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| 01:28.11 | afon | Hello |
| 01:28.46 | afon | do you know what ineligible/withdrawn Student Proposals means? |
| 01:29.28 | movicont | afon: it means that proposal is no longer considered |
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| 01:29.57 | sploving | !next |
| 01:29.57 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 01:30.05 | movicont | !bot |
| 01:30.06 | socinfo | Error: "bot" is not a valid command. |
| 01:30.15 | sploving | !numApps |
| 01:30.16 | socinfo | "numApps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 01:30.36 | movicont | !countdown |
| 01:30.37 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 01:31.03 | afon | movicont: thanks. is it no longer considered by the org? |
| 01:31.10 | movicont | afon: yes |
| 01:31.18 | afon | movicont: they filtered those, right? |
| 01:31.53 | movicont | afon: what do you mean by filtered? |
| 01:32.13 | movicont | afon: they just don't consider them anymore...those apps are ineligible |
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| 01:32.29 | afon | OK. |
| 01:32.37 | afon | so those projects will not exist? |
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| 01:33.01 | movicont | the project itself might still exist |
| 01:33.07 | movicont | and be done by a different student |
| 01:33.12 | movicont | with a different proposal |
| 01:34.44 | aditya | next! |
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| 01:34.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 01:40.16 | maveriick | hi all |
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| 01:42.46 | sploving | hi |
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| 02:01.47 | ___gaurav | !numapps |
| 02:01.47 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 02:01.53 | ___gaurav | !slots |
| 02:01.53 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
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| 02:04.11 | ___gaurav | does anyone have idea about number of applicants? |
| 02:06.45 | ___gaurav | does anyone have idea about number of applicants? |
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| 02:10.28 | anonymouse89 | !numapps |
| 02:10.29 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 02:27.55 | ojwb | note that isn't the number of applicants though, since each applicant can submit multiple proposals |
| 02:28.37 | bawr | The consensus seems to be that the average is between 3 and 5 per applicant. |
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| 02:30.14 | ojwb | um |
| 02:30.22 | ojwb | the average was less than 2 last year |
| 02:30.35 | ojwb | if it was 5, you'd be almost assured a place |
| 02:30.54 | bawr | blinks |
| 02:31.07 | bawr | How did I turn 1 and 3 into 3 and 5? |
| 02:31.34 | bawr | I guess I shifted my arm to the right. :) |
| 02:31.34 | josip | so, if some of your projects doesn't get classified as ineligible/withdrawn, does that have any implication on the whole process? As the organizations have already chosen the proposals |
| 02:31.53 | ojwb | 2009 was "5900 proposals from 3500 students" |
| 02:32.11 | josip | so around 1/3 will get accepted? |
| 02:32.13 | maveriick | just thinking, can Google announce the result today rather than 26th, considering all applications are ranked and duplicates resolved. |
| 02:32.19 | ojwb | josip: the selection isn't yet finalised |
| 02:32.29 | ojwb | maveriick: no, it's not finalised yet |
| 02:32.41 | josip | not even on the organization level? |
| 02:32.42 | ojwb | partly because carols couldn't get a reliable net connection for the meeting |
| 02:33.09 | ojwb | AIUI, there are still 3 duplicates outstanding |
| 02:33.28 | ojwb | there's also scope for orgs to make a late change if it doesn't create a new duplicate |
| 02:33.34 | ojwb | or at least there has been in previous years |
| 02:33.53 | bawr | Any reason you want it faster, besides being all giddy with anticipation? :) |
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| 02:34.46 | josip | I just want to know whether I should start bothering with internship applications or not :) |
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| 02:35.01 | josip | among other things, hehe |
| 02:35.12 | dbrashear | slots will be announced in 5 days. |
| 02:35.42 | josip | yep, someone even put a countdown |
| 02:35.45 | dbrashear | not a whole lot of internships will close up in 5 days |
| 02:35.56 | josip | I feel like tracking my package via UPS |
| 02:36.43 | josip | dbrashear: correct, correct. I guess you were bawr was right as well |
| 02:36.49 | josip | aah, err. |
| 02:36.52 | josip | I mean bawr |
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| 02:39.04 | bawr | josip: See, the trick is to make an application that could't possibly be rejected. ;) |
| 02:39.20 | bawr | yawns |
| 02:39.27 | josip | an offer they can't refuse |
| 02:39.59 | bawr | Damn. when I get to sleep today, I guess it will take at least twelve hours for me to reset. |
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| 02:40.26 | bawr | Seeing as I'm getting about 3-4 hours of sleep per day for the last week or so... 16 is a safer bet. |
| 02:40.45 | bawr | Stupid projects and papers. |
| 02:41.43 | bawr | Well. Okaay, technically, if for the last month or so I was warking on those projects and papers instead of reading sci-fi, I wouldn't need to complain. |
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| 02:42.15 | bawr | Also, josip - precisely, precisely. :) |
| 02:42.44 | bawr | Little things like knowing your org requested X slots and got X slots help, too. |
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| 02:47.06 | gigasoft1 | when the mentors evaluate proposal do they consider comments too? |
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| 02:48.04 | araujo | gigasoft1, you mean ... ??? |
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| 02:52.44 | skbohra | good morning everyone |
