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| 03:09.03 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 03:12.08 | mmadia | !countdown |
| 03:12.08 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 04:35.57 | wh0ami | hi every1 |
| 04:39.02 | wh0ami | I have a little doubt: In the gsoc website, On the leftside I clicked on "submit my student proposal", and submitted my proposal, later the proposal is showing in my "List my proposal", Am I done with submitting the proposal to my organization or there is still any thing left ?? |
| 04:39.35 | skbohra_ | wh0ami: done |
| 04:39.50 | skbohra_ | wh0ami: you can edit it till 9th april , though |
| 04:40.06 | wh0ami | skbohra_: thnks |
| 04:40.12 | skbohra_ | np |
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| 05:09.06 | try0003 | I have a problem wiht the school type field. I don't realy know if my program should be apply to a High-school or a University. |
| 05:09.29 | skbohra_ | try0003: university i think |
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| 05:11.43 | try0003 | skbohra_: thanks |
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| 05:41.11 | konza | where can i get good project ideas? |
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| 05:41.47 | LawG | konza: Your brain ;] |
| 05:41.56 | Catfish_Man | I seem to have misplaced the John Cage Engine |
| 05:41.59 | Catfish_Man | anyone have a link? |
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| 05:53.01 | konza | where should we submit our proposals, if i am selecting a project from the ideas list |
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| 05:54.50 | konza | where should we submit our proposals, if i am selecting a project from the ideas list |
| 05:54.55 | konza | pls help |
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| 06:14.24 | ojwb | konza: in the web application |
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| 06:16.49 | konza | ojwb, is it in the gsoc web site ---------- 'list my student proposal'? |
| 06:17.28 | ojwb | konza: well, that lists one you've already submitted... |
| 06:17.49 | ojwb | isn't signed up as a student, so can't see the exact wording |
| 06:18.07 | ojwb | but there should be a link on the left for submitting a new application |
| 06:18.56 | konza | ojwb, yeah... i found it... if i click on an organization name i can see a web application.... |
| 06:19.31 | konza | ojwb, but thats for submitting a new proposal rite? i want to select a project from the list of ideas .. |
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| 06:20.39 | konza | ojwb, can u tell how it can be done? pls |
| 06:20.52 | ojwb | konza: you write a proposal based on the idea from the list |
| 06:20.54 | ojwb | then submit it there |
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| 06:21.22 | ojwb | or based on your own idea if you prefer |
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| 06:21.58 | konza | ojwb, ok... thnx |
| 06:23.51 | try0003 | So what kind of programing do you applied for ? |
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| 06:30.07 | konza | ojwb, if i am selecting a project from the ideas list, should i fill all the fields in the submission form.... |
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| 09:01.21 | ajuonline | safal_soni: smtms just entered the channel, thats whats going on for now :P |
| 09:02.31 | safal_soni | what abt gsoc-10 |
| 09:03.36 | ajuonline | its ON! |
| 09:03.58 | smtms | what's gsoc-10? |
| 09:04.36 | safal_soni | soccer |
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| 09:49.20 | |Kev| | No, won't. |
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| 09:55.55 | |Kev| | Morning to you too, kblin :) |
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| 09:56.19 | kblin | again I'm fascinated how much communities around commercial open source projects tend to suck :) |
| 09:56.26 | kblin | morning |Kev| |
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| 09:58.19 | dreimark | hi |
| 09:58.29 | xkfjhxijh | yoyo |
| 09:58.41 | xkfjhxijh | yey |
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| 10:00.13 | ajuonline | kblin: tell me about it :P |
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| 10:00.35 | ajuonline | kblin: but what suckiness did you notice/ |
| 10:00.37 | ajuonline | ? |
| 10:01.17 | kblin | ajuonline: I'm trying to add a couple of external libraries to the android platform |
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| 10:01.39 | kblin | and there's not even an irc channel where questions about the NDK are on topic |
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| 10:03.36 | kblin | there's #android-dev, but that's about building java apps for dalvik |
| 10:04.20 | bawr | kblin: Wait, what? There's no #android-os or something? :/ |
| 10:04.20 | ajuonline | but people there should know, no mailing list either? i am sure there is, |
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| 10:04.48 | kblin | nope |
| 10:05.11 | kblin | ajuonline: there's a mailing list, I'm currently trying that |
| 10:05.49 | kblin | but I like how people in #android-dev bitch at you for being off-topic and send you to #android, where people will bitch at you for being off-topic |
| 10:06.38 | x` | :) |
| 10:07.30 | ajuonline | lol |
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| 10:08.27 | kblin | makes you really feel at home in the community |
| 10:08.30 | bawr | Also, I take offense to that. There's quite a few good communities out there. There's #python, there's suckless, there's... |
| 10:08.33 | bawr | Uhh. |
| 10:08.37 | bawr | Well. |
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| 10:09.01 | kblin | bawr: python was started as a commercial project? |
| 10:10.06 | kblin | bawr: my observation is that many open source projects that get started by a company and then opened up to a "wider community" tend to have unfriendly communities |
| 10:10.17 | kblin | they tend to get over that over time |
| 10:10.40 | bawr | kblin: I meant #python specifically, where - for example - the standard response to thread questions is "why do you think you need threads?". But I missed how it was about company-originated stuff. |
| 10:10.42 | bawr | My bad. |
| 10:12.04 | ajuonline | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.14 | kblin | bawr: I'm not too fond about the #python folks |
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| 10:13.14 | kblin | at least if you're past beginner-level and know _what_ you need to do to get the job done, and just want to find the best way on _how_ to do it |
| 10:14.07 | kblin | using your example, if you can provide a perfectly good answer on why you actually need threads, and the next answer is "but threads suck, you shouldn't be using them" |
| 10:14.27 | kblin | I can code up an eliza-bot to have those conversations |
| 10:14.52 | bawr | But the next nswer isn't that. Or at least wasn't that when I was around... but I agree, threads are really hated in #python. |
| 10:15.13 | kblin | bawr: I had this with another question some days ago |
| 10:15.34 | bawr | Then again, hating threads isn't necessarily a bad default. ;) |
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| 10:15.53 | kblin | I asked if it was possible to get at the calling function's stack from a called function |
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| 10:16.50 | bawr | I guess our experiences were just different, then. Then again, I rarely ask about Python stuff in #python. |
| 10:17.03 | kblin | so people asked me why I needed that, and I explained that I'm experimenting with a python-based build system, but want to keep the syntax as close to the old system as possible to keep the learning curve gentle for the other devs |
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| 10:18.16 | kblin | and it's not helping if you get replies like "python-based build systems all suck, use autoconf" or "make the other devs learn python" |
| 10:18.35 | ajuonline | kblin: unfriendly, coz the guys who started it, have a sense, that they "own" the project? |
| 10:18.36 | bawr | Ouch. I rest my case. |
| 10:19.16 | bawr | I mean, damn, that's one of the few reasons when someone wanted to do that and actually had a good reason. |
| 10:20.17 | kblin | bawr: I mean, I wouldn't bother with looking at another build system if autoconf did all I wanted, and I wouldn't try to keep the syntax close to the old build system if my developers were hot about learning python |
| 10:20.48 | bawr | Yeah, I hear ya. |
| 10:20.53 | kblin | sighs |
| 10:21.22 | kblin | you can figure all of this stuff out by yourself, just takes more time |
| 10:22.31 | kblin | ajuonline: different reasons, I think. with android, my guess is that most core devs are google employees and don't hang out on IRC at all, so everybody on IRC is just a clueless newb as well :) |
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| 10:23.23 | bawr | Well, #python failed you, no argument there. But I dare say that in principle, asking people about their reasons for doing complicated stuff is a good default. Cuts down on the homework questions and all. ;) |
| 10:23.51 | kblin | bawr: I agree there |
| 10:24.05 | SukhE | Is it acceptable if I club two ideas together from the idea list of my org and then club them into a single proposal? Since if I did one idea, it would not do justice to time for development we have. My mentor is OK with that, but I had another mentor (who says he is new), ask me this. I just wanted to confirm whether this is a OK practise or frowned upon. |
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| 10:24.37 | SukhE | The ideas are unrelated though. |
| 10:24.43 | kblin | SukhE: you can propose anything you like to the mentoring org |
| 10:25.27 | kblin | SukhE: google doesn't really impose many restrictions |
| 10:25.30 | SukhE | Ok. I just wanted to confirm since the other mentor asked me whether it was ok to club two unrelated proposals into a single idea. |
| 10:26.00 | SukhE | All right. Thank you. |
| 10:26.10 | kblin | well, the proposals would probably prefer a more gentle handling, but there's nothing against this in principle |
| 10:26.22 | bawr | It is, if you can still pull it off, basically. |
| 10:26.51 | kblin | if you think you can finish all you proposed in three months, and your mentors think that as well, you're good :) |
| 10:27.01 | SukhE | That is cool. I told him I did agree that they were unrelated, but both would benefit the community. |
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| 10:27.40 | kblin | SukhE: no problems form the GSoC side of things |
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| 10:28.00 | SukhE | kblin: Thanks. I wanted to confirm that only. |
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| 10:29.19 | kblin | bawr: anyway, it might have been just bad luck on that particular day |
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| 11:08.02 | Snap | can someone tell me when you submit your proposal then how do you get reviews from mentor? |
| 11:08.08 | Snap | do you send you an email |
| 11:08.28 | smtms | Snap, they add comments to the proposal in the web application |
| 11:08.57 | smtms | Snap, you can get an e-mail for every comment added, if you subscribe for update notifications |
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| 11:09.11 | Snap | thankyou smtms |
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| 12:05.03 | Annaa | http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382218 do my breasts look to big? |
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| 12:07.05 | kblin | meh |
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| 12:08.00 | kblin | whoops |
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| 12:08.24 | ajuonline | .*? |
| 12:08.28 | kblin | there we go |
| 12:08.29 | ajuonline | ah ok. u fixed it :P |
