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| 00:23.01 | geoaxis | any project mentors here |
| 00:23.14 | infinity0 | yeah, sup |
| 00:23.25 | scorche | 299 users here...i am sure at least a couple are ;) |
| 00:23.45 | geoaxis | well i meant alive, i am looking at random projects |
| 00:24.14 | scorche | it would probably be better to look at projects that might interest you rather than random ones ;) |
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| 00:24.46 | sreich | what if only random ones interest him? ;-) |
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| 00:24.51 | geoaxis | scorche, and you are assuming that the random one might not interest me |
| 00:25.09 | scorche | sreich: then i wonder which RNG he is using... |
| 00:25.30 | scorche | geoaxis: i said probably be better...not "that wont work" ;) |
| 00:26.44 | geoaxis | infinity0, which project are you from |
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| 00:27.46 | infinity0 | freenet |
| 00:28.00 | infinity0 | but i thought you meant you wanted to ask a generic mentor question |
| 00:28.16 | infinity0 | but meh, go ahead |
| 00:29.05 | fweisbec | looks at what is actually freenet |
| 00:29.10 | fweisbec | is surprised |
| 00:29.53 | fweisbec | ah I see |
| 00:30.01 | geoaxis | infinity0, no mentor questions, just looking for orgs, and i already find some interesting ideas |
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| 00:30.46 | fweisbec | geoaxis: don't you have one particular in focus? |
| 00:30.50 | geoaxis | my criteria for search was not that good i guess, i was looking for langauge and tool specific tags, where as freenet has none *tags associated to tools and langauges* |
| 00:31.19 | infinity0 | java |
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| 00:31.27 | infinity0 | what do you mean by tools? |
| 00:31.32 | fweisbec | geoaxis: gcc? |
| 00:31.46 | infinity0 | we're open for proposals to restructure our build system if that floats your boat |
| 00:31.47 | geoaxis | fweisbec, i want to venture to new things, dont want to do stuff similar to to what i have done in past or am doing for my thesis |
| 00:31.47 | fweisbec | geoaxis: or python...? |
| 00:32.12 | fweisbec | geoaxis: ok, but that doesn't give us more clue to help you :) |
| 00:32.34 | geoaxis | no it should not, but you can pitch your org at random and i might take a look |
| 00:33.15 | geoaxis | well i work with java mostly, have been doing Haskeel in school lately, but any thing should do, i dont want to chain my self |
| 00:33.28 | fweisbec | ok |
| 00:34.27 | geoaxis | i said goodbye to C/C++ some time ago |
| 00:34.42 | geoaxis | way back ago actually |
| 00:34.50 | fweisbec | I think I would have loved to work for python, if I hadn't something else in mind already |
| 00:35.09 | fweisbec | we never really say good bye to C/C++ ;-) |
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| 00:50.01 | pygi | ChipX86, ChipX86 :) |
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| 01:15.07 | ChipX86 | pygi: hey |
| 01:16.40 | pygi | ChipX86, ah hey! |
| 01:16.49 | pygi | you're lucky to catch me, its 2:16AM :D |
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| 01:17.08 | ChipX86 | wow, early |
| 01:17.16 | pygi | :D |
| 01:17.39 | pygi | ChipX86, have time to talk? |
| 01:17.44 | ChipX86 | sure |
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| 01:24.14 | vptr | gigasoft1: /ctcp <nick> time |
| 01:24.16 | vptr | :D |
| 01:25.32 | ojwb | not terribly reliable |
| 01:26.29 | ojwb | i suspect a significant number of people connected all day will have a screen session on a server in a different timezone to them |
| 01:26.44 | gigasoft1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:36.31 | MattJ | I'm writing an email to the Lua mailing list with a list of Lua-related GSoC projects, interesting enough to CC to the GSoC list? or too OT? |
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| 01:36.52 | robbyoconnor | DONT PROBE ME |
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| 02:01.50 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 02:29.11 | [mharrison] | emacs and vim seriously fail as end-user software |
| 02:29.58 | pygi | [mharrison], vim and emacs are not meant for average joe |
| 02:30.02 | pygi | so why would they fail? |
| 02:30.05 | ojwb | ho ho |
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| 02:30.19 | [mharrison] | pygi, end-user doesn't have to be average joe |
| 02:30.30 | pygi | well, a lot of people certainly use it |
| 02:31.23 | pygi | but I'm sleeping |
| 02:31.26 | pygi | so good night |
| 02:31.27 | pygi | :P |
| 02:32.32 | [mharrison] | Any time you're dropped into either emacs or vim on an existing file (or new filename specified), they give you *no* information about the operation of the program, or what you're supposed to do next |
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| 02:33.28 | [mharrison] | You at least get a splash screen with basic usage info when you launch the app with no args, but if you launch it with a filename given (or if something like svn/git launches it for you), there's 0 usage info given |
| 02:34.54 | cbeck | It would drive me nuts if they did |
| 02:35.24 | [mharrison] | ...why? |
| 02:35.55 | [mharrison] | Software should document itself to some degree |
| 02:36.37 | robbyoconnor | growls |
| 02:37.25 | cbeck | For the same reason "Tips of the day" do |
| 02:37.49 | cbeck | Can't figure it out? C-z man emacs |
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| 02:38.51 | robbyoconnor | ~orgsbylang |
| 02:38.58 | robbyoconnor | !orgsbylan |
| 02:38.58 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbylan" is not a valid command. |
| 02:39.03 | robbyoconnor | !orgbylang |
| 02:39.03 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 02:39.14 | [mharrison] | cbeck, how is the user supposed to know to do that on "emacs filename"? |
| 02:40.01 | ojwb | hmm, is there a tag search in melange now? |
| 02:40.13 | [mharrison] | Telling the user to RTFM is a perfectly valid way for software to document itself, but it doesn't even do that or even tell you how to get to the manual |
| 02:40.46 | cbeck | Should software document the OS it runs on? |
| 02:41.14 | cbeck | Because C-z for SIGINT and 'man' are hardly unique to emacs |
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| 02:42.54 | [mharrison] | cbeck, so your solution to software not documenting itself is for the software process to be terminated? |
| 02:43.27 | cbeck | Err, sorry, SIGSTOP |
| 02:43.36 | cbeck | No, suspended |
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| 02:44.02 | cbeck | In the same way that you might minimize and find the documentation in a gui environment |
| 02:44.29 | [mharrison] | I'd be just as upset that the GUI app doesn't offer me any usage within the program... |
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| 02:45.31 | Catfish_Man | [mharrison]: I'd be annoyed that the GUI app didn't offer enough affordances that I could figure out at least basic usage on my own... |
| 02:46.08 | [mharrison] | Catfish_Man, that's what I mean |
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| 02:50.26 | [mharrison] | This dude talks about it too in "down-side" http://www.surfaceeffect.com/thoughts/emacs |
| 02:50.45 | [mharrison] | "Pedagogic Command Vectors. Simply put, a pedagogic vector is a part of the interface which helps teach new users what functionality is available and introduces them gently to some of the other command vectors. " |
| 02:51.28 | Catfish_Man | finds that while it's much harder to do, if you can make a design that is both intuitive *and* powerful, you don't need specific teaching things like that |
| 02:52.15 | [mharrison] | Catfish_Man, yup. That's self-documenting software. But emacs does neither |
| 02:52.30 | [mharrison] | Depending on how it's launched, that is |
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| 02:54.26 | [mharrison] | Yeah, the author of that post summed up my feelings on emacs perfectly |
| 02:55.04 | ojwb | remembers when emacs stood for "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping" |
| 02:55.14 | ojwb | software using 8MB these days is "small" |
| 02:56.15 | [mharrison] | Yeah |
| 02:56.21 | [mharrison] | He talks about how it's stuck in the 80s, and it is |
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| 02:57.23 | [mharrison] | hmm, I want to read http://www.surfaceeffect.com/thoughts/books/2 this summer |
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| 02:57.47 | Landon | yeah right, you'll buy it and never crack it open :P |
| 02:58.44 | [mharrison] | Landon, I'll buy it and read the first 25 pages, THEN never crack it open again, thankyouverymuch |
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| 07:18.29 | dholbach | good morning |
| 07:18.35 | Botanic | does lh ever login >.> |
| 07:20.10 | Botanic | i say this lh person were supposted to talk to is just a ploy! |
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| 07:27.26 | ihalip | morning |
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| 07:49.43 | ojwb | Botanic: i believe she's been at a conference recently |
| 07:49.55 | Botanic | lies and slander! :P |
| 07:49.59 | ojwb | if you are after feedback on an org application, see /topic |
| 07:50.28 | Botanic | whats UTC in PST? |
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| 07:51.10 | Botanic | ug 8am |
| 07:51.35 | |Kev| | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=timezone+convertor |
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| 07:51.56 | Botanic | yup i got it |
| 07:51.58 | Botanic | its 8am |
| 07:52.00 | Botanic | >.> |
| 07:52.13 | thiago_home | Botanic: it's 0752 UTC now |
| 07:52.22 | Botanic | ... |
| 07:52.23 | thiago_home | run "date -u" on your system to know the current universal time |
| 07:52.30 | Botanic | windowz :P |
| 07:52.38 | ojwb | upgrade first then... |
| 07:52.42 | thiago_home | or to get the actual time for the meeting: date -d '16:00 UTC' |
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| 07:53.18 | Botanic | thiago_home: doesnt work on windows :p |
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| 07:54.09 | Botanic | newhoo 9am |
| 07:54.12 | thiago_home | even if you install the date command from GNU coreutils? |
| 07:54.13 | Botanic | didnt account for DST |
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| 07:54.25 | Botanic | windows has a date command |
| 07:54.30 | Botanic | so there's overwrites it |
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| 07:54.34 | thiago_home | it's not the Unix date command |
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| 08:09.14 | Anot | +topic |
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| 10:08.12 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 10:08.47 | Ivanovic | hmm, "can" should be changed to "should" |
| 10:10.03 | |Kev| | MUST! |
| 10:10.13 | ojwb | if only there was a way to change it... |
| 10:11.19 | ojwb | !learn next as March 29th -- student applications officially open, but you should start to talk to participating organizations right now! |
| 10:11.19 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 10:11.22 | ojwb | !forget next 1 |
| 10:11.22 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 10:11.57 | Ivanovic | thanks ojwb |
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| 11:01.28 | S2N | how does this work |
| 11:01.31 | S2N | ? |
| 11:03.30 | |Kev| | I think we might need to work on the ambiguity a bit, there. |
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| 11:05.13 | S2N | there u go |
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| 11:05.34 | S2N | t |
| 11:06.32 | kai | like |Kev| was trying to say... how does _what_ work? |
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| 11:08.39 | thebolt | life, universe, everything? :) |
| 11:08.47 | straydawg | 41 |
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| 11:10.11 | kai | straydawg: off by one |
| 11:10.33 | straydawg | 40? ;) |
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| 11:10.58 | S2N | how am i going to talk to the mentoring ppl here |
| 11:10.59 | straydawg | or.. base 10.25 |
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| 11:11.28 | tml_ | S2N: unless the mentors of your organisation have specifically said they will be monitoring this chanel, probably not? |
| 11:11.31 | S2N | how am i going to talk to the mentoring ppl here |
| 11:12.00 | |Kev| | S2N: the best way to talk to potential mentors is to go to the page for that mentoring org, and find the contact details. |
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| 11:13.07 | S2N | how am i going to talk to the mentoring ppl here |
| 11:13.21 | tml_ | by repeating yourself constantly until they reply? |
| 11:13.33 | S2N | whre r d mentors? |
| 11:13.48 | schumaml | "where are the" |
| 11:13.55 | schumaml | please write English |
| 11:14.03 | |Kev| | < |Kev|> S2N: the best way to talk to potential mentors is to go to the page for that mentoring org, and find the contact details. |
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| 11:15.01 | S2N | how am i going to talk to mentoring ppl here |
| 11:15.34 | |Kev| | I've been a mentor, but it might not be for the org. you're interested in. |
| 11:15.57 | sohum | so, question. How likely is google to waive the 18yrs requirement by two weeks? |
| 11:16.07 | kai | sohum: not at all |
| 11:16.10 | thebolt | sohum: won't happen |
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| 11:16.30 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 11:16.33 | thebolt | how's it going? |
| 11:16.38 | kai | sohum: I don't speak for google, but this is a legal limit imposed on them |
| 11:16.49 | kai | thebolt: hey thebolt, doing fine |
| 11:17.36 | kai | thebolt: converted my shell/perl project from hg to git, set up my IDE (gvim), now I'm looking for a good issue tracker for this |
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| 11:18.15 | |Kev| | redmine seems to be fairly competent, from what I've used of it. |
| 11:18.17 | sohum | kai: right. still, two weeks... I mean, I'll be 18 during the actual summer. |
| 11:18.21 | |Kev| | (assuming OSS is a requirement of course) |
| 11:18.32 | sohum | sighs. Legal limit or not, I'm tired of feeling like a second-class citizen. |
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| 11:19.29 | kai | sohum: nothing we can fix, blame your parents |
| 11:19.39 | sohum | kai: :P |
| 11:19.59 | |Kev| | Tell you what, I'll invent a time machine to make you two weeks older. |
| 11:20.02 | |Kev| | Come back in a fortnight. |
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| 11:20.34 | drt24 | sohum: it is a right pain when that happens. :-( |
| 11:21.06 | |Kev| | There's always next year, as long as Google keep running the scheme. |
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| 11:22.18 | sohum | |Kev|: yea, but next year is going to be really busy. (thesis! really hard subjects! other stuff!). ah well. |
| 11:23.40 | |Kev| | I managed to make time for gsoc (as a student) while finishing off my PhD, I'm sure you'll manage :) |
| 11:23.48 | tml_ | sohum: that is hardly a unique situation for you |
| 11:24.21 | sohum | |Kev|: I suppose. thanks! |
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| 11:24.52 | |Kev| | Spend the summer getting (more?) involved in OSS projects anyway. |
| 11:25.03 | |Kev| | It's all good :) |
| 11:25.25 | sohum | tml_: hm. I wonder if we can use the numbers for a protest or something. then again, the laws that would need to change are complex and well-established... |
| 11:26.06 | schumaml | sometimes I think that 18 years is much too low :) |
| 11:26.50 | MattJ | schumaml: sometimes I think that 30 is way too low :) |
| 11:27.08 | sohum | schumaml: I'm against age-ism in general. For some people, it's too low, for others, it's too high. I recognise that capability-based laws are hard, but they might be workable. |
| 11:27.32 | kai | nope |
| 11:27.33 | schumaml | but probably not in democracies |
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| 11:27.55 | kai | not of all the people that actually _make_ the laws are well beyond 50 ;) |
| 11:28.08 | kai | s/of/if/ |
| 11:28.13 | sohum | heh |
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| 11:30.42 | tml_ | kai: well, they aren't |
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| 11:30.53 | ebo | reminds me of a budhist friend who told one of his relitives that he was to young to play first player shooter games ;-) |
