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| 01:02.03 | zhurai-irssi | q: so it was brought up somewhere else, but, am I able to participate if I'm a high school student atm (senior, I'm also 18 right now..) and will be going to a community college next year? |
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| 01:02.39 | robbyoconnor | zhurai-irssi: you can't |
| 01:02.49 | summatusmentis | wait, why? |
| 01:02.59 | summatusmentis | if you can show proof of enrollment for the next year? |
| 01:02.59 | robbyoconnor | WAIIIT |
| 01:03.01 | robbyoconnor | oh doh |
| 01:03.05 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 01:03.11 | robbyoconnor | show you're enrolled for the fall |
| 01:03.15 | robbyoconnor | and you're golden |
| 01:03.18 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 01:03.24 | summatusmentis | yeah, ok, so if you can show proof of enrollment by the date listed in the FAQ, you can participate |
| 01:03.35 | robbyoconnor | if not, then you're hosed |
| 01:04.37 | zhurai-irssi | robbyoconnor: wait, so if I have the application + registration stuff for it by April, then I can go in, otherwise no? o_O |
| 01:06.07 | summatusmentis | if you can prove to google that you have been accepted into a college program by the April date, you can participate (assuming you get accepted) |
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| 01:06.15 | summatusmentis | if you can't, you're not allowed to participate |
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| 01:17.10 | CiswatiC | where should we submit the application for the project, ie proposal and other stuffs for the organization... gsoc page only asks for general info... |
| 01:18.17 | ojwb | CiswatiC: look in the left menu |
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| 01:19.50 | CiswatiC | ojwb, documentation? |
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| 01:20.37 | ojwb | well, the documentation does describe this |
| 01:20.50 | ojwb | i'm not a student, so I can't tell you the exact wording of the link |
| 01:21.55 | CiswatiC | thanks, i ll find it out... |
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| 02:09.17 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 02:11.09 | myl-D-zazta | !site |
| 02:11.10 | socinfo | "site" is http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
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| 05:54.52 | dieb_ | Hello, I'm having some trouble editing my student proposal. The format I setup through WYSIWYG is not the output formatt, nor the saved one. |
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| 05:58.22 | ojwb | dieb_: you could try asking on #melange |
| 05:58.32 | ojwb | (melange is the software which runs on the site) |
| 05:58.46 | ojwb | the tinymce editor does seem problematic |
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| 06:00.03 | nitech | what skills are a reqired for participating in gsoc |
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| 06:03.27 | MrFawkes | nitech: That really depends on the project / org you choose. |
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| 06:03.33 | MrFawkes | Cooperation is a must. |
| 06:03.37 | MrFawkes | ...damn, wrong nick. |
| 06:03.47 | bawr | Ah, there. |
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| 06:14.27 | SDr | hiya! |
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| 06:21.25 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 06:23.51 | ajuonline | good morning thebolt |
| 06:23.55 | ajuonline | *yawn* |
| 06:26.08 | try0003 | so who have already suscribe to gsoc ? |
| 06:26.22 | [mharrison] | What? |
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| 06:31.32 | robbyoconnor | try0003: not yet |
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| 06:31.46 | robbyoconnor | the word you're looking for is "applied" by the way try0003 |
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| 06:34.26 | try0003 | Yes im sorry my english is bad I am to tired |
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| 06:48.01 | yanglang | how many participants are they going to accept this year? |
| 06:48.22 | thiago_home | a lot, but the number isn't known in advance |
| 06:48.29 | thiago_home | I don't think even Google knows the number |
| 06:49.11 | bawr | Isn there an explicit limit, though? |
| 06:49.26 | thiago_home | as far as I know, no |
| 06:49.36 | thiago_home | but I don't know Google's non-public message |
| 06:50.22 | yanglang | in the FAQ, they stated that they are expecting about 1,000 students |
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| 07:01.59 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:25.48 | Guest46502 | hello everybody! |
| 07:26.01 | Guest46502 | best of luck for gsoc |
| 07:26.22 | bawr | Guest46502: Hello. |
| 07:27.40 | Guest46502 | one question.. |
| 07:27.54 | Guest46502 | will my application be visible to everyone |
| 07:28.00 | Guest46502 | when i make it public |
| 07:28.13 | bawr | Only if you give them the link. |
| 07:28.39 | Guest46502 | ohhk |
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| 07:37.41 | dreimark | !next |
| 07:37.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 07:50.27 | Der_Steve | good morning |
| 07:56.53 | bawr | Hello. |
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| 08:05.51 | iamsumesh | Hi everyone. |
| 08:05.59 | trojanwars | Hello |
| 08:06.04 | try0003 | hi |
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| 08:06.46 | bawr | Hm... Anyone else working on their submission at the moment? :) |
| 08:09.10 | trojanwars | what does ur server address indicate? |
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| 08:10.19 | bawr | What? Do you mean the homepage address? |
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| 08:13.48 | sanjoyd_ | Melange gives me a malformed start tag, at line 2, column 26 error, while I can't spot any in the HTML. |
| 08:13.52 | sanjoyd_ | Any pointers? |
| 08:14.16 | bawr | Try #melange. |
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| 08:16.10 | trojanwars | @bawr, no, i mean when u do whois - then u get server address |
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| 08:18.04 | bawr | Well, I'm on kornbluth, why? |
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| 08:37.03 | kai | durn... |
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| 08:37.57 | kai | foiled again by ubuntu /bin/sh being dash, not bash\ |
| 08:39.54 | bawr | Well, what did you expect? If you write #!/bin/sh, you better mean it. ;) |
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| 08:40.48 | micahcowan | bawr, maybe, but dash isn't even a proper sh, either. |
| 08:41.32 | bawr | Hence the ";". But yeah, I feel your pain. |
| 08:42.38 | dash123 | kai: I got the reply to the e-mail after all from citp. Thanks for the advice yesterday. |
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| 09:00.46 | Rajib | anyone is doing filesystem projects this time? |
| 09:01.31 | smtms | all the operating systems |
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| 09:11.17 | pygi | smtms, :P |
| 09:11.33 | pygi | smtms, that was not nice :D |
| 09:11.48 | smtms | pygi, what would have been nice? |
| 09:12.02 | pygi | no idea, tell him to look at the project and ideas lists? :D |
| 09:13.03 | bawr | That was implied. :) |
| 09:13.25 | Rajib | thnx pygi... |
| 09:13.46 | Rajib | I wanted to ask wether any student here is doing this fs proj? |
| 09:13.57 | pygi | bawr, hehe :D |
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| 09:15.51 | Upthorn | !timeline |
| 09:15.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 09:54.18 | jkila | !timeline |
| 09:54.18 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 09:54.24 | jkila | !help |
| 09:54.24 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 09:54.34 | jkila | !faq |
| 09:54.35 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 10:06.54 | jkila | hi |
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| 10:29.18 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 10:29.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 10:34.35 | adimania | if I apply to organisation X,Y and Z, can X see that I have applied to Y and Z as well |
| 10:34.37 | adimania | ? |
| 10:35.19 | Ivanovic | adimania: only if you are ranked in the Top A of X *and* Y or Z and got a mentor assigned at both orgs |
| 10:36.06 | adimania | okay. Thanks. |
| 10:36.15 | Ivanovic | as in "this student is a possible duplicate, the orgs have to get together to solve it among them" |
| 10:36.29 | Ivanovic | many orgs will ask the student for their preference, but that is *not* mandatory |
| 10:37.03 | sioraiocht | hey danderson |
| 10:37.12 | sioraiocht | are you planning on mentoring this year? |
| 10:37.19 | sioraiocht | or just administering? |
| 10:37.39 | sioraiocht | also danderson, if you don't remember who I am, we met at ZuriHac ;) |
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| 10:43.31 | ojwb | adimania: orgs aren't going to hold it against you if you apply elsewhere |
| 10:43.47 | ojwb | we realise many students do... |
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| 10:47.47 | ira | Hello, is there anybody from SIP Communicator here? |
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| 10:50.19 | Waren | yo |
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| 10:54.52 | kai | !anyone |
| 10:54.52 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 10:54.58 | kai | ira: ^^^ |
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| 10:56.47 | thebolt | hi kai |
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| 11:21.39 | kai | ls |
| 11:21.42 | kai | er |
| 11:21.48 | kai | now that was funny |
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| 11:26.21 | _thade_ | kai: naah. happens all the time. sometimes even with passwords:P |
| 11:26.30 | ojwb | kai: it's an old joke... |
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| 11:31.23 | kai | _thade_: yeah, but I had another console window open while typing ls |
| 11:32.08 | kai | but the characters didn't appear, and I wondered if my gnome got stuck, hit alt-tab and it changed to this console, and there it decided to type ls |
| 11:32.14 | kai | that's the funny part |
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| 11:32.48 | kai | probably having a load of 9 doesn't really help |
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| 11:43.45 | sfb | Good morning everyone. |
| 11:44.02 | _ikke_ | ajuonline: Mine too |
| 11:44.26 | ajuonline | _ikke_: which one? |
| 11:45.59 | _ikke_ | N73 |
| 11:46.02 | _ikke_ | nokia |
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| 12:09.56 | sfb | Sorry, no I don't. |
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| 12:28.54 | abhishek | has any body got comment from mentors of OSGeo or Sip-communicator regarding their proposals? |
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| 12:30.46 | crux | hi |
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| 12:31.59 | kai | abhishek: try talking to them on their channels |
| 12:32.11 | kai | or poke Wolf_OSGeo here :) |
| 12:33.48 | abhishek | ok |
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| 12:34.35 | ojwb | stas: this isn't the place to ask, but they create an address for each list |
| 12:35.06 | stas | ojwb: thank, I just didn't know where else to ask |
| 12:36.05 | stas | so I took the channel with the most coloristic users, sorry for that |
| 12:36.05 | ojwb | gmane.discuss... |
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| 12:39.22 | kai | ojwb: is this not "Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums"? |
| 12:39.46 | ojwb | all too often, sadly |
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| 12:41.05 | kai | !gsoc |
| 12:41.05 | socinfo | Error: "gsoc" is not a valid command. |
| 12:42.35 | kai | !learn gsoc as gsoc refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoire-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
| 12:42.36 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:43.04 | sfb | heh |
| 12:43.14 | sfb | How's it going kai? |
| 12:43.25 | kai | busy at work |
| 12:44.56 | kai | I'm trying to figure out how I can get the kyoto encyclopedia for genes and genomes enzyme annotations for just the organisms I'm interested in |
| 12:45.44 | kai | I'm trying to get the runtime of my program down from one week to something less than a week :) |
| 12:46.26 | araujo | hello |
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| 12:46.44 | araujo | should find some time to review some proposals .... |
| 12:46.45 | kai | so, business as usual :) |
| 12:47.47 | jimbozhang | !what |
| 12:47.47 | socinfo | "what" is We have no idea what you are talking about. Please start again and provide context. |
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| 12:48.15 | jimbozhang | !list |
| 12:48.15 | socinfo | "list" is http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 12:49.14 | jimbozhang | !gsoc |
| 12:49.14 | socinfo | "gsoc" is gsoc refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoire-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
| 12:49.38 | jimbozhang | !how |
| 12:49.38 | socinfo | Error: "how" is not a valid command. |
| 12:49.47 | kai | !botabuse |
| 12:49.47 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 12:49.55 | jimbozhang | !apply |
| 12:49.55 | socinfo | Error: "apply" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:50.26 | kai | jimbozhang: that's usually call a clue |
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| 12:50.54 | sfb | kai: You work sounds a little moer interesting than mine. |
| 12:50.55 | jimbozhang | kai, :) |
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| 13:08.31 | kai | sfb: depends on how long you're doing it |
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| 13:15.37 | kai | sfb: but apart from having to work with perl scripts written by other people, it's fun :) |
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| 13:22.53 | janes | can anyone help me regarding bio-java |
| 13:23.25 | kai | probably the biojava folks |
| 13:23.56 | kai | though if it's general questions about the subject, not specific questions about biojava, I probably can help as well |
| 13:24.02 | r0bby|android | People who can't find their orgs irc channel or lists don't belong in the program. |
| 13:24.21 | janes | but no one is there in their irc |
| 13:24.23 | kai | my personal experience is more with biopython and bioperl |
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| 13:24.41 | r0bby|android | janes: mailing lists |
| 13:24.54 | r0bby|android | Research skills. |
| 13:25.03 | janes | my question i am unable to get the comtact details of mentors listed in their page |
| 13:25.16 | kai | r0bby|android: now, be nice |
| 13:25.21 | kai | janes: url? |
| 13:25.21 | janes | yesterday in their irc they told me to contact mentors |
| 13:25.37 | janes | kai:url for what? |
| 13:25.39 | r0bby|android | Mailing list! |
| 13:25.55 | janes | http://biojava.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 13:26.00 | r0bby|android | The mentors are likely on there. |
| 13:26.43 | janes | ya but i cant find one of mentors contacts |