| 12:08.29 | danderson | bah, not much point |
| 12:08.34 | danderson | probably klined already |
| 12:08.34 | kblin | danderson: true |
| 12:09.32 | kblin | right, working on my reflexes for the student application deadline ;) |
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| 12:10.08 | smtms | what will happen then? |
| 12:10.25 | ajuonline | we should just have a bot op that does that. detect keywords and kick/ban :P |
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| 12:12.31 | danderson | no, please, no more bots |
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| 12:14.45 | kblin | hehe |
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| 14:05.00 | josipl | Is it ok if our layout of our proposal deviates from the template given by organisation, or have supposed to follow them strictly? |
| 14:05.31 | infinity0 | depends on the organisation and how much you deviate from it |
| 14:05.35 | infinity0 | :p |
| 14:05.41 | infinity0 | use your own judgement |
| 14:05.51 | danderson | josipl: that's completely up to the org. I would ask them if you have doubts. |
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| 14:09.15 | josipl | I guess it's ok then since I have all the parts they mentioned in the template. |
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| 14:11.06 | wombawomba | So I've found a project I'd like to apply for, and like a few of the ideas they've proposed. However I'm unsure how to proceed with the application from here. Naturally I'd like to write as good an application as possible. Any tips? |
| 14:11.28 | rwatson | wombawomba: start with the organization's proposal template |
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| 14:11.36 | rwatson | wombawomba: it should give you ideas about what sorts of things to include |
| 14:11.59 | rwatson | wombawomba: at least for freebsd, we like proposals to illustrate a concrete understanding of the problem being solved, so background reading is necessary to write a good proposal |
| 14:12.03 | rwatson | wombawomba: I can't imagine that other projects are different in this regard |
| 14:13.09 | wombawomba | so what kind of background reading should I do? look at the code and try to figure out what I would do? |
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| 14:13.45 | pygi | rwatson, hey, you're from bsd?! |
| 14:13.59 | rwatson | pygi: 'fraid so. what's up? :-) |
| 14:14.45 | pygi | rwatson, do you want the best burning app ever working perfectly on freebsd as a proposal? :D |
| 14:15.12 | wombawomba | also, is writing several applications for the same project a good or bad thing? |
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| 14:15.25 | pygi | wombawomba, I'd say bad. But use your own judgement. |
| 14:15.45 | ajuonline | wombawomba: you mean, then decide which one's better and submit just ONE or ALL? :P |
| 14:15.55 | pygi | shoots ajuonline |
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| 14:15.58 | pygi | stop confusing people ČD |
| 14:15.59 | pygi | :D |
| 14:16.03 | ajuonline | =) |
| 14:16.05 | rwatson | wombawomba: depends. for the freebsd project, we don't mind multiple proposals as long as each is well-written. because we find a lot of students cluster on a small number of ideas, multiple proposals can help you avoid the problem of being the second best of ten excellent proposals for one idea |
| 14:16.28 | rwatson | pygi: I don't know much about that topic, but I can't imagine that we wouldn't be pleased to see the proposal if it involved a nice summer's worth of work and had obvious benefits to our users. :-) |
| 14:16.37 | ajuonline | oh right, project. i assumed he said, project idea. mentoring organisation is the right term tho :P |
| 14:16.57 | rwatson | wombawomba: for us, a bad case scenario is three excellent students all writing one proposal each for a single idea, and having to reject two of them. |
| 14:16.59 | wombawomba | ah, sorry about that ajuonline |
| 14:17.06 | rwatson | wombawomba: if they'd proposed different ideas, we might have been able to take all of them. |
| 14:17.22 | rwatson | wombawomba: so we encourage proposals not from our ideas list, and we encourage good candidates to submit a couple of proposals if they're going to stick to ideas list ideas |
| 14:17.23 | pulkit | why no one is answering on sip irc |
| 14:17.33 | wombawomba | rwatson: right, that's what I'd like to avoid |
| 14:17.43 | ajuonline | wombawomba: talk to the organisation about your plans, in ideal case, they'd ask your preference, or mention it in your applications. which one you'd like doing first, |
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| 14:17.53 | rwatson | wombawomba: mind you, ten proposals would be overkill by a significant way. |
| 14:17.54 | rwatson | :-) |
| 14:18.11 | rwatson | thinks "talk to the org" is always good advice |
| 14:18.19 | ajuonline | whats the max number of proposals a single student has submitted, ever? |
| 14:18.19 | kblin | yeah |
| 14:18.28 | wombawomba | hah yeah I dont have the time for that anyway |
| 14:18.34 | kblin | ajuonline: 20, probably |
| 14:18.40 | rwatson | wombawomba: I think 2 proposals, both well written, can't hurt you. |
| 14:18.46 | kblin | ajuonline: all to /dev/null, I guess |
| 14:18.49 | rwatson | wombawomba: what you want to avoid is reducing quality when increasing quality. |
| 14:18.54 | ajuonline | yeah, i'd say that too :P |
| 14:19.12 | ajuonline | rwatson: one of those word was supposed to be quantity ? |
| 14:19.20 | rwatson | er. yes. |
| 14:19.25 | rwatson | exercise to the reader deciding which. :-) |
| 14:19.54 | tzikis | rwatson: lol |
| 14:20.01 | infinity0 | wombawomba: if there are multiple students going for the same topic, then our org have been recommended students do a few proposals |
| 14:20.05 | infinity0 | but ask your org |
| 14:20.18 | infinity0 | recommending* |
| 14:20.58 | wombawomba | by the way, is there a cap on how many students a single organization can accept? |
| 14:21.04 | kblin | man, svn really misses a grep command ;) |
| 14:21.26 | kblin | wombawomba: yeah, we can only accept as many as we have slots |
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| 14:21.38 | kblin | !slots |
| 14:21.38 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 14:21.42 | kblin | wombawomba: ^^^ |
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| 14:22.23 | wombawomba | ah okay |
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| 14:26.20 | ajuonline | kblin: isnt accepting of students, a process decided by Melange? mentors rank. google puts in slot counts. and voila? |
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| 14:26.42 | rwatson | ajuonline: mentor organizations may have their own selection process and just map the results into melange |
| 14:26.49 | kblin | ajuonline: right, but that's not what wombawomba was asking about |
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| 14:27.01 | rwatson | ajuonline: nothing requires organizations to use the tool in any specific way other than that the top students in the eventual ranking are the ones selected |
| 14:27.15 | ajuonline | ah right, |
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| 14:32.02 | rwatson | ajuonline: (although I suspect many orgs do simply use its voting scheme) |
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| 14:35.42 | ajuonline | rwatson: that mechanism can be highly unfair at times :P |
| 14:36.04 | rwatson | ajuonline: yes. we've found it useful for gathering comments but unhelpful for ranking applications. |
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| 14:43.00 | kblin | depends on how big your org is, I guess |
| 14:43.05 | kblin | works fine with three mentors :) |
| 14:43.26 | Nightrose | doesn't work so well with > 50 ;-) |
| 14:44.03 | Nightrose | we're using a shared but private google spreadsheet to sort out ranking among the sub-teams |
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| 14:44.14 | safal_soni | is python a prog. language for AI |
| 14:44.16 | Nightrose | and then the admins do the ranking accordingly at the end in melange |
| 14:44.53 | ajuonline | what factors do you consider when deciding? |
| 14:44.56 | ajuonline | i mean, ranking, |
| 14:45.54 | Nightrose | necessity for the whole project, how badly the sub-team wants it, how well the sub-team has mentored in previous years, comments on the proposals |
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| 14:46.18 | safal_soni | anyone plz tell me that is python a prog. language for AI? |
| 14:46.28 | ajuonline | safal_soni: it is a programming language. period. |
| 14:47.02 | ajuonline | i think it would be safe to assume & say, you can use it for anything? |
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| 14:47.19 | Nightrose | can you use it to get pink ponies? |
| 14:47.33 | adimania | NIghtrose :D |
| 14:47.36 | ajuonline | Nightrose: and where does the student get assessed? what factors i mean :P |
| 14:47.55 | ajuonline | Nightrose: yeah :P |
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| 14:48.24 | adimania | safal_soni : type "python" on google and hit search button. You'll get your answers |
| 14:48.27 | kblin | Nightrose: from wishlist import Pony |
| 14:48.33 | infinity0 | ajuonline: are you asking for the org you're applying to, Nightrose's org, or orgs in general? |
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| 14:48.48 | kblin | my_pony = Pony(color="pink") |
| 14:48.53 | ajuonline | infinity0: just random chit chat :P |
| 14:49.00 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 14:49.17 | Nightrose | ajuonline: "how badly the sub-team wants it" |
| 14:49.53 | Nightrose | this includes how good the student likely is, how well written the proposal is and so on |
| 14:49.59 | Nightrose | kblin: :D |
| 14:50.10 | ajuonline | ok. i thought "it"==> the project's need to be done. |
| 14:50.19 | Nightrose | well that too |
| 14:50.36 | ideamonk | safal_soni, Peter Norvig has done some great AI work in Python - http://code.google.com/p/aima-python/ |
| 14:50.48 | Nightrose | foods and watches a movie |
| 14:50.51 | Nightrose | laters |
| 14:51.03 | safal_soni | adimania:thanks a lot |
| 14:51.09 | ideamonk | safal_soni, http://norvig.com/python-lisp.html |
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| 14:53.46 | kblin | bawr: btw, compared to my experience with #python, the folks on #python-dev are exceptionally helpful :) |
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| 15:16.10 | shreyas | is there a min/max limit on the no of words in your application |
| 15:16.16 | shreyas | how many does your's hace |
| 15:16.27 | thiago | whose? |
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| 15:28.21 | josipl | submission interfaces keeps saying "malformed start tag at line 1, column 33" when I submit my proposal :/ |
| 15:29.32 | smtms | josipl, did you edit the HTML by hand? |
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| 15:30.18 | josipl | smtms: yes, but I just "solved" it by removing @ sign :/ |
| 15:31.37 | smtms | josipl, a single @ sign? |
| 15:32.13 | mess110 | I am looking around for some info on mongodb. is there anyone that can answer one question for me? |
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| 15:33.46 | josipl | smtms: yep, it was between diamond brackets (which in html were saved as </>) I guess the text editor got confused |
| 15:33.55 | smtms | mess110, this is not mongo's IRC channel |
| 15:35.12 | mess110 | smtms: I know. but it is related to gsoc. sorry if I disturbed. was lookin for a 'quick fix' I'll get back to searching |
| 15:37.21 | josipl | Are we supposed to notify the organisation after we've submitted the proposal? |
| 15:37.36 | smtms | josipl, no need |
| 15:37.46 | rajat | i guess its the org that you are submitting to, so u already did it |
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| 15:38.31 | shreyas | i meant how many words are your propasal approximately, that'll gimme a gud idea of how much mine should be approximately |