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| 11:31.46 | slimb00_ | "collaborative working in eclipse" is idea being mentored? |
| 11:31.53 | ebo | I mean my friend (who was fifty) was to youg to play FPS games. |
| 11:32.11 | tml_ | ebo: it's called humour |
| 11:32.28 | tml_ | ebo: what he meant was probably just that he doesn't like such games. neither do I |
| 11:33.08 | tml_ | ebo: it isn't like it would/should be universally considered "fun" to kill other (fictional) people |
| 11:34.10 | Alexia_Death | finds chewing gum more fun than taking a persinal intrest in killing imaginary people. |
| 11:34.50 | Alexia_Death | unless its by batalion as in C&C |
| 11:35.13 | araujo | hello |
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| 11:35.44 | Alexia_Death | waves |
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| 12:03.21 | Dosideko | hello everyone |
| 12:03.39 | Dosideko | is the meeting still holding for 16:00? |
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| 12:06.49 | kai | what meeting? |
| 12:07.24 | ojwb | see /topic! |
| 12:07.47 | kai | ah |
| 12:07.48 | ojwb | given it is still in /topic, I would guess it is still on |
| 12:08.20 | kai | managed to miss that part when I logged in this morning |
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| 12:15.51 | ebo | tml_: while I consider it funny what my friend said his comment was mor than just a joke, but going into those conversations is seriously OT. The short version is that it takes a lot of maturity to know when to inflict violence. |
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| 12:25.05 | kai | ebo: you _could_ argue that killing virtual people isn't real violence |
| 12:25.54 | kai | ;) |
| 12:26.28 | kai | anyway, these days I prefer to squash bugs, not people. and I don't mean this in a starship troopes sense |
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| 12:29.32 | schumaml | is there a static version of http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 somewhere? |
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| 12:30.39 | MattJ | I have a CSV file |
| 12:30.53 | MattJ | http://code.matthewwild.co.uk/gsoc-lua/file/0e2b5dc7ae34/gsoc10.csv |
| 12:31.07 | MattJ | Oh, click "Raw" at the top |
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| 12:31.32 | schumaml | nah, this page, just without the fancy list mechanics |
| 12:31.44 | MattJ | CSV is the future |
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| 12:31.57 | MattJ | Instant load-times |
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| 12:34.40 | schumaml | that's probably a question for #melange |
| 12:37.13 | kai | whoa |
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| 12:37.39 | drt24 | ? |
| 12:37.47 | kai | ojwb: good we were talking about the meeting, I just realized I have a theatre rehearsal tonight |
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| 12:40.06 | ojwb | kai: no need to get dramatic |
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| 12:41.55 | schumaml | kai: "Waiting for Kai"? |
| 12:42.20 | kai | schumaml: well, that's what it might have been |
| 12:42.38 | kai | schumaml: our director seems to be going for a different piece, though |
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| 12:44.47 | kai | I'm just reading the script :) |
| 12:45.04 | ojwb | bourne or c-shell? |
| 12:45.24 | kai | neither, plain english.. sort of |
| 12:45.58 | ojwb | hasn't been involved in drama since primary school |
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| 12:50.43 | ebo | kai: I'm not buddhist, and I am not involved with their debates. I agree with the bugs (and gentoo ebuilds) |
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| 12:53.22 | kai | ojwb: my experience is limited, it's been fun so far |
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| 13:13.28 | cipher | hi i am new to gsoc |
| 13:13.43 | cipher | i am interested in working for phpmyadmin |
| 13:14.19 | kai | !anyone |
| 13:14.19 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 13:14.55 | jimbozhang | !gsoc |
| 13:14.55 | socinfo | Error: "gsoc" is not a valid command. |
| 13:15.02 | jimbozhang | !help |
| 13:15.02 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 13:15.17 | jimbozhang | !botabuse |
| 13:15.17 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 13:15.38 | jimbozhang | !wiki |
| 13:15.38 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
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| 13:32.13 | S2N | !help |
| 13:32.13 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 13:39.25 | shams | hi |
| 13:40.01 | shams | is there any body who can answer some eligibility related questions? |
| 13:40.10 | kai | !eligible |
| 13:40.10 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 13:40.13 | kai | :) |
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| 13:40.30 | kai | if you have a specific question not covered by that, please ask that |
| 13:41.27 | shams | I need to know if I have to produce tax related papers form the country I stay currently of I can provide from my country of origin (national)? |
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| 13:42.17 | shams | for example: if I stay in germany then can I show the tax paper from india? |
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| 13:43.37 | shams | kai: did you get my point? |
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| 13:44.24 | kai | shams: er, I don't think you need to provide google with tax papers |
| 13:44.44 | shams | what do I need to give then? |
| 13:45.37 | shams | can I work if my country of stay does not ask any question related to the payment? |
| 13:45.49 | |Kev| | You need to work out your own tax, Google don't do that. |
| 13:46.23 | |Kev| | (As if you were self-employed, consulting for Google) |
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| 13:48.08 | shams | ok, so meaning that google does need any tax related information but just the proof that I'm a student, isn't it? |
| 13:48.21 | schumaml | from the FAQ: "Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file" |
| 13:48.43 | kai | schumaml: hm, I think that's there from the 2005 faq :) |
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| 13:49.34 | kai | ah, hang on |
| 13:49.40 | shams | my mistake! should be "ok, so meaning that google does not need any tax related information but just the proof that I'm a student, isn't it?" |
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| 13:49.48 | kai | you need a W9 tax form when you're based in the US |
| 13:49.57 | kai | or a form stating that you're not based in the US |
| 13:50.10 | kai | google has those, you just need to sign them |
| 13:50.23 | kai | see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_docs |
| 13:50.38 | kai | shams: ^^^ |
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| 13:54.24 | shams | seems ok now |
| 13:54.27 | shams | :) |
| 13:54.58 | kai | shams: in general, no need to worry about this until you're accepted |
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| 13:55.43 | shams | yeap, right |
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| 15:31.14 | spectie | carols, good idea :) |
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| 15:31.31 | carols | its a bit early for me still :-) maybe not for everyone here though |
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| 15:54.19 | carols | all hail lh |
| 15:54.26 | lh | carols: you're awesome |
| 15:54.32 | lh | goes to refill her coffee before we get started |
| 15:54.37 | lh | i <3 the open source couch |
| 15:54.37 | lh | brb |
| 15:54.41 | carols | thanks lh. :-) not quite awake just yet, but getting there |
| 15:54.46 | carols | !couch |
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| 15:54.48 | carols | darn |
| 15:54.49 | mmadia | morning carols, lh. |
| 15:54.51 | carols | we should fix that |
| 15:54.55 | carols | morning mmadia |
| 15:55.00 | |Kev| | It's 4pm in the only timezone that matters ;) |
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| 15:55.36 | spectie | ok back |
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| 15:56.27 | thebolt | hi lh , carols et al |
| 15:56.41 | carols | hey thebolt |
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| 15:56.53 | lh | thebolt: good morning |
| 15:57.01 | lh | mmadia: good morning |
| 15:57.05 | carols | lh: ruaok waves to you from afar :-) |
| 15:57.06 | spectie | lh o/ |
| 15:57.07 | lh | and er happy time zone and all that to all |
| 15:57.12 | lh | woot! all hail ruaok |
| 15:57.22 | lh | spectie: hello my friend, so nice to see you in boston! |
| 15:57.25 | spectie | yep :) |
| 15:57.38 | spectie | also random! |
| 15:57.41 | lh | truly. |
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| 15:57.47 | lh | so we have 3 minutes before we get started |
| 15:58.04 | sonne | ls: Would be great if you could tell us why our proposal (organization Max Planck/ Technical University Berlin) got rejected... and how we could improve for next year ... |
| 15:58.08 | lh | a couple of notes, i only have 37 messages in my inbox. as awesome as this sounds i realize this means i may have archived some email accidentially |
| 15:58.22 | absabs | Glad to see so many students |
| 15:58.23 | lh | sonne: we'll start queuing up for feedback in two minutes |
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| 15:58.29 | aoszkar | hi, is this the place to ask questions about GSoC? |
| 15:58.36 | lh | so if you sent email and have not heard back, please send it again |
| 15:58.44 | |Kev| | aoszkar: yes, but with a meeting in 2 mins it may be good to just listen for a bit. |
| 15:58.48 | lh | aoszkar: yes, but we are about to start a meeting. how can we help? |
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| 15:58.55 | absabs | although I'm no student anymore |
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| 15:59.05 | aoszkar | Kev: thanks |
| 15:59.36 | aoszkar | lh: I just have one question, but I'll leave it until after the meeting, so I wouldn't mess it up |
| 15:59.37 | lh | pulls up the organization review spreadsheet |
| 15:59.47 | carols | follows along with the spreadsheet as well |
| 15:59.57 | lh | aoszkar: thanks, that's very kind of you. someone may be able to help you in the interim, not sure how long this will take |
| 16:00.05 | lh | all right, let's get this meeting started |
| 16:00.15 | lh | --- begin org application review meeting --- |
| 16:00.26 | lh | To begin, some ground rules. |
| 16:00.34 | lh | We will go in first come, first served order for feedback. |
| 16:01.06 | lh | Last year, someone (IIRC it was MatthewWilkes) helped folks waiting for feedback queue up in another channel. If someone wants to do that now, that'd be awesome. |
| 16:01.16 | lh | If not, I read scrollback. Fast. :) |
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| 16:01.33 | Chainsaw | #gsoc-queue please folks. |
| 16:01.36 | lh | In order to make sure that we can give you feedback quickly and effectively, please state your organization name and provide a link to your ideas list. |
| 16:01.41 | lh | Chainsaw: thank you very much |
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| 16:02.04 | lh | If you would prefer feedback via private message, we can do that, but if you want it privately I suggest email. |
| 16:02.04 | sumit | hello!!! I am new to gsoc.... |
| 16:02.15 | lh | carols at google dot com and lh at google dot com |
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| 16:02.22 | carols | sumit: thanks for joining, we're in a meeting right now if you want to listen in |
| 16:02.23 | lh | sumit: we are having a meeting, please hold off for now |
| 16:02.31 | lh | what carols said |
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| 16:02.34 | carols | :-) |
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| 16:02.38 | lh | OK. Any questions before we get started? |
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| 16:03.29 | lh | Remember folks, we know that this can be a difficult matter for you and your projects. We are providing feedback to help you improve. Please don't take decisions personally. Let's keep it positive and feel the love! |
| 16:03.32 | lh | Okay, first up. |
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| 16:03.44 | lh | Feedback for ... ? |
| 16:04.03 | sonne | organization Max Planck/ Technical University Berlin http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/gsoc-ideas.html |
| 16:04.09 | lh | sonne: ok working on it |
| 16:04.11 | lh | please hold on |
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| 16:06.13 | lh | sonne: So your application looked good. Your ideas list could use some improvement. Each idea could be classified as easy, medium, difficult. Links to further documentation or source code for each idea would have been helpful also. We *really* liked that you listed all of your mentors on the ideas list, that was well received. |
| 16:06.18 | sfb | lh: Hello. |
| 16:06.25 | lh | sfb: meeting my friend, hang on a bit |
| 16:06.26 | lh | :) |
| 16:06.34 | sfb | np |
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| 16:06.58 | devendra | ok |
| 16:06.59 | carols | sonne: i believe more lengthy descriptions of some of the ideas would have also been helpful. |
| 16:07.03 | lh | sonne: it would also have been good to say a bit more about each idea. the three sentence paragraphs are a bit spartan especially for some very difficult ideas |
| 16:07.07 | lh | yes, what carols said |
| 16:07.10 | lh | sips coffee |
| 16:07.27 | lh | carols: i don't have any more to add, do you have additional feedback? |
| 16:07.39 | sonne | lh, ok anything besides ideas? |
| 16:07.50 | carols | lh: that's good. i think length and inclusion of difficulty for the students to understand what they can get into would be great |
| 16:08.10 | lh | sonne: no, other than that it looked good. we appreciate you applying. |
| 16:08.14 | sonne | lh, say if we had superb ideas what else to improve? |
| 16:08.18 | sonne | ok |
| 16:08.24 | sonne | so then next year more... |
| 16:08.29 | sonne | lh, thanks for the feedback |
| 16:08.33 | sonne | carols, thanks |
| 16:08.41 | lh | sonne: yes please and thank *you* for asking for feedback. |
| 16:08.46 | carols | thanks for asking, sonne. |
| 16:08.49 | carols | what lh said :-) |
| 16:08.50 | lh | next organization please |
| 16:08.52 | devendra | I have started searching project yesterday. I am thinking about this http://www.openafs.org/gsoc.html |
| 16:08.56 | lh | channels carols |
| 16:09.11 | lh | devendra: meeting right now, try openafs' irc channel for questions |
| 16:09.15 | lh | next organization please |
| 16:09.21 | devendra | I read complete faqs and searching the projects now. |
| 16:09.28 | LukeDuncan | CapacityPlus http://open.intrahealth.org/mediawiki/IHRIS_Ideas_List |
| 16:09.42 | devendra | lh, ok |
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| 16:09.53 | sfb | How do I get in queue? |
| 16:09.56 | lh | LukeDuncan: okay, got it. please hang on. |
| 16:10.04 | lh | sfb: please join #gsoc-queue |
| 16:10.35 | sfb | Thanks! |
| 16:11.38 | lh | LukeDuncan: our feedback on your ideas list is much the same we gave to sonne |
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| 16:11.44 | lh | LukeDuncan: each idea could use more fleshing out, it would have been nice to see mentors listed |
| 16:11.57 | carols | lukeduncan: difficulty for each idea as well |
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| 16:12.34 | LukeDuncan | Ok, that was what I guessed after seeing the previous feedback. Was there anything else? |
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| 16:13.07 | lh | LukeDuncan: no, though i do have a suggestion. there are a few other health/bio projects participating. perhaps you could mentor a student under their umbrella. having previous gsoc experience really helps |
| 16:13.17 | lh | in building an ideas list and when we review your application |
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| 16:13.40 | lh | LukeDuncan: I assume you know the players but if not email me and I would be happy to make introductions |
| 16:13.45 | lh | and |
| 16:13.49 | lh | takes off program admin hat |
| 16:13.58 | lh | LukeDuncan: I really love what you folks are doing. Keep up the good work. |
| 16:14.03 | lh | puts back on program admin hat |
| 16:14.12 | carols | what lh said :-) |
| 16:14.17 | lh | carols: I don't have any feedback to add, do you? |