| 13:26.52 | kai | janes: there's like a title "Mentors" on that page |
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| 13:27.49 | r0bby|android | Jesus christ |
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| 13:28.03 | r0bby|android | Click the links perhaps? |
| 13:28.17 | kai | janes: it takes me like three clicks from the wiki page to find Andreas Prlic's email address |
| 13:28.25 | janes | kai:i had seen but i cannot find contact(email ids) |
| 13:28.34 | r0bby|android | Jesus.... |
| 13:28.40 | kai | once I got over being a bit star struck :) |
| 13:28.52 | janes | kai:i want peter rose's email adress |
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| 13:30.14 | r0bby|android | Their mailing list? |
| 13:30.28 | r0bby|android | Email it..peter rose is likely on it.... |
| 13:30.58 | kai | janes: ok, peter rose is a bit more tricky, you have to actually google him and his position |
| 13:31.16 | bawr | Google? Well I'd never! ;) |
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| 13:31.33 | janes | okay you mean biojava,s mailing list |
| 13:31.46 | janes | okay i will do it |
| 13:31.54 | r0bby|android | janes: yes... |
| 13:32.00 | kai | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=peter+rose+pdb&l=1 |
| 13:32.05 | r0bby|android | Jesus christ |
| 13:32.21 | r0bby|android | Students like this... |
| 13:32.48 | r0bby|android | Research skills are lacking...quite severely |
| 13:33.01 | ihalip | i feel a robby rant coming up |
| 13:33.17 | killerchicken_ | haha |
| 13:33.17 | kai | the link I just posted has a secondary email fopr Andreas Prlic as well |
| 13:33.24 | killerchicken_ | like we haven't had enough of those ;) |
| 13:33.29 | ajuonline | i demand a seperate channel #robby's-rants |
| 13:33.32 | r0bby|android | I'm done. |
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| 13:33.39 | janes | robby:i thought they will be easily available it.s an alternate option |
| 13:34.18 | janes | anyway thank you all |
| 13:34.34 | r0bby|android | janes: point I'm making is this: you could have found it if you googled, used their mailing list, etc |
| 13:34.54 | r0bby|android | killerchicken_: hush...you love me |
| 13:35.07 | r0bby|android | You alllll love me :) |
| 13:35.09 | janes | ya i ahd found it |
| 13:35.11 | skbohra_ | i hate it when they dont make much communication with potential students |
| 13:35.13 | janes | *had |
| 13:35.50 | killerchicken_ | r0bby|android: yeah back two years ago I wished my email client had an ignore function ;P |
| 13:36.06 | r0bby|android | Lol |
| 13:36.15 | r0bby|android | I went digest |
| 13:36.33 | skbohra_ | there are these community which are very active and there are these which are almost dead |
| 13:36.35 | r0bby|android | And aj maintains an announce list |
| 13:36.41 | r0bby|android | Ajay* |
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| 13:38.06 | ajuonline | i can use some help there in maintaining that list, that is, i keep travelling |
| 13:38.11 | ajuonline | unless last year, |
| 13:38.21 | ajuonline | err. unlike* |
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| 13:38.36 | bawr | r0bby|android: You're probably a mentor for something... I rejoice when people with no research skills come up - less competition for my dream spot. ;) |
| 13:38.48 | ihalip | hah |
| 13:38.57 | ihalip | bawr: i feel ya, bro |
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| 13:39.05 | r0bby|android | No going for a hat trick...diff org tho |
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| 13:39.48 | bawr | Ooh. You could rejoice as well, then. If you don't mind saying, who were you with the last two times? |
| 13:40.18 | r0bby|android | Openmrs |
| 13:41.19 | bawr | Looks nifty. |
| 13:44.47 | r0bby|android | Yeh |
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| 13:45.12 | kai | hehe |
| 13:45.57 | kai | updates the mentor's blacklist with yet another nick ;) |
| 13:47.50 | ajuonline | sheesh. there's a blacklist? :P |
| 13:48.04 | kai | oh, damn, wrong # |
| 13:48.05 | kai | ;) |
| 13:49.27 | r0bby|android | I'm not on the list |
| 13:49.29 | r0bby|android | Lol |
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| 13:50.10 | kai | r0bby|android: I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you |
| 13:51.40 | killerchicken_ | please tell him? |
| 13:51.48 | killerchicken_ | *cough* |
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| 13:52.28 | kai | hehe |
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| 13:53.03 | killerchicken_ | three-time student sure is interesting |
| 13:53.09 | killerchicken_ | I turned mentor after two times ;) |
| 13:53.22 | ihalip | you've been converted |
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| 13:53.26 | venus | hello, i am a student interested in a project of gsoc called "boost c++ libraries", i want to know more about it |
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| 13:53.38 | ihalip | !anyone |
| 13:53.38 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 13:53.41 | ihalip | venus: ^ |
| 13:53.55 | kai | killerchicken_: I've been a student three times before I started to feel silly and turned admin and mentor |
| 13:54.05 | killerchicken_ | kai: yeah, silly you |
| 13:54.07 | killerchicken_ | ;) |
| 13:54.42 | kai | killerchicken_: did you participate with different orgs? |
| 13:54.52 | killerchicken_ | no |
| 13:55.09 | kai | ha, at least that's what I did in the third round :) |
| 13:55.14 | killerchicken_ | yeah |
| 13:55.20 | kai | more by accident, though |
| 13:55.33 | killerchicken_ | I started volunteering half a year before my first gsoc |
| 13:55.40 | killerchicken_ | then the org asked me to apply |
| 13:55.42 | kai | the day I wanted to apply, Wine was missing from the org list because the old webapp had a fit |
| 13:55.44 | killerchicken_ | I guess that's unusal |
| 13:56.11 | kai | so I decided I could go and apply for another org |
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| 13:57.20 | kai | and then samba ended up with less proposals for their slots, so I decided to go for the org with less slots, new challenges and new weird people :) |
| 13:57.31 | killerchicken_ | :) |
| 13:57.43 | |Kev| | Must...not...correct...to...'fewer'... |
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| 13:58.02 | venus | hello, is there anybody who could help me |
| 13:58.24 | killerchicken_ | venus: ihalip was trying to help you above |
| 13:58.26 | |Kev| | venus: no-one will know unless you share your problem. |
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| 13:58.41 | |Kev| | Oh, ihalip already has, nvm me. |
| 13:58.41 | venus | ok... |
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| 13:59.18 | killerchicken_ | |Kev|: hah, bad english is the langauge of science. |
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| 13:59.34 | kai | |Kev|: if native speakers get to write with weird grammar, I reserve the right to do so as well |
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| 14:00.12 | |Kev| | wut? we dunt. |
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| 14:00.59 | killerchicken_ | hah, Kai is a Germun |
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| 14:01.54 | thebolt | killerchicken_: not his fault.. |
| 14:02.01 | thebolt | or well, he is old enough so he coulöd have changed that :P |
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| 14:02.35 | kai | hehe |
| 14:03.07 | bawr | kai: See, that's where we differ. I enjoy being correct even more if the natives fall short. ;) |
| 14:03.31 | killerchicken_ | s/if/when/ |
| 14:03.51 | bawr | Ah, Muphry's Law, how I love thee. |
| 14:03.54 | kai | bawr: same here, actually |
| 14:04.15 | killerchicken_ | Muphry sure is a badass. |
| 14:04.48 | killerchicken_ | Yeah I'm just kidding I'm German myself |
| 14:04.53 | killerchicken_ | it's not so bad |
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| 14:09.47 | bawr | Hmm. Bad English ist die new Latin, eh? :) |
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| 14:10.34 | kai | I-ay think-ay so-ay |
| 14:10.58 | ihalip | *facepalm* |
| 14:11.58 | bawr | ihalip: In all seriousness, doesn't a thick Slavic or Germanic accent bring to your face? Or is that just me? |
| 14:12.02 | venus | i m visiting boost organizaton's website but i cant find there problem statement |
| 14:12.12 | bawr | *braing a smile to |
| 14:12.26 | kai | !orgs |
| 14:12.26 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 14:12.31 | kai | venus: ^^^ |
| 14:12.37 | kai | should be linked from that list |
| 14:12.41 | ihalip | bawr: i already have a slavic accent, thank you very much |
| 14:13.21 | venus | but its too technical..i cant even understand it |
| 14:13.46 | killerchicken_ | boost might not be the right project for you, then. |
| 14:13.51 | ihalip | venus: are you a computer science student ? |
| 14:13.54 | bawr | I find that I have a slavic accent... which tends to disappear around natives. I think it gets scared and desperately tries to fit in. |
| 14:14.07 | venus | no information technology |
| 14:15.15 | killerchicken_ | pff, physics students 4tw. |
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| 14:15.38 | thebolt | killerchicken_: :P |
| 14:15.39 | bawr | How do you feel about math/cs cross-breeds? |
| 14:16.14 | killerchicken_ | speaking of physics... off to do some work. ;) |
| 14:16.23 | kai | venus: I suggest to read up on wikipedia a bit |
| 14:16.25 | kai | hehe |
| 14:16.41 | sioraiocht | bawr: They write incomprehensible papers |
| 14:17.31 | venus | ok.. |
| 14:17.37 | kai | sioraiocht: that's sort of the point of a scientific paper, right? |
| 14:18.08 | sioraiocht | kai: no. If a paper is incomprehensible it's written poorly |
| 14:18.26 | sioraiocht | kai: although more what I meant with maths/cs crossbreeds |
| 14:18.31 | sioraiocht | is that some get into really esoteric topics |
| 14:18.45 | bawr | I tend to differentate between papers and whitepapers, and I've grown to expect the former to be harder to get through without domain knowledge. |
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| 14:19.37 | kai | bawr: whereas whitepapers are easy to understand talk that boils down to pretty much no content at all ;) |
| 14:20.18 | bawr | Heh. And then there's RFCs, which are perfectly understandable, but too *boring* to get through. |
| 14:20.20 | bawr | ;) |
| 14:20.28 | kai | hehe |
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| 14:21.05 | kai | and then there's MS open protocols documentation, with bitmaps documented in a way that warp your mind worse than escher paintings |
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| 14:22.20 | bawr | And then we have open source documentation, which is cryptic, short, incomplete and wrong. ;) |
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| 14:23.27 | kai | bawr: open source documentation can't be wrong, if you look at the correct version |
| 14:23.34 | kai | bawr: it's called "source code" |
| 14:23.45 | kai | it's guaranteed to do what the program does |
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| 14:24.32 | bawr | Ah, but of course. Okay, enough fun, time to buy food. |
| 14:25.05 | thebolt | spent ~50% of the last three days reading legalize and semi-legalize from american and european aviation authorities.. _that_ is boring .. |
| 14:25.18 | kai | legalese? |
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| 14:25.34 | thebolt | bah |
| 14:25.36 | thebolt | whatever :P |
| 14:25.42 | thebolt | you see, it makes me so damn tired.. |
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| 14:25.51 | sfb | Google Summer of Documentation? |
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| 14:26.58 | ajuonline | or <somefoo-mentoringorg> Summer of Documentation |
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| 14:30.40 | abhishek | !help |
| 14:30.40 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 14:30.52 | sfb | I'd rather get code done at this point. |
| 14:30.59 | abhishek | !botabuse |
| 14:30.59 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 14:31.17 | sfb | If I attracted good, talented students to continue working on the project... I'd rather be the documentation lackey. |
| 14:31.20 | sfb | haha |
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| 14:32.20 | ihalip | sfb: you're with which org ? |
| 14:32.53 | sfb | ihalip: Technically I'm under WorldForge's umbrella but my tasks are for the NeL project. |
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| 14:37.15 | s2n | how many students are selected per organisation on an average? |
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| 14:37.58 | kai | !slots |
| 14:37.58 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 14:38.04 | ajuonline | somew with 1, 2, 5, 10, 30? |
| 14:38.42 | kai | making averages is kind of pointless with many small orgs and some big orgs |
| 14:38.57 | kai | the standard deviation will be pretty high |
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| 14:41.13 | dberkholz | hmm, i should make a histogram. |
| 14:41.19 | dberkholz | i love numbers and graphs |
| 14:41.28 | magsol | ++ |
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| 14:42.01 | jps | the in-page anchor links in http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs are broken |
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| 14:42.28 | s2n | in case of maemo? |
| 14:42.28 | kai | jps: yeah, known issue |
| 14:42.40 | kai | jps: tinymce ate them |
| 14:42.51 | kimelto | morning! |
| 14:43.11 | ajuonline | they said they'd remove TinyMCE isnit it? |
| 14:43.12 | jps | how do students who want to apply find an organization's "ideas list"? |
| 14:43.23 | kai | !orgs |
| 14:43.24 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 14:43.28 | kai | link in list |
| 14:43.30 | kai | easy |
| 14:43.37 | jps | great! |
| 14:45.05 | kai | anyway, time to get home |
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| 14:47.34 | selenamarie | hi! anyone know if there were students or mentors from Sudan in the past? |
| 14:47.34 | jps | for those of you who have mentored in previous years, about how many student apps did you get per mentoring org idea? |
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| 14:49.28 | jenred | jps there is lots of variance depending upon the mentoring organization |
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| 14:50.01 | dash123 | selenamarie: sudan,iran, myanmar students are not allowed to apply. At least that's what the "student agreement" says. I'll get the link in a sec. |
| 14:50.14 | jps | I'm more interested in the mean than the variance |
| 14:50.22 | sfb | jps: It can depend on the nature of the project, the projects popularity and the size of its community... |
| 14:50.23 | s2n | what is the number of students selected by maemo community? |
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| 14:51.53 | sfb | s2n: The number of slots a project gets isn't decided until after student proposals are in. |
| 14:52.25 | jps | agree or disagree: "The most successful projects are the ones that are proposed by the students. " -- http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors |