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| 15:41.11 | safal_soni | shreyas:500 characters |
| 15:41.35 | smtms | safal_soni, how many words? |
| 15:41.49 | safal_soni | 500 chars |
| 15:42.04 | safal_soni | so u can think abt words |
| 15:42.57 | josipl | shreyas: mine proposal has 413 words. |
| 15:43.55 | safal_soni | smtms:where do u live? |
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| 15:44.08 | smtms | safal_soni, guess |
| 15:44.23 | safal_soni | pakistan |
| 15:44.57 | smtms | is this where all terrorists come from? |
| 15:44.59 | safal_soni | smtms:tell |
| 15:45.37 | safal_soni | smtms:the stats say so |
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| 16:14.53 | safal_soni | hugo_br:hi |
| 16:15.07 | safal_soni | hugo_br:intro please |
| 16:15.46 | hugo_br | safal_soni: what? |
| 16:16.05 | safal_soni | hugo_br:introduction please |
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| 16:16.48 | shuffle2 | ??? |
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| 16:33.44 | dheeraj | hi all |
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| 16:34.25 | bawr | Greetings. |
| 16:34.48 | safal_soni | bawr:greetings to u too |
| 16:35.41 | dheeraj | just now i signed in into gsoc account. i got directly link id. i didn't mentioned any of my details like college, student all these as said by my friend. what should i do to fill these details? |
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| 16:36.55 | Ian_Corne | http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile |
| 16:36.58 | Ian_Corne | there dheeraj |
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| 16:37.34 | dheeraj | Ian_Corne: ok i'll go through it. |
| 16:38.47 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 16:40.27 | dheeraj | Ian_Corne: i got the same 'modify existing user profile dheeraj' page. |
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| 16:41.12 | dheeraj | Ian_Corne: i just entered link id and public name. what should i do to enter my full details into my profile? |
| 16:41.25 | bawr | kblin: I'm glad to hear that. Patching the interpreter, or just being curious? |
| 16:42.31 | bawr | josipl: 412 words? I guess you have a terse timeline. :) |
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| 16:50.54 | safal_soni | dheeraj:register to #gsov |
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| 17:07.53 | siri11 | dheeraj: Got your problem solved??? |
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| 17:08.39 | lolfrenz | cheezburgerz. |
| 17:08.49 | epps | and lolcats |
| 17:09.11 | lolfrenz | we are all lolfrenz here |
| 17:09.53 | bawr | I'm not your friend, buddy/ |
| 17:10.10 | lolfrenz | lolbuddiz? |
| 17:11.14 | bawr | I'm not your buddy, guy. ;P |
| 17:11.49 | lolfrenz | lolguise is my final offer. |
| 17:12.34 | bawr | I might as well take it before things get recutsive. |
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| 17:18.38 | dheeraj | safal_soni: i am new to this channel and gsoc. how to register to #gsoc? |
| 17:18.52 | josipl | bawr: (regerding 412 words) I thought that proposal should be as concrete as possible? |
| 17:19.01 | Catfish_Man | !faq |
| 17:19.01 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 17:19.10 | Catfish_Man | dheeraj: that link has the information you need |
| 17:19.16 | Catfish_Man | oh wait, unless you meant like nickserv identify |
| 17:19.23 | Catfish_Man | for that do /msg NickServ help |
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| 17:20.39 | shuffle2 | Catfish_Man: do you look like a catfish? i'm confused |
| 17:20.51 | shuffle2 | i cannot imagine a catfish-looking person |
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| 17:21.26 | Catfish_Man | shuffle2: http://dscoder.com/catfishman.jpg |
| 17:21.47 | Catfish_Man | (yay photoshop :) ) |
| 17:21.59 | shuffle2 | ...i see |
| 17:22.28 | shuffle2 | aw, got me excited |
| 17:22.34 | shuffle2 | thought ds = nintendo ds ;p |
| 17:22.57 | bawr | josipl: Actually, let me check something. |
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| 17:24.15 | bawr | Well, a naive wc says 732 here, that's not counting the abstract, and I still didn't feel the details section, but YMMV. |
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| 17:24.24 | bawr | For reference: |
| 17:24.25 | bawr | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/bawr/t127006308673 |
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| 17:27.19 | josipl | bawr: oh, I don't even have the timeline part (it wasn't in template), I mainly focused on implementation. |
| 17:27.46 | bawr | Ahh. Well, my org required a timeline. |
| 17:27.47 | hugo_br | bawr: nice proposal |
| 17:28.01 | hugo_br | I need a timeline too, and didn't make it yet |
| 17:28.13 | bawr | Thanks. I'm only filing one, so I'm trying to make it count. :) |
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| 17:30.31 | safal_soni | nmudgal:kaise |
| 17:31.45 | nmudgal | safal_soni: google jaise ! Tum kaise ? |
| 17:32.28 | safal_soni | waise -2 |
| 17:32.53 | fabiosl | hey felipevieira! |
| 17:33.20 | fabiosl | purpose ready? |
| 17:33.48 | fabiosl | !countdown |
| 17:33.48 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 17:33.58 | felipevieira | fabiosl almost, what about yours? |
| 17:34.19 | fabiosl | felipevieira, yup... ready. :D |
| 17:35.01 | felipevieira | an efficient guy, that's what you are, fabiosl |
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| 17:35.22 | fabiosl | lol, felipevieira =P |
| 17:36.05 | felipevieira | fabiosl, good luck to us, looking forward to see our approval. (: |
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| 17:37.17 | fabiosl | felipevieira, and from our friend amaurymedeiros too. :D |
| 17:37.53 | felipevieira | sure, fabiosl (: |
| 17:38.02 | felipevieira | !next |
| 17:38.02 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 17:38.50 | spsneo | !next |
| 17:38.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 17:40.46 | venus_ | with respect the idea EmenciPay of Berkman organisation what actually we have to submit |
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| 17:46.46 | venus_ | with respect to the idea EmanciPay of Berkman organisation what actually we have to submit?? |
| 17:47.32 | dhaun | venus_: before you ask a third time, please ask the org |
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| 17:48.38 | skbohra | looks around |
| 17:48.48 | sew | ol |
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| 17:54.53 | CyberTooth | <msg><adimania> <hello> |
| 17:55.08 | CyberTooth | <msg> adimania hello |
| 17:55.16 | adimania | hello CyberTooth |
| 17:55.20 | Catfish_Man | … |
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| 17:59.13 | thebolt | Hi all |
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| 18:01.30 | aigs | is it possible to see other student's applications? |
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| 18:03.08 | bawr | aigs: If they're public and they give you a link, yes. Like this: |
| 18:03.10 | bawr | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/bawr/t127006308673 |
| 18:03.14 | bawr | ;) |
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| 18:03.34 | int3 | so it's security through obscurity, huh |
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| 18:04.37 | shuffle2 | nice nick int3 :P |
| 18:04.57 | int3 | thanks ;) |
| 18:06.25 | bawr | int3: How does it feel?> You can only store what, 8 values? ;) |
| 18:06.46 | shuffle2 | i think it is rather int 3, in asm |
| 18:06.48 | shuffle2 | ? |
| 18:06.50 | Catfish_Man | bawr: int3 is an instruction, not a C type ;) |
| 18:07.05 | int3 | http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/int3.htm |
| 18:07.06 | Catfish_Man | bawr: http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/int3.htm |
| 18:07.13 | Catfish_Man | haha nice timing |
| 18:07.13 | bawr | Catfish_Man: I blame C. |
| 18:07.17 | bawr | I always blame C. |
| 18:07.28 | shuffle2 | C is perfection! |
| 18:07.47 | bawr | I love it, but I blame it none the less. |
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| 18:08.36 | aigs | thanks for your answer bawr |
| 18:10.08 | xnox | GObject + C = magic pixie dust |
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| 18:10.43 | Catfish_Man | shuffle2: little known "goes to" syntax in C: while (x --> 0) { printf("%d", x); } |
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| 18:12.03 | bawr | Aww/ |
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| 18:13.55 | shuffle2 | hum, i don't see that on wikipedia :s |
| 18:14.02 | int3 | ... |
| 18:14.10 | int3 | c'mon :P |
| 18:14.19 | shuffle2 | i do enjoy ... in case statements in gcc tho |
| 18:14.28 | shuffle2 | too bad i use msvc most of the time ;p |
| 18:14.40 | int3 | damn, i didn't know about that one |
| 18:14.42 | shuffle2 | was that a joke? i missed it |
| 18:15.04 | int3 | it's a joke (that behaves as you expect)... just look more closely |
| 18:15.14 | Catfish_Man | shuffle2: it parses as while(x-- > 0) |
| 18:15.14 | shuffle2 | oh :D |
| 18:15.17 | shuffle2 | yaya |
| 18:15.34 | WBGSCR | i am filling gsoc student application form now. i didnt get what to write in "im handle" column in it. can anyone help me in this regard? |
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| 18:15.45 | Catfish_Man | WBGSCR: do you use instant messaging? |
| 18:15.53 | Catfish_Man | XMPP, AIM, MSN, etc... |
| 18:16.01 | |Kev| | XMPP > * |
| 18:16.10 | |Kev| | goes back to lurking |
| 18:16.20 | shuffle2 | i didnt know you could have whitspace between a var and -- |
| 18:16.21 | Catfish_Man | you have that on highlight don't you |
| 18:16.25 | shuffle2 | silly |
| 18:16.32 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: No, but good idea. |
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| 18:17.41 | bawr | |Kev|: I like IRC for synchronous communication, email for asynchronous talks, that's enough for me. |
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| 18:18.29 | WBGSCR | Catfish_Man: ok. thank you. i got what to write der now |
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| 18:22.46 | siri1 | WBGSCR: hello.. |
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| 18:23.10 | siri1 | dheeraj_g: lol |
| 18:23.18 | WBGSCR | siri1: hai |
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| 18:30.45 | Waren | yo |
| 18:31.25 | bawr | Hello. |
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| 18:33.28 | dan_ww | hi all. i have had an application withdrawn before finishing the application, i'd like to ask if anyone knows what the best policy on this is. |
| 18:33.47 | Catfish_Man | you're a mentor then? |
| 18:34.07 | dan_ww | I had saved an application and was doing some research in preparation for completing it but it was withdrawn |
| 18:34.10 | dan_ww | no I am a student |
| 18:34.29 | Catfish_Man | so... someone or something else withdrew your proposal? |
| 18:34.45 | Catfish_Man | I didn't even realize the webapp had a concept of withdrawn |
| 18:34.56 | dan_ww | it must have been the mentoring org that cancelled my application |
| 18:35.15 | Catfish_Man | you should ask them then |
| 18:35.25 | Nightrose | dan_ww: talk to your org - maybe it was marked ineligible |
| 18:35.26 | Catfish_Man | they may not have realized you weren't finished |
| 18:35.30 | Nightrose | they can unmark it then |
| 18:35.47 | dan_ww | it will be possible for them to re-enlist my application? |
| 18:35.48 | |Kev| | If you submit an application saying something like "Hey, I'd lik eto do this project", but don't say "I'll finish this later", or such, the guidelines are to mark it ineligible. |
| 18:36.06 | Nightrose | dan_ww: if you ask them yes |
| 18:36.11 | dan_ww | |Kev|: thanks thats what i needed to know. |
| 18:36.12 | |Kev| | dan_ww: yes, they can un-ineligible it. |