| 16:14.25 | carols | totally agreed. |
| 16:14.33 | carols | on all points. |
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| 16:14.50 | LukeDuncan | ok, thanks so much! We'll add more details for next year. |
| 16:14.51 | _Samo | in your experience what's the best UMT time for meetings between people from different parts of the world |
| 16:14.53 | Chainsaw | tvo: Please approach the podium. |
| 16:14.57 | tvo | Spring RTS engine, http://springrts.com/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010 |
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| 16:15.04 | lh | LukeDuncan: Excellent, thank you. We appreciate you applying and coming to the meeting. |
| 16:15.16 | lh | tvo: thank you. one moment please |
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| 16:16.06 | _Samo | *IRC meetings between students and mentors |
| 16:16.23 | lh | _Samo: i do know we are having a meeting right now, so please ask later. :) |
| 16:16.41 | lh | tvo: Ok, so your ideas list was well written, we liked the additional details. It would be nice to see mentors listed. |
| 16:17.20 | SoftVision | Hi is it ok if I ask a few questions here? I'm a little unsure as to whether to apply for SoC this year. |
| 16:17.24 | lh | tvo: I would simply recommend you apply next year. We had a *ton* of RTS and game engine applicants and it was hard for us to choose among them. |
| 16:17.30 | Chainsaw | SoftVision: We have a meeting in progress, please wait a moment. |
| 16:17.31 | tvo | ok, thanks, we'll try to assign mentors to ideas somewhat earlier then next time :) |
| 16:17.40 | carols | softvision: thanks for coming, we're having a meeting right now |
| 16:17.42 | lh | tvo: Thank you, that would be most helpful. |
| 16:17.54 | lh | tvo: Other than that, looked good. We appreciate you applying. |
| 16:18.10 | tvo | lh: great, thanks for the feedback |
| 16:18.12 | lh | carols: did you have anything to add/ |
| 16:18.17 | tierra | _Samo: I'd recommend putting together a few different times, and let everyone vote on a best time... sometimes you won't be able to get everyone there, but hopefully they can catch up on it another time |
| 16:18.17 | tvo | jK``, anything to add? |
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| 16:18.19 | carols | i agree with lh, tvo. we needed to make some tough calls on cutting orgs and unfortunately yours was one of them. |
| 16:18.30 | jK`` | nope, happy with that :) |
| 16:18.34 | lh | tvo: you are most welcome. |
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| 16:18.41 | Chainsaw | dennda: Please approach the podium. |
| 16:18.43 | dennda | Hello lh and carols. I'm here on behalf of PyMT. Ideas list is at http://pymt.txzone.net/index.php?page=gsoc2010 |
| 16:18.44 | lh | jK``: you too. thanks to *both* of you for coming. |
| 16:18.45 | lh | :) |
| 16:18.46 | dennda | Thanks Chainsaw |
| 16:19.18 | carols | checking into it, dennda. :-) |
| 16:19.24 | lh | dennda: working on it please hang on |
| 16:19.30 | dennda | Sure |
| 16:20.54 | lh | dennda: you've seen the general feedback on ideas lists, correct? the easy medium hard categorization, adding mentors to each idea, right? |
| 16:21.09 | dennda | Indeed, I noted that already for 2011. |
| 16:21.10 | lh | dennda: equally applicable here |
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| 16:21.40 | dennda | lh: Ok, I figured. Anything else? |
| 16:21.44 | lh | dennda: great thanks. our other note is that you folks are a great candidate to work under the umbrella of the Python Software Foundation. They get a lot of student project slots each year. I would be happy to make introductions if you do not know the right folks. |
| 16:22.18 | dennda | lh: No need to, I know whom to talk to I think. Thanks though. |
| 16:22.24 | lh | dennda: I do have on more piece of feedback, but I will PM it to you please. |
| 16:22.37 | dennda | lh: Sure, go ahead |
| 16:23.14 | Chainsaw | sfb: Please approach the podium. |
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| 16:23.26 | sfb | Hullo. |
| 16:23.33 | carols | hullo sfb, thanks for coming |
| 16:23.41 | sfb | I'm with NeL, http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoc2010Ideas |
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| 16:23.52 | lh | my phone is ringing one sec |
| 16:23.54 | lh | ok nm they can wait |
| 16:24.02 | sfb | I'm patient. I can wait too. |
| 16:24.06 | lh | dennda: Thanks for coming to the meeting, much appreciated. |
| 16:24.10 | lh | sfb: okay |
| 16:24.20 | carols | looking into it, sfb |
| 16:24.28 | dennda | Thanks lh and carols, we'll try again next year. :-) |
| 16:24.57 | carols | thank *you*, dennda :-) please stay involved in the community, we'd love to see an app next year |
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| 16:25.25 | lh | sfb: so you have seen the feedback about adding mentors to each idea, so no need to reiterate that. |
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| 16:25.47 | sfb | Okay. That's an easy enough correction for next year. |
| 16:25.51 | lh | sfb: perhaps the rest would be better privately. |
| 16:25.57 | sfb | Sure. |
| 16:25.59 | lh | ok |
| 16:26.01 | sfb | Thank you. (= |
| 16:26.34 | Chainsaw | randa_: Please step up to the podium. |
| 16:26.42 | randa_ | hi all, Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas |
| 16:26.58 | lh | randa_: ubuntu was accepted unless i am utterly out of my gourd |
| 16:27.30 | lh | randa_: which is entirely plausible. i have only had one coffee today. |
| 16:27.33 | lh | ok well two. |
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| 16:28.17 | randa_ | lh: hehe yes... would you be able to give us feedback on how is everything going for us or should we leave this for PM |
| 16:28.51 | sonne | according to http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 ubuntu was accepted... |
| 16:28.53 | lh | randa_: we should leave this for not during this meeting. i am *stoked* to see ubuntu showing so strong this year. |
| 16:29.06 | randa_ | thanks lh |
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| 16:29.52 | lh | Chainsaw has graciously noted that there are no more orgs waiting for feedback which I cannot believe is the case |
| 16:29.57 | carols | me too |
| 16:30.00 | carols | is surprised |
| 16:30.00 | lh | and Chainsaw again thanks for your help |
| 16:30.27 | sonne | carols, well it is a while since the notification... |
| 16:30.50 | Chainsaw | Any organisation queueing up for feedback, please join #gsoc-queue |
| 16:30.51 | carols | fair point, sonne. fair point. |
| 16:31.22 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: patrick, did karsten pass along the feedback i emailed to him? |
| 16:32.06 | Ivanovic | (not feedback related): hi lh, would it maybe make sense to mail the mentor ml about the "tag" line? |
| 16:32.25 | Ivanovic | currently looking at the list of orgs i see several (even smaller, less known orgs) that are not using tags |
| 16:32.32 | redhat_pwbarnes | lh: I have not had a chance to check with him. If you have already given him feedback, then I will get it from him. |
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| 16:33.01 | mlankhorst | heu |
| 16:33.05 | lh | Ivanovic: "tag" line? i don't understand |
| 16:33.05 | lh | ok my friends, since no one is enqueued at the moment, i am going to call 5 minute break |
| 16:33.05 | lh | Ivanovic: ah, they are also not creating org home pages, that is the bigger issue. mentors ml emailed |
| 16:33.06 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: ok or i would be happy to give it to you here or in PM |
| 16:33.15 | lh | ah i see we have another org queued |
| 16:33.18 | lh | i am also out of coffee |
| 16:33.21 | mlankhorst | :O |
| 16:33.21 | Ivanovic | i could imagine that several orgs are not aware of this new feature which might help students to get a good idea about possible requirements and project directions when looking at the org overview |
| 16:33.21 | lh | that is horrible |
| 16:33.28 | lh | Ivanovic: we' |
| 16:33.30 | mlankhorst | lh :D |
| 16:33.36 | Ivanovic | lh: the "Tags" collumn at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 16:33.37 | redhat_pwbarnes | lh: Either would be great. |
| 16:33.39 | lh | Ivanovic mlankhorst we are having a meeting. |
| 16:33.42 | lh | so hang on. |
| 16:33.50 | Ivanovic | being quiet again, since a org is qued |
| 16:33.51 | lh | okay, i am going to grab a coffee. |
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| 16:34.05 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: you are up next, just let me get a beverage. |
| 16:34.13 | Chainsaw | If you are with an organisation and are looking for feedback, please join the queue in #gsoc-queue (this is assuming you were not accepted and want to know why) |
| 16:34.25 | ajuonline | is having coffee, lh you want some? :P |
| 16:34.47 | carols | just finished her coffee and is very happy about this fact. |
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| 16:35.14 | mlankhorst | misses the coffee at google |
| 16:35.40 | carols | needs to get to work to get some google coffee :-) |
| 16:36.30 | carols | hands out a plate of pastries to everyone |
| 16:36.39 | carols | does a little dance while lh is away |
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| 16:37.25 | kai | !logs |
| 16:37.25 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 16:37.36 | ajuonline | ha ha pastries!!! |
| 16:37.41 | Chainsaw | kai: Feedback meeting at the moment. We're breaking for coffee :) |
| 16:37.57 | lh | carols: there is no coffee here. please bring some from sf. |
| 16:38.08 | carols | will do, lh. blue bottle it is |
| 16:38.11 | mlankhorst | aw |
| 16:38.15 | charon | while there's a break: the git folks are trying to talk me into mentoring, and i have two questions that do not seem to be covered by the FAQ: 1) does it hurt that i have scheduled a total of 3.5 weeks of vacations throughout summer where i will be net.dead and 2) assuming not, am i supposed to nominate a deputy (trans?). PM welcome since i expect the meeting will resume soonish |
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| 16:38.54 | lh | charon: i cant speak for git but traditionally yes if you are going to be away then you designate someone to help while you are gone. ask them how they feel about this. |
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| 16:39.05 | mlankhorst | charon: You would need someone to cover you for those 3 weeks.. |
| 16:39.06 | lh | okay. back to meeting |
| 16:39.14 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: good sir, your feedback. |
| 16:39.39 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: i think something just fell through the cracks for you folks this year. the ideas page had only one idea for redhat and zero for jboss. i was really surprised. |
| 16:39.58 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: and i talked to mairin duffy at libreplanet and she said she had at least two ideas but i didn't see those. |
| 16:40.11 | sfb | kai: See wf IRC? |
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| 16:40.30 | quaid | so I didn't send along lh's email but I did say why in the meeting this week |
| 16:40.36 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: I know you were disappointed - I read your blog post - please don't take it personally. |
| 16:40.43 | lh | quaid: hi there, please see above. |
| 16:40.58 | quaid | so I read after the app period that a filled ideas page is a MUST have |
| 16:41.03 | redhat_pwbarnes | Initially, we had not realized that was going to be looked at, so we had not worked on getting our ideas listed yet. Not taking it personally... lesson learned. |
| 16:41.12 | quaid | we were intentionally wanting to pre-vet ideas _and_ sub-projects + mentors |
| 16:41.18 | lh | i respect everyone from redhat I've met and I have to give yet another shout out to mchua for all the great work she has done to genercize (is that a word) GSoC. |
| 16:41.22 | lh | quaid: makes sense. |
| 16:41.33 | quaid | in the past we found ideas page was too dumped in and didn't get organized enough, and we fell behind in our schedule on getting that to happen. |
| 16:41.35 | lh | sips iced tea, wishes it was coffee |
| 16:41.48 | carols | is packing coffee for lh right now |
| 16:41.49 | lh | quaid: understood. |
| 16:41.57 | lh | carols: i am writing you a sonnet in thanks. |
| 16:42.01 | charon | thanks lh and mlankhorst and goes back to lurking |
| 16:42.01 | quaid | so I made a strategic mistake to stick with our schedule, not realizing it caused us to have an incomplete app. |
| 16:42.26 | lh | quaid: that's cool. live and learn. |
| 16:42.29 | mlankhorst | there's always a next year :) |
| 16:42.35 | lh | what mlankhorst said |
| 16:42.36 | mlankhorst | unless google somehow goes bankrupt now.. |
| 16:42.42 | quaid | lh: I've been busy with the teaching opensource.org textbook and haven't updated you on what we are doing; |
| 16:42.46 | lh | !google |
| 16:42.46 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 16:42.51 | mlankhorst | :P |
| 16:42.52 | spectie | mlankhorst, haven't you heard.. |
| 16:42.53 | spectie | bah |
| 16:42.53 | carols | let's hope that doesn't happen, mlankhorst :-) |
| 16:42.55 | lh | quaid: i have been following the list |
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| 16:43.05 | lh | lurking lately, not posting. busy bee. :) |
| 16:43.11 | redhat_pwbarnes | I suspect we will apply again next year, and we'll know to get our ideas listed earlier. |
| 16:43.13 | quaid | but we're running with the Fedora Summer Coding, and are likely going to do the kind of stuff that SoC's scale and mission didn't quite cover, such as working directly with universities, etc. |
| 16:43.14 | Chainsaw | ankitmahato: Welcome, we have a meeting in progress. |
| 16:43.24 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: great |
| 16:43.28 | mlankhorst | lh: yeah last year was crazy, you replied to every single question out there, /me tips hat |
| 16:43.29 | lh | quaid: that is also *great* |
| 16:43.50 | redhat_pwbarnes | has to run. |
| 16:43.52 | lh | ok getting back to org review, will follow your adventures with fedora summer out of channel |
| 16:43.58 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: thanks for coming patrick |
| 16:44.07 | Chainsaw | antrik: Please step up to the podium. |
| 16:44.09 | ankitmahato | hi :) |
| 16:44.10 | redhat_pwbarnes | lh: Thanks for the feedback. |
| 16:44.11 | lh | antrik: welcome. |
| 16:44.14 | antrik | GNU Hurd, http://www.gnu.org/s/hurd/community/gsoc/project_ideas.html |
| 16:44.16 | lh | redhat_pwbarnes: you are most welcome |
| 16:44.16 | quaid | lh: as you prolly recall, I always understood that you meant this to be a model others could follow; not co-branding with folks helps because it creates pent up desire that I think we're going to try to tap some of :) |
| 16:44.25 | antrik | hi :-) |
| 16:44.30 | lh | quaid: yes. let's talk more later. |
| 16:44.34 | quaid | word |
| 16:44.36 | quaid | thanks for your time |
| 16:44.43 | lh | quaid: you're welcome. |
| 16:44.47 | carols | checks out GNU Hurd with lh |
| 16:44.51 | quaid | back to wiki2xml sprint |
| 16:44.59 | lh | antrik: so my friend, we are asking most GNU projects to work under the GNU project umbrella. |
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| 16:45.37 | lh | antrik: i already talked to mattl and libreplanet and he is going to make sure we have a good idea of how many subprojects for gnu want to mentor so that we get a decent number of student slots for the gnu project |
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| 16:46.18 | antrik | the problem is not really with the slots. the problem is that we get *way* less applications in the first place, hidden under the umbrella :-( |
| 16:46.26 | antrik | (like, less then a fifht) |
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| 16:46.37 | lh | antrik: interesting point. let me think about this for a moment. |
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| 16:46.46 | lh | chews on this point |
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| 16:47.17 | lh | antrik: okay, some suggestions - the FSF free SW supporter newsletter - could you work with them to do special editions on each gnu project for gsoc, such as hurd, gnucash, etc.? |
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| 16:47.40 | lh | antrik: i feel confident that if you write a blurb they will publish it for you. i can't speak for them but it is an idea. |