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| 02:56.04 | bawr | Hello there. |
| 02:56.37 | skbohra | bawr: how you been? |
| 02:57.44 | gigasoft1 | araujo, i mean if i add comment to make it more clear does it count? |
| 02:58.34 | bawr | Ask your org. Talk to your mentors |
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| 02:59.19 | bawr | skbohra: Bad. I'm sleepy and grumpy, and the soonest time I can sleep is, well, in about 12 hours. |
| 02:59.37 | skbohra | bawr: sounds hectic, eeh |
| 02:59.50 | skbohra | bawr: why dont you just go and sleep ;) |
| 02:59.51 | ojwb | gigasoft1: if you added it just now, probably not a lot; if you added it last week, they should |
| 03:01.00 | bawr | skbohra: Because if I manage ~6 more hours, there's basically a new PC in it for me. And by "manage" I mean "finish the paper I'm writing". :) |
| 03:01.41 | bawr | Ergh, I always get into these all or nothing situations. |
| 03:01.45 | skbohra | bawr: wow , good luck then |
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| 03:02.52 | bawr | Thanks, I'll need it. |
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| 03:04.30 | bawr | To add insult to injury, in about 9 hours I need to be present at my university to write a simple simple SQL test. Apparently if I miss it, that's a missed opportunity for credits and that's that. |
| 03:04.32 | bawr | sighs |
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| 03:08.53 | bawr | skbohra: Anyway, then... how are *you* doing? :) |
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| 03:10.29 | skbohra | bawr: we are having a lug week in our college, so that's keeping me busy. |
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| 03:14.00 | bawr | Ahh, I see. |
| 03:14.13 | skbohra | we are tyring to turn more people to linux, its similar to asking people for changing their religion :D |
| 03:14.28 | Sabriel | yay linux |
| 03:14.50 | bawr | skbohra: I've found that converting people only leads to pain, myself. :) |
| 03:15.16 | ebo | if you all need a really good laugh, check out the barbershop quartet doing the Ewok celebration song... http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/21/barbershop-ewoks.html |
| 03:15.20 | skbohra | bawr: hehe, indeed |
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| 03:16.49 | skbohra | still we want to do it |
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| 08:21.03 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 08:55.24 | sploving | !numApps |
| 08:55.24 | socinfo | "numApps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 08:55.35 | sploving | !next |
| 08:55.35 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 09:16.34 | LetterRip | hi all we are contemplating this year of having the students work integrated early and often - ie the projects we anticipate accepting generally can be done in a piecewise fashion so that after each stage it can be merged back to the main tree. Someone mentioned to me that this might pose a problem, something about a requirement of a diff of all student work against the main tree |
| 09:16.47 | LetterRip | any idea where i can find more details |
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| 09:17.34 | sxw | LetterRip: At the end of the Summer of Code, the student is required to submit to Google all of the code that they wrote over the summer. This is, in effect, what Google has paid them to produce. |
| 09:17.51 | LetterRip | right |
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| 09:18.06 | smtms | LetterRip, the standard way to deal with this requirement is to collect diffs written by the student |
| 09:18.11 | LetterRip | i guess we can have them do a diff abefore each mere? |
| 09:18.15 | LetterRip | merge |
| 09:18.45 | sxw | Well, if your revision control system is up to it, it should be easy to dump out the diffs for all patches from a particular author. |
| 09:18.47 | smtms | LetterRip, for you to merge, there must be already some commits done by the student to their own branch |
| 09:18.59 | smtms | LetterRip, you collect these commits |
| 09:19.05 | LetterRip | smtms ah ok |
| 09:19.18 | LetterRip | so as long as the commit to their branch |
| 09:19.31 | LetterRip | and then we pull from their branch to head all is good |
| 09:19.49 | sxw | Well, not even that. If they know what patches they've submitted, then they can just extract all of those into a directory to give to Google at the end. |
| 09:20.13 | smtms | LetterRip, it's all good if you can collect all individual changes done by the student |
| 09:20.13 | LetterRip | k |
| 09:20.26 | LetterRip | thanks |
| 09:20.29 | smtms | LetterRip, which can happen even if they commit to HEAD |
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| 09:21.00 | LetterRip | ok thanks i'll ask our subversion guru on it |
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| 09:24.54 | ojwb | LetterRip: it's a good way to work if it fits the projects - it's satisfying and motivating for the students to see their work merged, and helps ensure testing and documenting happens as they go |
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| 10:33.41 | bawr | Well, not really. I can go and write a silly test, then I can sleep. |
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| 11:00.42 | skbohra | so everything is set now :) |
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| 11:14.35 | _Samo | any british here or living in the UK now? |
| 11:16.00 | _Samo | what is cheaper for inter city hops in the UK, bus or train? |
| 11:16.57 | brik | bus should be cheaper |
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| 11:19.53 | XSF|Kev | _Samo: Coach is generally cheapest. |
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| 11:20.41 | XSF|Kev | Or car hire, depending on circumstances. |
| 11:21.27 | _Samo | ok thanks |
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| 11:22.33 | Chainsaw | _Samo: Train can be cheaper if you pre-book and commit to a specific time. |