| 18:36.17 | dan_ww | Nightrose: thx |
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| 18:38.56 | bawr | So submitting early and often does have a downside? ;) |
| 18:39.09 | |Kev| | Only if you make it look like your app is spam. |
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| 18:39.30 | |Kev| | I imagine leaving 'WIP' at the top of the app is plenty to stop it being marked ineligible. |
| 18:39.34 | bawr | Well, I talked with my org before submitting, so it was kind of a non-issue for me. |
| 18:40.26 | bawr | Then again, my org of choice is pretty small, things could get hairy inside bigger orgs, I guess. |
| 18:40.37 | smtms | "This is a draft. Do NOT mark it ineligible, you moron!" |
| 18:40.38 | Migi32 | hey everyone. I know 1000 students got accepted last year, but I wonder: how many applied? |
| 18:40.49 | |Kev| | ~=7000 |
| 18:40.54 | |Kev| | (I think) |
| 18:41.07 | Migi32 | oh, so my chances are ~1/7 |
| 18:41.12 | Migi32 | reasonable ^^ |
| 18:41.24 | smtms | Migi32, your chances are 6/7 |
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| 18:41.40 | bawr | smtms: Proposal spam was *that* bad? |
| 18:41.50 | |Kev| | Migi32: your chances go up considerably for having bothered to join this channel and think about what you're doing. |
| 18:42.17 | Migi32 | I actually thought there would be way more. I mean, US$5000 :o |
| 18:42.37 | smtms | Migi32, it was $4500 last year |
| 18:42.43 | bawr | Migi32: Nah, it's all the t-shirt. |
| 18:42.51 | |Kev| | I doubt the $500 was the tippping point. |
| 18:42.53 | Migi32 | bawr, definitely :) |
| 18:43.13 | smtms | bawr, his chances of not getting in are 6/7 |
| 18:43.37 | Migi32 | but I'm going to hang out on #gcc now, getting to know the project I'm applying for ;)µ |
| 18:44.02 | Migi32 | i need that t-shirt! ;) |
| 18:44.03 | Catfish_Man | ooh, going for gcc? |
| 18:44.06 | bawr | Hey, I even listed the t-shirt as a big motivational point in my application. ;) |
| 18:44.07 | Migi32 | yep |
| 18:44.24 | Catfish_Man | good luck, there'll not be much competition there I suspect ;) |
| 18:44.38 | bawr | smtms: Why so pessimistic? |
| 18:45.01 | Migi32 | no? gcc looks like it's among the most interesting of them all |
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| 18:45.27 | int3 | but hard, too |
| 18:45.27 | bawr | And it's certainly not the easiest. |
| 18:45.52 | Catfish_Man | Migi32: it's hard though. We've gotten a LOT of "how do I find the easiest project?" question shere |
| 18:45.56 | Catfish_Man | *questions here |
| 18:45.57 | int3 | with the traffic on the mailing lists i've checked out, i'm surprised that there were 7k apps |
| 18:46.09 | Catfish_Man | a bit of ambition and skill go a long way :) |
| 18:46.17 | Catfish_Man | anyway, gotta go |
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| 18:47.14 | bawr | i wish someone asked how to find a project that's just a bit too hard for them, forcing them to grow more brain. ;) |
| 18:47.38 | thebolt | to quote Edison.. "Genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspiration. " ;) |
| 18:47.46 | thebolt | goes for GSOC as well i think :P |
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| 18:56.57 | bawr | Come to think of it, if I got in, it would be the longest haul I have ever been in for. |
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| 19:04.26 | skbohra | is waiting for a review on his proposal on soc site |
| 19:04.48 | bawr | Did you contact your org? |
| 19:04.59 | skbohra | yeah |
| 19:05.07 | Dark_Shikari | "two students one application" is a so unintentionally funny |
| 19:05.25 | micahcowan | unintentionally, truly? |
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| 19:05.29 | Crofton | Dark_Shikari, :) |
| 19:05.36 | skbohra | bawr: though i have got good reviews on mailing list , i am waiting for first review on soc site |
| 19:05.44 | Dark_Shikari | ok, so maybe not unintentional. |
| 19:05.48 | micahcowan | I assumed it was intended, when I saw it (though it very well could not be). |
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| 19:06.06 | micahcowan | has never seen the vid. Doesn't particularly feel the need to. |
| 19:06.36 | skbohra | since last year too i didnt get any review in their ;) but got through |
| 19:06.48 | int3 | hmm |
| 19:06.53 | int3 | are repeat GSOC students quite common? |
| 19:07.08 | skbohra | int3: i think yeah |
| 19:07.10 | micahcowan | It's not uncommon |
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| 19:07.41 | int3 | cool |
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| 19:17.25 | carols | pops in for some tea on a rainy Sunday |
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| 19:18.40 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' carols |
| 19:18.47 | carols | evenin' MatthewWilkes |
| 19:18.57 | carols | serves MatthewWilkes some tea |
| 19:19.20 | MatthewWilkes | cheers - tea solves all the world's ills |
| 19:19.24 | MatthewWilkes | even horrendous hangovers |
| 19:19.27 | carols | cheers! |
| 19:19.29 | carols | :-) |
| 19:19.35 | carols | you can say that again. |
| 19:19.39 | skbohra | carols: muffins ? |
| 19:19.39 | carols | you got a hangover? |
| 19:19.53 | carols | oooh thanks skbohra! mmm muffins |
| 19:20.01 | carols | serves tea and muffins for everyone |
| 19:20.32 | xnox | "Dude where's my Hangover?" watch it on colledgehumor =) it's like split view of dude where is my car & Hangover with funny annotations |
| 19:20.47 | xnox | Yummmmm =) |
| 19:20.56 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Was out at my friend's engagement party til 5am |
| 19:20.59 | MatthewWilkes | Bit fragile :) |
| 19:21.00 | Ivanovic | carols: do you know if there are any bigger issues with the student application part at appspot? |
| 19:21.01 | micahcowan | SRabbelier, thanks, but it still seems to be demanding that I create a User Profile, and isn't showing my org (GNU) in the sidebar. :\ |
| 19:21.13 | Ivanovic | carols: that is: so far we got >20 possible proposals listed in our wiki |
| 19:21.17 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well, have some more tea i that case ;-) |
| 19:21.24 | Ivanovic | but only 4 of those commited their proposal into the google DB |
| 19:21.53 | carols | Ivanovic: I'm not aware of any...are you saying the students are running into trouble submitting? |
| 19:22.18 | Ivanovic | what i am saying is that it feels strange that just such a tiny number of students actually submitted their proposals to google |
| 19:22.27 | skbohra | i didnt get any such problem , everything is smooth as it seems |
| 19:22.46 | thebolt | hi carols , Ivanovic |
| 19:22.51 | carols | hey thebolt |
| 19:22.57 | Ivanovic | carols: just have a look at the amount of proposals submitted into our wiki so far: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas |
| 19:23.07 | Ivanovic | at google of those proposals only 4 are submitted |
| 19:23.46 | Ivanovic | (and yeah, we explicitly told the students to submit their proposal to google so that they are save in those regards, they can still continue fine tuning and talking to us) |
| 19:24.01 | carols | have you talked to any of the students who haven't submitted via melange, Ivanovic? have they said they're running into problems? |
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| 19:27.41 | carols | runs off for a sec to get her laundry |
| 19:27.42 | Ivanovic | carols: i have not explicitly asked students if things are not working |
| 19:30.10 | dhaun | we have a student who created a document with his proposal in Melange. I'm still not sure if he understands that that doesn't count as submitting a proposal ... |
| 19:30.17 | dhaun | language barrier :-/ |
| 19:30.32 | loupgaroublond | failure to read directions too |
| 19:30.58 | loupgaroublond | if you are an english speaking company and you hire someone who puts down on his resume that he understands and can comprehend english, especially written, and then fails to follow directions |
| 19:32.01 | skbohra | what that document thing is for? |
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| 19:32.40 | skbohra | i never created any document there |
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| 19:36.29 | Ivanovic | carols: submitting seems to work, though one student asked for the instructions about submission (since he was not able to find the link) |
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| 19:41.58 | carols | Ivanovic: I guess I have a stupid question in that case, which is are some of the students under the mistaken impression that submitting a proposal to your wiki is all they have to do? |
| 19:42.46 | |Kev| | Given the number of students trying to submit to the mailing list etc., that seems entirely plausible. |
| 19:42.53 | Ivanovic | carols: we explicitly state in our instructions that they have to submit to google, we have it set as topic in our dev chan (which we ask all students to join since this is where we do our work), we do say it as regular messages in the chan |
| 19:43.09 | |Kev| | Ivanovic: you think anyone reads that stuff? :) |
| 19:43.13 | Ivanovic | carols: i don't think there is anything else we can do to make students realize that they have to submit it |
| 19:43.30 | Ivanovic | |Kev|: at least they read the part about "join irc" |
| 19:43.37 | |Kev| | Fair enough. |
| 19:43.55 | carols | Ivanovic: yeah, I agree. i mean, short of emailing each one and telling them to do it, I think at some point you have to assume you can lead a horse to water... |
| 19:43.59 | shuffle2 | what is your org Ivanovic ? just curious :) |
| 19:44.05 | Ivanovic | shuffle2: wesnoth |
| 19:44.12 | bawr | Well... I'll be the cynic here. Are you sure you want those students who are unable to follow directions in the first place? |
| 19:44.28 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: :D |
| 19:44.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | that would probably disqualify 80% of all students, but then again probably only 20% gets a slot? |
| 19:45.07 | Ivanovic | bawr: that is why i asked carols to be sure that there is no "major problem" with melange stopping students from submitting their proposals |
| 19:45.26 | carols | not that I'm aware of, Ivanovic. ill let you know if i hear something, though |
| 19:45.28 | Ivanovic | since if there was a problem on googles side, it would explain things |
| 19:45.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 19:46.15 | bawr | Wolf_OSGeo: isn't hiring 10-20% of the candidates pretty standard for anything IT-related, anyway? |
| 19:46.32 | Ivanovic | carols: i think our "what you should do" list right above our idea list *should* be enough for the students so that they see what they should do |
| 19:46.36 | Ivanovic | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas#I_want_to_be_one_of_your_Google_Summer_of_Code_students.2C_what_should_I_do... |
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| 19:46.43 | micahcowan | 10% may be a liberal estimate |
| 19:46.58 | Ivanovic | and i think we are clear enough that submission to google is required |
| 19:47.05 | SRabbelier|Lappy | micahcowan: glad it's working now |
| 19:47.24 | micahcowan | SRabbelier|Lappy, thanks so much :) |
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| 19:47.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: you are probably right |
| 19:47.58 | carols | Ivanovic: I agree. it looks really thorough. based on the number of people who ask GSoC questions that are answered in the FAQ, though, I think some people just don't read those things... |
| 19:48.13 | Ivanovic | right |
| 19:48.16 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 19:48.21 | micahcowan | SRabbelier|Lappy, especially, thanks so much for such a quick response, on an Easter Sunday no less :) |
| 19:48.23 | Ivanovic | the mailling list was rather frightening this year... |