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| 16:47.52 | Ian_Corne | slimb00: your connection |
| 16:47.54 | Ian_Corne | it is broken |
| 16:47.55 | lh | thinsk some more |
| 16:47.55 | antrik | yeah, we can try that |
| 16:48.18 | lh | antrik: do try it and tell me how it goes, i am curious to see if this is useful advice for other folks in your same situation. |
| 16:48.19 | pygi | hands some cookies and cocoa to lh |
| 16:48.24 | lh | pygi: thank you sir. |
| 16:48.24 | antrik | of course this will only attract people already following FSF&co... |
| 16:48.53 | slimb00 | college lan irc blocked |
| 16:49.09 | ankitmahato | http://socghop.appspot.com/ is not opening :( |
| 16:49.16 | lh | antrik: right. other thoughts - the gnu project home page on the GSoC site - have it provide a blurb of *all* gnu projects participating so that each gets a description that students can read and choose from. that will be globally available and not just FSF oriented |
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| 16:49.22 | lh | ankitmahato: having a meeting, please hang on |
| 16:49.24 | slimb00 | :-( |
| 16:49.33 | drt24 | suspects that the problem is that students browse the list of organisations on the gsoc website and click on interesting looking ones. |
| 16:49.37 | lh | slimb00: meeting my friend |
| 16:49.42 | pygi | ankitmahato, works for me |
| 16:49.46 | pygi | its something on your end |
| 16:49.52 | lh | drt24: that is probable |
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| 16:49.58 | antrik | OK |
| 16:50.20 | antrik | BTW, does this mean that it's not even worth applying as a separate org in the future? |
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| 16:50.28 | lh | antrik: does gnu hurd have a blog? maybe do a post on what you are looking for in a gsoc student, what they will learn by working with you and link that from your longer description on the gsoc site home page for gnu project |
| 16:50.46 | ankitmahato | oh i c |
| 16:50.50 | lh | antrik: i can't make guarantees about that but i would say it is likely that we will continue to ask gnu projects to work with the gnu umbrella |
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| 16:51.19 | antrik | well, we have a news page. but not many potential candidates are looking there :-) |
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| 16:51.41 | lh | antrik: update the news page, link it from the gnu page on the gsoc site |
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| 16:52.08 | lh | think think think...... |
| 16:52.30 | lh | anyone here from the PSF? |
| 16:52.33 | carols | hands lh a pastry to help her think |
| 16:52.38 | lh | carols: danke! |
| 16:52.44 | lh | or osgeo? |
| 16:52.50 | lh | or apache? |
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| 16:53.21 | drt24 | use GWT treetables to show subprojects on the !orgs page? |
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| 16:54.07 | antrik | I think the main problem with the GNU umbrella is that when people read "GNU project", they are not thinking about all the individual projects that are part of GNU... |
| 16:54.10 | lh | drt24: that would be great if we used GWT for socghop.appspot.com - melange uses django. and we have like 5 part-time developers |
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| 16:54.47 | drt24 | oh ok, I thought the tables looked like GWT ones. |
| 16:54.52 | lh | antrik: agreed, that is a marketing matter. i would think it would help GNU in general to have a page on the suite of gnu applications. or does such a page already exist? |
| 16:55.02 | lh | antrik: i would talk to some of the folks from apache or the python software foundation or osgeo to see how they help their subprojects get visibility |
| 16:55.12 | antrik | I wonder whether there would be a way to prominently list all the projects under an umbrella on the organisation list?... |
| 16:55.29 | |Kev| | antrik: well, there's the organisation page, which is org-editable. |
| 16:55.39 | lh | antrik: as far as the current software goes, the only way is what |Kev| said |
| 16:55.40 | antrik | drt24: oh, sorry, you already suggested that :-) |
| 16:55.42 | drt24 | use the tags column? |
| 16:55.53 | lh | that's a great suggestion too drt24 |
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| 16:56.38 | lh | Okay, if no one else needs org feedback, I am going to close this meeting. |
| 16:56.41 | Ivanovic | antrik: use a tag for every subproject that the gnu umbrella features |
| 16:56.42 | lh | Anyone waiting for help? |
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| 16:56.58 | antrik | yeah, I thought about the tags too... though the "suborg" tags get lost between the generic ones I fear :-( |
| 16:57.00 | dogmeat | well, how much time do we have left? |
| 16:57.06 | antrik | but of course that's a start |
| 16:57.10 | |Kev| | lh / carols: Thanks for that. |
| 16:57.27 | lh | dogmeat: time left for what? |
| 16:57.29 | carols | quite welcome, |Kev| happy to help. |
| 16:57.31 | lh | |Kev|: you are most welcome |
| 16:57.33 | lh | what carols said |
| 16:57.39 | carols | what lh said :-) |
| 16:57.51 | antrik | |Kev|: problem is that there are so many organisations, so most students probably don't even look at each org page, unless the organisation name already rings a bell :-( |
| 16:58.11 | antrik | but yeah, surely this is one thing that could help a bit |
| 16:58.12 | dogmeat | lh, i want to put up my project to get some students working on our FOSS http://www.igniterealtime.org/community/message/202039 |
| 16:58.15 | |Kev| | antrik: Yes, I understand, the XSF is also an umbrella org (albeit a strange one) |
| 16:58.16 | lh | antrik: doing a quick scan (very quick!) of gnu.org, i dont see a list of all gnu pacakages and how they are useful |
| 16:58.30 | dogmeat | unfortunately i dont really know where to start. |
| 16:58.33 | sonne | lh, thanks again, bye |
| 16:58.35 | lh | antrik: there is a list of decomissioned packages but not one of active projects. this could be really useful |
| 16:58.37 | lh | sonne: you're welcome |
| 16:58.40 | holger | lh: also thanks from me for doing this in an open way. |
| 16:58.42 | sonne | leaves before the rain reaches Berlin http://www.wetteronline.de/dldlrad.htm |
| 16:58.54 | lh | holger: you are welcome, it helps us all learn from one another |
| 16:59.11 | lh | dogmeat: hang on i am not sure of your question |
| 16:59.13 | |Kev| | dogmeat: the XSF is in gsoc this year, Openfire can go under them. |
| 16:59.33 | lh | notes that |Kev| knows more than she does, let's the expert talk |
| 16:59.45 | dogmeat | |Kev|, ok great, how do i add my ideas to it or advertise for it? |
| 16:59.53 | antrik | lh: last time I checked, there was a list of all GNU projects somewhere on the site... but only a fraction of them are in GSoC :-) |
| 17:00.02 | lh | antrik: hang on looking again |
| 17:00.03 | |Kev| | dogmeat: the XSF has a gsoc list, and there's the ideas page on the wiki. I suggest your join the former, and edit the latter. |
| 17:00.10 | antrik | anyways, thanks for the suggestions :-) |
| 17:00.50 | lh | antrik: ok, i found it but it is *hard* to find |
| 17:00.57 | lh | may i suggest a top level page on gnu gsoc projects |
| 17:01.08 | lh | antrik: this is not as descriptive as it could be http://www.igniterealtime.org/community/message/202039 |
| 17:01.10 | lh | erg |
| 17:01.12 | lh | wrong link |
| 17:01.25 | lh | antrik: directory.fsf.org/GNU |
| 17:01.54 | lh | antrik: these suggestions are worth a try, if you can get to doing any of them let me know how it went for you. |
| 17:02.06 | antrik | OK |
| 17:02.21 | lh | I don't think anyone needs feedback, so I am closing this meeting. |
| 17:02.22 | ankitmahato | hello i am new to gsoc |
| 17:02.28 | lh | ---- end organizations feedback meeting ---- |
| 17:02.35 | carols | thanks for coming, everyone! |
| 17:02.35 | lh | ankitmahato: hi, how can we help? |
| 17:02.41 | lh | what carols said. |
| 17:02.42 | lh | :) |
| 17:02.53 | carols | heads off to go back to the mother ship |
| 17:02.56 | carols | see you soon lh |
| 17:02.57 | Inc | lh: how goes it? |
| 17:03.01 | lh | carols: safe drive, see yuo soon |
| 17:03.06 | lh | Inc: very well thanks, you? |
| 17:03.10 | carols | waves bye |
| 17:03.26 | Inc | doing fantastic |
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| 17:03.49 | Inc | getting over this darn sickness |
| 17:03.56 | Inc | I caught the Socal bug that's been going around |
| 17:04.01 | Inc | anyway, got a sec lh? |
| 17:04.04 | anbansal | hello everybody |
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| 17:04.30 | ankitmahato | @anbansal hi bansal |
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| 17:04.40 | anbansal | hi ankit |
| 17:05.21 | lh | Inc: yes once i get a sec to try to find a coffee. i really need one. |
| 17:06.11 | antrik | lh: oh, another question: *why* do you prefer projects to participate under the umbrella? |
| 17:06.44 | kblin | antrik: it's more flexible in terms of shuffling slots around |
| 17:06.46 | lh | antrik: honestly? because we fund 150 orgs so that 3ish people can manage a global program. it's a paperwork thing really. |
| 17:06.51 | |Kev| | antrik: I think that's a good idea too, fwiw, it makes it much easier to get slots to the projects that need them most. |
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| 17:08.01 | antrik | not sure whether having a two-level hierarchy really helps with the paperwork :-) |
| 17:08.09 | Maaz_ | hi I am new to gsoc |
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| 17:08.19 | |Kev| | Maaz_: hi, what can we do for you? |
| 17:08.19 | Ivanovic | lh: what do you think about the idea sending a mail to the mentor ml explicitly asking them to make use of the tags entry so that umbrella orgs do list the subprojects that definitly want to mentor students for SoC? |
| 17:08.20 | kblin | antrik: it helps the three people at the top :) |
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| 17:08.51 | kblin | Ivanovic: I'd say go for it |
| 17:08.51 | Ivanovic | antrik: at google the number of people that are assigned to handle SoC is limited |
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| 17:09.07 | Ivanovic | kblin: i am rather busy atm and some people will visit me really soon |
| 17:09.36 | Ivanovic | kblin: beside this it holds more weight if someone from google explicitly asks that all orgs make use of the tags entry, several orgs have not listed tags so far |
| 17:09.37 | antrik | yeah, I understand that. on the other hand, managing an umbrella organisation is more complex, so I wonder whether it is really a net win?... |
| 17:09.38 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:09.56 | antrik | oh well, I guess you know better than me :-) |
| 17:10.01 | Ivanovic | antrik: since this is a google project: yes, it is |
| 17:10.03 | kblin | antrik: how is it more complex? |
| 17:10.20 | Ivanovic | this way google does not have to hire additional people for this, money that can now be spent for the students instead |
| 17:10.39 | Ivanovic | and the handling of the umbrella orgs is some stuff that those known umbrellas do anyway |
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| 17:10.58 | Ivanovic | handling subprojects, talking with the people leading those and the likes |
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| 17:11.56 | vaibhavs | hey |
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| 17:12.02 | vaibhavs | archit aa gaya |
| 17:12.12 | archit | han |
| 17:12.15 | archit | kya karun ab? |
| 17:12.33 | spectie | archit, is that hindi ? |
| 17:12.42 | sanjoyd | Yes, it is. |
| 17:12.45 | spectie | :) |
| 17:13.00 | kblin | please stick to english in this channel |
| 17:13.07 | archit | okay |
| 17:13.09 | spectie | you guys should really use devanagari |
| 17:13.18 | spectie | transliteration into ascii is so 1980 |
| 17:13.56 | Catfish_Man | spectie: heh, way to be confusing with kblin :P |
| 17:13.57 | sanjoyd | Or you could write up in hindi, scan it, base64 encode the jpeg files and paste it here. |
| 17:14.04 | sanjoyd | :/ |
| 17:14.08 | spectie | LOL |
| 17:14.26 | spectie | Catfish_Man, he's the op ;) |
| 17:14.26 | kblin | sanjoyd: and earn a mute ;) |
| 17:14.43 | Catfish_Man | kblin: honestly that would be sorta awesome |
| 17:14.47 | spectie | vaibhavs, archit if you want to speak in hindi, you can join #apertium :P |
| 17:14.50 | Catfish_Man | I'd be inclined to not mute until the second one ;) |
| 17:14.58 | vaibhavs | sorry for that |
| 17:15.08 | vaibhavs | my friend has just logged in first time |
| 17:15.10 | spectie | vaibhavs, we are militantly multilingual :) |
| 17:16.04 | vaibhavs | hey spectie i am a first year undergraduate at iit kanpur |
| 17:16.08 | spectie | cool |
| 17:16.22 | vaibhavs | how much prog. am i req to know for applying to gsoc |
| 17:16.30 | spectie | vaibhavs, depends on the project / organisation |
| 17:16.34 | Catfish_Man | vaibhavs: enough to accomplish the task you apply for in 3 months |
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| 17:16.49 | sanjoyd | Should be able to read code and make out what the code is doing. |
| 17:17.11 | sanjoyd | And learn to get around a more or less large codebase. |
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| 17:17.45 | vaibhavs | i have c++ in little detail in my school will it be enough to apply for gsoc. i can learn more during next month |
| 17:18.02 | spectie | vaibhavs, again, you should really talk to the organisation in question |
| 17:18.02 | Catfish_Man | vaibhavs: nobody but you can say if it's enough |
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| 17:18.13 | spectie | some of them may have projects which only require a small knowledge of programming |
| 17:18.15 | vaibhavs | okay |
| 17:18.58 | Catfish_Man | you'll need to look at the projects, and think about which ones you can accomplish |
| 17:19.12 | vaibhavs | thanks catfish |
| 17:19.25 | Catfish_Man | no problem |
| 17:19.27 | vaibhavs | i will have a thorough look on the projects |
| 17:19.30 | vaibhavs | bye |
| 17:19.39 | |Kev| | And talk to the mentors. Always talk to the orgs :) |
| 17:19.39 | Catfish_Man | good luck :) |
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| 17:19.54 | lh | hugs all of you |
| 17:19.54 | vaibhavs | :-) |
| 17:20.00 | lh | Thanks for taking care of everyone' |
| 17:20.04 | spectie | :> |
| 17:20.05 | lh | everyone's questions :) |
| 17:20.15 | Catfish_Man | lh! |
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| 17:20.25 | Catfish_Man | hugs back, offers snickerdoodles |
| 17:20.31 | aoszkar | I have a question about eligibility: if in the first few weeks I will be in a country where I'm not eligible to work, is that ok? |
| 17:20.32 | Catfish_Man | (I actually have some. mmm) |
| 17:20.46 | lh | Catfish_Man: woot! how are you? |
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| 17:20.56 | Catfish_Man | my back hurts, but I'm good otherwise! |
| 17:21.04 | lh | aoszkar: no, unless your mentors don't care that you do no gsoc work for those weeks, which is not good. |
| 17:21.17 | lh | Catfish_Man: i am sorry to hear that. lavendar and eucalyptus oils highly recommended |
| 17:21.23 | lh | i can make you massage blend for achy back |
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| 17:21.34 | archit | hey guyz me just gud in c/c++ nothing els |
| 17:21.48 | archit | so wil thee be any work for me too |
| 17:21.55 | Catfish_Man | yup |
| 17:21.57 | archit | coz i dont hav knowledge of any other language |
| 17:21.58 | spectie | archit, then i recommend you find an organisation that needs c/c++ programmers :) |
| 17:21.58 | aoszkar | lh: thanks |
| 17:22.08 | spectie | archit, have you looked through the list of organisations ? |
| 17:22.11 | Catfish_Man | how's life with you lh? |
| 17:22.12 | lh | archit: check out the tag list for each organization on the program website, you will find many that are doing c/c++ |
| 17:22.17 | lh | Catfish_Man: good. busy. happy. you? |
| 17:22.20 | archit | yeah |
| 17:22.23 | lh | aoszkar: you're welcome |
| 17:22.31 | archit | Go open office hav some of them |
| 17:22.50 | Catfish_Man | went to portland over the weekend, that was very nice :) |
| 17:23.30 | lh | Catfish_Man: i <3 pdx! good visit? |
| 17:24.08 | Catfish_Man | yup! saw friends and family, stuck to the girl like glue. Not enough time really, but it was nice |
| 17:24.35 | lh | Catfish_Man: awesome. there's never enough time with the people you care for most is there? |