| 11:22.46 | Chainsaw | _Samo: But if it's fairly ad-hoc, agreed, coach. |
| 11:23.23 | XSF|Kev | Chainsaw: well, if you pre-book, coaches are pretty cheap, too. |
| 11:23.58 | Chainsaw | XSF|Kev: I pre-book on the east coast main line, so I get first class tickets for the price of standard on the day :) |
| 11:24.32 | XSF|Kev | That sounds nicer than a coach, but not cheaper. |
| 11:24.40 | Chainsaw | *looks* |
| 11:24.50 | Chainsaw | 21GBP Kings Cross -> Peterborough |
| 11:25.12 | Chainsaw | At certain times only, but it's 5GBP for lounge access. I just wait there for an hour or so. |
| 11:25.50 | Chainsaw | 26 still beats the more expensive 35, 40.50 & 51 GBP trains that go earlier by quite a margin. |
| 11:25.53 | Honeynet|David | _Samo: if you can book in advance, you might get cheap train fares (http://www.thetrainline.com) |
| 11:26.03 | Honeynet|David | but usually coach |
| 11:27.44 | Chainsaw | It depends on where you're going really. |
| 11:27.52 | Chainsaw | In some cases, the train is a lot better then coaches. |
| 11:28.06 | Chainsaw | In other cases (Cambridge comes to mind) you might as well go by coach because the train connections are dire. |
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| 11:29.41 | ojwb | if you have to change coaches, coach can be painful as you are at the mercy of traffic |
| 11:31.59 | |Kev| | True. |
| 11:32.22 | Chainsaw | If you're tall, leg room can be an issue on both. |
| 11:32.22 | ojwb | and the big coach stations are rarely places you really want to have to spend very long in |
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| 11:41.21 | yonij | hi |
| 11:41.34 | yonij | does this iphone sdk have a ipad simulator? |
| 11:41.40 | yonij | 3.2 v |
| 11:41.51 | ojwb | welcome to #gsoc, help desk for the world |
| 11:42.15 | yonij | :) |
| 11:42.17 | ojwb | it's not even an open source sdk... |
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| 12:25.32 | sanjoyd | !countdown |
| 12:25.32 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 12:29.07 | Taron | !countdown |
| 12:29.08 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 12:31.06 | Waren | yo |
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| 12:32.15 | nmudgal | ajuonline: pm ! |
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| 12:51.46 | rafael_ | !log |
| 12:51.46 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 12:51.54 | rafael_ | !logs |
| 12:51.54 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 12:53.45 | diofeher | anyone knows if gsoc is valid as traineeship? (i don't know the correct word in english, may be probation or apprenticeship) |
| 12:54.01 | rafael_ | depends on your college |
| 12:54.09 | rafael_ | some don't accept it, and some might |
| 12:54.21 | diofeher | rafael_: makes sense... thanks :) |
| 12:54.26 | rafael_ | talk to your campus placement incharge |
| 12:54.32 | rafael_ | sure anytime matey |
| 12:55.27 | diofeher | :D |
| 12:55.54 | chippy | isitstgeorgesdayyet.com |
| 12:56.06 | epps | !next |
| 12:56.06 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 12:56.13 | chippy | erm. whoops. |
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| 12:59.14 | epps | meh |
| 12:59.19 | epps | 19:00 UTC |
| 12:59.25 | epps | thats gonna be a loooong day |
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| 13:03.53 | diofeher | agreed. |
| 13:04.36 | thebolt | agreed.. got up at 0320 UTC and have my last meeting at 23-00 UTC :/ |
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| 13:48.16 | Sylvestre | Are we doing a new meeting tonight again or not ? |
| 13:49.07 | aghisla | I think so - any confirmation? |
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| 13:54.28 | aghisla | danderson: do you know if the slot meeting on 1900 UTC is confirmed? |
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| 13:55.49 | danderson | sorry, I don't |
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| 14:48.55 | xzilla | is there a way to officiall assign two mentors to a given proposal ? |
| 14:49.20 | Ivanovic | xzilla: no |
| 14:49.40 | kai | not yet |
| 14:49.50 | Ivanovic | xzilla: though since you handle the student internally anyway, this does not matter too much |
| 14:49.57 | kai | I think it's possible once the proposals are turned into projects |
| 14:50.01 | Ivanovic | yeah, only one can do the "real" evaluation, but thats about it |
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| 14:54.43 | adimania | has to wait for 4 days, 4 hours, 4 minutes and 44 seconds :D |
| 14:54.44 | dho_plan9 | kai: Are we doing another mandatory meeting today at 1900UTC for the slot allocations? |
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| 14:55.16 | kai | dho_plan9: no idea |
| 14:55.24 | kai | I don't have time tonight |
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| 14:56.47 | dho_plan9 | Ok. Seemed to be the concensus yesterday since nobody had carols' list, but it wasn't horribly clear. |
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| 14:59.27 | ojwb | read somewhere there were 3 duplicates unresolved |
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| 15:00.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | dho_plan9: yes, we are, but it is primarly for assigning released slots, but those can cause more dupes so... |
| 15:00.36 | borja | ojwb: I think at the end of the meeting Cat mentioned there were three duplicates, but someone from Melange said they already knew their resolution and it wouldn't introduce any extra dupes |
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| 15:01.28 | borja | I dont think #gsod-dedup was being logged |
| 15:01.38 | borja | #gsoc-dedup, even |
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| 15:04.13 | xzilla | waves to dho_plan9 |
| 15:04.14 | mmadia | Melange|Lennie mentioned the 1 dup being between python versus pardus |