| 14:52.57 | LawnGnome | selenamarie: Regardless of whether there are actual restrictions, it would appear not, per http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ&gid=2 |
| 14:53.32 | sfb | jps: Agree. |
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| 14:57.00 | sfb | jps: I think a projcet proposal that a mentor likes and a student has proposed themselves is more likely to succeed because the student is both working on something they want to work on as well as something they have proposed with their own abilities and availability in mind. |
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| 14:57.44 | selenamarie | dash123: thanks for that |
| 14:57.46 | selenamarie | LawnGnome: thanks. |
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| 15:06.07 | shreyas | are the propasals accepted by google or by mentor or organisation?? |
| 15:07.13 | mmadia | by the organization you apply to, shreyas. |
| 15:07.19 | sfb | Mentor and organization. |
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| 15:12.39 | Spyzer | hello, when i am trying to sign in http://socghop.appspot.com/ i am getting ssl error . Something like SSL peer reports incorrect Message Authentication Code.(Error code: ssl_error_bad_mac_alert) |
| 15:12.53 | Spyzer | may anyone please tell me why is this?? |
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| 15:16.39 | dash123 | Spyzer: Maybe you can try at #melange that's what powers socghop site. |
| 15:16.55 | Spyzer | ok |
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| 15:22.56 | dberkholz | kai: check this out -- http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gsoc/slots/slot_allocations_2009_histogram.png |
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| 15:53.13 | cain297 | Hey Guys - I had a quick question about the Contact Info part of the 'Become a GSoC student' form. I'm currently living in Malaysia but will most likely be moving to India around the mid of April (I'm an Indian Citizen). I was wondering if I should enter my Malaysian or India address in those fields. |
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| 15:54.27 | cygal | enter the indian address if you'll be in India in May |
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| 15:56.51 | cain297 | cygal: thx. Also, will it be too big of a problem if (and this is a remote possibility) I end up not moving to India? In either case, I would like to be paid in India. |
| 15:57.30 | cygal | you can edit the contact info if needed |
| 15:57.55 | cain297 | cygal: great. thx |
| 15:57.59 | cygal | (and the payment is a credit card) |
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| 16:12.29 | jps | regarding http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gsoc/slots/slot_allocations_2009_histogram.png dberkholz, the actual number of slots assigned is supposed to be tightly correlated with the number of student proposals, isn't it? |
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| 16:15.05 | sfb | haha |
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| 16:18.19 | rodrigo | Hi. I would like to participate in gsoc, but i only know C89/90 ( no exp with apis or svn ). Are there projects where this knowledge is enough to start? |
| 16:18.22 | bawr | sanjoyd: Nah, too many vowels. ;) |
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| 16:18.46 | bawr | rodrigo: Type C into the tag search, look around. |
| 16:19.06 | thebolt | sanjoyd: and it contains joy.. linux daemons are not joyful at all :P |
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| 16:21.05 | dmj726_n9001 | Is it possible to have 2 mentors? |
| 16:24.15 | thiago_home | no |
| 16:24.18 | thiago_home | only one is official |
| 16:24.23 | thiago_home | any other mentors are unofficial |
| 16:24.59 | hugo_br | how many students an organization can support? |
| 16:25.12 | thebolt | depends on how big the organization is |
| 16:25.12 | ihalip | dmj726_n9001: of course, your mentor may have a "backup" mentor in case he needs to go away for a while |
| 16:25.38 | thiago_home | KDE can easily take 80 students |
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| 16:27.14 | hugo_br | and guys, how is the student effort measured? how many hours is it usual to work on gsoc projects? 'cause I work and study |
| 16:27.39 | ihalip | hugo_br - most orgs expect you to treat it as a full-time job |
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| 16:28.02 | bawr | So basically around 7 hours a day. |
| 16:28.09 | ihalip | it of course depends on the project, but you will still need 6-7 / day |
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| 16:29.15 | hugo_br | oh, I understand... that's because I have about 5 free hours by day |
| 16:29.25 | hugo_br | somedays more, somedays less |
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| 16:29.27 | hugo_br | so, about 5 |
| 16:30.25 | bawr | Well, this may not be a problem, but you need to explicitly state that in your plan. (You do have a progress plan in you application, right?) |
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| 16:33.01 | hugo__ | bawr: I took some projects to take a look deeper, and I will study the case. I want to participate, but I have to study carefully to not go in and don't respond to expectations |
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| 16:35.29 | tlax | Hmmm. PaGMO looks certainly interesting. |
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| 16:46.28 | stas | anybody here fomr gsoc staff ? |
| 16:46.47 | stas | that wysiwyg is horrible |
| 16:47.39 | thiago_home | go to #melange for interface issues |
| 16:48.27 | ruturaj | stas: true..true! |
| 16:48.27 | adimania | stas: its a GSoC project to improve the editor |
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| 16:49.37 | stas | i think a wiki like syntax editor is the best thing it should provide |
| 16:49.57 | dchana | hi |
| 16:50.01 | stas | I wonder how guys who don't know html edit their proposals .... o_O |
| 16:50.26 | bawr | stas: I'm compliling Markdown. :) |
| 16:50.37 | bawr | Well, I know HTML, but even id I didn't, that's a valid approach. :) |
| 16:50.44 | stas | markdown rocks, too bad we can't get it there |
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| 16:51.39 | bawr | Hey, I have it locally, it's enough for me. |
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| 16:53.52 | kblin | oh man |
| 16:54.21 | sfb | haha |
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| 16:56.46 | sfb | How many students here are undecided, have no idea what project they want to apply to? |
| 16:56.50 | sfb | Just curious. |
| 16:57.24 | tlax | I have a bit of idea. :) |
| 16:57.27 | skbohra | has got 3 choices but yet to write application |
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| 16:59.30 | bawr | skbohra: Hey, same here. Well, I'm writing one now. |
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| 17:00.02 | bawr | Similar question - did you guys go for the suggested ideas, or come up with your own? |
| 17:00.45 | mateoeo | I felt interested with three ones I've found and two suggestions was my own ones |
| 17:01.01 | skbohra | suggested ideas mainly, since i am new to all those org , i feel i should go with suggested ideas |
| 17:01.39 | dchana | is it competitive? |
| 17:01.53 | skbohra | what ? |
| 17:01.59 | dchana | application process |
| 17:02.04 | skbohra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.17 | bawr | It's only proper for me to answer as well. I have one idea of my own, one being a moderate change of a presented idea, and one taken straight from the list - each for a different project. |
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| 17:02.59 | gvallarelli | hello |
| 17:03.17 | gvallarelli | just a simple question can I reupload a proposal If I find some errors later? |
| 17:03.26 | dchana | each application requires a qualification task to be completed? |
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| 17:03.40 | skbohra | gvallarelli: until the deadline , yes i think |
| 17:03.46 | micahcowan | gvallarelli, it can be edited, yes. In fact, that's an intrinsic part of the process. |
| 17:03.53 | gvallarelli | ok ok :) |
| 17:03.55 | gvallarelli | thanks |
| 17:04.03 | micahcowan | It's expected that proposals will need adjusting/fine-tuning, or even overhauling. :) |
| 17:04.16 | skbohra | dchana: depends on org totally |
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| 17:05.17 | gvallarelli | another simple question where I can upload some contents that shows my skills (source code, and a pdf)? |
| 17:05.29 | gvallarelli | they will linked in my proposal |
| 17:05.33 | thiago_home | gvallarelli: your choice |
| 17:05.34 | bawr | Anywhere you please. |
| 17:05.38 | thiago_home | gvallarelli: there are many hosting sites |
| 17:05.48 | gvallarelli | I uploaded to rapidshare |
| 17:05.49 | thiago_home | but the best place is to point to existing open source work you've done |
| 17:06.03 | gvallarelli | but after I discovered that is good only for 10 downloads |
| 17:06.04 | skbohra | gvallarelli: code google may be |
| 17:06.05 | gvallarelli | ... |
| 17:06.05 | thiago_home | point to a patch in a bugzilla or mailing list that you've sent |
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| 17:08.11 | kblin | yay |
| 17:08.11 | kblin | puts on the asbestos underware |
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| 17:08.11 | sfb | hahahah |
| 17:08.12 | kblin | gsoc-flamewar finaly woke up |
| 17:08.12 | g6255 | hi |
| 17:08.12 | sfb | Where? |
| 17:08.12 | gvallarelli | hosting sites that don't have stupid limits? |
| 17:08.33 | sfb | gvallarelli: You could offer to email it to prospective org admins or mentors as well. |
| 17:09.15 | kblin | sfb: the gsoc-mentors list. a nice place to troll, have flamewars on and whine about melange |
| 17:09.18 | sfb | ohh |
| 17:09.29 | gvallarelli | LOL |
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| 17:10.35 | kblin | and occasionally, people will try to talk about mentoring stuff |
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| 17:11.20 | skbohra | kblin: the students list becomes that at times too :D |
| 17:12.09 | kblin | skbohra: well, the mentors list isn't actually that bad |
| 17:12.19 | skbohra | haha |
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| 17:12.36 | kblin | there's no floods of "anyone from XY" or "hai! I can haz gsoc!" posts |
| 17:12.55 | bawr | Well, due to their very nature I'd expect both lists to be quite trollable. |
| 17:12.57 | sfb | haha |
| 17:13.15 | scgtrp | hm, where is this students list? |
| 17:13.18 | gvallarelli | I can upload something on google docs |
| 17:13.18 | gvallarelli | :D |
| 17:13.27 | skbohra | scgtrp: once you get in |
| 17:13.32 | g6255 | hi everyone |
| 17:13.33 | scgtrp | skbohra: i already did |
| 17:13.37 | g6255 | i am new to gsoc |
| 17:13.47 | skbohra | scgtrp: you get selected i mean |
| 17:13.48 | g6255 | can u pls help me out to thru the |
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| 17:13.58 | scgtrp | skbohra: ahh, i see |
| 17:13.59 | Catfish_Man | g6255: after kblin's comment just now, this is hilarious |
| 17:14.12 | skbohra | Catfish_Man: lol :D |
| 17:15.49 | skbohra | g6255: you were kidding , right ? |
| 17:16.14 | micahcowan | I don't see why he would be |
| 17:16.15 | xb95 | !faq |
| 17:16.16 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 17:16.40 | skbohra | micahcowan: may be to make the situation more fun ;) |
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| 17:16.45 | psicho | hello |
| 17:17.00 | bawr | See what I meant about trollable? :) |
| 17:17.11 | micahcowan | (he or she) |
| 17:17.55 | micahcowan | skbohra, maybe. I don't think it maps that closely to kblin's comment, though, and given history, there's a high probability it was meant sincerely. Plus, maybe phe was about to ask a more specific question |
| 17:18.09 | mlankhorst | SNR is getting lower, I hate it when people ask first and look later (if ever) |
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| 17:20.37 | ruturaj | if i send a proposal to an org, is there a delay before the mentors of that org get to read it? |
| 17:20.39 | skbohra | micahcowan: hopefully he/she will come up with some better question |
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| 17:21.17 | micahcowan | If we didn't scare per off :) |
| 17:21.25 | gchaix | ruturaj: a technical delay, no. A delay in the org getting around to reading it, quite possibly. |
| 17:21.56 | ruturaj | so, once i submit it..its right there..for them to read it right?ok.. |
| 17:22.06 | micahcowan | ruturaj, yup |
| 17:22.16 | ruturaj | ok..thankx.. |
| 17:22.21 | micahcowan | But yours may not be the only proposal on the queue :) |
| 17:22.32 | gchaix | indeed |
| 17:23.02 | ruturaj | ofcourse..even if i am at the bottom..i guess they can select to view it a any time..right? |
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| 17:23.27 | micahcowan | ruturaj, yes, and they will get to it. |
| 17:23.31 | ruturaj | or are they alowed only to pop off the queue :) |
| 17:23.32 | ruturaj | ok |
| 17:23.35 | ruturaj | thanx a lot..sir. |
| 17:24.23 | skbohra | here comes googles 1st april prank ---> http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/gday/ |
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| 17:24.26 | g6255 | socinfo: i have my programming skills at medium level |
| 17:24.26 | socinfo | Error: "i" is not a valid command. |
| 17:24.52 | g6255 | socinfo: am i eligible? |
| 17:24.52 | socinfo | Error: "am" is not a valid command. |
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| 17:25.02 | Catfish_Man | g6255: socinfo is not a human |
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| 17:25.50 | g6255 | Catfish_Man: sry i am new to this |
| 17:26.11 | micahcowan | skbohra, great. I love the "this is old news" one. :) |
| 17:26.27 | g6255 | Catfish_Man: i am confused can u pls help me out? |
| 17:26.43 | ruturaj | yep..that was the best.. I read about it yesterday :) |
| 17:26.51 | micahcowan | g6255, if you ask a specific question, you are more likely to get a helpful answer. |
| 17:26.53 | Catfish_Man | g6255: have you read the FAQ? It has information about who is eligible |
| 17:27.03 | g6255 | ya |
| 17:27.09 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 17:27.09 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 17:27.31 | micahcowan | g6255, programming skills have nothing to do with eligibility. |
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| 17:27.50 | g6255 | ok |
| 17:27.56 | micahcowan | g6255, of course, if you haven't any at all, you're unlikely to be accepted anywhere. But there are plenty of projects suitable for someone of medium, or even begnning, skill. |
| 17:28.05 | psicho | can i apply for GSOC if im going to graduate this year? (within 2 months if everything goes ok :D ) |
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| 17:28.06 | psicho | ? |
| 17:28.27 | thiago_home | if you're a student at the date that Google requires you to be a student, you can apply |
| 17:28.30 | thiago_home | check the FAQ |
| 17:28.34 | g6255 | thank you micahcowan |
| 17:28.38 | micahcowan | g6255, and you are always welcome to propose your own idea to meet your skill level. Many orgs are much more interested in seeing motivation, will, and foreplanning, than skill. |