| 19:48.30 | bawr | I mean, I just don't see how someone with comprehension problems could turn in good work... communication is essential every step of the way, now? |
| 19:48.33 | bawr | *no? |
| 19:49.36 | MatthewWilkes | I don't get why so many excellent students don't apply because they think they're not good enough and the ones that actually aren't good enough half-ass applications |
| 19:50.03 | Ivanovic | somehow i got the impression that last year the students were stronger |
| 19:50.26 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i think they see this problem in academia too, with scholarships, no? people who just want free money apply and the really good applicants think they'll never get in because the competition is too stiff |
| 19:50.29 | Ivanovic | that is: it feels like we have by far more people proposing projects, but somehow the quality seems lower |
| 19:50.35 | |Kev| | We've only had 6 applications so far this year |
| 19:50.37 | sreich | it's likely due to the whole arrogance vs. modesty, I would think.. |
| 19:50.42 | |Kev| | but of those, only 1 I'd dismiss out of hand. |
| 19:50.47 | |Kev| | That's quite a good ratio. |
| 19:50.50 | bawr | MatthewWilkes: Word. I have a friend who's very, very good, but he just doesn't believe in himself. :/ |
| 19:50.57 | skbohra | Ivanovic: i seem to agree with you |
| 19:50.58 | bawr | I tried poking him, to no avail. :/ |
| 19:50.59 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Only 2 so far for us. At least 2 more are thinking about it, but that's still quite low compared to previous years |
| 19:51.43 | skbohra | Ivanovic: in our org too, I think the potential students arent upto the level |
| 19:51.49 | |Kev| | I don't remember how we did pre-deadline previously. |
| 19:51.59 | MatthewWilkes | bawr: You should see the email I sent to my university's whole CS department last year. It got at least 1 student to apply, get accepted and have a great time. |
| 19:52.12 | Ivanovic | we already discussed this in our mentors chan and we got the impression that it *might* be that more universities tell their students about SoC and the likes |
| 19:53.02 | bawr | MatthewWilkes: I have to admit I didn't think of spreading the word early enough. Next year, I really should. |
| 19:54.01 | MatthewWilkes | bawr: Sorry, 2 years ago. http://pastie.org/902948 |
| 19:54.21 | bawr | MatthewWilkes: What org are you with, anyway? I didn't see it, or I forgot. :) |
| 19:54.30 | MatthewWilkes | bawr: Plone |
| 19:54.41 | carols | i love the P.S., MatthewWilkes :-) |
| 19:54.54 | carols | i bet lh was happy about that |
| 19:54.56 | MatthewWilkes | Clearly I'm not being loud enough about it. Apply to Plone! |
| 19:55.00 | Ivanovic | yeah, the PS part is cool |
| 19:55.19 | MatthewWilkes | Most people comment on the fact I signed off with "hugs and kisses" :P |
| 19:55.38 | carols | wishes she could have been a GSoC student instead of working at the movie theatre when she was in college |
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| 19:56.03 | bawr | Plone? Wekk, you got me to finally check it out, and that's something. I usually tend to stay away from the web side of things. |
| 19:56.33 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I might apply in a couple of years if I can convince some other poor sap to send out the nagging emails instead of me ;) |
| 19:57.03 | bawr | 7p in english money, huh? |
| 19:57.05 | carols | MatthewWilkes: good luck with that. i've found the administration is always the job no one wants. :-) |
| 19:57.08 | bawr | :) |
| 19:57.54 | Ivanovic | though being org admin is not *this* much work... |
| 19:58.34 | |Kev| | Being an admin's a good few hours a week, I think. |
| 19:58.54 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I got volunteered by the previous admin. |
| 19:59.36 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: the military style of volunteering? :) |
| 19:59.36 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yeah, i think that's generally how it works. although in my case I actually volunteered for this job :-) |
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| 20:00.22 | bawr | Too much spare time? ;) |
| 20:00.33 | |Kev| | carols: this is your 20%? |
| 20:01.17 | carols | |Kev|: nope, it is my full time job to take care of GSoC in lh's place. although there is a lot of other stuff that OSPO does that I help with (conferences and the like) |
| 20:01.24 | |Kev| | Ah, excellent. |
| 20:01.32 | carols | i work for you :-) |
| 20:01.39 | |Kev| | I thought I'd ready about it being your 20%, and I got confused how you could cope in that. |
| 20:02.02 | carols | |Kev|: well, it was while lh was still around. now that she's gone i've transferred over to full time |
| 20:02.25 | |Kev| | Ah, understood. |
| 20:04.16 | carols | what's your day job, |Kev|? |
| 20:04.28 | ajuonline | feeds carols with chocolates & cookies |
| 20:04.39 | carols | wow, thanks ajuonline :-) |
| 20:04.47 | carols | serves some tea to ajuonline |
| 20:04.54 | ajuonline | ah awsome, |
| 20:05.04 | ajuonline | today is easter, right? |
| 20:05.07 | |Kev| | carols: Working for a company that sells messaging/directory/xmpp servers. I'm on the XMPP team. |
| 20:05.16 | carols | ajuonline: all day, i think :-) |
| 20:05.19 | thebolt | carols: quite a suit to fill up.. but I am sure you will do a great job. Too bad I am not involved this year, so no mentor summit this time :/ |
| 20:05.33 | ajuonline | thebolt: why not? |
| 20:05.39 | carols | |Kev|: cool. do you like it? |
| 20:06.05 | carols | thebolt: thank you. yes, a shame we won't meet at the summit. next year, though? |
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| 20:06.23 | Adityab | How do you write in blue? |
| 20:06.25 | |Kev| | I do, I only started in November, having previously been R&D writing card fraud detection software for banks. Quite a change, but XMPP's been my hobby for nearly a decade now, so all's good. |
| 20:06.49 | thebolt | carols: hope so, but i have to find a new organisation to mentor for ;) |
| 20:06.57 | MatthewWilkes | Adityab: Use blue ink. Most biros have it. |
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| 20:07.01 | carols | |Kev|: well, awesome then. :-) |
| 20:07.17 | thebolt | ajuonline: well, I am busy at the moment writing my msc thesis, starting a company and planning to move across the world again, just don't have time this year.. |
| 20:07.21 | Ivanovic | hmm, interesting question: would this project fit under "SoC"? |
| 20:07.22 | Ivanovic | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/A_SoC_JustasJ#4.29_Project |
| 20:07.29 | ajuonline | thebolt: which part now? |
| 20:07.29 | Adityab | :{ |
| 20:07.38 | Ivanovic | that is: most of the "write the campaign" is in our very own markup language |
| 20:07.44 | thebolt | ajuonline: and i no longer do 3d graphics stuff.. kind of lost interest |
| 20:07.50 | thebolt | ajuonline: back to Taiwan again |
| 20:08.15 | Ivanovic | though it does also include stuff like "create corresponding artwork" and "historical research" plus "write dialog sequences" |
| 20:08.21 | ajuonline | thebolt: err. i thought you *were* in Taiwan all this while :P where are yo unow? |
| 20:08.32 | Adityab | MatthewWilkes: I mean, in IRC! Ahh that was embarassing |
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| 20:08.42 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: I'd think so, yeah. As long as it's fundamentally a coding task |
| 20:08.47 | thebolt | ajuonline: haha, no, i'm back in sweden since july last year (this is where i grew up and lived 25 of 26 years so far) |
| 20:08.51 | Ivanovic | carols: would be nice to hear your point of view about this one |
| 20:09.08 | carols | reads |
| 20:09.16 | bawr | Ivanovic: It's an original idea, I'll give him that. |
| 20:09.21 | MatthewWilkes | Adityab: There are some unofficial standards for setting colours but it's pretty frowned-upon to use them. Makes you look like a 12 year old script-kiddie |
| 20:09.23 | Ivanovic | bawr: yeah |
| 20:09.57 | ajuonline | i think Java killed my VM. its stuck. |
| 20:09.59 | carols | Ivanvovic: are you asking if this is a valid proposal? |
| 20:10.13 | Ivanovic | carols: i am asking if this would be covered by GSoC |
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| 20:10.42 | Ivanovic | carols: since a major aspect does include creating (writing and painting) "content" |
| 20:10.45 | carols | Ivanovic: because the proposal the student's made doesn't involve a lot of coding? |
| 20:10.50 | carols | ah, i see. |
| 20:11.14 | Ivanovic | that is: the campaign itself is written in a "programming language" |
| 20:11.26 | Ivanovic | okay, defined by us, but a coding language anyway |
| 20:11.40 | Ivanovic | though lots of things would probably also be dialogs and the likes |
| 20:11.53 | carols | Ivanovic: what's your sense of how much time would be spent by the student coding and how much will be changing the look and feel of the content? |
| 20:12.13 | Ivanovic | carols: to be honest: no idea |
| 20:12.36 | Ivanovic | carols: somehow it would be similar to a "create website" |
| 20:12.38 | Ivanovic | task |
| 20:13.21 | Ivanovic | (sadly svn.gna.org is currently down or i could like an example of how a scenario in a campaign looks) |
| 20:13.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: so what is your interest now? |
| 20:13.25 | |Kev| | I know very little about Wesnoth, but that doesn't sound very gsoccish to me. |
| 20:13.29 | |Kev| | Cool, mind. |
| 20:13.38 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: embedded software (and hardware.. doing a mix of hw and sw design) |
| 20:13.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | ah riigh. I kne that! |
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| 20:14.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: look at meego ;) |
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| 20:14.19 | carols | Ivanovic: my general sense is that no, this isn't "programmy" enough to be a GSoC proposal. however, I could easily see the student implementing a heavy use of javascript or whatever into the proposal and making it valid |
| 20:14.33 | Ivanovic | carols: it would clearly not be the classical coding with c++ and the likes |
| 20:14.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: allthough it is usually pretty far away from the hw |
| 20:15.08 | carols | Ivanovic: well, it's up to you guys what language you have your student code in, of course. but it does need to be coding-oriented, whatever it is. It is Summer of Code after all. |
| 20:15.17 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: heh ok, well, right now i am not really able to contribute to opne source "more than i have to" |
| 20:15.20 | carols | heads off again for laundry |
| 20:15.25 | Ivanovic | !logs |
| 20:15.26 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:15.43 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: we're using (and modifying) u-boot and linux kernel etc.. those are gpl and will be released ;) |
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| 20:15.47 | mlankhorst | woei, home made kernels are sometimes faster than distro ones :O |
| 20:16.22 | bawr | This isn't anything new, is it? Different priorities and all. |
| 20:16.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: cool :) and only custom sw? Well if you have only a little bit of memory |
| 20:16.27 | Ivanovic | uhm, how often are the logs updated? |
| 20:16.39 | Ivanovic | that is: when will the current chat appear in the logs? |
| 20:16.47 | Ivanovic | wanted to point the student to our chat |
| 20:17.05 | mlankhorst | bawr: Well, the official kernel took 400/512mb so kde swapped like crazy |
| 20:17.26 | bawr | Ugh. Swapping KDE. |
| 20:17.28 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: what doi you mean by "little bit of memory"? ;) we'll probably use a mix of custom in-house, custom licensed and off-the-shelf stuff.. |