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| 15:04.51 | Mek | wasn't todays meeting mainly for if new dups would be introduced after the currently unassigned slots got assigned to orgs? |
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| 15:05.39 | mmadia | and for giving the extra slots to orgs that had requested them. |
| 15:07.27 | dalec | hey, could you tell me how many students were accepted to more than one organization? |
| 15:07.41 | gevaerts | dalec: yes, zero |
| 15:08.10 | gevaerts | If you want the pre-resolution number, I don't think anybody knows |
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| 15:08.35 | dalec | gevaerts: yes i want the pre-resolution number, any estimation? |
| 15:09.08 | borja | dalec: There is no exact number; we started the meeting with six dupes, but resolving those dupes introduced new dupes, and resolving those introduced others, etc. |
| 15:09.28 | ojwb | and there would have been lots more resolved in the week before |
| 15:10.05 | ojwb | they may know on #melange I guess |
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| 15:10.35 | dalec | i see |
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| 15:10.45 | dalec | thanks |
| 15:11.42 | cah_0007 | I know all basic c++, how could i become a good open source programmer |
| 15:11.55 | Catfish_Man | cah_0007: write more code |
| 15:12.03 | cah_0007 | about |
| 15:12.05 | cah_0007 | ? |
| 15:12.05 | Catfish_Man | experience leads to skill |
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| 15:12.23 | cah_0007 | more code on what |
| 15:12.27 | ojwb | modifying existing code is a good way to learn |
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| 15:12.49 | Catfish_Man | pick something. It doesn't really matter what as long as it keeps you interested and excited and writing code |
| 15:12.52 | borja | !orgs |
| 15:12.52 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 15:13.02 | ojwb | it gives you a feel for how the language is really used, and how a larger program is put together |
| 15:13.03 | cah_0007 | k |
| 15:13.09 | cah_0007 | k |
| 15:13.10 | borja | That's a good starting point for finding open source projects that welcome contributions |
| 15:13.21 | cah_0007 | thx |
| 15:13.50 | cah_0007 | so do u ahve anything more to tell to a begineer |
| 15:13.52 | ojwb | most projects do though |
| 15:14.05 | d1b | ojwb: diff ;P +/* hack */ |
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| 15:14.36 | ojwb | if you say so |
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| 15:17.10 | cah_0007 | if u say so??? |
| 15:17.34 | borja | cah_0007: he wasn't talking to you |
| 15:17.36 | borja | !gsoc |
| 15:17.37 | socinfo | "gsoc" is GSoC refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
| 15:20.55 | cah_0007 | so can u tell me the channel where i can get this kind of information |
| 15:21.18 | Catfish_Man | what kind of information? |
| 15:21.40 | skbohra_ | cah_0007: join your local lug |
| 15:21.51 | borja | cah_0007: This list might be useful: http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml |
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| 15:22.04 | xzilla | socinfo: do you have documentation on that ? |
| 15:22.04 | socinfo | Error: "do" is not a valid command. |
| 15:22.16 | borja | cah_0007: although I don't see any groups specifically for beginner programmers |
| 15:22.49 | Catfish_Man | xzilla: socinfo is a bot, it can't talk to you |
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| 15:23.19 | xzilla | Catfish_Man: i bet it could if i applied a bit more vodka |
| 15:23.35 | Catfish_Man | that would be an interesting experiment. Do let me know if you try it |
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| 15:50.08 | Ophiuchi | has carols escaped the ash-travel-hell yet? |
| 15:50.28 | Ivanovic | i have not seen her online yet |
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| 15:52.13 | Ivanovic | and she sent no mail to the mentor ml yet |
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| 15:55.38 | Ophiuchi | Ivanovic: I noticed, that's why I asked. Life must be way more interesting re UK trains than I'd have imagined :& |
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| 15:56.15 | kblin | Ophiuchi: no kidding |
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| 15:57.14 | thebolt | kblin: just about to head out for the diving premiere for this year :) |
| 15:57.23 | kblin | have fun |
| 15:57.30 | kblin | thebolt: I already had mine |
| 15:58.09 | thebolt | kblin: in northern waters? |
| 15:58.46 | kblin | well, north of the equator, yes |
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| 16:00.05 | apache|noirin | Anything less than 50N doesn't count as northern ;-) |
| 16:01.02 | thebolt | exactly :P |
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| 16:01.47 | thebolt | our dive-site is 58N.. |
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| 16:04.10 | thebolt | 6C surface water temperature. .but i assume it will be colder a bit down ;) |
| 16:04.56 | Ophiuchi | brrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 16:07.33 | thebolt | as long as it is not frozen you can dive in it ;) |
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| 16:13.39 | rurban | BTW: rakudo-1.0 will be numerically lower than rakudo-2004, so we will have to make extra hints to sort it correctly (current, prev) |
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| 16:13.48 | rurban | oops, wrong channel |
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| 16:18.13 | thebolt | hi Wolf_OSGeo |
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| 16:19.51 | anirvana | !next |
| 16:19.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 16:58.44 | BarryCarlyon | RUSSIANS! |
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| 17:05.11 | kblin | d4ddi0: if you're bored, do my research for me? |