| 17:28.54 | g6255 | ok |
| 17:29.12 | psicho | thiago_home nice thanx |
| 17:29.13 | Catfish_Man | skbohra: note: they weren't kidding |
| 17:29.16 | Catfish_Man | >.< |
| 17:29.21 | psicho | just reading it :) |
| 17:29.40 | skbohra | Catfish_Man: sorry ! yeah |
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| 17:38.50 | Dark_Shikari | holy shit I just got a lot of spam on the gsoc mailing lists =p |
| 17:38.56 | Dark_Shikari | er, "spam" |
| 17:41.39 | thebolt | :P |
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| 17:44.38 | psicho | isnt there a scale of how hard is a project somewhere ? :) |
| 17:44.59 | Catfish_Man | psicho: difficulty depends on the student, as well as the project |
| 17:45.13 | psicho | thats true |
| 17:45.27 | psicho | but in gennerall some projects are more difficult then others |
| 17:45.30 | arma | a good ideas list should try to point out which are the hard ones, which the easy ones, etc |
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| 17:45.35 | psicho | and sometimes its hard to tell |
| 17:45.39 | Catfish_Man | "refactor Adium's contact controller to be not awful" was a very difficult project for me, but would have been near-impossible for most people who haven't worked on Adium for years ;) |
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| 17:46.53 | psicho | and upon which factors is a student chosen ? |
| 17:47.13 | arma | psicho: totally depends on the group -- what their community is like, what they need, who notices you, etc |
| 17:47.34 | psicho | nice, thanks |
| 17:47.35 | Catfish_Man | pretty much everything you'd expect an employer to look at, but with more acceptance/emphasis on learning |
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| 17:50.06 | robbyoconnor | Basically, if you need to come here and ask a question that's answered either by googling or reading the FAQ -- you're not right for it |
| 17:50.20 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 17:50.25 | gchaix | robbyoconnor: +1 |
| 17:50.31 | ihalip | here we go again |
| 17:50.38 | robbyoconnor | I'm done here |
| 17:50.51 | robbyoconnor | ihalip:: i wouldnt have to rant if people would grow brains |
| 17:51.01 | ihalip | yeah, i totally understand you |
| 17:51.08 | Catfish_Man | ok, time to get off the bus |
| 17:51.08 | ihalip | but you don't need to keep saying that over and over again |
| 17:51.11 | Catfish_Man | later folks |
| 17:51.32 | robbyoconnor | if people keep asking I do |
| 17:51.33 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 17:52.10 | ihalip | you're an easy guy to troll ;) |
| 17:52.11 | gchaix | ihalip: sadly, it bears repeating. New people come in, make the same mistake |
| 17:52.27 | sfb | psicho: We tried to rate the difficulty/complexity of our ideas too, but yeah, it also depends on your skills too. |
| 17:52.34 | gchaix | besides, trolling and being trolled can be fun |
| 17:52.41 | |Kev| | Hi all, I'm new to gsoc. Is there anyone from the Windows project here? I can't work out where to apply, am I eligible? |
| 17:52.48 | |Kev| | watches robbyoconnor explode. |
| 17:52.48 | gvallarelli | Im networs regards my Im contact? |
| 17:53.01 | robbyoconnor | kicks |Kev| in the balls |
| 17:53.10 | robbyoconnor | kindly go scr0. |
| 17:53.14 | bawr | I know I can edit my proposal. My question is, is it frowned upon to sublit less-than-complete proposals, planning to polish them? |
| 17:53.16 | robbyoconnor | idiots |
| 17:53.48 | robbyoconnor | er crap |
| 17:53.50 | robbyoconnor | my friend |
| 17:53.54 | robbyoconnor | s |
| 17:53.55 | robbyoconnor | not you |
| 17:53.57 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 17:53.57 | gchaix | |Kev|: you used too much punctuation and didn't misspell/SMS-speak at all. |
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| 17:54.09 | |Kev| | bawr: I'd speak to the org. Some might like the heads-up. |
| 17:54.38 | bawr | Right'o. |
| 17:54.51 | gchaix | bawr: it depends on the org. I know we prefer to talk to you first. If an incomplete application is the first thing we see from you, it doesn't make a good first impression |
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| 17:55.19 | |Kev| | Personally, I never want the first time I see someone's name to be on an app. |
| 17:55.25 | ihalip | will bbl. |
| 17:55.37 | gchaix | |Kev|: exactly |
| 17:56.26 | gchaix | every student we accepted last year had contact with us via e-mail/IRC before completing their app |
| 17:57.14 | bawr | gchaix: Well, I've already talked with the fair osuosl folk. Hell, I even fixed a bug and submitted a path. :) |
| 17:57.29 | gchaix | bawr: excellent! |
| 17:57.37 | bawr | It's just that at the moment the Pydra guys aren't around, and I thought I might as well get the application started with. |
| 17:58.17 | gchaix | bawr: yeah, if you've already talked to Peter, the app won't be a surprise. We won't hold a draft against you |
| 17:58.34 | bawr | Ah, sounds good then. |
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| 17:59.23 | gchaix | bawr: arrgh ... you changed your nick ;-) sneaky |
| 17:59.30 | |Kev| | I look forward to the day when we can use "Submit a patch" as one of our application criteria. |
| 17:59.58 | gvallarelli | for Expected field registration |
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| 18:00.15 | gvallarelli | I should submits the year in which I expect to graduate? |
| 18:00.20 | gvallarelli | *submit |
| 18:00.27 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 18:00.33 | gvallarelli | ok |
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| 18:00.45 | bawr | gchaix: Yeah, I only noticed I was on the wrong nick after a few hours the last time. |
| 18:01.00 | robbyoconnor | I seriously hate my friends sometimes. |
| 18:01.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | |Kev|: nothing is stopping you from doing it now ;) |
| 18:01.19 | |Kev| | Wolf_OSGeo: We'd also like to get some students :) |
| 18:01.27 | jenred | for what it's worth we actually try and encourage newbies to Open Source by cutting them some slack if they are too shy to post to the mailing list or afraid to ask questions before submitting their application |
| 18:01.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | |Kev|: you can't have the cake and eat it too! :P |
| 18:01.50 | |Kev| | I can dream. |
| 18:01.51 | thebolt | evening Wolf_OSGeo |
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| 18:02.00 | jenred | we do a round of about 2-3 additional questions to help them get more comfortable |
| 18:02.15 | jenred | them = student applicants |
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| 18:02.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | |Kev|: You can start a popular project written in some hippy modern popular language, you'll drown in applications :P |
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| 18:02.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | evening thebolt! |
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| 18:02.55 | psicho | perhaps somebody from the mono project here ? |
| 18:02.59 | bawr | Are you calling Python hippy? ;P |
| 18:02.59 | |Kev| | Wolf_OSGeo: yeah, I code in C already. |
| 18:03.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: I deliberately didn't name any language ;) |
| 18:03.32 | arma | Wolf_OSGeo: indeed -- we have one of our ideas in java, and n-1 of them in other stuff, and it seems we've attracted all the java students out there. |
| 18:03.37 | sfb | |Kev|: How many students have you talked to/have applied fopr you? |
| 18:03.52 | gchaix | jenred: good for you! For a lot of the random, out-of-the-blue apps we get it's less about shyness or fear and more about lazy/sloppy work, sadly. That's why we explicitly say on our ideas page that their chances of acceptance are better if we've already talked with them before they apply |
| 18:04.00 | |Kev| | sfb: we've had three or four students talk to us, and no apps so far (last I looked) |
| 18:04.11 | sfb | Which org? |
| 18:04.15 | |Kev| | XSF. |
| 18:04.18 | sfb | I'm sure I've asked this already. |
| 18:04.23 | sfb | Ah, cool. |
| 18:04.27 | psicho | or from the Drizzle project ? :) |
| 18:04.27 | |Kev| | This may also be because our ideas page royally sucks. |
| 18:04.31 | gvallarelli | major subject refers to university course? |
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| 18:04.37 | gvallarelli | such as computer science? |
| 18:04.43 | Catfish_Man | gvallarelli: correct |
| 18:04.43 | |Kev| | gvallarelli: yes, funny Americans :) |
| 18:04.51 | sfb | I thought my ideas page wasn't that bad. |
| 18:04.57 | sfb | But it wasn't good enough. (; |
| 18:05.13 | |Kev| | Are you an umbrella org? |
| 18:05.28 | sfb | I'm under WorldForge now, they're my umbrella org. (= |
| 18:05.44 | |Kev| | When I was writing ideas pages for just one project, it was ok, but trying to gather all the projects in an umbrella and get them to produce uniformly competent proposals is hard. |
| 18:05.45 | sfb | http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoc2010Ideas |
| 18:05.47 | mlankhorst | oo, isn t kai mentoring that? |
| 18:05.55 | |Kev| | Wait, ryzom? |
| 18:06.04 | sfb | mlankhorst: He sure is. Lucky for me I've known him for like... 800 years. |
| 18:06.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | |we've had talks with a bunch of students (or the project mentors have) and have so far 4 applications, but I expect a flood during the weekend :P |
| 18:06.21 | sfb | |Kev|: The framework that runs Ryzom (and some other small projects.) |
| 18:06.48 | |Kev| | I seem to recall playing Ryzom for a few days fairly early on. |
| 18:07.00 | sfb | You can still play it, free 21 day trial. (; |
| 18:07.08 | |Kev| | Ah, is it pay-for again? |
| 18:07.12 | sfb | Yes |
| 18:07.12 | gvallarelli | I can view again the saved profile if yes how? in edit profile i see only link id and public nme |
| 18:07.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | |Kev|: We put up a wiki page with ideas pages of some daughter projects, (from previous years) and said, you have to make your own ideas page to take part under our umbrella |
| 18:07.35 | sfb | The new owners have been awesome about open source too. |
| 18:07.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | it worked pretty nicely IMHO |
| 18:07.58 | |Kev| | I seem to have made a blog post saying I was bored of City of Heroes and was trying Ryzom on the 10th Sept 2004. |
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| 18:08.14 | sfb | hahah |
| 18:08.16 | |Kev| | Wolf_OSGeo: sounds competent. |
| 18:08.32 | sfb | |Kev|: I have to admit I played the open betas and I played the 21 day trial. |
| 18:08.36 | |Kev| | "Well, I’m getting a bit fed up of City of Heroes at the moment, so thought I’d try something different. Saga of Ryzom is in open beta for a couple of days until release, so I thought I’d try that. 700k/s download at work for the 1.1Gig client. Fine, I thought. Pre-patched client, neat touch. Then I try and log in (after the installer froze everything). 68 patches to download. Could be some time before I’ve tried the game " |
| 18:09.07 | robbyoconnor | throws stuyff |
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| 18:09.22 | sfb | |Kev|: I have my own project that uses NeL so I'm by de jure a NeL community member. (; |
| 18:09.24 | |Kev| | I can't imagine blogging about an MMO now. How young and naive I was :) |
| 18:09.42 | gvallarelli | I think UI about web app suck a little |
| 18:09.42 | bawr | |Kev|: Is it just your project, or are quality applicants that rare? I thought there's an overabundance of good applications, if anything. |
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| 18:10.06 | gvallarelli | when I see edit profile I expect to edit all information that I have submitted |
| 18:10.13 | |Kev| | bawr: We usually have a few good applicants. I think part of the problem is that students don't realise just how sexy XMPP is ;) |
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| 18:10.23 | sfb | hahah |
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| 18:10.29 | gchaix | bawr: it varies wildly. In our case we got more good applicants than we could accept, but we also got a *flood* of spam applications |
| 18:10.37 | gvallarelli | not to see the information in roles :) |
| 18:10.41 | sfb | |Kev|: We use XMPP in OpenNMS for Jabber and GMail notifications. (; |
| 18:10.42 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: yeah, my friends have started sighing and rolling their eyes every time I start off with "xmpp solves that problem..." |
| 18:10.44 | gvallarelli | but no problem |
| 18:10.52 | |Kev| | sfb: \o/ |
| 18:10.58 | gchaix | <3 xmpp |
| 18:11.01 | bawr | I'm in for some competition, then? All the more exciting. :) |
| 18:11.02 | |Kev| | sfb: I hope that means you bought the book then :p |
| 18:11.19 | gchaix | bawr: yup |
| 18:11.26 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: Everyone expects me to say that XMPP solves that problem ;) |
| 18:11.49 | gchaix | |Kev|: but can it bake me a cake? ;-) |
| 18:12.02 | |Kev| | Now there's a good question. |
| 18:12.13 | Catfish_Man | gchaix: with the appropriate XEP and compliant devices, yes |
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| 18:12.21 | |Kev| | People are hooking up home appliance stuff using xmpp and link-local discovery. |
| 18:12.25 | |Kev| | I guess you could apply that to your oven. |
| 18:12.34 | Catfish_Man | was thinking of setting his washing machine up with that |
| 18:12.35 | bawr | gchaix: But hey, I have more than a week. What more could I possibly need? ;) |
| 18:12.37 | sfb | |Kev|: I didn't write that code. I wrote some NRPE and NSClient integration to alleviate my transition from Nagios to OpenNMS and then later I added Java-native WMI polling and collection (native meaning NOT requiring JNI but done in pure Java. No agents, no JNI...) |
| 18:12.39 | Catfish_Man | it has THE WORST buzzer |
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| 18:12.57 | Catfish_Man | hrm. My work machine isn't booting anymore |
| 18:12.59 | Catfish_Man | that's a bad sign |
| 18:13.06 | |Kev| | No, it's a portent |
| 18:13.13 | gchaix | Catfish_Man: it must mean it's time for coffee |
| 18:13.25 | |Kev| | You clearly should not be trying to work |
| 18:13.35 | sfb | hahah |
| 18:13.37 | Catfish_Man | gchaix: well, I just updated to my team's latest stuff, and rebooted, so there's a reasonable chance it's our fault |
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| 18:18.15 | gvallarelli | I wrote my proposal in a odt file and I can't attach it directly |
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| 18:18.16 | gvallarelli | ? |
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| 18:18.26 | gvallarelli | should I copy and paste? |
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| 18:18.33 | sfb | I think you're supposde to copy/paste. |
| 18:18.35 | sfb | Yeah |
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| 18:20.42 | gvallarelli | go well :) |
| 18:20.53 | gvallarelli | what public option implies? |
| 18:21.01 | gvallarelli | "make public" |
| 18:21.05 | Catfish_Man | anyone can see it if they have a link |