| 20:17.52 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: as for meego.. we're using openembedded as the base dist ;) |
| 20:18.51 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: a bit more "low level" than meego i think |
| 20:20.03 | bawr | Also, hmm. Do orgs put much weigh behind teamwork experience? I haven't really participated in anything big before - hell, that's how I ended up with GSoC. :) |
| 20:20.03 | Ivanovic | carols: thanks for looking at this |
| 20:21.06 | |Kev| | bawr: it's another tick on an application. |
| 20:21.30 | |Kev| | bawr: We don't require it, certainly, but if someone's got it - all the better. |
| 20:22.42 | bawr | Right'o. |
| 20:23.13 | carols | you're welcome, Ivanovic. let me know if you have further questions, or feel free to email me. i'll be disappearing soon for other festivities |
| 20:23.22 | Ivanovic | have fun |
| 20:23.40 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 20:25.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: yes. meego is quite highlevel. Apps are more or less desktop sw |
| 20:25.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | grrr stupid hfs+.... |
| 20:26.33 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: we're doing stuff that has no "local" UI at all so ;) |
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| 20:27.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: ahh the fun kind of sw :D I work on what we call midleware. You'd probably call that control applications or something similar :P |
| 20:28.18 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: heh, nah, middleware is middleware ;) (i spent two years of my life doing middlware for games industry profesionally, and 8 years open source ;) |
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| 20:30.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | heh :) well I do system midleware, but my dream is one day to work on OS geo stuff and get paid to do that |
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| 20:31.15 | thebolt | :) |
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| 20:34.14 | carols | alright, see you all later |
| 20:34.20 | carols | heads off to lunch |
| 20:34.22 | thebolt | cya, enjjoy |
| 20:35.53 | |Kev| | Hoorah! Finally fixed our buildchain so I don't need UAC escalation to compile on Win7. |
| 20:35.56 | |Kev| | Simple pleasures. |
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| 20:39.52 | thebolt | hm.. how can a domain be registered, but no whois-info on it at all? (a .com domain..) |
| 20:40.43 | bawr | Rogue DNS? ;) |
| 20:40.56 | thebolt | well, dns lookup says non-existent |
| 20:41.03 | thebolt | (but trying to register it says it is taken) |
| 20:41.24 | thebolt | ahm, now it gave whois.. strange |
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| 20:41.44 | bawr | Borken DNS, then? |
| 20:42.10 | thebolt | bawr: well, used whois.net for both whois lookups |
| 20:42.39 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Malicious registrar realised you were searching and registered it to sell on to you at a profit? |
| 20:43.41 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: shoudldn't be that quick.. and the place i searched usually is good (and no, they don't have it) |
| 20:43.43 | bawr | MatthewWilkes: But...nslookup uses the DNSes you selected yourself, and those should be pretty safe, no? |
| 20:44.01 | thebolt | but yea, another place does have it.. and offer to sell it at $9.95 / year |
| 20:44.31 | bawr | On the other hand, I didn't have a good reason to assume thebolt used nslookup. |
| 20:44.58 | thebolt | bawr: i did use that as well (using both my isps DNS and another DNS from my uni) |
| 20:46.14 | thebolt | bah, first they say they want to sell it to me, then they say it is taken.. stupid systems |
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| 20:46.51 | bawr | That are you buying a domain for, if it's not top secet? :) |
| 20:47.18 | thebolt | bawr: you mean the domain name? not really.. bluecarrot.com :P |
| 20:48.01 | bawr | Come to think of it, I probably should extend holyhandgrenade.info... This year, I'm finally using it for something. Meh, starting a blag, this is so 1999. ;) |
| 20:48.13 | bawr | I was more interested in the reason than the name. :) |
| 20:49.07 | thebolt | ah well, i am about to start a small private LLC (in sweden, so an AB) to act as a holding company for me in a number of potential projects |
| 20:49.14 | thebolt | and as "umbrella" for some consultancy work |
| 20:49.35 | thebolt | trying to find some kind of name for it, and looking to see if the domains are free before i decide |
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| 20:50.12 | bawr | Is it as complicated as it sounds? I was always kind of afraid of the read tape... then again, the fact that Polish red tape is pretty bad was probably a factor. |
| 20:50.16 | thebolt | (and blue carrot is the translation a miss-pronounciation of a friends chinese name.. yea, i am running out of ideas ;) |
| 20:51.10 | kblin | thebolt: hm, founding a limited liability company costs a lot of money in germany (or rather, you need to prove you have a lot of money) |
| 20:51.40 | thebolt | kblin: sweden too |
| 20:52.02 | thebolt | or well, €5k in shares.. |
| 20:52.07 | bawr | thebolt: I, for one, love convoluted names. :) |
| 20:52.16 | MatthewWilkes | really? |
| 20:52.22 | MatthewWilkes | It's very easy in the UK |
| 20:52.29 | MatthewWilkes | you can buy an off-the-shelf one for about £30 |
| 20:52.32 | thebolt | it is not complicated though |
| 20:52.48 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: well, one thing is the cost (about 200 euro in fees) |
| 20:52.54 | thebolt | another is the required share capital needed.. |
| 20:53.03 | MatthewWilkes | just a matter of signing a memorandum of incorporation and submitting it to companies house |
| 20:53.21 | MatthewWilkes | the only fee involved is getting the paper prepared by a lawyer and having him witness you signing |
| 20:53.38 | thebolt | no lawyer needed here |
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| 20:54.20 | kblin | thebolt: you need 25k EUR business capital |
| 20:54.30 | kblin | here, that is |
| 20:54.37 | thebolt | kblin: ah, they just lowered it from 10k to 5k by 1st apri |
| 20:55.12 | kblin | or if you're more than one person you can do 12.5k if you promise to raise the remaining 12.5k within a certain time period |
| 20:55.24 | kblin | thebolt: well, 5k sounds reasonable |
| 20:55.30 | MatthewWilkes | wow |
| 20:55.42 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.ukincorp.co.uk/ sells you a ready-to-go company for £32 |
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| 20:55.53 | kblin | especially as you'll be able to spend it on like office equipment right after incorporation |
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| 20:55.58 | MatthewWilkes | why do you need to have so much capital around? |
| 20:56.07 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: well, i have considered that.. but i don't feel like dealing with UK law as well |
| 20:56.25 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: to make people you have debts to have some kind of security |
| 20:56.34 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: so there's some capital people can sue you for? |
| 20:56.35 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Sure, I'm just surprised there is all this hassle |
| 20:57.03 | thebolt | kblin: here at least you need half of the initial capital in total assets.. otherwise you are bancrupt |
| 20:57.22 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: it isn't that bad really.. hardest part is coming up with a name :P |
| 20:57.24 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Isn't that a matter for the people getting involved with you? I mean, you'd get insurance against being sued |
| 20:57.42 | kblin | thebolt: so that's what? a reasonable office and a good pc with two 24" screens? |
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| 20:58.18 | thebolt | kblin: well, i for one won't have any office (and i'll buy a good laptop.. and you deduct it over 3 years so it will continue to be an asset ;) |
| 20:58.54 | kblin | thebolt: get a good office chair, that's a couple of hundred bucks :) |
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| 20:59.14 | thebolt | kblin: already have that personally.. and cannot bring it where i am moving anyhow ;) |
| 20:59.50 | kblin | I guess you can, but you'll probably be able to get one in taiwan for less than the cost of shipping your chair there ;) |
| 21:00.02 | thebolt | haha, yes :) |
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| 21:01.20 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: anyway, I'm not saying I understand the rules |
| 21:01.59 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: especially as I'm able to just get the LLC in the UK and then do business in germany, thanks to the EU :) |
| 21:02.45 | thebolt | for me it will be enough of a trouble to have sweden and taiwan involved in paperwork etc.. |
| 21:02.50 | kblin | not that I'm doing much consulting work at the moment |
| 21:02.52 | thebolt | involving UK as well.. no thanks :P |
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| 21:03.13 | kblin | right, especially with their weird legal system :) |
| 21:04.04 | bawr | Aren't you required to record your employees on CCTV by now, as far as UK goes? Last time I checked, it seemed to be headed there. ;) |
| 21:04.56 | thebolt | haha |
| 21:05.32 | kblin | bawr: well, I doubt the CEO has to monitor himself ;) |
| 21:06.46 | kblin | crud, I didn't think compiling stuff for android would be that hard |
| 21:06.51 | bawr | kblin: I said "your" employees. I didn't mean that in a good way. ;) |
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| 21:12.09 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Good old EU! |
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| 21:15.37 | x` | anyone from slovenia seeing this? :) |
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| 21:25.37 | kblin | sighs |
| 21:25.47 | thebolt | kblin: what's up? ;) |
| 21:26.05 | kblin | why do people write to a 3+k mailing list asking about stuff if they then go and ignore the advice given anyway? |
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| 21:26.28 | kblin | and why doesn't my software cross-build to android? |
| 21:26.42 | |Kev| | Android doesn't support COBOL. |
| 21:26.46 | |Kev| | HTH. |
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| 21:27.02 | bawr | kblin: I give up, why do they do that? |
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| 21:30.28 | kblin | bawr: I gess because they like to rant on a list that's read by a lot of people? |
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| 21:31.35 | bawr | That's about my guess. *sighs* |
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| 21:32.24 | x3sths | hi |
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| 21:32.43 | x3sths | as i can see not many hardware projects this year... |
| 21:33.13 | x3sths | maybe because there more difficult :P |
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| 21:33.43 | smtms | maybe hardware is not free or open source software |
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| 21:34.24 | x3sths | you have a point there |
| 21:34.44 | smtms | I don't :-) |
| 21:35.17 | smtms | there are few projects doing hardware though, so if x percent of applying projects get in, you'll see very few hardware project |
| 21:35.18 | x3sths | btw by saying hardware i meant coding on assembly or low-level C |
| 21:36.28 | smtms | asm isn't popular since the 1970s I think |
| 21:36.30 | lolfrenz | how hard is to actually earn 5000$ on gsoc? |
| 21:37.03 | x3sths | it depends on your skills |
| 21:37.08 | lolfrenz | I'm 18 and never participated on gsoc before |