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| 17:06.14 | kblin | I'm looking for biochemically verified substrates of NTPS Adenylation(A) domains that popped up in literature between 2005 and today |
| 17:06.28 | kblin | s/NTPS/NRPS/ |
| 17:07.13 | yonij | kblin , are you a bio chemist ? ;) |
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| 17:07.44 | d4ddi0 | kblin: I'd love to help, but I'm afaid I'd be worse than useless :) I'd just slow you down asking questions |
| 17:08.09 | d4ddi0 | like what is NTPS and why should I care? |
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| 17:09.20 | d4ddi0 | ... and what makes the 2005 date significant |
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| 17:09.39 | d4ddi0 | ...and... I'll quit now |
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| 17:09.53 | nooga | !timeline |
| 17:09.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 17:10.01 | kblin | yonij: no, I'm a computational biologist |
| 17:10.18 | kblin | d4ddi0: an NTPS is a typo of NRPS |
| 17:10.57 | yonij | yonij , wow - so u do stuffs like natural computing and likes, I remember attending one seminar :) |
| 17:11.04 | kblin | the 2005 date is significant because I'm updating a program that was released in 2005, so all pre-2005 results are already incooperated |
| 17:11.38 | kblin | yonij: apart from talking to yourself, you're also confusing :) I have no idea what natural computing would be :) |
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| 17:13.12 | yonij | kblin , hehe , from wat i got from that semirar its like naturally inspired computing , many ppl were from your domain - " computational biologist " |
| 17:13.16 | d4ddi0 | NRPS == New Riders of the Purple Sage || Nevada Recreation and Parks Society || |
| 17:13.57 | yonij | d4ddi0: yup i guess thats it ... ur bang on target :P |
| 17:14.39 | kblin | yonij: meh, probably a bit overhyped |
| 17:14.48 | d4ddi0 | nonribosomal peptide synthetase ! |
| 17:15.18 | kblin | good one :) |
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| 17:15.29 | d4ddi0 | Which sadly does not have Jerry Garcia :( (unlike New Riders of the Purple Sage) |
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| 17:35.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 18:12.28 | greggy | I heard there's a meeting happening here today to discuss request for extra slots. When is it happening if there is? |
| 18:13.11 | movicont | I believe the meeting is happening at #gsoc-dedux |
| 18:13.15 | rez_les | !dedup |
| 18:13.16 | socinfo | Error: "dedup" is not a valid command. |
| 18:13.23 | rez_les | #gsoc-dedup |
| 18:13.24 | movicont | *gsoc-dedup |
| 18:13.26 | movicont | sorry |
| 18:13.34 | greggy | 19:00UTC? |
| 18:13.38 | dbrashear | yes |
| 18:13.41 | rez_les | yup |
| 18:13.42 | greggy | thx |
| 18:13.44 | movicont | so in an hour |
| 18:13.51 | greggy | got it |
| 18:13.55 | Ivanovic | that is at least the latest available information |
| 18:14.26 | Ivanovic | so far there was no official mail and the likes about this |
| 18:14.36 | smtms | any info about carols? |
| 18:14.42 | Ivanovic | in general the plan was to wait for carols so that her waiting list can be taken into account |
| 18:14.50 | dbrashear | any carol? multiple carols? |
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| 18:14.59 | smtms | dbrashear, our carols |
| 18:15.18 | dbrashear | sorry :) |
| 18:15.32 | schumaml | this carols: http://opensourcebridge.org/users/478 |
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| 18:18.52 | marcosroriz | guys |
| 18:19.00 | marcosroriz | any idea for a ideal distro for working on gsoc ? :3 |
| 18:19.20 | schumaml | the same as your mentor? |
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| 18:19.43 | toad_ | !next |
| 18:19.43 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:19.45 | reddragon | marcosroriz, depends on your project |
| 18:19.49 | jceel | marcosroriz, doesn't matter. |
| 18:19.51 | reddragon | what are you working on? |
| 18:20.02 | marcosroriz | well, I have a proposal for gnu and apache |
| 18:20.07 | marcosroriz | both on java ~ |
| 18:20.23 | d4ddi0 | marcosroriz: hurd! |
| 18:20.26 | reddragon | it should not make a difference |
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| 18:20.31 | marcosroriz | hhahaa |
| 18:20.34 | jceel | marcosroriz, you should generally write code that will be working on all distros, and even on all UNIX OS-es. |
| 18:20.34 | jmagerh | xD |
| 18:20.47 | reddragon | i really hope to see Hurd in full shape |
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| 18:20.52 | marcosroriz | I know jceel , i was wondering if theres like a killer distro for gsoc |
| 18:20.58 | marcosroriz | Or I can use my fav distro? :D |
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| 18:21.05 | jceel | marcosroriz, use your favorite one |
| 18:21.10 | Catfish_Man | ...the idea of switching OSs for a specific project is bizarre |
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| 18:21.17 | Catfish_Man | they're sorta supposed to be general purpose |
| 18:21.24 | marcosroriz | the prob is that my fav one doesnt support so much the proj that I'm working |
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| 18:21.32 | marcosroriz | I like arch, which is bleeding edge... |
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| 18:21.47 | marcosroriz | but some projects require like stuff more "stable" |
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| 18:21.57 | schumaml | Catfish_Man: try to work on e.g. Scribus with Debian stable... ;) |
| 18:22.14 | d4ddi0 | Your work will presumably be in a repo clone or copy, I don't see why arch or gentoo woudl be any worse |
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| 18:22.29 | d4ddi0 | than RHEL |
| 18:22.30 | jceel | marcosroriz, you said that you'll write java code, so I think that you can develop it on windows even. |
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| 18:22.40 | marcosroriz | it has a lot of bindings on jni |
