smtms | carldani, the overhead is in preparing the lists, not in executing the transfers |
| 22:53.03 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: but how are they ordered? |
| 22:53.03 | vivia | carols: sure, and they're always available. in #amsn we have a custom of celebrating big events with chocolate |
| 22:53.05 | eduardop | open source tea and cookies? |
| 22:53.18 | carldani | I'm just saddened by the fact that Citi earns $150 per student who is not paid in USD. |
| 22:53.19 | carols | open source couch :-) |
| 22:53.20 | rohitr | scorche: I am sure they are. Can't wait to get one :-) |
| 22:53.43 | eduardop | sits at the open source couch with a cup of tea |
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| 22:54.16 | carldani | That's at least $120000 lost to citi, and with that we could have funded 24 additional students. |
| 22:54.18 | scorche|sh | carldani: perhaps, but it is much nicer than the previous check or wire tranfer methods for international folk |
| 22:54.43 | scorche|sh | students tend to not like waiting a couple weeks while checks clear... |
| 22:54.57 | carols | carldani: there's also an ach transfer option this year. also, we're funding 25 more students than last year. i think that makes up for it. :-) |
| 22:55.19 | vivia | scorche|sh: why is wire transfer worse? |
| 22:55.45 | rohitr | vivia: account detail headaches?? |
| 22:55.48 | smtms | ACH this year? I'm not believing it |
| 22:55.56 | vivia | humm good point |
| 22:56.03 | gevaerts | carldani: funding 24 extra students isn't really very interesting if you can't get the money to them |
| 22:56.13 | vivia | ach _is_ interesting |
| 22:56.44 | xnox | For me receiving USD bank transfer would be more expensive then withdrawing GBP or LVL from a cash-machine with a USD card |
| 22:56.49 | xnox | so thanks a lot! |
| 22:57.03 | smtms | xnox, how much does it cost to recieve USD? |
| 22:57.47 | xnox | I'm charged 10 GBP pounds + crap exchange rate + 5% |
| 22:58.05 | smtms | xnox, this is rip off |
| 22:58.39 | xnox | and then electronics in UK they are about 30-50% more expensive than in US =) |
| 22:58.50 | scorche|sh | vivia: wire transfers also typically have not-so-nice fees as well and can be a pain for some to receive |
| 22:58.56 | scorche|sh | ach is much better |
| 22:59.08 | xnox | I really want to move to USA or Hong-Kong to get super-fast broadband & super-cheap electronics |
| 22:59.09 | rohitr | xnox: same here, in India |
| 22:59.17 | scorche|sh | the cards make things much much simpler for many many students |
| 22:59.28 | carldani | carols: Hm. ACH sounds like the US equivalent to SEPA (EU). |
| 22:59.43 | carols | carldani: ok |
| 23:00.02 | xnox | plus not all students have bank accounts to cash cheques or receive wire transfers. And you kind of get a feeling of posession. |
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| 23:00.09 | rohitr | yes, most people here dont have International debit/credit cards. So thank you Google :) |
| 23:00.34 | vivia | rohitr: my bank even gives me a virtual international prepaid card |
| 23:00.43 | xnox | Seriously in Honk Kong you can get 1Gbps internet =) Can't wait to see where we gonna have Google Fibre =) |
| 23:00.45 | carldani | SEPA has roughly two days for a transfer, and the fees are identical to local bank transfers (mandated by law). Usually this means the fee is zero or maybe 20 cents. |
| 23:00.47 | vivia | virtual means i just get the card number on the website, no physical card |
| 23:00.49 | scorche|sh | wishes US banks could do simple transfers using SWIFT/IBAN like EU banks can... |
| 23:01.05 | xnox | yes IBAN rocks =) |
| 23:01.10 | carldani | absolutely |
| 23:01.22 | vivia | no :( |
| 23:01.39 | carldani | I use it extensively for transfers between Germany and Switzerland (no, not tax evasion). |
| 23:01.49 | vivia | some time ago i wanted to transfer 10⬠or so to another EU country, turns out it was cheaper to just put the money in an envelope and send it using registered mail |
| 23:01.51 | xnox | anywhere in EU & a few other countries you just need 21 characters which include destination country code and a simple checksum =) no other details needed |
| 23:02.00 | rohitr | vivia: lol |
| 23:02.09 | xnox | vivia, true. |
| 23:02.14 | vivia | yes i ended up having to pay an important percentage of my 10⬠in fees |
| 23:02.18 | gevaerts | vivia: what does "some time ago" mean? |
| 23:02.23 | vivia | february IIRC |
| 23:02.41 | gevaerts | weird |
| 23:02.43 | xnox | In Latvia if you want to make a transfer in EUR the money goes through Deutchebank even if the original transfer is within the same latvian bank |
| 23:02.52 | vivia | weird too |
| 23:03.19 | carldani | vivia: Was any currency exchange involved? The fees usually go up once you need currency exchange. |
| 23:03.36 | vivia | carldani: no, it was in euros :s |
| 23:04.44 | rohitr | vivia: I thought you actually used the 'envelope' method ;-) |
| 23:04.45 | carldani | vivia: Hm. And you picked "SEPA" transfer with BIC and IBAN? If you did, EU legal regulations require that the bank will charge exactly the same fees as for an in-country transfer. |