| 17:25.01 | Catfish_Man | very rarely. Christmas vacation qualified as "adequate" I think :) |
| 17:26.01 | dberkholz | lh: hi there |
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| 17:26.12 | lh | dberkholz: good day my friend, am i correct in thinking that you are a new dad? |
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| 17:26.22 | lh | and if so, send email with address and phone number to me so i can send baby clothes |
| 17:26.56 | dberkholz | lh: old and almost new again -- 1.5 yo girl and a new boy this may/june |
| 17:27.16 | lh | oh what the hey. i am so behind the times. well send email anyway. |
| 17:27.29 | Catfish_Man | congrats dberkholz :) |
| 17:27.49 | Ivanovic | congrats dberkholz |
| 17:28.38 | lh | what Catfish_Man and Ivanovic said |
| 17:28.55 | scorche | what Catfish_Man, dberkholz, and lh said |
| 17:29.11 | scorche | errr.....s/dberkholz/Ivanovic =) |
| 17:29.28 | antrik | yeah, they brought up the "slots" thing too... but as I have said before, it's not really about the slots -- those are more or less proportional to the number of applications, so in *theory* organisations under an umbrella would get just as many as individual ones |
| 17:29.30 | dberkholz | aw, shucks |
| 17:29.34 | Ivanovic | scorche: already wanted to ask "oh, you about to get a child, too?" |
| 17:29.35 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:29.36 | antrik | whoops... ECHAN |
| 17:29.54 | dberkholz | lh: you prefer lhospo or lhawthorn emails? |
| 17:30.00 | lh | dberkholz: eh, they all go the same place |
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| 17:30.06 | lh | whateva |
| 17:30.22 | Snap | hello |
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| 17:30.51 | Snap | i am new to gsoc |
| 17:31.02 | Catfish_Man | hi Snap |
| 17:31.06 | spectie | hey Snap |
| 17:31.11 | lh | Snap: welcome. how can we help? |
| 17:31.49 | Snap | do i have to be a full time developer to be able to do a project |
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| 17:32.08 | Catfish_Man | in the sense that you'll probably need "full time" amounts of time available, yes |
| 17:32.17 | Catfish_Man | in the sense that you need to be a professional, no definitely not |
| 17:32.43 | Snap | i am willing to devote my full time to gsoc |
| 17:32.45 | spectie | Snap, different orgs have different requirements |
| 17:32.51 | Snap | ok |
| 17:32.58 | spectie | but basically i think most would say that you can't do GSOC and have another job at the same time |
| 17:33.03 | spectie | (including internships etc.) |
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| 17:33.51 | Snap | suppose i want to do a project then what should i do |
| 17:33.54 | dberkholz | now i just have to convince my wife that our kids would look good in google gear |
| 17:34.05 | dberkholz | maybe i'll let her sleep in so i can dress 'em |
| 17:34.14 | Catfish_Man | Snap: the FAQ has a bunch of information :) |
| 17:34.16 | spectie | Snap, get in contact with the organisation as soon as possible |
| 17:34.23 | spectie | Snap, but yes, see the faq |
| 17:34.24 | spectie | !faq |
| 17:34.24 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 17:35.01 | Snap | do i need to go through all of the code of software] |
| 17:35.12 | Catfish_Man | I don't know what that question means |
| 17:35.14 | Snap | of the organisation i want to do project |
| 17:35.14 | spectie | Snap, depends on the project, that is something you'd have to ask your mentor/organisation |
| 17:35.21 | |Kev| | You should talk to the org, they'll tell you what they'd like you to do. |
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| 17:35.26 | Catfish_Man | ah I see. No, not necessarily |
| 17:35.52 | ritek | !next |
| 17:35.52 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications officially open, but you should start to talk to participating organizations right now! |
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| 17:35.59 | |Kev| | Personally, I'd recommend you at least look at the source to see if it's something you think you could work with, but speak to the org. Speak to the org is the answer to almost every question :) |
| 17:36.07 | spectie | yep |
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| 17:36.41 | Snap | i have done some programming but never participated in any software development so every thing look alienated |
| 17:36.50 | spectie | Snap, don't worry |
| 17:36.56 | spectie | there are many people in exactly that situation |
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| 17:38.43 | lh | gets back to the crazy inboxness |
| 17:38.51 | Snap | when you talk of viewing source code what do you mean to look at..because the programs have so many lines of code |
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| 17:39.13 | spectie | Snap, which program are you talking about ? |
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| 17:39.46 | Snap | i am talking in general of all the program |
| 17:40.05 | Snap | each program has atleast thousands of coding lines |
| 17:40.21 | spectie | Snap, yep |
| 17:40.23 | Snap | there should be something to start with |
| 17:40.25 | spectie | Snap, and if you talk to your mentor |
| 17:40.31 | spectie | Snap, they will tell you which lines to start with |
| 17:40.42 | |Kev| | Sure, I just did a line check on what I'm working on, and it's 38kloc, and it's not ready to release yet. But if you talk to the orgs of projects you think sound interesting, they'll help. |
| 17:40.58 | |Kev| | It's in their interest to help students find projects that're suitable for them. |
| 17:41.01 | spectie | yep |
| 17:41.30 | Catfish_Man | Snap: this is one reason GSOC is such a great thing. Learning to read and navigate huge programs is an incredibly important skill to have |
| 17:41.41 | Catfish_Man | because applications in real programming jobs are just as big or bigger |
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| 17:42.07 | Snap | when you download a sourcecode it has many folders can anyone tell me how are files organised in them ie what goes in which folder |
| 17:42.25 | |Kev| | Yes, the people who write that code can. |
| 17:42.32 | |Kev| | It's project-dependent. |
| 17:42.39 | spectie | yep |
| 17:42.49 | spectie | Snap, have you tried contacting the project you are interested in ? |
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| 17:44.10 | dhaun | Snap: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/msg/630ba342ab440c27 |
| 17:44.14 | Snap | the project which i am doing has not mentioned the names of mentors |
| 17:44.20 | Catfish_Man | that's fine |
| 17:44.29 | Catfish_Man | talk to the project as a whole |
| 17:44.33 | Catfish_Man | via irc, mailing lists, forums, whatever |
| 17:44.34 | spectie | Snap, then stop by their irc channel or mailing list |
| 17:44.34 | |Kev| | Snap: that's ok, there'll be a mailing list listed. |
| 17:44.35 | spectie | or forum |
| 17:44.49 | spectie | you can tell these are good replies |
| 17:44.53 | spectie | because everyone is giving the same one :) |
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| 17:45.04 | spectie | or they're bad... but consistent! |
| 17:45.12 | spectie | (i'm joking, they're good) |
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| 17:49.45 | Snap | spectie are you a student |
| 17:49.51 | spectie | Snap, nope |
| 17:49.54 | spectie | i am an admin/mentor |
| 17:50.02 | Snap | ok |
| 17:50.20 | Snap | i am quite enjoying this irc |
| 17:50.39 | spectie | cool |
| 17:50.42 | Snap | its nice to hear from people who know much much more than you |
| 17:50.59 | Snap | i am just getting started to open source programming |
| 17:51.36 | bobbens | spectie has a language fetish |
| 17:51.39 | bobbens | be careful! |
| 17:51.43 | spectie | yeah |
| 17:51.51 | spectie | it's incurable |
| 17:51.51 | spectie | :( |
| 17:51.58 | bobbens | heh |
| 17:52.01 | bobbens | it could be worse |
| 17:52.08 | spectie | aye |
| 17:52.10 | spectie | :D |
| 17:52.16 | bobbens | :) |
| 17:52.58 | Snap | i heard from my senior that people in the irc are very cool. and i now believe its true |
| 17:53.20 | spectie | great |
| 17:53.32 | micahcowan | This is something special to (most of) freenode.net, possibly. |
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| 17:53.46 | Maaz_ | hey give me some ideas |
| 17:53.55 | Maaz_ | I am totally lost |
| 17:53.55 | Catfish_Man | time to get off the bus and head in to the office |
| 17:53.56 | Catfish_Man | back in 10 or so |
| 17:54.16 | spectie | Maaz_, check out your organisation's ideas page |
| 17:54.19 | Maaz_ | From where to start |
| 17:54.30 | spectie | !orgs |
| 17:54.30 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 17:55.18 | spectie | brb |
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| 17:57.48 | Snap | there are projects which i want to do (coz i find them interesting) but they reequire some language which i dont know what should i do |
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| 17:58.38 | Dosideko | Hello |
| 17:59.00 | Dosideko | is there anyone from berkman here that I can talk to? |
| 17:59.15 | Snap | i am willing to learn them and i have a time of some 20 days but till then what |
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| 17:59.29 | mmadia | Snap : Talking to those orgs would be best. |
| 17:59.32 | spectie | yes |
| 17:59.58 | mmadia | As they may be willing to take a learning student, but i'm sure that you would need to display an ability to learn quickly. |
| 18:00.17 | Snap | and how can i display it |
| 18:00.22 | mmadia | and the self-motivation to do so :) |
| 18:00.57 | Snap | i have a quite a lot of motivation........ |
| 18:01.27 | thebolt | Evening people |
| 18:01.38 | mmadia | They may have some suggestions of what to read, what type of tasks to use for learning. |
| 18:02.08 | Snap | hey mmadia do you know xchat |
| 18:02.27 | mmadia | No, I use Vision. |
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| 18:03.16 | Snap | i am using xchat and i see my name in grey some red and some blue..what is this?? |
| 18:03.41 | Snap | some names red and some blue |
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| 18:05.55 | razor07 | !next |
| 18:05.55 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications officially open, but you should start to talk to participating organizations right now! |
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| 18:06.42 | micahcowan | Snap, xchat usually does "highlights" in red. Such as when someone says your name (this one, including both my name and the text, would probably be red). |
| 18:06.51 | micahcowan | Whereas this one, my name would be blue and the text black. |
| 18:06.56 | Snap | yes it is |
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| 18:07.11 | Sumitb | Hi all |
| 18:07.17 | Maaz_ | there are so many organisations listed |
| 18:07.18 | Snap | hi sumit |
| 18:07.31 | Sumitb | I am interested in gsoc |
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| 18:07.58 | Sumitb | and interested in algorithms |
| 18:08.25 | nik_ | hi |
| 18:08.32 | Sumitb | how to search for relevent groups |
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| 18:08.46 | nik_ | hi sumit |
| 18:09.12 | Sumitb | @Snap : can u suggest me some links |
| 18:09.24 | Maaz_ | What should be the size of prorposal? |
| 18:09.37 | |Kev| | Maaz_: that's something best worked out with the org you're applying for. |
| 18:09.46 | Maaz_ | ok |
| 18:09.47 | Snap | sumitb i have no idea |
| 18:10.21 | Sumitb | @ kev : can u suggest some orgs releted to algo |
| 18:10.29 | Ivanovic | Maaz_: in general your proposal should show that you got an idea what you are about to get into |
| 18:10.42 | Maaz_ | Whom I have to approach in the org. |
| 18:10.49 | Ivanovic | Maaz_: so yeah, writing a good proposal takes time since you got to really look at what is there and so on |
| 18:10.54 | Snap | one question suppose you talk to a mentor and he tells you to have a look at the source code then what should you do coz the codes are not of few lines or pages |
| 18:10.54 | Maaz_ | Mentor or somebody else? |
| 18:10.54 | |Kev| | Sumitb: I suspect most projects will be algorithmic to an extent. |
| 18:11.06 | |Kev| | Maaz_: I'd go for the IRC channel, XMPP MUC, or mailing list. |
| 18:11.06 | Ivanovic | you should just ask them on their normal irc channel/mailling list/forums |
| 18:11.18 | spectie | Snap, ask him which part in particular |
| 18:11.19 | spectie | or her |
| 18:11.22 | Ivanovic | whatever the org does prefer as communication |
| 18:11.28 | Snap | ok |
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| 18:12.04 | Snap | can i ask him???doesnt it looks stupid |
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| 18:12.12 | spectie | no |
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| 18:12.36 | spectie | i wouldn't be concerned about looking stupid |
| 18:12.54 | lh | Snap: i look stupid all the time. don't worry about it. |
| 18:13.06 | |Kev| | Not asking questions makes one look much more stupid than asking questions ever does. |
| 18:13.12 | Ivanovic | questions are always welcome! |
| 18:13.19 | Snap | ok |
| 18:13.20 | micahcowan | Snap, asking lots of (intelligent) questions is mostly considered the opposite of stupid in GSoC. |
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| 18:13.27 | Ivanovic | that is: questions that show that you try to get into things |
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| 18:13.46 | micahcowan | The main exception being questions that are already on the FAQ, or have already otherwise been answered hundreds of times (and are in recent archives) |
| 18:13.49 | Ivanovic | but as important as asking the correct questions is trying to understand the answers and make good use of them |
| 18:13.51 | micahcowan | Especially the FAQ. |
| 18:13.53 | |Kev| | Snap: there is, somewhere, a guide to asking questions the smart way for OSS projects. I forget where it is. |
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| 18:14.03 | |Kev| | It's an interesting read, if this culture is new to you, though. |
| 18:14.04 | Snap | thanks |
| 18:14.05 | Ivanovic | anyway, i am off for this evening, cu |
| 18:14.15 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: it's on the internet |
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| 18:14.19 | micahcowan | hah |
| 18:14.26 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: indeed, possibly at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:14.30 | Catfish_Man | that + the phrase "smart questions" is really all anyone needs to know to find it |
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| 18:16.00 | devesh | hi i am a new user |
| 18:18.23 | Catfish_Man | devesh: you're about the 10th person this morning to say that ;) |
| 18:19.43 | devesh | i got to know abt it today only |
| 18:20.05 | devesh | i am interested but not sure how to start |
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| 18:20.41 | scorche | !faq |
| 18:20.41 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 18:20.45 | scorche | start there ;) |
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| 18:21.04 | devesh | @scorche: read them |
| 18:21.17 | devesh | i was talking abt the proposals |
| 18:21.54 | devesh | they r so many in number , not sure where to begin |
| 18:23.06 | micahcowan | devesh, just jump in. There's no shortcut there, really |
| 18:23.20 | micahcowan | Except of course that if a couple of orgs jump out at you as fun-sounding, start with them first. |
| 18:23.27 | scorche | devesh: then you next step should be scanning through the organisations list....use the tags to help guide you based upon what you might be interested in and your proficiencies (language, etc) are |
| 18:23.38 | scorche | then talk to them about projects you might be interested in doing! |
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| 18:24.25 | aritra | hiii |
| 18:24.57 | aritra | anyone there?? |
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| 18:25.22 | Catfish_Man | many people |
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| 18:25.23 | devesh | @scorche: how do i talk to the organisation? |
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| 18:25.49 | scorche | devesh: search for their contact information...most projects have an IRC channel, mailing lists, etc |
| 18:25.57 | aritra | devesh?? |
| 18:25.59 | devesh | thanks |
| 18:26.05 | aritra | devesh gupta? |
| 18:26.31 | devesh | nope |