| 18:22.40 | marcosroriz | yeah |
| 18:22.45 | marcosroriz | but I dont like windows to dev |
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| 18:22.53 | marcosroriz | I like it as a gaming platform haha |
| 18:23.03 | schumaml | with java, using a totally different platform than your mentor could even be useful |
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| 18:23.26 | schumaml | so get Haiku |
| 18:23.37 | d4ddi0 | jni is inherently not cross platform, so yeah, at least for testing |
| 18:23.39 | Ophiuchi | ... or a BSD |
| 18:23.40 | marcosroriz | schumaml, for ex, my research project only compiles on debian |
| 18:23.43 | Ophiuchi | (SCNR :) |
| 18:23.55 | marcosroriz | debian and ubuntu |
| 18:23.58 | schumaml | a commercial unix might be interesting |
| 18:24.06 | Catfish_Man | get the hypothetical OS that we planned to write in Malbolge for gsoc '06 |
| 18:24.09 | marcosroriz | because some stupid guys maked a harrcoded links with debian/ubuntu stuff |
| 18:24.13 | Catfish_Man | unicornbakeryOS |
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| 18:24.42 | d4ddi0 | Your search - unicornbakeryOS - did not match any documents. :( |
| 18:24.56 | schumaml | ... or Symbian |
| 18:25.13 | marcosroriz | thing schumaml |
| 18:25.26 | marcosroriz | is that my proposal is about gnu classpath and arch doesnt have it -_-` |
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| 18:25.51 | schumaml | well, what does your mentor use? |
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| 18:26.17 | marcosroriz | fedora |
| 18:26.30 | gevaerts | marcosroriz: if you'd work on gnu classpath, why would you need a prepackaged version anyway? |
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| 18:27.28 | marcosroriz | gevaerts, true |
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| 18:27.47 | d4ddi0 | What about icedTea? |
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| 18:28.37 | d4ddi0 | but... as gevaerts said, you'd need a custom classpath anyway, so who cares about the system JVM? |
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| 18:33.27 | svuorela | was there supposed to be some mentor meeting tonight ? |
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| 18:33.46 | borja | svuorela: in 30 minutes (supposedly) |
| 18:33.49 | mayanks43 | yup but no confirmation |
| 18:34.00 | borja | svuorela: We haven't heard otherwise, but there hasn't been any confirmation either |
| 18:34.01 | dho_plan9 | I was confused about that as well. |
| 18:34.06 | dho_plan9 | Well, it was said yesterday. |
| 18:34.13 | dho_plan9 | at the end of the meeting. |
| 18:34.15 | svuorela | borja: then it is not only me having that feeling ,) |
| 18:34.25 | dho_plan9 | Just, no word about carols' presence |
| 18:34.30 | dho_plan9 | kai said he wouldn't have time today. |
| 18:34.43 | borja | Presumably at least Cat will show up and will tell us about carols' situation |
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| 18:34.56 | danderson | Hi. |
| 18:35.03 | danderson | I'm talking to Cat now |
| 18:35.16 | svuorela | holds breath and waits |
| 18:35.16 | danderson | Carol still hasn't shown up, presumably she's lost somewhere in europe because of that damn volcano |
| 18:35.25 | danderson | we're trying to reach her and figure out what to do. |
| 18:35.42 | dho_plan9 | :\ |
| 18:35.44 | downeym | :( |
| 18:35.53 | OSGeo|aghisla | :s |
| 18:36.01 | dho_plan9 | Still weird. "Can't make it, volcano" |
| 18:36.03 | gevaerts | suspects that she's not lost. She probably knows exactly where she is! |
| 18:36.03 | tpf|[particle] | after she swam the channel, she started swimming home |
| 18:36.04 | OSGeo|aghisla | the volcano messes up a lot of stuff |
| 18:36.21 | OSGeo|aghisla | even communication :/ |
| 18:36.41 | rez_les | so, the volcano stuff messes the internet link too? |
| 18:36.43 | tpf|[particle] | she'll be heading for the warm waters of the panama canal soon enough |
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| 18:37.02 | svuorela | by container ship |
| 18:37.02 | OpenMRS|downeym | chips in $20 for a 3G connection for carols |
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| 18:37.09 | c_schmitz | :) cancelled filghts in Europe are down to 10% |
| 18:37.32 | OSGeo|aghisla | yeah but there is a long stack of flights to get rid of, i suppose |
| 18:37.39 | Ophiuchi | danderson: I'd hope she's on a plane to the US that she surprisingly got a place on and not still stuck in some train station in a port town |
| 18:37.44 | c_schmitz | I suppose |
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| 18:38.17 | danderson | don't panic. |
| 18:38.26 | schumaml | the google maps routing for europe -> us still contains the swimming part, doesn't it? |
| 18:38.27 | danderson | There's still plenty of time to figure this out |
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| 18:38.43 | thiago_home | runs around in panic just because danderson said not to |
| 18:38.51 | svuorela | follows thiago_home |
| 18:38.51 | borja | reaches for his towel |
| 18:39.03 | OSGeo|aghisla | tea, anyone? |
| 18:39.08 | c_schmitz | lol |
| 18:39.09 | Ophiuchi | merry-go-round :) |
| 18:39.10 | haiku|mmadia | reads Vogon poetry to pass the time |
| 18:39.12 | danderson | okay, we have a decision and and update |
| 18:39.15 | danderson | everyone listen |
| 18:39.33 | Ophiuchi | aghisla: been trying to drown a headache in balm tea |
| 18:39.37 | danderson | since Carol is unreachable and had the original list of slot requests, and I have another parallel list of slot requests |
| 18:39.39 | Ophiuchi | (not working yet) |
| 18:40.03 | danderson | what I'm going to do is send out a form on the mentor/admin list and on IRC, asking you to enter the # of extra slots you want again. |
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| 18:40.24 | danderson | yes, it sucks and it's annoying, especially for those who already had submitted requests. I'm sorry. |