| 23:05.20 | vivia | carldani: i don't know, i just called the bank and asked how much the fees would be |
| 23:05.41 | vivia | turns out that my friend told me "it's OK, no need to give me the money now" so I didn't use the envelope method either |
| 23:06.06 | carldani | vivia: Heh. Most banks suggest not to use SEPA with BIC/IBAN because they are allowed to charge huge fees for non-SEPA transfers. |
| 23:06.08 | gevaerts | vivia: they probably quoted the fees for some nonstandard transfer in order to make more money |
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| 23:06.33 | vivia | yes, may well be |
| 23:06.55 | rohitr | on 10 euros, man that will be low even for bankers. |
| 23:07.02 | carldani | You explicitly have to ask for SEPA, and explicitly provide BIC/IBAN or they will rip you off. I know some people who paid insane fees due to bad advice from the banks. |
| 23:07.16 | vivia | carldani: i was going to use BIC/IBAN anyway, since i'd do it online |
| 23:07.24 | carldani | rohitr: Reminds me of paypal. |
| 23:08.10 | vivia | w00t. my bf from germany sent me >10⬠some time ago and it seems that neither of us paid any fees at all 0_0 |
| 23:08.16 | vivia | oops |
| 23:08.19 | vivia | <10⬠that was |
| 23:08.38 | xnox | Huh =) What's SEPA? |
| 23:08.40 | xnox | googles |
| 23:08.52 | xnox | Scottish Environment Protection Agency : Home? |
| 23:08.54 | carldani | Single Euro Payment Area |
| 23:08.55 | xnox | I guess not =) |
| 23:09.09 | xnox | yeap that was result #3 =) |
| 23:09.34 | xnox | obviously UK doesn't think to be in European ;-) |
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| 23:09.56 | carldani | Accept the Euro as your saviour! |
| 23:09.58 | xnox | pretend they are on the island =) iceland is more european than UK =) |
| 23:09.59 | carldani | :-P |
| 23:10.09 | vivia | I think UK people need a passport in order to go to other EU countries? |
| 23:10.44 | rohitr | yup, no 'shenegen' I think |
| 23:10.55 | gevaerts | vivia: yes and no. They need a valid government ID |
| 23:11.01 | rohitr | schengen* |
| 23:11.02 | gevaerts | same as everyone else |
| 23:11.28 | vivia | I heard (through the grapevine) that they can't use any valid governmend ID, just the passport |
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| 23:11.49 | gevaerts | a drivers license is not an ID :) |
| 23:11.50 | vivia | anyway, i can't use any valid government ID either |
| 23:11.59 | vivia | i can't use my identity card |
| 23:12.32 | schlangen | do we get feedback if documents are received and accepted? or just if not? |
| 23:12.32 | eduardop | bye |
| 23:12.36 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: it isnt?...it is in the US.. |
| 23:12.36 | vivia | i have one of those older identity cards and my name is only written in greek letters |
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| 23:12.40 | rohitr | gevaerts: Are you sure? I think they have passport control, with France. |
| 23:12.43 | rohitr | checks |
| 23:12.49 | xnox | yeap well the SEPA thing doesn't help outside of eurozone cause in the UK & Latvia they charge a lot for transfers in EUR instead of the national GBP and LVL repectivly |
| 23:12.50 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: well yes, but the US aren't part of the civilised world :) |
| 23:12.54 | vivia | schlangen: i got feedback 3mins after i sent the documents |
| 23:13.05 | schlangen | :-o |
| 23:13.27 | gevaerts | rohitr: the *only* ID (until recently anyway) the UK government issues that's up to continental standards is the passport |
| 23:13.41 | vivia | then again i sent the documents <10 mins after I received the email with the foreign certification form |
| 23:13.42 | xnox | To get into the UK everyone must use passport |
| 23:13.47 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: you are just jealous of our free refills in restaurants |
| 23:13.48 | carldani | xnox: Some Swiss banks don't charge anything for SEPA transfers even though the local currency is sFr. |
| 23:13.50 | xnox | it's not part of schengen |
| 23:14.00 | vivia | scorche|sh: we get free refills too~ |
| 23:14.06 | xnox | they are on the island so they check everyones passports =) |
| 23:14.06 | gevaerts | schengen has nothing to do with what sort of papers you need |
| 23:14.10 | vivia | okay, in TGIF etc |
| 23:14.25 | xnox | plus UK has huge influx from Common Welfare coutries so they kind of have to do that |
| 23:14.53 | xnox | And UK had a huge push for ID cards but with new government that whole thing might be scrapped =( |
| 23:14.59 | rohitr | gevaerts: I still think that you need a passport, and a proper visa, if you are not from the EU |
| 23:15.22 | gevaerts | rohitr: there's no general rule for these things |
| 23:15.26 | vivia | scorche|sh: what's with those TGIF-style restaurants? they somehow seem to make you able to drink 3 times as much soda as you'd drink in any other restaurant |
| 23:15.30 | xnox | rohitr, if you are US citizen you can do upto 30days travelling in most EU countries |
| 23:16.01 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: have you found proper stoverij yet in the US? |