| 18:21.09 | Catfish_Man | (and a login) |
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| 18:21.50 | gvallarelli | so all the mentors and students? |
| 18:22.02 | psicho | any info on facebook projects ? are they already taken ? |
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| 18:22.13 | Catfish_Man | psicho: no project can already be taken |
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| 18:22.19 | Catfish_Man | gvallarelli: yes |
| 18:22.34 | sfb | psicho: Apply and do a good job on your proposal, you'll be in the running. (; |
| 18:22.52 | gvallarelli | I don't know if this is good |
| 18:23.03 | gvallarelli | well what about abstract? |
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| 18:23.13 | sfb | |Kev|: I should use XMPP for in-game chat in NeL-based games. (; |
| 18:23.15 | gvallarelli | I have written motivation for proposal paragraph |
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| 18:23.20 | gvallarelli | in the proposal |
| 18:23.32 | |Kev| | sfb: I think that's a very good idea :) |
| 18:23.45 | gchaix | gvallarelli: the abstract should be the short "my project in 100 words" |
| 18:23.49 | sfb | |Kev|: MTP Target, for example, uses something called CeB |
| 18:23.56 | sfb | |Kev|: It seems really silly. |
| 18:24.10 | |Kev| | sfb: the thing I've always thought is nice about that, is that it allows people to login and chat with their guild from any old client, out of game. |
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| 18:24.44 | sfb | |Kev|: That was the idea behind CeB (which. |
| 18:24.46 | sfb | er |
| 18:24.53 | sfb | (which) was meant for someplace else. |
| 18:25.38 | bawr | gchaix: Uhh, despite what your template says, you don't really want the title and abstract repeated in the content section, do you? :) |
| 18:25.54 | gchaix | looks |
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| 18:27.10 | gchaix | oh, I see. The app form itself already has an abstract field ... right. No need to duplicate |
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| 18:28.11 | gchaix | bawr: common sense trumps "dotting I's and crossing T's" in my book |
| 18:28.30 | bawr | Sorry for being a pain, but I want to get this right... I'd really like to implement my idea. :) |
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| 18:30.14 | gchaix | no problem |
| 18:30.23 | gchaix | your questions are good ones and not a pain |
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| 18:30.43 | |Kev| | sfb: please don't get me too interested in NeL. I can't afford to decide I want to work on games on top of everything else I do. |
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| 18:34.13 | sfb | |Kev|: NeL gets more interesting every day. (; |
| 18:34.25 | |Kev| | Were you listening? :p |
| 18:34.48 | sfb | hahah |
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| 18:36.07 | sfb | I know your pain. I develop for OpenNMS, I'm the community manager for NeL and I herd cats for/work on three NeL-based games. |
| 18:37.53 | sfb | Fortunately OpenNMS has kind of become when I need to scratch an itch for work and the game projects are either on hold or minor puzzle-type games. |
| 18:38.00 | sfb | Anyway. |
| 18:38.16 | ideamonk | is googlecode.com down for everyone or just for me ? |
| 18:38.32 | sfb | We're doing some pretty excitng stuff with NeL. Making it more of a full blown MMO framework now. Porting tools to several platforms, etc. |
| 18:38.32 | skbohra_ | only you |
| 18:38.37 | skbohra_ | ideamonk: ^ |
| 18:38.38 | ideamonk | :/ |
| 18:38.43 | ideamonk | yupyup :/ |
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| 18:38.49 | |Kev| | The list of stuff I do doesn't look that much on paper - dayjob + chair xmpp council + develop on Swift, but I find myself with very little free time in the end. |
| 18:38.59 | sfb | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/googlecode.com |
| 18:39.06 | ideamonk | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pykata.googlecode.com :( |
| 18:39.09 | ideamonk | down for me |
| 18:39.15 | |Kev| | Blogging about spending lots of time playing MMOs seems like such a luxury from 6 years ago. |
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| 18:40.01 | sfb | |Kev|: Oh poof. Coding and playing are two distinct things that have nothing to do with each other. (; |
| 18:40.08 | ajuonline | kai: pm? |
| 18:40.10 | thebolt | |Kev|: well, dayjob (or well, master thesis + related project) takes all my time ;) |
| 18:40.19 | mlankhorst | is it really? |
| 18:40.25 | sfb | ajuonline: he's afk iirc. |
| 18:40.31 | |Kev| | thebolt: You can't fool me there, I did a PhD. That was my MMO phase :p |
| 18:40.32 | mlankhorst | some of my coding is really playing |
| 18:40.33 | sfb | ajuonline: I think he said he went dancing. (; |
| 18:40.56 | sfb | |Kev|: hahah nice. Make your play work and vice versa. |
| 18:41.22 | thebolt | |Kev|: well, i am writing my master thesis, working on that project in general (my thesis is only a small part), and starting a company related to it at the same time ;) |
| 18:41.25 | ajuonline | dayem. |
| 18:41.29 | ajuonline | thebolt: pm? |
| 18:41.35 | thebolt | lately i've done 2 and 3 more than 1 though |
| 18:41.37 | thebolt | ajuonline: sure |
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| 18:43.04 | |Kev| | sfb: since I started doing XMPP stuff for my day job, my work/play boundary has become increasingly blurred. |
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| 18:43.59 | sfb | |Kev|: Nice. That's always a good thing. |
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| 18:44.11 | |Kev| | It's actually less good than you might think. |
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| 18:44.21 | sfb | |Kev|: Why do you say that? |
| 18:44.26 | |Kev| | My last job was 9-5, and I didn't do much outside that. |
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| 18:44.41 | |Kev| | This job I can easily end up starting at 8am and still be doing stuff at 10pm |
| 18:44.52 | |Kev| | a) I enjoy it - Good. |
| 18:45.07 | |Kev| | b) That's time I'm not spending on everything else - Not *as* good. |
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| 18:45.12 | |Kev| | Everything in moderation, and all that. |
| 18:45.38 | sfb | I have a pretty good relationship with my boss and my employees. |
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| 18:45.47 | sfb | We work to live, we don't live to work. Put in your 8 and go home. |
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| 18:45.54 | crieger | ahoi |
| 18:45.57 | bawr | So... XMPP *is* sexy? I'd never guess. |
| 18:46.03 | ideamonk | skbohra_, can you ping 216.239.59.82 ?? |
| 18:46.07 | sfb | bawr: It solves everything. (; |
| 18:46.15 | pentalis | Sorry, a quick question: when registering, the Phone number I have to write in, is my home phone number, or can it be my cell phone? (I'm a foreigner so I don't know what's the convention :[ ) |
| 18:46.16 | |Kev| | sfb: well, right. Until you find yourself enjoying your work, plus working from home, and suddenly things become a bit blurred :) |
| 18:46.34 | skbohra_ | ideamonk: yup |
| 18:46.38 | sfb | Fair enough. I'm married w/2 kids. |
| 18:46.39 | |Kev| | Or they did for me, anyway. |
| 18:46.53 | |Kev| | I lack the two kids. |
| 18:46.55 | ideamonk | skbohra_, :( thats the issue here, somehow im unable to reach it :/ |
| 18:46.56 | sfb | When I do work from home I have three people reminding me that my day is over. (; |
| 18:47.09 | skbohra_ | ideamonk: seems your isp screwing it |
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| 18:47.17 | ideamonk | skbohra_, yup seems like |
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| 18:47.44 | skbohra_ | ideamonk: try google dns ? |
| 18:47.54 | skbohra_ | oops |
| 18:48.17 | ideamonk | skbohra_, I got all three, the thing is cant even ping the ip :/ |
| 18:48.23 | |Kev| | bawr: it certainly is. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596521271 tells you all about it ;) |
| 18:48.24 | skbohra_ | yeah :D |
| 18:48.50 | bawr | |Kev|: Man... I guess if I don't marry, some interesting organisation will be very happy with me... until I die of a heart attack while codding in the wee hours of the morning. :) |
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| 18:50.44 | fax | is there a list of project? |
| 18:50.48 | sfb | bawr: As long as that org is mine, your code is prolific and quality... then I don't see the problem. (; |
| 18:50.54 | sfb | !orgs |
| 18:50.54 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 18:50.59 | micahcowan | bawr, yeah, blurring the line between work and play _too_ much might result in a nasty end like: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/09/1628216 ^_^ |
| 18:52.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | can anybody tell me why the bang-commands don't work for me? is it my client (pidgin) or something else? when I type !faq I get a message saying there was an error executing your command |
| 18:52.43 | |Kev| | Sounds like Pidgin's intercepting them |
| 18:52.53 | |Kev| | Maybe try something like / !faq |
| 18:53.06 | sfb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.10 | sfb | haha |
| 18:53.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | !faq |
| 18:53.36 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 18:53.57 | micahcowan | I have never gotten socinfo to work via pm/query |
| 18:54.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | ha!, but then I think I'm the onlyone who sees the reply? |
| 18:54.19 | |Kev| | 19:53 < Wolf_OSGeo> !faq |
| 18:54.19 | |Kev| | 19:53 < socinfo> "faq" is |
| 18:54.20 | |Kev| | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 18:54.22 | spsneo | what is that tab for "make public" |
| 18:54.24 | |Kev| | Like that? :p |
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| 18:54.41 | gchaix | pentalis: whatever number you want the org to call you on if they need to reach you |
| 18:54.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | |Kev|: cool so sfb:s /msg way works :D |
| 18:54.50 | gchaix | (or Google) |
| 18:54.55 | pentalis | gchaix: thank you very much. |
| 18:54.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | I never saw my own !faq :D |
| 18:55.04 | spsneo | !faq |
| 18:55.04 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 18:55.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | ahaa! so it doesn't need to be at the start of the line :D |
| 18:55.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | #!faq :P |
| 18:55.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | dang! hash-bang isn't supported |
| 18:56.00 | stas | guys, that bot is annoying... :) |
| 18:56.13 | |Kev| | stas: /ignore is your friend. then. |
| 18:56.17 | sfb | hahah |
| 18:56.19 | thebolt | stas: it saves us from going crazy :P |
| 18:56.40 | stas | hope hes not going to spam me everytime i join :P |
| 18:57.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | indeed, and it's helpfull, but it could be even smarter and reply by itself to some common whine, which was discussed earlier |
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| 19:20.14 | smtms | is 12th of June the midterm date? |
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| 19:21.13 | downeym | !timeline |
| 19:21.14 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 19:21.40 | smtms | downeym, can you answer my question? or you are just pretending to be smart? |
| 19:22.29 | downeym | smtms: The timeline is there ^^^ which explains it in more detail |
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| 19:23.05 | smtms | downeym, there's no single day labeled midterm |
| 19:23.12 | downeym | smtms: Correct. |
| 19:23.30 | ajuonline | it usually is a process of few days, iirc. |
| 19:23.32 | smtms | there are 7 weeks of coding time before 12th of June and 5 - after |
| 19:23.47 | smtms | and midterm is supposed to be in the middle... |
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| 19:29.02 | scgtrp | i just got a notification saying there was a public review on my proposal, but clicking the link just takes me to the proposal itself :/ |
| 19:29.16 | micahcowan | Yes, scroll down. |
| 19:29.29 | scgtrp | nothing there |
| 19:30.12 | bawr | I-arrrrrgh. Why oh why does Melange add <p> </p> in-betreen my paragraphs? And why does it add it back after I remove it from the HTML view? |
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| 19:31.02 | smtms | bawr, to piss you off and finally coerce you into becoming a Melange contributor |
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| 19:31.35 | stas | :)) |
| 19:31.53 | jcreigh | it's the Google Summer of Loathing program. :P |
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| 19:32.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | smtms: so you are saying that melange has no bugs, everything is just a feature to invite more developers ;) |
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| 19:33.02 | bawr | For heaven's sake, can't I just disable TinyMCE altogether? |
| 19:33.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | perhaps melange could use the 4d imaginary pointers we discussed yesterday? |
| 19:33.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: no, that would be too easy ;) |
| 19:33.50 | bawr | I mean damn, all I want to do is to paste my markdown-generated html. :/ |
| 19:34.05 | Mek | also I think it's not only tinymce causing problems, but also some of the serverside html filtering? |
| 19:34.17 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: open it in a browser and copy-paste? |
| 19:34.35 | stas | bawr: there should be an html button |
| 19:34.52 | stas | I used it, but DO NOT edit it again :) |
| 19:35.36 | bawr | I'm using the HTML button. I paste my stuff, click on save... and see it mangled. |
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| 19:37.10 | stas | omg, look at this application: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/adimania/t126992921125 the markup is the worst I've ever seen |
| 19:37.27 | stas | smtms: where's that melange repo, let me see if I can help somehow :) |
| 19:37.47 | smtms | stas, code.google.com/p/melange or code.google.com/p/soc, I'm not sure |
| 19:38.14 | stas | found it, thanks |
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| 19:39.02 | bawr | stas: It's pretty bad. I wonder what was the image supposed to be. |
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| 19:39.23 | smtms | they are a mentoring organization so you can spend your summer flipping melange bugs instead of burgers |
| 19:39.38 | stas | bawr: dunno, but as an org I would doubd accepting such an application :( |
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| 19:42.30 | bawr | There should be a checkbox like "damn you, don't touch my html". :/ |
| 19:44.04 | scgtrp | if someone answered me i missed it: i got a notification that there was a review on my proposal, but there's nothing there. where is it? |
| 19:44.38 | scgtrp | ohh, it's showing up now. -_- |
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| 19:46.34 | stas | spammed them with some markdown related wysiwygs |
| 19:46.53 | bawr | Ah... Disabling JS did the trick. |
