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| 00:19.38 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 00:19.44 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 01:05.35 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
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| 01:33.27 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 04:03.47 | __gaurav | !numapps |
| 04:03.48 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 04:04.15 | __gaurav | is google disclosed the numple of applicants? |
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| 04:04.25 | __gaurav | do anyone have any idea? |
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| 04:06.21 | parrot|Coke | presumably slightly less than 5539? |
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| 04:07.58 | skbohra | parrot|Coke: half of the number of proposals I think |
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| 04:09.57 | ojwb | average proposals per applicant was slightly under 2 last year |
| 04:10.31 | ojwb | not seen the figure for this year - I suspect the 26th announcement will say |
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| 05:40.09 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 06:31.02 | Crix- | !countdown |
| 06:31.02 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 06:32.02 | robbyoconnor | Crix-: jesus |
| 06:32.03 | robbyoconnor | relax |
| 06:32.08 | robbyoconnor | surely you have hw |
| 06:32.10 | robbyoconnor | focus on that! |
| 06:37.38 | kblin | et tu, Brute |
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| 06:47.08 | ponal | Ani idea on the total no of selections google is making for GSoC 2010 ? |
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| 06:49.14 | ojwb | 1000 students (it's in the FAQ) |
| 06:50.23 | kblin | give or take a few |
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| 06:58.36 | ponal | Anyone here who was selected in any of the prev GSoCs |
| 06:58.36 | ponal | ? |
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| 07:35.50 | enthus | YuviPanda: hi.. |
| 07:36.57 | YuviPanda | enthus: hi! |
| 07:37.34 | enthus | YuviPanda: How far your soc has come? |
| 07:38.05 | YuviPanda | enthus: lookin good, I've started implementing parts of my proposal |
| 07:38.20 | YuviPanda | enthus: exams start in a couple of days so starting to actually touch my books now :) |
| 07:39.20 | enthus | YuviPanda: good...happy to hear that |
| 07:39.35 | YuviPanda | enthus: you? |
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| 07:40.15 | enthus | YuviPanda: now concentrating on academics..lab exams are running on! |
| 07:40.35 | enthus | YuviPanda: why are you not in iitm-linux channel?? |
| 07:40.58 | YuviPanda | enthus: disconnected from freenode, haven't reconnected yet :P |
| 07:42.02 | zhutao | hey, sorry to interrupt, I dont get the reply till now. does that mean I am rejected? |
| 07:42.25 | thiago_home | !next |
| 07:42.25 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 07:42.32 | thiago_home | zhutao: ^^^ |
| 07:42.48 | thiago_home | zhutao: the accepted ones will be published on April 26, so no one knows if they've been accepted |
| 07:43.23 | zhutao | oh, thanks. I thought it's Apr. 21 |
| 07:43.41 | sanjoyd | can't wait for the 26th. |
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| 07:44.14 | YuviPanda | too |
| 07:44.29 | paulproteus | too! |
| 07:45.16 | skbohra | can |
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| 07:46.25 | enthus | have to |
| 07:46.32 | enthus | wait |
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| 07:50.38 | skbohra | service sanjoyd stop |
| 07:50.51 | sanjoyd | skbohra, huh? |
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| 07:51.21 | skbohra | sudo -c "service sanjoyd stop" |
| 07:51.23 | skbohra | :D |
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| 07:53.33 | sanjoyd | sudo -c does not make sense. You either use sudo or (if you have the root password) use su -c. |
| 07:53.36 | sanjoyd | :) |
| 07:53.44 | skbohra | ah yea |
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| 07:54.53 | skbohra | but i dont seem to stop this daemon :/ |
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| 08:00.10 | kblin | it's probably a zombied |
| 08:00.18 | kblin | process |
| 08:00.26 | kblin | you need to waitpid() it to reap it |
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| 08:07.15 | thebolt | Morning kblin, how do you do? |
| 08:11.00 | kblin | thebolt: fine, just found my swedish book again, so I'm leafing through that instead of working on my talk :) |
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| 08:12.20 | thebolt | kblin: hehe okay :) |
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| 08:15.34 | kblin | it's funny, because listening to the cd I find that sometimes, it's very easy to understand what people are talking about, and suddenly the conversation turns into total gibberish :) |
| 08:15.40 | kblin | and the other way around |
| 08:16.11 | thebolt | hehe |
| 08:19.47 | kblin | also, I just realized that for the "where are you from" "I'm from xyz" lection, the "german" is coming from tübingen, just where I'm living |
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| 08:24.49 | rafael | hey have all the duplicates been resolved? |
| 08:25.42 | Ivanovic | rafael: if you are admin/mentor: just check if your org has any dupes (should not be the case) |
| 08:25.54 | Ivanovic | if you are a student: wait till monday when the results will be announced |
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| 08:28.10 | kblin | and of course they're all working for volvo :) |
| 08:29.38 | thebolt | kblin: haha :) |
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| 08:39.02 | gvallarelli | Hi |
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| 08:42.31 | ihalip | hey |
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| 08:46.45 | iamsumesh | Hi Everyone |
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| 08:48.53 | thebolt | kblin: sorry if i disappoint.. but every swede does not work for volov ;) |
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| 09:01.13 | kblin | thebolt: of course not, I don't understand why anybody'd think that |