| 23:16.05 | carldani | xnox: Once one bank in a country starts to lower the fees for SEPA transfers, they have a competitive advantage and will be used by foreigners, and that shows up in their financials at year end. |
| 23:16.07 | xnox | rohitr, e.g. UK, Latvia are deffinatly in it =) and once you get into e.g. Latvia there are no borders from then on so noone will check ;) |
| 23:16.19 | scorche|sh | vivia: massive amounts of sodium? |
| 23:16.34 | xnox | off to brew tea |
| 23:16.37 | rohitr | xnox: I am not. I am Indian. I cant travel without proper "extra verified" visas, anywhere ;-) |
| 23:16.48 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: well, i have planned on making some for myself using the recipe i got and using coleman's mustard, but havent had time |
| 23:17.24 | carldani | NaCl for the win. I don't get the low Natrium/Sodium (or whatever it's called in your local language) diets. |
| 23:17.36 | carldani | NaCl is a really nice way to raise blood pressure. |
| 23:18.04 | vivia | carldani: i think these diets are for those who have a problem with high blood pressure |
| 23:18.25 | vivia | I, on the other hand, have a low blood pressure (borderline normal according to wikipedia) but always forget to add extra salt |
| 23:18.27 | carldani | vivia: I've seen them advertised as healthy for the general population. |
| 23:19.13 | vivia | carldani: maybe a big percentage of the general population has a high blood pressure?... for all i know, my doctor recommended me to add extra salt |
| 23:19.19 | carldani | Nothing beats water labels in the US, though. "Fat free" on a water bottle. I mean, where can you get fatty water? |
| 23:19.37 | vivia | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 23:19.37 | rohitr | carldani: really? lol |
| 23:19.53 | carldani | I saw it, and I spent half an hour laughing. |
| 23:20.05 | xnox | rohitr, I'm pretty sure you can get visa to latvia easier then other EU countries. We have medical degrees for cheap in Latvian universities in English and there are always about 1000-3000 students from India on those =) |
| 23:20.07 | vivia | eek. I hate iso-8859 encodings :s (sorry) |
| 23:20.15 | gevaerts | carldani: I've seen cholesterol-free orange juice, in Europe |
| 23:21.38 | rohitr | xnox: aah, the medical degree racket. You know its more expensive to pay for a 'private' seat for medicine, here, than even the USA |
| 23:21.50 | carldani | gevaerts: Ouch. |
| 23:22.19 | gevaerts | carldani: it also explained that one litre could serve four glasses of 250ml each |
| 23:22.38 | carldani | gevaerts: Hey, many people suck at basic math. |
| 23:22.41 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: sounds fascinating! |
| 23:23.03 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: I suspect it was packaged by a US-owned company ;) |
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| 23:23.25 | carols | have a nice night everyone |
| 23:23.30 | carols | trundles off to her weekend |
| 23:23.32 | rohitr | night carols |
| 23:23.43 | carldani | I had a classmate who caculated 0.1*1 with a calculator. When I made fun of said classmate, the answer was "I already calculated it by hand, but wanted to verify" |
| 23:23.44 | carols | night rohitr |
| 23:23.48 | carldani | good night carols |
| 23:23.55 | carols | good night carldani |
| 23:23.55 | xnox | I've seen in France & UK "Chocolate bar with hazelnuts. May contain traces of nuts, manufactured in a nut-free environment but cannot guarantee absence of nut traces" |
| 23:23.58 | carldani | I'm off as well. |
| 23:24.00 | vivia | gevaerts: http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/funny_instructions.htm |
| 23:24.02 | carldani | good night everyone! |
| 23:24.14 | vivia | gn carldani :) |
| 23:24.57 | rohitr | night carldani |
| 23:25.09 | xnox | night carlols & carldani |
| 23:25.15 | vivia | carlols???? |
| 23:25.17 | vivia | lucky she's gone |
| 23:25.31 | rohitr | car+lol |
| 23:25.33 | rohitr | lol car |
| 23:25.47 | rohitr | gosh I must sleep too ;-), that was bad |
| 23:25.48 | vivia | is that a variation of a lolcat? |
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| 23:26.21 | gevaerts | vivia: nice :) |
| 23:26.30 | rohitr | vivia: yes. |
| 23:27.54 | rohitr | is off to sleep. |
| 23:27.58 | rohitr | night vivia |
| 23:28.10 | vivia | gn rohitr |
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| 23:28.23 | rohitr | night xnox |
| 23:29.10 | xnox | night all as well =) |
| 23:29.57 | vivia | gn xnox :) |
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| 23:42.37 | robbyoconnor | so many RTFM questions on the list |
| 23:44.03 | steev | maybe the manual is too fruity? |
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| 23:45.37 | robbyoconnor | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.39 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 23:45.40 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 23:50.02 | xnox | RTFM = Read The Manual (F is silent =)) |
| 23:53.10 | sanjoyd | I thought it was Read The Fine Manual. :/ |
| 23:57.22 | robbyoconnor | I prefer the expletive version |