| 18:40.38 | danderson | we'll leave the form up for 24hrs or so to collect requests |
| 18:40.42 | Ophiuchi | danderson: it beats the alternatives |
| 18:40.47 | danderson | and then try to figure out how to reassign slots. |
| 18:40.59 | danderson | I'm constructing the form now, expect it linked here within a few minutes |
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| 18:41.28 | svuorela | danderson: so no meeting in 19 minutes ? |
| 18:41.54 | danderson | correct, no meeting. |
| 18:41.58 | c_schmitz | k |
| 18:41.59 | OSGeo|aghisla | great |
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| 18:42.04 | OSGeo|aghisla | thanks danderson |
| 18:42.14 | svuorela | danderson: great. can you put it in topic in #-dedup ? |
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| 18:44.02 | rafael_ | is #gsoc-dedup on? |
| 18:44.31 | rafael_ | ok looks like it is...a few more minutes i guess |
| 18:45.34 | OSGeo|aghisla | rafael_: nope, carol is unreachable, orgs will communicate again the # of extra slots they wish in the next 24hrs |
| 18:45.49 | OSGeo|aghisla | via a form that danderson is preparing and sending to mentor ml |
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| 18:46.43 | rafael_ | cool |
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| 18:49.52 | danderson | ORG EXTRA SLOT REQUEST FORM: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGlKODNzVWhUcVdOVkhFbnpTOG9scnc6MQ |
| 18:50.03 | danderson | if you are an org, and would like extra student slots, please fill out that form. |
| 18:50.16 | danderson | note that you can also return slots, if you missed yesterday's meeting for some reason. |
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| 18:50.36 | tekky | when is the 'noon' for the dedupe? |
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| 18:50.53 | svuorela | tekky: now+10min |
| 18:51.00 | tekky | thanks |
| 18:51.25 | svuorela | goes to spreadsheet and return slots for other organizations. |
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| 18:53.54 | rafael_ | @svuorela you can't do that...unless you have somehow got to know how many slots that org has right now |
| 18:54.01 | rafael_ | the form is rightly designed |
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| 18:55.44 | svuorela | rafael_: heh. |
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| 18:56.37 | rafael_ | !next |
| 18:56.37 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:56.41 | rafael_ | !socinfo |
| 18:56.41 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
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| 18:57.23 | rafael_ | @danderson could you add the spreadsheet info to any command or join message so that newcomers will know of it... |
| 18:57.38 | svuorela | rafael_: it is being sent by email |
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| 18:58.31 | rafael_ | ok |
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| 18:58.57 | danderson | rafael_: I've just sent the email to the mentor list. |
| 18:59.41 | YuviPanda_ | !timeline |
| 18:59.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 19:00.23 | dreimark | scorche: can you change the topic? |
| 19:00.33 | dreimark | in gsoc-d* |
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| 19:07.02 | janewells | WordPress can give back one slot to the pool, since we lost a student in the dupe process. |
| 19:07.58 | svuorela | janewells: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGlKODNzVWhUcVdOVkhFbnpTOG9scnc6MQ |
| 19:08.07 | janewells | yes, just saw the email after i posted that |
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| 19:09.48 | SRabbelier | Are we having the meeting here? |
| 19:10.05 | Dark_Shikari | #gsoc-dedup |
| 19:10.06 | SRabbelier | WEll nvm :) |
| 19:10.11 | dreimark | SRabbelier: at gsoc-dedup |
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| 19:14.53 | schumaml | does this form check if someone is a mentor/admin, or can anyone enter data there? |
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| 19:19.27 | smtms | schumaml, let's see |
| 19:19.33 | smtms | schumaml, which org were you from? ;-) |
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| 19:20.04 | schumaml | nice try |
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| 19:21.25 | schumaml | I was just going to post it on our irc channel, and got this heywaitaminute feeling |
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| 19:21.54 | bxyahoo | hi all |
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| 19:22.24 | bxyahoo | selection of students is based on mentors aloneor google plays any role??? |
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| 19:22.36 | bxyahoo | selection of students is based on mentors alone or google plays any role??? |
| 19:22.46 | dho_plan9 | It is up to the org to decide how students are selected. |
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| 19:23.11 | dho_plan9 | Google does not play any role unless multiple orgs want to accept the student and neither is present to resolve the duplication. All those are solved at this point. |
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| 19:49.51 | Ophiuchi | oopsa |
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| 20:07.23 | funman | hi, where are the #gsoc logs? couldn't find it in the FAQ |
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| 20:07.41 | smtms | !logs |
| 20:07.41 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 20:11.29 | Taron | !help |
| 20:11.30 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 20:11.41 | Taron | !advice |
| 20:11.42 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 20:12.10 | Lunixed | Results in 3 days :)) |
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| 20:13.22 | ebo | looks like we need another one of those countdown clocks ;-) |
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| 20:13.44 | kblin | ebo: like... |