| 19:47.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: :D |
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| 19:47.41 | kblin | stas: dunno, the jpeg is a turn-off, I know that tinymce is broken |
| 19:48.21 | kblin | but I think that shade of green violates the geneva convention |
| 19:48.28 | stas | :)) you really diabled the js... thats desperate :) |
| 19:48.34 | sfb | kblin: ajuonline was looking for you earlier. |
| 19:48.50 | kblin | oh? |
| 19:48.55 | kblin | reads scrollback |
| 19:49.12 | sfb | kblin: Just said "pm?" |
| 19:49.13 | sfb | haha |
| 19:49.27 | bawr | ...arrrgh. HTTP 500 when I submit. :/ |
| 19:49.50 | kblin | bawr: try again |
| 19:49.55 | sreich | kblin: heh, it is a horrible green, isn't it? :D |
| 19:50.01 | kblin | that's not even melange's fault |
| 19:50.06 | kblin | sreich: yeah |
| 19:50.13 | kblin | it hurts and stings |
| 19:50.13 | sreich | what if the Ui had hardcoded color values like that. ;-) |
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| 19:50.34 | ajuonline | kai: :) i got what I needed ;) |
| 19:50.40 | kblin | sreich: gimp is free software and can be used to change it |
| 19:50.43 | ajuonline | kai: but but, can I still PM? :P |
| 19:51.05 | bawr | ...you have got to be fucking kidding me. TinyMCE rapes my html, and if I try to submit without JS, I get 500. |
| 19:51.12 | kblin | you can pm kai all you like if you don't mind me not responding untill I'm back at work tomorrow |
| 19:51.24 | ajuonline | blah. ok kblin ?: : |
| 19:51.46 | bawr | I... I... *kicks something* |
| 19:51.47 | sreich | kblin: huh? the jpeg? |
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| 19:52.45 | kblin | sreich: the color, if it's hardcoded into whatever program that created it |
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| 19:53.25 | sreich | kblin: wasn't talking about that, was talking about the ui having the possibility of being *exactly* like the mockup ;-) |
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| 19:54.57 | bawr | Almost works now... I really need to take a break. |
| 19:55.27 | kblin | sreich: ew |
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| 20:13.00 | bear | will durinbot spam me everytime my network connection resets? |
| 20:13.20 | Catfish_Man | shouldn't |
| 20:13.28 | bear | cool |
| 20:13.54 | Catfish_Man | I can bug Augie if it does; let me know |
| 20:14.04 | bear | :) |
| 20:14.23 | Ian_Corne | what is durinbot? |
| 20:14.32 | Ian_Corne | durinbot: explain yourself! |
| 20:14.50 | bear | it greeted me and reminded me about checking the FAQ |
| 20:14.57 | Ian_Corne | aha :) |
| 20:15.01 | bear | with a "since I don't know you" type introduction |
| 20:15.33 | kblin | !orgs |
| 20:15.33 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 20:15.41 | Ian_Corne | you're on a dynamic IP, maybe it checks your full hostname, and you disconnect because of IP refresh? |
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| 20:16.00 | bear | Ian_Corne, na - disconnected because comcast is .... well, anyways |
| 20:16.43 | bear | I've had a request in for a vhost to freenode going on 8 years now - i've given up |
| 20:16.53 | Ian_Corne | Hehe |
| 20:17.24 | bear | but that's ok - the org I was with back then is no more - i've moved on |
| 20:17.29 | bear | so it would just be wrong |
| 20:18.10 | Ian_Corne | it'd be like living in a ghosthouse |
| 20:18.31 | bear | which would be nice actually |
| 20:18.35 | kblin | hehe |
| 20:18.47 | Ian_Corne | Unless they start pestering your cats |
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| 20:19.00 | bear | yea, my cats would keep them busy for sure |
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| 20:21.36 | thebolt | hm, time to cut off that hair (on my head.. not all of it but almost;) |
| 20:23.36 | skcidea | Can someone tell me what raw-lite is ? I can't find this package ? |
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| 20:27.52 | skcidea | come on ....someone |
| 20:28.05 | kblin | !gsoc |
| 20:28.05 | socinfo | "gsoc" is gsoc refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoire-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
| 20:28.32 | killerchicken_ | what is an open source? |
| 20:28.39 | killerchicken_ | ok ok scnr ;) |
| 20:28.46 | Catfish_Man | it's like open sores, but more painful |
| 20:28.57 | killerchicken_ | uh, I'll stay clear of it |
| 20:28.58 | Landon | thebolt: I could go for a haircut |
| 20:29.02 | Landon | hard finding time though :( |
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| 20:29.29 | micahcowan | skcidea, I dunno. Some vague pseudo-memory makes me believe it's some sort of archive format, and possibly not available on Unixen? Seems like Google would be your best bet for finding out... |
| 20:30.06 | mlankhorst | !google |
| 20:30.06 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 20:30.15 | mlankhorst | !wwgd |
| 20:30.15 | socinfo | Error: "wwgd" is not a valid command. |
| 20:30.22 | skcidea | lo |
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| 20:30.33 | smtms | I don't like it that a negative definition is used for google |
| 20:30.37 | Landon | !lmgtfy |
| 20:30.37 | socinfo | Error: "lmgtfy" is not a valid command. |
| 20:30.46 | skcidea | micahcowan, okay... |
| 20:32.04 | Catfish_Man | smtms: that definition was put there by a google person :P |
| 20:32.36 | ihalip | question: if i submit my proposal, should i check 'Make public'? |
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| 20:32.50 | ihalip | more specifically, what does 'public' mean? all mentors? all students? everyone? |
| 20:33.41 | kblin | everyone, I think |
| 20:33.51 | Catfish_Man | anyone with a gsoc login, iirc |
| 20:34.44 | scgtrp | yeah |
| 20:34.47 | ihalip | ok then, not public |
| 20:35.14 | ihalip | aaaargh damn, it messed up the formatting |
| 20:35.17 | mkarnicki | some ppl say it's better to make it public |
| 20:35.23 | mkarnicki | so that u get more feedback |
| 20:35.32 | smtms | or more stealing |
| 20:35.33 | mkarnicki | and even if some1 copies your idea, every1 knows who was first. |
| 20:36.07 | mkarnicki | smtms: u really think so? i think i heard it even here at #gsoc that making it public may have positive sides |
| 20:36.23 | mess110 | there are a lot of positive sides of making it public |
| 20:36.36 | mkarnicki | mess110: u student at gsoc ? |
| 20:36.36 | mess110 | the whole idea of open source |
| 20:36.39 | mess110 | yes |
| 20:36.43 | mkarnicki | :) |
| 20:36.46 | scgtrp | mkarnicki: stealing an idea is certainly possible, although i haven't found a way to view other proposals without being linked to them |
| 20:37.13 | mkarnicki | scgtrp: i see. but even if it is, the org would investigate who posted it first, right? or something like that.. |
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| 20:37.57 | smtms | mkarnicki, investigate? you think mentors have nothing better to do? |
| 20:38.09 | scgtrp | mkarnicki: well, if someone steals my idea and is over 9000 times more qualified to do it than i am, i think it's fair that they still get it. (also i used an idea that was already on the ideas page so it doesn't matter for me :P) |
| 20:38.43 | mkarnicki | smtms: I don't know.. but if there are 3 proposals (or even 10) and 1 mentor, he will check that, won't he? |
| 20:39.21 | scgtrp | with blatant plagiarism i would expect them to notice mine came first and set the other person on fire... uhh, i mean reject their application |
| 20:39.32 | mkarnicki | scgtrp: there's a point to it, you're right. one (of 2?) reasons i'm a bit scared to applying with public option |
| 20:39.34 | scgtrp | but just taking ideas isn't as bad |
| 20:39.46 | mkarnicki | scgtrp: agreed |
| 20:39.47 | smtms | mkarnicki, copying may be less obvious, like noticing that another student is addressing some kind of concern you didn't think of and then including this in your proposal |
| 20:40.12 | smtms | I mean addressing the concern as well |
| 20:40.20 | mkarnicki | scgtrp: taking ideas isn't bad. raw copy / stealing student proposed projects - is. |
| 20:40.28 | scgtrp | mkarnicki: that's what i just said. |
| 20:40.49 | mkarnicki | scgtrp: i know, threw in my 2 cents :) |
| 20:41.07 | mkarnicki | scgtrp: or.. whatever :D agreed! |
| 20:41.14 | scgtrp | :) |
| 20:41.16 | mkarnicki | smtms: maybe.. |
| 20:41.23 | mkarnicki | anyone made project public? |
| 20:41.29 | scgtrp | i made mine public |
| 20:41.46 | scgtrp | although tbh i essentially rewrote the page on the nmap site and added a timeline to it |
| 20:41.52 | smtms | scgtrp, it's crap! it's not worth stealing from! :-P |
| 20:41.53 | mkarnicki | mess110: did you make yours public? |
| 20:42.06 | mess110 | I didn't send any applications yet |
| 20:42.19 | scgtrp | smtms: and the full contents of it are available elsewhere, with different wording. :P |
| 20:42.36 | smtms | that doesn't speak well of your changes to get accepted |
| 20:42.52 | smtms | maybe you should do some more research till the 9th of Apirl |
| 20:43.04 | scgtrp | well, not the *full* contents |
| 20:43.16 | scgtrp | i'm just saying, the ideas aren't originally mine |
| 20:43.33 | scgtrp | i've noticed at least one other person on the mailing list who also applied to the same project |
| 20:43.43 | mess110 | but everything I talked with them was public. with the exception of debugging code and questions regarding my case only. ex: if my english level is enough |
| 20:43.51 | ihalip | oh there we go, no idea why melange messed up the formatting that time |
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| 20:44.37 | mkarnicki | ihalip: i think its a known issue, but ask others. i haven't applied yet. |
| 20:45.05 | smtms | isn't melange another word for mess? |
| 20:45.11 | mkarnicki | ihalip: perhaps you can paste wiki html code into melange html view somehow (thats what i heard) |
| 20:45.32 | mkarnicki | smtms: no, at my country its another word for relax (or, chill) ;) |
| 20:45.36 | ihalip | i think it was because i copied and pasted from the google doc i used, keeping the font, but deleting all newlines |
| 20:45.56 | ihalip | if i copy from a text editor and paste the text there, with no formatting, it comes out right |
| 20:46.07 | mkarnicki | there was an issue with new lines, but hopefully some1 from here can help u. |
| 20:46.19 | ihalip | no need any more, proposal submitted |
| 20:46.28 | ihalip | can now relax and have a glass of wine |
| 20:46.30 | scgtrp | ihalip: i wrote half of it in the page and then got tired of it and copied the html into kate :P |
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| 20:46.42 | mkarnicki | ihalip: u can always edit it till 9th, right? ) |
| 20:46.43 | mkarnicki | :) |
| 20:46.44 | sreich | yay, kate ;-) |
| 20:46.46 | ihalip | yeah |
| 20:47.00 | ihalip | but i hate doing it over at socghop everytime i need to change like, a letter |
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| 20:47.21 | scgtrp | save html, edit and copy back into html box later |
| 20:47.30 | scgtrp | it's annoying, but it beats that editor. :P |
| 20:47.35 | ihalip | i used google docs because i keep changing computers and don't have any usb stick to carry it around |
| 20:47.56 | ihalip | whoah |
| 20:48.01 | mkarnicki | i'm off for now, l8r |
| 20:48.03 | ihalip | the doc has 242 revisions :O |
| 20:48.18 | mkarnicki | (ihalip u can always use some kind of wiki, html powered ;) right?) |
| 20:48.27 | ihalip | google docs. |
| 20:49.02 | mkarnicki | i know, i read that :) what i mean - using html may save u some time. ok, laters! |
| 20:49.03 | smtms | you can always use your custom XML Schema and render to HTML via XSL/XSLT :-) |
| 20:49.13 | mkarnicki | smtm: :D |
| 20:50.11 | scgtrp | hm, reading over my application again, i did go into more detail than the original doc on the internals of it |
| 20:50.36 | scgtrp | the feature list was pretty much the only thing i copied, and i even rewrote that |
| 20:51.30 | kblin | most people who send copy&paste proposals don't have a clue what they're talking about |
| 20:51.44 | kblin | you can usually filter those out pretty quickly |
| 20:52.13 | ihalip | kblin: i copy/pasted mine. several times |
| 20:52.26 | ihalip | from google docs to melange, then from google docs to notepad then to melange |
| 20:52.30 | kblin | me |
| 20:52.43 | kblin | I know that you know what I meant |
| 20:52.47 | ihalip | :) |
| 20:52.54 | scgtrp | definitely wasn't copy/paste, i didn't hit ^C once :) |
| 20:54.47 | thebolt | remembers refactoring ~1MB of source, not a single copy-paste :P |
| 20:55.29 | ihalip | whoah |
| 20:55.40 | ihalip | how did you manage to stay sane ? |
| 20:55.47 | |Kev| | thebolt: you know that kill and yank counts as well, right? :p |
| 20:56.27 | thebolt | ihalip: well, we were two people, two months full time of hard work :P |
| 20:56.33 | thebolt | |Kev|: hm? not sure what you refer to :P |
| 20:56.41 | kblin | ihalip: wait a sec, what gave you the impression thebolt was sane? |
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| 20:56.51 | thebolt | kblin: true ;) |
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| 20:57.23 | ihalip | well.. right; who in their right mind would even think about refactoring 1MB worth of code without a single copy/paste? |
| 20:57.36 | Catfish_Man | someone careful |
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| 20:57.51 | thebolt | ihalip: someone who wants to keep the algorithms but not the implementation details (in all cases) |
| 20:58.13 | thebolt | kblin: at least you can say that ihalips statement has an unchecked precondition ;) |
| 20:58.23 | ihalip | don't you mean rewriting ? |
| 20:58.33 | |Kev| | thebolt: you know that's not technically refactoring then, right? :) |
| 20:59.01 | thebolt | |Kev|: well, in my definition and the one of wikipedia it is ;) |
| 20:59.15 | |Kev| | Oh, what does wikipedia say about it? |
| 20:59.20 | thebolt | "Code refactoring is the process of changing a computer program's source code without modifying its external functional behavior in order to improve some of the nonfunctional attributes of the software" |
| 20:59.29 | kblin | |Kev|: search/replace doesn't count as cut/past either ;) |
| 20:59.51 | micahcowan | Yeah, I would think refactoring often involves rewrites. Many code snippets aren't possible to refactor without one. |
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| 21:00.05 | micahcowan | thebolt, hm, that definition's rather general/vague for my tastes. |
| 21:00.29 | kblin | hail carols |
| 21:00.29 | |Kev| | Actually, that definition's taken pretty much verbatim from Refactoring |
| 21:00.38 | carols | hey kblin, how you doing |
| 21:00.42 | carols | is full of burgers |
| 21:00.59 | kblin | carols: sounds good. :) I'm fine, thanks |
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| 21:01.18 | |Kev| | However, it stops short of the rest of the description |
| 21:01.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | mm burger... |
| 21:01.29 | |Kev| | which includes saying that it must be small, iterative steps. |
| 21:01.35 | micahcowan | |Kev|, may be, but without being more specific about "some of the nonfunctional attributes of the software", it's not a very helpful def IMO. |
| 21:01.46 | carols | mmm burger is right |