| 09:01.34 | kblin | thebolt: there's also people working for ericsson of course |
| 09:02.16 | thebolt | kblin: yea, and SAAB ;) |
| 09:03.44 | ojwb | and some are chefs! |
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| 09:03.59 | thiago_home | and IKEA |
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| 09:05.41 | kblin | thiago_home: right, but those probably all work abroad |
| 09:05.57 | kblin | cutting down ivar trees in polish forests... |
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| 09:08.54 | rahaeli | i feel so sorry for all these students who have to wait until monday! |
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| 09:09.13 | ihalip | rahaeli: thanks :( |
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| 09:10.15 | rahaeli | ihalip: where did you apply? |
| 09:10.21 | ihalip | kde |
| 09:10.54 | ihalip | i wanted to apply for Qt too, but they weren't accepted |
| 09:11.05 | rahaeli | *nod* |
| 09:11.34 | ihalip | what org are you with? i assume you're not a student :) |
| 09:11.36 | rahaeli | well, i wish you luck! |
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| 09:11.51 | rahaeli | hee, no :) i'm an admin with Dreamwidth (www.dreamwidth.org) |
| 09:12.46 | thebolt | patience is a virtue :P |
| 09:13.01 | rahaeli | ah, yes, but the need for patience sucks :) |
| 09:13.27 | rahaeli | i'm totally bursting with the desire to tell our students |
| 09:13.50 | ihalip | you can tell me ;) |
| 09:13.56 | ihalip | take a load off |
| 09:14.05 | rahaeli | especially because we had *so* many qualified applicants this year, omg |
| 09:15.26 | arma | rahaeli: that last part is actually why i'm kind of hesitant.. |
| 09:15.34 | arma | right now we exist in a state of lots of excited students |
| 09:15.48 | arma | soon i fear we'll collapse into the state with k excited students and n-k sad students |
| 09:16.09 | rahaeli | yeah. i know that we plan on contacting all of the students we couldn't accept directly |
| 09:16.20 | rahaeli | after google makes the decisions public, i mean |
| 09:16.43 | arma | part of why we didn't accept very many is because we don't have the mentoring capacity. we've learned our lesson repeatedly the past few years. |
| 09:17.01 | arma | so i can mail the others, sure, but we won't be very good at answering their replies :} |
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| 09:17.32 | rahaeli | hee! well, i'm hoping that a personalized email will help people have a positive experience even if we can't take them |
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| 09:18.23 | rahaeli | like, blah blah really enjoyed reading your app and interacting with you over the last few weeks blah balh really sorry that we couldn't accept all of the highly qualified students who applied with us blah blah love to have you come and hack with us in the fall etc |
| 09:18.43 | rahaeli | that way once the immediate press of the summer mentoring demand is over we might be able to lure some more in |
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| 09:18.59 | rahaeli | of course, we have a really *really* well developed mentoring program to begin with, outside of the GSOC framework |
| 09:19.52 | arma | on the plus side, we've maintained our track record of at least one students from each year joining the core team. this past year we even had one of the students we were too stupid to accept stick around and join the core team. |
| 09:20.09 | rahaeli | oh, that's awesome. |
| 09:20.11 | rahaeli | what project? |
| 09:20.13 | arma | so we can't be going all wrong :) |
| 09:20.14 | arma | tor |
| 09:20.22 | rahaeli | nice |
| 09:20.26 | arma | and you? |
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| 09:20.37 | rahaeli | dreamwidth |
| 09:21.05 | arma | goes to learn what a dreamwidth is |
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| 09:21.07 | rahaeli | code fork of livejournal |
| 09:21.14 | rahaeli | (www.dreamwidth.org) |
| 09:21.19 | ojwb | .- |
| 09:21.42 | ojwb | disables morse mode |
| 09:22.02 | rahaeli | my partner (xb95) and i were both former livejournal employees, and we decided that we were going to take the LJ code and try to realize some of the lost possibilities from over the years :) |
| 09:23.25 | arma | sure are a lot of lost possibilities, i suspect |
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| 09:23.58 | rahaeli | yeah, exactly. |
| 09:24.23 | rahaeli | if anyone's interested in creating an account on dreamwidth itself, by the way, here's an invite link: https://www.dreamwidth.org/create?code=summerofcode10 |
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| 09:24.32 | rahaeli | (we're using invites to control growth and prevent spam) |
| 09:25.42 | rahaeli | it's been a really successful program so far. we've had a *lot* of our general users love the project so much that they want to come and help improve it, so our contributor base winds up skewing something like 50% completely new to open source |
| 09:26.22 | arma | fun. this your first year in gsoc? |
| 09:26.26 | rahaeli | so like i said, lots of mentoring experience :) |
| 09:26.51 | rahaeli | yup! we've only been around for about two years now, and last year we were still focused on getting to open beta around org application time |
| 09:27.28 | arma | you do kind of have to catch the attention of an actual google human being before they'll add you as a group. glad somebody noticed you. |
| 09:28.01 | rahaeli | yes! we were really lucky -- we were giving a talk on mentoring at linux.conf.au that leslie hawthorne attended |
| 09:28.23 | arma | i hope she's having fun in the jungles of costa rica |
| 09:28.29 | rahaeli | and leslie's been a big fan ever since. we're making a lot of news because of the demographics of our contributor base -- like 50% new to programming or to FLOSS, and something like 75% women |
| 09:29.25 | arma | neat. we've finally gotten our male to female ratio back to something mildly respectable.. for a while it was near 1:0 :( |
| 09:29.42 | rahaeli | good on you for working on it, though! |
| 09:30.06 | rahaeli | i've been hoping that we can introduce a lot of our newcomers to the wider world of FLOSS, not just dreamwidth |