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| 20:13.50 | kblin | !countdown |
| 20:13.50 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 20:13.52 | kblin | ? |
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| 20:15.21 | thebolt | Evening |
| 20:15.26 | ebo | kblin: yep... that was it. |
| 20:16.03 | ebo | but with 96 hours remaining, that is 4 days. |
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| 20:16.34 | ebo | oops. never ming that is 94 hours. |
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| 20:16.37 | ebo | my bad. |
| 20:16.50 | kblin | evening thebolt |
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| 20:18.48 | vishal_iitk1 | do we get to know how many students have applied for GSoC this year?? |
| 20:19.03 | mmadia | !numapps |
| 20:19.04 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 20:28.22 | emmanuelp | !was_i_picked? |
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| 20:28.31 | emmanuelp | worths the shot :) |
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| 20:29.52 | smtms | emmanuelp, you weren't, sorry |
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| 20:34.52 | emmanuelp | smtms: you are not the bot, the bot knows I was, the bot knows everything |
| 20:35.33 | kblin | !learn was_i_picked as No! |
| 20:35.33 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:35.49 | kblin | >:) |
| 20:36.13 | smtms | !was_I_picked |
| 20:36.14 | socinfo | "was_I_picked" is No! |
| 20:36.23 | smtms | !yes |
| 20:36.23 | socinfo | "yes" is You are going to have a better chance (and more visibility) with mentors over in your desired org(s)'s channels or mailing lists. Have a look around their website for info, use google search, or even just type /join #<org> as many projects have their channels on freenode. |
| 20:37.02 | emmanuelp | hehe cool, I'll tell everybody that the bot knows the results already |
| 20:37.15 | emmanuelp | (sorry don't have a better way to spend the next 4 days :) ) |
| 20:38.09 | smtms | emmanuelp, there are thousands of open-source projects in existence and you don't have a better way to spend the next 4 days? ;-) |
| 20:38.46 | emmanuelp | too nervous to code right now :) |
| 20:39.02 | emmanuelp | jk, I'm actually cotributing already to the project I applied for |
| 20:39.05 | ScottMac | how do we give back a slot? |
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| 20:39.42 | emmanuelp | well, there wasn't really a project, I created it and I'm constantly pushing changes to a Git repo I created at my VPS for it |
| 20:39.48 | danderson | ScottMac: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGlKODNzVWhUcVdOVkhFbnpTOG9scnc6MQ |
| 20:40.09 | ScottMac | ah ok negative numbers |
| 20:40.17 | danderson | yeah. Low tech ftw! |
| 20:40.40 | gevaerts | Negative numbers are advanced mathematics! That's not low tech! |
| 20:40.41 | danderson | (and yet, the spreadsheet containing the results correctly computes the sum of all requests/returns :) |
| 20:41.39 | ScottMac | danderson: ok we've given one back |
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| 20:42.11 | danderson | ScottMac: thanks! |
| 20:42.35 | ScottMac | danderson: do we have a list of dupes? |
| 20:42.36 | ScottMac | anywhere |
| 20:42.47 | danderson | and that takes us down to approximately 4.5x more requests for slots than there are slots |
| 20:42.51 | danderson | sigh. |
| 20:43.24 | danderson | ScottMac: I do, somewhere. I don't think it's directly visible to orgs |
| 20:43.37 | ScottMac | we had a duplicate with nmap |
| 20:43.41 | danderson | but if the UI listing your students pending acceptance doesn't mention a conflict, you're good to go |
| 20:43.45 | ScottMac | and they got him somehow :P |
| 20:44.02 | danderson | were you at the dedup meeting yesterday? |
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| 20:44.12 | ScottMac | danderson: F8 was yesterday |
| 20:44.16 | ScottMac | we were a little busy :) |
| 20:44.16 | gevaerts | danderson: doesn't your spreadsheet have a random function to help with that? |
| 20:44.23 | danderson | I don't remember specifics, but if you weren't there, the student probably defaulted to nmap |
| 20:44.27 | danderson | checking logs. |
| 20:45.15 | ScottMac | most likely :) |
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| 20:45.34 | danderson | ScottMac: can I /query you? |
| 20:45.37 | ScottMac | sure |
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| 21:18.40 | dqminh | !log |
| 21:18.41 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 21:18.58 | dqminh | !logs |
| 21:18.59 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 21:56.00 | timClicks | I can't find in the user guide how students accept their positions |
| 21:57.33 | lucian | i can't find a way to accept positions. is it possible it isn't enabled yet? |
| 21:58.25 | timClicks | is it the case that "pending acceptance" means google's acceptance? |
| 22:00.30 | borja | timClicks: It means that, assuming nothing changes before April 26th, the student will be accepted |
| 22:02.06 | timClicks | borja: ah, okay |
| 22:02.10 | timClicks | borja: thanks |
| 22:02.49 | rafael | are they showing "pending acceptance" on the students' side? |
| 22:03.06 | carlasouza | rafael no |
| 22:03.28 | rafael | is it visible on the mentor side? |
| 22:03.31 | dho_plan9 | Yes. |
| 22:03.36 | dho_plan9 | Mentors and org admins |
| 22:03.38 | rafael | ok... |
| 22:03.43 | rafael | this wasn't visible before? |
| 22:04.09 | dho_plan9 | It has been visible since the current period. |
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| 22:04.10 | dho_plan9 | !next |
| 22:04.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 22:04.54 | rafael | you mean since slots were first allotted? |
| 22:05.43 | dho_plan9 | Correct. |
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| 22:08.05 | rafael | ok thnks |
| 22:08.07 | rafael | :) |
| 22:08.11 | dho_plan9 | No problem :) |
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