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| 18:28.05 | aritra | hi thr....i am new to this GSOC...please help abt wt am i supposed to do...& hw am i to talk to any mentor or org?? |
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| 18:28.35 | Catfish_Man | aritra: your second question was answered before you asked it |
| 18:28.38 | Catfish_Man | in reply to devesh |
| 18:28.48 | Catfish_Man | your first question is in the FAQ, which is in the channel topic |
| 18:29.04 | aritra | thnx... |
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| 18:29.44 | micahcowan | aritra, not sure but I think devesh is a pretty common name in India. |
| 18:30.01 | micahcowan | I work with one, anyway. |
| 18:30.05 | Botanic | lh: I had been told to contact you about our rejected application |
| 18:30.37 | aritra | well ya ...very much... |
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| 18:32.48 | Sumitb | ya its very common here , among australian indians too |
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| 18:33.29 | jones | can i get some help |
| 18:33.43 | micahcowan | Don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 18:33.48 | smtms | jones, of course not |
| 18:34.01 | jones | okay then |
| 18:34.04 | Botanic | lh: when you have time to talk if you wouldnt mind please saying my name. |
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| 18:34.13 | devesh | @sumitb: i thiink no one likes sumitb name at all |
| 18:34.24 | jones | i am applying for a java project |
| 18:34.33 | jones | so i am searching for it |
| 18:34.44 | jones | how can i do it is there any blog for it |
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| 18:35.09 | Sumitb | @devesh:no prob if ur name is so common |
| 18:35.12 | smtms | jones, which project is it? |
| 18:35.34 | jones | smtms,i am not finalised i am searching |
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| 18:38.31 | jones | so where can i get the sorted list consisting of only gsoc |
| 18:38.31 | jones | in java |
| 18:38.31 | jones | hello |
| 18:38.48 | thebolt | jones: you cannot |
| 18:39.10 | jones | bolt:so i need to check each individual page right |
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| 18:39.56 | thebolt | jones: yes.. also remember that some _organisations_ might have parts written in different languages.. and that you can come up with project ideas on your own (within the larger projects/organizations) |
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| 18:40.34 | devendra | jones, its the list of selected organisations, I read the last tag column to see a java project. I am also searching a project of my choice. If you like you can do the same and if you find some better way please inform me too. |
| 18:40.42 | jones | bolt:i got some new ideas but how can i choose to which organisation shall i apply |
| 18:41.07 | devendra | jones http://fwd4.me/JAM |
| 18:41.47 | thebolt | jones: well, your idea should be an extension/change/addition to an existing project.. so talk to that organization |
| 18:42.06 | jones | devendra:what is that link for |
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| 18:42.25 | jones | bolt:so i cant come up with an entirely new idea |
| 18:42.57 | micahcowan | jones, you can, if it's a good fit for the organization, and they want to mentor you on it. |
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| 18:43.04 | devendra | jones, its list of selected organisations. It has tags in last column. You can look for java there. |
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| 18:43.33 | jones | ya okay i will do it |
| 18:43.44 | Waren | yo |
| 18:43.46 | jones | and what are the documents that are to be submitted |
| 18:43.56 | micahcowan | jones, but I think it'd be a little more difficult... you'd have to "sell" them on your idea, whereas when you use the ideas they've provided (or ones similar to them), they already know they want to help you with that. |
| 18:44.10 | spectie | but |
| 18:44.13 | micahcowan | required documents are in the faq and/or student guide |
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| 18:44.17 | spectie | most organisations are really happy to hear of new ideas |
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| 18:44.38 | micahcowan | spectie, sure, as long as it's closely related to their projects. |
| 18:44.42 | spectie | yes |
| 18:44.46 | spectie | that is a given ;) |
| 18:44.59 | devendra | jones, its has a very cool feature a search box over each column to put the string to search. I put *java* and searched the java projects. |
| 18:45.05 | sumitb | can somebody tell me irc channel for lex n yacc |
| 18:45.12 | sumitb | related orgs.. |
| 18:45.32 | jones | devendra:search box in where |
| 18:45.35 | micahcowan | sumitb, most likely #gnu is the best place for that, though not everyone there will necessarily be able to answer. |
| 18:46.04 | devendra | jones, open this page http://fwd4.me/JAM and see the search box above each column. |
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| 18:46.42 | jones | micahcowan:so what do they include |
| 18:46.52 | micahcowan | sumitb, but: lex and yacc aren't specifically participating as part of GNU this year, so you'd most likely have to join the relevant mailing lists, and try to talk someone into joining GSoC as a mentor. |
| 18:46.53 | devendra | sumitb, you can also use above page search box to find projects related to that technology. |
| 18:47.16 | micahcowan | sumitb, if you do, have them see me (I'm the GNU org admin). |
| 18:47.25 | jones | devendra:i had kept java in that box but no string is coming |
| 18:47.33 | jones | i mean result |
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| 18:47.44 | spectie | sumitb, is there anything particular that you are interested in with lex/yacc ? |
| 18:48.17 | micahcowan | (by lex and yacc, of course I really mean flex and bison) |
| 18:48.19 | devendra | jones, put java in last column above tags and press enter. I can see several results. |
| 18:48.40 | jones | dev:ya got it |
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| 18:49.14 | jones | what should i talk to the mentor |
| 18:50.40 | Maaz_ | I am completely lost help me |
| 18:50.40 | jones | i mean only about my solution to the project |
| 18:50.57 | adifire | Maaz_, lost?? |
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| 18:51.06 | jones | maaz,lost from where are you |
| 18:51.22 | Maaz_ | There are so many proposals I don,t think I have complete idea about any of them |
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| 18:51.36 | adifire | Maaz_, talk to the orgs.. |
| 18:51.50 | adifire | Maaz_, talk to them in irc channels.. |
| 18:52.10 | adifire | Maaz_, they'll help u get a clear picture of the project... |
| 18:52.12 | jones | maaz,talk to orgs eventhough every one is critical about that |
| 18:52.30 | jones | can anyone describe what should i talk to the mentor |
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| 18:53.24 | Maaz_ | @adifire:thanks |
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| 18:54.09 | adifire | Maaz_, well, talk about the project you are concerned with.. |
| 18:54.23 | adifire | Maaz_, sry.. |
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| 18:55.25 | Maaz_ | @adifire:Well I am interested in dataserver and FTP |
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| 18:55.54 | adifire | Maaz_, ok...that's nice.. |
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| 18:56.07 | adifire | Maaz_, u can check up in the faq.. |
| 18:56.10 | adifire | !faq |
| 18:56.11 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 18:56.32 | adifire | there you can see the organisation list too.. |
| 18:56.48 | adifire | most of them have tags to them...so that will help you.. |
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| 18:57.01 | adifire | and a little bit of research won't hurt.. |
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| 18:57.48 | Maaz_ | @adifire:I have looked for orgs and I have found one |
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| 18:59.24 | Maaz_ | @adifire:Now what to do? |
| 19:00.23 | adifire | Maaz_, try to contact them..through irc... mailing lists.. |
| 19:00.35 | adifire | Maaz_, there might be someone to help you out.. |
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| 19:03.36 | adifire | Maaz_, You have to bend your back a bit on this.. but it's fun!! |
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| 19:24.55 | lh | Catfish_Man: how do we teach the bot? |
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| 19:25.37 | lh | !lh |
| 19:25.37 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 19:26.13 | dhaun | !lean lh as Unless she's asking questions about the bot ;-) |
| 19:26.14 | socinfo | Error: "lean" is not a valid command. |
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| 19:26.20 | dhaun | bah |
| 19:26.28 | dhaun | !learn lh as Unless she's asking questions about the bot |
| 19:26.29 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:26.31 | dhaun | !lh |
| 19:26.31 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you., or (#2) Unless she's asking questions about the bot |
| 19:26.38 | dhaun | !forget lh 2 |
| 19:26.38 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:26.51 | dhaun | lh: sorry, couldn't resist ;-) |
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| 19:27.20 | Crix- | she? i haven't used IRC in years and i keep resisting the urge to say "you guys" |
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| 19:27.56 | diofeher | is it a good idea to put two students at the same application? |
| 19:28.07 | araujo | ? |
| 19:28.17 | araujo | lh, hola amiga |
| 19:28.23 | dhaun | diofeher: probably not |
| 19:28.42 | Gendalia | Multiple students often end up proposing the same projects, however. |
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| 19:29.09 | dhaun | sure, but you would only pick one |
| 19:29.09 | diofeher | I mean... Work at the same idea |
| 19:29.24 | araujo | no |
| 19:29.24 | dhaun | diofeher: they can compete if you really want to do that |
| 19:29.27 | diofeher | Like testing updates at django, but working for two different ways |
| 19:29.31 | dhaun | but not work together |
| 19:29.38 | diofeher | mm, i see. |
| 19:29.42 | Gendalia | If they break up the milestones in their applications so that they're working on different things, and can have independent work & mentors, that may work. |
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| 19:29.54 | Gendalia | but that has to be handled from the very start, with expectations. |
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| 19:34.04 | diofeher | ok... the chances will increase if I submit the application alone? |
| 19:34.22 | Gendalia | I don't believe you can submit joint applications. |
| 19:34.23 | araujo | mmm |
| 19:34.38 | Gendalia | Things could have changed, I guess. |
| 19:34.43 | araujo | diofeher, each student needs to send the application from his/her account |
| 19:35.12 | diofeher | oh ok |
| 19:35.19 | araujo | I mean, through the web interface |
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| 19:35.24 | diofeher | yea, understood |
| 19:35.26 | araujo | so only one student per application |
| 19:35.28 | araujo | ok |
| 19:35.50 | diofeher | araujo: are you portuguese? |
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| 19:36.03 | araujo | diofeher, no |
| 19:36.18 | araujo | neither from brazil |
| 19:36.19 | araujo | :P |
| 19:36.22 | diofeher | hehe |
| 19:36.28 | diofeher | araujo is a common last name here |
| 19:36.35 | diofeher | (brazil) |
| 19:36.42 | araujo | yeah, I know :) |
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| 19:36.52 | crieger | ahoi |
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| 19:40.07 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 19:40.23 | thebolt | hi ThomasWaldmann |
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| 19:45.05 | lh | rotflmao |
| 19:45.12 | lh | dhaun: i love it |
| 19:45.18 | lh | Crix-: i say all y'all. |
| 19:45.24 | lh | it's gramatically incorrect but inclusive |
| 19:45.29 | lh | araujo: hi! |
| 19:45.32 | lh | goes back to work now |
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| 19:48.42 | harlan | How can I figure out if I still have "things to do" re the GSoC 2010 for my org? |
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| 19:49.32 | mmaruseacph2 | !next |
| 19:49.33 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications officially open, but you should start to talk to participating organizations right now! |
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| 19:56.53 | ThomasWaldmann | hi thebolt (and all other SOCers :) |
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| 19:57.57 | thebolt | ThomasWaldmann: sorry to say that I won't be a socer this year though, not even backup mentor or so :/ |
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| 20:31.55 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Orgs are announced at http://tinyurl.com/yj42nqw! - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! - Feedback on Org Applications Meeting here Friday March 26th at 16:00 UTC |
| 20:31.56 | Botanic_ | its turn based |
| 20:32.08 | [mharrison] | I didn't know that. I also thought it was a space game. Shows how much I know |
| 20:32.14 | Botanic_ | haha |
| 20:32.28 | Botanic_ | rts space game... thinking SC2? ;) |
| 20:32.44 | konr | haha, I'd be a dream to work on a Free equivalent of SC2 |
| 20:32.50 | konr | *It'd |
| 20:33.03 | Botanic_ | imo sc2 isnt much better then sc1 |
| 20:33.16 | smtms | konr, it will be a failed GSoC project ;-) |
| 20:33.40 | Botanic_ | rts's are actually one of the easier games to make |
| 20:34.40 | smtms | Botanic_, really? |
| 20:34.40 | infinity0 | did boswars ever do gsoc? |
| 20:34.48 | infinity0 | no physics, smtms :) |
| 20:35.00 | infinity0 | well, very little needed to make a "good" rts |
| 20:35.03 | Catfish_Man | infinity0: SC2 uses Havoc... |
| 20:35.14 | Botanic_ | a rts needs nearly nothing special |
| 20:35.18 | infinity0 | yeah but that's just to show off no? |
| 20:35.21 | Botanic_ | a mmo needs to be huge |
| 20:35.30 | infinity0 | gameplay isn't dependent on it? |
| 20:35.36 | Botanic_ | a fps needs physics and bullet stuff |
| 20:35.40 | smtms | Botanic_, make me an RTS this weekend please :-) |
| 20:35.47 | Botanic_ | i said easiest |
| 20:35.48 | Botanic_ | not easy |
| 20:35.49 | Catfish_Man | infinity0: hm... mostly, yeah. I think the time bubble ability on the mothership uses it for gameplay-impacting things |
| 20:36.00 | Botanic_ | smtms: just making tetris is hard |
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| 20:36.20 | infinity0 | ah |
| 20:36.36 | Botanic_ | Catfish_Man: no |
| 20:36.36 | guest9901 | what is google summer of code |
| 20:36.44 | Botanic_ | the mothership doesnt move anything |
| 20:36.49 | Botanic_ | with time bubble |
| 20:36.55 | Catfish_Man | Botanic_: it slows incoming projectiles down |
| 20:36.56 | Botanic_ | least as far as gameplay is concerned |
| 20:36.57 | guest9901 | please help |
| 20:36.59 | Catfish_Man | or did in an early demo |
| 20:37.04 | mmadia | guest9901 : http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:91zEOkw0gSUJ:socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs+http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 20:37.09 | Botanic_ | doesnt anymore |
| 20:37.12 | Catfish_Man | k |
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| 20:37.14 | Botanic_ | not to mention thats not hard |
| 20:37.18 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: it is Havok with k ;) |
| 20:37.22 | Botanic_ | you just change the movement speed of the effect |
| 20:37.28 | Botanic_ | doesnt need physics to do that |
| 20:37.32 | Botanic_ | as nothing can miss |
| 20:37.50 | Botanic_ | now if you could dodge attacks |
| 20:37.55 | Botanic_ | thatd be a bit harder |
| 20:38.14 | carols | !learn carols as cat herder and gsoc program admin who can probably help you with your questions if you ask nicely. :-) |
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| 20:38.22 | guest9901 | who r u mmadia your name is red on my screen while other r black |
| 20:38.22 | kblin | home sweet home |
| 20:38.35 | Catfish_Man | guest9901: mmadia mentioned you, which highlights that message |
| 20:38.38 | carols | !learn couch as open source couch on which to chill |