| 21:37.10 | thebolt | x3sths: but that isn't hardware.. that is software |
| 21:37.24 | scgtrp | lolfrenz: depends on your skills, and the mentors. basically you get paid if they're satisfied with your work |
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| 21:37.50 | x3sths | thebolt yeah right but it is more hardware than web developement for example :P |
| 21:38.07 | lolfrenz | it sounds like a lot of money and it would be pretty cool if I were able to earn that |
| 21:38.33 | thebolt | x3sths: nneither is hardware at all.. so no :P |
| 21:38.39 | bawr | lolfrenz: Worry about the project, not the money. |
| 21:38.52 | smtms | lolfrenz, it's about as hard as flipping burgers, just more fun |
| 21:39.12 | bawr | The mentors don't lose anything by approving your work, so just do a good job. |
| 21:39.13 | lolfrenz | I never flipped a burger |
| 21:39.57 | kblin | x3sths: check out the beagleboard project then |
| 21:41.02 | lolfrenz | have many of you guys earned money via gsoc? |
| 21:41.32 | scgtrp | this is my first year of being old enough for it |
| 21:41.46 | lolfrenz | what is the minimum age? |
| 21:41.48 | scgtrp | 18 |
| 21:41.54 | lolfrenz | oh, I wasn't aware |
| 21:41.57 | lolfrenz | guess I'm just on time |
| 21:42.05 | lolfrenz | awesome |
| 21:42.20 | thebolt | lolfrenz: not a single cent.. (and i've been in gsoc all years but one..) |
| 21:42.20 | scgtrp | heh, i literally realized it the night before applications opened :P |
| 21:42.22 | x3sths | lolfrenz do you have any programming experience ? |
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| 21:42.39 | lolfrenz | x3sths, well, I started programming at about 9 or 10 |
| 21:42.40 | bawr | thebolt: Always a mentor? |
| 21:42.49 | thebolt | bawr: mentor & admin, yes |
| 21:43.01 | bawr | That's fun. Well, not really. |
| 21:43.05 | lolfrenz | thebolt, why not participate as a student? |
| 21:43.12 | x3sths | lolfrenz ok then you should apply :P |
| 21:43.26 | thebolt | lolfrenz: cause i thought i do more good as a mentor than a student |
| 21:43.38 | lolfrenz | thebolt, not to yourself you don't |
| 21:44.00 | thebolt | lolfrenz: well, most years i've had other jobs giving me money, and life isn't only about money |
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| 21:44.06 | thebolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: well said |
| 21:44.26 | lolfrenz | true, but I'd sure be happy to earn $5000 |
| 21:44.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | and IMHO mentoring does give you more, but maybe that's just me |
| 21:44.47 | lolfrenz | especially since I'm going to uni since octomber |
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| 21:44.59 | thebolt | is just about to give up two offers of well-paid jobs to move across the world.. and invest his own money into a startup :P |
| 21:45.07 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: agreed |
| 21:45.07 | lolfrenz | and I'd need money for my student life etc |
| 21:45.29 | |Kev| | I'd be vaguely interested to know what proportion of gsoc money gets spent on beer :) |
| 21:45.37 | thebolt | |Kev|: :) |
| 21:45.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: what makes gsoc cooler than a regular job isn't money, but rather the experience |
| 21:45.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | you get to becaome part of a community of likeminded people |
| 21:45.55 | lolfrenz | Wolf_OSGeo, true, since the projects are way awesomer |
| 21:46.08 | lolfrenz | I'd love to work on boost projects for instance |
| 21:46.29 | bawr | thebolt: Help me decide if I could be a mentor. Would I still ge a t-shirt? |
| 21:46.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: well go over there and talk to them! (if you haven't yet) |
| 21:46.36 | kblin | bawr: sure |
| 21:46.38 | |Kev| | Wolf_OSGeo: I think the benefit's more than that, actually. |
| 21:46.41 | lolfrenz | as C++1x + boost is most likely going to be made of win to say the least |
| 21:46.42 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: yes! |
| 21:46.44 | thebolt | bawr: yes you do! :) |
| 21:46.45 | |Kev| | The experience is probably great for your CV. |
| 21:46.51 | bawr | In that case, I can be a mentor allright. ;) |
| 21:46.53 | thebolt | bawr: and you get to go to the coolest conference there is :) |
| 21:46.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: also if you attend the mentor summit you get an EXTRA t-shit! |
| 21:47.08 | kblin | right :) |
| 21:47.16 | kblin | and you also meet lots of cool people |
| 21:47.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | plus a (possible) chance to loot some way cool swag |
| 21:47.22 | lolfrenz | Wolf_OSGeo, I haven't read the gsoc faq and guideline yet, I will afterwards |
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| 21:47.35 | kblin | like thebolt or Wolf_OSGeo, who I'd never have met without the mentor summit :) |
| 21:47.51 | bawr | Wolf_OSGeo: Dude, wait what. *double* t-shirts? I AM SO MENOTRING NEXT YEAR. ;) |
| 21:47.54 | thebolt | same to you mr blin :) i would say you definitely are part of the cool people there ;) |
| 21:48.18 | thebolt | hm, i should probably head to bed.. have some more trees to convert into fire-wood tomorrow.. |
| 21:48.32 | kblin | thebolt: sounds like fun, night :) |
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| 21:48.46 | thebolt | is getting pretty good with the chainsaw after two days continuous use.. but man it gives muscle ache ;) |
| 21:48.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: yup DOUBLE, plus last year I got maybe 6 or 10 additional ones :D |
| 21:49.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: yes, so true. Perhaps we will meet again this year! ;) |
| 21:49.36 | dhaun | Wolf_OSGeo: which one is you again? ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/dhaun/4045041930/ |
| 21:49.40 | kblin | thebolt: well, not using a chainsaw probably would be worse :) |
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| 21:49.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: wait? are you working on a chainsaw? I hipe you are not coding for that :P |
| 21:50.05 | Chainsaw | Totally. Then you'd have to use an axe. |
| 21:50.32 | sreich | or one of those enormous 2-man hand saws |
| 21:50.41 | sreich | that have teeth as big as hands :D |
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| 21:51.10 | kblin | hums "malcolm solves his problems with a chainsaw" from the arrogant worms |
| 21:51.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | dhaun: hmm not on that pic |
| 21:52.03 | kblin | dhaun: it looks like you took that picture just as I was queueing up for breakfast :) |
| 21:53.04 | kblin | otherwise it'd be me on the left side pimping hand sanitizers to people... they had ingenium(tm) in those |
| 21:53.32 | kblin | which, as we theorized was a mixture of adamantium and unobtanium |
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| 21:53.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | dhaun: no wait. Im the fat guy in the background in the other room packing his laptop (I think) |
| 21:54.37 | dhaun | Wolf_OSGeo: actually, I think I remember you from the after-summit whirlpool session (though I stayed out of it) |
| 21:55.10 | kblin | hehe |
| 21:55.18 | kblin | best session of the whole summit :) |
| 21:55.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | dhaun: you do? Cool :D |
| 21:55.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | I did attend that one |
| 21:56.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | is trying to figure out who dhaun is.... |
| 21:56.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | or rather remember... :S |
| 21:56.36 | kblin | Wolf_OSGeo: he's not on that picture, I guess ;) |
| 21:57.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | is googling his memory |
| 21:57.47 | kblin | if you liked that answer, come back tomorrow for another session of "kblin provides unhelpful answers to questions you don't have" |
| 21:57.59 | dhaun | I did help getting the food, if that helps trigger something ;-) |
| 21:58.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | odd spellchecker doesn't understand googling (it does now! :P) |
| 21:58.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | dhaun: hah. Well then I was with you ;) |
| 21:58.29 | scgtrp | hm, i only ever got one reply to my proposal, telling me i type too fast and managed to submit it before they were done adding all the questions :( |
| 21:58.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | noow it starting to come back to me |
| 21:59.13 | kblin | scgtrp: update it to address all the questions then? |
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| 21:59.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | scgtrp: well go back an check the template and answer the rest of the questions and then ask for more feedback |
| 21:59.35 | kblin | scgtrp: also consider that many parts of this world currently are having easter weekend |
| 21:59.55 | scgtrp | i did answer the question they added |
| 22:00.01 | scgtrp | (days ago) |
| 22:00.18 | scgtrp | *shrug* forgot some people actually celebrate holidays rather than sitting around on irc like me :P |
| 22:01.55 | scgtrp | do they get notified when i post a comment on my proposal, or is that only for me? |
| 22:03.01 | dhaun | only when they subscribed to updates |
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| 22:04.32 | kblin | mlankhorst: ping |
| 22:05.07 | scgtrp | waits until tomorrow then pokes the mailing list |
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| 22:06.01 | kblin | sounds like a plan :) |
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| 22:23.07 | Migi32 | hey everyone. I'm not sure right now if I will actually be free this summer. In 2 weeks I will be. Is it possible to just apply anyway, and if I get accepted and it turns out to be impossible to do the project because I'm not free, can I still cancel and let someone else get accepted? |
| 22:23.15 | Migi32 | or should I just not apply in the first place? |
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| 22:23.54 | sveinemann | Migi32: You can find a student to take you're place |
| 22:24.15 | sveinemann | Migi32: If not, then don't apply. |
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| 22:24.28 | Migi32 | hmm. ok... |
| 22:25.16 | Migi32 | also, a different question: how are we supposed to code for the project in June when we have exams? |
| 22:25.21 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline |
| 22:25.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 22:25.56 | Migi32 | May 24 - Students begin coding for their GSoC projects |
| 22:26.03 | MatthewWilkes | Migi32: As long as you let the mentoring org know well in advance of April 21st that you're withdrawing they won't be negatively affected |
| 22:26.18 | MatthewWilkes | well, apart from losing you, that is |
| 22:26.23 | Migi32 | I don't know if it's the same in America but exams are in the beginning of June here in Belgium |
| 22:26.44 | sveinemann | Migi32: My ends in mid June. But I'm fine with that |
| 22:26.50 | MatthewWilkes | Migi32: So put that in your application. We (Plone) have a question specifically to find out when people aren't available |
| 22:27.00 | Migi32 | ok |
| 22:27.34 | ojwb | Migi32: you may be able to make up by using the community bonding period to get started on coding |
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| 22:37.01 | bawr | scgtrp: Crofton That's good... isn't it? |
| 22:37.40 | scgtrp | bawr: ...? |
| 22:38.29 | bawr | scgtrp: Sorry, i didn't realise my IRC client scrolled up, and I replied to something from a few screens ago. :) |
| 22:39.03 | bawr | (The "scgtrp, you type too fast" thing.) |
| 22:39.40 | scgtrp | bawr: ahh. :P |