| 21:01.51 | thebolt | hi carols |
| 21:02.00 | carols | hey thebolt |
| 21:02.04 | |Kev| | micahcowan: right, you need the rest of the 'What Is Refactoring?' pre-section :) |
| 21:02.14 | |Kev| | puts Fowler back on the shelf. |
| 21:02.31 | |Kev| | also, hi carols. |
| 21:02.41 | carols | hey |Kev| |
| 21:02.47 | carols | such warm welcomes today, thanks guys :-) |
| 21:03.08 | |Kev| | Only because I'm hoping you'll supply burgers :p |
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| 21:06.35 | carols | hehe...fair enough. :-) just burgers for lh's going away celebration |
| 21:06.39 | carols | i was a hanger-on |
| 21:06.51 | |Kev| | I completely missed that lh was going away. |
| 21:07.04 | |Kev| | Bigger and better things? |
| 21:07.15 | Catfish_Man | different and more tropical things, certainly |
| 21:07.19 | micahcowan | http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2010/02/next-stage-of-adventure.html |
| 21:07.28 | |Kev| | micah: thanks |
| 21:08.20 | micahcowan | suddenly wonders why a post written on March 31 goes under "/2010/02" :) |
| 21:08.20 | kblin | second post in 2010? |
| 21:08.21 | micahcowan | |Kev|, there was also an announce on some of the gsoc lists (mentors at least, I think?), but I don't have that link handy, and I was just reading this one. |
| 21:08.38 | kblin | hm, so much for that theory |
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| 21:09.09 | carols | i think she's been composing it for a while and blogger has strange things where it makes the date of the post the date you start writing it |
| 21:09.10 | |Kev| | I became an org admin quite late, I wasn't following the mentors list until then |
| 21:09.22 | carols | yeah, |Kev|, you guys are stuck with me this year :-) |
| 21:09.47 | micahcowan | carols, btw, welcome, congratulations, and best (lots and lots) of luck |
| 21:10.02 | carols | thanks so much, micahcowan. :-) looking forward to a good summer with you guys |
| 21:10.07 | |Kev| | carols: Welcome. Now I'm going to have to researceh you. |
| 21:10.13 | |Kev| | Anyone know a good search engine? |
| 21:10.30 | carols | hehe thanks |Kev| :-) good luck with the name "carol smith" ;-) |
| 21:10.30 | micahcowan | hopes the burgers were adequate compensation for being saddled with this role, but suspects it's not. |
| 21:10.44 | |Kev| | Ah, well, that saves me the first bit of effort. |
| 21:11.00 | |Kev| | Anyway, I suspect I'd find it easier to find you, than you to find which Kevin Smith I am :p |
| 21:11.05 | micahcowan | s/it's/they're/ for the pedantic :) |
| 21:11.20 | carols | micahcowan: no, i just want to give open source my time and attention. as far as i'm concerned you are all saving the world and i'd like to help facilitate. burgers are a nice side benefit :-) |
| 21:11.48 | Catfish_Man | carols: heh, I'm ungoogleable too. "David Smith" |
| 21:11.52 | carols | |Kev|: good luck. let me know what you come up with :-) |
| 21:12.01 | ihalip | lots of Smiths around here |
| 21:12.04 | |Kev| | You're a flower arranger. |
| 21:12.06 | smtms | "Adium David Smith" |
| 21:12.10 | |Kev| | Sounds like an interesting job. |
| 21:12.11 | Catfish_Man | the … unique … screenname helps a lot though |
| 21:12.19 | thebolt | hehe.. me is easy to find |
| 21:12.22 | thebolt | just one me in the world.. |
| 21:12.26 | carols | ha! I didn't know that was your real name, Catfish_Man. it's both a benefit and a problem to be ungoogleable, me thinks |
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| 21:12.37 | scgtrp | Catfish_Man: ... dad? :P |
| 21:12.46 | Catfish_Man | scgtrp: news to me :P |
| 21:12.48 | |Kev| | Ah, you appear to be fossygirl |
| 21:12.53 | micahcowan | caramon, some of us are saving the world, others of us are mostly wasting googlers' time asking faq questions, and still others of us perhaps a good helping of both. |
| 21:12.56 | thebolt | a friend a couple of years tried it by sending me a post card from chile with <firstname> <lastname> Sweden.. i got it after a while ;) |
| 21:12.58 | micahcowan | carols, ^ sorry |
| 21:12.58 | carols | good job, |Kev| :-) |
| 21:13.12 | Catfish_Man | the rolling stone gathers no foss |
| 21:13.22 | scgtrp | is michael james smith. the most ungoogleable name in the world |
| 21:13.26 | |Kev| | Once up a time, you dressed so fine |
| 21:13.32 | evanpro | Catfish_Man, +1 |
| 21:13.34 | |Kev| | threw the bum a dime, in your time, didn't you? |
| 21:13.37 | Catfish_Man | scgtrp: ^5 my brother is michael timothy smith |
| 21:13.54 | brother- | bah |
| 21:14.21 | thebolt | "what is the purpose of your stay, mr smith!" .. :P |
| 21:14.37 | |Kev| | carols: having different identi.ca and twitter names is just confusing :p |
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| 21:14.59 | carols | |Kev|: and a different IRC nick too :-) |
| 21:15.13 | kblin | hehe |
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| 21:15.21 | thebolt | :) |
| 21:15.22 | |Kev| | I'm Kev almost universally, apart from twitter, where I was late to the game. |
| 21:15.24 | Catfish_Man | I'm one of two Catfish_Man nick'd people on the net |
| 21:15.29 | Catfish_Man | the other one is some ****er on a truck forum |
| 21:15.33 | thebolt | hehe |
| 21:15.40 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: trucker? |
| 21:15.45 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 21:15.48 | Landon | |Kev|: lucky, I rarely get Landon :( |
| 21:15.51 | micahcowan | My name (same as nick) is eminently googlable, though I actually just found some other Micah Cowan on Facebook. 13-year-old, I think. We're "friends" now. |
| 21:15.58 | Landon | I had to reclaim this nick on freenode even |
| 21:16.09 | |Kev| | Well, on IRCs I need my pipes. |
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| 21:16.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | gah! again it is past midnight! :( |
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| 21:16.21 | scgtrp | no it isn't. |
| 21:16.26 | scgtrp | get in the One True Time Zone :D |
| 21:16.30 | |Kev| | BST |
| 21:16.33 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: :) |
| 21:16.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | scgtrp: not this again. I get a dejavu |
| 21:16.54 | scgtrp | |Kev|: no, changes every hour so it's always almost midnight |
| 21:17.51 | |Kev| | OK, curiosity sated, time to stop cyberstalking the poor lass. |
| 21:17.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | scgtrp: you want to expand on the 4d imaginary pointer? |
| 21:18.06 | thebolt | micahcowan: your dayjob is as a nurse? |
| 21:18.22 | mess110 | now this is just confusing |
| 21:18.23 | micahcowan | thebolt, lol. What? |
| 21:18.30 | scgtrp | Wolf_OSGeo: the 4d part wasn't my idea, but i still think time travel would be awesome, if useless |
| 21:18.46 | thebolt | micahcowan: just foudn a micah cowan practicing as a nurse in fort worth, tx ;) |
| 21:18.51 | micahcowan | Ah, just saw it. |
| 21:18.59 | thebolt | but guessed it was a third person |
| 21:19.01 | micahcowan | That makes three of us so far, then. |
| 21:19.05 | thebolt | (unless that nurse is 13 ;) |
| 21:19.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | scgtrp: 4d imaginary was where we left off, perhaps we need some new twist to it? |
| 21:19.11 | micahcowan | Yeah, figured you knew that :) |
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| 21:19.20 | scgtrp | Wolf_OSGeo: i'm still not sure how that would even work |
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| 21:19.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | scgtrp: I have no idea either, but who cares it sounds cool ;) :P |
| 21:19.43 | thebolt | micahcowan: so not quite alone ;) |
| 21:19.46 | micahcowan | Of course, the facebooker's profile says 1985, so supposedly 25, but since his profile pics, and those of _all_ his friends, look decidedly younger than that... :) |
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| 21:20.07 | scgtrp | micahcowan: maybe he's a pedophile? ;) |
| 21:20.42 | thebolt | micahcowan: i find hm.. 6 micah cowan on facebook ;) |
| 21:20.48 | micahcowan | thebolt, it's funny, because Micah is (or was? I seem to be meeting more of them lately) a pretty unique name, so just meeting someone with the same first name was something of an occasion, but it's just plain weird to know there are three people with the same first _and_ last name |
| 21:20.57 | micahcowan | Wow, okay. |
| 21:21.22 | micahcowan | /nick micahjohncowan,son-of... |
| 21:21.37 | thebolt | micahcowan: hehe |
| 21:22.55 | kblin | man, I admire the galls of my phone provider |
| 21:23.13 | smtms | micahcowan, maybe your father liked the name so much that he gave it to all three of his sons :-P |
| 21:23.25 | |Kev| | kblin: ? |
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| 21:28.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | kblin: please elaborate |
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| 21:29.23 | kblin | Wolf_OSGeo: they send me an email saying my current phone bill is available for download |
| 21:29.52 | kblin | and when I follow the provided link, I get a page saying "yeah, we're currently rebuilding the website, come back later" |
| 21:30.01 | kblin | with no indication when "later" would be |
| 21:30.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | hah! |
| 21:30.24 | thebolt | hah |
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| 21:30.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | sounds familiar :P |
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| 21:31.54 | kblin | why does each and every phone provider suck? I mean, shouldn't capitalism make providers that don't suck more viable? |
| 21:32.17 | Catfish_Man | kblin: unless they collude |
| 21:32.40 | Catfish_Man | or unless the cost of entry for new players is so high that it outweighs the potential gains of offering a good service |
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| 21:32.50 | Catfish_Man | I suspect both are true here |
| 21:33.02 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:33.08 | kblin | sighs |
| 21:33.19 | smtms | consumers suck, thefore the market doesn't work as expected |
| 21:33.33 | Catfish_Man | smtms: actually no, neither of those reasons has anything to do with consumers |
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| 21:33.55 | Catfish_Man | the second is a variant of the tragedy of the commons (the commons here being spectrum and land for towers) |
| 21:34.02 | Catfish_Man | and the first is just plain non-market forces |
| 21:34.05 | kblin | I guess I'll just have to write them a letter telling them that if they don't give me access to my telephone bill, I won't pay them :) |
| 21:34.32 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I'm talking landline phone here, btw |
| 21:34.36 | Catfish_Man | oh |
| 21:34.39 | Catfish_Man | dunno anything about landlines |
| 21:34.41 | Catfish_Man | haven't had one in years |
| 21:34.58 | kblin | well, it's the only way to get decent internet here |
| 21:35.24 | kblin | in fact the phone line I have just adds 2 bucks a month to my internet bill |
| 21:36.10 | thebolt | kblin: in my case it works the other way.. the closest i have to a land-line is a SIP trunk on my internet (ethernet-to-fiber) connection ;) |
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| 21:37.31 | kblin | thebolt: basically I don't care about the phone line alot, but I do want to see the phone bill before paying them any money :) |
| 21:38.10 | thebolt | :) |
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| 22:01.02 | ruturaj_sleep | i didnt have the option to subscibe to my proposals updates till now..(24 hrs since i created it) and now its suddenly there.. |
| 22:01.12 | ruturaj_sleep | was this delay inherent? |
| 22:01.28 | kblin | or it's a new feature |
| 22:01.36 | kblin | melange is sort of a moving target :) |
| 22:01.58 | ruturaj_sleep | ohk..so does that mean even he mentors of that org got to see it from now on? |
| 22:02.08 | ruturaj_sleep | cause i have been asking and they havent seen it till now.. |
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| 22:08.55 | kblin | probably |
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| 22:34.14 | ideamonk | Hey do students also code after Mid term evaluation? All I can see is pencil down dates after interim period of mid term evaluation |
| 22:34.29 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 22:35.15 | ideamonk | Catfish_Man, so say I got 10 tasks to do in GSoC, and I finish 5 before mid term, 5 after Mid Term, that's okay right. |
| 22:35.22 | dho | yes |
| 22:35.23 | Catfish_Man | certainly |
| 22:35.30 | dho | Or 7 before and 3 after |
| 22:35.35 | dho | or 3 before and 7 after |
| 22:35.37 | ideamonk | What exactly do we mean by "pencil" down date ? |
| 22:35.47 | summatusmentis | "stop coding" |
| 22:35.48 | dho | no new code is submitted for the purposes of gsoc |
| 22:35.52 | summatusmentis | or, yes |
| 22:35.54 | summatusmentis | what dho said |
| 22:36.13 | Catfish_Man | http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=mid |
| 22:36.13 | dho | It's the final state of what you will be evaluated upon |
| 22:36.36 | ideamonk | okay |
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| 22:39.42 | carols | is sad |
| 22:39.44 | carols | lh is gone |
| 22:39.50 | Catfish_Man | :( |
| 22:39.52 | carols | has a tea and a pastry for lh |
| 22:40.17 | ideamonk | so after mid term, on what date can we start coding again ? Aug 9th ? |
| 22:40.30 | Catfish_Man | ideamonk: you keep coding through the midterm |
| 22:40.32 | dho | You can continue coding through the midterm |
| 22:40.39 | Catfish_Man | you only stop once, at the end |
| 22:41.04 | thebolt | you don't stop.. you're like the duracell bunny and just keep going |
| 22:41.11 | thebolt | but it won't be evaluated for gsco ;) |
| 22:41.14 | dho | energizer ;) |
| 22:41.18 | ideamonk | oh nice ... then on july 12th when we submit mid-term evaluation, we submit work done till then, and proceed with rest of the work too. |
| 22:41.22 | ideamonk | cool |
| 22:41.25 | dho | Correct |
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| 22:41.53 | thebolt | (altohugh seems the bunny had some problem in the wulffmorgenthaler from a few days ago.. ;) |
| 22:42.36 | gchaix | GSoC project tracks Zombie Apocalypse: http://swift.ushahidi.com/zombie/ <- nice job! |
| 22:42.52 | gchaix | s/project/mentoring org/ |
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| 22:51.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | ideamonk: you should commit more often than that ;) |
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| 22:51.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | commit early, commit often |
| 22:52.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | we give the students a VCS repo at the start and assume they commit continuously |
| 22:52.55 | ideamonk | Wolf_OSGeo, have heard that a lot |
| 22:53.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: cheer up. You are the queen now! :D |
| 22:53.07 | bawr | Wolf_OSGeo: Is it a DVCS? |
| 22:53.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | distributed version control system, e.g. git and mercurial |
| 22:53.34 | ideamonk | git++ |