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| 20:39.16 | kblin | carols: so how did lh drag you into doing gsoc? :) |
| 20:39.18 | Botanic_ | carols: can you help with some 411 on why we were denied for GSOC? |
| 20:39.31 | kblin | er.. I meant get.. not drag... |
| 20:39.36 | thebolt | evening kblin :) |
| 20:39.45 | carols | kblin: i asked her to participate. i think you guys are awesome and i wanted to help with the program :-) |
| 20:39.46 | thilini1 | hi anyone.. i have a question |
| 20:40.00 | carols | sure Botanic_, email me or PM me carols at google dot com |
| 20:40.01 | thilini1 | can we apply for two projects in same org |
| 20:40.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | evening thebolt, how did the trip to the far north go? |
| 20:40.07 | thebolt | carols: ouch :P ;) |
| 20:40.13 | Botanic_ | carols@gmail.com? |
| 20:40.28 | kblin | Botanic_: google |
| 20:40.29 | carols | Botanic_: carols@google.com |
| 20:40.30 | mmadia | thank you for posting the Haiku flyer to the wiki page, carols |
| 20:40.33 | carols | i work at google |
| 20:40.38 | Botanic_ | ah ty |
| 20:40.38 | Botanic_ | :) |
| 20:40.47 | thilini1 | carols: please reply |
| 20:40.48 | ThomasWaldmann | thilini1: none is holding you back |
| 20:40.49 | kblin | carols: that's way cool. :) |
| 20:40.50 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: trip went fine, got our northern light and a lot of other activities (of which many where not new for me but for my taiwanese travel companions they were) |
| 20:40.54 | carols | thebolt: ah, i like it though! you guys are awesome :-) |
| 20:41.03 | Botanic_ | carols: been lh hunting for like a week ;) |
| 20:41.10 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: but 18 hours train is a bit long ;) |
| 20:41.12 | ThomasWaldmann | thilini1: but keep in mind that quality is better than quantity |
| 20:41.19 | carols | thilini1: reply to what? |
| 20:41.31 | thilini1 | can we apply for two projects in same org |
| 20:41.35 | Botanic_ | <thilini1> can we apply for two projects in same org |
| 20:41.43 | carols | kblin: thanks :-) i like it here and now I have an awesome community to work with too |
| 20:41.52 | carols | Botanic_: yeah, she and i have been traveling |
| 20:41.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: nice for northern light. Whom did you bribe? or was the 18 hour payment for the light show? |
| 20:42.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | Botanic_: of course you can |
| 20:42.20 | Botanic_ | Wolf_OSGeo: that was me quiting thi |
| 20:42.20 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: just being at the right place at the right time i guess ;) |
| 20:42.23 | Botanic_ | :P |
| 20:42.23 | carols | thilini1: who is we? a student? students can apply for up to twenty projects |
| 20:42.31 | Botanic_ | you dont want me programming anything :) |
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| 20:42.36 | Botanic_ | i do art, music, ect |
| 20:42.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | Botanic_: right, didn't scroll my eyes further... |
| 20:42.47 | carols | mmadia: happy to help, thanks for the flyer :-) |
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| 20:42.57 | Botanic_ | i believe thebolt got to see my code once |
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| 20:43.06 | Botanic_ | i think it scarred him for life |
| 20:43.06 | ThomasWaldmann | (if course it would take about half a year to write 20 GOOD applications :) |
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| 20:43.27 | thilini1 | carols: i m a student , i asked many proposals for different projects in same orgainization |
| 20:43.31 | thilini1 | would that ok |
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| 20:44.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | thilini1: no limit on the number of orgs |
| 20:44.02 | thebolt | Botanic_: well, i have stopped doing 3d graphics, haven't I ?;) |
| 20:44.13 | kblin | Botanic_: I doubt that. no-one who thinks he can't code can possibly code as bad as people who think they _can_ code |
| 20:44.14 | carols | thilini1: is the organization ok with it? its up to them how many projects they feel you could work on in the course of the summer |
| 20:44.23 | Botanic_ | kblin: oh i can code |
| 20:44.28 | Botanic_ | just you dont wanna try to read it |
| 20:44.37 | Botanic_ | im usually the only one who can |
| 20:44.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | kblin: that is so true |
| 20:44.46 | kblin | Botanic_: ok, so do you use any languages besides perl? :) |
| 20:44.59 | Botanic_ | php, C, C++, cobal, fortran mostly |
| 20:45.15 | thilini1 | carols: thanks |
| 20:45.18 | kblin | ah, good, very limited overlap then |
| 20:45.23 | kblin | phew :) |
| 20:45.28 | carols | thilini1: you're quite welcome. |
| 20:45.31 | Botanic_ | the cobal and fortran make my C/C++ awful :P |
| 20:45.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | I can believe that :P |
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| 20:46.20 | Botanic_ | I accidently wrote a program all on one line once for a school project... |
| 20:46.31 | Botanic_ | that didnt earn me any points |
| 20:46.42 | thebolt | Botanic_: cobol you mean? |
| 20:46.49 | |Kev| | I code C++ like I code Java. This poses a problem when I try to write C like I write C++ ;) |
| 20:46.50 | Botanic_ | I also cant spell |
| 20:46.53 | Botanic_ | case and point :P |
| 20:46.54 | thebolt | Botanic_: ;) |
| 20:47.12 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: so, with no uses of delete? ;) |
| 20:47.35 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: What's delete? |
| 20:47.40 | kblin | Catfish_Man: wait, C has a garbage collector to do that, right? |
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| 20:47.52 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I think it's called OOM killer |
| 20:47.55 | Catfish_Man | hehe |
| 20:47.57 | |Kev| | kblin: sure, it frees it all when it receives a SIGSEGV |
| 20:48.05 | Catfish_Man | looks at libauto and sighs |
| 20:48.07 | Catfish_Man | it actually does |
| 20:48.15 | Botanic_ | carols: sent |
| 20:48.18 | Catfish_Man | (or boehm-gc for non-OSX folks) |
| 20:48.30 | carols | great, ill check it out, thanks Botanic_ |
| 20:48.37 | Botanic_ | much thanks |
| 20:48.38 | |Kev| | And no, I do use delete, although I also make heavy use of shared_ptr |
| 20:48.40 | Botanic_ | :) |
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| 20:49.26 | Botanic_ | if anyone here has ever tried doin OOP in cobol then ya |
| 20:49.34 | Botanic_ | they know the disaster that it is |
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| 20:50.33 | Botanic_ | makes perl look fun ;) |
| 20:50.42 | robbyoconnor | ajuonline: ping |
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| 21:01.36 | Catfish_Man | aargrghrgh forgot you can't safely ctrl-c cvs |
| 21:02.00 | [mharrison] | lol |
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| 21:02.29 | Catfish_Man | prays that commit made it through intact |
| 21:03.06 | kblin | carols: got a moment? |
| 21:03.14 | blast007 | Catfish_Man: it probably did... well, at least the first half of it ;) |
| 21:03.18 | carols | kblin: of course! |
| 21:03.23 | kblin | carols: pm? |
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| 21:18.25 | gautamg | hello how does gcc99 different from gcc |
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| 21:18.55 | darkip | not sure, i'm guessing it follows C99 standard? |
| 21:20.23 | gautamg | what is the difference between code of both two...... |
| 21:21.04 | smtms | what is gcc99? |
| 21:22.49 | drt24 | I guess it is equivalent to alias gcc99='gcc -std=c99' |
| 21:23.06 | drt24 | but that is only a guess |
| 21:24.32 | Ori_B | smtms: it's C99 + GNU extensions |
| 21:24.41 | Ori_B | so labels-as-values, inner functions, etc |
| 21:24.58 | smtms | Ori_B, gcc99 is gnu99? |
| 21:25.03 | Dark_Shikari | Ori_B: no, that's gnu99 |
| 21:25.27 | robbyoconnor | people need to stop f'en coming here for f'en support |
| 21:25.38 | Ori_B | oh, oops, yeah. |
| 21:25.38 | robbyoconnor | we need to put "this is not a support channel" in the topic |
| 21:25.53 | Catfish_Man | oh hah. I thought this was #llvm |
| 21:25.59 | Catfish_Man | wow this is more offtopic than I thought |
| 21:26.09 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: eh? |
| 21:26.12 | robbyoconnor | you have ops :) |
| 21:26.54 | Raim | drt24: it's an alias for 'gcc -std=c99 -D_GNU_SOURCE' |
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| 21:27.20 | robbyoconnor | dont encourage people asking support questions |
| 21:27.25 | robbyoconnor | ]pisses me the f' off |
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| 21:28.02 | erenn | hello |
| 21:28.27 | Catfish_Man | hi erenn |
| 21:28.29 | erenn | clear |
| 21:28.46 | erenn | hey how's going |
| 21:29.05 | Catfish_Man | weell... getting a lot of kernel panics just now, but other than that, good |
| 21:29.15 | erenn | cool :) |
| 21:29.17 | robbyoconnor | I wanna do HFOSS this summer :( |
| 21:29.24 | erenn | what's that ? |
| 21:29.26 | robbyoconnor | but OpenMRS is recommending I do a diff org :( |
| 21:29.27 | erenn | HFOSS? |
| 21:29.38 | robbyoconnor | Humanitarian Free Open Source Software |
| 21:29.48 | Catfish_Man | it's like a hoss, but all caps and with an f in it |
| 21:29.49 | robbyoconnor | it's using Open Source is a solve a humanitarian problem |
| 21:29.50 | erenn | ahh ok |
| 21:29.53 | Catfish_Man | probably dialect |
| 21:29.54 | robbyoconnor | Sahana - Disaster Relief |
| 21:30.10 | robbyoconnor | OpenMRS - Medical Records in the developing world |
| 21:30.13 | erenn | it's a kind of contest or something ? |
| 21:30.21 | robbyoconnor | erenn: no |
| 21:30.26 | robbyoconnor | re-read what i said |
| 21:30.34 | erenn | oh ok sorry |
| 21:31.09 | robbyoconnor | it's the Open Source model being applied as it should |
| 21:32.49 | erenn | guys , i am looking for someone who needs c or c++ developer |
| 21:33.09 | erenn | as of course for GSOC |
| 21:33.47 | ThomasWaldmann | the list of orgs has tags, look there for c and cpp |
| 21:34.06 | ThomasWaldmann | or c++ (?) |
| 21:34.18 | erenn | ok |
| 21:34.21 | darkip | heh |
| 21:34.47 | erenn | i just think that for getting involved , i have to hang around in irc a bit tough |
| 21:34.50 | micahcowan | Hm, I think it would find "c" within words (it found "lex" in "complexity"). Dunno if adding spaces around it helps... |
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| 21:35.53 | erenn | micahcowan, ok |
| 21:36.22 | dhaun | micahcowan: sounds like a feature request for Melange ... |
| 21:37.41 | erenn | i got the list |
| 21:37.43 | erenn | working on it |
| 21:38.35 | [mharrison] | "Is that all what the designers of The Gimp can do, desperately trying to imitate Photoshop? This program lacks any innovation. Oh well it's free, just like the dog shit on? the sidewalks. " |
| 21:38.48 | [mharrison] | Wow, talk about FOSS understanding fail |
| 21:39.10 | erenn | who said that ? |
| 21:39.32 | [mharrison] | erenn, a comment on a YouTube video...so you'd expect something like that |
| 21:39.44 | micahcowan | Oh geez, I stopped reading comments on YouTube ages ago. |
| 21:39.45 | smtms | [mharrison], graphic professinals are very happy they can hack on GIMP, because it's FOSS, instead of doing graphics work |
| 21:40.07 | erenn | i would say spams instead of comments |
| 21:40.15 | micahcowan | It seems to be significantly lower brain-level there than pretty much any other commentable web app I can think of. |
| 21:40.16 | erenn | they are useless bandwith |
| 21:40.19 | [mharrison] | micahcowan, heh, yeah I usually don't, but this was a GIMP tutorial without audio, so I wanted to see if there was any additional info in the comments |
| 21:40.35 | [mharrison] | micahcowan, have you seen the two xkcds about it? |
| 21:42.13 | WinterMute | about GIMP? |
| 21:42.17 | [mharrison] | About YouTube |
| 21:43.11 | WinterMute | I saw the moon one |
| 21:44.31 | [mharrison] | Yeah, http://xkcd.com/202/ and http://xkcd.com/481/ |
| 21:45.00 | WinterMute | hehe |
| 21:45.42 | micahcowan | [mharrison], saw the "reading back one", though it was a good one to read again. Hadn't seen the other one. |
| 21:45.58 | [mharrison] | Both are classics |
| 21:46.28 | kblin | which reminds me, I need to print out 303 for work |
| 21:47.02 | [mharrison] | I love the last comment..."it was a soundstage on mars" |
| 21:47.55 | micahcowan | Yeah, 303 is classic |
| 21:48.24 | micahcowan | Never mind that in reality, there's nearly always something else you could be doing alongside the build... |
| 21:48.47 | [mharrison] | Yeah, like sword fighting... |
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| 21:49.13 | micahcowan | touché |
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| 21:49.24 | micahcowan | (pun not intended but a bit funny anyway) |
| 21:50.31 | Catfish_Man | micahcowan: aside from interleaving other work with compiling, there's a good reason my employer has a compiler team ;) |
| 21:50.39 | Catfish_Man | (mmm delicious delicious clang) |
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| 21:53.39 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: well, i am guessing more they are a compiler _construction_ team than compiler _user_ team? ;) |
| 21:53.46 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 21:53.56 | Catfish_Man | makin' all the rest of our builds faster |
| 21:55.28 | [mharrison] | micahcowan, lol |
| 21:58.39 | erenn | lol |
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| 22:20.09 | auzigog | Hey all. I've got a proposal for drupal over here: http://wiki.auzigog.com/Drupal_Projects_for_Activists_and_Movements_-_GSoC_Proposal ... i've already asked the drupal group for feedback. could anyone here provide some? |
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| 22:40.04 | robbyoconnor | auzigog: you (and everbody) need to learn to talk to the orgs and *NOT* come here |
| 22:40.29 | robbyoconnor | ultimately it's the org that will judge it not the gsoc program admins |
| 22:40.37 | auzigog | i understand that. i have gone to them |
| 22:40.50 | auzigog | i thought extra advice could come from this community |
| 22:40.54 | auzigog | but apparently that is not the case |
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| 22:42.16 | dhaun | auzigog: well, I would expect to see a schedule in a proposal, but I don't know if Drupal wants that |
| 22:42.25 | dhaun | so, as robbyoconnor said: talk to them |
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| 22:42.37 | auzigog | dhaun: mk. thanks |
| 22:42.46 | robbyoconnor | dhaun: it's hard to guage how long a task will take |
| 22:42.51 | robbyoconnor | I know I've hit problems |
| 22:43.00 | robbyoconnor | which forced me to modify the schedule |
| 22:43.07 | robbyoconnor | but a well laid out plan |
| 22:43.10 | robbyoconnor | mock ups |
| 22:43.16 | robbyoconnor | if you're dealing with UIs |
| 22:43.23 | dhaun | right, but it forces people to sit down and break the project into smaller tasks |
| 22:43.30 | robbyoconnor | dhaun: yeh |
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| 22:43.36 | dhaun | we then ignore the schedule entirely :) |
| 22:43.47 | robbyoconnor | dhaun: ahhh |
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| 22:44.03 | Catfish_Man | just like the real world! ;) |
| 22:44.09 | robbyoconnor | dhaun: i started my project and found out I didnt actually understand it! |
| 22:44.10 | dhaun | well, half-kidding - we now it's not worth much |
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| 22:44.26 | dhaun | s/now/know/ |
| 22:45.56 | robbyoconnor | auzigog: I'm not trying to be mean here or preach: just saying that people need to talk to the people who will judge their proposals |
| 22:46.45 | auzigog | robbyoconnor: no worries. i appreciate the feedback |
| 22:48.31 | mlankhorst | aw |
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| 22:49.07 | robbyoconnor | mlankhorst: i'm growing up I know! |
| 22:49.12 | robbyoconnor | isn't it scary? |
| 22:49.20 | mlankhorst | yes it is |
| 22:49.23 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: to be honest, I'm not sure I prefer angry robby to hyper robby ;P |
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| 22:49.48 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: I HATE YOUR F'EN GUTS! |
| 22:49.52 | robbyoconnor | better? |
| 22:49.53 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 22:50.17 | robbyoconnor | ...it'd probably be more convincing if it i didn't put a smiley... |