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| 22:45.41 | bawr | Migi32: Well, I solved it by offering to do two weeks' worth of "half-time" code during the bonding period, and people were fine with that. I think you've seen my app, so feel free to use that as a guide... and talk to your org. Well, after the easter thing, ideally. :) |
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| 22:47.08 | Migi32 | bawr, no I haven't seen your app yet. I'm kinda new here, link? |
| 22:47.35 | bawr | Ah, sorry, I thought you were around when I was spamming it. ;) |
| 22:47.37 | bawr | http://bit.ly/bawr-gsoc |
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| 22:50.36 | gillux | hello |
| 22:50.56 | Migi32 | bawr, your homepage really improves the odds of you getting accepted :) |
| 22:51.16 | gillux | I'm a student, currently writing an application |
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| 22:51.27 | gillux | Am I the only one who can't use anchors in it ? |
| 22:51.32 | warren_ | hi |
| 22:51.38 | bawr | gillux: Worked fine for me. |
| 22:51.49 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: You're correct, you can't use the name attribute |
| 22:51.54 | Guest86333 | to subscribe to the gsoc, you must fill in the school, is it your current school or the school you want to graduate to next year? |
| 22:51.55 | gillux | I mean <a name="foo"> and <a href="#foo">there</a> |
| 22:52.06 | gillux | yes, name is always stripped |
| 22:52.13 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: It's a pretty easy patch to submit, if you want to |
| 22:52.19 | bawr | Migi32: I know, right? Everyone loves Bertrand Russell. ;) |
| 22:52.28 | gillux | Ok then |
| 22:52.46 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: The file responsible is http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/htmlsanitizer/HtmlSanitizer.py |
| 22:53.04 | bawr | I sort of made a deal with myself that if I get accepted, I'll start a blag or something. |
| 22:53.04 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: Getting started guide is at http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 22:53.25 | gillux | thanks |
| 22:54.54 | bawr | MatthewWilkes: Especially when he's expertly aligned with tables. ;) |
| 22:55.01 | bawr | *Migi32 |
| 22:55.08 | gillux | but bawr you said it worked fine for you ? |
| 22:55.15 | gillux | you used the anchor button ? |
| 22:55.38 | bawr | Nope. I thought you were using a fancy name for links, basically. :) |
| 22:55.47 | gillux | ok :) |
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| 22:57.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | Guest86333: the school you are attending on April 26th or so |
| 22:57.56 | Guest86333 | "attending" ? |
| 22:59.14 | Migi32 | your current school |
| 22:59.21 | Guest86333 | ok |
| 22:59.23 | Guest86333 | thanks |
| 22:59.47 | kblin | bawr: there's a perfectly fine replacement to nfs, though ;) |
| 23:00.59 | Guest86333 | must you be at university or high school THIS YEAR to participate? |
| 23:01.20 | scgtrp | as of april 26 |
| 23:01.30 | kblin | that's a FAQ |
| 23:01.31 | bawr | kblin: I know a few replacements, but a replacement that's perfectly fine? Do share! |
| 23:01.33 | kblin | !faq |
| 23:01.33 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 23:01.38 | kblin | please read the faq |
| 23:01.49 | kblin | bawr: cifs |
| 23:02.20 | kblin | if you use the right servers and clients, that is |
| 23:02.32 | Guest86333 | well i already read it, and if i understand not |
| 23:02.36 | bawr | Ahh. |
| 23:02.36 | Guest86333 | but i really want to be sur |
| 23:02.38 | Guest86333 | sure* |
| 23:03.26 | kblin | bawr: of course I'm biased there ;) |
| 23:04.21 | bawr | kblin: Heh. Well, it's hard to be worse than NFS, in any case. ;) |
| 23:05.15 | bawr | Arrrgh. Why oh why can't uniq be put in a non-buffering mode? |
| 23:05.16 | bawr | sighs |
| 23:05.20 | kblin | but if you e.g. use the linux cifs.ko module against a samba server, with unix extensions turned on, cifs works pretty well |
| 23:05.32 | Sabriel | someone say linux? |
| 23:06.04 | bawr | I have to admit, SMB on linux isn't something I have even considered. |
| 23:06.09 | Guest86333 | Actually i'm at secunday school and planning to go to high school next year, is the proof of being student a letter or my current school (secundary school) good? |
| 23:06.34 | Sabriel | don't you have to be 18 by april 26? |
| 23:06.39 | Sabriel | I thought that was the only requirement |
| 23:06.53 | kblin | Sabriel: that, and a student |
| 23:06.58 | Sabriel | er, yeah |
| 23:07.00 | Sabriel | and a student |
| 23:07.15 | Guest86333 | can someone answer my question? i don't want to be wrong... |
| 23:07.28 | Sabriel | Guest86333: will you be 18 by april 26? |
| 23:07.42 | Guest86333 | i am already |
| 23:07.57 | Guest86333 | in fact i had to do this year again... |
| 23:08.16 | kblin | bawr: I know most people don't consider this, but it works pretty well |
| 23:08.19 | Guest86333 | but i will only be at high school in october |
| 23:08.31 | Guest86333 | but anyway i'll be student |
| 23:08.40 | Sabriel | "You are eligible to apply if you are enrolled in an accredited pre-university educational program provided you meet all of the other eligibility requirements" |
| 23:08.55 | kblin | !eligible |
| 23:08.56 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 23:09.17 | Guest86333 | what does "accredited" mean? |
| 23:09.38 | xiainx | legally allowed to award diplomas |
| 23:09.40 | xiainx | basically |
| 23:10.04 | Guest86333 | hm i think i meet all requirements |
| 23:10.13 | kblin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredited <-- |
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| 23:11.12 | Sabriel | wait |
| 23:11.17 | Sabriel | isn't secondary school high school? |
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| 23:11.39 | kblin | or possibly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_accreditation |
| 23:11.43 | Guest86333 | well secondary school is in belgium... |
| 23:11.55 | Sabriel | oh |
| 23:11.59 | Sabriel | okay |
| 23:12.00 | Guest86333 | it's in fact 12yo to 18yo |
| 23:12.13 | kblin | Sabriel: lost in translation |
| 23:12.18 | Sabriel | yeah |
| 23:12.19 | Sabriel | haha |
| 23:12.30 | Guest86333 | high school in US means sopmething else maybe? |
| 23:12.33 | Sabriel | then after 18yo, I think that's just pre-university |
| 23:12.38 | Sabriel | yeah |
| 23:12.42 | Sabriel | high school here = 14-18 |
| 23:12.45 | Sabriel | = secondary school |
| 23:12.57 | schumaml | iirc people from German Gymnasiums did participate in past years, and that's one of the secondary school types here |
| 23:12.57 | Sabriel | or... maybe 11 or 12-18 |
| 23:12.59 | Guest86333 | ah okay |
| 23:13.05 | Sabriel | not sure about the distinction |
| 23:13.08 | Sabriel | for secondary |
| 23:13.20 | Sabriel | then after that it is college or university usually |
| 23:13.41 | kblin | Sabriel: the word-for-word translation of the german word for university is high school as well |
| 23:14.05 | kblin | and it's certainly tertiary education |
| 23:14.10 | Guest86333 | so i'm doing my last year at high school before going to university in october |
| 23:14.11 | Sabriel | yeah |
| 23:14.26 | Guest86333 | so if i understand i can participate, right? |
| 23:14.30 | kblin | Guest86333: right |
| 23:14.33 | bawr | Comparing scool systems around the world gives you nothing but jeadache, usually. :/ |
| 23:14.40 | Sabriel | headache too |
| 23:14.47 | Guest86333 | ok thank you very much all |
| 23:14.55 | Guest86333 | however i still have a question |
| 23:15.11 | kblin | bawr: and looking at my backlog, concerning #python-dev, I was trying to build python for android and failed :) |
| 23:15.21 | Guest86333 | if i would fail this year? i'd not be able to go to university in october, is that a problem? |
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| 23:15.31 | Guest86333 | but i'll probably not fail, but who knows |
| 23:15.44 | bawr | kblin: Why? General headaches and missing dependencies, or compiler issues? |
| 23:15.48 | Sabriel | Guest86333: will you be a student by april 26? |
| 23:15.58 | Sabriel | if so, then I think you're fine |
| 23:16.04 | Sabriel | you just have to be enrolled as a student |
| 23:16.06 | Guest86333 | well if i understand, i am already student? |
| 23:16.13 | Sabriel | yes |
| 23:16.24 | Sabriel | if you can show proof that you are a student |
| 23:16.25 | Guest86333 | ow yea that's for people stopping school after their 18? |
| 23:16.31 | Sabriel | yeah |
| 23:16.40 | Guest86333 | haha now i understand |
| 23:16.50 | kblin | bawr: basically the android libc isn't POSIX-compatible enough |
| 23:16.53 | Guest86333 | yea, i'll ask some proof at school |
| 23:16.59 | Guest86333 | thank you very much guys |
| 23:17.12 | schumaml | btw, does Google use this definition of student? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student#United_States |
| 23:17.23 | coppro | !faq |
| 23:17.23 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 23:17.25 | Sabriel | I'm assuming so |
| 23:17.38 | Guest86333 | however now i selected "high school" in the form, but a grade is asked, is that the year? |
| 23:17.49 | coppro | "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." |
| 23:17.51 | Guest86333 | i mean, it differs from country to country |
| 23:17.53 | Sabriel | yeah |
| 23:18.01 | schumaml | so if you happen to be in an accredited kindergarten at age 18, you are eligible |
| 23:18.48 | coppro | I'm not sure whether this means primary/secondary instutitions are eligible |
| 23:19.06 | Sabriel | well |
| 23:19.12 | maco | those cant give degrees can they? |
| 23:19.13 | Sabriel | the next line talks about pre-university programs |
| 23:19.17 | Sabriel | aka high school |
| 23:19.32 | coppro | nah, that means stuff like CEGEP |
| 23:19.32 | Sabriel | which /do/ award an official diploma |
| 23:19.40 | coppro | I think |
| 23:20.00 | maco | yeah i thought it meant like a junior college |
| 23:20.08 | coppro | (CEGEP is two years after high school but before traditional post-secondary in Quebec) |
| 23:20.49 | Sabriel | hmm |
| 23:20.52 | Guest86333 | well i know here in belgium you have some kind of diploma in order to be able to continue to the next grade |
| 23:20.59 | Sabriel | but here some jobs accept diploma for work |
| 23:21.03 | Sabriel | mind you it's menial work |
| 23:21.10 | coppro | yeah |
| 23:21.12 | Guest86333 | and after your secundary you get an official one |
| 23:21.32 | Guest86333 | now those diploma's are just proof you successfully passed X grade |
| 23:21.35 | Guest86333 | is that ok? |
| 23:21.54 | kblin | Guest86333: You're going to be fine |
| 23:22.21 | Guest86333 | but those diplomas are not really diplomas |
| 23:22.32 | coppro | if in doubt, just email Google and ask |
| 23:22.33 | Guest86333 | just proofs you got to the Xth year at secundary |
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| 23:22.43 | kblin | In the past years, people in the last year of secondary school were eligible for GSoC, and the rules didn't change for all I know |
| 23:23.08 | Guest86333 | yea ok |
| 23:23.09 | Guest86333 | thanks |
| 23:23.17 | Guest86333 | i"ll mail to be 100% sure anyway |
| 23:23.25 | schumaml | the 'last year' was mostly because of the 'age: 18 years' req, wasn't it? |
| 23:23.54 | Sabriel | prolly |
| 23:24.15 | kblin | yeah, usually |
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| 23:26.54 | Guest86333 | you can only apply from the 9th april, right? |
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| 23:27.14 | kblin | no, you can only apply until the 9th of april |
| 23:27.20 | Sabriel | you can apply now until 9th april |
| 23:27.31 | Guest86333 | ow xD |
| 23:27.35 | schumaml | i.e. the next five days |
| 23:27.41 | kblin | night folks |
| 23:27.45 | Guest86333 | see ya |
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| 23:27.52 | Sabriel | cheers |
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