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| 22:54.03 | bawr | Ah, those two are cool. |
| 22:54.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | VCS is the traditional centralized version control system like svn and friends |
| 22:54.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | dvcs is one of the greatest tools a developer can have :D |
| 22:55.04 | crosvera | git FTW! |
| 22:55.20 | carols | aw, shucks. thanks Wolf_OSGeo. :-) but i am not the queen until i've earned it. |
| 22:55.24 | danderson | it can also be the very best way to paint the bikeshed instead of getting things done |
| 22:55.29 | danderson | (mercurial is better.) |
| 22:55.37 | thebolt | danderson: haha :P |
| 22:55.40 | bawr | Wolf_OSGeo: Heh, I've never believed that it makes much difference... until I started using git. Which is better. ;P |
| 22:55.50 | crosvera | hehe |
| 22:55.51 | scgtrp | danderson: amen |
| 22:55.54 | crosvera | flame war |
| 22:56.02 | bawr | More seriously though, I'm not a power user, anything works. |
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| 22:57.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: indeed, it is quite amazing how when you start using git you don't ever wanna go back to dvcs |
| 22:57.43 | Crofton | Wolf_OSGeo, +1 |
| 22:57.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | no comment on mercurial, haven't used it. I don't need since I have git |
| 22:57.51 | Crofton | !timeline |
| 22:57.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 22:58.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: Well you still are the boss around here ;) |
| 22:58.47 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, git _is_ dvcs. |
| 22:59.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | ah svn I meant |
| 22:59.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | see I have even a hard time typing it :P |
| 22:59.40 | carols | Wolf_OSGeo: yes, i am as in charge as someone can be in a FOSS community :-) |
| 22:59.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | all cheer carols! ;) |
| 23:00.05 | bawr | I'm lucky. |
| 23:00.06 | carols | aw, thanks :-) |
| 23:00.14 | bawr | I never 8tried* CVS/SVN. |
| 23:00.33 | micahcowan | bawr, lucky. Have you only ever used dvcs then? |
| 23:00.38 | bawr | Yup. |
| 23:00.55 | micahcowan | BTW, SVN ain't actually bad, just not as good as just about any dvcs. |
| 23:01.08 | micahcowan | And be very, very thankful you haven't had to use cvs or (shudder) perforce. |
| 23:01.18 | bawr | Well that, and the "let's copy the code folder just in case" hell. ;) |
| 23:01.25 | micahcowan | uses perforce at work |
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| 23:02.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | time to go catch some Zs |
| 23:02.20 | micahcowan | bawr, well... I tend to end up doing the equivalent of that anyway: "let's clone the code folder (and keep it synced) just in case" :) |
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| 23:03.27 | Crofton | as soon as you start working on groups, you need git :) |
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| 23:04.19 | Schoktra | Hurray for bots ;) |
| 23:04.26 | micahcowan | groups? |
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| 23:05.06 | ThomasWaldmann | or the clean brother of git, called mercurial :D |
| 23:05.43 | evanpro | ha ha |
| 23:05.46 | evanpro | also emacs > vi |
| 23:06.02 | micahcowan | "on groups", or "in groups"? |
| 23:06.04 | Schoktra | meh I'm a vi person myself. |
| 23:06.05 | ThomasWaldmann | hey, only one war at a time! :P |
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| 23:06.07 | evanpro | and ruby rules, python sucks |
| 23:06.15 | evanpro | B-) |
| 23:06.43 | Schoktra | evanpro, are you just here to troll? |
| 23:07.22 | micahcowan | Schoktra, he's just joining the pre-existing troll action (no one's being serious) |
| 23:07.26 | micahcowan | or more than half-serious, anyway :) |
| 23:07.32 | danderson | please, take the trolling to #flamewar if it becomes serious |
| 23:07.32 | crosvera | everyone knows that windows kickass |
| 23:07.33 | bawr | I hate both vi and emacs... I've learned vi first, though, so I kind of stick to it. |
| 23:07.33 | Schoktra | oh lol |
| 23:07.33 | crosvera | :P |
| 23:07.34 | crosvera | LOL |
| 23:07.42 | crosvera | just kidding |
| 23:07.43 | danderson | otherwise, all emacs users who realize the power of mercurial are welcome to stay here. |
| 23:07.47 | scgtrp | nano and python ftw :D |
| 23:07.54 | rbuels | students can edit their proposals inside melange up until the deadline, right? |
| 23:07.57 | scgtrp | also mercurial ftw |
| 23:08.01 | scgtrp | rbuels: yes |
| 23:08.01 | micahcowan | danderson, :D |
| 23:08.05 | rbuels | nods |
| 23:08.45 | crosvera | butterflies rocks! |
| 23:08.52 | crosvera | butterflies > emacs |
| 23:09.09 | crosvera | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 23:09.27 | ThomasWaldmann | time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
| 23:09.38 | scgtrp | crosvera: emacs actually *does* have a butterfly command, somewhere |
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| 23:09.55 | crosvera | anyway, I use vim |
| 23:10.11 | evanpro | Schoktra, I was just throwing some amusement at the git vs. mercurial discussion |
| 23:10.18 | Schoktra | I see. |
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| 23:11.01 | bawr | ThomasWaldmann: What's the name for constructs like that? |
| 23:11.03 | bawr | I always forget. |
| 23:11.06 | evanpro | perhaps I should "/me ducks and runs" next time to indicate good-humoured troll-imitation |
| 23:11.16 | scgtrp | bawr: parallel? garden path? |
| 23:11.28 | danderson | evanpro: yeah, right. I'm on to your game. I'll be watching. |
| 23:11.30 | danderson | :P |
| 23:11.32 | ThomasWaldmann | bawr: no idea. ambiguity? |
| 23:11.42 | bawr | I was thinking of Spoonerism, but that's not quite it... |
| 23:11.49 | bawr | Ah well, maybe I'll remember later. |
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| 23:12.15 | danderson | anyway, g'night. |
| 23:12.26 | ThomasWaldmann | gn danderson |
| 23:12.34 | fatos | any suggestions how to pass the GSOC fever ? |
| 23:12.46 | smtms | fatos, what kind of fever is that? |
| 23:13.19 | scgtrp | fatos: install random stuff from dreamspark and play with it :D |
| 23:13.29 | robbyoconnor | fatos: relax |
| 23:13.40 | ThomasWaldmann | it's when students heat up and can't sleep every 6 weeks :) |
| 23:13.41 | robbyoconnor | and make sure your it's are dotted and t's crossed |
| 23:13.45 | danderson | plenty of fluids, an analgesic, not too much light. |
| 23:13.56 | robbyoconnor | danderson: no no |
| 23:13.57 | danderson | if the situation persists more than a few days, seek professional medical care |
| 23:13.59 | robbyoconnor | light is necessaru! |
| 23:14.16 | robbyoconnor | if insanity insues, seek help from a mental health professional before resorting to a gun |
| 23:14.31 | summatusmentis | ensues* fwiw |
| 23:14.38 | summatusmentis | sorry, that was pedantic |
| 23:14.40 | summatusmentis | ignore me |
| 23:14.44 | danderson | robbyoconnor: clearly you've never had meningitis |
| 23:14.50 | evanpro | bawr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catachresis ? |
| 23:14.53 | robbyoconnor | can't say I have lol |
| 23:15.02 | evanpro | bawr, that's close |
| 23:15.06 | danderson | shudders at the memory |
| 23:15.15 | danderson | robbyoconnor: I don't recommend it. It's not all it's cracked up to be. |
| 23:15.16 | evanpro | I was poking around http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malapropism |
| 23:15.22 | danderson | and one of the symptoms is photophobia |
| 23:15.24 | robbyoconnor | danderson: i bet |
| 23:15.36 | robbyoconnor | i hear voices... |
| 23:15.45 | danderson | aka. the slightest light, even a tiny bit filtering through shutters, feels like getting stabbed in the eye |
| 23:15.46 | robbyoconnor | carols! |
| 23:15.47 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 23:15.52 | carols | robbyoconnor! |
| 23:15.54 | carols | :-) |
| 23:15.57 | danderson | not fun. |
| 23:16.04 | robbyoconnor | so has lh warned you about me yet :P |
| 23:16.05 | danderson | and on that jolly note, good night :) |
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| 23:16.11 | robbyoconnor | I'm famous (tm) |
| 23:16.15 | carols | good night danderson |
| 23:16.30 | carols | she has not, but im about to go have a beer with her, should i ask about you, robbyoconnor? |
| 23:16.30 | robbyoconnor | nini danderson |
| 23:16.37 | robbyoconnor | lol nah |
| 23:16.46 | robbyoconnor | well up to you :P |
| 23:16.48 | carols | now i just might :-) |
| 23:16.50 | micahcowan | danderson, makes me think of "The Others" :) |
| 23:16.52 | micahcowan | good night! |
| 23:16.54 | bawr | A-ha! |
| 23:16.56 | bawr | Paraprosdokian! |
| 23:17.00 | robbyoconnor | she has also met me in the flesh |
| 23:17.07 | bawr | No wonder I keep forgetting that. |
| 23:17.31 | carols | you coming to the mentor summit, robbyoconnor? |
| 23:17.38 | robbyoconnor | I can't lol \ |
| 23:17.45 | carols | aw, too bad |
| 23:17.46 | robbyoconnor | im a student (hopefully) |
| 23:17.55 | carols | ah, i see :-) |
| 23:17.57 | robbyoconnor | I *MAY* mentor one of these years |
| 23:18.13 | robbyoconnor | im sitting out from my original org and moving to a diff one :) |
| 23:18.18 | carols | robbyoconnor: you live in the states? |
| 23:18.21 | robbyoconnor | yes |
| 23:18.23 | robbyoconnor | NY |
| 23:18.24 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 23:18.29 | carols | ah, cool. :-) |
| 23:18.39 | robbyoconnor | 60 mis North of manhattan (1.5hrs) |
| 23:18.55 | carols | i was just there a week ago for the libreplanet conference |
| 23:19.02 | carols | well, in boston |
| 23:19.05 | carols | and then drove to new jersey |
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| 23:19.51 | carols | anyway, it would be nice to meet you at some point robbyoconnor if our paths cross. you ever come out to mountain view? |
| 23:21.32 | carols | ok, off to get a drink with lh |
| 23:21.44 | carols | i'll buy her one for all of you |
| 23:21.55 | carols | trundles off |
| 23:22.48 | ThomasWaldmann | imagines lh after 153 drinks |
| 23:23.10 | micahcowan | ThomasWaldmann, :D |
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| 23:26.12 | robbyoconnor | heh |
| 23:26.28 | robbyoconnor | should I initiate carols and go back to my old ways?! |
| 23:26.51 | summatusmentis | oh god |
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| 23:31.12 | bawr | Oh, good. I've beaten TinyMCE, and my proposal is up. Still an early beta without a timeline, but hey. :) |
| 23:32.25 | scgtrp | bawr: ^5 |
| 23:32.34 | scgtrp | beating tinymce deserves a ^5 ;) |
| 23:32.55 | bawr | ^5 |
| 23:33.26 | bawr | Also, since you've posted your proposal - admittedly more polished than mine - I'll go ahead and throw this here. :) |
| 23:33.31 | bawr | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/bawr/t127006308673 |
| 23:34.56 | meanburrito920 | who's idea was the bot? I like it :) |
| 23:35.02 | bawr | And now, for a better description and a timeline... I shall require coffee. |
| 23:35.06 | Catfish_Man | meanburrito920: durinbot or socinfo? |
| 23:35.52 | ThomasWaldmann | bawr: you know thesheep? |
| 23:36.13 | bawr | Not that I know of. |
| 23:36.13 | meanburrito920 | durinbot |
| 23:36.26 | bawr | Why? |
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| 23:36.39 | Catfish_Man | meanburrito920: I forget who came up with the idea (might even have been me, heh), but Augie Fackler implemented it :) |
| 23:36.45 | meanburrito920 | nice |
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| 23:37.11 | robbyoconnor | summatusmentis: now she's gonna be armed w/ info on me LOL |
| 23:37.43 | ThomasWaldmann | bawr: he's also a polish python geek (and iirc from poznan) |
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| 23:38.07 | bawr | Ooh. I'll remember that. Looks like I'd do good to meet thim. |
| 23:38.21 | robbyoconnor | needs to learn python for his soc project |
| 23:38.30 | robbyoconnor | thankfully I should be able to do it |
| 23:38.31 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 23:38.59 | ThomasWaldmann | you have a few weeks left :) |
| 23:39.02 | bawr | Heh. Could've been worse, you could have had to learn Perl quickly. ;) |
| 23:39.36 | ThomasWaldmann | or C++ :P |
| 23:39.37 | robbyoconnor | bawr: python is easy |
| 23:39.47 | robbyoconnor | ThomasWaldmann: now I know my limits! |
| 23:40.03 | bawr | Heh. |
| 23:40.13 | robbyoconnor | 4 spaces no tabs |
| 23:40.31 | ThomasWaldmann | and more from pep8 |
| 23:40.34 | bawr | No, tabs are- I see what you're doing here, Mr. |
| 23:40.37 | robbyoconnor | who's brilliant idea was the indentation specifying code blocks LOL |
| 23:40.52 | robbyoconnor | whose* |
| 23:41.13 | ThomasWaldmann | that was really brilliant |
| 23:42.01 | robbyoconnor | yeh it was |
| 23:42.14 | robbyoconnor | unless you come from a background like errr sayyy java |
| 23:42.19 | ThomasWaldmann | (if it's formatted like shit, it won't work. thus, working code is not formatted like shit. :) |
| 23:42.21 | robbyoconnor | {} |
| 23:42.23 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 23:42.28 | bawr | ThomasWaldmann: :D |
| 23:42.34 | robbyoconnor | ThomasWaldmann: i'm in agreement |
| 23:42.34 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 23:43.03 | Catfish_Man | and it can't be automatically formatted successfully because the data required for that is now in the formatting ;) |
| 23:43.03 | ankitg | robbyoconnor! |
| 23:43.06 | bawr | That said, it *is* possible to write ugly Python code. *shudders* |
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| 23:44.09 | ankitg | robbyoconnor: which org(s) you applying to this time? |
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| 23:47.31 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: heh yeh |
| 23:47.35 | robbyoconnor | ankitg: sahana-py |
| 23:48.07 | robbyoconnor | I was asked to let new students enter the OpenMRS community |
| 23:49.03 | ankitg | robbyoconnor: hah, now ou can terrorize ajuonline ... |
| 23:49.08 | ankitg | *you |
| 23:49.23 | robbyoconnor | yeh! |
| 23:49.24 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 23:49.26 | bawr | robbyoconnor: Did the people asking you have blunt objects? ;) |
| 23:49.33 | robbyoconnor | heh no LOL |
| 23:49.44 | robbyoconnor | bawr: it's a guy I have nothing but the utmost respect for |
| 23:49.58 | bawr | Roger. |
| 23:50.10 | robbyoconnor | bawr: a pediatrician by day, geek by night |
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| 23:50.41 | robbyoconnor | bawr: my thoughts exactly! |
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| 23:55.52 | ThomasWaldmann | robbyoconnor: read zen of python? |
| 23:55.54 | ankitg | bawr: ... they probably had sharp objects ... |
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| 23:57.42 | vikash | wat should i do when i have sorted the ideas |
| 23:58.26 | ThomasWaldmann | serialize them |
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| 23:58.57 | vikash | and after serialising |
| 23:59.36 | ThomasWaldmann | check them for yourself, then with org |