| 22:50.52 | spectre | wow, will be sad to see lh go! |
| 22:50.56 | mlankhorst | yes :( |
| 22:51.04 | mlankhorst | but we still have carols :) |
| 22:51.06 | spectre | but pleased to know we're in good hands |
| 22:51.07 | spectre | yeah :D |
| 22:51.07 | Catfish_Man | wait what. what did I miss? |
| 22:51.12 | robbyoconnor | lh cant go :( |
| 22:51.15 | carols | i will take care of all of you :-) |
| 22:51.24 | carols | catfish_man: lh announced she's leaving |
| 22:51.29 | Catfish_Man | D: |
| 22:51.30 | micahcowan | Which ml? |
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| 22:51.35 | mlankhorst | mentor list |
| 22:51.41 | spectre | mentors list |
| 22:51.49 | robbyoconnor | I didnt see it :( |
| 22:51.50 | robbyoconnor | :( |
| 22:51.58 | robbyoconnor | :(((( |
| 22:52.03 | robbyoconnor | where is she going? |
| 22:52.05 | micahcowan | suuuuuuuuuuuucks |
| 22:52.11 | mlankhorst | some costa rican company |
| 22:52.31 | robbyoconnor | :( |
| 22:52.41 | robbyoconnor | she better stay in touch w/ us! |
| 22:52.58 | robbyoconnor | wait i have her on facebook, twitter, and identi.ca |
| 22:53.20 | robbyoconnor | carols: i'm a handful sometimes :) |
| 22:53.35 | seventoes | I keep seeing "CV" everywhere, I must have missed where it's explained what CV is :( |
| 22:53.50 | mlankhorst | www.google.com/search?q=define:CV |
| 22:53.59 | carols | robbyoconnor: i look forward to the challenge :-) |
| 22:54.11 | seventoes | mlankhorst: thanks! |
| 22:54.12 | robbyoconnor | she better be at Open Everything NYC |
| 22:54.17 | mlankhorst | carols: See if you can break most genuine amount of emails sent in a day ;p |
| 22:54.19 | robbyoconnor | that was fun! |
| 22:54.33 | robbyoconnor | when is she leaving? |
| 22:54.54 | tito | hi everyone |
| 22:55.15 | tito | is 2 students can be together for one proposal / project ? |
| 22:55.37 | Catfish_Man | no |
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| 22:56.03 | carols | mlankhorst: we shall see :-) |
| 22:56.07 | tito | where can i have information for that ? |
| 22:56.13 | tito | 'no' is light response :) |
| 22:56.16 | dhaun | tito: that's in the faq |
| 22:56.18 | dhaun | !faq |
| 22:56.18 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 22:56.30 | tito | oh my god :( i apologize |
| 22:56.51 | mlankhorst | dhaun++ |
| 22:57.06 | mlankhorst | hm, is that bot plugin no longer running? |
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| 22:58.38 | robbyoconnor | carols: i'll miss lh :( |
| 22:58.52 | robbyoconnor | carols: so that's why she wanted you added as an admin to the meetups list |
| 22:59.08 | carols | robbyoconnor: i hear ya. its a sad day. she'll still be around though |
| 22:59.16 | robbyoconnor | good |
| 22:59.17 | carols | robbyoconnor: yes, it all becomes clear now, eh? :-) |
| 22:59.26 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 22:59.34 | tito | i don't see anything about "two students do a proposal" on faq |
| 22:59.42 | robbyoconnor | tito: no you can't |
| 22:59.46 | dhaun | tito: search for "group" |
| 22:59.46 | mlankhorst | carols: it's not that hard, if you need help with managing the irc channel let me know :) |
| 22:59.48 | robbyoconnor | it's actually addressed. |
| 23:00.11 | carols | mlankhorst: much appreciated! i may take you up on that at some point :-) |
| 23:00.13 | tito | ok, collaboration are accepted, only one will be recognized |
| 23:00.33 | tito | i just have 2 student on my org wanted to apply together |
| 23:00.49 | tito | ok, thanks for the tips, i shoudl reread the faq.* |
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| 23:01.44 | spsneo | !next |
| 23:01.44 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications officially open, but you should start to talk to participating organizations right now! |
| 23:02.23 | robbyoconnor | tito: technically you should work alone |
| 23:02.26 | carols | trundles off for the weekend |
| 23:02.34 | robbyoconnor | as your partner can tank your chances of finishing |
| 23:02.37 | carols | see you all on monday! |
| 23:02.41 | Catfish_Man | bye carols! |
| 23:02.48 | carols | bye catfish_man! |
| 23:02.52 | carols | waves bye |
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| 23:10.33 | kblin | whoa |
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| 23:14.41 | JZA | hi I need to know where do I sign up as a mentor |
| 23:14.58 | seventoes | http://socghop.appspot.com/site/home/site |
| 23:15.00 | JZA | to record the linkid |
| 23:15.09 | seventoes | last link under GSoC 2010 after you log in |
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| 23:15.58 | JZA | ok |
| 23:16.41 | |Kev| | I just followed the user guide, that seemed to work. |
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| 23:17.53 | goddard | robbyoconnor what program are you working on? or are you a mentor? |
| 23:18.06 | JZA | seventoes: ok I sign up but where do I get the linkID? |
| 23:18.32 | seventoes | JZA, dunno I just remember that linked to apply :P maybe you gotta wait till you're accepted |
| 23:19.17 | JZA | umm... that doesnt make much sense, the project asked me my LinkID first |
| 23:19.39 | robbyoconnor | goddard: student. |
| 23:20.01 | JZA | goddard: where can I get a linkid? |
| 23:20.03 | robbyoconnor | and just tweaking one small part of my 2008 project |
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| 23:20.06 | seventoes | JZA, I'm applying as a student, no idea about the mentor process :( |
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| 23:21.43 | goddard | search google JZA |
| 23:22.54 | JZA | goddard: I thought this channel was for helping on these processes |
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| 23:25.16 | goddard | JZA I am new along with you my friend |
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| 23:28.53 | Crix- | ask a question, chances are you'll get a response in a little while |
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| 23:29.43 | harlan | JZA, are you asking for a linkid for a project you are setting up? |
| 23:30.50 | robbyoconnor | it's likely your email |
| 23:31.00 | robbyoconnor | ie mine is robby.oconnor |
| 23:31.04 | robbyoconnor | yours may be diff |
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| 23:33.31 | JZA | harlan: no the project is builted already |
| 23:33.35 | harlan | ok |
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| 23:33.53 | JZA | harlan: the project "owner" asked for my linkid to add me as a mentor |
| 23:33.56 | harlan | I think you get to pick your linkid, and if that one is already taken the app will tell you. |
| 23:34.02 | harlan | ah |
| 23:34.16 | JZA | JZA if you want to mentor you need to register here: http://socghop.appspot.com/ and give me your linkID |
| 23:34.31 | JZA | however I don't know where do I see my linkid |
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| 23:35.39 | JZA | harlan: what is linkid, username? login? email? where do I see that? |
| 23:35.55 | JZA | not sure what he meant by linkid |
| 23:36.04 | harlan | I haven't had to do that in a long time, so I'm not sure. |
| 23:36.11 | JZA | great |
| 23:36.21 | harlan | If you click in the "slot" for that info, it will probably tell you. |
| 23:36.24 | JZA | the faq doesnt mention that |
| 23:36.28 | harlan | If you have a gmail account, try using that username. |
| 23:36.37 | JZA | umm... |
| 23:36.44 | harlan | the app should tell you if that linkid exists or not. |
| 23:37.26 | JZA | ok found it |
| 23:37.33 | JZA | it was on my profile |
| 23:37.36 | harlan | yay - what is the real answer? |
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| 23:38.34 | Botanic_ | you have to be a uni student to be in gsoc? |
| 23:39.17 | pygi | Botanic_, yes |
| 23:39.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#eligibility |
| 23:39.30 | harlan | as a student, probably. I *think* some late high-school students are allowed (you'd have to check the official rules) and I know that grad students and PhD canditates are also allowed. |
| 23:39.39 | harlan | I'd believe what Wolf_OSGeo wrote. |
| 23:40.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | Botanic_: for instance college is also ok |
| 23:40.27 | goddard | To be a student of a project what is the recommended skill level? If you just recently learned Java for example will you still have a chance? |
| 23:41.16 | thiago_home | depends on the project and on the organisation |
| 23:41.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | goddard: if you have a good idea go for it, but remember it is highly competetive |
| 23:41.41 | harlan | go for it, goddard . |
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| 23:42.06 | Catfish_Man | goddard: it seems fairly unlikely to me that organizations will have project ideas at a level a brand new programmer could handle |
| 23:42.07 | harlan | My group (NTP) has used both "beginning" coders as well as PhD folks. |
| 23:42.14 | Catfish_Man | but if you find one you believe you could do in 3 months, go for it |
| 23:43.09 | weirddood55 | ls |
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| 23:43.23 | weirddood55 | oops...this wasn't my vm |
| 23:43.40 | Catfish_Man | this is (one reason) why people need to stop frickin' using their terminals for irc :P |
| 23:44.11 | weirddood55 | Catfish_man: The terminal rules |
| 23:44.36 | Catfish_Man | if you dislike readable fonts and like accidentally spamming people, yes |
| 23:45.05 | harlan | life happens. |
| 23:45.21 | weirddood55 | haha... |
| 23:45.53 | goddard | :DS |
| 23:46.36 | goddard | I use my terminal as well dont worry weriddood55 :D |
| 23:46.52 | Dark_Shikari | readable fonts? |
| 23:46.56 | Dark_Shikari | I use the terminal explicitly because it's more readable |
| 23:47.16 | weirddood55 | Oh I don't worry...I'm fine with people thinking I'm weird |
| 23:47.25 | goddard | obviously hahaha |
| 23:47.30 | Dark_Shikari | also, "accidentally spamming people" can happen with any window manager |
| 23:47.34 | Dark_Shikari | alt-tab, type, enter |
| 23:47.37 | Dark_Shikari | oh wait, that was my IRC. |
| 23:47.40 | harlan | Interesting - I worry when people *don't* think I'm weird. |
| 23:47.42 | Catfish_Man | Dark_Shikari: proportional fonts, specifically |
| 23:47.51 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: that's exactly what I don't want |
| 23:48.14 | Catfish_Man | mm. Well, you're welcome to use fixed-width, but readability ain't what those are for |
| 23:48.32 | Dark_Shikari | I don't understand how making some letters really small is supposed to make things more readable. |
| 23:48.57 | Catfish_Man | that's not what proportional fonts do. They decrease the spacing between letters that don't fill their bounding boxes |
| 23:49.02 | Catfish_Man | completely different |
| 23:49.13 | Dark_Shikari | but in courier new, all letters fill their bounding boxes. |
| 23:49.15 | Dark_Shikari | and that's fixed-width. |
| 23:49.32 | Catfish_Man | really. An "i" fills its whole horizontal space? |
| 23:49.35 | Dark_Shikari | Yes. |
| 23:49.38 | Dark_Shikari | want a screenshot? |
| 23:49.44 | Catfish_Man | I've got it installed, one moment |
| 23:50.02 | Catfish_Man | no it doesn't |
| 23:50.08 | Catfish_Man | want a screenshot? |
| 23:50.08 | Dark_Shikari | http://i40.tinypic.com/23rwx7p.png |
| 23:50.17 | goddard | I am not sure about you guys but I can make my terminal IRC program look how ever I want in the terminal |
| 23:50.22 | Dark_Shikari | Looks the same size as a "t" or "l" to me |
| 23:50.35 | Catfish_Man | exactly, but not the same size as an m |
| 23:50.42 | Catfish_Man | yet it takes up the same space as an m |
| 23:50.48 | Dark_Shikari | no, it's about the same size as an m |
| 23:51.07 | Dark_Shikari | it doesn't have the same area, but it has the same width |
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| 23:51.15 | goddard | haha |
| 23:51.17 | Catfish_Man | http://dscoder.com/images/couriernew.png |
| 23:51.24 | Catfish_Man | not the same width at all |
| 23:51.28 | Dark_Shikari | ok, that is unreadable |
| 23:51.30 | goddard | Now this is a funny arguement. |
| 23:51.32 | Dark_Shikari | but you're on a mac |
| 23:51.34 | Dark_Shikari | so that's not surprising |
| 23:51.39 | Dark_Shikari | every single font on macs looks like garbage |
| 23:51.40 | Catfish_Man | it's the same font! |
| 23:51.42 | Dark_Shikari | because its kerning is broken |
| 23:51.55 | tml_ | is amazed that fixed-width fonts apparently is an unknown concept to some people |
| 23:52.01 | Catfish_Man | fixed width *requires* that either 'i' be overspaced or 'm' be underspaced |
| 23:52.07 | Catfish_Man | that's what it *means* |
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| 23:52.11 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: yes, which is a good thing |
| 23:52.16 | Dark_Shikari | it means the i isn't overly compressed |
| 23:52.18 | Dark_Shikari | into a tiny unreadable spec |
| 23:52.23 | Dark_Shikari | *speck |
| 23:52.34 | tml_ | Catfish_Man: that is pretty much the definition of a "typewriter" or "fixed-width" font, yeah |
| 23:52.43 | goddard | :D my font looks good |
| 23:52.44 | kblin | I think ll is actually worse than i |
| 23:52.53 | Catfish_Man | Dark_Shikari: it doesn't make the i any bigger or smaller |
| 23:52.56 | Catfish_Man | only the spacing around it |
| 23:53.05 | x` | i heard some people code with proportional fonts *gasp* |
| 23:53.19 | goddard | :D |
| 23:53.45 | kblin | Catfish_Man: on Dark_Shikari's font, the serif line on the i is as wide as the m |
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| 23:53.59 | Dark_Shikari | also |
| 23:54.01 | Dark_Shikari | http://i44.tinypic.com/15qww2t.png |
| 23:54.03 | Dark_Shikari | top is courier new |
| 23:54.06 | Dark_Shikari | bottom is Consolas |
| 23:54.39 | Catfish_Man | Consolas is a nice font, but look at the crazy spacing on the apostrophe for example |
| 23:54.44 | Dark_Shikari | cannot stand consolas |
| 23:54.48 | Dark_Shikari | I tried to use it for a day for coding |
| 23:54.50 | Dark_Shikari | my eyes revolted |
| 23:55.05 | Catfish_Man | uses Inconsolata for coding |
| 23:55.17 | Dark_Shikari | hmm, looks interesting |
| 23:55.27 | kblin | yeah, I use that as well |
| 23:55.41 | Catfish_Man | it's a consolas variant, really, but not as heavily tuned for MS's type engine |
| 23:56.01 | Dark_Shikari | hmm, how do I use that on windows? |
| 23:56.09 | Catfish_Man | no clue |
| 23:56.23 | Dark_Shikari | oh, windows supports opentype |
| 23:56.28 | Dark_Shikari | tries |
| 23:56.30 | kblin | it's a tff file, right? |
| 23:56.45 | Catfish_Man | kblin: that's a good point about the serifs, btw. It does help somewhat |
| 23:56.48 | harlan | what about lucidatypewriter (or whatever)? |
| 23:56.54 | Catfish_Man | still ends up looking mis-kerned though |
| 23:57.13 | Dark_Shikari | hmm. putty won't let me select it as a font. |
| 23:57.24 | Catfish_Man | is typing this in Lucida Grande 10pt, but was using Calibri for a while |
| 23:57.32 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I have to admit I'm an irssi user as well, though |
| 23:57.48 | Dark_Shikari | irssi is great because you can run it on a remote machine |
| 23:57.51 | Dark_Shikari | and log in from anywhere |
| 23:57.53 | Dark_Shikari | and never lose anything |
| 23:58.02 | Dark_Shikari | there's only one non-terminal IRC that lets you do that, iirc |
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| 23:58.33 | Dark_Shikari | ugh. inconsolata is ridiculously bold |
| 23:58.39 | Dark_Shikari | it's like every single letter's width was doubled |
| 23:58.43 | Dark_Shikari | er, not width, thickness. |
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| 23:59.10 | x`_ | compared to courier new, sure. :) |
| 23:59.17 | Dark_Shikari | compared to times new roman, compared to consolas |
| 23:59.20 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: I acutally also run the proxy module and use that to connect to (via an ssh tunnel) when I'm on gprs and lag over ssh is too annoying to deal with while typing |
| 23:59.20 | Dark_Shikari | compared to helvetica |
| 23:59.26 | WinterMute | uses lucidia sans unicode for coding |
| 23:59.45 | WinterMute | lucida, even |
| 23:59.45 | Catfish_Man | Dark_Shikari: hm, it may just be that it's designed for a different AA. For me the main issue is that it's unusually tiny |
| 23:59.54 | Catfish_Man | 14pt Inconsolata ~= 10pt Monaco |
| 23:59.55 | kblin | wonders if font wars are the new editor wars :) |