| 09:30.15 | rahaeli | we can be the gateway drug! |
| 09:30.32 | arma | step one, stop using an ugly word like floss :) |
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| 09:31.10 | rahaeli | snickers. i recuse myself from argument every time it comes up. *g* |
| 09:31.52 | arma | let me tell you about the wonders of floss! and pocket lint! |
| 09:32.01 | arma | (i'm not a crazy!) |
| 09:32.04 | rahaeli | hee hee heeeee |
| 09:32.32 | ojwb | and talking about open sores is better? |
| 09:32.47 | arma | slightly. alas. |
| 09:33.21 | arma | that rms 'free the software' ogg is the new rick roll |
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| 10:08.11 | pyav | can anyone tell what were being discussed on 21st |
| 10:09.25 | skbohra | !logs |
| 10:09.25 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 10:09.28 | skbohra | pyav: ^ |
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| 10:10.45 | pyav | it is not opening |
| 10:11.11 | skbohra | pyav: are you a student ? |
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| 10:11.33 | pyav | yes.do i need to see this |
| 10:11.46 | skbohra | just wait for 26th then, there's nothing important you need to know about it |
| 10:11.52 | rahaeli | pyav: those are logs from the #gsoc channel |
| 10:12.00 | pyav | ok thank you |
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| 10:12.21 | rahaeli | they aren't important :) at this point, we're all waiting until the 26th, which is when google will announce who was accepted for the summer |
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| 10:15.20 | skbohra | rahaeli: one of my friend has applied for dreamwidth :) |
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| 10:15.34 | rahaeli | oh awesome! |
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| 11:05.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 11:58.59 | bawr | arma: Wait, what? Did you see actual instances of trolling with it? |
| 11:59.16 | arma | ? |
| 12:00.09 | bawr | "that rms 'free the software' ogg is the new rick roll" |
| 12:00.49 | arma | yes? |
| 12:01.54 | arma | welcome to our modern world. reap what you sow, etc etc |
| 12:02.23 | bawr | Woah. |
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| 12:02.46 | arma | surely there's an equivalent of rule #whatever-that-is when it comes to trolling? |
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| 12:04.27 | rahaeli | arma: rule 34. |
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| 12:05.06 | arma | quite so. |
| 12:09.09 | bawr | I yearn for a simpler world... where people were just trolling with religion, 0.(9) != 1, and fine points about circumcision. |
| 12:10.06 | ojwb | better a fine point than a blunt one... |
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| 12:10.55 | bawr | grins |
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| 14:11.40 | shreyas | has aany of ur proposals gone to the ineligible/withdrawn ststus |
| 14:11.43 | shreyas | status* |
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| 14:16.24 | shreyas | ?? |
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| 14:26.56 | josip | shreyas: mine not, but it happend to a friend of mine |
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| 14:31.23 | ruturaj | if the proposal is not marked ineligible doest that mean we are probably assigned a mentor? |
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| 14:32.43 | smtms | no |
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| 14:41.26 | skbohra | looks around and finds many tensed nicks :) |
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| 14:43.51 | pygi | ruturaj, that means you're out |
| 14:45.22 | emmanuelp | wtf is facebook down? that's a first |
| 14:45.36 | emmanuelp | nvm loads now |
| 14:45.46 | skbohra | down here |
| 14:45.48 | skbohra | still |
| 14:45.49 | skbohra | :-o |
| 14:46.09 | skbohra | omg |
| 14:46.13 | emmanuelp | yah down again wtf |
| 14:46.14 | johang | facebook has been reset |
| 14:46.18 | johang | or at least the connection has |
| 14:46.34 | smtms | that's what happens when you allow GSoC students in |
| 14:47.03 | skbohra | haha |
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| 14:47.22 | emmanuelp | lol |
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| 14:49.18 | adimania | 2 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 14 seconds to go \o/ |
| 14:50.03 | ngupta | reads this as 2 year, several hours, etc... :) |
| 14:50.20 | nmudgal | adimania: you looked like a bot ! |
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| 14:50.38 | adimania | may be I am a bot! |
| 14:50.55 | adimania | an advanced version from a galaxy far far away :D |
| 14:51.15 | nmudgal | adimania: but a little buggy :) |
| 14:51.55 | adimania | ah.. you see, I do not get optimum fuel here. |
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| 14:52.12 | ngupta | thinks bugs are simply incorrect perception of correctness |
| 14:53.03 | nmudgal | optimum fuel :) then try out the gases which are in the space around you ! |
| 14:53.48 | adimania | they don't work. I need processed fuel from my planet! |
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| 14:54.09 | adimania | .......[to take over the earth]..... |
| 14:54.14 | jimbozhang | !countdown |
| 14:54.14 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 14:54.56 | adimania | does not know how to make a devil emoticon :( |
| 14:55.06 | nmudgal | If it is so then come back ............. |
| 14:55.19 | akssps011 | adimania: why don't u try and get some fuel frm sun :) |
| 14:55.48 | adimania | akssps011: Not enough energy, you see. |
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| 14:59.05 | akssps011 | hmmmm....then I guess u must send some radio signal to your planet so that they make bring u some fuel in a just a few light years :) |
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| 15:00.23 | adimania | Light year is a unit of distance :) but yes radio will help |
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| 15:01.11 | thiago_home | they could bring some fuel to just a few light years away |
| 15:01.19 | thiago_home | but that would put it out of reach |
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| 15:04.02 | adimania | let me check if my spaceship has some fuel in its reserve tank. |
| 15:05.37 | adimania | lost the keys of his secret chamber :( |
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| 15:10.43 | _silentAssassin_ | !help |
| 15:10.44 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 15:10.53 | _silentAssassin_ | !timeline |
| 15:10.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 15:18.36 | shreyas | if its not ineligible does it mean we r thro |
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| 15:18.56 | skbohra | no |
| 15:19.30 | yonij | skbohra: hey ..what happend to #gsoc-art dude ? |
| 15:20.20 | yonij | is that project abandoned ? |
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| 15:25.41 | shreyas | skbohra: so it just means your are not out |
| 15:25.53 | skbohra | no |
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| 16:37.04 | bawr | Arrrrgh. Two days. I'm getting restless again. |
| 16:37.14 | bawr | Mostly because I've ran out of stuff to do. |
| 16:37.30 | smtms | bawr, free software ran out of bugs? |
| 16:38.23 | bawr | smtms: No, but I'm not touching any more code for the weeend. I've just finished a biggish side-project of mine. |
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| 16:39.14 | bawr | More importantly, I'm lazy. ;) |
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| 16:51.31 | bawr | !countdown |
| 16:51.32 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 16:51.52 | thebolt | bawr: that is a reason as good as any for many things |
| 16:51.59 | thebolt | bawr: at least it is an explanation for many things ;) |
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| 16:56.13 | bawr | No argument there. :D |
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| 17:00.31 | vjsamuel | !next |
| 17:00.32 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 17:25.50 | enthus_ | !logs |
| 17:25.50 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 17:53.14 | vabs | hey all are wating of 26 april |
| 17:53.58 | enthus_ | obviously :D |
| 17:54.20 | enthus_ | vabs: How many applications you made? |
| 17:54.41 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 17:55.32 | vabs | enthus_: if google invite me then i will surelly give it for pidgin |
| 17:56.02 | enthus_ | vabs: only pidgin ?? |
| 17:57.25 | vabs | enthus_: i jst making application for pidgin |
| 17:57.25 | vabs | enthus_: wats about u ? |
| 17:57.25 | enthus_ | i applied for a game in kde |
| 17:57.46 | vabs | ok |
| 17:57.47 | skbohra | vabs: don't use this sms language please, its hard to decode |
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| 17:58.18 | vabs | skbohra: sorry |
| 17:58.19 | enthus_ | only one |
| 17:58.36 | enthus_ | skbohra: what about you? |
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| 17:58.47 | skbohra | enthus_: what ? |
| 17:59.10 | enthus_ | skbohra: Have you applied for any projects? |
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| 18:00.27 | vabs | enthus_: hello skbohra already selected he is active member of sahana group |
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| 18:00.54 | skbohra | vabs: thanks |
| 18:01.05 | enthus_ | vabs: already selected! How to know that? |
| 18:01.40 | vabs | enthus_: last year we both are from linux user group bikaner |
| 18:01.48 | vabs | enthus_: lugb |
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| 18:02.31 | enthus_ | vabs: I know Abhinav from your college ;-) |
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| 18:02.44 | skbohra | such a small world it is |
| 18:03.47 | vabs | enthus_: yes abhinav is also selected last year |
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| 18:04.26 | enthus_ | yeah,,, |
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| 18:11.53 | enthus_ | Abhinav1: lol |
| 18:12.11 | Abhinav1 | enthus_: hello |
| 18:12.43 | enthus_ | Abhinav1: any good news? |
| 18:13.29 | vabs | enthus_: you can get many good news just join lugb |
| 18:13.44 | Abhinav1 | waiting for 26 :), hope I got one :) |
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| 18:14.00 | darkip | aren't we all :P |
| 18:14.22 | enthus_ | Abhinav1: good luck.. |
| 18:14.25 | vabs | Abhinav1: u surelly get |
| 18:14.57 | Abhinav1 | enthus_, vabs thanks :P same to you :) |
| 18:14.59 | enthus_ | vabs: yeah...He is capable of getting it |
| 18:15.36 | vabs | enthus_: form where you are |
| 18:15.51 | enthus_ | vabs: Andhra Pradesh |
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| 18:26.30 | nopper | sorry i've a problem about the student eligibility. there's someone here that could help me? |
| 18:26.55 | enthus_ | nopper: shoot your question |
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| 18:27.24 | nopper | i graduate before 26th of april |
| 18:27.32 | nopper | i'm eligible? |
| 18:27.43 | nopper | *am i |
| 18:27.44 | skbohra | read the faq |
| 18:27.46 | skbohra | !faq |
| 18:27.46 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 18:28.10 | enthus_ | nopper: ^^ |
| 18:28.24 | nopper | i've already read it |
| 18:28.50 | leonth1 | nopper: I guess if you can prove that you are still a student bythe stipulated date it is still ok |
| 18:29.04 | nopper | ok |
| 18:29.13 | leonth1 | nopper: depends on whether your university is kind enough for that :P |
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| 18:29.53 | leonth1 | nopper: they ought to understand if you explain the situations |
| 18:30.03 | thebolt | hi spearce |
| 18:31.16 | nopper | mhh not pretty sure. could I mail someone to be sure? any tips? |
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| 18:32.39 | dhaun | !support |
| 18:32.39 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 18:33.24 | nopper | thanks |
| 18:33.40 | thebolt | sends spearce some é¿éå±±è¶ |
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| 18:39.25 | pato | Hi, are people with no backgrnd in Open source devel are seleceted for GSoC ? |
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| 18:40.05 | firc | depends on the project, mentor, organization and several other things. |
| 18:40.15 | dhaun | pato: sure - the program is intended to introduce people to open source development after all ... |
| 18:40.43 | pato | But looking at the projects, they do not look like if they are for newcomers |
| 18:41.00 | dhaun | that's not the same thing :) |
| 18:41.26 | dhaun | some programming experience is certainly required |
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| 18:42.42 | pato | yeah, but a normal student doesn't have much exposure other than C, C++ and Java, and some web tech |
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| 18:43.19 | firc | there are projects which require knowledge in those languages, also define a "normal student". |
| 18:43.19 | pato | how can one expect a newbie to have prior knowledge of Ruby, Qt, etc |
| 18:43.25 | skbohra | that is more than enough |
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| 18:43.58 | firc | they don't. You should apply for those projects which utilize a language you have some idea about |
| 18:44.47 | muujtabaalboori | some of these things is really easy to learn if someone truly have a good programing computer background |
| 18:44.51 | firc | There's an option to filter projects based on tags.. and mostly all organizations use tags. |
| 18:45.23 | firc | So you can filter all organizations which require knowledge in say, C/C++ or java |
| 18:45.36 | pato | but projects requiring these languages are very highly rated ones related to compilers( for C) etc....I guess only a few have experience of working on these sort of projects |
| 18:46.07 | pato | compiler was an example |
| 18:46.44 | firc | pato: I guess you're just overwhelmed with the requirements. lots of students are initially. Spend some time around with the projects, you'll be comfortable soon. |
| 18:47.47 | sanjoyd | pato, most of the big words you see are, well, just big words. If you have a good understanding of, say, C++, Qt should not be a problem for you. |
| 18:47.52 | firc | Its not as tough as it seems. There are various projects with medium/low difficulty level. Try those. |
| 18:48.00 | muujtabaalboori | the program intended for any kind student , so many graduate study like phd and master will have experience |
| 18:48.10 | sanjoyd | pato, assuming you've donated enough time, of course. |
| 18:48.17 | Dark_Shikari | You're not expected to "know" about compilers to work on a compiler project |
| 18:48.19 | Dark_Shikari | you're expected to learn. |
| 18:48.39 | thebolt | pato: it totally depends on the project.. we had a project a few years ago where basic c++ was enough, but it would have helped with a PhD in maths or so ;) but there are projects of all levels of technical difficulty |
| 18:49.26 | sanjoyd | In fact, in preparing for this GSoC, I learned a *lot* about JITs and compilers. All in a month. |
| 18:49.45 | thebolt | (six dimensional projective differential geometry can be a bitch :P) |
| 18:50.31 | josip | thebolt: and not very practically useful |
| 18:50.32 | sanjoyd | And, IMO, that is what GSoC is supposed to do - bootstrap your knowledge in a certain field. Now, even if I don't manage to get through, I will be at a better position than before simply because I've learnt a lot. |
| 18:50.39 | thebolt | josip: well, in this case it was |
| 18:50.53 | josip | six dimensional geometry? |
| 18:50.54 | pato | yeah..applied for a project...wrote a proposal but had no previous experience of the tech being used for development. So just wanted to ask( not for me alone), does these kind of proposal stand a chance ? |
| 18:51.17 | thebolt | josip: the project was based on doing cals in a 6-dim projective space to say things about an embedded 5-d space.. that said something about 3d space ;) |
| 18:51.22 | muujtabaalboori | It is about the ability to learn not about how much you know |
| 18:51.42 | thebolt | josip: 3d from-area to-area visibility calculations using P5 (Plucker space) stuff.. |
| 18:51.46 | yonij | how do the org measure that ? |
| 18:51.47 | Ophiuchi | the 'medium to hard' projects of my org are about the right level for a master's thesis practical part, and in fact that is exactly how they have been done (do the project, tak on 30 pages of theory, voila, thesis) |
| 18:51.48 | josip | I have no idea |
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| 18:51.52 | josip | :D |
| 18:51.53 | Ophiuchi | tack |
| 18:52.05 | thebolt | basically, does any point of area A see any point of area B |
| 18:52.07 | thiago_home | multidimensional math isn't hard |
| 18:52.13 | thiago_home | imagining it in concrete, that is |
| 18:52.50 | pato | my question have just lost in this super mathematical discussion |
| 18:53.19 | thebolt | pato: sorry, but if you know some c, c++ or java there are tons of projects within reach |
| 18:53.24 | thiago_home | pato: "yes" :-) |
| 18:54.31 | pato | ohk..hopefully..if everything is decided why not google announce the list ... |
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| 18:54.49 | Ademan | man... I'm dreading monday... I don't think any mentor picked up my project... even though I had one already with the previous project, I got recategorized... |
| 18:54.56 | Ophiuchi | pato: the Open Source projects themselves don't vanish into thin air between GSoCs :) hang around a project that does stuff that interests you, and you'll have picked up enough until next year to do a project for it |
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| 18:55.44 | rahaeli | pato: google is doing the last minute matching, duplicate resolving, slot juggling, etc |
| 18:56.04 | rahaeli | remember, even if you don't get accepted to the org or orgs you applied to, you can still contribute to them |
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| 18:56.19 | rahaeli | and the more you hang out with that project and learn from their available resources, the more qualified you'll be when next year rolls around |
| 18:56.32 | rahaeli | and if you've been working with them already, you'll have a better chance of getting accepted! |
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| 18:57.04 | rahaeli | several of our applications came from people who'd already been contributing to our project, for instance, and we tend to rank them more highly |
| 18:57.35 | pato | that means, students who are already their have much much better chance( I guess those wrking for an year). so how come it is for a newcomer ? |
| 18:57.50 | rahaeli | it all depends on the org! |
| 18:57.51 | Ophiuchi | someone who's been hanging arund the project a while is a lot less likely to take the startup money and then vanish without a trace |
| 18:58.06 | rahaeli | and the project, too. |
| 18:58.33 | rahaeli | for instance, we have one project on our list that attracted a lot of people who were entirely new to both the project and to our language |
| 18:58.50 | rahaeli | because it was a very good beginner project. |
| 18:59.23 | rahaeli | so, if you don't get accepted this year, find a project that's doing something you really are interested in, and start hanging out with them. |
| 18:59.33 | rahaeli | lurk in their irc channel, read their changelog. watch their bug tracker. etc. |
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| 19:00.06 | Ophiuchi | bitch about bugs, make good bug reports, learn how to fix stuff |
| 19:00.13 | rahaeli | that way you'll be more familiar with how open source development works, so next year you can write a stronger proposal |
| 19:00.44 | pato | ohk..but I feel the beginner projects are selected only if the orgs gets more slots than expected.. |
| 19:00.50 | rahaeli | remember, organizations aren't just judging you on your technical skills. they judge on how well you'll fit into their project. |
| 19:01.21 | rahaeli | if you go into the application phase expecting the project to be prejudiced against newcomers, you aren't going to be giving them the best impression of you. |
| 19:01.21 | pato | OK, then what exactly a good proposal should have..I mean what level of technical details ? |
| 19:01.50 | rahaeli | you'll also be missing out on the chance to learn. every student who's accepted had to start *somewhere*. |
| 19:02.04 | rahaeli | as for what a good proposal should have, that all depends on the org. |
| 19:02.27 | Ophiuchi | pato: beginner projects don't get necessarily rated down. Projects that don't look as if they'll complete successfully get rated down |
| 19:02.57 | pato | I mean should it have the details of the algorithm to be used ? |
| 19:03.04 | rahaeli | for instance, our org asked some specific questions about our project that were designed to see whether or not people understand what we're trying to do, because we rate passion for the project very highly. we can teach the technical skill; we can't teach the passion. |
| 19:03.30 | Ophiuchi | pato: at least with my org, a student who applies slightly below their capability has a better chance than one who applies for too much of a stretch |
| 19:03.38 | rahaeli | an org that's working on complex technical things might rate technical experience more highly, and be looking for osmeone who's experienced in a certain part of software design, or architecture, or coding language. |
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| 19:05.02 | pato | okey....thanks...that means all is well and everyone stand an equal chance :) |
| 19:05.24 | rahaeli | It all balances out! It all depends on the org. |
| 19:05.55 | rahaeli | Some orgs are looking for really complex tech experience. Some just want to see a real willingness to learn and dedication to getting things done. |
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| 19:06.53 | Dark_Shikari | dunno, I don't find that very true. we work on all sorts of very complex technical things and I'm biased towards students who don't have much experience |
| 19:06.55 | fLiDe | !info |
| 19:06.55 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids.info). |
| 19:07.05 | fLiDe | !next |
| 19:07.06 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 19:07.42 | rahaeli | dark_shika: see, we're the exact opposite. like half of our contributors have never programmed/never programmed perl before. |
| 19:07.59 | rahaeli | (balanced out by the other half who have tons of experience and are willing to mentor and coach) |
| 19:08.16 | thebolt | rahaeli: in my book, not having touched perl makes thme better programmers ;-) |
| 19:08.26 | rahaeli | thbpt |
| 19:08.31 | Dark_Shikari | of course, I am biased towards people who have experience in _programming_ =p |
| 19:08.54 | rahaeli | i dunno, there'sa certain value to "we can teach you exactly the way we want you to learn" |
| 19:09.08 | rahaeli | i mean, for a major project like something with GSoC we wouldn't take someone who'd never programmed at all before |
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| 19:09.19 | pato | Dark_Shikhari,rahaeli: may I ask which org are you from ? |
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| 19:09.51 | rahaeli | but we generally wouldn't have a problem with, like, "I know php and ruby but no perl, am i gonna be okay?" |
| 19:10.04 | rahaeli | pato: dreamwidth studios (www.dreamwidth.org). we're a social media site. |
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| 19:11.46 | pato | ok... :)...look for me nxt year :) |
| 19:12.03 | rahaeli | :) |
| 19:12.20 | Ophiuchi | pato: consider looking there now :) |
| 19:12.21 | rahaeli | come join us in the fall! we'll be very busy this summer, but we mentor year-round, not just throughout gsoc |
| 19:12.44 | Ophiuchi | rahaeli: Hi! I'm a user of yours (not a very active one though) |
| 19:13.04 | rahaeli | ophiuchi: hi! and that's ok, we love all our users even if they only post every six months ;) |
| 19:13.04 | pato | How can I join ? |
| 19:13.51 | rahaeli | pato: https://www.dreamwidth.org/create?code=summerofcode10 will let you create an account on the website, so you can see what i's like and see if it's a project you might want to work on |
| 19:14.17 | rahaeli | then, http://www.dreamwidth.org/site/opensource has information on contributing. |
| 19:14.37 | rahaeli | (the wiki link in particular) |
| 19:14.58 | dberkholz | enthusiasm does count for a lot, as long as you're willing to wait for people to learn enough to really get going |
| 19:14.59 | rahaeli | because we're a web-based app, we offer all of our developers who need it space on a development machine so they can have their own sandbox to hack in |
| 19:15.10 | rahaeli | so they don't have to install the code on their own (which can be a pain) |
| 19:15.58 | rahaeli | so if you like the service and want to contribute, and find a bug that you want to work on, the wiki has more information about how to get started in development :) |
| 19:16.16 | jkwood | That's the nice thing about open source software, is we're always looking for contributors. |
| 19:17.12 | rahaeli | yes. i don't think you'll ever find a project saying "nope, sorry, we have enough people" |
| 19:17.37 | rahaeli | so if there's an open source product you use a lot and really like, it's always worth checking out what kind of help they need. |
| 19:18.39 | rahaeli | And if you specialize in a particular area, like usability design or internationalization or accessibility or whatever, it's worth going to the project and saying, hey, I really love doing this kind of thing, can you point me at your project team for this? |
| 19:19.37 | pato | :)..thanks...can I select among those that were meant for GSoC students ? |
| 19:20.30 | jkwood | Depends on the org. We've got projects that won't be accepted that we'd still like to get done, so we'd be happy to see them worked on. |
| 19:20.40 | rahaeli | i don't see why not! some of them might not have the resources to really mentor new contributors during the summer while they're concentrating on GSoC, but if you just want to do little things to start with you should be fine. |
| 19:20.49 | rahaeli | Some orgs might have more mentor capacity than they got GSoC slots. |
| 19:21.01 | yonij | rahaeli: wow , that was really really useful piece of information for us , newcomers ,thanx a lot |
| 19:21.39 | dberkholz | now it just needs to get written down somewhere |
| 19:21.58 | rahaeli | yonij: you're welcome! |
| 19:22.25 | rahaeli | the key thing to remember is that all of these projects are generally looking to et stuff done. |
| 19:22.33 | rahaeli | if you can get stuff done, they will love to have you :) |
| 19:22.34 | dberkholz | they should turn opensource.org into a "get involved in open source" site instead of just the OSI. |
| 19:23.23 | Ori_B | is in the Apple store, playing with a macbook... potentially considering it for my next laptop. |
| 19:23.37 | Ori_B | I find it amusing that it has svn by default, but no 'cc' |
| 19:24.36 | rahaeli | i keep thinking of pulling together all those "how to get involved in open source" type things into a single howto |
| 19:24.57 | rahaeli | in my copious free time :/ |
| 19:25.16 | thebolt | :) |
| 19:26.49 | pato | :) |
| 19:27.29 | thiago_home | Ori_B: it's on the XCode CD/DVD |
| 19:27.51 | Ori_B | thiago_home: yeah, I guessed it would be; I was just amused that 'svn' seems to be there by default. |
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| 19:28.10 | Ori_B | it seems like a rather odd decision to include it without a compiler. |
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| 19:28.30 | smtms | Ori_B, you can only use version control for program source code? |
| 19:28.55 | thiago_home | there's source code that doesn't need cc either |
| 19:29.15 | dberkholz | python's on there too, that's all ya need |
| 19:29.25 | Ori_B | smtms: no, but if you're not a developer, you're probably not going to be using svn |
| 19:29.39 | Ori_B | I just would have expected it to live with the other dev tools |
| 19:30.08 | thebolt | Ori_B: which model are you looking at? |
| 19:30.15 | Ori_B | 13" pro |
| 19:30.18 | bawr | Eww, SVN. |
| 19:30.46 | bawr | That's all I have to say about that, and I'm not even trolling. ;P |
| 19:30.55 | thebolt | bawr: agreed, but somtimes it is the least bad ;) |
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| 19:31.33 | Ori_B | is just looking for a new laptop in general at the moment |
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| 19:31.49 | Ori_B | the Apple hardware appeals to me, although I like me my tilin' wms |
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| 19:31.55 | thebolt | Ori_B: ok.. been looking a bit at getting one of the new 15" Pros (one with i7 720QM) |
| 19:32.09 | thebolt | but don't think I can afford the extra premium it costs to get an apple even if i would like to |
| 19:32.17 | thebolt | (so will probably go for a dell with similar spec) |
| 19:32.29 | Ori_B | yeah; the thing is that the 13" pro is actually affordable. |
| 19:32.42 | Ori_B | 1250 CDN base witha student discount... |
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| 19:32.48 | Ori_B | anything above that is out of my price range. |
| 19:32.56 | thebolt | well, i need a new laptop to act as my workstation for the next couple of years |
| 19:33.04 | rahaeli | you know about apple's refurbished items line, right? |
| 19:33.09 | smtms | Ori_B, how much is the student discount? |
| 19:33.11 | thebolt | electronics and mechanical CAD, couple of VMs with cross-compilation toolchains etc |
| 19:33.22 | Ori_B | smtms: I think it comes to $100 or $150 or so |
| 19:33.28 | Ori_B | I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 19:33.34 | Ori_B | not huge, but... |
| 19:33.35 | rahaeli | if you can't get the student discount you can often find a refurb for the same or lower price |
| 19:34.17 | Ori_B | I've also been thinking about a Thinkpad |
| 19:34.20 | Ori_B | maybe the tablet |
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| 19:35.44 | thebolt | my current core duo laptop (4 years old) just won't handle some of the circuit board CAD or mechanical CAD i will have to do in the autumn.. takes ages to do any change :/ |
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| 19:36.11 | Ori_B | :/ |
| 19:36.31 | thebolt | then it is physically falling apart also.. |
| 19:36.37 | thebolt | and have 8 minute battery time :) |
| 19:36.46 | thebolt | minutes* |
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| 19:37.08 | dberkholz | thebolt: i've been really happy with my thinkpad, consider looking into them. if you know anyone who works for ibm, you can get the friends & family discount (which is significant) |
| 19:37.23 | Ori_B | dberkholz: I'm going to be working for IBM in the summer |
| 19:37.28 | Ori_B | any idea what the discount is like? |
| 19:37.29 | thebolt | dberkholz: my previous was an ibm, i really liked it |
| 19:37.33 | dberkholz | at least, i think ibm folks still get it. they did when i bought mine, which was after the lenovo sale |
| 19:37.38 | thebolt | dberkholz: however, they are also pretty pricey |
| 19:38.02 | Ori_B | dberkholz: also, the question is whether it beats out the price difference between Canada and the US |
| 19:38.10 | thebolt | esp as i need pretty good performance.. and a 15-16" screen with at least 1400x900 (or more) |
| 19:38.25 | Ori_B | because there's something like $300 diff on Canada/US |
| 19:38.34 | dberkholz | Ori_B: i got a top of the line t61 for around 1100 |
| 19:38.36 | thebolt | 95% of all 15" laptops only have 1366x768 |
| 19:39.02 | Ori_B | dberkholz: hum, that looks like what the current price in the states would be from Lenovo |
| 19:39.24 | dberkholz | it was around $500 off the original price |
| 19:40.02 | Ori_B | ah. ok. |
| 19:40.27 | thiago_home | thebolt: I'd think 1280x800 to be more common |
| 19:40.49 | dberkholz | 15.4" screen, 1680x1050, plenty of ram, fastest cpu i could get at the time.. |
| 19:41.09 | dberkholz | in fact the reason i got the t61 instead of an X-series was that the X's didn't have the latest cpu yet |
| 19:41.33 | thebolt | thiago_home: well, that is what I have now, its ok but a bit low.. |
| 19:41.49 | thebolt | thiago_home: the Dell i have been looking at has 1920x1080 (on 15.4 or 16") |
| 19:41.59 | Ori_B | dberkholz: hm, can you get the guy you know at IBM to check the current prices? |
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| 19:42.28 | dberkholz | Ori_B: find someone you know there, you should be able to get some kind of link with a login |
| 19:42.41 | Ori_B | mm, ok. |
| 19:42.44 | dberkholz | i got it via a friend of a friend |
| 19:42.59 | Ori_B | I guess I can prod my future boss. |
| 19:43.21 | Ori_B | bah, although I have a friend coming up from the states, so I can get the "cross-border discount" if I hurry as well. |
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| 19:46.09 | Ori_B | hrm... |
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| 19:46.36 | Ori_B | (also, if anyone knows any other laptops I should look at...) |
| 19:47.58 | thebolt | my bets are currently on a dell xps 16 |
| 19:48.00 | dberkholz | dell xps? |
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| 19:49.41 | thebolt | well, hard to match them for the screen + CPU at that price :/ |
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| 19:51.04 | Ori_B | hm, how about battery life? |
| 19:51.10 | Ori_B | and ability to take abuse? |
| 19:51.17 | mayanks43 | !logs |
| 19:51.17 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:51.31 | thebolt | well, a quadcore laptop will never have great battery life.. |
| 19:51.56 | Ori_B | yeah. I'm willing to sacrifice speed for battery. |
| 19:52.05 | Ori_B | I've got a desktop I use for the heavier lifting. |
| 19:52.20 | SukhE | If the ability to take abuse is something you are looking for, I recommend Toshiba. Their laptops are rock solid. |
| 19:52.34 | thebolt | yea, probably we have different needs |
| 19:52.49 | thebolt | i don't have any desktop, won't have any desktop (going to be moving around a bit) |
| 19:53.08 | thebolt | and don't have a fixed work-place so need to be able to take work with me and work anywhere |
| 19:53.49 | thebolt | Panasonic Toughbooks are pretty good for that as well ;) |
| 19:53.52 | Ori_B | ah. |
| 19:54.04 | Ori_B | yeah, but they're hardly light and affordable :P |
| 19:54.10 | thebolt | no :P |
| 19:54.50 | Ori_B | I don't drive over my laptops; I've just been known to toss them in a backpack with textbooks and run |
| 19:55.23 | thebolt | heh |
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| 19:55.47 | thebolt | my current ASUS doesn't take beating that well, but still held together for 4 years |
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| 19:57.27 | nfl | Ori_B: asus ul30vt-a1, though battery:speed is not really balanced |
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| 19:59.28 | Ori_B | hm, ULV chip... |
| 19:59.57 | Ori_B | that's actually not a big problem. |
| 20:00.13 | Ori_B | the laptop that just died on me was also a ULV, and it was 3 years old. |
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| 20:00.36 | nfl | the 12h battery life is a deal breaker IMHO :) |
| 20:00.48 | Ori_B | ...hm? |
| 20:00.56 | thebolt | after this one i am not really a big fan of ASUS (even though it could be interesting to work for them ;) |
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| 20:46.23 | Airwhale | So is it the 26th yet? =) |
| 20:46.28 | Airwhale | how about now? |
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| 20:46.32 | Airwhale | Are we there yet? |
| 20:46.47 | sanjoyd | !countdown |
| 20:46.48 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 20:46.54 | sanjoyd | ^^^ |
| 20:47.24 | Airwhale | only 166371seconds left! |
| 20:47.38 | Airwhale | thanks guys. Sorry to be a bother |
| 20:47.41 | Airwhale | no one to vent to |
| 20:47.44 | Airwhale | =) |
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| 21:00.58 | mkarnicki | *true |
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| 22:15.52 | josip | !countdown |
| 22:15.52 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 22:19.21 | Arthurus | socinfo, lol !! amazing |
| 22:19.21 | socinfo | Error: "lol" is not a valid command. |
| 22:19.32 | Arthurus | I thought I was the only one to be impatient |
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| 22:20.45 | Arthurus | damn, I m talking with a bot |
| 22:21.32 | gevaerts | That's still better than talking to yourself :) |
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| 22:21.59 | Arthurus | :D |
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| 22:51.12 | mayanks43 | have the released slots been reallocated?? |
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| 23:20.17 | lolfrenz | onoes |
| 23:20.20 | lolfrenz | accepted applications soon |
| 23:20.33 | nego | You got that right. |
| 23:20.51 | lolfrenz | also my Cambridge exam results! |
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